I love how an argument against dream in general is that he's arrogant, meanwhile when John is confronted by nick, he acts all arrogant and like he's above it all. Hypocrite
I think it's because messaging gives you more time to think about what you're sending, but when you're confronted on call you have to answer fast or the other person might think that you're making up something. so yeah, his channel is crashing down probably
The 'yup' thing was stupid but Dream had so many fucking good points and everyone ignored it for the ONE bad point he made. This is the perfect example of what the internet is like in the modern era.
@Kelvin I do agree that language analysis can be and is a valid way of connecting the dots, but he had SO MUCH evidence outside of that point that I feel as if it weakened the rest of his arguments.
He kinda swung and miss on the yup and mate thing. I'm actually surprised to hear that he thinks yup is such a strange way to say it, i'm going to say 99 percent of people i know, use it occasionally.
@@ExarchGaming I don't know anyone who uses yup, irl or online while chatting. I guess it just depends on the area you live in and the people you find around yourself.
@@Neon-Starr yeah that shocks me dude lol. It def has to come down to regional slang, and situation, i'll more than often use yup, rather than yea, if i'm pissed off, or annoyed and like say my mom is asking me on the phone about the situation.
bc i think he didint give dream any bias since most people defending john has an absolute bias against dream and its kina horifying since keem is gonna bring up this situation again for being right (i dont like or hate keem but i hate his gnome side)
Honestly as weird as it is he’s in the right in most situations but he just has to act like a twat so everyone hates him, he would be quite respected for his opinions if his personality didn’t get in the way.
@@Dayman420 personally, I think Keem wants people to hate him. I personally don't know his relationships offline and off camera with his associates and family.
@@seishonagon8468 You might be right but even watching him when he’s with his friends and has no reason to try antagonise people he acts this way, for example when he was on the cold ones podcast, that was just a baited reunion and he’s still quite unlikable there, he definitely does try to make people hate him but even when he isn’t doing that he is still not a very likeable person, I hate it because he’s usually pretty spot on.
The fact that Dream had all the information to prove without a shadow of a doubt that John had done it for A WEEK and still tried to resolve it privately shows that Dream showed major restraint.
It also speaks to his character. Certain people like to clown on him but at the end of the day Dream is just a normal dude... whom makes god awful CGI music videos But still normal dude
His Channel only has 165K subs and around 20 uploads (he just happened to have a handful of videos go viral / do well), his career hadn't even taken off yet and at the same time his career is also far from doomed. If he still wants to do UA-cam he can easily turn it all around or if he doesn't want to he can easily just let it all crash. His last two videos got 25K and 45K views, that's actually decent for a Channel his size it just sucks in comparison to his recent history. I think his Channel could just as easily blow up as it could die out the odds are 50/50.
If the monkey on his back was just some silly lies a comeback wouldn't be difficult. Using an autistic guy to learn about how autistic kids do things, then blaming an autistic 12 year old for your actions makes it a bit harder
I can't see him making a comeback, and even if he does idk how anyone could respect or trust him. It would be different if he didn't take this as far as he did, but he doubled down to such a degree that I don't think there's a word in the dictionary for it.
I actually feel real bad for Nick. He backed his bro, he trusted him. And it bit him in the ass. Even in the end when they were talking about him, while livid around the situation. He still seemed like he was trying to give him advice. But he did the right thing with his final words on the situation and burning the bridge with Swan.
It's not a popular opinion but I really like Nick he recently called out repzilla on something and he told him "I care more about the truth than your feelings" lol
I don't follow any of these guys and know of them very slightly. But, I probably don't feel bad for Nick or any of them. They chose to back up John based on liking him more, being buds, and his reputation. If you know psychology a little bit, you would know that's how machivellian influence cognative misers. I just hoped he learned a lesson that mental short cuts are not a replacement for evidence and good deduction.
@@leahacevedo450 Ofc they defended him bc they believed their friend wouldn't lie to them. Friends not being impartial doesn't mean they're sheeple; his friends had no reason to think he'd lie bc to their knowledge he hadn't ever lied to them before. And his friends did confront him when the evidence became overwhelming, like they should.
@@tammymac6067 Weeeell. You're right about one thing IMO. Having a biase doesn't make you a sheeple. So, I will correct that. BUT, backing up someone's claim or defending them against accusation based solely on them being your friend or your experience of them being positive. NOT based on evidence or deduction IMO is a lack of integrity. I will die on that hill. You can't change my mind. Your not helping your friend your enabling them. Not cool. That's how a manipulative person works, based of fallacious logic... hence the comment about cognative misers. If you don't know. SAY YOU DON'T KNOW or remain neutral. He confronted his friend AFTER he fucked up and proclaimed his innocence. How about not speaking when you don't know the answer. I think Nick learned that. Experience being the teacher.
@@tammymac6067 if you're going to be in the commentary community, the actual commentary one, not the larger one that includes tea and drama channels but people of the caliber of say TRO(which was HILARIOUS to hear keem keep saying it like it wasn't an acronym) you should know better than to just give in to bias because it damages credibility in this field. I am honestly pretty shocked that Keem was actually right.
dream needs to be picked up as a va for some deranged detective in a show or movie because any time he makes a detective stream or drama stream looking at receipts its the funniest thing ever. like he knows how to put on some good theatrics
can you imagine dream giving opinions on drama? that man gets cancelled over dumb shit every other day, it would be HILARIOUS to see his fanbases reaction.
wait I dont use twitter so can you send me a video or somethin on them because they made my childhood with skylanders so see then in drama I wanna see whats up with em
Most of the male workers at Activision Blizzard sexually harassed multiple female workers and the company is just very horrible. There is so much to say, but I suggest researching.
@@OddOneRogue just search it up on UA-cam. Though I will say this the allegations haven't been 100% confirmed or went through the courts but Activision blizzard is in trouble and another PR nightmare with people out with pitch forks.
@@smcool0514 wasn't it just some and not most? And I hate to be the guy but even though we do have reason to believe Activision/blizzard isn't above doing that they are allegations in a court right now so I would go around saying its 100% true.
man i forgot how dumb this whole thing was lmao. this whole thing revolves around the idea that john swan is entitled to dream believing him, like dream didnt need to prove john was lying because he never said john swan was lying, he just said that he didnt believe john, which was true, dream didnt believe him. the statement "dream doesnt believe john" can be true without "john lied" also having to be true, and this all could've went away quietly and been forgotten had john and other commentators not felt that john was so entitled to dream believing him.
Yh like the bias was insane even if the other persons track record sucks dont jump on a side cant believe people took the "oh wasnt me was relative" excuse as the gospel without questioning it insane
Dream: yeah, based on some past interactions i dont think John is a very honest person The entire commentary community: You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies???
That was the part that was always so wild to me. Like, even if John was innocent, dream still wouldn’t have don’t anything wrong by saying he personally got bad vibes bc this thing allegedly happened and he didn’t believe it.
