I am looking for a standing desk that goes low enough where you can sit on the floor. I've seen some options, I recommend you review these products. Would be great content to watch since all these products are new and no one has reviewed them before. There is two that I have found.
@@WolfOfJustice i've seen Uppeal & Lillipad. Both are overpriced. I have also seen someone make one themselves and I am trying to get in contact with them.
Hey BTOD TV, I love your unbiased chair and desk comparisons. Any chance you could compare one of the premium Deskhaus options like anything based on their Apex or Apex Pro frame (e.g. Grand Haven or Grand Rapids)? Those seem to use better quality components than any of these, while being in the same ballpark price range.
If you want a top end desk from a component standpoint, you need to get their Vertex base. Their Apex is just 4 JieCang legs tied together. They are not high end components. The wood tops are good quality though. The truth is that we would have a tough time recommending their brand when you can get virtually the same 4 leg desk from Uplift. When you start comparing a one man operation like DeskHaus to a $100m+ company like Uplift, it is tough to justify going with the one man operation from a customer service and warrant standpoint unless the price savings is just too much to ignore. -Ryan
@@btodtv Thank you so much for the incredibly insightful comment, Ryan! I guess I fell for their kick/shove-test marketing a little, so thank you for saving me from an expensive mistake! I always suspected there were shared components between the Apex Pro Max and the Uplift 4-leg V2-Commercial due to visual similarities, and I guess this confirms that. And given the $3.1k price on the Grand Rapids, I shall look elsewhere. If I may ask a slightly tangential question: Would you say that the Uplift 4-leg V2-Commercial is the most (or one of the most) stable options available? Stability is probably the most important aspect for me since it'll be used with a 49" ultrawide on an Ergotron arm and standard 2-leg Uplift V2s shake a bit too much for my liking. (I've not tried the 2-leg V2-commercial, or any of the 4-leg offerings, though. But intuitively, I'd assume that a 4-leg desk, as long as they are connected at the foot/base, is more stable.)
We don't have any of these options available in the UK, although there are some rather nice European built desks on the market. The ones built in Sweden are very pricy, but the quality is impeccable. I have a fairly mid market standing desk atm, the electronics are made in Austria and the desk is built in Poland. It was so difficult to find something decent that wasn't manufactured in China. I considered IKEA desks and also the one from Secretcrap, but decided against it once I realised that the warranty was poor and the quality is obviously garbage.
What sort of ones have you been able to find in Europe? I’m after solid wood and have been struggling to find one that ships to the UK and have enough reviews to demonstrate legitimacy
@@RD-uq4hg By solid wood, I assume you mean natural and non-engineered wood? In the UK, I came across a few decent companies with a good reputation. Have a look at Ergodesks (Scottish company) and see if they have a desk that suits you. I also recommend Yo-Yo desk and Friskadesk, these companies sell premium standing desks that are made in Sweden; if you have a high budget, this would be a great choice. There's also Fully, which you can buy via Herman Miller UK or directly from their website; although the electronics are made in China. If you can't find one that comes with the wood you're after, you might need to buy a desk frame only and then get the desk top from another company.
Hello, I am wondering your opinion about less staged desk legs. In this video, all your testings are 3 staged (or some say dual staged) desks. Which I think the more moving parts, more possible (tiny) gaps comes inside of the legs. Although there is more overlap at 3 staged desk legs but I think the inevitable gaps are more critical with the stability. Of course there are some trade offs like the height range between dual and singe stage desks, but I wonder, if the limited hight range is okay with my height after all, do you recommend the single (aka 2 staged) desk for more/better stability? Thank you.
It comes down to a fit issues, more than just the fact they have an additional stage. But of course, when you add more moving parts, it does increase the chances for wiggle in the frame, which is exaggerated as the desk is fully extended -GK
That’s alot of money for a desk though, I feel like $1000 and above is “more than premium” lineup. Ikea has motorised stand up desks and you can choose the top yourself 😂 Good video though
$1000 definitely doesn't go as far today, as it is did just a year or so ago. But the difference between low end, mid range and premium can be significant. $1000 standing desks are mid range, and most of those are imported products from Vietnam and China. While they've made improvements over the last 5-7 years, they are mostly trying to copy the premium brands, and IMO leaves them behind the curve. If you're serious about getting a pretty good standing desk though, I would avoid the $300 options on Amazon and at least look into the mid range :) -GK
IKEA desks are made in China, no thanks. I was fortunate enough to get a decent standing desk in the UK, for under £600, that came with free delivery and professional assembly. The electronics are made in Austria and the rest of the desk is manufactured in Poland. It's got a 10 year warranty on the entire desk, has 3 different height presets, anti-collision detection and the ability to lock the height.
