I made the shift back to Gutenberg a couple of months ago. I’ve effectively travelled full circle from vanilla WP through Visual Composer, Beaver Builder and Elementor to GeneratePress, then Blocks and back to Gutenberg. Controlling dynamic data has always been the most important aspect for me and so as Gutenberg slowly got to grips with this I’ve weened myself off Elementor and gone back to basics.
@@marksson After being fully signed-up to Elementor I am now a dedicated Gutenberg fan. It can do everything you need - including all of that dynamic data. Less bloat is King.
I'm not sure why everyone feels they have to choose. use Guten for pages you need to rank. Use Elementor for landing pages or pages that you want to visually look nicer. However speed can be address by a decent hosting company or better yet get on a VPS. Just my 2 cents.
Why not use Elementor for pages you want to rank? (Sorry absolute beginner here, after playing around with Gutenberg and Elementor a bit, I find Elementor the only usable option right now. So basically I hope I can use Elementor and still get ranked on Google.)
I think these Gutenberg based editors are good if you are the one that’s actually working on client sites but clients would have difficulty using it, they will most likely mess things up. I think providing acf or meta box fields for clients to edit the text is still the easiest for clients
I can only assume that you have been drinking the CoolAid 😁Wasted 3 days converting a site from Elementor, only to revert back. It will have to improve a great deal before I leave Elementor and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Not bashing on elementor but if you worked on WordPress before elementor, you'll hardly notice the need for it. In fact the reason I got into elementor was when I had too many clients and had to hire a help, she introduced me to elementor and then I just had to learn it in order to make changes to the websites she designed with elementor.
GenerateBlocks Pro, Stackable, WPCodeBox, and JetEngine are what I've been using lately. I like WPCodeBox for adding custom CSS so I can see it live while building. I was using Oxygen but with their latest debacle, I jumped ship. I've been getting great page load speeds with this setup. So far I'm happy with Gutenberg.
Think you are right: the new direction is to follow the simply power of Gutenberg. This will be the future of WP in my opinion. Because we need to remain "simple". I'm a DIVI user ready to jump into the new reality. Ciao
I've tried several FSE plugins, but I think Gutenverse is best suited for me, they have a friendly interface for new users like me, who want to try switching from Elementor to FSE , also they have various blocks which are very helpful in customizing a website. Has anyone tried it and agree with me?
Love your perspective and will be looking at you videos from now on. Keep the Gutenberg For WordPress drive alive. Because of you I'm making the move. Thank you. 😎🤟👍
Switched to Gutenberg, from Elementor, about 2 months ago. Converted all my websites and shops to Blocksy plus Kadence and/with Stackable. Everything runs much muuuch smoother. And I'm not afraid of updating plugins anymore, even on my dev machine.
@@ARNBNDL why not? it's not like when using Elementor and a bunch of add-ons. You can mix Greenshift blocks, Kadence blocks, GeneratePress blocks with Blocksy theme.
I abondonned Divi, Elementor, ... a long time ago and switched to Kadence. As I ran into some limitations I switched to Oxygen Builder. With the recent developments I started looking into Bricks which at this moment also has its limitations. Just little things that do not work as I would want them to. I'm also looking to go on the Gutenberg route again and Cwickly seems very promising. The only drawback I see is the link with ACF (you never know what will happen to that) and no integration with for instance Metabox at this moment.
@@webdesign-lokeren, in fact, switching from tools like Elementor, Divi and others to Blocks (whether Kadence, GeneratePress, Stackable and etc, or, Gutenberg himself), will make us strange at first and we will feel these limitations, as well as the learning curve ahead. the way they each have their own workflow. On this point, I also agree with you. However, Kadence's Full Bundle brings us the Shop Kit, which even in its Beta version has already proven to be very stable and brings the ability to create Loops, Archives and Single Product Pages to customize WooCommerce. These 3 items may not seem like much, but for most Stores it already solves numerous customization problems that previously required hours of work with code inspection and Custom CSS. I believe that today, we cannot demand that this type of tool for Gutenberg brings us the tons of Widgets that Elementor gives us, for example. In my opinion, the most advanced among all the options is Cwicly (although I have reservations about the built-in ACF, but that's my view).
@@DenisonCarlosMS I totally agree with that. Kadence wiil keep on improving. I just sometimes feel limited by the oredefined blocks and settings that are possible And at first sight that is something Cwickly could do be better at.
Gutenberg is the future of Wordpress, but only if all the options from Gutenberg web-building plugins are native. Essentially, you need a plugin to work with Gutenberg at this moment which doesn't make much difference between working with web builders or Gutenberg.
I'm wanting to try out Gutenberg with some of these recommendations, but I'm loving using the classes associated with AutomaticCSS - first with Oxygen and now Bricks.
Thank you so much for the introduction into these tools. Your content is relevant and helpful, especially that they don't bog down your site with massive amounts of generated code. Cheers!
Thanks for the heads-up, Paul C. I'm liking the look of chicly, particularly because of the inclusion of ACF Pro. What I would love is if you could do a "shoot-out" between Cwicly and Elementor Pro... like what can one do that the other can't... and vice versa.
Elementor is fast and easy. People are running over to Gutenberg for core web vitals because they use crappy shared hosting. Or people hate Elementor because they added multiple addons and never upgraded their php memory and have their hosts default 64M of memory. Just stick to elementor and elementor pro and you can still have a speedy good looking site.
I don't use Elementor because I think it's pointless to install a plugin for something Wordpress can now do on it's own for free, and I get the exact functionality I want with Gutenburg.
I have tried various page builders but as a developer I just can't get over the idea that just writing code is better. I use ACF for custom content and then code up my own templates, its the best way for me.
Interesting in any case. I like to keep an eye on it, but I still think Elementor Pro currently has better features for developing a contemporary UI design. Then again, it's also about support and I see the community of Elementor and their support team as very mature, which I can't say with my experience about Cwicly/Gutenberg. I think that in the future, interesting providers in the area of CMS will be launched that I believe will also bring contemporary in-house solutions with them in terms of a visual builder. As always, thanks for your video, I like your videos, always worth an inspiration or a train of thought. :)
Thanks. But I am old and could not catch all video points. Main point to me is why we need those add-on !!! Most of those tools are either providing non-needed features which leads to slowing the performance and adding non needed complexity to project. For page builders (Elementor for example) the Gutenberg is still far away from reaching minimum features. However, the point that Gutenberg wins is the speed but others like GUI, Simplicity, Features not yet even after major WP releases. It is due the very slow introduction of features, which seems to me wrong strategy and they count on third party tools. Custom field was expecting to be part of WP6 because it is very important and needed in most of the site building.