Wow. the end kinda says it all. When he said he'd rather Nick just never talk to him again instead of telling people the truth he is essentially saying "your friendship is worthless to me and I'd trade your life for a ham sandwich, even one without cheese". That's so rough lol
My opinion is it’s like John only gets a rifle but every move Dream makes is like Mega Nuclear Godzilla. Dream has a lot more damage. Both sides equally have the right to talk, to share their points.
they really acted like john had some elaborate web of lies when his argument was literally "bro trust me, my 12 year old autistic friend grabbed my phone ahaha"
Okay, I remember a few weeks ago I was watching a Homeboys Got Receipts stream to see if I can hear anything about creepshowart, but what I did end up hearing was Nicholas Deorio said "I don't like harleytbs" n stuff like that, and I wrote in the chat "but harley is just a kid" as in a minor. And they read it on stream n laughed which is dumb. But anyway, literally??? That matches up with how john swan was the one messaging harley, and then attacking harley, etc. So 👀 yeah.
In the end it was satisfying to see all the shocked reactions of those people...... I also had a blast spamming " This aged like milk" on the older vids.
@@andrewvillatoro4605 I disagree. He gave the one of the oldest excuses in the book and while it was possible, you shouldn’t have just instantly believed him.
i like how dream said, thank you for the apology. And then keem is out here saying "Dear John Swan, i do NOT accept your apology!" like the whole thing was based around him lol
I remember when I was still in elementary school, I made a hateful comment on a "toy" or "animal" Sans fight animation, saying it was "stupid and for babies", but then when people got mad at me, I also used the same excuse as Swan and said "a friend went on my account without my permission and said that stuff, but I scolded them, sorry". So I don't exactly believe excuses like this lmao
Yeah. That's the excuse I used when i was on AOL Instant Messenger and told my crush that I thought she was HAWT (I probably did really spell it that way -_-) and then I told her that I had walked away to get a snack and my friend did that as a joke. She....did not believe me. I suppose the fact that when I made my AIM username it had the same 4 digits at the end as hers did (lol). you'd think that would have been a decent clue? ugh it hurts my soul to think about!
@@idontwantahandlethough I hate it when friends think it's okay to go through your stuff and pose as you in texts and such (a.k.a. messing with your social life). Let them know that that behavior is unacceptable, because they could really mess things up for you, whether they meant to or not (even if it's done just as a joke).
@@soundtheartist9212 Hahahahahahaha wait are you kidding? It was me. I was the one who asked her out, I was just young and embarrassed and she didn't immediately say yes so i chickened out
When Dream said that’s just a theory I was planning to say out loud a game theory, he said it at the same time and it made me laugh so much. If Dream does these detective streams as a joke I would love that.
When "But, he has stans!" becomes an argument to an controversy and an entire community of people who bragged about being critical and fair just buys it you can see how far our society has come
@@tanner201x8 Well, some are actually really nice once you get to know them... but yeah, a lot are insane. I got called a stan once by just using the SMP... AS A FREAKING EXAMPLE FOR A PHOBIA I THOUGHT I MADE UP. Irrational fear of Gods! It's actually called Zeusophobia!
Even without hindsight, it kind of pisses me off how people treated this entire situation from the very start. I can't stand Dream, but the fact that everyone was on Johns side was ridiculous and clearly it was done because of bias.
Have you ever done something that you later realise you shouldn’t of and then get nervous about owning up to it. It was basically a snowball of lies which never ends well
As someone who was on Dreams side all along with the drama, which I'll admit was probably because of my biases, I found it utterly hilarious when John Swan jus admitted it lol
I mean, imagine how hard it is to have 98% of ppl following the situation against you, ready to cancel your online career. swan waited for the moment where lot of them just forgot about it (or didn't care) then struck out and admitted it. THAT is what's most scary about this, this is not lying. this is master manipulation.
@@excellseeus-streamsandclip3562 lmao are you dumb im not talking about the cheating situation?? im talking about THIS situation, why would i be talking about the cheating situation on a video totally irrelevant to it. in this situation, dream was in the right and john was in the wrong. i didn’t say shit abt the cheating scandal, idk why you’re bringing it up
Or if he owned up to it and just said that he did it back then and he was edgy. If people can forgive keem, Idubbz, etc. for saying the n word when they were edge lords then they should forgive him. It’s sad that he did this
@@jqpser181 but look at the actor for Ralph on the flash he posted some racist comments on Twitter 6 years ago and a Twitter user dug that up and got everybody to cancel him and he lost he’s acting spot on the flash cause of that
@@isaacsanchez9038 to be fair, i think it's different when it comes to actors because there's boards of pr and executives making decisions about what looks best for their shows image/success. but on the internet, careers are fuelled by fans/viewers and there are plenty of viewers who don't care about how problematic the creators are... he could have found audience there...
The John Swan situation is kinda sad in retrospect considering he's a lawyer. Y'know, someone who's supposed to be honest about evidence and important matters. Edit: I have now realized I might've confused this guy for Legal Eagle. Whoops.
Uhhh... honestly? I bet he's a good lawyer, based off of this. A lawyers job isn't always necessarily about the truth. Sometimes, it's *specifically* NOT about the truth. And to be honest, I came into this knowing nothing, and I kinda believed him for the first bit there. He was fairly convincing using an argument that I thought I would never believe ("OH SORRY THAT WASN'T ME IT WAS MY LITTLE BROTHER WHO ASKED YOU OUT I SWEAR!!!1!"). All things considered, that's some solid arguing. I think I'd hire him if he wasn't such a scumbag. Who am I kidding.. I'd hire him anyway. Edit: I say that all under the assumption that he's a defense attorney. If he's, let's say, a prosecutor for the state, or some asshat arguing to let BP dump oil on penguins, then I hope he never works again, because he is obviously not ethically responsible at all.
The call with Nick and John is so sad and heartbreaking oh my god. Nick sounds like a police interrogator but at the same time i can hear him so emotionally affected by this betrayal. This is not only slander and trolling public creators, it's continuously lying to close personal friends to make your image squeaky fucking clean until you get butterfingers and drop your image in the mud. It's just disrespectful to betray your friends' trust in that way over something so insignificant.
I can't for the life of me figure out how Nick forgot about all this and became friends with John again, then immediately fell into being biased towards him again...then did it again another time 🤦
The John Swan Google doc exposes how deceitful and devious John Swan is. Could you imagine writing that all up knowing it's lies? It takes a certain type of person
What's scary is how convincing it was. Part of what made John's doc so good was Dream's video made his own arguments seem weak. John doubled down by targeting those weak points and ended up looking stronger for it.
@@Queen_Nyxie ya dreams evidence was so fkin stupid thag it made John look good. I can’t believe John actually lied abt all that shit. Worst of all he threw deorio under the bus when he didn’t come clean as soon as nick was accused of something.
Honestly I feel kinda bad for Harley he got dragged into this huge thing because two people simply didn’t like him and decided to mess with him, and he reported it like he probably should have.
