Harley Timken Bearing Upgrade Conversion | Performance Harley | Kevin Baxter | Pro Twin Performance

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  • Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
  • What is a Harley Timken Bearing Upgrade. Timken Bearing Conversion for your Performance Harley. Here, I explain Harley Flywheel problems, Harley Davidson crank bearings, what a Timken Bearing Upgrade is and why you should consider a Timken Conversion for your Harley Davidson. Also, you will learn how to do a Timken Upgrade in your Twin Cam or M8 Harley using tools from Jims Machine and the Jims Timken Bearing Sleeve. I found this video, as well as the cylinder head videos, tough. Sometimes it's hard to explain laws of physics, complex engine dynamics, forces, and load in it's simplest terms. So...bear with me..LOL
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    Chapters:
    0:00 Introduction
    1:30 Harley Crankshaft How its Made
    2:37 What is a sprocket shaft and pinion shaft harley
    3:43 Why do I need a timken bearing upgrade
    5:48 Crankshaft Runout Harley
    7:22 What is a timken bearing
    12:40 Why do a timken bearing only on left side harley
    14:00 Install Timken Bearing Conversion
    28:58 Closing
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  • @ClutchNixon
    @ClutchNixon Місяць тому +2

    You're living the dream I'd say. Your own boss wrenching Harleys. Your know how is impressive. And you make damn good UA-cam videos. Wishing you all the best from Norway.

  • @rickeysmith7674
    @rickeysmith7674 3 роки тому +10

    Looks to me like planned obsolescence so things will wear out faster then you can buy another motorcycle to keep them in business thanks for all the educational tips

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому +1

      lower cost...quicker production. youre welcome.

  • @raycollington4310
    @raycollington4310 3 роки тому +13

    "Thanks a million for watching"! Thanks a million to you Kevin for posting. Love all this technical stuff, it also demonstrates a high level of technical competence within your business, 1st Class Sir, thank you.

    • @davidmcmahon5991
      @davidmcmahon5991 Рік тому +1

      I second that, Kevin is the MASTER of H. D. Motors, so much knowledge he shares with in these videos THANK YOU FOR TIME, EXPERT EXPERIENCE HERE!!!! KEVIN BAXTER👍✔️🤔😎

  • @eddybuckhalt8657
    @eddybuckhalt8657 3 роки тому +9

    Wow! What a great explanation of crankshaft bearings and crankshaft physics! Thanks Kevin!

  • @joem7572
    @joem7572 3 роки тому +4

    Fantastic demonstration on the tool and installation; I can't wait to tear my twin-cam apart and do this modification.
    If you have a deep sink, hot water and Dawn dish soap are much more effective for washing machined surfaces. Not to say I haven't used the steam clean in a can when I have to, but every engine guy and machinist I apprenticed under at Cummins told me to never trust brake clean to get things perfectly clean. When I was at a basic engine machining class, one of the presentations was on best cleaning practices and they had pictures blown up under a microscope of particles left in blind holes, nooks, and crannies after a brake clean job and simple air blow out. The hot soap and water emulsifies the oil and lifts the particles off the surface, brake clean relies on dissolving the oil and hoping the force of the spray will knock loose the particles. Often time, the particle will remain as the brake clean dries.

  • @CalvinBradley
    @CalvinBradley 3 роки тому +12

    I enjoy learning how things are done. I’ll never do it but I have a good understanding about it now. Thanks!

  • @davemilbourne7761
    @davemilbourne7761 3 роки тому +6

    Darkhorse hooked me up on my Timken upgrade on my M8. Great to see how it’s all done. Thanks!

  • @mwhitelaw8569
    @mwhitelaw8569 3 роки тому +1

    So that insert provides depth for both inner and outer.
    Jims has made killer shop tools for decades man
    Glad they're hookin' it up

  • @mchristr
    @mchristr 3 роки тому +4

    I'm binge watching your videos and have learned more about H-D engines in the last few hours than I have over the last 8 years. Thanks Kevin. New subscriber.