I'm trying to make one website for blogging and selling products. As a beginner, I'm so overwhelmed with Gutenberg and Elementor. I wish these website builders would have a true no code option for people like me that want to build a one complex website without all the add-ons and plugins.
Patience.....we all felt the same way with persistence and practice you'd find your way. Focus on building simple elements and ensuring tour understand how the tools work..
Cant' wait to use Cwicly, but I can't help but feel the UX is really challenging for new users. Too many duplicate functions with existing WP UI and weird layouts in the builder.
I agree. They've made a much better UI over the previous version, but I think they could definitely benefit from an experienced UI/UX designer to get it up to par and I think that would be a massive boost.
Cwicly is great and has a ton of features.....but a steep leatning curve for sure. Greenshift seems more available. Still Bricksbuilder and BreakDance also seems useable. Elementor ...naaah.
I’ve not yet seen a good explanation as to why a block based tool is any better for performance, anyone know? Been trying Gp/GB for a couple of months now but still really struggling with it. Just a poor up/ux which is inconsistent and feels half done. Cwicly sounds interesting with Acf built in. Maybe the other tools could take that idea onboard. Bricks with ACPT perhaps? I also wonder when one of these tools will go the whole hog and get rid of WP and become standalone builders?
Becoming a "Standalone Builder" defaces the initial product and robs you of the FREEDOM that WordPress gives you. Even Elementor and Brizy in their Cloud versions continue with WP as a base.
Very interesting; yes with Blocksy, Kadence, Stackable, Generateblocks, etc. we could leave Elementor; however Elementor for me is still very elegant and if we use a NVE SSD Litespeed hosting and a good cache plugin, Elementor can be fast too.
I use Elementor. But I want to quickly switch to Gutenberg. I have tried Spectra and Astra and have serious problems. In some Blocks I can't or can't find how to edit the margins, for example and other functions... When I try to mark a Block or a widget I don't really understand where I am. I think Elementor's clarity is superior. I think Gutenberg's Builders are still far from Elementor in terms of ease. Now I want to try Kandance and Greenshift. Of the latter, you didn't say if dynamic content is available... But I think, clearly, that the future goes through a Gutenberg Builder, maybe Cwicly.
@@ARNBNDL Well at that time there were a lot of new things and finally I chose to work with Bricks Builder. A wonder I wouldn't trade it for anything. I hope it helps you
There's definitely a key shift to embrace powerful tools to use GutenTerd. That said, unless some of these tools can be simplified, then there will be an uphill struggle to onboard the everyday user. Elementor still wears the page builder crown for a reason, and whilst Bricks, Brizy and DIVI could still take that crown, this new era of Block tools add a whole new perspective
I guess...as long as I can make simple websites that I can make money with, it's all good. I'll just need to take the time to figure out to get the desired result. Woocommerce or Surecart for online stores? Will I need to show more/fewer images depending on the affiliate? Will I need many images at all if the blog is more informational? Depends on what I need the site for, it seems.
Thanks for reading the comments 😊 I agree that it gets better. The only issue I still have with Gutenturd is the UI... the left right top bottom distribution of UI elements is still a PITA. And it seems WordPress Gutenberg developers are trapped with it.
Interesting to see, but isn't it like replacing a page builder with something that is like a page builder light? Also how will this compare to the mandatory features a page builder should have according to ua-cam.com/video/zWp-ms0qLvg/v-deo.html ? What do the mentioned add-ons / plugins offer that is not in Crocoblock or Toolset?
Great video Paul! Believe this or not, I’m currently working on a re-design of one of my own websites utilizing Cwicly! Lord I know, hold on to your hat hearing that pop out from me! It may be the only tool that has me finally starting to take on Gutenberg! Lol
Thanks for the video Paul! Great as usual. My main criteria for page builder is SPEED of the end product. Would be interesting to compare the page builder in this aspect. Thanks again for the video!
We're using Elementor less and less and Gutenberg more. Did you switch to Gutenberg and how do you handle dynamic data? And foes your solution help website performance?
I would prefer Cwicly over Generate blocks only because, Cwicly takes over Gutenberg and makes it its own, while Generate blocks just adds a ton more functionality to the same Gutenberg UI which I feel is not so intuitive. Although, I like the fact the Generate blocks has a free version and would definitely try it out. Thanks, for sharing such amazing content, it really helps gain some perspective and plan ahead before jumping into future projects without knowing, that there is something better out there that I could have used. Thanks.
Gutenberg is just a page/post editor (albeit a visual drag-and-drop editor) while page builders like Divi and Elementor allow you to visually design the entire theme from essentially a blank canvas. Until Gutenberg or one of these plugins shown in the video allow for full theme creation, there is simply no comparison.
After your last couple of lives, I figured this was coming. I'm not 100% sure if I want to make the dive yet, but after learning how tools are maturing for Gutenberg it has caught my attention. Cwicly and GP/GB definitely interest me, but I need to look into more.
I'm new to WordPress but for me coming from a regular javascript framework background, I am use to building components that go on pages not pages. This is more like React which has real appeal to me.
Aside from basic visuals / layout. How can this compete with Elementor and all the widgets like AE Anywhere / ACF Pro integration? All of the new options can create a basic website / blog. Elementor with the extras creates dynamic sites with extra logic that does everything.
Take a look at what Cwicly offers. It has ACF Pro included in the core plugin, native support for repeaters, a powerful query builder, etc. All of which Elementor requires addons for. I’m sure there will be edge cases where Elementor makes more sense, but those are getting less and less as tools like Cwicly mature.
It depends on what you want to do with Elementor. Custom loop? Another plugin. Dynamic data, at least one more plugin. Conditional logic, another plugin. I think the overarching point is that there is NO perfect tool. Each one has pluses and negatives. :)
More and more interested in moving many of my Elementor based sites over to a streamlined GeneratePress + GenerateBlocks setup. Going to take up a chunk of time, but I think it will save many a headache in the future.
So, basically to work with Gutenberg we use...err... a page builder ;) I get they use blocks, but they're still builders based on the dreadful UI / UX that Gutenberg has.
Consider it less about bing a page builder int he traditional sense and more a way of interacting with block level elements and the speed benefits they provide. Sure, the UI is a bit on the crap side, but that gets less of a barrier as you become more accustomed to working with it.
@@lanceevans1689 why wouldn't they? They are effectively giving you a similar level of control but using block based elements instead of their own methods like Elementor, Diviv, etc.
