I always hate it when people call this Jason "weak." Comic book Jason was beaten and blown up over a couple of hours. Arkham Jason was mentally, physically, and, if you read deeper into the lore, *sexually* tortured for over a *year* by the *Joker* of all people. The fact that he didn't start to crack until six months went by is a testament to his fortitude.
@@FallenOne669 I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s weak. But his motives, personality, and overall plot is just a poorly done version of Red Hood imo. Yes, comic Jason was also fucked up, I’m not saying he wasn’t. But my thing is that the AK specifically shouldn’t have been a thing, and or it at least shouldn’t have been Jason behind the mask.
@@McDayWalker02 It should have been Anarky we met in Origins. - He is young enough to learn the needed physical skills and might to rival Batman and potentially surpass him. - He has some leadership experience in Origins and a decade to improve. - He has a grudge against Batman for stopping his plans and a reason to tear Gotham away from Batman´s influence. He can criticise every bad thing that has happened under his watch and use it to justify the invasion. - He is a very clever individual, and he would have a decade to improve his mental aptitude. - He has been away for a very long time, so Batman wouldn´t expect him easily.
@@Wooshey_Woojjust like the graphic novel they needed to play on the predictability that’s what made Under the Hood so special. Bruce had a gut feeling from his first encounter with Red Hood that it was Jason but it was in denial until the evidence was damning. It wasn’t a twist or a shock it was just so chilling having to entertain the thought of his protege has become crime boss and murderer, everything Bruce has fight against. That’s what made the story brilliant until the shit ending that the animated movie fixed.
@@EyeofKoruption there just aren’t enough characters who would hate Batman enough to become an evil version of him. Using a character they invent to be under the mask wouldn’t be as compelling. So of course we knew who it was all along.
Always found it incredibly hypocritical of Batman to tell Jason not to let a full year of torture by Joker define him, when Batman let some guy who shot his parents define HIM for the rest of his life.
He didn’t mean it in a hypocritical way, but rather defining his principals and morals. Jason started killing people, and let vengeance cloud his judgement to the point where he didn’t mind sacrificing the lives of others to get revenge on Batman(I mean, he wouldn’t let anything happen to Oracle or Jim, and prevented his militia from torturing them, but anyone he didn’t know personally didn’t have that same protection). Batman became a symbol of hope for the innocent and a symbol of fear for criminals. Batman could’ve easily hunted down every criminal, Joe Chill included, and murdered them, but he keeps his moral compass
Not hypocritical in the least bit, he trains his robins so that he does not become like him. His entire mission is not to have someone else go through what he goes through, forever in that alley with his dead parents. That is also why he does not take a life
Its not hypocritical. Jason was beaten, humiliated, tortured and broken by the joker for an entire year!! . Batman was trying to tell him it was just 1 year out of his entire life and that 1 year doesn't need to be what defines him as he is now. Hes broken to the point he's literally killing people for "justice" which is what batman never taught him to do. Batmans parents died and to honor them he decided he would take on being a vigilante but he wouldn't kill.
Batman knows. Part of the reason that he recruited each of the first two Robins (Dick and Jason) is that identified with what he saw on them. In both cases, Batman wanted to give a person who did not have the same luxuries that he did the chance to work through their stuff and not become the same sort of person he is. Batman vs Dick Grayson as his greatest success in part due to the differences and more optimistic nature in which Dick views the world when compared to how Batman views the world.
Alfred has lived on this earth for so long, he knows nothing is ever as it seems. He wasn’t shocked to hear that Jason was alive, all he cared that he was alright.
People disliked the fact that the Arkham Knight’s identity was so obvious, but I liked that it was Jason, I just wish there was more hints to his return, or at least mention of him back in Arkham City, so that we didn’t get a whole dump of Jason Todd lore at Panessa Studios to where it became so obvious who the Arkham Knight was. I mean, the precious games only mentioned Nightwing and Tim (with a short little line, subtle from Joker about “killing”Jason in City), so as soon as we were suddenly introduced to Jason through Bruce’s Jonkler visions, it was like “oh, that’s who the Knight is”. The scene was still sad though. Jason suffering mental and emotional damage from being tortured is much more brutal than him straight up getting killed imo
The thing is that if people who played the Batman series weren’t all die hard fans of the character since childhood and at some point throughout their lives didn’t know about the Jason storyline it would’ve been and is a great plot twist and always had been wanted by fans in the first place, people who complained were just pseudo nut cases who obsess over source material that isn’t theirs.
@@nickmccurdie1214 even if you aren’t a comic fan this story still has a ton of problems and plot holes. It’s not ALL about the source material, but yeah, in that regard they ruined Jason and Batman imo. Also, that doesn’t make us “nut cases”, it means we want our characters to be properly portrayed and represented, which nobody was in this story.
I like the way Batman calls him Robin when telling him to stand down. It's a nice way to subtly reinforce that he didn't abandon him and that they really were and are partners. Another thing I like is how batman knew that Jason would track him when he gave himself up to Scarecrow. He knew Jason would know that he would've done the same for him, and that they wouldn't let it happen to anyone else.
@@Neobr41 Yea he didn't just beat him with a crowbar like he normally does in the comics he flat out did every disturbing thing you can't even imagined
@@Youngboy_SL and not just the Joker. In a comic book that tells what happened (it's official), the villains who were prisoners in the asylum helped the Joker beat Jason, like Crocodile, Two-Face, Bane, and even prisoners dressed up as Batman beat him to make Jason hate Bruce indirectly, Batman sent the villains to the asylum just so they could torture Jason and escape
People can shit on Arkham Knight all they want, I'm just glad that Kevin got to do a story angle that is very important to Batman Comics lore in some way - 'A Death in the Family'. Eventhough Bruce Greenwood was good in under the Red Hood, that was Kevin's part.
It's extra sad that Alfred asks if Jason is okay and he flat out says " No, He's Isn't" since Jason is totally broken by what Bruce and joker did to him
That game could've been absolutely goated. Batman retiring and seeing the jla compromised?? Bro stepping in to help the S.S save the day and then he's out of retirement for a new ark game? peak. They could've branched out alot from ktjl
@@afkmh2392 *Yes, I'm sure Batman wanted to just let him run off again when he just spent the past 30 mins trying to get a hold of him and when he definitely needs help to rehab.*
I think it's to show Jason he has an option to leave if he wants to, he's trying to show that Jason isn't what the Joker made him into but that he doesn't have to be what Bruce made him either
Jason in this game would have been better if he was Red Hood to begin with, have Batman figuring out who Red Hood is, to keep the mystery plot while the audience already will know of course, like watching the under the red hood movie
Honestly, I would keep him at Akrham Knight... because, cmon. It's literally on a name. But abandoned the whole mystery and let his identity be revealed early on, and focused more on how Bruce reacts on this. Because let's face it: even people that didn't know Jason *existed* before had realised he was Akrham Knight because of how the game suddenly introduced him through flashbacks despite never being mentioned in the last 2 games before.
@@patkub3214 but one of the biggest issues was that Arkham Knight was advertised as a Rocksteady original character and it was just Red Hood with a different look and name
Bruce: No! God Almighty, no. It'd be too damned easy. All I've ever wanted to do is kill him. A day doesn't go by that I don't think about subjecting him to every horrendous torture he's dealt out to others, and then and him. Joker: Aww, so you *do* think about me... Bruce: But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place... I'll never come back.
