Meh that's what you get teaming with disccrap. Mass produced discs that are slippery plastic not grippy, wear quickly, and are pushed on you by marketing and their team.
The stalker technically fills that gap. I would much rather bridge that gap by hammering my mid ranges or laying off 10 speeds a bit. Fairway drivers have always seemed unnecessary for me personally.
Pleasure seeing you too!! I didn't quite catch you fast enough as I realized you were the first Subscriber to find me and say hi in real life, but if you could reach out to me on instagram I'd love to send you some minis for free!
Love these comparison videos 👍👍 - keep up the awesome work! I had considered ordering an athena, but i already have way too many discs that have similar flight numbers. Maybe i’ll grab one when the hype dies down so they’re more readily available.
Probably a good idea! I was happy to see I could get one from my tournament payouts, but if it wasn't for that or the sake of making videos, I definitely wouldn't have bought one!
I think this may be your best video yet! The new camera is great! Your content is really getting better, this was pretty high quality, man, I see you taking off here soon!
When you watch someone's video and they're playing the course you first learned disc golf at... Except in 2008 when it was a 9 hole course. Love what they did with Knoch Knolls. Great video as well.
Another solid comparison video. Your video style, pace, and tips are all great man! I currently bag the explorer for this slot and don’t see myself switching from it anytime soon.
Discraft is the parent or sister company of DGA and the Athena is IDENTICAL to the DGA Pipeline (look at all the measurements on infinite discs). I’ve been in love with the Pipeline for several years, so glad Discraft is making a prettier more widely available Pipeline lol.
So I played with the Athena in depth and compared it with my beat in Crave in Cosmic Neutron. Those discs are almost identical. The Athena throws about 10 to 20ft further and is a little bit more OS. The Crave tends to hold its flight a bit more which is better for tunnel shots. The Athena is a bit deeper so if feels better backhand while the Crave feels a little bit better forehand. I would highly recommend a Crave if you are looking at a cheaper alternate that flies similar to the Athena.
I bag 4 Explorers now. I just got the Recycled/Biofuzion and yeah, after one round it's already straightened out which is exactly what I was hoping for. I have an Chameleon Opto X that is still just as stable as my Felon, a gold X is stable but gets ready good distance, a Hybrid that is a little straighter yet and then hopefully a flippy Recycled. Money disc for forehand or backhand.
yeah, I think I'm moving that slot to all different explorers and I LOVE the Recycled one. Perfect to be able to get that flight out of the box! I do need to figure out a super stable one, because that ricky opto ice one is nice, but an emerson keith opto x might be even more stable!
@@prattacaster Gold-x? Is that by chance one of the Amateur Matchplay Championship ones with the burst? I just lost mine but can’t recall if the run was Gold-x or just plain Gold. Currently just bagging an Opto, need to pick up a straighter compliment. Either Recycled or Gold. Love the Explorer!
@@justinbutler8418 My gold x is a 2021 an EK signature series. I'd guess yours was a gold. The Recycled is nice if you are looking for one that has some turn after beating in. The Gold X like my Hybrid has more of a straight glide but I wouldn't say either of them turn much at 320-340ft of power
That's on my to do list to figure out the easiest way for me to do fulfillment AND get payment and such figured out, I'll make sure to keep everyone posted as soon as I get it figured out (hopefully by the weekend)
I love your videos. For your next camera, I would get something that shoots 8k. That way you deliver in 4K but can crop in 200% without a drop in quality. All your zooms will look exactly like your wide shots.
I would not recommend an 8k camera to anyone unless your doing nature-documentary and I'm a fulltime filmmaker and have for example owned two REDs.. It wont help in his situation since the camera focuses on him (for example in 04:40 ) so the disc will be out of focus where it lands and even if you had 8k it still wouldnt look that much better if you punch in the image.. Soooo 8k is boarderline pointless here.. The camera he has now is doing the job just perfect.
