I would disagree that season 4 was not well-received. Season 4 is usually regarded as the best release. It was "season 5" the icebrood saga, which people didn't like.
@@2nd3rd1st Some parts, yes. However IBS had a lot of stuff wrong with it, especially for the time it was released. Ppl were hoping for a new expansion as that's usually what attracts a lot of new players but instead we got another living world season and they basically said that there won't be any expansions in the near future. This alone rang a lot of alarm bells. Add to that no new elite specs or anything to compensate for it, no voice acting for a few episodes due to covid (which wasn't anet's fault ofc, but added to the feeling of IBS just being underwhelming), strike missions meaning raids were being discontinued, which was a huge blow to the already small raiding community, the masteries were poorly designed, lots of long gaps between episodes and the last episode being known as one of the worst pieces of content they've ever delivered with just horrible storytelling. I'd say IBS is one of the most worst remembered periods for the game during its cycle. A few years later now I do actually enjoy it (except the last episode) but during its release it was one of the most contentious pieces of content ever.
@@lasgin99wifI understand your opinions about IBS, but I think that most players thought that it started out strong, but was gutted and cut short, because they decided to make the Cantha expansion and didn’t have the resources to do both well, so IBS was severely affected and shortened, to get EoD released sooner.
@@traveling.down.the.road56 It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of a large chunk of the player basis. Ppl were expecting a third expansion in its place but we got a living world season. Which I know we got after but I'm saying that because people have been rather critical since the beginning of it. I know why IBS ended up the way that it did with EOD.
The mounts are first in class. My new pve rotation is Skyscale fireball > Skyscale dismount attack > standard rotation Alternate rotation is Skyscale elevate > gryphon dive > gryphon dismount attack > standard rotation
Lol the guild wars alpha footage, if it wasn't for the skins I wouldn't have been able to tell its actually Guild Wars. I have never heard of or seen this, thanks!
I absolutely agree, though EoD is significantly weaker than HoT and PoF which were both masterpieces. Though don't get me wrong, EoD was still pretty great.
Yes GW1 Broke the rules with the Hero/Henchmen system, but Hero's are probably the number 1 reason GW1 still has a pretty healthy population to this day. Especially this time of year when so many players return for the Holiday Festivals. Drop into LA on Halloween, and GL trying to get on the first 10 servers. Its still a great game for casual players. I still play at least once a week with a small group of friends some of who have played since launch.
I played Guild Wars 1, it was an incredible PvP experience. Hall of Heroes and GvG were superbly designed. When they created GW2 their reflection of GW1 was reliance on the trinity concept being too restrictive for entry. So GW2 was modelled on solo self sustaining builds that could be played together in instances and organised PvP. Gw1 was a superior PvP model IMHO
"The game that will reshape the MMO genre as a whole." I mean it took awhile but in a way, it did. Other MMOs now take cues from Guild Wars 2. It didn't COMPLETELY redefine the MMO genre but it certainly found it's place and offers MMO players something different.
yeap. that is correct. I doubt we'll see any mmorpg that will completely redefine the genre anytime soon. Probably we'll see new systems that'll be new and used by other mmorpgs.
@@ryuno2097guild wars 2 flipped the traditions of the MMO industry on their head in a way no other game has, yeah it's not industry redefining but it's about as different as it can be.
Wow. I remember watching the GW2 Angry Joe review. Can't believe that review is already 11 years old. Time flies so fast man and you just dont realize it.
Thanks for explaining the history 😁 as a filthy casual myself i appreciate this. So far ive been loving most of the content in gw2. I guess in the course of 10 years you really gonna have a mix bag on ppl's opinions since you have veterans with high expectations and newbs or casuals who are moderately satisfied with the experience.
This is really cool! I dont play wow but I saw people making sort of retrospective videos about the past and I've been wanting to see people do the same for guild wars. Even though I've been a big fan for a long time I still loved watching this! I'll be curious to see how the years to come fit into anet and guild wars history too
GW1 was the greatest game ever made. The aspects you list as negatives even are some of the things that made it special and kept it alive for so long. The instances towns for example created a great sense of community. This is the first time ever, and I played from basically release, that I've heard anyone say it is a bad thing.