@@Tallbloke1976 I guess it would depend on the plugin and how well it's coded. Using GB/GP for example, I can easily get mid to upper 90's on GPSI with no additional plugins or tools over any server based caching.
Nothing you have said here has convinced me to change from Elementor. Sure, Elementor is not perfect and neither is this. Why change for changes sake? My clients would be so confused with all this .
I agree. I don't think there's any rush. I feel like the only thing I would get moving to Gutenberg is speed. When Elementor finalizes flexbox, that speed should be achieved. So I'm staying put until all this is worked out. It'll save a lot of time and hassle to just be patient. Plus, as many have said, the Elementor interface is more logical for clients if they wish to edit the site.
Do any of these plugins give you the ability to modify headers, footers and template pages such as WooCommerce shop page, post page, etc like Elementor or Divi Builder allows you to do?
Paul, thank you for this review. While I'm still "stuck" with Elementor for now, I am considering transitioning to Bricks. I'm not sure if I'm ready for a migration to Gutenb/t just yet but do appreciate the info to give me something to consider in the future.
I'm a big fan of GeneratePress now after kicking Astra to the curb. I had to bite the bullet and learn gutenberg for GP's powerful elements. So after getting past that learning curve and then using it with Generate blocks I don't think I'll be going back to Beaver Builder as I can get great functionality for free without paying for beaver buider and beaver themer. Great support from GP too.
@@RyudoFanel I did switch to using blocksy and gutenburg plugins to make sites more lightweight, but since then DIVI has made a lot of improvements in speed and performance, and it not gets an "A" on GTMETRIX. Plus as I have discovered, you can still have the same issues with gutenburg as well when the plugins get updated, things can still break. All I really get out of it less features and flexibility....
@@RussMichaels Of course. With every update there is a chance that something breaks. Gutenberg and its third-party plugins are no exception. I also use Divi myself, but I'm currently in the process of switching to Bricks.
I am also a Divi user, but for one who wants something simple and responsive when it comes to a website containing just informational text and blog posts, can't I still use Divi, or? Been away from webdesigning for about 2 years, so I am a bit behind these updates, hence why I am asking. :)
It would be an amazing idea if you could build a business directory website USING CWICLY with either acf or jetengine like you did for elementor. Pretty please!
Great video as always. I enjoy the diversity of your reviews. I love the direction this is heading in. However, I think for me it depends on who will be editing the site/content once it has been built. The Guttenburg UIX is a bit lacklustre and not so easy for new users to navigate. The plugins you demonstrate go a long way to improving that and this is exciting. But from what I could see, they add features to the Guttenburg UI. So if I am to build and do all content changes on a site, this would be perfect. If I want my clients to add/edit content, for me Page Builders like Elementor make more sense. That said, I feel that basic users like the simple concepts of Sections/Rows and Columns in Elementor. I'm not sure they will find Flexbox Containers as easy to understand. So when Elementor finally gets Flexbox to "production", depending on how it is finally implemented, this may change.
First off, thanks for doing all these reviews and tutorials. I am a long-time Divi user but recently have experimented with Bricks, Gutenberg w/o any add'l plugins, and Elementor with the new flexbox options, and I realize that Elegant Themes is way behind when it comes to incorporating flexbox and/or grid into Divi. Something I think that a lot of us are concerned about is, if we decided to switch themes/page builders, how much of a mess will we have to clean up/convert on our existing sites? Based on your reviews of Cwicly and Greenshift, and Generate Blocks as well, is it safe to assume that one can safely "exit" from any one of those add-ons to Gutenberg, and would NOT be left with a pile of shortcodes or unintelligible blocks of code that have to be cleaned up and converted? Cwicly is now very interesting to me if it can be used to create various pages and then disabled on any given site, and the site will still "work," or am I mistaken about this? Given all that, I'd love to see you do a video where you build a similar page in a variety of builder themes or plugins, then disable them, and show how to what degree the page completely collapses, or remains intact. I think at least part of the decision about which page builder to employ might need to be, how easy is it to "escape" from it if necessary? In my case, I am seriously concerned that Elegant Themes has realized that they don't have the bandwidth or expertise to transition their builder to adopt flex/grid, and they are going slowly fade away, leaving the two dozen sites I've created with Divi in limbo ;-( Again, thanks for all that you do to inform and entertain us.
I am loving all the options to work with WP blocks and ditch the page builders. I've been working with the block system via Kadence for awhile now and I can't wait to see and try all the other options out there. Just need to make more hours in the day... is there a plugin for that? 😉
Hi, very interesting video. I myself wondering about leaving Elementor for multiple reasons. But i also like using Crocoblock. They are making their plugins available for Guttenberg and i want to ask you. Can u use them in these builders if they are Guttenberg compatible?
You have to choose a Crocoblock compitable theme. For example Crocoblocks work on Blocksy,but not on Kadence. So,Blocksy with Stackable or Kadence blocks,or Generate blocks works great with Jetengine.
Hi Paul. And thank you. (Hi-Performance + hard to use + maybe little more time-consuming to create pages compared to others + wish to be better than now: Block Editor + Addons ) ; (General use + Being inclusive + multiple themes support + ease of use for customers if they need to + a lot of additional add-ons: Elementor) ; (Powerfull, ease of use and learn, hopefully bright future + lifetime deal: Bricks ) ; I hope and also I think we can see more ease of use system later in block editor based page/site builders. Also I hope Cwicly add a lifetime-unlimited plan in future like Briks, Green Shift and Divi, which is very important to me.
I am also a Divi user, but for one who wants something simple and responsive when it comes to a website containing just informational text and blog posts, can't I still use Divi, or? Been away from webdesigning for about 2 years, so I am a bit behind these updates, hence why I am asking. :)
You can use whatever tools you're familiar with. But, Divi has always been a heavy tool for building sites and not the most performant. When you use tools like GenerateBlocks, you'll find you spend less time having to optimise the site to get a fast site.
@@WPTuts, thank you so much for taking time to respond. Ahh, and I was wondering if GenerateBlocks, which seems like a neat tool, indeed, can work together with Divi, or is it a separate theme? I know you said in the video that it can work with any other theme, but will it work nicely with Divi, since I already have a Divi license in place?
There's a key difference between Gutenberg and the current page builders. The other page builders were always optional. The default option was the classic editor and you had to click a button to use the page builder. But Gutenberg is always on. Gutenberg might be a great page builder. It could be the best. But that's irrelevant because it's positioned as a replacement for the editor instead of an additional option. This breaks the fundamental purpose of themes. This violates the separation of content and design. It might be the shiny solution right now. But it's going to be a nightmare if users who don't know any better over design each and every blog post and get pissed when changing themes has little or no effect on their design.