Is there really $6000 worth of value over something like the Fully Jarvis? - which is what I have and I can't imagine any desk feeling much more solid than it.
It depends on what you value. But yes, I believe there is. Not everyone wants/needs the best of the best, which is why there are entry level and mid range products across every industry -GK
For thousands of dollars you should have furniture grade products, not a cheap flat piece of wood sitting on top of a frame with some motors. In my office I have a beautiful cherry desk that's carved with claw feet, multiple drawers, leather top etc, that's what I expect when I spend thousands of dollars.
@@venom5809 I agree, although it does cause issues when you want to stand and work imo. Granted you could just take regular breaks like people used to in the good old days, but for certain jobs in the wfh space, it's pretty difficult to make consistent time for that. The NH desk is definitely a luxury and only truly useful for those who can afford it and get the most out of it.
@@WolfOfJustice My neighbor just spent a ton of money on a motorized desk a few months ago, I can guarantee you that after the first week it's never moved since and they are people that do marathons and he's an Olympic doctor etc. I go over there all the time and the desk is always at the same height. Also I know how much wood costs, even now. Another neighbor is a retired engineer and he has an entire wood shop in his basement and does projects for friends etc and I had to help him go buy wood to build a massive bookshelf that was probably 12 feet wide with cabinets on the bottom, a lot of wood and even with the crazy prices all that wood was about $500. A bookshelf with cabinets 12 feet wide and 8 feet tall, $500 in wood, retail price, so they are just ripping you off on these desks with a smattering of wood on top. Like you said, just get up and move around. LOL
Great content as usual. It seems that almost every standing chair wobbles a bit at highest point. Hard to avoid physics :-) May I kindly ask to comment on "European" (actually Chinese) company and Thier frame Maidesite T2 Pro Plus? Their marketing and feedback on Amazon is pretty solid. And second question, would 60cm depth be enough? Thank you in advance for your answers!
I would stick to the top picks at the $300 price range in this video ua-cam.com/video/YmvMd9t-K1w/v-deo.html. Or move up into the mid range, around the $1000 mark -GK
@@btodtv Thank you for your reply! I may be asking too much, I've watched almost all videos, but I couldn't really figure out what is the difference for frames? I mean if it has dual motors, legs looks sturdy, what things should I lookout for if warranty is not really an issue? I aiming towards combo with Karlby top from IKEA and a frame. Considered IKEA Asus uppspel frame but that Maidesite one looks really compelling. And brand difference availability in US Vs Europe is pretty big :-(
"Why this desk is $x,xxx" would be a great title because that's exactly what everyone is thinking when they see that price! MrBeast "hook, then over deliver". Saying "I bought 5 premium standing desks for $18,000" or the previous title "The 5 most premium desks I've reviewed" comes off as proud, showy & out of touch with public perception of desk prices. You can cover your valuable experience in the video; the mere fact that you are making a $4k desk video is enough of a hook for the title! And sorry, being defensive to comments doesn't help: most critical comments are from fans, and every real comment boosts your video in UA-cam.
They are a chair and furniture company, this is what they do for a living, $18,000 is a percentage of their inventory. LOL. I have a friend that dropped $50,000 on a chandelier, that's showy.
They are featured on the best under $1000, which is for mid-range desks. Their imported JieCang frame from China and imported wood tops aren’t what we’d consider premium for the the category -GK
I feel like my intro covered it. They are not considered to be premium with a frame from JieCang. Definitely a top pick in the mid range, which I've included in the video "Best Under $1000" ua-cam.com/video/XMcuj4GTA_c/v-deo.html -GK
The answer is buy none of them because they make it so cost prohibitive to return them it's not worth it or prudent to buy them. Also definitely don't buy Herman Miller, if you know you know, bullies.
@@btodtv They better, they pissed off a lot of people with that crap they did. Like I said in his video I think it was one person or a small group of people that decided to target him. I am in Michigan and like I said in his video my buddy is one of the biggest guys in this state, owns just about every kind of business there is and even builds buildings for Fortune 500 companies, and one of his companies carries furniture, lighting etc to outfit commercial buildings and one of his lines is MillerKnoll and next time we get together I will ask him who I can speak to about that. I just bought a 25,000 sq.ft plaza and going to be remodeling it and putting new tenants in and that's a lot of furniture there that can go to someone other than Herman Miller. Hell the guys next-door to my plaza plan to add on to their massive building which has hundreds of chairs for their members and build two $5 million training centers, one here and one out of town so that's hundreds of chairs and tables just from them alone that I would be happy to recommend they not buy from Herman Miller. I don't like unethical behavior and bullying a small guy trying to survive, the copyright strike he should sue them for, that's a nuclear move that can kill a channel and they know that. How are you making billions in revenue a year and have time to harass a small UA-cam channel?