Man, rewatching it and it really hows how hard John Swan tried to assassinate Dream's character. Doesn't help that Bowblax also featured Charlie's opinion on Dream, trying to get his fans to hate him too. Now I may not like Minecraft content, or even seen a Dream video, but this is just awful.
I don't like Dream myself but there isn't a way to 'take him down' and I think people should maybe stop doing that. There are things that people should definitely do, but 'taking Dream down' isn't going to make Dream take a step back and wonder if he's making the right call on the stans.
It seems like Dream just didn't believe him and wanted to distant himself from this creator due to this. Which is fine, he had valid questions that weren't answered and a lot of doubts that don't line up with his story like he said. He isn't saying he DID this thing but saying he believes it may be untrue. So he will stay clear of this individual. If anything the other people are twisting it a bit. No one is really at fault though just a very clear misunderstanding and a twist of words. No matter the situation Dream is the victim 100%.
I think the fact that he said he didn't like John in his smallest platform aswell kind of suggests that he didn't want this to be huge but at the same time wants people to know he had a reason to dislike John.
@@oliverp3545 yeah but then every commentator channel came out their caves to say “DREAM IS SCUM 100% HE HATES JOHN SWAN WITH A PASSION KILL HIM”.I don’t agree with dream on some things but really,we can’t dislike people anymore on the internet? What is this nazi Germany?
This drama was the perfect example that most commentators are biased and their takes are worthless because they will argue in favor of a side they attach themselves to, either due to common beliefs or because viewing them as "friend", instead of factual reporting on it. Keemstar truely is the only one who reports without a bias nowadadys which is funny af.
I'd say Drama is pointless because it's just people with massive egos not being aware they could be potentialy wrong and other dimwits that have to contextual clue about wtf they're talking about (which includes keemstar). Fuck Drama and fuck everyone that gives a shit about it.
Wait hold on. Am I misunderstanding the whole Nick DeOrio situation? So LtCobra pretended to be Dream, and then changed the fake Dream account's name to Nick DeOrio later...? So not only did they try to throw Dream under the bus...but also one of their own friends?
Nope, he cancelled by folding. He disconnected from the internet. If what you said is "canceling himself" then how come Dream got of scott free? Simply: Dream didn't disconnect
@@cinnastag bro he got cancelled not by folding, but by doubling down on his stupid lie to his friends and refusal to fold until it was too late. He wouldn’t have gotten cancelled nearly as hard if he just admitted it was him being stupid and trolling
@@grandangus5285 No, he folded, he disabled his account and stopped uploading until Dream confessed to cheating. UA-cam stopped pushing him because he stopped following his schedule. "You only get cancelled once you decided to retreat offline"
Dude John's constant "Mmmmm nah, I'm not gonna say anything." "Mmmm you're free to believe what you want." as Nick is literally begging for the truth from him is so anger-inducing. He lied and lied until he was literally forced to confess.
I trust Dream's character, he is arrogant at times, but I trust in his character, and I think he didn't expose John at first after the evidence came up because he didn't want to ruin him. He ended up venting on reddit about something that happened because he knew he didn't have as much visibility and then John took a screenshot and started lying like crazy, making everyone see Dream as the bad guy.
Dream can be an asshle like everyone else, that doesnt mean he needs to be demonized or he always gonna be innocent, but like everyone else he deserves the benefit of the doubt
I feel dream isn’t really a bad guy but in nearly every drama he has been in he’s been in the wrong so I inherently just started to assume he is in the wrong with most things though with this it’s so blatantly obvious he is in the right that bias can’t really get in the way unless you’re heavily biased
But someone would’ve dug that up sooner or later just look at the actor playing ralph dibbny On the flash he posted some racist comments on Twitter 6 years ago and someone dug that up and canceled him and got him fired
@@house2869 Or maybe he should've addressed dream's comment and just admitted he made a mistake in the past and he's sorry. People would've respected that. But no. He doubled down on his lie.
If they were friends, then Nick is a disgusting human being. If they were business associates, then John is a fucking moron for trying to bring Nick into his drama shitfest. Dude's a commentator, and they are known vultures of the youtube community.Of course he will canibalise him for content! This whole drama makes freaking Keemstar look good ffs. Just goes to show how far the commentator community degenerated!
@@agamemnonofmycenae5258 if they were friends nick was in the right to call him out there's 3 minutes left for me in the video and he handled the situation the way he should've. If you don't call your friends out for doing something wrong then you're not friends.
@@coolterra8491 @Franx If they were actually friends, Nick wouldn't have recorded john's confession without john knowing (assumed). And once he knew he could have confronted john about it in private and let him know, that he has the evidence, will go public but give john a day to process the impeding collapse of his youtube career. In the second call you can hear how devastated and shocked john is, and I think it must hurt pretty badly when your friend first tells you they won't go to twitter, and then shits on you publicly, records it and then puts that online as well...
@@annemarie2 he should not have confronted him in private imo. You shouldn't try to slander somebody and then not be given the same treatment of being put on the spot. Everything John did was coming his way no matter what as dream and others already had the evidence and some dude had John's confession for weeks. No matter if he recorded it or not the truth would be revealed he's not a bad friend for exposing someone who was lying and ruining other people's reputations. He's a good person. (Sorry if this was written like idiotically it's 5 am for me and I'm tired)
I just find It ridiculous that John didn’t just admit that he did a little trolling and instead he made a mountain out of a molehill and tried to act like he never did anything.
I think badmouthing someone's personal method to fame is kinda dumb especially when it worked for that person. Dream said he had that cockiness about blowing up and boom he did. Having extreme confidence in your success is important in all fields, sport coaches tell you that, bosses and managers tell you that, your confidence in your work rubs off on those around you. I don't get how that would be seen as a negative personality trait? Also the fact that others agreed with dream but Charlie went to a group of yesmen who added no further opinion on the matter to agree with him. I love critikal but that kinda pathetic shit is something middle schoolers do.
Not only that, but Charli worded it WAY WORSE than Dream himself did. Dream even said something along the lines of "that approach was stupid", but Charli painted it as if Dream was gloating, and had some sort of God complex. I watch both Dream and Charli.. and I know they settled it, but that was just really dumb
TRUEEEEEEEEEEE, I love moist jesus but him not using the correct words to quote dream as effective and truthful as he could kind of made me understand him more and more. Still love him. p.s. I am not good at English, especially serious stuff.
You don't know how arrogance and cockiness ... can be negative personality traits? It's very obvious how and why. It's a double edged sword. Cockiness and confidence can make you, but more often than not it's what breaks you. If you don't control it, it will control you. Especially for 99% of people. Most people dream of making it big. And for those that make it the cockiness is fine. But what if you don't? What if you fail and have to try a more normal walk of life? That same confidence will get you into untold amounts of issues because most people just can't afford to have reckless confidence.
you do serve a good point but if u unintentionally did something that was severely fucked up (not saying that this is fucked up) you would want someone that knows you wouldnt do that intentionally to defend you right?
