Thats what i was thinking before i read your comment. Im looking at a SP2 used in my area now. Im used to Ducati's and Aprilia sport bikes but the most I've had is my 20 Panigale V4S. And i still wanted more.
When the first V4R was announced my Ducati dealer told me it would reach 60 000$ easy due to the parts used to make it. The « only » 40 000$ asked was the biggest surprise of the year… I own both the V4R and I had the chance to visit Ducati’s ateliers in Italy and talk with two of the guys of the Corse department. The V4R is a model in itself. Nothing can be compared between an S an an R in terms of attention paid to each moto. I don’t have the carbon wheels but the magnesium ones on the motos and yes, you feel like there’s no front wheel because of the abnormal lack of inertia. The SP ones are known to be very efficient too but more like a « gentlemen’s riders super toys », they are easier to ride on tracks and they forgive more gears mistakes than the R thanks to the different engines (more torque).Hydraulics are also harder to set on the R but work way better once correctly balanced. The prices are very close once fully equipped except that the SP can run with the standard exhaust while the R must run with the ultra expensive race exhaust, unless you want to have the fastest barbecue in town (engine cannot cool enough without it). To end my experience, the better softness of the engine of the R is the same story at BMW between the S1000RR and the M1000RR. The attention paid to the parts and the building of the motors are not the same (and so are the prices).
Thank you! So if something is broken on the R - your done :D Because i really want one but the 2021 version of the R with magnesium wheels... Im really adicted to Ducati... and to the new panigale... i also have a 996s to but thats my "oldie" in the Garage. And i dont want to sell it because of spareparts for the R :D
As you own both, how do the 2018 and 2023 4VR compare? I made the decision that I will buy a 4VR last week and was assuming it would be a 2023 but then I read a review of both and the '23 was said to be just like the '18 but with the engine mgmt. software just being more advanced and less of a beast than the '18. That made me think I might enjoy the '18 more (a former AMA Expert License holder in Motocross and Road Race and a Daytona 200 racer).
Probably the best looking super sport bikes in the market now. You could gaze at it all day and feel orgasmic hearing the exhaust sound. Pure art pieces. I would basically buy one to keep inside the house if I have the means. Great video explaining the subtle differences of both bikes.
@andreisames3021 what would you say is probably the best sports bike old and new that will last a long time without needing any repairs or maintenance issues
Ridden both with full Akra. Personally own a 20R. SP2 when pinned to full braking back to pinned is a violent experience that overtime is tiring, hence one lap time attack. Whereas the R can be ridden pinned to braking to pinned 100x over before you feel that exhaustion. I don’t have carbons on my 20R, however I got to ride the new 23R with carbons makes a huge difference but the clutch is the big piece, it revs faster.
I just bought the SP2 a month ago. It was between that and the R model. They’re all sold out here in SoCal. I traded my 2019 V4S for the SP2. In earlier videos I felt like Mani had always favored the S over the R models for its torque and 1100 cc engine. Meanwhile, iB is definitely pro R model. I feel like you can’t go wrong with either bike but for street riding, softer suspension, less expensive maintenance, the carbon wheels and Rizoma rearsets already coming stock on the SP2, and $5K cheaper, I think the SP2 was the better choice. The black matte color was also a strong selling point. Right now I’m debating on which exhaust system to get. I don’t like the Akra wheel barrel exhaust so it’s between the Akra slip on silencers or the all black Termi slip ons that Jaret Campisi installed on his SP1 giveaway bike. The SP2 is the best bike I have ever ridden in my life.
@@2_Bike_is_Life Thanks bro…I’m leaning toward those…not to mention it’s $2K cheaper than the Akra silencers. Self install looks fairly straightforward and I’m considering trying, to save even more money. And no need to buy the lower fairing. The SP1 lower fairing is all black while the SP2 has the red color way so it won’t match or blend as well as it does with the SP1. Still, I am digging the Termi.
I think the biggest difference in character between the two is the fact that the sp2 has the bigger 1103cc engine but the v4r has the rev happy 1000cc version to meet the homoligation rules.
@@ArvindSingh-hf2zd the higher the spin the lower the engine durability. Got too much money ? buy an R. goot too much money but still a little bit of a brain buy the S
@@Motomillion No my SP2 is fine so far but had and incident with my V4R. At delivery I made it barely a quarter of a mile from the dealer before it stalled on me. The dealer came and picked up the bike and basically advised me the next day the clutch pressure plate was not installed correctly from factory and now they had to order a new clutch assembly for my bike! They were able to install the original plate back but has scratches on it so ducati is going to replace the clutch assembly! Took me almost 2 days short from a month of paying for the bike before I was able to take it home.