Good stuff, miss this game every day. Terrific mmo, I hope the mmo's to come steal from Gw2 shamelessly. Best value for money no sub, just endless hours of fun. I appreciate your coverage as the biggest negative on this game is the publisher is horrible at promoting this game. This should already be on all 3 main console's.
Some would argue that the WoW Dragonflight devs took inspiration from GW2 for their dragonriding system, which is kinda a mix of WoW's usual flying mechanic (unlimited constant velocity in the direction you point) with the Griffon (High Speed dynamic movement). While having dynamic mount movement is always a good idea and not necessarily a shameless theft- they must've been aware of it as GW2 is one of their biggest competitors besides FFXIV, especially as they were looking for new features to spice up new expansions
@@LisaSummers1988 I haven't played Wow Dragonflight so I give them the benefit of the doubt. But we all know who did it first and who still does it best hahaha
As a Norn guy I was so disappointed with Icebrood Saga. I expected Norn inspired guildhall and a story centered mainly around Norns. Instead we got Charr drama on Shiverpeaks.
So I found you after I went onto a bit of a UA-cam spiral regarding the review that Lazy Peon made. My personal opinion about him asside I just wish that He gave the game the proper review it deserves. As mentioned below Anet is very bad at marketing, tbh I believe that is their superpower, so when a UA-camr in the MMO space makes such a shallow and empty review, it can really kill the influx of new players. Coming from WoW I just love this game, it was a slow romance, in the beginning it was more of an affair because I was mad at WoW and then as I gave the game time it truly became my home. So I want to see this game succeed, now this game has issues and there are points regarding the SotO expansion that could have been more polished. However, like Mukuluk said 'His constant reference to GW3' was so underhanded and his comment about novelties, honestly makes the game come across as just a cheap Korean MMO. So with my rant out of the way, thank you for making content that really gives the game a fair shot. Looking forward to supporting the channel and seeing it grow. If ever you start streamin make sure to add it to your videos so we can start following you there as well. XD
all the game footage you see at the beginning of this video with cartoon like graphics were from an early prototype of the game that was never publicly available. The actual game art for Guild Wars 1 much more polished and fantasy art style, it looks very similar to Guild Wars 2 as they had the same art director and team on both. First gameplay footage of actual graphics for Guild Wars 1 can be seen at @1:40 . Another important point, Guild Wars 1 was NEVER marketed as an MMORPG. The team behind it were on the Diablo team at Blizzard and they were aiming to make a on-line RPG game that could be played solo, designed to have a story to be progressed through solo and with end-game multiplayer content, similar to Diablo but with an more open world field and more robust play mechanics (build system). The Guild vs Guild structured PvP in Guild Wars 1 far superseded GW2. It was the best PvP experience I've had in any game. It was players who decided to claim "this is a poor MMORPG" because it didn't behave as they expected. ArenaNet should have known what god damn idiots gamers are. Guild Wars 1 was and continues to be an excellent game, built by some the brightest minds who worked on the original Diablo. Guild Wars 2, which is an MMORPG, went on to redefine what an MMORPG should be.
In a way GW2 accomplished it's goal - just not to it's own major success. It did redefine the genre in many ways, but stumbled around so much in terms of game direction and post-release marketing that it allowed the competition (like WoW and FF XIV) to copy much of what it innovated on along their major content updates, staying or surging ahead in popularity, while GW2 kept meandering around with concepts and experiments like Living World - rather than capitalising on it's strengths like the combat system and cooperative design, pumping out marketable Expansions with group/guild and endgame content. It's still a fantastic game and my favourite MMO by far, but by settling for being the extremely casual solo/play alone together, hop in for a bit and drop again underdog, it imo definitely wasted most of it's incredible potential. I'll always maintain that GW2 could have easily been Nr.1 in the genre, if Anet had properly committed to it (rather than funnelling it's revenue into other, ultimately cancelled, projects - leading to the massive layoffs) as well as better leadership with a proper and consistent vision for the game.
Uh, FF14 does not allow you to "mix classes", and even when it involved a multiclass mechanic, it was very key specific "role" abilities. That's not multiclassing.
I played GW1 for 2 years then moved to WoW and then GW2. I have never heard of GW2 being the WoW killer like every other MMO that has come out. GW2 just kinda did it’s own thing.