Maybe I'm just a loser, but if I saw that Dream was starting to think an innocent friend of mine (DeOrio) was part of this stupid scheme, I would have admitted it immediately. I would have shut it down so that my totally innocent friends wouldn't be pulled into my ridiculous lies. Swan would toss his friends to the sharks if he thought it would save himself.
Yeah I agree that I a chad behavior because you are being considerate over your homies unlike John where he threw everyone that trusted him just for shits and giggles honestly I want to give John a chance but what he did was really scummy, like is bad enough but can be blown over if you admit you fucked up or you were trolling but wha the did to others including blowblax was that he made them look like idiots and John didn't feel a sliver of guilt and decided to be vague and dodge nick's questions
@@no_0riginality937 well you see, every language has punctuations. and from the reply you wrote I am pretty sure you know what that is, and I don't care if English was or wasn't your first language. I was simply making a joke.
"I don't spend my time making alt accounts of creators and messaging random people on discord talking about sex mods" - Guy who spent his time making alt accounts of creators and messaging random people on discord talking about sex mods
I'm sorry but the way you put the actual clip and the clip from Charlie talking about how "dream is such a douchebag" was so funny. like showing him going "Uhhh I didn't get to call him a douchebag because everyone was busy complimenting him" and showing the actual clip where everyone was actually just humming in understanding and him actually having a CHANCE to call him a douche but saying he completely disagreed instead was greatlmao
That's called 'reading the room' 🤷♀️. You don't call the 'Hero' a douchebag. A separate but accurate example: 5 friends go for coffee. 3 get Pumpkin, the other 2 think this is funny/basic but the 3 seem really happy. The 2 decide not to roast the pumpkin trio. ✨ Not a Moist/Charlie fan, but I don't think something like this should be too suspect.
@@sammienope9272 i get what you mean but its still a little funny that instead of saying "I didn't wanna ruin the moment so I didn't call him a douchebag but I did say i disagreed" he made it sound like everyone was just lauding dream with compliments and like he couldn't get a word in when absolutely could've lmao. Nothing against moist as I don't like it either but putting those clips together gave me a little chuckle. I'm not like sussing him or anything
@@nathan9931 In that context, I can definitely see why it's funny! I honestly read your post as sarcasm towards Charlie, and that's my bad. It's like when you think your gonna get splashed but it's only a water droplet. Expecting 🌊💀 - Gets ✨💧✨
Imagine if someone logged into Discord and said they were you, sent messages to your fans... are you then obligated to keep your moutth shut? Dream is a person too, a person who should have a right to post a comment on Reddit without people coming and attacking him. This is legit something that happened to him, I hate to say it he's right.
As an Australian that went camping, Discord is the only social media that worked in shit connection for me, even with terrible reception. Discord surprisingly works better than any other social media.
lol this whole drama was so funny to watch from the side lines. this is why u don't automatically side with someone without looking into the person who's 'attacking' the other. doesn't matter if u were buds for years/months.
@@llgg9744 to be completely honest it made a little bit of sense, enough for me to think that it was just dream making a big deal out of something stupid, but it wasnt.
I’ve never rlly watched them, but sheesh the Twitter scape is a shit show. I remember one of that group got cancelled for spelling out the word slave and their name was like trending bc of it meanwhile I’m over here on the CallMeKevin side of UA-cam and he’s joking about how many sims he can trap in one basement and referring to them as “slaves” and no one makes a hassle. I feel bad for them, I’ve never seen fans of something hate the people they’re fans of so much and try to manipulate it and frame it as “hOlDiNg tHeM aCcOunTAblE”
I feel like when people become famous, they go onto other social media apps then meet new people who can be extremely toxic and can ruin your name. That's why If I was famous, then I'd stay on the platform I got famous on
I genuinely never believed John swans side. Who on earth ever believes a guy that says "sorry that was my friend" "my account got hacked" "why would I want to do that?"
Exactly, it's one of the most common excuses when someone is trying to gaslight/manipulate the other. I think we all have used either of these excuses as a kid.
I’ll say this every single time I hear about this: the man did it to himself, and what he did was horrible. People dunked on dream throughout this entire thing most definitely because he was popular and cheated in Minecraft. This situation was awful, and I don’t want to support people who consider what Jon did “not that bad” even before lying to everyone. It’s infuriating because I don’t like Dream, and yet some people can’t seem to tell right from wrong because he has a big name
Dream is on the same boat and should sink just like John. Both are manipulative liars. At least John stopped after a while, Dream lied for over a year hurting many.
@@plzleavemealone9660 can you really blame him? Their is a whole tread how it is made, and it was a developer who was nervous to say to dream that he added the mod cause he thinks he will get fired. It been a long time now since the speed run incident
@@multifan2899 Yes, he's to blame. He knew the people were getting harassed by his fans, well, he took part in the harassment too. And there is no way he ''accidentally'' had others put in mods for him that specifically help with speed-runs. He also knew that his mod team put in and removed those sometimes and he needs those mods for his videos. As if he's not gonna check if they are there are not when those are things he supposedly uses in his videos all the time. You're not seriously buying his bullsh-t story are you?
both are liars. I can’t feel bad for either party. I just kinda laugh. I see it like a “Dumb Bitch” calling another Dumb Bitch a “Dumb Bitch” big ol’ waste of time.
On looking back some things I found pretty funny about the situation are: 1. Harley wasn’t a reputable source WHEN on dreams side but is when on johns side. I just thought it was funny that when Harley flipped the first time to be on johns side they used him as a source but when he saw dreams evidence and no longer felt comfortable with his stance, he’s now no longer “reputable”. 2. The commentary channels claimed to know John, were friends with John, back up his character UNTIL John was found to be a liar then all of a sudden they “barely” know him and they weren’t close. How can u back up the character of someone you barely know? 3. They kept saying that John has no reason to lie about this but like neither did dream. What would he gain? Followers doubt it. Clout yea right. He had nothing to gain while John did. 4. The channels behind John kept saying “there’s nothing on him” “he’s a nice guy” “he’s never done anything like this” but did they do a background check on him? How is it that NONE of his friends knew about the pieman situation and before he can say “there’s nothing on him” did they even do their research since have of them “weren’t that close to him” 5. Last point I think. Is the fact of how much they over looked ALL of dreams points in his stream because of “yep” and “mate”. Dream had some good points and it’s obvious that that was a suspicion he had because he had talked to John before. I don’t know about y’all but I can tell which of my friends text me based on the way the text sound, their vocab, the use of certain words and emoji’s. I don’t really think that point was bad, weak yes, but completely off, no. Anyway that’s all I had to say when I looked back at this situation. Bye
"I'm making an effort to be more professional. I'm trying to be more professional." Aye, my ADHD has me repeat the same shit too, I feel this. I feel ya Harley. XD
@@psychekit948 he was talking like a fucking geek, and i don’t really get why he needed to message that dude anyways lol, like why message a dude who clearly doesn’t like you and you make the conversation ten times more awkward by talking like an alien to be more “professional” lol it was just stupid on the kids part 😂 like dude didn’t needa do that to himself
I think John should've either ignored the reddit post or, alternatively, publicly apologize for the actions of his "family member" and acknowledge that he made a mistake by leaving his discord logged in and that he understands Dream's perspective. I'm pretty sure no one would've found out he lied if he hadn't been so defensive.