The 2022 World Superbike Champion Alvaro Bautista is just 5'4 , nothing to be ashamed off when the world champion himself is so short, it's all about skills.
V4r has a different sprocket ratio. If you translate it to only rear sprocket difference is 4 additional teeth. Only this can make the bike feeling much different. If course different engine internal different mapping makes the bike complete different in behaviour.
@@Motomillion The Akra's are typical. I want something Different and Brutally Loud haha. I was Looking at The All black Termis. TOCE performance make nice looking exhausts as well and very brutal. Arrow is nice too but I dont care for the exhaust stickin out. Haha 🤘🏼
Maybe its different in the states but up here in Canada the R is nearly $10 000 more than the sp2 and the R does not come standard with carbon wheels, rear sets or a dry clutch.
This R is already been modified. The wheels and rear sets have been changed. It does come with a dry clutch, in Canada they do as well, it is just not exposed, there is a cover over it. $10000 CAD is about $7400 USD, which is just about the price difference between the R and the SP2 in the States.
I have a ‘24 V4R and a ‘24 SFV4S. The V4R is much different than the V4S. The engine is completely different, the suspension is completely different, the dry clutch is different from the ones used on SP2 equipped with a dry clutch, the ergonomics felt much different to me compared to the SP2 and V4S. The throttle is much crisper. The shifting is crisper/ more precise than the SP2 and V4S. The wheels are slightly heavier on the V4R stock to stock, but the overall package of the bike is lighter on the V4R. If you add some BST carbon wheels, the bike is even more nimble. The V4R is not as forgiving on bad inputs, it does what it’s told. So you can get in trouble if not careful. Overall, the V4R is just a more precise/ focused bike. Now whether that is worth the premium to you, especially if you get one equipped with Akra race exhaust is a different matter. Riding the V4R feels a little more special like a treat. Everyday riding it’s not the bike I chose. The only thing that bothers me is that I really wish Ducati had made the 30th Anniversary bike based on the V4R vs the SP2.
How do they compare in terms of heat? Just received my 23 V4R here in the Miami area as well. I find it impossible to ride with the stock exhaust. Thanks for all the great videos.
Very very hard decision. Might have to go with the SP2 since it has more inherent Ducati character and also servicing is less of an issue when compared to the V4R.
I have 1 question I’m about 5ft7 and probably my next bike would be either the V4 R or the V4 SP2 so which one would be more comfortable to ride on the street 🤔
The WSB race bike is a RS version that will cost you well over 100k. It’s based on the R, but has a different swing arm, forks, shock, brakes and more.
@@Motomillion loved it bro. Very in-depth plus things I never knew. I have the 1199 panigale ecu flashed and compared to what you describe on those, omg I want that V4R. How you described how smooth it is, I owned several different Ducatis I never experienced that.
I think I still like the look of the SP2 more....I had an 888sp4 in 1994/5, the v4r has the same livery, with the '1' on the number boards as well ! It's a shame wsbk don't have a limit of 25 k dollars fof the base bike, then I could afford one too 🙂
cen·trif·u·gal force nounPhysics noun: centrifugal force; plural noun: centrifugal forces an apparent force that acts outward on a body moving around a center, arising from the body's inertia.
@@Motomillion centrifugal force, a radial force that has direction outward from the center of the rotating mass and gyroscopic effect, a force that stabilises a rotating mass making any axial disturbance harder because it has to overcome it, it's like a neutral to any axial force applied to a rotating mass and it is proportional to the rotation speed- so, how does centrifugal force explain the counter rotating crankshaft? What benefits you get from it , And how does the gyroscopic force explain it and what are the gains? Well you have multiple gyroscopic forces from wheels , gears , pinion, sprocket creating one big gyroscope because the forces adds up, and by reversing the crankshaft you actually subtract what would have been added to that force, hence less axial force needs to be applied to counteract the gyro hence having a bike that leans easy even at very high speeds and RPM 👍, and now when you rev it higher you can, at certain speeds, to even make it 0 gyro , what means 0 force to lean the bike 🤘now, the centrifugal force is counter acted by centripetal force, which is the forces between the atoms and molecules that hold the mass together, once that force is overcomed by the centrifugal one, u get disintegration of the rotating mass, exploding wheels etc
I get the engine is different in the V4R compared to SP2 as the SP2 is simply a V4 / V4S with a lot more add-ons. But when you look at the V4R you are literally getting a V4 with just a different engine and dry clutch. The R literally has the same wheels, brake calipers, levers, rear sets as the V4S. All of those parts are different on the SP2. Considering the cost of the R vs SP2 I feel they really should have added a few extra accessories that are included standard on the SP2 to the R. You are literally paying more than an SP2 for a different engine, dry clutch and name. I get the R is still more favorable given the circumstance. Is it really worth it over the SP2? Not considering whether it's for street or track use.