Season 3 > PoF > Season 4 is gw2 at its peak. I hope it’s a mistake because season 4 was absolutely fucking brilliant Also when it comes to story EoD is miles better than HoT. Maps, events etc in HoT are better than EoD for sure but still… the HoT story was just not good. Voice acting was bad, story was too fast paced because basically after City of Hope you have 5 instances left. Nightmare court and Malyck story were cut. HoT story just went too fast to tell the story. You can play HoT in about 5h. EoD is more fleshed out, cutscenes are better, voice acting is better, the pace is better.
I think each expansion has things it did well, I struggle to compared them because open world and story and achievements are all very different activities sometimes Personally I found S3 Story more fascinating and fun but S4 maps a fair bit more enjoyable, rewarding, and deep. EOD was great for me- not perfect but it's continued to steadily grow on me, especially since its maps are so friendly to return to and have good player traffic- player density is usually sufficient where it needs to be for satisfying events. PoF is kinda lopsided in many zones.
Why did you use the ugly alpha build footage for your GW1 Prophecies segment, which doesn't represent the actual game graphics at all? There is so much promotional footage out there, and you could even record your own, it doesn't cost much to buy these days.
WTF ?! Not seeing people outside citys "ruined" the game?! are you crazy? thats the freakin best feature of that game. To not share the world with randoms that just come accros to steal your boss, your monsters, your loot, your quest whatever. by the way im looking for gw1 accounts :P
GW2 seemed more like Diablo to me than WoW. We beat a seemingly endless number of mobs and gradually move from one point of the map to another, clearing them out. While in WoW we jump from dungeon to dungeon or do quests.
@@iamArahad yes i think he means the section where you show only alpha content, presented as guild wars footage, which looked early simmilar to WoW, before the game carved its own identity and art style. only with the guild wars factions part, you start showing actual guild wars 1 footage. its a bit confusing at first, espatialy because those alpha footage stuff was for a long time not publicly availeble.
Everything about gw1 was excellent. Nothing about gw2 approached being "good", let alone being on par with gw1. And if you look at its current Welfare support, you wonder if they have 7 developers in charge of creating content for the game. Pretty pathetic what this IP has become, but then again, its been over 11 years, and the title has been irrelevant for at least 9 of these 11 years, so yea.
@@MrAw3sum Compared to what? If you compare any expansion in gw2 to gw1, they're so mediocre that downloading them for $5 would be a ripoff. The only good thing PoF gave us that was "fun" were elite specs, and absolutely nothing else. And that's from the perspective of someone who plays daily for 3h+. If you're playing casualy, then sure, even the latest shithole of an expansion is most likely good enough. But this is an mmo, mmo's are played a lot, and when an expansion comes out, its supposed to expand the experience, which none of the expansion in gw2 did.
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I would disagree that season 4 was not well-received. Season 4 is usually regarded as the best release. It was "season 5" the icebrood saga, which people didn't like.
Yeah, I think he confused season 5 with season 4. Praise Joko!! What a season..!!
People liked Icebrood Saga though.
@@2nd3rd1st Some parts, yes. However IBS had a lot of stuff wrong with it, especially for the time it was released. Ppl were hoping for a new expansion as that's usually what attracts a lot of new players but instead we got another living world season and they basically said that there won't be any expansions in the near future. This alone rang a lot of alarm bells. Add to that no new elite specs or anything to compensate for it, no voice acting for a few episodes due to covid (which wasn't anet's fault ofc, but added to the feeling of IBS just being underwhelming), strike missions meaning raids were being discontinued, which was a huge blow to the already small raiding community, the masteries were poorly designed, lots of long gaps between episodes and the last episode being known as one of the worst pieces of content they've ever delivered with just horrible storytelling.
I'd say IBS is one of the most worst remembered periods for the game during its cycle. A few years later now I do actually enjoy it (except the last episode) but during its release it was one of the most contentious pieces of content ever.
@@lasgin99wifI understand your opinions about IBS, but I think that most players thought that it started out strong, but was gutted and cut short, because they decided to make the Cantha expansion and didn’t have the resources to do both well, so IBS was severely affected and shortened, to get EoD released sooner.