I started believing Dream when he spoke about the 12 yo that knew about youtube tos and just all the other things that this "kid" knew. I watched a bunch of youtubers cover this. It was odd to see them ignore some evidence.
I mean... John Swan really cancelled himself by doubling down on a lie that didn't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. Like I hate dream and his stans as much as the average person but what John Swan did was terrible, especially as I was a fan of his work.
@@vandam6057 because he’s a douche bag that was extremely cocky and still is. Waited 7 months to come out about the spreedrun thing. Doesn’t think his stans are a problem at all. Destroyed geosquares career by only admitting to cheating a few months after the situation
John Swan probably doesn't even feel any remorse. In fact, he probably feels tender and defensive about it. He posted on twitter about leaving again and I said "stay gone this time" and that was enough to earn a block. Sensitive little twat lmao.
@@localguarherder534 “my mom just died” “and she should stay dead” How are you surprised that when you are rude to someone they block you? I’m not defending the guy, but you just sound like a jackass
I've heard about this Dream vs John Swan saga on-and-off for several months now, but I never sat down to get it all figured out. This looks like it will be an interesting next two hours. Thanks for doing it.
He’s saying those who don’t think for themselves are biased because they are, you see someone you follow and like form an opinion they blindly agree without a second thought, STANS do exactly this.
@@psychekit948 That's not what he said at all. He knows the stigma surrounding the word "stan", and he knows as soon as someone will say "stan", everyone else thinks "bad". So he used that to his advantage to make people agree with him by painting everyone who disagrees with him a stan. And who wants to be on the side of the stan, right?
Listening to the conversation between Nick and John was PAAINFUL holy shit. You can hear the hurt and betrayal and confusion in Nick's voice as he tries to wrap his head around why someone he considered a friend would drag them all through hell for so long, all while he had the power to put a stop to it
Yeah..... Hell and this is me John will come back and tried to act like nothing had happened and his friends and fans will be with it. I'm gonna call this now
@@Blue_Maxine So basically he did. Like no hate to John but the fact people were fine with it and he gained trust that quickly shows double standards in the commentary community
@@illicitbike2782 nah none of his old friends fuck with him anymore. he still has fans but not from that side of the commentary community (nick/augie/bowblax)
@@mandapanties You realized that within the timeframe (10-11 months) he came back and some of his old friends within still gives him support? Yeah fans I agree but those are completely different then people he recorded with much less have interaction with. Hell he deleted his twitter (or wipe clean) more times then James Charles get called for not making a response.
Lmao seeing Nicks tweets is funny, regardless of how much he believed Swan he had the integrity to admit that he was wrong after evidence came out against Swan. Not only that he was the one who dealt the “deathblow” to Swan.
Yeah, that's why I find it so fucking shitty of Keem to just, be an absolute ass about it. Like, yes, I don't like the dude and yes he was wrong, but at least he has the balls to admit that.
Blow swan cancelled himself by lying to his creator friends and getting them to defend him and expecting them to go along with the lie even after they found out the truth.
No, he cancelled himself by turning off his account and not posting content. Remember: Dream also did exactly this, but he didn't get cancelled (though that was a goal)
Wow. I was almost certain from dream's mannerisms that he was being genuine, but i figured it was all a colossal misunderstanding between the two. What a twist ending!
I think it's safe to say that dream learned his lesson the first time with the speed run and he wouldn't do it again and seeing how this time he won considering NO ONE believed him, no one will really do this against him again
I really hope dream learned well from that whole cheating scandal-- because the constant harassment he gets really bothers me. Like people always say learn from your mistakes but it just seems like this guy cannot catch a break
@@siyuren7723 I think he said that he might do it just for fun without submitting it anywhere, but I’m not sure. I’m sure he does it off camera though lol
listening to nick and john's convo, not even a single apology when nick mentioned john dragged them all into that mess and even when john admitted to being happy to accept their defense back then. wow
What is this guy's deal? I'm currently at the point of him talking to his friend about it and he's just so vague, and when he finally admits, he doesn't care that he drug his friends into this drama. I lie constantly but I do it to make people happy, not for myself. This is just psychopath levels, and he's guilt-tripping people, one of my most hated things people do.
Keem has such a grounded view of stuff like this because his entire internet career has been about capitalizing drama. He has both been a harasser and the harassed. The dude might as well have a PhD in online drama. It’s practically his whole online career for like a decade plus.
Dream"I was cocky and did dumb things starting out but sometimes that's what you have to do, just dont be as overconfident as me" Charle:"and I took that personally"
Well... Do you think that either of them are humble enough to even attempt that? Dream said in a stream a few weeks or so after the Drama had ended that he still didn't like John Swan so I'm not sure if the bad blood between them has drained or not.
I'm baffled how he turned such a small joke into a self-cancel. Like I honestly don't think he'll be able to bounce back. You could just comment 'dream google doc' and his credibility's turned into smoke.
John cancelled himself. You and your friends are ok with liars and you’ve proven that time and time again while trying to be the moral high ground on this website
@@voidsoul8373 honestly I lost respect for him,everyone likes to point out dreams faults but look at bowblax,he gave his all to defend John swan,gave a half assed apology when John exposed himself,then was stupid enough to continue to please John’s lying ass by not only not calling him out for this but being his bitch.Let’s not forget he’s got a hate boner not for dreams stans,but for dream himself.I love his content but seriously,he isn’t an angel,none of these commentators are,and the community needs to realize that before they jump on the hate train.
I noticed people expect Dream to be some kind of perfect person- when he's only 22 and stuff. He makes one mistake and he can't live it down for a LONG time. Prob because of his fame, people tend to do that.
Dream accidentally invited a groomer into his smp, whom being expose only after the invitation a few hours, and whom being kicked out by dream himself only after the invitation a day. Everything is just happened so quickly that idek there's a person who'd just joined the smp. And, the only thing haters see is "dream invited a groomer to his smp" lol
I didn't buy John Swan's excuse from the start. Why would you LEAVE your personal Discord signed into ANOTHER PERSON'S COMPUTER? No matter if he only had 6K had the time.
I'm not an Internet personality. I'm not in a large amount of servers or anything either. I would still never leave my accounts logged in on someone else's devices, and I'd like to believe most other people also wouldn't.
Man, now that you say that, I remember thinking to myself, 'How commonly do people get hacked, especially for s*it like this?', but I dismissed it. Really shows my bias against Dream. I really need to realize that, yeah, Dream has done bad things, but never to the level of racism, unless he's deranged or something.
@@rodolforichmond7141 Thank you for recognising that. I must admit, for the Dream speedrun controversy I let my bias blind myself and defended Dream until I realized I was wrong the whole time. I think both people who like and people who dislike Dream should make sure to keep their bias in check, otherwise you end up arguing with people all day long, with zero logic involved.