I bought the SP2 in June 2023, it was one of the only few remaining in Southern California. The R was also available and I debated a long time between the 2. In the end, I chose the SP2 because I was mainly going to ride it on the street. I don't ride on the track at all. Watching all of Mani's older videos, he seemed to be more of the base, S, and SP2 fan over the R but in this video he really admired the R. I still think Mani is more partial to the SP2 over the R, though. But I also chose the SP2 over the R because I liked to matte black livery, and the fact that it already came with carbon wheels and the Rizoma rear sets. Thus far on my SP2, I've only modded it for aesthetic purposes, adding the carbon mud guard, carbon side frame covers, WRS windscreen, and the black Termi slip-on under-belly exhaust. I also modded the chain and sprockets. I plan to get the R in the future and just have both bikes. But truly, the SP2 is the best bike I have ever ridden. Then again, I've not ridden the R yet but hope to one day.
I have a ‘24 V4R and a ‘24 SFV4S. The V4R is much different than the V4S. The engine is completely different, the suspension is completely different, the dry clutch is different from the ones used on SP2 equipped with a dry clutch, the ergonomics felt much different to me compared to the SP2 and V4S. The throttle is much crisper. The shifting is crisper/ more precise than the SP2 and V4S. The wheels are slightly heavier on the V4R stock to stock, but the overall package of the bike is lighter on the V4R. If you add some BST carbon wheels, the bike is even more nimble. The V4R is not as forgiving on bad inputs, it does what it’s told. So you can get in trouble if not careful. Overall, the V4R is just a more precise/ focused bike. Now whether that is worth the premium to you, especially if you get one equipped with Akra race exhaust is a different matter. I really wish Ducati had made the 30th Anniversary bike based on the V4R vs the SP2.
Cool breakdown of both bikes. What do you mean about a bike being focused on time attacking though? I understand a bike being track focused. But I’m still a little confused about the SP. I’m still a noob to riding.
How does the R load up compared to the S? I owned a 21 S and that thing would jump out of its skin at 8K. The tq hit was incredible. Does the R feel anything like that, or does it feel more like a liter Japanese bike?
@motomillion if you had the choice of purchasing the new panigale v4s and decking it out with parts OR purchasing a 24 V4R and just adding a dry clutch cover, which would you do? I have a deposit on the new panigale but I feel like I'm going to spend a lot to get the bike to feel just half as special as the v4r.
I have yet to ride a new 2025 but they are very different bikes when you compare the 2024's together. I would chose a non R bike because of the wear and tear of that new dry clutch and the cost of changing it.
I struggle to see the point in riding either of them on the road. After I took my SP2 on the track I bought another bike for the road. 🤷♂️ Thanks for the interesting comparison though. When the V4R I was announced I assumed it was simply a mildly upgraded version of the previous model. Have you ridden the previous model?
Yes, both are street legal. Hard to pick which is the top of the line. In terms of price, the V4 R is more expensive, however it is also a homologation bike. So it was made with the intent of being used in WSBK racing series. The V4 SP2 is not a homologation bike, so Ducati did not have to adhere to regulations with it Both are a joy to ride and amazing machines!
Really thank you! The V4R might be the more unique bike but what happens if u have to by spare parts or service? Im not the super rich guy but i can afford the amout of money to buy it but want about the costs (exlucding tires, because i need much more then other people :D I really want to buy and ceep this thing.. I also have a 996s and a Adventure 790R totally build so its not the only bike in the Garage :D
@@Motomillion in reality the R and the SP are a misery to ride on the road, I have the SL 1299 and I gave up riding it on the road, such a highly tuned engine running at 4 to 5k rpm is ridiculous to ride, also the heat from it is painful around the town. So when the Xtrenta came out it made more sense, the price was the same as it cost me to build my 1199 to a lesser spec! But if you want to impress people around town I guess it works, funny thing is more people take notice of my 749 than my SL! Thanks for the vid like them all good work.
Centrifugal it is. Centripetal force is the force REQUIRED for circular motion. Centrifugal force is the force that makes something flee from the center.
@@Motomillion you could have googled it but yeah go ahead and be hard about being an iDīoT. The centrifugal force is not a “real” force - the tendency to fly outwards is observed because objects that are moving in a straight line tend to continue moving in a straight line. This is called inertia, and it makes objects resistant to the force that makes them move in a curve. From google
If you ride street, take the SP2. If you track seriously/race, take the V4R. Both are fantastic!
They definitely are! The RC8C can be the track one though, and SP2 for the street :)
Thats what i was thinking before i read your comment. Im looking at a SP2 used in my area now. Im used to Ducati's and Aprilia sport bikes but the most I've had is my 20 Panigale V4S. And i still wanted more.