@@btodtv That's absolutely pathetic of them. You guys are literally the reason I bought HM chairs, because your reviews are always informative and truthful. With Ahnestly, according to some peeps on Reddit and in community feed, it's because of his Eames videos apparently. However, I can't think of a reason why HM would target you too. I really hope they're not that petty about you guys reviewing, preferring and recommending Steelcase and Haworth chairs lol.
No one in the world ever thought to themselves "how can I pay a higher premium for stuff?" I bought a standing desk with program buttons for $160 equivalent and it's changed my life.
So by your logic, anyone who spends more money on things is just wasting extra money for nothing? It's certainly not because one may care about quality, reliability, features, and etc... If cheap stuff was so much better, then why it does it break so quickly?
It's great you found a standing desk you like for that price, but imo it's also important to consider longevity. I recently upgraded my entire office setup, including the desk and chair. I had already changed my chair 4 times and desk twice in the last decade, so rather than waste money on another budget option, I treated myself to something better. It changed my life too and I won't need to worry about things breaking down.
Watch Next: I Picked The Best Standing Desk at EVERY Price ua-cam.com/video/tuWw8L2tIBA/v-deo.html
I've never seen standing desk with a cross bar support before and I can't believe we don't get options like that in the European market.
What I would like to see when testing desk stability is how stable the desktop mount is for T and C frames when e.g. leaning on it.
The link for the New Heights S series gives a page not found. Just a heads up. Great video by the way.
Thank you! Fixed :) -GK
I am looking for a standing desk that goes low enough where you can sit on the floor. I've seen some options, I recommend you review these products. Would be great content to watch since all these products are new and no one has reviewed them before. There is two that I have found.
That's fascinating lol, I've never seen a standing desk that can go that low. What companies sell those types of desks?
@@WolfOfJustice i've seen Uppeal & Lillipad. Both are overpriced. I have also seen someone make one themselves and I am trying to get in contact with them.
Hey BTOD TV, I love your unbiased chair and desk comparisons. Any chance you could compare one of the premium Deskhaus options like anything based on their Apex or Apex Pro frame (e.g. Grand Haven or Grand Rapids)? Those seem to use better quality components than any of these, while being in the same ballpark price range.
If you want a top end desk from a component standpoint, you need to get their Vertex base. Their Apex is just 4 JieCang legs tied together. They are not high end components. The wood tops are good quality though. The truth is that we would have a tough time recommending their brand when you can get virtually the same 4 leg desk from Uplift. When you start comparing a one man operation like DeskHaus to a $100m+ company like Uplift, it is tough to justify going with the one man operation from a customer service and warrant standpoint unless the price savings is just too much to ignore. -Ryan
@@btodtv Thank you so much for the incredibly insightful comment, Ryan! I guess I fell for their kick/shove-test marketing a little, so thank you for saving me from an expensive mistake!
I always suspected there were shared components between the Apex Pro Max and the Uplift 4-leg V2-Commercial due to visual similarities, and I guess this confirms that. And given the $3.1k price on the Grand Rapids, I shall look elsewhere.
If I may ask a slightly tangential question: Would you say that the Uplift 4-leg V2-Commercial is the most (or one of the most) stable options available? Stability is probably the most important aspect for me since it'll be used with a 49" ultrawide on an Ergotron arm and standard 2-leg Uplift V2s shake a bit too much for my liking.
(I've not tried the 2-leg V2-commercial, or any of the 4-leg offerings, though. But intuitively, I'd assume that a 4-leg desk, as long as they are connected at the foot/base, is more stable.)
We don't have any of these options available in the UK, although there are some rather nice European built desks on the market. The ones built in Sweden are very pricy, but the quality is impeccable.
I have a fairly mid market standing desk atm, the electronics are made in Austria and the desk is built in Poland. It was so difficult to find something decent that wasn't manufactured in China.
I considered IKEA desks and also the one from Secretcrap, but decided against it once I realised that the warranty was poor and the quality is obviously garbage.
What sort of ones have you been able to find in Europe? I’m after solid wood and have been struggling to find one that ships to the UK and have enough reviews to demonstrate legitimacy
@@RD-uq4hg By solid wood, I assume you mean natural and non-engineered wood?