He could've apologies even jokingly something along the lines of "Oh sorry dream we we're just trolling when we we're younger, sorry about that mate." BUT NOPE gotta dig that hole nice and deep. I will fucking bet my left nut that if he apologies on a similar manner, everyone would've forgotten about it the next day. I mean theres going to be stan that'd raise some bullshit but everything will disappear within a week.
This was the exact moment that forced me to make up my mind, i took the side of Jon Swan when this all first broke down, simply because i trusted his views and always thouht his word was true. However afterwards when all of it broke i was completely thrown back, this very situation was the reason i decided to fully commit to not choosing a side
*”They’re only sorry when they get caught.”*
- Everyone
Who was caught doing what
@@k_to_the_c123 5:57
If that quote was true I'd castrate my self
@@drco3062 same
@@meco7956 John didn't get caught for doing anything
I love how an argument against dream in general is that he's arrogant, meanwhile when John is confronted by nick, he acts all arrogant and like he's above it all. Hypocrite
They can both be arrogant
I think it's because messaging gives you more time to think about what you're sending, but when you're confronted on call you have to answer fast or the other person might think that you're making up something. so yeah, his channel is crashing down probably
Can I just mention that KeemStar was acting like a tsundere girl towards John? This is just straight up hilarious
Yes lmao
"FINE! i will DM you this 1 time but it DOES not mean i want to or LIKE YOU!" - tsundere keem
Keemsped
John x KeemStar?
True
The 'yup' thing was stupid but Dream had so many fucking good points and everyone ignored it for the ONE bad point he made. This is the perfect example of what the internet is like in the modern era.
@Kelvin I do agree that language analysis can be and is a valid way of connecting the dots, but he had SO MUCH evidence outside of that point that I feel as if it weakened the rest of his arguments.
Yep.
He kinda swung and miss on the yup and mate thing. I'm actually surprised to hear that he thinks yup is such a strange way to say it, i'm going to say 99 percent of people i know, use it occasionally.
@@ExarchGaming I don't know anyone who uses yup, irl or online while chatting. I guess it just depends on the area you live in and the people you find around yourself.
@@Neon-Starr yeah that shocks me dude lol. It def has to come down to regional slang, and situation, i'll more than often use yup, rather than yea, if i'm pissed off, or annoyed and like say my mom is asking me on the phone about the situation.
dream before : "Accidentally cheats"
dream now : "Accidentally Cancelled John Swan"
Accident prone I guess.
Nice Billy Bob pfp
@@ToyFreddyGaming1987 he’s a bumbling idiot, I don’t think he deserves this platform
dream after : "Accidentally kills someone"
@@aloisia1118 I keep thinking about that cringy music video he made because of this, makes it much funnier
Man I remember when this epic saga unfolded, it was a roller coaster of emotions and plot twists lmao
Especially at the end of the John swan arc, and the plot twist that he really did lie
No it wasn't john was dumb and everyone with a brain knew he lied
the story was better than game of thrones season 8
Nah it was pretty gay
Yep
The fact that Keemstar was one of the only people thinking logically was terrifying and hilarious.
bc i think he didint give dream any bias since most people defending john has an absolute bias against dream and its kina horifying since keem is gonna bring up this situation again for being right (i dont like or hate keem but i hate his gnome side)
Yea he’s such a diva tho honestly
Honestly as weird as it is he’s in the right in most situations but he just has to act like a twat so everyone hates him, he would be quite respected for his opinions if his personality didn’t get in the way.
@@Dayman420 personally, I think Keem wants people to hate him. I personally don't know his relationships offline and off camera with his associates and family.
@@seishonagon8468 You might be right but even watching him when he’s with his friends and has no reason to try antagonise people he acts this way, for example when he was on the cold ones podcast, that was just a baited reunion and he’s still quite unlikable there, he definitely does try to make people hate him but even when he isn’t doing that he is still not a very likeable person, I hate it because he’s usually pretty spot on.
The fact that Dream had all the information to prove without a shadow of a doubt that John had done it for A WEEK and still tried to resolve it privately shows that Dream showed major restraint.
It also speaks to his character. Certain people like to clown on him but at the end of the day Dream is just a normal dude... whom makes god awful CGI music videos
But still normal dude
@@darkmetal2412 or make out he’s psychopath or something
@@darkmetal2412 oh right, the “normal pills “
I officially hate Dream now
@@p.unintended why
His Channel only has 165K subs and around 20 uploads (he just happened to have a handful of videos go viral / do well), his career hadn't even taken off yet and at the same time his career is also far from doomed. If he still wants to do UA-cam he can easily turn it all around or if he doesn't want to he can easily just let it all crash. His last two videos got 25K and 45K views, that's actually decent for a Channel his size it just sucks in comparison to his recent history. I think his Channel could just as easily blow up as it could die out the odds are 50/50.
@Endor nice one
yea, john swan funked up bad.
If the monkey on his back was just some silly lies a comeback wouldn't be difficult. Using an autistic guy to learn about how autistic kids do things, then blaming an autistic 12 year old for your actions makes it a bit harder
Its more the voice call between John and Nick which is bad for me. If more people were in the know with that call I think hed be in a lot more shit.
I can't see him making a comeback, and even if he does idk how anyone could respect or trust him. It would be different if he didn't take this as far as he did, but he doubled down to such a degree that I don't think there's a word in the dictionary for it.
Damn, DeOrio sounded pretty hurt near the end. John should've just been honest with his friend. That ending was just so sad.
And then Keem just had to get in one last blow
Yeah that was hard to watch
Deorio pisses me off so much some times i cant sub to him but i def like and watch his vids
@@frozenyogurth he had it coming,in this situation nick was played like a fiddle,but he’s not a good person
I actually feel real bad for Nick. He backed his bro, he trusted him. And it bit him in the ass. Even in the end when they were talking about him, while livid around the situation. He still seemed like he was trying to give him advice. But he did the right thing with his final words on the situation and burning the bridge with Swan.
It's not a popular opinion but I really like Nick he recently called out repzilla on something and he told him "I care more about the truth than your feelings" lol
I don't follow any of these guys and know of them very slightly. But, I probably don't feel bad for Nick or any of them. They chose to back up John based on liking him more, being buds, and his reputation.
If you know psychology a little bit, you would know that's how machivellian influence cognative misers.
I just hoped he learned a lesson that mental short cuts are not a replacement for evidence and good deduction.
@@leahacevedo450 Ofc they defended him bc they believed their friend wouldn't lie to them. Friends not being impartial doesn't mean they're sheeple; his friends had no reason to think he'd lie bc to their knowledge he hadn't ever lied to them before. And his friends did confront him when the evidence became overwhelming, like they should.
@@tammymac6067 Weeeell. You're right about one thing IMO. Having a biase doesn't make you a sheeple. So, I will correct that.