Power not ego. I could care less about that I'm addicted to speed.
When the first V4R was announced my Ducati dealer told me it would reach 60 000$ easy due to the parts used to make it. The « only » 40 000$ asked was the biggest surprise of the year… I own both the V4R and I had the chance to visit Ducati’s ateliers in Italy and talk with two of the guys of the Corse department. The V4R is a model in itself. Nothing can be compared between an S an an R in terms of attention paid to each moto. I don’t have the carbon wheels but the magnesium ones on the motos and yes, you feel like there’s no front wheel because of the abnormal lack of inertia. The SP ones are known to be very efficient too but more like a « gentlemen’s riders super toys », they are easier to ride on tracks and they forgive more gears mistakes than the R thanks to the different engines (more torque).Hydraulics are also harder to set on the R but work way better once correctly balanced. The prices are very close once fully equipped except that the SP can run with the standard exhaust while the R must run with the ultra expensive race exhaust, unless you want to have the fastest barbecue in town (engine cannot cool enough without it). To end my experience, the better softness of the engine of the R is the same story at BMW between the S1000RR and the M1000RR. The attention paid to the parts and the building of the motors are not the same (and so are the prices).
Amazing that you own both! And very nice information here. Thank you!
Thank you! So if something is broken on the R - your done :D Because i really want one but the 2021 version of the R with magnesium wheels...
Im really adicted to Ducati... and to the new panigale... i also have a 996s to but thats my "oldie" in the Garage.
And i dont want to sell it because of spareparts for the R :D
As you own both, how do the 2018 and 2023 4VR compare? I made the decision that I will buy a 4VR last week and was assuming it would be a 2023 but then I read a review of both and the '23 was said to be just like the '18 but with the engine mgmt. software just being more advanced and less of a beast than the '18. That made me think I might enjoy the '18 more (a former AMA Expert License holder in Motocross and Road Race and a Daytona 200 racer).
Really cool info Mani. Amazing pair of machines . Lookin good Ib . Congrats .
Probably the best looking super sport bikes in the market now. You could gaze at it all day and feel orgasmic hearing the exhaust sound. Pure art pieces. I would basically buy one to keep inside the house if I have the means. Great video explaining the subtle differences of both bikes.
The V4R ‘s livery is really beautiful!
you will have the means. speak it into existence and align with it!
Lol Look nice but sht I'll a probably need repairs in 2 years or less electric sport bikes are better
no they're not
@andreisames3021 what would you say is probably the best sports bike old and new that will last a long time without needing any repairs or maintenance issues
Ridden both with full Akra. Personally own a 20R. SP2 when pinned to full braking back to pinned is a violent experience that overtime is tiring, hence one lap time attack. Whereas the R can be ridden pinned to braking to pinned 100x over before you feel that exhaustion. I don’t have carbons on my 20R, however I got to ride the new 23R with carbons makes a huge difference but the clutch is the big piece, it revs faster.
That you for your comment given your experience with them!
damn why is that?
I just bought the SP2 a month ago. It was between that and the R model. They’re all sold out here in SoCal. I traded my 2019 V4S for the SP2. In earlier videos I felt like Mani had always favored the S over the R models for its torque and 1100 cc engine. Meanwhile, iB is definitely pro R model. I feel like you can’t go wrong with either bike but for street riding, softer suspension, less expensive maintenance, the carbon wheels and Rizoma rearsets already coming stock on the SP2, and $5K cheaper, I think the SP2 was the better choice. The black matte color was also a strong selling point. Right now I’m debating on which exhaust system to get. I don’t like the Akra wheel barrel exhaust so it’s between the Akra slip on silencers or the all black Termi slip ons that Jaret Campisi installed on his SP1 giveaway bike. The SP2 is the best bike I have ever ridden in my life.
They are very different, the SP2 definitely would be the choice of most, given all the points you mentioned.
Black Termis, without a doubt for looks and sound. I have them on my V4SP and they look factory the way they blend into the bodywork.
@@2_Bike_is_Life Thanks bro…I’m leaning toward those…not to mention it’s $2K cheaper than the Akra silencers. Self install looks fairly straightforward and I’m considering trying, to save even more money. And no need to buy the lower fairing. The SP1 lower fairing is all black while the SP2 has the red color way so it won’t match or blend as well as it does with the SP1. Still, I am digging the Termi.
Termi all the way!
@@bensahar215 I’m about to pull the trigger on the Termi😁
V4R it is! I asked the guys as the dealership this question & got no answer other than they are both sick. Thanks for posting the video!
No problem! Thank you for watching and commenting.