Arkham Fans:“You did this to us!” Rocksteady: “I'm sorry.” Arkham Fans: “You left us with 2 seasons of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League for over a year!” Rocksteady: “It's not too late. We can fix this...together.”
Imagine if SSKTJL had a parallel to 0:41. We play as Jason and beat Bruce, then like in Winter Soldier with Bucky and Steve on the helicarrier, Bruce picks up on the gesture and wording and comes back.
Isn't it weird that Jason made a name for himself only when he became Red Hood and not when he was Robin? Like, nobody cared about him when he was Robin. Then again you can say the same thing for Nightwing, but I don't know if that applies for him tho.
Jason is truly unqiue Robin. - A streets rat - Shortest time as Robin - Only Robin who didn't have his own team as robin - Only Robin who was constanly compared to his predecessor on Regular basics - Only Robin to be hated for taking mantle from his predecessor (debatable)
I think the story would've been better if Bruce found several clues hinting that the AK was Jason, and would've known it was him after piecing it together himself instead of just the Joker memories and having this awful reveal.
@@miktmikleson4891 i knew when jason showed up at ace chemicals and called batman "oldman" And i only really recall jason or grayson naming bruce something like that So i figured it was jason todd then
Maybe, but for the player perspective it could’ve been odd because majority of players who are familiar with comics will instantly know this is Jason as AK
Love Batman but seriously he has to admit Joker did win Red Hood Jason Todd 2nd Robin did kill a lot of people after Joker's reforming Robin program was a success
That would only be applicable in the Arkham verse, but not much of a win since Joker didn't live to see it. Not to mention in the main continuity it's only a win for Joker if he can get Batman to kill.
Fans were told that this was going to be a new villain for the game. I personally was disappointed that it ended up not being one. It would have been fine if they never said anything, but I was excited to see what they were going to do and how it would turn out. It's still a great game, but it was just a let down with what they did.
Well I got to give Rocksteady credit for creating a brand new origin for the Red Hood. Honestly "and this is just my personal opinion" this origin story is a lot better than the original....No Lazarus pit, no taking over criminal organizations, no trying to get Batman to break his moral code, and in the end it just shows that Batman never really gave up on him like Jason was convinced that he did, and as a result Jason Todd went from the murderous Arkham Knight that became a militia leader working with criminals, to a semi reformed Red Hood that ended up forgiving Batman and going after criminals instead. Granted he still kills, but he does it to people who really deserve it. The Black Mask is a good example of that. 👍
@@tytyq321 Wouldnt he still try to find his corpse? Just look at how he always seems to find missing people or suspects in the game through detective vision and what not, but finding Jason was too hard?
@@tytyq321 so much for world's greatest detective.. believing a video sent by Joker rather than doing some detective work himself... He should have kept looking until he found the body or something.
B: "Jason..." R.H: "Jason is gone... I am what remains!" B: "...I'm sorry... I'm sorry Jason... For all of it." J: "...I am not your failure, Bruce. You didn't kill Jason Todd..." R.H: "I DID!" R.H: "The same way, I will destroy you!" B: "Then my pupil is truly dead... Goodbye...Hood..." R.H: "...Bruce..." R.H: "BRUCE!"
@@McDayWalker02 I only remember there being 2 or 3 tag team fights in the whole game and in my opinion, allowing the player to switch seamlessly between Batman Nightwing, Robin or catwoman during each fight ,all with different animations and takedowns, felt pretty satisfying. Plus the takedown animations when you finally beat the bosses r epic Batman legit RKO’S killer Croc lol. By no means are they the best boss fights in the series but there r far from the worst.
I never like when Batman's belt is translated into 3D as a stark yellow. Looks so goofy and out of place for a character being "one with the shadows" and stuff. (Adam West is the exception tho)
@@thiagofoliveira yeah, it’s a Reshade. But I don’t remember which one unfortunately. People don’t usually ask about that so I don’t think to put it in the description.
I think the idea of a character like the arkham knight was cool and the design was done very well. Especially as batman was confronting him and it came to look more like the red hood outfit. I think it's actually a great idea to have him become the red hood as he tries to become his own hero instead of him just showing up as the red hood I just never liked the name "arkham knight" for a character who has little or nothing to do with arkham. The explanation of him being held in arkham wasn't enough imo to justify it. I feel like they should have called him prometheous or given him the name of some other c lister from the comics.
I wish made Batman beyond where the Arkham Knight timeline left off When Terry found the batcave a Ai of Bruce/Batman came on and teach Terry how to be the Batman Oh and Jason is Joker Clone host like in Batman Beyond Joker returns movie Yeah I pay good money for that instead the Gotham Knights and suicide squad kills the justice league Yeah now that be WAYYYY BETTER then those games
@@benjaminkitchen6257 Why not just do it like in the movie?? Even though it didnt make sense but Todd would make sense. But also, why no old man Bruce?
This story ended up flopping for me. Red mask is the solution to beating batman, but he never ends up really beating him. even though we're told multiple times throughout the game that Jason knows all the ways to beating the batman, but he's beaten, quite easily. Compare it to the Deathstroke boss fight in origins, deathstroke countered your moves, and caught the batman off guard. Jason just sits on a gargoyle and waves his gun around. Not fun And the joker slowly possesses Bruce, all though, I would like for this to happen in similarly, I don't think the solution would be to...dose him with more fear toxin. Bruce didn't overcome anything here. Bruce's fear was that he would lose control and become the joker, and not protecting the ones he love, and uh..taking a life. How I think the story should've gone. We fight the Arkham Knight, we lose. We are drag to Arkham asylum. We have our face revealed. We dose with fear toxin. We officially become the joker. The joker/batman escapes and kills scarecrow in a fit of laughter. Symbolising we just killed the batman because Bruce broke his one rule. We can either play joker/batman or Arkham Knight. If we play as the batman, we beat the Arkham Knight, ((because he can't predict the jokers moveset and is able to use cheap tricks)), and when Jason face is revealed, Bruce overcomes with emotion, realizing that Jason is still alive, and that he didnt fail, but he realizes what's he done. And turns himself in. Or have you play as the Arkham Knight, you see what Bruce did, and seeing him laughing. Realizing what he just done. You go into Arkham to stop Bruce, and as you walk through the asylum. The victims of joker is around the halls, and once you finally catch up. There is no redeeming Bruce, and when you go to fight him. It's a solid duel, but the Arkham Knight takes off his mask, revealing to Bruce that he was still alive. The joker laughs at the irony, and at this point, Jason has his revenge. He beats the joker for all the abuse he had given him and Bruce for putting him in the position. And just when he's about to kill him. He doesn't, as he hears the whispers of Bruce saying he was sorry, and something
Secret Invasion Huh? Yea I heard it was an Interesting Story where People get replaced with Shape shifting Aliens Its probably gonna full of Suspense and Paranoia
@ true, but I hate that design, and the transition from the AK to Red Hood in the game is not only stupid, but lacks any actual character development compared to the comics. It’s just so much weaker compared to UTRH or the comics.
@@McDayWalker02 I love the design but I feel like I'm the only one 😭I'm probably biased because this was my introduction to his character so its got that nostalgia factor
@@kobaye2111 yes, absolutely. The Arkham Knight is literally a horribly written and voice acted version of Red Hood. The fact that it’s comic accurate alone makes it better for me. Thought the story itself is still dogshit.