BUT, backing up someone's claim or defending them against accusation based solely on them being your friend or your experience of them being positive. NOT based on evidence or deduction IMO is a lack of integrity. I will die on that hill. You can't change my mind. Your not helping your friend your enabling them. Not cool. That's how a manipulative person works, based of fallacious logic... hence the comment about cognative misers.
If you don't know. SAY YOU DON'T KNOW or remain neutral.
He confronted his friend AFTER he fucked up and proclaimed his innocence. How about not speaking when you don't know the answer. I think Nick learned that. Experience being the teacher.
@@tammymac6067 if you're going to be in the commentary community, the actual commentary one, not the larger one that includes tea and drama channels but people of the caliber of say TRO(which was HILARIOUS to hear keem keep saying it like it wasn't an acronym) you should know better than to just give in to bias because it damages credibility in this field. I am honestly pretty shocked that Keem was actually right.
Most of the discord calls with John at the end were basically just him saying "No...No... No..." Over and over.
He knows he’s backed into a corner but keep refusing to accept it
no wonder he backed out of the interview lol
dream needs to be picked up as a va for some deranged detective in a show or movie because any time he makes a detective stream or drama stream looking at receipts its the funniest thing ever. like he knows how to put on some good theatrics
can you imagine dream giving opinions on drama? that man gets cancelled over dumb shit every other day, it would be HILARIOUS to see his fanbases reaction.
His detective streams were deadass so funny at many parts 😭
Oh my god, they both were capitalizing their sentences, THIS IS PROOF
@@Kassakohl _gasp_
I mean, his villian role play in his smp make me chill lol
I was expecting a Twitter vs Activision blizzard but this will suffice....
wait I dont use twitter so can you send me a video or somethin on them because they made my childhood with skylanders so see then in drama I wanna see whats up with em
Most of the male workers at Activision Blizzard sexually harassed multiple female workers and the company is just very horrible. There is so much to say, but I suggest researching.
Duck I cannot wait for that haha, it is going to be sad but also hilarious.
@@OddOneRogue just search it up on UA-cam.
Though I will say this the allegations haven't been 100% confirmed or went through the courts but Activision blizzard is in trouble and another PR nightmare with people out with pitch forks.
@@smcool0514 wasn't it just some and not most?
And I hate to be the guy but even though we do have reason to believe Activision/blizzard isn't above doing that they are allegations in a court right now so I would go around saying its 100% true.
man i forgot how dumb this whole thing was lmao. this whole thing revolves around the idea that john swan is entitled to dream believing him, like dream didnt need to prove john was lying because he never said john swan was lying, he just said that he didnt believe john, which was true, dream didnt believe him. the statement "dream doesnt believe john" can be true without "john lied" also having to be true, and this all could've went away quietly and been forgotten had john and other commentators not felt that john was so entitled to dream believing him.
like if he would've started with that document nobody wouldve cared, but instead he fought and fought and fought
Yh like the bias was insane even if the other persons track record sucks dont jump on a side cant believe people took the "oh wasnt me was relative" excuse as the gospel without questioning it insane
Dream: yeah, based on some past interactions i dont think John is a very honest person
The entire commentary community: You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies???
Well _obviously_ ! We are all _clearly_ of the highest moral standard and would *_never_* lie!
That was the part that was always so wild to me. Like, even if John was innocent, dream still wouldn’t have don’t anything wrong by saying he personally got bad vibes bc this thing allegedly happened and he didn’t believe it.
All commentary channels are cowards. But the harley kid was clout chasin
Wow. the end kinda says it all. When he said he'd rather Nick just never talk to him again instead of telling people the truth he is essentially saying "your friendship is worthless to me and I'd trade your life for a ham sandwich, even one without cheese".
That's so rough lol
Ham sandwich without cheese is a crime. The whole discord call was rlly sad. U can tell nick was so confused and didn’t know whether to be mad or sad.
That's not what he said. He said, "I understand if you never talked to me again".
More like how John Swan cancelled himself. This drama could've been over by saying "oh yeah, I trolled."
true but i gotta have dream in the title for views lol
That's not how you get views
@@Bowblax2 lmao
@@cinnastag 20+ million subscriber youtuber who has been getting millions of subscribers per 1-3 months is a really good way of getting that moolah
@@Bowblax2 your on dat grind
There’s a double standard. Commentator criticised hundreds of UA-camrs with no backlash. UA-cam criticised said Commentator. UA-camr is the bad guy
But officer, I didn’t kill the victim the gun did.
Felt
Which commentator? John literally has only 22 videos so I can only assume you mean keem.
@streak gaming, exaggeration exists, dumbass.
My opinion is it’s like John only gets a rifle but every move Dream makes is like Mega Nuclear Godzilla.
Dream has a lot more damage.
Both sides equally have the right to talk, to share their points.
"How Dream accidentally cancelled John swan" more like "How John Swan accidentally cancelled himself"
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"Yup , Mate!" 😂
LAMSOAKADB YEA
i find it hilarious how the entirety of the commentary community believed the oldest trick in the book
"my friend did it"
The fact that gmod admins don’t even fall for that should tell you how far commentary channels have devolved
they really acted like john had some elaborate web of lies when his argument was literally "bro trust me, my 12 year old autistic friend grabbed my phone ahaha"
I mean, the way he explained it makes since, but maybe im just an idiot :/
@Fredrik i mean they know a lot about controversies, so they'd probably be careful obviously didn't work
My God they just did and I only realized that trick when u said it
Harley: Okay maybe john did it
John: EVERYONE knows you can't trusts Harley
Okay, I remember a few weeks ago I was watching a Homeboys Got Receipts stream to see if I can hear anything about creepshowart, but what I did end up hearing was Nicholas Deorio said "I don't like harleytbs" n stuff like that, and I wrote in the chat "but harley is just a kid" as in a minor. And they read it on stream n laughed which is dumb.
But anyway, literally??? That matches up with how john swan was the one messaging harley, and then attacking harley, etc.
So 👀 yeah.
He liked Harely but the Harely said maybe it was John and then he went "U CAN'T TRUST HARLEY"
@@JesusRodriguez-rs8jq 👁️👄👁️ ill assume ur a kid too and block u. I don't need that shit in my life.
@@yukiandkanamekuran you can't say that, im a minor.
see how stupid that is? you fucking weeb
@@yukiandkanamekuran Umm, being a kid is not really a reason to not be hated, just saying.
It irks me that so many people automatically believed John because “he wouldn’t do that” and their prior biases towards dream.
In the end it was satisfying to see all the shocked reactions of those people...... I also had a blast spamming " This aged like milk" on the older vids.
I was so obvious when you looked at his excuses. Like all the signs were there.
@@pocketmonster6437 exactly, he only had those "hand caught in the cookie jar" excuses
It's not exactly rhat there was any proof immediately anyways, it made sense to believe John anyways
@@andrewvillatoro4605 I disagree. He gave the one of the oldest excuses in the book and while it was possible, you shouldn’t have just instantly believed him.
i like how dream said, thank you for the apology. And then keem is out here saying "Dear John Swan, i do NOT accept your apology!" like the whole thing was based around him lol
Classic keem L
Even when he is right, he is in the wrong...