@@simonlautrup2694 the best part of being outside is that he can increase his fstop and rack to infinity. 8k would make a difference if he is delivering in 4K. It gives him the crop without a quality dip. I also said for a next camera which would be around 3 or 4 years from now.
Thanks for this. I'm an Eagle guy myself! I bag Eagle X and L's pretty much for all my fairway slots but was curious if this was going to be any different.
@@kellyzmijewski sweet! I'm loving having a full frame sensor. was going to do the canon r7 but saw the only 800$ difference and thgouth, that's only 70 a month financed (0% on my bestbuy card) so I pulled the trigger.
I think the "prototype" run was the initial stock run, not sure how many they're doing though. I just bought htis from a local shop didn't get it sent to me
Teebirds and Explorers are my faves for 7 speed fairways. teebird 3 is more overstable in champion plastic until it hits a few trees. my beat in Buzzz OS can fill in the athena gap I think
I found it unusually difficult to keep the nose down. So far I don't like it. It doesnt really bridge the gap between my anax and buzzz the way i thought it would.
🙈 camera ≠ phone luckily enough! never tossed the camera around lol. 🤣 One of the phone cameras might also be broken, but I have more of an idea why that happened............
@@BodanzaDiscGolf UA-cam was like, "Cmon bro, I know you're clicking on this dude's thumbnails and you're NOT subbed so maybe you should uh, go on over and hit the button." ;p Good on ya. Safe travels to you.
@@phillipejennings7681 I just threw the Athena today and all I have to say is just wow. It is a little flippy forehand but a laser back hand. So much better than my Teebird.
FYI: It is not possible to obtain a prototype/pre-production disc from a manufacturer unless you are very friendly with the owner. They are all PDGA approved discs with a cynical and incorrect stamp on it. I have five genuine pre-production discs, and they are all VERY different to a production disc. And if we are being accurate, and using the word "prototype" correctly, then there is only ONE prototype of each mould, and those are all held by the PDGA, as they were submitted to the PDGA for approval purposes. So, whenever anyone tells you they have a prototype disc, they are wrong.
I guess technically speaking that could be correct, but if you go on any website looking for the athena, they all call it the prototype, so in keeping with their nomenclature that's what I called it. Probably just a branding thing
You could of just said “Athena review and comparison.” The title comes out and pretty much says “don’t buy this disc.” Your only real negative thing you said about it was the price. Is it expensive? Yeah but only because there’s only been a test and proto run of these so far. Once they make a stock run, this will be nothing more than a great tool for Discraft players just like Lat64 with an explorer.
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Do I need it? Absolutely not, but at least Discraft is providing this option to their team after having this gap in their lineup for so long.
haha totally! definitely a needed addition, just hoping theyu're not like 100$ each!
Do I need it? Absolutely not, but am I a Paul mcbeth fan boy? Yes 😂
Meh that's what you get teaming with disccrap. Mass produced discs that are slippery plastic not grippy, wear quickly, and are pushed on you by marketing and their team.
@@BodanzaDiscGolf don’t worry, it’s not a discmania disc
The stalker technically fills that gap. I would much rather bridge that gap by hammering my mid ranges or laying off 10 speeds a bit. Fairway drivers have always seemed unnecessary for me personally.
Sorry to hear about the camera. Really enjoyed the video! Definitely interested in more comparisons like this and the Toro video.
yeah it was sad! thanks for letting me know what you want, already have some filmed and more discs bought for the filming!!!
Was great to see you while you filmed this video!
Pleasure seeing you too!! I didn't quite catch you fast enough as I realized you were the first Subscriber to find me and say hi in real life, but if you could reach out to me on instagram I'd love to send you some minis for free!
Love these comparison videos 👍👍 - keep up the awesome work! I had considered ordering an athena, but i already have way too many discs that have similar flight numbers. Maybe i’ll grab one when the hype dies down so they’re more readily available.