@@McDayWalker02 Maybe because you think that Arkham Knight = Red Hood when that's not the case The story AND the character is different. Instead of blinding yourself with the original story of Red Hood, open your mind and understand that is another story with a new identity for Jason Todd BEFORE Red Hood because having the original Red Hood suit right away is dumb for a simple reason = Joker is dead. It doesn't make it better, it makes it more stupid because why would Jason take the name of Red Hood right away if the Joker died and can't have his revenge like in his original story ? It doesn't make any sense. Understand that AK is another story, another Batman than the comics. Open your mind and you'll see that the game isn't bad AT ALL. The story is good, not bad, not necessarily great but good. Instead of purely hating and yet apparently keep coming to the game, try to enjoy this gem because this game is way better than most games on the market today.
@@kobaye2111 it has redeeming qualities, but this is easily the worst Arkham game in the series. Besides Suicide Squad. And even while ignoring what the comics did with Jason, I can point out a plethora of stupid plot points Rocksteady themselves wrote. The story is still garbage whether you know the comics or not. Most people just don’t think about what their stories like that cause it’s surface level shit. So yeah, I still stand that this mod is far more superior to the bs Rocksteady did.
@@lana.n06 in most iterations Joker was technically the first “Red Hood”. He wore the original costume when he fell into the tank of chemicals that turns him into the Joker. When Jason was first brought back in comics, Talia Al Ghul trained and mentored Jason. She gave him the Red Hood helmet we all know and love as a gift when he came back to Gotham.
@@astro837 aside from Jason and Joker (Originally) no, there’s been no others. I don’t remember that line, which animated movie are you talking about? It can’t be UTRH
@@izmapeek it’s comic accurate, and the Arkham Knight is gone. Jason is Red Hood like he should’ve been from the beginning. Too bad I can’t erase the rest of the shitty plot lol
Look I know it saved you a grip on outfits, but maybe don't call every orphan you find Robin . It fucks with their personal identities and occasionally causes some to become criminally insane .
@@matthewshafer9545 yes, he was, but that doesn’t mean he’s insane. Compared to other batshit crazy Batman characters Jason isn’t that crazy. He only targets criminals, not innocents. The fact that he was tortured doesn’t alone mean he’s crazy, it’s a matter of what he did as a result/coping mechanism from that torture.
@@McDayWalker02Legally speaking, it could be argued that he is. I'm not saying the guy is nuts but if someone went around the way he did in this game after being tortured, a hard case can be made for ptsd among other things. And one of the things professionals look at when evaluating someone is whether they are a threat to themself or others. Normal people don't really lash out on a consistent basis.
Yeah... Nah... A whole lot better than it deserves credit for, and sure-as-SHIT better than that trainwreck of a story in "Arkham City". "Knight" is giving us a deeper look into Batmans fears (primarily the fear of himself), themes like nature, loss, legacy etc. and knows how to ACTUALLY manifests all this in an interactive way. The story is great.
@@reesrodriguez4146 because it’s comic accurate, and best of all the AK is gone. Red Hood is so much better, and these skins are from the UTRH movie. Which did this games plot a million times better.
@@McDayWalker02 like did they play this say "This is a good final boss, a crappy, easy, stealth section where jason whines at you. The players will love that"
I don’t understand why not reusing the concept from the Deathstroke fight in Arkham Origins against Red Hood and make it more impressive. It would’ve made so much more sense, having an actual fight against Red Hood, without cutting all the dialogues in between.
@@KingOfTheTrolls it is, but the AK is gone, which automatically makes it better. It’s comic accurate, Red Hood is so much better than the AK. And the skins convey way more emotion than the Rocksteady versions do. Modders do it better than Rocksteady per usual.
@@JunDageki this scene specifically is fine, but the story as a whole is awful and ruins Jason as a character imo. The AK persona is stupid and I hate their design for Red Hood. This is infinitely better, with RH like he should’ve been from the beginning, and the white eyes from Batman convey way more emotion than the Rocksteady suit (which is ugly asf imo).
@@McDayWalker02facts. It has its moments but the story in Arkham Knight is awful and people need to stop pretending it isn't. Especially since the terrible ending to the game justifies the bench scene in kill the Justice League
Gosh why didn’t he just call him before creating this grand scheme knowing full well he’s Batman and just get counseling then be Robin again since we all know Tim is with Barbara 🙄
I am just gonna say it I hate Batman, all he really does is beat criminals up and sends them to jail where they always escape and kill even more people. Red Hood is right.
You’re forgetting the whole reason why he doesn’t kill his criminals. If Batman kills one person, he won’t stop himself from going on a rampage and he won’t stop with criminals he’ll likely go after people innocent people as well.
@sydryi3086 It would be his instability. Killing changes you. If you can solve a problem like that, it's hard not to wonder where the limit is. Anyone who'd kill on occasion would get out of hand.
The reason for Batman not killing is because he believes in redemption for people and if they are to be killed then the courts decide their fates not Batman
Btw, what exactly is he sorry about? For NOT killing the Joker and avoiding this horrific mess, along with many others?... Or is he sorry that he doesnt have writers with brains or wisdom enough to incorporate lethal force in the same believable and adult manner as other characters in the modern age?
@@whynot1548the writers fucked this story up, but Batman not killing isn’t something they did wrong here. He shouldn’t kill, ever. That’s the entire duality of Bruce and Jason is that Bruce is Batman with restraint and discipline, Jason is not.
He’s sorry for not saving him from Joker. Batman believed he was dead, because that’s what the video from Joker made it seem like. He didn’t do anything “wrong”, but he still feels responsible for the pain Jason endured.
@@RositaDepre the Arkham Knight version of Jason was never killed, so was never resurrected with the Lazarus pit. Joker kept him prisoner in an abandoned wing of Arkham for months, torturing him daily. He escaped by himself, and when he heard Batman had already replaced him with Tim Drake, he began his vendetta against Batman, leading to the events of the game.
Hilarious how the supposed Batman fans online will freely acknowledge Batman's fallacies------but still get triggered by anyone in film or other mediums trying make him grow up a little. As if occasional and surgical use of lethal force is unreasonable
@@whynot1548 it’s not unreasonable all the time, but for Bruce Wayne specifically it absolutely is. He should never kill, under any circumstances. I don’t personally agree with his no kill rule, but it’s the one rule above all that Batman is rooted in. That’s something that should never change.
I don't really know if you actually understand the character of Batman or not. I'm leaning towards the other side based on the fact you're telling a grown man still hindered by watching his mother and father shot in front of him to "grow up". Batman walks the line between Good and Bad. The Light and The Dark. He OFTEN talks about a "darkness" or a "pit" inside of him where he doesn't care anymore. If he fully crosses that line, instead of being the one who carries the weight of walking it, there is no Batman. There is no Bruce Wayne. Which is exactly what Scarecrow understood and tried proving in Arkham Knight. Please pick a different character to analyze because Batman is SOMEHOW too complex for you to grasp 😭😭😭
@@clonecam117thefilthycasual6 Zack Synder actually got the character down and is offshoot of what would happen if Dick died and there was never Jason. Also can you "knowledgeable" batman fans stop pretending like the no kill rule is his fundamental when it's his parents death that's an absolute. The mission of Batman is so that "no child will ever lose their parents to some punk with a gun". That's why there are several versions of Batman that does kill even Pre 52 og Batman is willing to make exceptions to that rule i.e. final crisis which again Zack Synder was basing Batman from.