  • @trooperspirit
    @trooperspirit 3 роки тому +7

    Thanks Kevin, well worth staying up for.. Learnt alot. Keep it shiny side up, and looking forward to part 2. LLR

  • @skippynj1979
    @skippynj1979 3 роки тому +6

    I'm so glad I chose your shop! I'm looking forward already to the next engine you build me after this one!

  • @fredburmer7306
    @fredburmer7306 3 роки тому +6

    Another great video Kevin. Really enjoy the real time unedited footage of the how to's.. The less editing the better! Really like the POV footage with the head camera. You're really taking one for the team wearing that ridiculous looking camera though :) Thanks for doing these.

  • @EXwifeKILLER
    @EXwifeKILLER 3 роки тому +6

    Can’t wait for the next vidya. Awesome stuff glad I found this channel. Being a mechanic and owning my first Harley I now know how they are put together and what to do later on for upgrades

  • @LittleMoes_Motivation
    @LittleMoes_Motivation 3 роки тому +4

    Sorry I missed the premiere..... fantastic video!! This video made me realize how much I miss building engines !!! Your explanations, your pace and the birds eye camera view are fantastic!! And as far as tapered token bearings go, there is a reason they are used as wheel bearings !! Looking forward to the next vid!!

  • @gregoryranlett7868
    @gregoryranlett7868 2 роки тому +3

    I have ALWAYS wanted to see the inside of a case with the flywheels, etc., and I have ALWAYS wanted to see how Timken bearings are installed. I had a Timken upgrade done on my twin-cam, but I had No Idea how it was done! These videos are really GREAT, and I only wish I lived closer to your shop. Well, at any rate, I'll get a chance to talk with you, in person, come August 16th!

  • @jportugaise
    @jportugaise 3 роки тому +2

    Amazing... to someone who knew nothing about motors last year. Thank you Kevin, lover your videos!

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching!

    • @jportugaise
      @jportugaise 3 роки тому

      @@KevinBaxter Love to you amazing engineer... you sound like an MIT guy and better. Thanks for making it easy for us "harleys for dummys" lol

  • @davepierce7395
    @davepierce7395 3 роки тому +16

    Kevin as always great series it takes a special man to dedicate this much time and effort in order to educate his followers! Greatly appreciated and Happy New Year to you and your family!

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому +1

      I appreciate that!. Happy New Year and the best to you and yours Dave!!

  • @jameslanning8405
    @jameslanning8405 3 роки тому +8

    I was under the impression, the INA bearing was a "ball bearing." Now I see it's a roller bearing, but it's a flat roller, and not tapered, like a Tipcon Bearing.
    It's soooooo depressing, to spend so much money on something, that needs to be completely rebuilt, to "above stock standards," just to have a little peace of mind about the machine your ass is on.
    I enjoyed that Kevin. I like mechanic 'n on stuff. It's fun seeing someone who knows what they are doing 'most of the time!'
    Is this case you're working on, the same as my '04' 88ci TC?
    Being on '04,' does my 88ci TC have the tapered end connecting rods? I've never been inside it... Yet!
    If I have to crack open the cam chest, to inspect those chain tensioners, I might as well replace them...
    Even if I can't afford to change to gear driven cams, should I take out the cam plate and have the cam bearings changed on the primary side of the cam chest?
    Always more questions than time!
    Peace Kevin...

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому +3

      this was an 07....but for the most part, the same as your 04. if you go into the cam chest, certainly install torrington cam bearings.

    • @theeastman9136
      @theeastman9136 2 роки тому

      That would be a Timken bearing James.

    • @myride7216
      @myride7216 Рік тому +2

      I wish Harley would have kept using the Timken setup and the forged crankshaft.

  • @idaholewis265
    @idaholewis265 Рік тому

    AWESOME Video!! I am in the process of having this done, I am glad i was able to see it here! THANK YOU for your time in making these Videos!!!

  • @Tryke_Ryder
    @Tryke_Ryder 3 роки тому +2

    Marvelous explanation of the process and why it would be done! Excellent video, especially the point of view camera!!!