Probably a good idea! I was happy to see I could get one from my tournament payouts, but if it wasn't for that or the sake of making videos, I definitely wouldn't have bought one!
Nice too meet you at knock yesterday good content!!
Nice to meet you too!!! Thank you for checking it out
I think this may be your best video yet! The new camera is great! Your content is really getting better, this was pretty high quality, man, I see you taking off here soon!
Thanks so much!! I love my new camera! definitely hope to take off soon! haha
When you watch someone's video and they're playing the course you first learned disc golf at... Except in 2008 when it was a 9 hole course. Love what they did with Knoch Knolls. Great video as well.
Yep! Same emotions for me too, home course, I remember when it was a good ol niner. It did turn out fantastic
Damn you at my home course. Definitely my favorite course in the area for sure!!!
I really enjoyed playing there!
Nice camera 👍🏼
Just ordered an Athena. Thanks for the info
Another solid comparison video. Your video style, pace, and tips are all great man! I currently bag the explorer for this slot and don’t see myself switching from it anytime soon.
thank you! I agree, still trying to totally get my fairways figured out but I think it's gonna be explorers for me too!
Discraft is the parent or sister company of DGA and the Athena is IDENTICAL to the DGA Pipeline (look at all the measurements on infinite discs). I’ve been in love with the Pipeline for several years, so glad Discraft is making a prettier more widely available Pipeline lol.
So I played with the Athena in depth and compared it with my beat in Crave in Cosmic Neutron. Those discs are almost identical. The Athena throws about 10 to 20ft further and is a little bit more OS. The Crave tends to hold its flight a bit more which is better for tunnel shots. The Athena is a bit deeper so if feels better backhand while the Crave feels a little bit better forehand. I would highly recommend a Crave if you are looking at a cheaper alternate that flies similar to the Athena.
sweet! great comparison
I bag 4 Explorers now. I just got the Recycled/Biofuzion and yeah, after one round it's already straightened out which is exactly what I was hoping for. I have an Chameleon Opto X that is still just as stable as my Felon, a gold X is stable but gets ready good distance, a Hybrid that is a little straighter yet and then hopefully a flippy Recycled. Money disc for forehand or backhand.
yeah, I think I'm moving that slot to all different explorers and I LOVE the Recycled one. Perfect to be able to get that flight out of the box! I do need to figure out a super stable one, because that ricky opto ice one is nice, but an emerson keith opto x might be even more stable!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf Yep, my Opto x is an Emerson Keith and IS certified beef
@@prattacaster Gold-x? Is that by chance one of the Amateur Matchplay Championship ones with the burst? I just lost mine but can’t recall if the run was Gold-x or just plain Gold. Currently just bagging an Opto, need to pick up a straighter compliment. Either Recycled or Gold. Love the Explorer!
@@justinbutler8418 My gold x is a 2021 an EK signature series. I'd guess yours was a gold. The Recycled is nice if you are looking for one that has some turn after beating in. The Gold X like my Hybrid has more of a straight glide but I wouldn't say either of them turn much at 320-340ft of power
I'd love to support by buying one of your mini's, anyway we can make that happen?
That's on my to do list to figure out the easiest way for me to do fulfillment AND get payment and such figured out, I'll make sure to keep everyone posted as soon as I get it figured out (hopefully by the weekend)
That edit at 9:13 is insane! The new camera looks rly good!
haha thank you! I like doing that stuff when shooting on a tripod
Just started going to Knock Knolls regularly so it’s nice seeing different ways to throw from the Tees
That pink and orange Athena is gorgeous though
yeah, it was the prettiest of the bunch I could get from my tournamnet credits!
Good video. What kind of camera do you have?
New camera quality looks great. Silver linings. Maybe a video gear video is in order.
thank you!!! if you'd like a how I film and edit eveyrthing vid that might be cool! Maybe a 5k sub video or somehting! haha
Which camera did you get? What were you using before?