So, you're saying we should switch from all the other site builders like Elementor, Divi, Oxygen, Bricks, etc. to Gutenberg? And because Gutenberg ALONE is obviously still not good enough, we should get plugins again (some free, but with Pro versions) to extend Gutenberg accordingly. Did I understand that correctly? If so: What's the point again behind "switching to Gutenberg" compared to the other site builders? Especially the more lightweight and performant builders like Oxygen or Bricks, some of which also work very well with Gutenberg? I have to admit, I'm a little lost on the logic there.
I'm considering shifting from Elementor Pro to Bricks. Adding a third one to my workflow, it's just too much. Bricks/Gutenberg two-way compatibility and a friendly UX for "editor-role" (my clients) are key for my final decision.
Well, going on nearly a year since this making this video - are you still sticking with Gutenberg for serious web sites, i.e. those that clients are paying you to develop for them?
Would be good if you could show the sizes of these plugins when installed and performance checks for each once installed. Some can run to over 20mb!! Once installed and create huge compatibility and performance issues. One of the very TOP things about Gutenberg is its very low overhead on speed of the site and size. Many of the lightweight block plugins, at first, seem superficial (generateblocks for example) - BUT given practice you can achieve everything with these flexible plugins and their overhead on size and performance of pages is TINY. Most of these “so called” page builder page block plugins just add a tonne of their own CSS and JS and basically they just provide libraries of pre built layouts - which are easy enough to create with the standard small and agile block plugins. Great videos. Personally I would rather see what the overhead is with these plugins rather than the qty of predefined layouts they provide. Those are easy and can be created with simple grids and base controls. Once you have installed 2 or 3 of these all singing block plugins you find that each one loads their own CSS and their own JS etc to the point where all layouts are almost duplicated. I’d say, stick to the basic, flexible block plugins (kadence, generateblocks, etc) - create your own layouts and libraries and have a super fast, WP compatible site that Google loves. 👍
Not super keen on the “click bait” infused title coupled with an affiliate link. I get you have to make a living but please remain my go to source of excellent, informed opinion!
I have switched some time ago. It was easier (and lighter) to use Gutenberg. If I was missing something it was easier to write custom code then using page builder
One of my problems with these page builders is there's too many options for admins. In other words designers need a way to lock in a layout for admins to work off of. I manage three Wordpress websites with about 50 admins around the globe. The last thing I want is for them to have control of the page layouts or my websites will look like a hot mess real quick. I want them to just put in the data for the page and that's it. There needs to be a way to create templates and limit data fields for non top level admins in these tools.
For that type of content restriction, I'd build out a really simple frontend dashboard that removes the design options and only leaves the data input/editing. That restricts the admins from making any form of visual changes and makes for a much easier set of tools for them to add and manage their content.
@@WPTuts That's what I do. And since I'm comfortable with HTML and PHP I'd rather use Wordpress' built in hierarchy functions to build predefined templates rather than mess with a bloated plugin.
I made the shift back to Gutenberg a couple of months ago. I’ve effectively travelled full circle from vanilla WP through Visual Composer, Beaver Builder and Elementor to GeneratePress, then Blocks and back to Gutenberg. Controlling dynamic data has always been the most important aspect for me and so as Gutenberg slowly got to grips with this I’ve weened myself off Elementor and gone back to basics.
Yes, curious to hear that too because I think I am making the same circle :)
@@marksson After being fully signed-up to Elementor I am now a dedicated Gutenberg fan. It can do everything you need - including all of that dynamic data. Less bloat is King.
I'm not sure why everyone feels they have to choose. use Guten for pages you need to rank. Use Elementor for landing pages or pages that you want to visually look nicer. However speed can be address by a decent hosting company or better yet get on a VPS. Just my 2 cents.
Why not use Elementor for pages you want to rank?
(Sorry absolute beginner here, after playing around with Gutenberg and Elementor a bit, I find Elementor the only usable option right now. So basically I hope I can use Elementor and still get ranked on Google.)
I think these Gutenberg based editors are good if you are the one that’s actually working on client sites but clients would have difficulty using it, they will most likely mess things up. I think providing acf or meta box fields for clients to edit the text is still the easiest for clients
Block patterns are the way to go for clients. I've yet to have a client that didn't absolutely love Gutenberg
+1
You're absolutely right Kevin, Gutenberg in most cases are not user friendly. Often for clients creating custom Gutenberg blocks could be very useful.
totally agree Kevin, was a victim of this... needless to say had to move back to a page builder 😃😃
I was a Divi user. Last year i bought Blocksy and Stackable and never looked back. Love this combo.
Yeah that looks like a damn good combo! Have you made any dynamic sites with this using ACF or toolset?
In your case who do what between Blocksy and Stackable? Its not the same ? Thanks
@@stephendunning1510yes, works fine.
@@ARNBNDLBlocksy is a theme, Stackable is a gutenberg upgrade. Like a page builder, really.
I can only assume that you have been drinking the CoolAid 😁Wasted 3 days converting a site from Elementor, only to revert back. It will have to improve a great deal before I leave Elementor and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Yeah, Nothing gets even closer to Elementor.
@@rnzsalvador Bricks, Breakdance, Oxygen etc.
Not bashing on elementor but if you worked on WordPress before elementor, you'll hardly notice the need for it. In fact the reason I got into elementor was when I had too many clients and had to hire a help, she introduced me to elementor and then I just had to learn it in order to make changes to the websites she designed with elementor.
I dumped Elementor 6 months ago and haven't looked back.
@@neilwilliams2883 Good for you if you want to use second rate product, well thats your choice, Best of luck with your choice.
GenerateBlocks Pro, Stackable, WPCodeBox, and JetEngine are what I've been using lately. I like WPCodeBox for adding custom CSS so I can see it live while building. I was using Oxygen but with their latest debacle, I jumped ship. I've been getting great page load speeds with this setup. So far I'm happy with Gutenberg.
Hi Paul, which theme are you using?
What latest debacle?
@@wesstownsend I'm guessing he's talking about the release of break dance that pissed off a lot of Oxygen developers.