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 3 роки тому +3

    Missed the premiere, I was out looking for sockets for my next repair, had to order them. Thanks for this, I know from experience that making video of the process slowed you down and I'm looking forward to the rest of this series. I'm going to send you a list of parts for quote once I get my bike torn down, want to wait until it is all apart so I get everything I need at once. This bike always produces a bunch of extra jobs when I do any work on it.

  • @LWSParents
    @LWSParents 3 роки тому

    All these dudes going to Car College getting themselves in debt, when really all they need do is subcribe to Baxter and smash that like button. Dudes drops more knowledge bombs in a 30 minute bit than a Professor in a semester.

  • @tcb8295
    @tcb8295 3 роки тому +2

    Great video Kevin. I had heard of this crank bearing issue, but didn't quite understand the real problem. Now with your explanation and demonstration I understand clearly. Have 60k+ miles on my 03 TC88... knocking on wood (my noggin') that I won't need to do this conversion any time in my future of owning this bike. Thanks again for taking us along for the education. Sorry didn't catch the live feed. Looking forward to next episode...

  • @hijodelantorchanunya1572
    @hijodelantorchanunya1572 3 роки тому +4

    Excellent as always. Can't wait for the next installment

  • @an88mtdew2u5
    @an88mtdew2u5 3 роки тому +6

    Keep 'em coming bro, thanks.

  • @gwattsjr
    @gwattsjr 3 роки тому +6

    Great video. Can you explain the difference between tapered rods vs full width rods and why someone would choose one over the other when purchasing a new flywheel?

  • @rudy8216
    @rudy8216 10 місяців тому

    Absolutely perfect episode to start the new bearing switch over. Kevin you so good at sharing this kind of info and you are the best.

  • @travishughes257
    @travishughes257 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks!! You’re a great teacher and explain things so well!

  • @charlesbritton7186
    @charlesbritton7186 2 місяці тому

    Awesome video! Suggestion? Countersinking the holes prior to tapping is a better procedure, it also provides a lead for the tap. (Sorry my 35+ yrs as a journeyman machinist talking...)

  • @paulypaulypauly8011
    @paulypaulypauly8011 3 роки тому +3

    Very nice Kevin. Thanks for doing that - I’d always wondered about the process and it was good to see a competent and no nonsense explanation of it.

  • @bobgoes4129
    @bobgoes4129 3 роки тому +3

    Now that is more better, love the machining and the the technical information. Bob

  • @bfereclipse156
    @bfereclipse156 2 роки тому

    I appreciate the video. My shop said I’ve got too much runout and need to rebuild but this definitely shows why it cost so damn much but I see why it’ll be so much better than stock. Awesome video!👍🏽👍🏽

  • @wilfredstinissen8309
    @wilfredstinissen8309 2 роки тому +1

    Hello Kevin, thanks a lot for posting this video. You explain it damn well. Thank you!!!!!!

  • @Ladder8A
    @Ladder8A 2 місяці тому

    Fantastic video, you would be a great instructor for new motorcycle mechanics.

  • @thorout8377
    @thorout8377 2 роки тому

    Best video so far mate

  • @Simbo551
    @Simbo551 3 роки тому +1

    Great start Kevin looking to the next video. stay frosty my friend.

  • @lancecourts5943
    @lancecourts5943 3 роки тому

    Honestly man
    Best teacher ever
    These are the best videos.

  • @richedmundson8964
    @richedmundson8964 3 роки тому +3

    Educational as always!

  • @coryknipe5471
    @coryknipe5471 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks from Canada! Excellent video

  • @that_mdrfkr4451
    @that_mdrfkr4451 3 роки тому +5

    This is awesome brother. Thank you.