Just found you and I love your content. Subscribed!
love the pace. subed
Your new camera is better. Thanks for the review.
Definitely better, I think the $2,000 price difference would necessitate that! lol
Do you live out near Naperville? That's my home course when I come back to visit my parents!
I live in a van and travel so I'm currently in Florida! Jsut traveled through the Chicago area earlier
I have family near Naperville, maybe I’ll check out this course in years to come.
I just compared the Athena to a Jennifer Allen Teebird and a First Run Evader. They all fly about the same
i have a SUPER beat in explorer its similar to the mvp trilogy challenge disc in stability but it doesnt fade it stays flat if thrown hyzer flip
and a teebird3 thats insanely understable and still doesnt fade
that's wild! I have a teebird3 like that that I beat up for a while too!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf probably either the straightest or one of the straightest discs in my bag for sure
I love your videos. For your next camera, I would get something that shoots 8k. That way you deliver in 4K but can crop in 200% without a drop in quality. All your zooms will look exactly like your wide shots.
I would not recommend an 8k camera to anyone unless your doing nature-documentary and I'm a fulltime filmmaker and have for example owned two REDs.. It wont help in his situation since the camera focuses on him (for example in 04:40 ) so the disc will be out of focus where it lands and even if you had 8k it still wouldnt look that much better if you punch in the image.. Soooo 8k is boarderline pointless here.. The camera he has now is doing the job just perfect.
@@simonlautrup2694 the best part of being outside is that he can increase his fstop and rack to infinity. 8k would make a difference if he is delivering in 4K. It gives him the crop without a quality dip. I also said for a next camera which would be around 3 or 4 years from now.
Awesome content, need more disc golfers making content like this. What do you use to edit your videos if you don't mind me asking?
thank you so much! I edit with premiere pro and if I need to do animations or follow flights I use after effects
Ive gotten tot he point where I just put my name on the disc with no #. out of 8 discs, I've received 1 call back...
I like the honest review!
New camera is CRISP
YEAH! I LOVE it, definitely more expensive, but WORTH IT!
Thanks for this. I'm an Eagle guy myself! I bag Eagle X and L's pretty much for all my fairway slots but was curious if this was going to be any different.
Glad I could help!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf you ever throw a legacy rival? I think you’ll really like it.
@@cglasford1 I haven't yet!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf give it a go. Rumor is it is based on steve Rico’s favorite 11x teebird. The other disc I’d suggest is the infinite exodus
I threw a Tee bird a bunch, but switched to volt since that gyro helps my forehand a bunch.
Sub for the camera troubles hope for the best!
Thank you!!
What camera did you pick up?
sony a7iv!!! BIG upgrade from my M50
@@BodanzaDiscGolf Nice! I'm using the Sony a6500 right now, hopefully upgrading next year!
@@kellyzmijewski sweet! I'm loving having a full frame sensor. was going to do the canon r7 but saw the only 800$ difference and thgouth, that's only 70 a month financed (0% on my bestbuy card) so I pulled the trigger.
I am using a Teebird3 in this category right now, so this was good to know.
You should play links in wheeler great course good for both forehand and backhand good amount of trees and other obstacles.
MVP Volt. My favorite in that class.
Thespeedandcondensededtinginthisvideoisinsane!😁
Yeahitshowiliketodothingsiguess! Iappreciateyouwatchingthevideo!
When does athena get released stock run?
I think the "prototype" run was the initial stock run, not sure how many they're doing though. I just bought htis from a local shop didn't get it sent to me
I personally bag a Athena for this slot high glide Good stability can come out of anhyser
The FD and Instinct are my goto 7 speeds atm. Good Review.
thanks! I want to try out the FD more
Teebirds and Explorers are my faves for 7 speed fairways. teebird 3 is more overstable in champion plastic until it hits a few trees. my beat in Buzzz OS can fill in the athena gap I think
I love the Athena .