@@traveling.down.the.road56 It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of a large chunk of the player basis. Ppl were expecting a third expansion in its place but we got a living world season. Which I know we got after but I'm saying that because people have been rather critical since the beginning of it. I know why IBS ended up the way that it did with EOD.
Dont forget the original guild wars you couldnt jump, but they went Caligula crazy in guild wars 2 and added insane jumping puzzles.
The mounts are first in class.
My new pve rotation is Skyscale fireball > Skyscale dismount attack > standard rotation
Alternate rotation is Skyscale elevate > gryphon dive > gryphon dismount attack > standard rotation
GW2 has been my go-to game since it released, such a creative masterpiece.
Lol the guild wars alpha footage, if it wasn't for the skins I wouldn't have been able to tell its actually Guild Wars. I have never heard of or seen this, thanks!
There is no bad expansion for me in this game...wherever I go, PoF maps, HoT maps, IBS map I always enjoy every minute of it...
I absolutely agree, though EoD is significantly weaker than HoT and PoF which were both masterpieces.
Though don't get me wrong, EoD was still pretty great.
Yes GW1 Broke the rules with the Hero/Henchmen system, but Hero's are probably the number 1 reason GW1 still has a pretty healthy population to this day. Especially this time of year when so many players return for the Holiday Festivals. Drop into LA on Halloween, and GL trying to get on the first 10 servers. Its still a great game for casual players. I still play at least once a week with a small group of friends some of who have played since launch.
As a new dad gamer: thank for Anet for this horizontal mmo!
Yo this video is amazing. Just the thing i was searching for on a nice day with a coffee. Sad it isn't longer. Thanks for sharing
Getting lvl20 in pre searing ascalon in gw. That’s dedication.
They made it sort of easy
I played Guild Wars 1, it was an incredible PvP experience. Hall of Heroes and GvG were superbly designed. When they created GW2 their reflection of GW1 was reliance on the trinity concept being too restrictive for entry. So GW2 was modelled on solo self sustaining builds that could be played together in instances and organised PvP. Gw1 was a superior PvP model IMHO
I didn't know any of this about GW as a franchise or Arenanet as a company. Really good walk through history! Thanks for the great video!
"The game that will reshape the MMO genre as a whole." I mean it took awhile but in a way, it did. Other MMOs now take cues from Guild Wars 2. It didn't COMPLETELY redefine the MMO genre but it certainly found it's place and offers MMO players something different.
yeap. that is correct.
I doubt we'll see any mmorpg that will completely redefine the genre anytime soon. Probably we'll see new systems that'll be new and used by other mmorpgs.
@@ryuno2097guild wars 2 flipped the traditions of the MMO industry on their head in a way no other game has, yeah it's not industry redefining but it's about as different as it can be.
Even WoW copied their new mount system form GW2.
Wow. I remember watching the GW2 Angry Joe review. Can't believe that review is already 11 years old. Time flies so fast man and you just dont realize it.
This is a great video, excellent editing. I love GW2 and wanted a better understanding of the lore and timeline. Keep it up
lovely vidéo thank you very much. I could never find myself in gw2, i am still playing gw1 more than 15 years after its release !
Never say never! You might find yourself loving GW2 someday in the future if you give it a chance.
Thanks for explaining the history 😁 as a filthy casual myself i appreciate this. So far ive been loving most of the content in gw2. I guess in the course of 10 years you really gonna have a mix bag on ppl's opinions since you have veterans with high expectations and newbs or casuals who are moderately satisfied with the experience.
This is really cool! I dont play wow but I saw people making sort of retrospective videos about the past and I've been wanting to see people do the same for guild wars. Even though I've been a big fan for a long time I still loved watching this! I'll be curious to see how the years to come fit into anet and guild wars history too
GW1 was the greatest game ever made. The aspects you list as negatives even are some of the things that made it special and kept it alive for so long. The instances towns for example created a great sense of community. This is the first time ever, and I played from basically release, that I've heard anyone say it is a bad thing.
Good stuff, miss this game every day. Terrific mmo, I hope the mmo's to come steal from Gw2 shamelessly. Best value for money no sub, just endless hours of fun. I appreciate your coverage as the biggest negative on this game is the publisher is horrible at promoting this game. This should already be on all 3 main console's.