@@eradicatedpulse6896 way more accurate than the garbage designs of Knight. More specifically it’s based on the UTRH animated movie. Which did this games plot infinitely better.
@@McDayWalker02 That's fair. I would argue that the design of AK was pretty cool, but would have been way better as a separate character. I like that he had a much more militaristic and techy take on Bruce's suits though. It plays into his ego of seeing himself as a new "better" batman.
@Selfish_Neurotic honestly I'd have loved a story line where several "batmen' are vying to prive their methods are better than Bruce's, we could have had arkham Knight as a separate character, azrael etc... kinda like battle for the cowl but with batman still being a thing
I always hate it when people call this Jason "weak." Comic book Jason was beaten and blown up over a couple of hours. Arkham Jason was mentally, physically, and, if you read deeper into the lore, *sexually* tortured for over a *year* by the *Joker* of all people. The fact that he didn't start to crack until six months went by is a testament to his fortitude.
@@FallenOne669 I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s weak. But his motives, personality, and overall plot is just a poorly done version of Red Hood imo. Yes, comic Jason was also fucked up, I’m not saying he wasn’t. But my thing is that the AK specifically shouldn’t have been a thing, and or it at least shouldn’t have been Jason behind the mask.
where did you see he sexually tortured him? I don't remember anything saying or implying it.
@@McDayWalker02 It should have been Anarky we met in Origins.
- He is young enough to learn the needed physical skills and might to rival Batman and potentially surpass him.
- He has some leadership experience in Origins and a decade to improve.
- He has a grudge against Batman for stopping his plans and a reason to tear Gotham away from Batman´s influence. He can criticise every bad thing that has happened under his watch and use it to justify the invasion.
- He is a very clever individual, and he would have a decade to improve his mental aptitude.
- He has been away for a very long time, so Batman wouldn´t expect him easily.
Where are you getting sexual torture from? Genuinely interested to see what implies that.
He gave up hope after the Joker showed him a picture of Batman with Tim Drake as Robin. For 6 months he hoped that Batman would save him.
I like that Alfred assumed at first he thought he misheard Batman and didn’t jump to conclusions
Right
Jason becoming Red Hood will forever be the coolest and saddest plot twist in DC history 😔
But extremely predictable when the game came out. Still effective.
@@Wooshey_Woojjust like the graphic novel they needed to play on the predictability that’s what made Under the Hood so special. Bruce had a gut feeling from his first encounter with Red Hood that it was Jason but it was in denial until the evidence was damning. It wasn’t a twist or a shock it was just so chilling having to entertain the thought of his protege has become crime boss and murderer, everything Bruce has fight against. That’s what made the story brilliant until the shit ending that the animated movie fixed.
It’s a shame people saw it coming.
@@EyeofKoruption there just aren’t enough characters who would hate Batman enough to become an evil version of him. Using a character they invent to be under the mask wouldn’t be as compelling. So of course we knew who it was all along.
It's supposed to be predictable, just like the comic. It takes more time developing the character than just trying to makw a good twist
all the trauma from one simple vote in the 90s
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Ah ha! I wasn't going crazy.😅
First thing I noticed..
I came here just to point that out, yes.
Always found it incredibly hypocritical of Batman to tell Jason not to let a full year of torture by Joker define him, when Batman let some guy who shot his parents define HIM for the rest of his life.
Yeah, but batman stands for GOOD. Jason once was, and he's trying to bring him back.
He didn’t mean it in a hypocritical way, but rather defining his principals and morals.
Jason started killing people, and let vengeance cloud his judgement to the point where he didn’t mind sacrificing the lives of others to get revenge on Batman(I mean, he wouldn’t let anything happen to Oracle or Jim, and prevented his militia from torturing them, but anyone he didn’t know personally didn’t have that same protection). Batman became a symbol of hope for the innocent and a symbol of fear for criminals. Batman could’ve easily hunted down every criminal, Joe Chill included, and murdered them, but he keeps his moral compass
Not hypocritical in the least bit, he trains his robins so that he does not become like him. His entire mission is not to have someone else go through what he goes through, forever in that alley with his dead parents. That is also why he does not take a life
Its not hypocritical.
Jason was beaten, humiliated, tortured and broken by the joker for an entire year!! .
Batman was trying to tell him it was just 1 year out of his entire life and that 1 year doesn't need to be what defines him as he is now.
Hes broken to the point he's literally killing people for "justice" which is what batman never taught him to do.
Batmans parents died and to honor them he decided he would take on being a vigilante but he wouldn't kill.
Batman knows. Part of the reason that he recruited each of the first two Robins (Dick and Jason) is that identified with what he saw on them. In both cases, Batman wanted to give a person who did not have the same luxuries that he did the chance to work through their stuff and not become the same sort of person he is.
Batman vs Dick Grayson as his greatest success in part due to the differences and more optimistic nature in which Dick views the world when compared to how Batman views the world.
Alfred has lived on this earth for so long, he knows nothing is ever as it seems. He wasn’t shocked to hear that Jason was alive, all he cared that he was alright.
Alfred cared about all of his “kids”
People disliked the fact that the Arkham Knight’s identity was so obvious, but I liked that it was Jason, I just wish there was more hints to his return, or at least mention of him back in Arkham City, so that we didn’t get a whole dump of Jason Todd lore at Panessa Studios to where it became so obvious who the Arkham Knight was. I mean, the precious games only mentioned Nightwing and Tim (with a short little line, subtle from Joker about “killing”Jason in City), so as soon as we were suddenly introduced to Jason through Bruce’s Jonkler visions, it was like “oh, that’s who the Knight is”.
The scene was still sad though. Jason suffering mental and emotional damage from being tortured is much more brutal than him straight up getting killed imo
He mentions Jason in Asylum, too. "You can have Harley, it seems you need a new sidekick"
The thing is that if people who played the Batman series weren’t all die hard fans of the character since childhood and at some point throughout their lives didn’t know about the Jason storyline it would’ve been and is a great plot twist and always had been wanted by fans in the first place, people who complained were just pseudo nut cases who obsess over source material that isn’t theirs.
@@nickmccurdie1214 even if you aren’t a comic fan this story still has a ton of problems and plot holes. It’s not ALL about the source material, but yeah, in that regard they ruined Jason and Batman imo. Also, that doesn’t make us “nut cases”, it means we want our characters to be properly portrayed and represented, which nobody was in this story.
I like the way Batman calls him Robin when telling him to stand down. It's a nice way to subtly reinforce that he didn't abandon him and that they really were and are partners. Another thing I like is how batman knew that Jason would track him when he gave himself up to Scarecrow. He knew Jason would know that he would've done the same for him, and that they wouldn't let it happen to anyone else.
falling on lego bricks? that mustve hurt
That’s what I am saying
"Is he alright?"
"No, no he's not"
And then just hangs up.
Imagine the pure panic that Alfred is going through right now.
Alfred: Is he alright?
Batman: No, no he's not.
😢
Na he is fine :D
0:17 Lego floor? 😂😂
What is even sadder is that, although Jason is Red Hood, he still wore his Robin Eye mask.