@ItsAGundam No way. I had no idea you were into bikes, Gundam. Nice.
@@ColdDream224 People forget I track ride when I get the chance.
In love with both of them. A bunch of my Ducati buddies have them and such a pleasure to see and hear in person.
They give all the right emotions! Beautiful bikes for sure.
I think the biggest difference in character between the two is the fact that the sp2 has the bigger 1103cc engine but the v4r has the rev happy 1000cc version to meet the homoligation rules.
Look at the maintenance difference / win Sp2
@@ArvindSingh-hf2zd the higher the spin the lower the engine durability.
Got too much money ? buy an R. goot too much money but still a little bit of a brain buy the S
Felling good right now I am lucky to have both of these 2023 model track monsters...!
Definitely lucky! Is your SP2 leaking as well though?
@@Motomillion No my SP2 is fine so far but had and incident with my V4R. At delivery I made it barely a quarter of a mile from the dealer before it stalled on me. The dealer came and picked up the bike and basically advised me the next day the clutch pressure plate was not installed correctly from factory and now they had to order a new clutch assembly for my bike! They were able to install the original plate back but has scratches on it so ducati is going to replace the clutch assembly! Took me almost 2 days short from a month of paying for the bike before I was able to take it home.
Definitely appreciate the real world feedback!!!!
Thank you!
Always appreciate your info and opinions great video!
Glad you like them! Thank you!
We get it mani youre a ducati fanboy 👍🏻
No he’s just a person with logic,cause Ducati is doing pretty good in Racing right now
Cause they make good bikes now, duh
I’ve said it many times, I like all types of bikes. Ducati happens to make some of the most exciting superbikes now.
Ducati is destroying every bike series where it counts. It’s not hype.
If that’s a jab, give me both. They will watch me and hardly notice you.
Honestly. I'll take both. SP2 for daily riding on the street/meetups. The R would be purely for track with slicks. Done deal!
What a duo!
A race spec bike with have a slightly lower seat and higher front end. This prevents the rear wheel endo on super hard breaking.
Thank you for a great insight of these two gorgeous bikes. For me, I'd go with the SP2 because of the dry clutch and rawness.
Good choice!
the r doesnt have the dry clutch?
yes, it does as well@@afonsosoares3722
the v4r also has a dry clutch
yes it sure does
@@johnnyhun1
My dream bike is V4 but I tall just 5ft , One day Ill buy this thing and watch it all days no need to ride it.
The 2022 World Superbike Champion Alvaro Bautista is just 5'4 , nothing to be ashamed off when the world champion himself is so short, it's all about skills.
just got a 23' V4R with a few thousand miles. In love with it already. Need to pick up some parts from you tho ;)
I really like that how they pointed the nissan ❤️❤️❤️ 4:35
Both are just breathtaking 😍😍
Yes they really are!
What up CJ after you get the Aprilia finished you need to collab with Mani and y’all can race. Battle of the Italians!!
@@Final_Boss_Racing I have to learn to ride first ☠️🤣
@@CJMediaOfficial I’m sure Mani would be more than happy to give you a few pointers.
Damn im really enjoying your videos, great job and keep it up!
Thanks Dado!
V4r has a different sprocket ratio. If you translate it to only rear sprocket difference is 4 additional teeth. Only this can make the bike feeling much different. If course different engine internal different mapping makes the bike complete different in behaviour.
In terms of power band yes, but the inherent feel of the bikes are completely different, regardless of the ratio of the gearing.
Again amazing video Mani. 2 amazing bikes!
Thanks again!
Both beautiful bikes…I’m hoping to pick up my first Ducati very soon
A streetfighter V2
Can’t wait
Good choice!
For me i would take the V4R there is something about the bike that attracts me more to it.
I love my 23V4s. Got the Rizoma mirrors as well. Cant decide what exhaust to get yet. I just look at it all day 😂
The factory Akra options are great!
@@Motomillion The Akra's are typical. I want something Different and Brutally Loud haha. I was Looking at The All black Termis. TOCE performance make nice looking exhausts as well and very brutal. Arrow is nice too but I dont care for the exhaust stickin out. Haha 🤘🏼
wich one will be better for roll racing and mods?
None.
Beautiful machines ,Great insight thank u
Our pleasure!
Great video mani 👏 ❤❤
Thank you 😁
All the ❤ & respect from the other Coast
Thank you!
Thank you!
if I had to choose between the two, I would choose the ducati panigale SP2, I like the all black one
It is even nicer when the black is all carbon!
@@Motomillion yeah that’s what I’m going to do if I have SP2
Maybe its different in the states but up here in Canada the R is nearly $10 000 more than the sp2 and the R does not come standard with carbon wheels, rear sets or a dry clutch.