Think you are right: the new direction is to follow the simply power of Gutenberg. This will be the future of WP in my opinion. Because we need to remain "simple". I'm a DIVI user ready to jump into the new reality. Ciao
I've tried several FSE plugins, but I think Gutenverse is best suited for me, they have a friendly interface for new users like me, who want to try switching from Elementor to FSE , also they have various blocks which are very helpful in customizing a website. Has anyone tried it and agree with me?
interesting 🤔
That's rights
Totally agree because I also use Gutenverse plugin.
I fully agree, and what I enjoy the most is that, while there are numerous posibility, clever design keeps the choice easy.
Love your perspective and will be looking at you videos from now on. Keep the Gutenberg For WordPress drive alive. Because of you I'm making the move. Thank you. 😎🤟👍
Switched to Gutenberg, from Elementor, about 2 months ago. Converted all my websites and shops to Blocksy plus Kadence and/with Stackable. Everything runs much muuuch smoother. And I'm not afraid of updating plugins anymore, even on my dev machine.
Do you use both Stackable and Kadence blocks with the Blocksy theme? I"m wondering,if a combination of Stackable and Kadence blocks is possible.
@@georgivasilev3867 yes it is. no issues.
Interesting. I will try it. I like the motion effects of Stackable,which i'm missing in Kadence blocks.
Damn, you can mix Stackable, Kadence et Blocksy ? Could you explain who do what? Im new and i was thinking that i have to choose between this builder.
@@ARNBNDL why not? it's not like when using Elementor and a bunch of add-ons. You can mix Greenshift blocks, Kadence blocks, GeneratePress blocks with Blocksy theme.
I abondonned Divi, Elementor, ... a long time ago and switched to Kadence. As I ran into some limitations I switched to Oxygen Builder. With the recent developments I started looking into Bricks which at this moment also has its limitations. Just little things that do not work as I would want them to.
I'm also looking to go on the Gutenberg route again and Cwickly seems very promising. The only drawback I see is the link with ACF (you never know what will happen to that) and no integration with for instance Metabox at this moment.
Kadence is life!!!
@@DenisonCarlosMS Kadence ipro s not bad but too limited and not always easy to use in my opinion
@@webdesign-lokeren, in fact, switching from tools like Elementor, Divi and others to Blocks (whether Kadence, GeneratePress, Stackable and etc, or, Gutenberg himself), will make us strange at first and we will feel these limitations, as well as the learning curve ahead. the way they each have their own workflow. On this point, I also agree with you.
However, Kadence's Full Bundle brings us the Shop Kit, which even in its Beta version has already proven to be very stable and brings the ability to create Loops, Archives and Single Product Pages to customize WooCommerce. These 3 items may not seem like much, but for most Stores it already solves numerous customization problems that previously required hours of work with code inspection and Custom CSS.
I believe that today, we cannot demand that this type of tool for Gutenberg brings us the tons of Widgets that Elementor gives us, for example. In my opinion, the most advanced among all the options is Cwicly (although I have reservations about the built-in ACF, but that's my view).
@@DenisonCarlosMS I totally agree with that. Kadence wiil keep on improving. I just sometimes feel limited by the oredefined blocks and settings that are possible And at first sight that is something Cwickly could do be better at.
What limitations did you come across in Bricks?
Gutenberg is the future of Wordpress, but only if all the options from Gutenberg web-building plugins are native. Essentially, you need a plugin to work with Gutenberg at this moment which doesn't make much difference between working with web builders or Gutenberg.
Which plugins please?
I use Generate Press and Blocks together and decided that's the way to go.
I'm wanting to try out Gutenberg with some of these recommendations, but I'm loving using the classes associated with AutomaticCSS - first with Oxygen and now Bricks.
Thank you so much for the introduction into these tools. Your content is relevant and helpful, especially that they don't bog down your site with massive amounts of generated code. Cheers!
Thanks for the heads-up, Paul C. I'm liking the look of chicly, particularly because of the inclusion of ACF Pro. What I would love is if you could do a "shoot-out" between Cwicly and Elementor Pro... like what can one do that the other can't... and vice versa.
Elementor is fast and easy. People are running over to Gutenberg for core web vitals because they use crappy shared hosting. Or people hate Elementor because they added multiple addons and never upgraded their php memory and have their hosts default 64M of memory. Just stick to elementor and elementor pro and you can still have a speedy good looking site.
Agreed. If you have a decent host (and something like WP Rocket) it's not that hard.
I don't use Elementor because I think it's pointless to install a plugin for something Wordpress can now do on it's own for free, and I get the exact functionality I want with Gutenburg.
How do you change the default 64m memory?
I love generate press and generate blocks, very cool!
Yes, I'm walking away from Elemento so, I haven't decided yet who's gonna be the replacement! Thanks! 😉
I have tried various page builders but as a developer I just can't get over the idea that just writing code is better. I use ACF for custom content and then code up my own templates, its the best way for me.
Interesting in any case. I like to keep an eye on it, but I still think Elementor Pro currently has better features for developing a contemporary UI design. Then again, it's also about support and I see the community of Elementor and their support team as very mature, which I can't say with my experience about Cwicly/Gutenberg.
I think that in the future, interesting providers in the area of CMS will be launched that I believe will also bring contemporary in-house solutions with them in terms of a visual builder.
As always, thanks for your video, I like your videos, always worth an inspiration or a train of thought.
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Thanks. But I am old and could not catch all video points. Main point to me is why we need those add-on !!! Most of those tools are either providing non-needed features which leads to slowing the performance and adding non needed complexity to project.
For page builders (Elementor for example) the Gutenberg is still far away from reaching minimum features. However, the point that Gutenberg wins is the speed but others like GUI, Simplicity, Features not yet even after major WP releases. It is due the very slow introduction of features, which seems to me wrong strategy and they count on third party tools.
Custom field was expecting to be part of WP6 because it is very important and needed in most of the site building.
I'm trying to make one website for blogging and selling products. As a beginner, I'm so overwhelmed with Gutenberg and Elementor. I wish these website builders would have a true no code option for people like me that want to build a one complex website without all the add-ons and plugins.
Patience.....we all felt the same way with persistence and practice you'd find your way.
Focus on building simple elements and ensuring tour understand how the tools work..
Cant' wait to use Cwicly, but I can't help but feel the UX is really challenging for new users. Too many duplicate functions with existing WP UI and weird layouts in the builder.
I agree. They've made a much better UI over the previous version, but I think they could definitely benefit from an experienced UI/UX designer to get it up to par and I think that would be a massive boost.
Cwicly is great and has a ton of features.....but a steep leatning curve for sure. Greenshift seems more available. Still Bricksbuilder and BreakDance also seems useable. Elementor ...naaah.