  • @blastmasterparker6358
    @blastmasterparker6358 3 роки тому

    Great channel really good job on the vids and the expertise and u make it easy to watch

  • @flstffatboy3910
    @flstffatboy3910 2 роки тому +2

    So much information from this channel thank you 🙏 guys

  • @danielbates4137
    @danielbates4137 3 роки тому +2

    Man sorry and I hate I missed the live stream I unfortunately got covid and was napping. I had my evo motor reworked and did a temkin bearing conversion on mine (said my mechanic) but he didn't do the bottom end it was pistons,cam and heads so not really sure which bearings were changed lol. Great video as always

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому +1

      all evo's were timken...so there would be no need for a conversion.

    • @danielbates4137
      @danielbates4137 3 роки тому

      Oh ok well maybe he uncharged me then😫 thanks for the knowledge kevin ur the best

  • @JoseMorales-vw4qf
    @JoseMorales-vw4qf Рік тому

    You r the man. Your knowledge is a gift. Thanks for sharing it.

  • @derrickhillier1173
    @derrickhillier1173 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks Kevin for another tech upgrade tip.You wonder,besides manufacturing costs,why HD didn't do this upgrade off the assembly line?The customer has to pay through the nose to acquire one a HD.

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому

      lower cost and quicker production...

  • @stevewehner9540
    @stevewehner9540 3 роки тому +1

    Great video
    I was almost waiting on a basics of thrust when I was watching.. Lol

  • @tgmidnightrider2831
    @tgmidnightrider2831 Рік тому

    Excellent information Mr. Baxter thanks for providing your work in action.😎💪🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @markjensen8372
    @markjensen8372 3 роки тому +1

    I really love in the videos this is a great series I'm learning tons I really can't wait I have you build my motor

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому

      Glad you enjoy it! I look forward to that as well!

  • @jazzboy
    @jazzboy 2 роки тому

    Absolutely top shelf work!

  • @dannpd1955
    @dannpd1955 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video Kevin. I never knew any of that. Way cool.

  • @rabo99
    @rabo99 6 місяців тому

    Amazing work!

  • @jonz5978
    @jonz5978 3 роки тому +2

    Great video! Thank you for your time.

  • @Dachamp2001
    @Dachamp2001 3 роки тому +1

    Very very detailed video. My buddy had his whole engine done with the Timken barring. I went the easy way out lol. I ordered a S&S 124 create engine. After doing the math it was cheaper. My buddy wanted a full on street and strip engine I'm fine with just a street sweeper. But I would like to swap out the s&s 585 for andrews 67G 😆

  • @readtheinstructions1407
    @readtheinstructions1407 3 роки тому +7

    As Spock would say...."Fascinating"

  • @heraldlee8112
    @heraldlee8112 2 роки тому

    Thanx for sharing. Great step by step work

  • @generalpatten5043
    @generalpatten5043 3 роки тому +1

    Darn! I wish I had seen the premiere of this video. I have seen another Ytube presenter saying that from 99-02 was a timken bearing setup on the 88's. Kevin at the beginning of this video says it was changed in 02. I have an 2002 88 and would really like to clarify which bottom end I have.....

    • @tomskinner6640
      @tomskinner6640 3 роки тому

      I’ve research this subject in depth and all state 99-02 are tapered timken

  • @getoffmygrass6974
    @getoffmygrass6974 3 роки тому +2

    Exact reason I bought my 02 TC, along with I wanted a controlled fuel leak not injection. Such a great video Kevin. What if you already have a timkin bearing, do you just do a new set up? Thanks Kevin, learn a little more every time. Your Patreon is worth it’s weight in gold on knowledge alone.

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you Sully. Youve mentioned Patreon a couple of times. Maybe i should look into that. If it is a timken case, the races would be pressed out, new ones back in, and then same procedure from there.

    • @getoffmygrass6974
      @getoffmygrass6974 3 роки тому +1

      @@KevinBaxter Thank you Kevin, much appreciated. Sorry about saying Patreon, I was thinking the donation monthly was done through Patreon. None the less, worth every penny.