This R is already been modified. The wheels and rear sets have been changed. It does come with a dry clutch, in Canada they do as well, it is just not exposed, there is a cover over it. $10000 CAD is about $7400 USD, which is just about the price difference between the R and the SP2 in the States.
Thanks Manny, Love it 👌🏻👌🏻
Glad you liked it!
Just amazing man you are the best
Thank you so much 😀
SP2 is on my bucket list. I need to find understand the time attack profile better.
An amazing bike.
I have a ‘24 V4R and a ‘24 SFV4S. The V4R is much different than the V4S. The engine is completely different, the suspension is completely different, the dry clutch is different from the ones used on SP2 equipped with a dry clutch, the ergonomics felt much different to me compared to the SP2 and V4S. The throttle is much crisper. The shifting is crisper/ more precise than the SP2 and V4S. The wheels are slightly heavier on the V4R stock to stock, but the overall package of the bike is lighter on the V4R. If you add some BST carbon wheels, the bike is even more nimble. The V4R is not as forgiving on bad inputs, it does what it’s told. So you can get in trouble if not careful. Overall, the V4R is just a more precise/ focused bike. Now whether that is worth the premium to you, especially if you get one equipped with Akra race exhaust is a different matter. Riding the V4R feels a little more special like a treat. Everyday riding it’s not the bike I chose. The only thing that bothers me is that I really wish Ducati had made the 30th Anniversary bike based on the V4R vs the SP2.
Love it hopefully one day i can own one 😍
You can do it!
@@Motomillion thanks for the support 🙏🏻
Ducati Panigale V4 SP2 is the beauty of speed and performance 😍😍😈😈
Definitely beautiful!
How do they compare in terms of heat? Just received my 23 V4R here in the Miami area as well. I find it impossible to ride with the stock exhaust. Thanks for all the great videos.
They are warm, but it has been crazy hot in Miami lately too!
@@Motomillionwhich of the two runs hotter though? Thanks
@@devilspin6649spoiler alert, they are the same .
🔥🔥 grande tío Pipe
Sounds like you would take the V4R over the SP2 if you had to choose? Both look amazing!
Very very hard decision. Might have to go with the SP2 since it has more inherent Ducati character and also servicing is less of an issue when compared to the V4R.
@@Motomillionone of my reasons plus the SP4 offers more for less.
can't wait for the release of my 2024 Ducati Panigale v4 SP2 30th Anniversario 916 this coming Nov. 15
You will be so happy you waited!
I have 1 question I’m about 5ft7 and probably my next bike would be either the V4 R or the V4 SP2 so which one would be more comfortable to ride on the street 🤔
V4R for sure is more comfortable and a more relaxed ride for street.
Thank you 😊
Thank you!
That’s a badass Nissan in the back.
Good eye!
Can you show a Trackday instead? Like the videos too for sure. But show us how it performs. 😊
I don't race, but I really like the V4R. There's something special about a liter bike that can rev as high as an R6.
The WSB race bike is a RS version that will cost you well over 100k. It’s based on the R, but has a different swing arm, forks, shock, brakes and more.
Who's better for your opinion?
That was good review
Thank you, glad you liked it.
@@Motomillion loved it bro. Very in-depth plus things I never knew. I have the 1199 panigale ecu flashed and compared to what you describe on those, omg I want that V4R. How you described how smooth it is, I owned several different Ducatis I never experienced that.
I’m in process of buying an R
Amazing machine! Congrats from now!
I think I still like the look of the SP2 more....I had an 888sp4 in 1994/5, the v4r has the same livery, with the '1' on the number boards as well ! It's a shame wsbk don't have a limit of 25 k dollars fof the base bike, then I could afford one too 🙂
No matter its Ducati 1098 or a ❤ V4 Ducati always wins my heart ❤️
Hey Manny when u say they shake a little bit, u mean like the Aprilia does on take off?
Aprilia is smooth compared to this. The traditional V4 engines just shake while just even running, where as the new V4R is much more balanced.
Witch one broke first
From using it, normal use
V4R hasn't broken. SP2 is still leaking oil.
@@Motomillion $40K bike leaking oil lol
Great Video. I'm In the market SOOO your money which are you buying!?😊
Both if possible, totally different bikes!
I love how they just snuck that Nissan 300ZX by. LOL
Cool car!
Great vid!, one thing : its not the centrifugal force that you refer, its the gyroscope effect of a rotating mass
cen·trif·u·gal force
nounPhysics
noun: centrifugal force; plural noun: centrifugal forces
an apparent force that acts outward on a body moving around a center, arising from the body's inertia.