In the UK, I came across a few decent companies with a good reputation.
Have a look at Ergodesks (Scottish company) and see if they have a desk that suits you.
I also recommend Yo-Yo desk and Friskadesk, these companies sell premium standing desks that are made in Sweden; if you have a high budget, this would be a great choice.
There's also Fully, which you can buy via Herman Miller UK or directly from their website; although the electronics are made in China.
If you can't find one that comes with the wood you're after, you might need to buy a desk frame only and then get the desk top from another company.
Just ordered my 'Secretcrap' one yesterday. What steered you away from that so hard?
Hello, I am wondering your opinion about less staged desk legs. In this video, all your testings are 3 staged (or some say dual staged) desks. Which I think the more moving parts, more possible (tiny) gaps comes inside of the legs. Although there is more overlap at 3 staged desk legs but I think the inevitable gaps are more critical with the stability. Of course there are some trade offs like the height range between dual and singe stage desks, but I wonder, if the limited hight range is okay with my height after all, do you recommend the single (aka 2 staged) desk for more/better stability? Thank you.
It comes down to a fit issues, more than just the fact they have an additional stage. But of course, when you add more moving parts, it does increase the chances for wiggle in the frame, which is exaggerated as the desk is fully extended -GK
Have you ever reviewed any of the desk from theStandingDesk? The Kloud or the Nimbus?
That’s alot of money for a desk though, I feel like $1000 and above is “more than premium” lineup. Ikea has motorised stand up desks and you can choose the top yourself 😂 Good video though
$1000 definitely doesn't go as far today, as it is did just a year or so ago. But the difference between low end, mid range and premium can be significant. $1000 standing desks are mid range, and most of those are imported products from Vietnam and China. While they've made improvements over the last 5-7 years, they are mostly trying to copy the premium brands, and IMO leaves them behind the curve. If you're serious about getting a pretty good standing desk though, I would avoid the $300 options on Amazon and at least look into the mid range :) -GK
IKEA desks are made in China, no thanks.
I was fortunate enough to get a decent standing desk in the UK, for under £600, that came with free delivery and professional assembly.
The electronics are made in Austria and the rest of the desk is manufactured in Poland.
It's got a 10 year warranty on the entire desk, has 3 different height presets, anti-collision detection and the ability to lock the height.
Yay 4AM BTOD video!
:) -GK
What is your opinion on the Steelcase Migration SE? It seems very similar to the Ology but is cheaper, do you know what is the difference?
Is there really $6000 worth of value over something like the Fully Jarvis? - which is what I have and I can't imagine any desk feeling much more solid than it.
It depends on what you value. But yes, I believe there is. Not everyone wants/needs the best of the best, which is why there are entry level and mid range products across every industry -GK
For most ppl I highly doubt they'll need something expensive like that, but from what I've seen in this video, the NH desk is truly phenomenal.
For thousands of dollars you should have furniture grade products, not a cheap flat piece of wood sitting on top of a frame with some motors. In my office I have a beautiful cherry desk that's carved with claw feet, multiple drawers, leather top etc, that's what I expect when I spend thousands of dollars.
@@venom5809 I agree, although it does cause issues when you want to stand and work imo. Granted you could just take regular breaks like people used to in the good old days, but for certain jobs in the wfh space, it's pretty difficult to make consistent time for that. The NH desk is definitely a luxury and only truly useful for those who can afford it and get the most out of it.
@@WolfOfJustice My neighbor just spent a ton of money on a motorized desk a few months ago, I can guarantee you that after the first week it's never moved since and they are people that do marathons and he's an Olympic doctor etc. I go over there all the time and the desk is always at the same height. Also I know how much wood costs, even now. Another neighbor is a retired engineer and he has an entire wood shop in his basement and does projects for friends etc and I had to help him go buy wood to build a massive bookshelf that was probably 12 feet wide with cabinets on the bottom, a lot of wood and even with the crazy prices all that wood was about $500. A bookshelf with cabinets 12 feet wide and 8 feet tall, $500 in wood, retail price, so they are just ripping you off on these desks with a smattering of wood on top. Like you said, just get up and move around. LOL
The link to new heights S series website blocks me from entering. Maybe it’s an ips problem. Can you please fix it
Sorry! We have to block certain countries due to higher risk of bad actors unfortunately. Where are you located? -Greg
Great content as usual. It seems that almost every standing chair wobbles a bit at highest point. Hard to avoid physics :-)
May I kindly ask to comment on "European" (actually Chinese) company and Thier frame Maidesite T2 Pro Plus? Their marketing and feedback on Amazon is pretty solid.