You should check out the Kadence theme and Kadence blocks plugin for Gutenberg. It's incredible.
I’ve not yet seen a good explanation as to why a block based tool is any better for performance, anyone know? Been trying Gp/GB for a couple of months now but still really struggling with it. Just a poor up/ux which is inconsistent and feels half done. Cwicly sounds interesting with Acf built in. Maybe the other tools could take that idea onboard. Bricks with ACPT perhaps? I also wonder when one of these tools will go the whole hog and get rid of WP and become standalone builders?
Becoming a "Standalone Builder" defaces the initial product and robs you of the FREEDOM that WordPress gives you. Even Elementor and Brizy in their Cloud versions continue with WP as a base.
@@DenisonCarlosMS lol well all a matter of perspective. You see freedom where I see a prison.
I used Elementor before but I switched to Kadence
Another awesome video. Exciting times for building with Gutenberg. Clearly the future of WordPress.
Very interesting; yes with Blocksy, Kadence, Stackable, Generateblocks, etc. we could leave Elementor; however Elementor for me is still very elegant and if we use a NVE SSD Litespeed hosting and a good cache plugin, Elementor can be fast too.
In my opinion Elementor could be fast but with more complex design it has no chance. It has to much bloat code.
Right, but for eStores Elementor is very bad choose
@@Xris1910 right, with Woocommerce elementor Is terryfing
I am going to be using my Cwickly account for the upcoming months
I use Elementor. But I want to quickly switch to Gutenberg. I have tried Spectra and Astra and have serious problems. In some Blocks I can't or can't find how to edit the margins, for example and other functions...
When I try to mark a Block or a widget I don't really understand where I am. I think Elementor's clarity is superior. I think Gutenberg's Builders are still far from Elementor in terms of ease.
Now I want to try Kandance and Greenshift. Of the latter, you didn't say if dynamic content is available...
But I think, clearly, that the future goes through a Gutenberg Builder, maybe Cwicly.
Did you make your try? What about Kadence ? Where is your point now? Thankss
@@ARNBNDL
Well at that time there were a lot of new things and finally I chose to work with Bricks Builder. A wonder I wouldn't trade it for anything.
I hope it helps you
@@antonicarulla3602 hello Antoni, Bricks is not easy for a newb, right?
There's definitely a key shift to embrace powerful tools to use GutenTerd. That said, unless some of these tools can be simplified, then there will be an uphill struggle to onboard the everyday user. Elementor still wears the page builder crown for a reason, and whilst Bricks, Brizy and DIVI could still take that crown, this new era of Block tools add a whole new perspective
I guess...as long as I can make simple websites that I can make money with, it's all good. I'll just need to take the time to figure out to get the desired result. Woocommerce or Surecart for online stores? Will I need to show more/fewer images depending on the affiliate? Will I need many images at all if the blog is more informational? Depends on what I need the site for, it seems.
Thanks for reading the comments 😊 I agree that it gets better. The only issue I still have with Gutenturd is the UI... the left right top bottom distribution of UI elements is still a PITA. And it seems WordPress Gutenberg developers are trapped with it.
Interesting to see, but isn't it like replacing a page builder with something that is like a page builder light?
Also how will this compare to the mandatory features a page builder should have according to ua-cam.com/video/zWp-ms0qLvg/v-deo.html ?
What do the mentioned add-ons / plugins offer that is not in Crocoblock or Toolset?
Great video Paul! Believe this or not, I’m currently working on a re-design of one of my own websites utilizing Cwicly!
Lord I know, hold on to your hat hearing that pop out from me! It may be the only tool that has me finally starting to take on Gutenberg! Lol
Thanks for the video Paul! Great as usual. My main criteria for page builder is SPEED of the end product. Would be interesting to compare the page builder in this aspect. Thanks again for the video!
We're using Elementor less and less and Gutenberg more. Did you switch to Gutenberg and how do you handle dynamic data? And foes your solution help website performance?
Yup. I’ve moved most of my new projects over to GeneratePress & GenerateBlocks and that works well with a lot of dynamic data.
I would prefer Cwicly over Generate blocks only because, Cwicly takes over Gutenberg and makes it its own, while Generate blocks just adds a ton more functionality to the same Gutenberg UI which I feel is not so intuitive. Although, I like the fact the Generate blocks has a free version and would definitely try it out. Thanks, for sharing such amazing content, it really helps gain some perspective and plan ahead before jumping into future projects without knowing, that there is something better out there that I could have used. Thanks.
Gutenberg is just a page/post editor (albeit a visual drag-and-drop editor) while page builders like Divi and Elementor allow you to visually design the entire theme from essentially a blank canvas. Until Gutenberg or one of these plugins shown in the video allow for full theme creation, there is simply no comparison.
This the one. 👍🏾
I have 5 websites and have made all of them just using Gutemburg with the Spectra add-ons.
very informative as always Paul, keeping us on our toes
how to mobile optimize a post with Gutenberg please do a video. I tried but Title size could not change like Elementor.
After your last couple of lives, I figured this was coming. I'm not 100% sure if I want to make the dive yet, but after learning how tools are maturing for Gutenberg it has caught my attention.
Cwicly and GP/GB definitely interest me, but I need to look into more.
I'm new to WordPress but for me coming from a regular javascript framework background, I am use to building components that go on pages not pages. This is more like React which has real appeal to me.
Thanks for share, which plugin is good for customizable woocommerce using gutenberg? Thanks you
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Aside from basic visuals / layout. How can this compete with Elementor and all the widgets like AE Anywhere / ACF Pro integration? All of the new options can create a basic website / blog. Elementor with the extras creates dynamic sites with extra logic that does everything.
Take a look at what Cwicly offers. It has ACF Pro included in the core plugin, native support for repeaters, a powerful query builder, etc.
All of which Elementor requires addons for.
I’m sure there will be edge cases where Elementor makes more sense, but those are getting less and less as tools like Cwicly mature.
Dear Paul - thank you very much - this is so awesome - ❤🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💐🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻❤ plz do more WP-Tutorials !!!!
Hi,
What’s the best way to change from Ocean WP and Elementor Pro. To Gutenberg? How do you move content etc? Will this mess up my SEO?
Why keep the site structure control (layers) on the left and not on the right?!!!
Who knows! It's probably some 'artistic' license. 🙈
I use Spectra blocks very powerful
have to use lot more tools to make it complete.. better use Elementor?
It depends on what you want to do with Elementor. Custom loop? Another plugin. Dynamic data, at least one more plugin. Conditional logic, another plugin.