It’s not the Arkham Knight, that’s why it’s sadder. Red Hood is the AK but actually written well
He’s wearing a modded outfit. He doesn’t actually look like that in game
@@jdbatx I know he doesn't. It is the canon costume in the comics. That is what I am referring to.
@@khalifabinhendi6107 oh mb, I misunderstood the comment
The eyes makes it more expressive
Guess that "Bruce, I forgive you" line doesn't work as well without Joker still drawing breath.
Jason Todd says like Jesse from breaking bad. When he is frustrated
He sounds like anarchy from Batman Arkham origins aswell, I think they was both played by Troy Baker
@@Hybrid225Matt Mercer played Anarky
Whats funny is Bruce aknowledges his own annoyance of always disappearing to Gordon through Jason disappearing while talking to Alfred.
I love the comic accurate costumes :D
Jason Todd is one of my favorite dc characters. He needs his own solo film, video game and even a tv show.
Arkham Knight has an amazing story but man I wish the boss fights weren’t so rushed
3 words Bruce has been wanting to say for years 0:57
Lego ahh floor 💀
On god bruh
Reminds me of the "Under the Red Hood" film, which I recommend to watch.
That’s exactly why this is better than the AK
I recently had these along with the mod that changes Joker into the Batman who Laughs. Best playthrough of my life.
''With him!''
:(..
The chill and shudder in his voice when he said that shows you how traumatized he is
@@Youngboy_SL yes, man
The Joker of the Arkham universe was one of the cruelest of all with Jason Todd
@@Neobr41 Yea he didn't just beat him with a crowbar like he normally does in the comics he flat out did every disturbing thing you can't even imagined
@@Youngboy_SL and not just the Joker. In a comic book that tells what happened (it's official), the villains who were prisoners in the asylum helped the Joker beat Jason, like Crocodile, Two-Face, Bane, and even prisoners dressed up as Batman beat him to make Jason hate Bruce
indirectly, Batman sent the villains to the asylum just so they could torture Jason and escape
Troy Baker and his excellent performance strike again
People can shit on Arkham Knight all they want, I'm just glad that Kevin got to do a story angle that is very important to Batman Comics lore in some way - 'A Death in the Family'. Eventhough Bruce Greenwood was good in under the Red Hood, that was Kevin's part.
@@1000jeetu too bad it’s the worst possible version of that story
@@McDayWalker02I liked it still
@@rjwallace7477I think it ruined Jason’s character completely and treated fans like idiots lol
It's extra sad that Alfred asks if Jason is okay and he flat out says " No, He's Isn't" since Jason is totally broken by what Bruce and joker did to him
You know what's sad...alfred's reaction
Batman: *scratches* You're Robin Jason. You're not what he made you.
its crazy how they could have made everything even better if only they didnt do ssktjl
they chose twink joker over the jla LMFAO😂
That game could've been absolutely goated.
Batman retiring and seeing the jla compromised?? Bro stepping in to help the S.S save the day and then he's out of retirement for a new ark game? peak.
They could've branched out alot from ktjl
@@zenthenerdgamer4649 yea
Fun fact: Jason aims over Bruce's head.
thats just the mod
*What an idiot, if anyone, Batman should know to not turn your back on someone if you don't want them to suddenly vanish.*
He let him go…
@@afkmh2392 *Yes, I'm sure Batman wanted to just let him run off again when he just spent the past 30 mins trying to get a hold of him and when he definitely needs help to rehab.*
I think it's to show Jason he has an option to leave if he wants to, he's trying to show that Jason isn't what the Joker made him into but that he doesn't have to be what Bruce made him either
Jason in this game would have been better if he was Red Hood to begin with, have Batman figuring out who Red Hood is, to keep the mystery plot while the audience already will know of course, like watching the under the red hood movie
Honestly, I would keep him at Akrham Knight... because, cmon. It's literally on a name.
But abandoned the whole mystery and let his identity be revealed early on, and focused more on how Bruce reacts on this.
Because let's face it: even people that didn't know Jason *existed* before had realised he was Akrham Knight because of how the game suddenly introduced him through flashbacks despite never being mentioned in the last 2 games before.
@@patkub3214 but one of the biggest issues was that Arkham Knight was advertised as a Rocksteady original character and it was just Red Hood with a different look and name
@@randomolisherexactly🙏🔥
Jason: is it too hard to cross that line?
Bruce: No! God Almighty, no. It'd be too damned easy. All I've ever wanted to do is kill him. A day doesn't go by that I don't think about subjecting him to every horrendous torture he's dealt out to others, and then and him.
Joker: Aww, so you *do* think about me...
Bruce: But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place... I'll never come back.
I like how the map feels new as well
I really liked Arkham series storyline. For me it is the best game series about superheroes.
@@krzysztofkozakiewicz3920 the first 3 games were great with some small issues for me personally. This one just took a nose dive off a cliff
@@McDayWalker02 I enjoyed AK the most from the series. It gave us nice endings for few villains and was the most fun in terms of gameplay.
Between arkham and spiderman ps4 these were in general 2 of the best series that fully respected their heros.
Arkham Fans:“You did this to us!”
Rocksteady: “I'm sorry.”
Arkham Fans: “You left us with 2 seasons of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League for over a year!”
Rocksteady: “It's not too late. We can fix this...together.”
Except modern rocksteady wouldn’t say that… 😭
Didn't Rocksteady go out of business?
@@austinwaggoner3826 Not yet, but they got massive layoffs
“No…no you can’t”
@@gabriellopesguimaraes3513 Ok. Thank you for letting me know.
What does Batman and Jason Todd/Red Hood have in common?
The Punisher, probably.
Punisher is Marvel
Imagine if SSKTJL had a parallel to 0:41. We play as Jason and beat Bruce, then like in Winter Soldier with Bucky and Steve on the helicarrier, Bruce picks up on the gesture and wording and comes back.
That's like saying imagine is SSKTJL had an actual good story and wasn't completely ass
@@JeremiahJones-fj4rk Exactly
Wasted potential
God Jason has such an amazing voice actor
@@ITheAnnihilator I think he’s pretty bad in this game personally
Jensen Ackles as Jason is much better
@@sebastieno.1614 couldn’t agree more👍🔥
@@McDayWalker02 Same, Troy Baker always sounds like himself and his voice is so distinctive
Troy Baker is amazing. But his voice doesn't fit some characters like Red Hood and James from Silent Hill 2.
I wish they don’t ruin Red Hood’s legacy by bringing him back in Suicide Squad game, pls!
word your looking for is “hope”, buddy.
@@beatsbyelvis6890 Bet that little correction made you feel real smart, meanwhile you used the wrong "you're" 💀
@@beatsbyelvis6890the word you're looking for is "you're"
@@beatsbyelvis6890 Irrelevant.
Isn't it weird that Jason made a name for himself only when he became Red Hood and not when he was Robin? Like, nobody cared about him when he was Robin.
Then again you can say the same thing for Nightwing, but I don't know if that applies for him tho.
No it dosent apply to dick jason was always the one forgotten look how fast bruce recruiited tim
Jason is truly unqiue Robin.
- A streets rat
- Shortest time as Robin
- Only Robin who didn't have his own team as robin
- Only Robin who was constanly compared to his predecessor on Regular basics
- Only Robin to be hated for taking mantle from his predecessor (debatable)
@@darkothemapper1826I think Stephanie had the shortest time as Robin, actually.