@@Motomillion centrifugal force, a radial force that has direction outward from the center of the rotating mass and gyroscopic effect, a force that stabilises a rotating mass making any axial disturbance harder because it has to overcome it, it's like a neutral to any axial force applied to a rotating mass and it is proportional to the rotation speed- so, how does centrifugal force explain the counter rotating crankshaft? What benefits you get from it , And how does the gyroscopic force explain it and what are the gains? Well you have multiple gyroscopic forces from wheels , gears , pinion, sprocket creating one big gyroscope because the forces adds up, and by reversing the crankshaft you actually subtract what would have been added to that force, hence less axial force needs to be applied to counteract the gyro hence having a bike that leans easy even at very high speeds and RPM 👍, and now when you rev it higher you can, at certain speeds, to even make it 0 gyro , what means 0 force to lean the bike 🤘now, the centrifugal force is counter acted by centripetal force, which is the forces between the atoms and molecules that hold the mass together, once that force is overcomed by the centrifugal one, u get disintegration of the rotating mass, exploding wheels etc
Dont know why I keep on watching your channel,, I dont even have 1 bike
And you My Friend . Just explained why WSBK is The Best Racing series on the planet 🌎 and I don’t just mean 2 wheels.
The battle between Bautista and Toprak last week was epic!
I get the engine is different in the V4R compared to SP2 as the SP2 is simply a V4 / V4S with a lot more add-ons. But when you look at the V4R you are literally getting a V4 with just a different engine and dry clutch. The R literally has the same wheels, brake calipers, levers, rear sets as the V4S. All of those parts are different on the SP2. Considering the cost of the R vs SP2 I feel they really should have added a few extra accessories that are included standard on the SP2 to the R. You are literally paying more than an SP2 for a different engine, dry clutch and name. I get the R is still more favorable given the circumstance. Is it really worth it over the SP2? Not considering whether it's for street or track use.
The suspension and suspension geometry is also different.
I bought the SP2 in June 2023, it was one of the only few remaining in Southern California. The R was also available and I debated a long time between the 2. In the end, I chose the SP2 because I was mainly going to ride it on the street. I don't ride on the track at all. Watching all of Mani's older videos, he seemed to be more of the base, S, and SP2 fan over the R but in this video he really admired the R. I still think Mani is more partial to the SP2 over the R, though. But I also chose the SP2 over the R because I liked to matte black livery, and the fact that it already came with carbon wheels and the Rizoma rear sets. Thus far on my SP2, I've only modded it for aesthetic purposes, adding the carbon mud guard, carbon side frame covers, WRS windscreen, and the black Termi slip-on under-belly exhaust. I also modded the chain and sprockets. I plan to get the R in the future and just have both bikes. But truly, the SP2 is the best bike I have ever ridden. Then again, I've not ridden the R yet but hope to one day.
I have a ‘24 V4R and a ‘24 SFV4S. The V4R is much different than the V4S. The engine is completely different, the suspension is completely different, the dry clutch is different from the ones used on SP2 equipped with a dry clutch, the ergonomics felt much different to me compared to the SP2 and V4S. The throttle is much crisper. The shifting is crisper/ more precise than the SP2 and V4S. The wheels are slightly heavier on the V4R stock to stock, but the overall package of the bike is lighter on the V4R. If you add some BST carbon wheels, the bike is even more nimble. The V4R is not as forgiving on bad inputs, it does what it’s told. So you can get in trouble if not careful. Overall, the V4R is just a more precise/ focused bike. Now whether that is worth the premium to you, especially if you get one equipped with Akra race exhaust is a different matter. I really wish Ducati had made the 30th Anniversary bike based on the V4R vs the SP2.
wow amazing.
Appreciate it!
Cool breakdown of both bikes. What do you mean about a bike being focused on time attacking though? I understand a bike being track focused. But I’m still a little confused about the SP. I’m still a noob to riding.
Ducati calls it the "Time Attack" bike, which means a vehicle that is meant to do one fast lap. Not necessarily to go racing.
How does the R load up compared to the S? I owned a 21 S and that thing would jump out of its skin at 8K. The tq hit was incredible. Does the R feel anything like that, or does it feel more like a liter Japanese bike?
@motomillion if you had the choice of purchasing the new panigale v4s and decking it out with parts OR purchasing a 24 V4R and just adding a dry clutch cover, which would you do? I have a deposit on the new panigale but I feel like I'm going to spend a lot to get the bike to feel just half as special as the v4r.
I have yet to ride a new 2025 but they are very different bikes when you compare the 2024's together. I would chose a non R bike because of the wear and tear of that new dry clutch and the cost of changing it.
I struggle to see the point in riding either of them on the road. After I took my SP2 on the track I bought another bike for the road. 🤷♂️ Thanks for the interesting comparison though. When the V4R I was announced I assumed it was simply a mildly upgraded version of the previous model. Have you ridden the previous model?