I think the overarching point is that there is NO perfect tool. Each one has pluses and negatives. :)
More and more interested in moving many of my Elementor based sites over to a streamlined GeneratePress + GenerateBlocks setup. Going to take up a chunk of time, but I think it will save many a headache in the future.
are those compatible with jetengine?
So, basically to work with Gutenberg we use...err... a page builder ;) I get they use blocks, but they're still builders based on the dreadful UI / UX that Gutenberg has.
Consider it less about bing a page builder int he traditional sense and more a way of interacting with block level elements and the speed benefits they provide.
Sure, the UI is a bit on the crap side, but that gets less of a barrier as you become more accustomed to working with it.
And charging page builder prices!
@@lanceevans1689 why wouldn't they? They are effectively giving you a similar level of control but using block based elements instead of their own methods like Elementor, Diviv, etc.
@@WPTuts Does this still apply to the blocks they add themselves, still just as fast as the ones in the core?
@@Tallbloke1976 I guess it would depend on the plugin and how well it's coded.
Using GB/GP for example, I can easily get mid to upper 90's on GPSI with no additional plugins or tools over any server based caching.
Nothing you have said here has convinced me to change from Elementor.
Sure, Elementor is not perfect and neither is this.
Why change for changes sake?
My clients would be so confused with all this .
I agree. I don't think there's any rush. I feel like the only thing I would get moving to Gutenberg is speed. When Elementor finalizes flexbox, that speed should be achieved. So I'm staying put until all this is worked out. It'll save a lot of time and hassle to just be patient. Plus, as many have said, the Elementor interface is more logical for clients if they wish to edit the site.
Thanks for video on Gutenberg! 👏🏼
I also looking at wpspectra. I think this is also a good one.
I'm waiting for the Pro version to see what that brings with it.
Yeah, I was excited about Spectra and thought it would be better. But It just didn't hit the sweet spot for me.
Hi Paul, a tutorial on Cwicly would be much appreciated. I have a confusion on how to use cwicly theme and how to customize it's header and footer.
Like #1 from El Salvador!
Do any of these plugins give you the ability to modify headers, footers and template pages such as WooCommerce shop page, post page, etc like Elementor or Divi Builder allows you to do?
that's an advertisment for cwicly or an explanation that Gutenberg is good.?
I was waiting for this, for the last 2 years i.e. a page builder inside WP. The only question for me is, is it fast enough?
love Gutenberg, but if you still need extra tools. its the same as with adding elementor.
Not really. Gutenberg, even with a tool like GenerateBlocks or Cwicly installed will still be a lot lighter and faster than Elementor.
Paul, thank you for this review. While I'm still "stuck" with Elementor for now, I am considering transitioning to Bricks. I'm not sure if I'm ready for a migration to Gutenb/t just yet but do appreciate the info to give me something to consider in the future.
What do you think about spectra
Great video. My favorite is still Cwickly or Bricks, even though they are still in development and can't do the same thing as Elementor or Divi.
And cwicly compared to Kadence? Could i have your point ?
I'm a big fan of GeneratePress now after kicking Astra to the curb. I had to bite the bullet and learn gutenberg for GP's powerful elements. So after getting past that learning curve and then using it with Generate blocks I don't think I'll be going back to Beaver Builder as I can get great functionality for free without paying for beaver buider and beaver themer. Great support from GP too.
since you still need to add multiple plugins to make Gutenberg usable, is that really any different than using divi or elementor?
Exactly that. In the end, it comes down to the same thing. Especially with the more lightweight site builders.
@@RyudoFanel I did switch to using blocksy and gutenburg plugins to make sites more lightweight, but since then DIVI has made a lot of improvements in speed and performance, and it not gets an "A" on GTMETRIX.
Plus as I have discovered, you can still have the same issues with gutenburg as well when the plugins get updated, things can still break.
All I really get out of it less features and flexibility....
@@RussMichaels Of course. With every update there is a chance that something breaks. Gutenberg and its third-party plugins are no exception.
I also use Divi myself, but I'm currently in the process of switching to Bricks.
I am also a Divi user, but for one who wants something simple and responsive when it comes to a website containing just informational text and blog posts, can't I still use Divi, or? Been away from webdesigning for about 2 years, so I am a bit behind these updates, hence why I am asking. :)
It would be an amazing idea if you could build a business directory website USING CWICLY with either acf or jetengine like you did for elementor. Pretty please!
Great video as always. I enjoy the diversity of your reviews.
I love the direction this is heading in. However, I think for me it depends on who will be editing the site/content once it has been built.
The Guttenburg UIX is a bit lacklustre and not so easy for new users to navigate. The plugins you demonstrate go a long way to improving that and this is exciting. But from what I could see, they add features to the Guttenburg UI.
So if I am to build and do all content changes on a site, this would be perfect. If I want my clients to add/edit content, for me Page Builders like Elementor make more sense.
That said, I feel that basic users like the simple concepts of Sections/Rows and Columns in Elementor. I'm not sure they will find Flexbox Containers as easy to understand. So when Elementor finally gets Flexbox to "production", depending on how it is finally implemented, this may change.
I'm building Gutenberg blocks now 👍 it is the way.
First time I'm hearing about greenshift. how does it compare with stackable/kadence?
First off, thanks for doing all these reviews and tutorials. I am a long-time Divi user but recently have experimented with Bricks, Gutenberg w/o any add'l plugins, and Elementor with the new flexbox options, and I realize that Elegant Themes is way behind when it comes to incorporating flexbox and/or grid into Divi. Something I think that a lot of us are concerned about is, if we decided to switch themes/page builders, how much of a mess will we have to clean up/convert on our existing sites? Based on your reviews of Cwicly and Greenshift, and Generate Blocks as well, is it safe to assume that one can safely "exit" from any one of those add-ons to Gutenberg, and would NOT be left with a pile of shortcodes or unintelligible blocks of code that have to be cleaned up and converted? Cwicly is now very interesting to me if it can be used to create various pages and then disabled on any given site, and the site will still "work," or am I mistaken about this? Given all that, I'd love to see you do a video where you build a similar page in a variety of builder themes or plugins, then disable them, and show how to what degree the page completely collapses, or remains intact. I think at least part of the decision about which page builder to employ might need to be, how easy is it to "escape" from it if necessary? In my case, I am seriously concerned that Elegant Themes has realized that they don't have the bandwidth or expertise to transition their builder to adopt flex/grid, and they are going slowly fade away, leaving the two dozen sites I've created with Divi in limbo ;-( Again, thanks for all that you do to inform and entertain us.