Some would argue that the WoW Dragonflight devs took inspiration from GW2 for their dragonriding system, which is kinda a mix of WoW's usual flying mechanic (unlimited constant velocity in the direction you point) with the Griffon (High Speed dynamic movement). While having dynamic mount movement is always a good idea and not necessarily a shameless theft- they must've been aware of it as GW2 is one of their biggest competitors besides FFXIV, especially as they were looking for new features to spice up new expansions
Insperation. Its a shameless copy. A bad quality at that. To think they called the idea their own and never seen before, is a rightout shameless lie.
@@LisaSummers1988 I haven't played Wow Dragonflight so I give them the benefit of the doubt. But we all know who did it first and who still does it best hahaha
As a Norn guy I was so disappointed with Icebrood Saga. I expected Norn inspired guildhall and a story centered mainly around Norns. Instead we got Charr drama on Shiverpeaks.
As a Charr player I was very happy with IBS.
This was a really engaging and well done video and your voice is excellent. You deserve much more viewers than you currently have.
Started GW with Factions - playing GW since then.
Gosh..I'm old ._.
loved 1. hated 2. i reinstalled one recently... the main menu sound track brought back memories. good ones from early 2000's. good memories.
why hating? Whats the reason?
So I found you after I went onto a bit of a UA-cam spiral regarding the review that Lazy Peon made. My personal opinion about him asside I just wish that He gave the game the proper review it deserves. As mentioned below Anet is very bad at marketing, tbh I believe that is their superpower, so when a UA-camr in the MMO space makes such a shallow and empty review, it can really kill the influx of new players. Coming from WoW I just love this game, it was a slow romance, in the beginning it was more of an affair because I was mad at WoW and then as I gave the game time it truly became my home. So I want to see this game succeed, now this game has issues and there are points regarding the SotO expansion that could have been more polished. However, like Mukuluk said 'His constant reference to GW3' was so underhanded and his comment about novelties, honestly makes the game come across as just a cheap Korean MMO.
So with my rant out of the way, thank you for making content that really gives the game a fair shot. Looking forward to supporting the channel and seeing it grow. If ever you start streamin make sure to add it to your videos so we can start following you there as well. XD
all the game footage you see at the beginning of this video with cartoon like graphics were from an early prototype of the game that was never publicly available. The actual game art for Guild Wars 1 much more polished and fantasy art style, it looks very similar to Guild Wars 2 as they had the same art director and team on both. First gameplay footage of actual graphics for Guild Wars 1 can be seen at @1:40 . Another important point, Guild Wars 1 was NEVER marketed as an MMORPG. The team behind it were on the Diablo team at Blizzard and they were aiming to make a on-line RPG game that could be played solo, designed to have a story to be progressed through solo and with end-game multiplayer content, similar to Diablo but with an more open world field and more robust play mechanics (build system). The Guild vs Guild structured PvP in Guild Wars 1 far superseded GW2. It was the best PvP experience I've had in any game. It was players who decided to claim "this is a poor MMORPG" because it didn't behave as they expected. ArenaNet should have known what god damn idiots gamers are. Guild Wars 1 was and continues to be an excellent game, built by some the brightest minds who worked on the original Diablo. Guild Wars 2, which is an MMORPG, went on to redefine what an MMORPG should be.
In a way GW2 accomplished it's goal - just not to it's own major success. It did redefine the genre in many ways, but stumbled around so much in terms of game direction and post-release marketing that it allowed the competition (like WoW and FF XIV) to copy much of what it innovated on along their major content updates, staying or surging ahead in popularity, while GW2 kept meandering around with concepts and experiments like Living World - rather than capitalising on it's strengths like the combat system and cooperative design, pumping out marketable Expansions with group/guild and endgame content.
It's still a fantastic game and my favourite MMO by far, but by settling for being the extremely casual solo/play alone together, hop in for a bit and drop again underdog, it imo definitely wasted most of it's incredible potential.
I'll always maintain that GW2 could have easily been Nr.1 in the genre, if Anet had properly committed to it (rather than funnelling it's revenue into other, ultimately cancelled, projects - leading to the massive layoffs) as well as better leadership with a proper and consistent vision for the game.