  • @Nifilheimur
    @Nifilheimur 2 роки тому

    My Road King is 2000 mod so already has the timken bearing so i dont really know why im watcing this but i enjoyed it anyway and learned quite a bit so thumbs up (=

  • @jimkillen1065
    @jimkillen1065 3 роки тому

    Nice work . Both of my motors have Timken bearings and gear drive cams . I heard that it is not necessary not that I carried . I thought it was for my build and I still do . Thanks for showing how its done and where to get it done

  • @alfonsoguzman2099
    @alfonsoguzman2099 2 роки тому

    Very informative. Thank you

  • @GriffinPhenom
    @GriffinPhenom 3 роки тому +1

    Love the video , Thank you for sharing . Great teacher very clear and understandable.

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it! thank you

  • @PeterSmith-or3pq
    @PeterSmith-or3pq 2 роки тому

    A year , a day . Great job ! . Like the Jims kit ,

  • @michaelmorgan5714
    @michaelmorgan5714 3 роки тому +2

    Just out of curiosity is that the same oil I used as an electrician to cut pipe threads.If so the jug used to state that the sulfur was there to help prevent infections in cuts witch happen to every body that works with their hands. I was hopping to watch this live but was drawn to the TV right before hand. I guess some times idiots happen. Great really great video. You have gotten very good at passing on information. Thank You. Mike from Maryland

    • @michaelmorgan5714
      @michaelmorgan5714 3 роки тому

      Oops. I must have come back and pushed the button again. I'm old and I shows.

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому

      i had heard the same thing...but never confirmed. but yes....because it's universal for all materials and works for milling, turning, and tapping operations.

  • @arnoldriedinger9581
    @arnoldriedinger9581 3 роки тому +1

    Hello from Beaumont tx

  • @tonyjohnson7008
    @tonyjohnson7008 3 роки тому +2

    This is so good!

  • @silvakevin1
    @silvakevin1 2 роки тому

    Thanks for these videos! Learning so much. Haha. Like why I would pay you to do it. You’re very talented....

  • @scotttucker8127
    @scotttucker8127 3 роки тому +1

    Kevin the 2002's have the Timken bearing in them

  • @magoolew5131
    @magoolew5131 Рік тому

    I was just going to ask you about Tap-Magic when you mentioned it. We used to use it a lot drilling and tapping where I used to work while drilling and tapping aluminum.

  • @garyclay7140
    @garyclay7140 3 роки тому +3

    This is another excellent video, You did a good job explaining the laws of physics, complex engine dynamics, forces, and load that the crankshaft goes through. I love the Timken Bearing Conversion and see the value in the upgrade.
    The video left me wondering what would be the extra cost in the upgrade, If you were rebuilding a Twin Cam or M8?
    Again,, THANK You for shearing your knowledge with us.

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому +2

      All about lower cost and speeding up production. Thanks Gary!

  • @stevenielsen3240
    @stevenielsen3240 3 роки тому +1

    Like the video , it's nice to see what you're doing

  • @kerrylewis2581
    @kerrylewis2581 3 роки тому +7

    Great video but I'd like to know how much HD actually saved by deleting the Timken bearing. Did they have to delete because of the change in accepted tolerances of the crank?

    • @KevinBaxter
      @KevinBaxter  3 роки тому +1

      as for how much saved? hard to say. but it came down to cost and faster production.

    • @markchapman2411
      @markchapman2411 3 роки тому +2

      Cylindrical roller bearings are super cheap when compared to tapers, especially with a matched set as used in this video.

  • @thomaskirkpatrick4031
    @thomaskirkpatrick4031 Рік тому

    After that great explanation of all the forces at play on the crankshaft, flywheel assembly, you've got to wonder what was Harley thinking when they did away with the TIMKEN bearing? It has to be all about cutting costs.

  • @Red66gp
    @Red66gp 2 роки тому

    Great video.

  • @stevemontgomery3979
    @stevemontgomery3979 3 роки тому +1

    Good information. Keep on keeping on

  • @phils4285
    @phils4285 3 роки тому +1

    Hi @Kevin Baxter, what is the implication of you drilling the holes without the sleeve in place? Would they than be a tad deeper and the oil ones slightly shifted inwards as the thickness of the sleeve offsets otherwise? From my reading of Jims instructions for this procedure, they do it with the sleeve installed.