@@nicholasfarrell5981 yes, but i meant out of male robins, not female INCLUDED too
I think the story would've been better if Bruce found several clues hinting that the AK was Jason, and would've known it was him after piecing it together himself instead of just the Joker memories and having this awful reveal.
Yeah man.. Ak story kinda sucked..
For me Arkham Asylum had the best story.
The second he opened his mouth about Batman’s armor I was like cmon man seriously? That’s like word for word off under the red hood.
@@miktmikleson4891 i knew when jason showed up at ace chemicals and called batman "oldman"
And i only really recall jason or grayson naming bruce something like that
So i figured it was jason todd then
Maybe, but for the player perspective it could’ve been odd because majority of players who are familiar with comics will instantly know this is Jason as AK
Love Batman but seriously he has to admit Joker did win Red Hood Jason Todd 2nd Robin did kill a lot of people after Joker's reforming Robin program was a success
That would only be applicable in the Arkham verse, but not much of a win since Joker didn't live to see it. Not to mention in the main continuity it's only a win for Joker if he can get Batman to kill.
If we're to be honest, it wasn't Joker. It was the writers and the fans.
I love this games story idk how people dislike it
because it ended arkham series and then gotham knights and suicide squad came in and then only VR games
@@rjwallace7477 because it treats its fans like idiots and ruined Jason
Fans were told that this was going to be a new villain for the game. I personally was disappointed that it ended up not being one. It would have been fine if they never said anything, but I was excited to see what they were going to do and how it would turn out. It's still a great game, but it was just a let down with what they did.
@@gunguntrio1247 this isn’t a new villain though. The AK is just a horribly written version of RH.
That's @@McDayWalker02 point
Bro why is there lego studs on the floor
Forget that, what about the basketballs and footballs too 😂
@@maolenvinpelaez2199it’s a toy shop!
Bad ass Under the Red Hood mod!
Gotta be one of my favorite batsuits
It was sad for me when I first saw that scene...
Good job amazing suits
Well I got to give Rocksteady credit for creating a brand new origin for the Red Hood. Honestly "and this is just my personal opinion" this origin story is a lot better than the original....No Lazarus pit, no taking over criminal organizations, no trying to get Batman to break his moral code, and in the end it just shows that Batman never really gave up on him like Jason was convinced that he did, and as a result Jason Todd went from the murderous Arkham Knight that became a militia leader working with criminals, to a semi reformed Red Hood that ended up forgiving Batman and going after criminals instead. Granted he still kills, but he does it to people who really deserve it. The Black Mask is a good example of that. 👍
I never understood why, despite being the greatest detective, he was not able to find jason..
he thought he was dead... lol
@@tytyq321 Wouldnt he still try to find his corpse? Just look at how he always seems to find missing people or suspects in the game through detective vision and what not, but finding Jason was too hard?
@@captainobvious5177 joker would do anything to the corpse
@@tytyq321 so much for world's greatest detective.. believing a video sent by Joker rather than doing some detective work himself... He should have kept looking until he found the body or something.
Finding Jason would be much easier since he is himself detective. Jason would have left clues for bruce to pickup.
Was that a Lego floor?
Alfred: Oh my God! Master Tood? The boy I brought up from a child and thought was dead is actually live?!?! Is he alright?
Batman: Nope. *click*
The Lego floor 😂
One of the Greatest games of all time
no
@@SirFunkyyes
@@feeltheneed6649 no. its argueably the worst of all the arkham games (excluding blackgate) its not bad it just isnt G.O.A.T level,
@@SirFunky 🍼
@@feeltheneed6649 ironic
B: "Jason..."
R.H: "Jason is gone... I am what remains!"
B: "...I'm sorry... I'm sorry Jason... For all of it."
J: "...I am not your failure, Bruce. You didn't kill Jason Todd..."
R.H: "I DID!"
R.H: "The same way, I will destroy you!"
B: "Then my pupil is truly dead... Goodbye...Hood..."
R.H: "...Bruce..."
R.H: "BRUCE!"
Wha- HEY!
Anakin Crywalker
Need a Red Hood game 🙏
I mean there sort of is one.
@@borawson3941and it’s garbage lol
@McDayWalker02 True, it had a lot of potential though. I never even bothered finishing it I only gave it a chance so I could play as Nightwing.
I wish the fight was better a lot of the fights suck origins did it best
@@DeadPool_Merc true, personally I don’t like single boss fight in this game other than Professor Pyg.
@@McDayWalker02I know he’s DLC but what about killer croc? Or the Goliath boss fight in panessa studios with Robin, personally I really enjoyed both.
@@D4RK_KNIGHT_788 I hate those two, that boss fight style is reused for multiple fights and it’s not interesting or engaging to me at all.
@@McDayWalker02 I only remember there being 2 or 3 tag team fights in the whole game and in my opinion, allowing the player to switch seamlessly between Batman Nightwing, Robin or catwoman during each fight ,all with different animations and takedowns, felt pretty satisfying. Plus the takedown animations when you finally beat the bosses r epic Batman legit RKO’S killer Croc lol. By no means are they the best boss fights in the series but there r far from the worst.
I never like when Batman's belt is translated into 3D as a stark yellow. Looks so goofy and out of place for a character being "one with the shadows" and stuff.
(Adam West is the exception tho)
0:44 creation of Adam reference ?
Cool catch
It’s his opinion by the way guys
@@Whatacoolfan exactly
It was already sad !
Such a beautiful, and yet so sad scene.
The colors do look saturated. Did you apply a graphic setting for it?
@@thiagofoliveira yeah, it’s a Reshade. But I don’t remember which one unfortunately. People don’t usually ask about that so I don’t think to put it in the description.
Reshade works great with most games@@McDayWalker02
Arkham knight was just to throw the audience off, if it was red hood the hole time it wouldn't change the story, just elevat it, case and ☝️☝️☝️.
I think the idea of a character like the arkham knight was cool and the design was done very well. Especially as batman was confronting him and it came to look more like the red hood outfit. I think it's actually a great idea to have him become the red hood as he tries to become his own hero instead of him just showing up as the red hood
I just never liked the name "arkham knight" for a character who has little or nothing to do with arkham. The explanation of him being held in arkham wasn't enough imo to justify it.
I feel like they should have called him prometheous or given him the name of some other c lister from the comics.
WOW! I haven’t played that game in years.
Jason 😢
I wish made Batman beyond where the Arkham Knight timeline left off
When Terry found the batcave
a Ai of Bruce/Batman came on and teach Terry how to be the Batman
Oh and Jason is Joker Clone host like in Batman Beyond Joker returns movie
Yeah I pay good money for that instead the Gotham Knights and suicide squad kills the justice league
Yeah now that be WAYYYY BETTER then those games
Jason has gone through enough lol.
@@makisbizarreadventure4669 hey it make sense if goes like that
@@benjaminkitchen6257 Why not just do it like in the movie?? Even though it didnt make sense but Todd would make sense.
But also, why no old man Bruce?
Batman in that universe is such shit he's a creep who got Barbra pregnant while she was dating dick lmao@@benjaminkitchen6257
Agreed
Great scene
This story ended up flopping for me.