Yes rode the previous model quiet a bit, totally different in terms of feel for sure.
@@Motomillion Amazing, and not at all what I expected. 👍
@@Motomillion Amazing, and not at all what I expected. 👍 In terms of handling, I wonder how much can be attributed to the wheels.
What is the top of the line is it the sp2?, They are both street legal right?
Yes, both are street legal. Hard to pick which is the top of the line. In terms of price, the V4 R is more expensive, however it is also a homologation bike. So it was made with the intent of being used in WSBK racing series. The V4 SP2 is not a homologation bike, so Ducati did not have to adhere to regulations with it
Both are a joy to ride and amazing machines!
Ducati panigale v4sp2 is the Ultimate bike 💯👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
So those being the rules how does honda have the RC213 V4 ??
4:35 - The Nissan 300ZX photobombed you 😏
Really thank you! The V4R might be the more unique bike but what happens if u have to by spare parts or service?
Im not the super rich guy but i can afford the amout of money to buy it but want about the costs (exlucding tires, because i need much more then other people :D
I really want to buy and ceep this thing.. I also have a 996s and a Adventure 790R totally build so its not the only bike in the Garage :D
They are all under warranty at this point. Spare parts are not an issue at all, widely available.
Spent almost 9:52 talking about everything except the differences between the bikes 😂
I think you are in love with that V4R... 🤣
Just amazed how different it feels.
@@Motomillion Did you remove the 'foil' that is over the carbon of the exhaust? So your carbon pops out more?
I want to know who's better for your opinion?
IB actually lowered the bike. It's in his video of the service cost of his V4R
"Time attack" when referencing the SP?
Yes, they call the SP bikes their time attack bikes.
What's up with the forks on these two !?
Sp2 electronic, V4 R manual.
Thanks !@@Motomillion
SP2 for me :)
Just an awesome machine!
Nice comparison, 👌🏾👌🏾
V4r vs v4sp2 which is faster??
Depends on the setting.
Mani will you exchange your r1 for a RE GT 650 ? Please 😗
They are always overpriced but if price is not a problem then they are still the best...It cost double the price of a Yamaha R1m here in my country..
Almost double here in the States too.
@@Motomillion 👍🏻
How tall are you?
Only to mention that the front spoilers are horrendous.
I would remove them from the bike😢
Amazing machine but I can’t still afford it neither one of them.
One day!
I like the 300zx
We do too!
can 5.6ft guy ride V4s
May be a little too tall.
V4r all the way. ❤
Shake = Vibration, right?
Vibrations from the engine running, not balance of the wheels.
SP2. ❤
RC46 with RC212V 2007 body kit.
Why so braindead
300zx z32!!!!❤❤❤
Yo' someone is stealing your Z in the background.... Lol
Not mine, but it is a very cool car!
I thought about it…..then bought the Xtrenta
Xtrenta is not road legal though.
@@Motomillion in reality the R and the SP are a misery to ride on the road, I have the SL 1299 and I gave up riding it on the road, such a highly tuned engine running at 4 to 5k rpm is ridiculous to ride, also the heat from it is painful around the town. So when the Xtrenta came out it made more sense, the price was the same as it cost me to build my 1199 to a lesser spec! But if you want to impress people around town I guess it works, funny thing is more people take notice of my 749 than my SL! Thanks for the vid like them all good work.
The answer is the Desmosadici d16rr
both bikes nice difference is engine
Also suspension geometry and the suspension itself too.
Brooo IV BEEN SPELLING YOUR NAME WRONG THE WHOLE TIME!?! Mani not Mannie or Manny .. Ay nice shirt btw MANI , always wear cool Tees brother
Thank you John!
People forget the 2023 bagnaia replica and the bautista replica, they are actually much more expensive than sp2 and r
Tittle says ultimate, not the most expensive?
@@Motomillion yeah, i wasnt criticizing, just wanna remember people those fantastic bikes exist 😅
v4r homologation bike made for the track, sad its probably never gonna see the track just highway pulls and street squiding
Does it really matter?
So like every other liter bike 😂😂😂
It’s actually centripetal force…not centrifugal
Centrifugal it is.
Centripetal force is the force REQUIRED for circular motion. Centrifugal force is the force that makes something flee from the center.
@@Motomillion you could have googled it but yeah go ahead and be hard about being an iDīoT.
The centrifugal force is not a “real” force - the tendency to fly outwards is observed because objects that are moving in a straight line tend to continue moving in a straight line. This is called inertia, and it makes objects resistant to the force that makes them move in a curve.
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Am i write? If not than correct me!
Very subjective topic!
@@Motomillion according to you.
V4r the best