☝ This! Could'nt agree more.
You definitely need to look at this - ua-cam.com/video/QRnODXuLqYs/v-deo.html
I am loving all the options to work with WP blocks and ditch the page builders. I've been working with the block system via Kadence for awhile now and I can't wait to see and try all the other options out there. Just need to make more hours in the day... is there a plugin for that? 😉
I've been looking for a plugin idea to create - maybe I need to create WP-Timeshift! lol
@@WPTuts Dibs on lifetime lic! 😁
Hi, very interesting video. I myself wondering about leaving Elementor for multiple reasons. But i also like using Crocoblock. They are making their plugins available for Guttenberg and i want to ask you. Can u use them in these builders if they are Guttenberg compatible?
You have to choose a Crocoblock compitable theme.
For example Crocoblocks work on Blocksy,but not on Kadence. So,Blocksy with Stackable or Kadence blocks,or Generate blocks works great with Jetengine.
Hi Paul. And thank you. (Hi-Performance + hard to use + maybe little more time-consuming to create pages compared to others + wish to be better than now: Block Editor + Addons ) ; (General use + Being inclusive + multiple themes support + ease of use for customers if they need to + a lot of additional add-ons: Elementor) ; (Powerfull, ease of use and learn, hopefully bright future + lifetime deal: Bricks ) ; I hope and also I think we can see more ease of use system later in block editor based page/site builders. Also I hope Cwicly add a lifetime-unlimited plan in future like Briks, Green Shift and Divi, which is very important to me.
for me I am using flatsome theme it is a page builder and theme at the same time also has a great pre-made library blocks
I am also a Divi user, but for one who wants something simple and responsive when it comes to a website containing just informational text and blog posts, can't I still use Divi, or? Been away from webdesigning for about 2 years, so I am a bit behind these updates, hence why I am asking. :)
You can use whatever tools you're familiar with. But, Divi has always been a heavy tool for building sites and not the most performant.
When you use tools like GenerateBlocks, you'll find you spend less time having to optimise the site to get a fast site.
@@WPTuts, thank you so much for taking time to respond. Ahh, and I was wondering if GenerateBlocks, which seems like a neat tool, indeed, can work together with Divi, or is it a separate theme? I know you said in the video that it can work with any other theme, but will it work nicely with Divi, since I already have a Divi license in place?
There's a key difference between Gutenberg and the current page builders. The other page builders were always optional. The default option was the classic editor and you had to click a button to use the page builder. But Gutenberg is always on.
Gutenberg might be a great page builder. It could be the best. But that's irrelevant because it's positioned as a replacement for the editor instead of an additional option. This breaks the fundamental purpose of themes. This violates the separation of content and design. It might be the shiny solution right now. But it's going to be a nightmare if users who don't know any better over design each and every blog post and get pissed when changing themes has little or no effect on their design.
When we use the term Gutenberg, if i use Kadence pro, its Gutenberg?
Cwikly is not free and not even available as a pluggin :-(
So, you're saying we should switch from all the other site builders like Elementor, Divi, Oxygen, Bricks, etc. to Gutenberg? And because Gutenberg ALONE is obviously still not good enough, we should get plugins again (some free, but with Pro versions) to extend Gutenberg accordingly. Did I understand that correctly?
If so: What's the point again behind "switching to Gutenberg" compared to the other site builders? Especially the more lightweight and performant builders like Oxygen or Bricks, some of which also work very well with Gutenberg?
I have to admit, I'm a little lost on the logic there.
Very cool thanks. Also like Gutenberg and I hated it in the beginning.
I'm considering shifting from Elementor Pro to Bricks. Adding a third one to my workflow, it's just too much. Bricks/Gutenberg two-way compatibility and a friendly UX for "editor-role" (my clients) are key for my final decision.
Have anyone of your tried Themify builder? Any thoughts on it?
please, how to delete an imported template and import another template
Well, going on nearly a year since this making this video - are you still sticking with Gutenberg for serious web sites, i.e. those that clients are paying you to develop for them?
Using GeneratePress & GenerateBlocks over a page builder like Elementor? Yup. 👍
I did it months ago, to cwicly, thanks to you
All these addons are not coming close to Elementor by means features and ease of use.
Greenshift looks good I might get me a copy
Would be good if you could show the sizes of these plugins when installed and performance checks for each once installed.
Some can run to over 20mb!! Once installed and create huge compatibility and performance issues.
One of the very TOP things about Gutenberg is its very low overhead on speed of the site and size. Many of the lightweight block plugins, at first, seem superficial (generateblocks for example) - BUT given practice you can achieve everything with these flexible plugins and their overhead on size and performance of pages is TINY.
Most of these “so called” page builder page block plugins just add a tonne of their own CSS and JS and basically they just provide libraries of pre built layouts - which are easy enough to create with the standard small and agile block plugins.
Great videos. Personally I would rather see what the overhead is with these plugins rather than the qty of predefined layouts they provide. Those are easy and can be created with simple grids and base controls.
Once you have installed 2 or 3 of these all singing block plugins you find that each one loads their own CSS and their own JS etc to the point where all layouts are almost duplicated.
I’d say, stick to the basic, flexible block plugins (kadence, generateblocks, etc) - create your own layouts and libraries and have a super fast, WP compatible site that Google loves. 👍
Not super keen on the “click bait” infused title coupled with an affiliate link. I get you have to make a living but please remain my go to source of excellent, informed opinion!
Croccoblocks/JetEngine also has tools for Gutenberg.
Lots of free books at Gutenberg!
OK. Interesting as usual. But I didn't see one page online...... I mean show it. Where is one homepage?
I have switched some time ago. It was easier (and lighter) to use Gutenberg. If I was missing something it was easier to write custom code then using page builder
Excellent content!
One of my problems with these page builders is there's too many options for admins. In other words designers need a way to lock in a layout for admins to work off of. I manage three Wordpress websites with about 50 admins around the globe. The last thing I want is for them to have control of the page layouts or my websites will look like a hot mess real quick. I want them to just put in the data for the page and that's it. There needs to be a way to create templates and limit data fields for non top level admins in these tools.
For that type of content restriction, I'd build out a really simple frontend dashboard that removes the design options and only leaves the data input/editing.
That restricts the admins from making any form of visual changes and makes for a much easier set of tools for them to add and manage their content.
@@WPTuts That's what I do. And since I'm comfortable with HTML and PHP I'd rather use Wordpress' built in hierarchy functions to build predefined templates rather than mess with a bloated plugin.