Red mask is the solution to beating batman, but he never ends up really beating him. even though we're told multiple times throughout the game that Jason knows all the ways to beating the batman, but he's beaten, quite easily. Compare it to the Deathstroke boss fight in origins, deathstroke countered your moves, and caught the batman off guard. Jason just sits on a gargoyle and waves his gun around. Not fun
And the joker slowly possesses Bruce, all though, I would like for this to happen in similarly, I don't think the solution would be to...dose him with more fear toxin. Bruce didn't overcome anything here. Bruce's fear was that he would lose control and become the joker, and not protecting the ones he love, and uh..taking a life.
How I think the story should've gone. We fight the Arkham Knight, we lose. We are drag to Arkham asylum. We have our face revealed. We dose with fear toxin. We officially become the joker. The joker/batman escapes and kills scarecrow in a fit of laughter. Symbolising we just killed the batman because Bruce broke his one rule. We can either play joker/batman or Arkham Knight.
If we play as the batman, we beat the Arkham Knight, ((because he can't predict the jokers moveset and is able to use cheap tricks)), and when Jason face is revealed, Bruce overcomes with emotion, realizing that Jason is still alive, and that he didnt fail, but he realizes what's he done. And turns himself in.
Or have you play as the Arkham Knight, you see what Bruce did, and seeing him laughing. Realizing what he just done. You go into Arkham to stop Bruce, and as you walk through the asylum. The victims of joker is around the halls, and once you finally catch up. There is no redeeming Bruce, and when you go to fight him. It's a solid duel, but the Arkham Knight takes off his mask, revealing to Bruce that he was still alive. The joker laughs at the irony, and at this point, Jason has his revenge. He beats the joker for all the abuse he had given him and Bruce for putting him in the position. And just when he's about to kill him. He doesn't, as he hears the whispers of Bruce saying he was sorry, and something
Secret invasion oh you mean the awesome comic from back in the day man I wonder if they’re ever gonna bring it into live action
Secret Invasion Huh? Yea I heard it was an Interesting Story where People get replaced with Shape shifting Aliens
Its probably gonna full of Suspense and Paranoia
How’d you upload this
bat hit him on steel helmet - i think it was so painfull to him (no)
And... How is it sadder?
@@SagyndykMardanov the AK is gone, it’s Red Hood now. Like he should’ve been
@@McDayWalker02well it was in the game itself, Bruce broke AK mask, Jason put it away and the Red part left
@ true, but I hate that design, and the transition from the AK to Red Hood in the game is not only stupid, but lacks any actual character development compared to the comics. It’s just so much weaker compared to UTRH or the comics.
@@McDayWalker02 I love the design but I feel like I'm the only one 😭I'm probably biased because this was my introduction to his character so its got that nostalgia factor
What mod did those footballs and basketballs come from?
This video game is amazing
how did you change jason's outfit in story?
@@Alderan3344 mods, link is in the description
How is it so much sadder now?
@@modingmaster it’s comic accurate, and the AK is gone.
@McDayWalker02 so you took the whole game out of the scene by removing the AK suit and changing into Red hood suit ??? That makes it sadder for you ?
@@kobaye2111 yes, absolutely. The Arkham Knight is literally a horribly written and voice acted version of Red Hood. The fact that it’s comic accurate alone makes it better for me. Thought the story itself is still dogshit.
@@McDayWalker02 Maybe because you think that Arkham Knight = Red Hood when that's not the case
The story AND the character is different. Instead of blinding yourself with the original story of Red Hood, open your mind and understand that is another story with a new identity for Jason Todd BEFORE Red Hood because having the original Red Hood suit right away is dumb for a simple reason = Joker is dead.
It doesn't make it better, it makes it more stupid because why would Jason take the name of Red Hood right away if the Joker died and can't have his revenge like in his original story ? It doesn't make any sense.
Understand that AK is another story, another Batman than the comics. Open your mind and you'll see that the game isn't bad AT ALL. The story is good, not bad, not necessarily great but good.
Instead of purely hating and yet apparently keep coming to the game, try to enjoy this gem because this game is way better than most games on the market today.
@@kobaye2111 it has redeeming qualities, but this is easily the worst Arkham game in the series. Besides Suicide Squad. And even while ignoring what the comics did with Jason, I can point out a plethora of stupid plot points Rocksteady themselves wrote. The story is still garbage whether you know the comics or not. Most people just don’t think about what their stories like that cause it’s surface level shit. So yeah, I still stand that this mod is far more superior to the bs Rocksteady did.
Wait can you make Jason have any outfit you want in cutscenes?
@@raaviolli not on console, only on PC with mods. And the mod only uses this specific Red Hood outfit.
Can anyone tell where the name red hood came from?
I think it’s a name the joker used to use, so out of irony and to taunt the joker, Jason started using it too.
@@lana.n06 in most iterations Joker was technically the first “Red Hood”. He wore the original costume when he fell into the tank of chemicals that turns him into the Joker. When Jason was first brought back in comics, Talia Al Ghul trained and mentored Jason. She gave him the Red Hood helmet we all know and love as a gift when he came back to Gotham.
@@McDayWalker02 in the animated movie, Batman says: "we meet again, Red Hood", so there was another?
@@astro837 aside from Jason and Joker (Originally) no, there’s been no others. I don’t remember that line, which animated movie are you talking about? It can’t be UTRH
@@McDayWalker02 in "The Killing Joke"
I don't get it
@@MMMMonke it’s comic accurate
@@McDayWalker02🫨 damn crazy
How come its sadder?
@@hardcoregamer512 it’s actually comic accurate
@@McDayWalker02 oh
@@McDayWalker02Why would that matter it’s rockstars rendition?
@ it’s personal preference, some people like it, I happen to hate. It’s their rendition, just not a good one imo.
bro the people that dont know why its sadder arnt batman fans tbh
Why now, can smb explain pls
@@izmapeek it’s comic accurate, and the Arkham Knight is gone. Jason is Red Hood like he should’ve been from the beginning. Too bad I can’t erase the rest of the shitty plot lol
@@McDayWalker02 AND Kevin Conroy's passing.
What game is this from?
@@AprilC27 Arkham Knight
Look I know it saved you a grip on outfits, but maybe don't call every orphan you find Robin . It fucks with their personal identities and occasionally causes some to become criminally insane .
@@matthewshafer9545 I don’t think Jason is criminally insane
@@McDayWalker02 Jason Todd was nearly tortured to death by the Joker . He's nuts man .
@@matthewshafer9545 yes, he was, but that doesn’t mean he’s insane. Compared to other batshit crazy Batman characters Jason isn’t that crazy. He only targets criminals, not innocents. The fact that he was tortured doesn’t alone mean he’s crazy, it’s a matter of what he did as a result/coping mechanism from that torture.
@@McDayWalker02Legally speaking, it could be argued that he is. I'm not saying the guy is nuts but if someone went around the way he did in this game after being tortured, a hard case can be made for ptsd among other things.
And one of the things professionals look at when evaluating someone is whether they are a threat to themself or others. Normal people don't really lash out on a consistent basis.
Why does it the quality look so bad-
@@iscott3187 think it looks fine
@@McDayWalker02 maybe I am too used to ps5 graphics
@@iscott3187 this is PC, it looks better imo
It’s the custom skins
@@Lyricsinthelocal they look amazing, what are you talking about?