  • @kct9967
    @kct9967 3 роки тому

    A few years back I did a SE 117 conversion, but HD didn't sell the Timkin conversion kit yet, and said that it wasn't necessary, luckily Jim's had them, I can't see running any kind of performance engine without it.

  • @rickswindell1964
    @rickswindell1964 3 роки тому +2

    You’re the man!!

  • @jeffhudson1744
    @jeffhudson1744 3 роки тому

    great video.

  • @PedroTF
    @PedroTF 2 роки тому

    I've never had a Harley, but this is a master mechanic sharing real knowledge, it's great to see.
    What year would make for a more robust longer lasting engine for Harleys, if you were to keep it stock?

  • @Tommy.McLean
    @Tommy.McLean Рік тому +1

    Brilliant!!! ☝️

  • @eddiealvarez5493
    @eddiealvarez5493 2 роки тому

    Damn Kevin, what can one say? But great work! Keep it coming.👊

  • @dieterglauser249
    @dieterglauser249 3 роки тому

    THANKS KEVIN 🌎

  • @stickmanrick2700
    @stickmanrick2700 3 місяці тому

    Very cool big thank you

  • @jessemaier8681
    @jessemaier8681 3 роки тому

    Well done! Thank you.

  • @TheDanno1026
    @TheDanno1026 2 роки тому

    I'm having my 96ci twin cam built now to 110 did Timken bearing conversion and going gear driven cam

  • @1towmater1
    @1towmater1 3 роки тому

    I agree with everything you discussed, and timken was the first to produce tapered roller bearings but there is other manufacturers of tapered roller bearings if very high quality. I'm a fan of timken but am not committed to just their bearings

  • @jobuck893
    @jobuck893 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for sharing

  • @chriszasada9756
    @chriszasada9756 8 місяців тому

    Wow, never knew how much movement there was on the crank and cases

  • @yoso585
    @yoso585 3 роки тому +3

    It seems best that I baby my 88 around from here on out and give up all my imaginary racing. Put, Put, Put. Thank goodness those D&D Fat Cat will still sound just as mean and narly.

  • @davidmitchell9048
    @davidmitchell9048 3 роки тому +1

    Great Info! Thanks

  • @darrellalsobrook4491
    @darrellalsobrook4491 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you!

  • @sidneysnottley6414
    @sidneysnottley6414 3 роки тому

    Thanks ... Bloody interesting.

  • @petestransit
    @petestransit 3 роки тому

    Great information, thank you.
    How do I get a jims conversion kit to suit 2013 dyna here in Australia?

  • @montewolf3570
    @montewolf3570 Рік тому

    Please do a show about trilling the flywheels

  • @pb68slab18
    @pb68slab18 Рік тому

    Wow, what's new is old again. Before 1955, Harley Big Twins used individual rollers and shims. When they wore, ya honed or replaced the sprocket shaft race and thrust plates to fit bigger rollers. I machined quite a few old Pan, Knuck, and BT Flathead LH cases for the '55-up twin cone Timken set.

  • @002gearhead
    @002gearhead 3 роки тому

    As a person who deals and sales bearings everyday not only is there Timken there is multiple other premium bearings out there ie SKF, INA is a premium bearing and they also a Timken bearing is a brand of bearing

  • @thomaskirkpatrick4031
    @thomaskirkpatrick4031 Рік тому +1

    TIMKEN bearing run out measured with a precision dial indicator. INA bearing run out measured with a yard stick. Any questions?

  • @drumsnbass
    @drumsnbass 3 роки тому

    I’m curious how much the bean counters at Harley are saving not using the Timkin bearings from the get go. Any idea?

  • @devinhutman3435
    @devinhutman3435 3 роки тому +1

    I’m always eyeballing that fxr in the background haha

  • @davidfreet581
    @davidfreet581 2 роки тому +1

    Was there a particular month in 2002-2003 of production that Harley changed to the roller bearing setup?