Why do you use alpha footage for prophecies?
warhammer online AOR had public quests before GW2 did
Uh, FF14 does not allow you to "mix classes", and even when it involved a multiclass mechanic, it was very key specific "role" abilities. That's not multiclassing.
great video
16:27 WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?! :D
but overall great video good job :)
I played GW1 for 2 years then moved to WoW and then GW2. I have never heard of GW2 being the WoW killer like every other MMO that has come out. GW2 just kinda did it’s own thing.
19:45 hey hey hey now EoD is some people's favorite expansion
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Season 3 > PoF > Season 4 is gw2 at its peak. I hope it’s a mistake because season 4 was absolutely fucking brilliant
Also when it comes to story EoD is miles better than HoT. Maps, events etc in HoT are better than EoD for sure but still… the HoT story was just not good. Voice acting was bad, story was too fast paced because basically after City of Hope you have 5 instances left. Nightmare court and Malyck story were cut. HoT story just went too fast to tell the story. You can play HoT in about 5h. EoD is more fleshed out, cutscenes are better, voice acting is better, the pace is better.
I think each expansion has things it did well, I struggle to compared them because open world and story and achievements are all very different activities sometimes
Personally I found S3 Story more fascinating and fun but S4 maps a fair bit more enjoyable, rewarding, and deep.
EOD was great for me- not perfect but it's continued to steadily grow on me, especially since its maps are so friendly to return to and have good player traffic- player density is usually sufficient where it needs to be for satisfying events. PoF is kinda lopsided in many zones.
ah yes, the "absence of the holy trinity", or how we gw2 players call it: boonheal, boondps, dps
Sooooo, listening to you, the game is shit. Well, good that I've listen to you 10 years too late... I would have been missing a great game.
Why did you use the ugly alpha build footage for your GW1 Prophecies segment, which doesn't represent the actual game graphics at all? There is so much promotional footage out there, and you could even record your own, it doesn't cost much to buy these days.
Guild Wars > Guild Wars 2
WTF ?! Not seeing people outside citys "ruined" the game?! are you crazy? thats the freakin best feature of that game. To not share the world with randoms that just come accros to steal your boss, your monsters, your loot, your quest whatever. by the way im looking for gw1 accounts :P
GW2 seemed more like Diablo to me than WoW. We beat a seemingly endless number of mobs and gradually move from one point of the map to another, clearing them out.
While in WoW we jump from dungeon to dungeon or do quests.
I miss TERA. They could make TERA 2.
Your not alone in that, or even reboot Tera 1 in some kind of maintenance mode.
grrrr The holy trinity did not include DPS .
If you talk about Guild Wars 1 at the start of the Video, dont show WoW content. Very confusion to watch and misleading
Where did i exactly show WoW content? It's all guild wars mate, do you mean the GW alpha at the start of the video?
@@iamArahad yes i think he means the section where you show only alpha content, presented as guild wars footage, which looked early simmilar to WoW, before the game carved its own identity and art style. only with the guild wars factions part, you start showing actual guild wars 1 footage. its a bit confusing at first, espatialy because those alpha footage stuff was for a long time not publicly availeble.
That was guild wars alpha content
That was how it looked like
Still somewhat criminal to show that much alpha content without label..
Everything about gw1 was excellent. Nothing about gw2 approached being "good", let alone being on par with gw1. And if you look at its current Welfare support, you wonder if they have 7 developers in charge of creating content for the game. Pretty pathetic what this IP has become, but then again, its been over 11 years, and the title has been irrelevant for at least 9 of these 11 years, so yea.
ok dude
@@BAAa-tw7lo I too would accept GW2 being dogshit, so don't worry, you're not the only one.
Path of fire was fun idk man
@@MrAw3sum Compared to what? If you compare any expansion in gw2 to gw1, they're so mediocre that downloading them for $5 would be a ripoff. The only good thing PoF gave us that was "fun" were elite specs, and absolutely nothing else. And that's from the perspective of someone who plays daily for 3h+. If you're playing casualy, then sure, even the latest shithole of an expansion is most likely good enough. But this is an mmo, mmo's are played a lot, and when an expansion comes out, its supposed to expand the experience, which none of the expansion in gw2 did.
Wow is dogshit to me.. I like gw2