If you dont have the rest of the poorly written story in your head? Yes, it is
@@user-ox4nb6eb7v truth
The Arkham Knight slander is crazy💀
@@Chrono-and-Co he sucks, what can I say
Yeah... Nah... A whole lot better than it deserves credit for, and sure-as-SHIT better than that trainwreck of a story in "Arkham City". "Knight" is giving us a deeper look into Batmans fears (primarily the fear of himself), themes like nature, loss, legacy etc. and knows how to ACTUALLY manifests all this in an interactive way. The story is great.
@@jedermann3649 you call Arkham City’s story trash but AK’s great? Wow….
Why is it sadder now
@@reesrodriguez4146 because it’s comic accurate, and best of all the AK is gone. Red Hood is so much better, and these skins are from the UTRH movie. Which did this games plot a million times better.
Because the Suicide Squad game that follows up after Arkham destroys Batman.
God this fight sucked
@@luapn2187 it really did
@@McDayWalker02 like did they play this say "This is a good final boss, a crappy, easy, stealth section where jason whines at you. The players will love that"
I won't lie, out of all the bossfights in the Arkham series, this one was pretty mid. Awesome story though!
I don’t understand why not reusing the concept from the Deathstroke fight in Arkham Origins against Red Hood and make it more impressive. It would’ve made so much more sense, having an actual fight against Red Hood, without cutting all the dialogues in between.
How is it sadder it’s the same scene?
@@KingOfTheTrolls it is, but the AK is gone, which automatically makes it better. It’s comic accurate, Red Hood is so much better than the AK. And the skins convey way more emotion than the Rocksteady versions do. Modders do it better than Rocksteady per usual.
@@McDayWalker02hell no, rocksteady was great back then, this scene came from them and not the modders.
@@JunDageki this scene specifically is fine, but the story as a whole is awful and ruins Jason as a character imo. The AK persona is stupid and I hate their design for Red Hood. This is infinitely better, with RH like he should’ve been from the beginning, and the white eyes from Batman convey way more emotion than the Rocksteady suit (which is ugly asf imo).
@@McDayWalker02facts. It has its moments but the story in Arkham Knight is awful and people need to stop pretending it isn't. Especially since the terrible ending to the game justifies the bench scene in kill the Justice League
@@crimson5pider none of it justified suicide squad
where did you get the skin for the knight?
Link is in the description
Why sadder now ?
@@gordongoodguy5985 because the AK is gone, and you can see more of Jason’s emotion with the cracked helmet.
because it’s comic accurate, that’s it
@@beatsbyelvis6890that too🙏🔥
Gosh why didn’t he just call him before creating this grand scheme knowing full well he’s Batman and just get counseling then be Robin again since we all know Tim is with Barbara 🙄
what are you waffling about
@@beatsbyelvis6890 Plot
Todd is Robin before Tim, Batman (Bruce Wayne) thought he died
I am just gonna say it I hate Batman, all he really does is beat criminals up and sends them to jail where they always escape and kill even more people. Red Hood is right.
You’re forgetting the whole reason why he doesn’t kill his criminals. If Batman kills one person, he won’t stop himself from going on a rampage and he won’t stop with criminals he’ll likely go after people innocent people as well.
@@JoshioE110 if he is that unstable, maybe he shouldn’t be Batman.
@@sydryi3086 I agree, Red Hood is right, Batman isn’t. But in no way, shape, or form does that make me hate him lol
@sydryi3086 It would be his instability. Killing changes you. If you can solve a problem like that, it's hard not to wonder where the limit is. Anyone who'd kill on occasion would get out of hand.
The reason for Batman not killing is because he believes in redemption for people and if they are to be killed then the courts decide their fates not Batman
Btw, what exactly is he sorry about? For NOT killing the Joker and avoiding this horrific mess, along with many others?...
Or is he sorry that he doesnt have writers with brains or wisdom enough to incorporate lethal force in the same believable and adult manner as other characters in the modern age?
@@whynot1548the writers fucked this story up, but Batman not killing isn’t something they did wrong here. He shouldn’t kill, ever. That’s the entire duality of Bruce and Jason is that Bruce is Batman with restraint and discipline, Jason is not.
He’s sorry for not saving him from Joker. Batman believed he was dead, because that’s what the video from Joker made it seem like. He didn’t do anything “wrong”, but he still feels responsible for the pain Jason endured.
@@caleb_dume I mean, he *was* dead, and unless the Ras or Thalia he was not willing to use the Lazarus´ Pit to revive him
@@RositaDepre the Arkham Knight version of Jason was never killed, so was never resurrected with the Lazarus pit. Joker kept him prisoner in an abandoned wing of Arkham for months, torturing him daily. He escaped by himself, and when he heard Batman had already replaced him with Tim Drake, he began his vendetta against Batman, leading to the events of the game.
@@caleb_dume oh, thanks for the correction, I missremembered the Arkham lore
Hilarious how the supposed Batman fans online will freely acknowledge Batman's fallacies------but still get triggered by anyone in film or other mediums trying make him grow up a little.
As if occasional and surgical use of lethal force is unreasonable
@@whynot1548 it’s not unreasonable all the time, but for Bruce Wayne specifically it absolutely is. He should never kill, under any circumstances. I don’t personally agree with his no kill rule, but it’s the one rule above all that Batman is rooted in. That’s something that should never change.
I don't really know if you actually understand the character of Batman or not. I'm leaning towards the other side based on the fact you're telling a grown man still hindered by watching his mother and father shot in front of him to "grow up". Batman walks the line between Good and Bad. The Light and The Dark. He OFTEN talks about a "darkness" or a "pit" inside of him where he doesn't care anymore. If he fully crosses that line, instead of being the one who carries the weight of walking it, there is no Batman. There is no Bruce Wayne. Which is exactly what Scarecrow understood and tried proving in Arkham Knight. Please pick a different character to analyze because Batman is SOMEHOW too complex for you to grasp 😭😭😭
@@lssjbroly_YT he probably has all his Batman knowledge from Zack Snyder lol
@@clonecam117thefilthycasual6 Zack Synder actually got the character down and is offshoot of what would happen if Dick died and there was never Jason. Also can you "knowledgeable" batman fans stop pretending like the no kill rule is his fundamental when it's his parents death that's an absolute. The mission of Batman is so that "no child will ever lose their parents to some punk with a gun". That's why there are several versions of Batman that does kill even Pre 52 og Batman is willing to make exceptions to that rule i.e. final crisis which again Zack Synder was basing Batman from.
Ah, someone who doesn't understand the character's motivation. Art must be so confusing for you :,]
Why is it sadder now
@@the1trubilly it’s comic accurate, and the Arkham Knight Is gone
@@McDayWalker02this is far from comic accurate
@@eradicatedpulse6896 way more accurate than the garbage designs of Knight. More specifically it’s based on the UTRH animated movie. Which did this games plot infinitely better.
@@McDayWalker02 That's fair. I would argue that the design of AK was pretty cool, but would have been way better as a separate character. I like that he had a much more militaristic and techy take on Bruce's suits though. It plays into his ego of seeing himself as a new "better" batman.
@Selfish_Neurotic honestly I'd have loved a story line where several "batmen' are vying to prive their methods are better than Bruce's, we could have had arkham Knight as a separate character, azrael etc... kinda like battle for the cowl but with batman still being a thing