What disc from Discraft would you compare it to? And if it is even close, would you think there is a good amount of difference to bag it?
honestly not sure if they had one! If you only throw discraft, could be a good addition, but I havent tried all the mold out
@@BodanzaDiscGolf I think the Discraft Stalker ans is close to it.
I found it unusually difficult to keep the nose down. So far I don't like it. It doesnt really bridge the gap between my anax and buzzz the way i thought it would.
Give him his monetization!!!
it actually got approved this morning!! Thank you so much! now to pay off this camera....
Throwin' discs in the thrill. Small world.
9:12 nice cut lol.
"No idea why my camera broke..." proceeds to throw phone on the ground repeatedly. Yeah, real mystery, that one. Good content tho. :)
🙈 camera ≠ phone luckily enough! never tossed the camera around lol. 🤣 One of the phone cameras might also be broken, but I have more of an idea why that happened............
With how aggresive youtube is pushing your channel to me I'd have assumed you were at least at 10k subs by now or something.
haha, hopefully that's a good thing! And hoping to get there soon :)
@@BodanzaDiscGolf UA-cam was like, "Cmon bro, I know you're clicking on this dude's thumbnails and you're NOT subbed so maybe you should uh, go on over and hit the button." ;p Good on ya. Safe travels to you.
....mmmm...maybe the phone bricks by often tossing it to the ground. Maybe.
Paul is literally just getting Discraft to make his Innova bag. Zeus, Malta, Luna, now Athena are just copies of his Innova bag
i love this course and i need an athena in my bag
You should check out the TSA votum
good suggestion! I'll see if I can get my hands on one
@@BodanzaDiscGolf I'll send you one
It's literally a teebird...
yep. pretty much!
Is this knoch knolls?
yeah!
🐟 or ☕️
enjoyed the video. now subbed. maybe slow down just a tinch!
Thanks for the sub! I'll work on the tinch! :)
For me the Teebirds are too flippy. My Athena comes in tomorrow. So far the way it is flying for you is exactly what I want.
Lol try max weight
@@phillipejennings7681 I just threw the Athena today and all I have to say is just wow. It is a little flippy forehand but a laser back hand. So much better than my Teebird.
@@billherrera6386 what run of Teebird? Also this run is overstable.
@@phillipejennings7681 I have tried star, Gstar, and DX. I just dont like them. I grabbed the Athena and threw it and it was just perfect for me.
@@billherrera6386 dawg it’s the same thing as a champ Teebird.
FYI: It is not possible to obtain a prototype/pre-production disc from a manufacturer unless you are very friendly with the owner.
They are all PDGA approved discs with a cynical and incorrect stamp on it.
I have five genuine pre-production discs, and they are all VERY different to a production disc.
And if we are being accurate, and using the word "prototype" correctly, then there is only ONE prototype of each mould, and those are all held by the PDGA, as they were submitted to the PDGA for approval purposes.
So, whenever anyone tells you they have a prototype disc, they are wrong.
I guess technically speaking that could be correct, but if you go on any website looking for the athena, they all call it the prototype, so in keeping with their nomenclature that's what I called it. Probably just a branding thing
You could of just said “Athena review and comparison.” The title comes out and pretty much says “don’t buy this disc.” Your only real negative thing you said about it was the price. Is it expensive? Yeah but only because there’s only been a test and proto run of these so far. Once they make a stock run, this will be nothing more than a great tool for Discraft players just like Lat64 with an explorer.
Don’t tell me how to live my life 🤣
ok, sorry,... 😉
I don't know, but you speak a lot! Reduce your speaking and maybe add some calm music to it.
Having a hard time understanding you. Can you speak faster?
Your jump cuts make it sound like you’re talking over yourself. Kind of tiring to listen to
Unsubbed
I'm just out here wanting a BUZZZ OOS 😂 need something more than a buzz OS