And second question, would 60cm depth be enough? Thank you in advance for your answers!
I would stick to the top picks at the $300 price range in this video ua-cam.com/video/YmvMd9t-K1w/v-deo.html.
Or move up into the mid range, around the $1000 mark -GK
@@btodtv Thank you for your reply! I may be asking too much, I've watched almost all videos, but I couldn't really figure out what is the difference for frames? I mean if it has dual motors, legs looks sturdy, what things should I lookout for if warranty is not really an issue?
I aiming towards combo with Karlby top from IKEA and a frame. Considered IKEA Asus uppspel frame but that Maidesite one looks really compelling. And brand difference availability in US Vs Europe is pretty big :-(
I'll stick with UpLift
Can you review oddinlake 633 ergo pro
"Why this desk is $x,xxx" would be a great title because that's exactly what everyone is thinking when they see that price!
MrBeast "hook, then over deliver".
Saying "I bought 5 premium standing desks for $18,000" or the previous title "The 5 most premium desks I've reviewed" comes off as proud, showy & out of touch with public perception of desk prices. You can cover your valuable experience in the video; the mere fact that you are making a $4k desk video is enough of a hook for the title! And sorry, being defensive to comments doesn't help: most critical comments are from fans, and every real comment boosts your video in UA-cam.
They are a chair and furniture company, this is what they do for a living, $18,000 is a percentage of their inventory. LOL. I have a friend that dropped $50,000 on a chandelier, that's showy.
I feel like uplift should be on this list
They are featured on the best under $1000, which is for mid-range desks. Their imported JieCang frame from China and imported wood tops aren’t what we’d consider premium for the the category -GK
Uplift didn't make the list? Interesting.
I feel like my intro covered it. They are not considered to be premium with a frame from JieCang. Definitely a top pick in the mid range, which I've included in the video "Best Under $1000" ua-cam.com/video/XMcuj4GTA_c/v-deo.html -GK
500$ delivery? are this people serious?
These are large items. Bringing items into home or office, plus assembly is not cheap! -GK
The answer is buy none of them because they make it so cost prohibitive to return them it's not worth it or prudent to buy them. Also definitely don't buy Herman Miller, if you know you know, bullies.
S Series is free returns for 365 days. Looks like HM is working it out with Ahnestly, for now -GK
@@btodtv They better, they pissed off a lot of people with that crap they did. Like I said in his video I think it was one person or a small group of people that decided to target him. I am in Michigan and like I said in his video my buddy is one of the biggest guys in this state, owns just about every kind of business there is and even builds buildings for Fortune 500 companies, and one of his companies carries furniture, lighting etc to outfit commercial buildings and one of his lines is MillerKnoll and next time we get together I will ask him who I can speak to about that. I just bought a 25,000 sq.ft plaza and going to be remodeling it and putting new tenants in and that's a lot of furniture there that can go to someone other than Herman Miller. Hell the guys next-door to my plaza plan to add on to their massive building which has hundreds of chairs for their members and build two $5 million training centers, one here and one out of town so that's hundreds of chairs and tables just from them alone that I would be happy to recommend they not buy from Herman Miller. I don't like unethical behavior and bullying a small guy trying to survive, the copyright strike he should sue them for, that's a nuclear move that can kill a channel and they know that. How are you making billions in revenue a year and have time to harass a small UA-cam channel?
They pulled our affiliate program as well -GK
Woah, wtf happened to Ahnestly???
@@btodtv That's absolutely pathetic of them.
You guys are literally the reason I bought HM chairs, because your reviews are always informative and truthful.
With Ahnestly, according to some peeps on Reddit and in community feed, it's because of his Eames videos apparently.
However, I can't think of a reason why HM would target you too.
I really hope they're not that petty about you guys reviewing, preferring and recommending Steelcase and Haworth chairs lol.
No one in the world ever thought to themselves "how can I pay a higher premium for stuff?"
I bought a standing desk with program buttons for $160 equivalent and it's changed my life.
So by your logic, anyone who spends more money on things is just wasting extra money for nothing?
It's certainly not because one may care about quality, reliability, features, and etc...
If cheap stuff was so much better, then why it does it break so quickly?
It's great you found a standing desk you like for that price, but imo it's also important to consider longevity. I recently upgraded my entire office setup, including the desk and chair. I had already changed my chair 4 times and desk twice in the last decade, so rather than waste money on another budget option, I treated myself to something better. It changed my life too and I won't need to worry about things breaking down.
@@WolfOfJustice How much was your desk?
@@artofverity8791 Around £700.