The sad thing about this whole thing is the fact that Johnswan hid behind his friends while they took the flak.
What a COWARD.
I remember when I was still in elementary school, I made a hateful comment on a "toy" or "animal" Sans fight animation, saying it was "stupid and for babies", but then when people got mad at me, I also used the same excuse as Swan and said "a friend went on my account without my permission and said that stuff, but I scolded them, sorry". So I don't exactly believe excuses like this lmao
Animal sans fight? Bro wtf u watching
Yeah. That's the excuse I used when i was on AOL Instant Messenger and told my crush that I thought she was HAWT (I probably did really spell it that way -_-) and then I told her that I had walked away to get a snack and my friend did that as a joke. She....did not believe me.
I suppose the fact that when I made my AIM username it had the same 4 digits at the end as hers did (lol). you'd think that would have been a decent clue?
ugh it hurts my soul to think about!
@@idontwantahandlethough I hate it when friends think it's okay to go through your stuff and pose as you in texts and such (a.k.a. messing with your social life). Let them know that that behavior is unacceptable, because they could really mess things up for you, whether they meant to or not (even if it's done just as a joke).
@@soundtheartist9212 Hahahahahahaha wait are you kidding? It was me. I was the one who asked her out, I was just young and embarrassed and she didn't immediately say yes so i chickened out
@@idontwantahandlethough Yeah, I was joking lmao
When Dream said that’s just a theory I was planning to say out loud a game theory, he said it at the same time and it made me laugh so much. If Dream does these detective streams as a joke I would love that.
Honestly that would be a good cool switch to dreams new content
i was going to say a food theory
he did some theories a bit ago on game theory and I was just watching game theory earlier today so it was my first instinct " A GAME THEORY "
"excuse me, why is there a neon green blob in the recording booth?"- Matthew Patrick in a Minecraft lore episode probably
Thats just a theory, A GAME THEORY!!!!!!
When "But, he has stans!" becomes an argument to an controversy and an entire community of people who bragged about being critical and fair just buys it you can see how far our society has come
Society hasn't come too far, mob mentality has been a thing for decades, especially amongst adolescents and pre-teens
This is coming from a kpop stan
Stans do suck though
@@sanicspeed1672 LMAO, priceless
@@tanner201x8 Well, some are actually really nice once you get to know them... but yeah, a lot are insane. I got called a stan once by just using the SMP... AS A FREAKING EXAMPLE FOR A PHOBIA I THOUGHT I MADE UP. Irrational fear of Gods! It's actually called Zeusophobia!
Even without hindsight, it kind of pisses me off how people treated this entire situation from the very start. I can't stand Dream, but the fact that everyone was on Johns side was ridiculous and clearly it was done because of bias.
Yeah, dreams a jerk but not a scumbag
@@liamcastillo2902 wait, what did dream do?
@@mujiescomedy279 lie about cheating and giving terrible advice
@@liamcastillo2902 😅🤣😂that's it
@@liamcastillo2902 is that the only reason
I still can’t believe he used the old “I got hacked” exuse.
And it almost worked
I still don't know why john just shot himself in the foot, and added fuel to the fire
More like in the heart and was trying to blame dream while he’s bleeding out
probably for attention cause you know..
Have you ever done something that you later realise you shouldn’t of and then get nervous about owning up to it. It was basically a snowball of lies which never ends well
@@Palindome I mean I haven't but dream has
@@Palindome So basically what happened with both content creators?
As someone who was on Dreams side all along with the drama, which I'll admit was probably because of my biases, I found it utterly hilarious when John Swan jus admitted it lol
I mean, imagine how hard it is to have 98% of ppl following the situation against you, ready to cancel your online career. swan waited for the moment where lot of them just forgot about it (or didn't care) then struck out and admitted it. THAT is what's most scary about this, this is not lying. this is master manipulation.
dream sucks :]
@@nickeno
he was in the right in this situation, cry about it
@@micheal009 He's a cheating scum bag. He shouldn't have a pltform to be right anymore. He should be gone. Fuck you cheating loving morons.
@@excellseeus-streamsandclip3562
lmao are you dumb im not talking about the cheating situation?? im talking about THIS situation, why would i be talking about the cheating situation on a video totally irrelevant to it. in this situation, dream was in the right and john was in the wrong. i didn’t say shit abt the cheating scandal, idk why you’re bringing it up
I kind of think it's funny, Swan canceled himself, if he had ignored the reddit comment nothing would have happened.
Or if he owned up to it and just said that he did it back then and he was edgy. If people can forgive keem, Idubbz, etc. for saying the n word when they were edge lords then they should forgive him. It’s sad that he did this
@@jqpser181 Exactly it could've been handled privately and if he ignored it but the damn idiot played himself
I mean that's pretty much not getting cancelled in a nutshell, if you ignore it for long enough it'll finally disappear
@@jqpser181 but look at the actor for Ralph on the flash he posted some racist comments on Twitter 6 years ago and a Twitter user dug that up and got everybody to cancel him and he lost he’s acting spot on the flash cause of that
@@isaacsanchez9038 to be fair, i think it's different when it comes to actors because there's boards of pr and executives making decisions about what looks best for their shows image/success. but on the internet, careers are fuelled by fans/viewers and there are plenty of viewers who don't care about how problematic the creators are... he could have found audience there...
Don't let this distract you from the fact that bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum
Holy shit
Don't let this distract you from the fact that we still don't know who did the bite of 87.
@@ToyFreddyGaming1987 NOO I NEED TO KNOW
GooOOOoOoOoOoOon OoOoOoOoOOoO
Don’t let this distract you from the fact Nezuko was turned into a demon
The John Swan situation is kinda sad in retrospect considering he's a lawyer. Y'know, someone who's supposed to be honest about evidence and important matters.
Edit: I have now realized I might've confused this guy for Legal Eagle. Whoops.
Wait, really? Then that makes everything 100x's worse. Imagine having him as a lawyer.. Man I feel bad.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttt?!?!?!
Lawyers, being honest?! Those words do not belong in a sentence together.
Lawyers are supposed to know the law and how to maneuver around it, not follow it like a client.
You probably talking about auditors?
Uhhh... honestly? I bet he's a good lawyer, based off of this. A lawyers job isn't always necessarily about the truth. Sometimes, it's *specifically* NOT about the truth. And to be honest, I came into this knowing nothing, and I kinda believed him for the first bit there. He was fairly convincing using an argument that I thought I would never believe ("OH SORRY THAT WASN'T ME IT WAS MY LITTLE BROTHER WHO ASKED YOU OUT I SWEAR!!!1!"). All things considered, that's some solid arguing. I think I'd hire him if he wasn't such a scumbag. Who am I kidding.. I'd hire him anyway.
Edit: I say that all under the assumption that he's a defense attorney. If he's, let's say, a prosecutor for the state, or some asshat arguing to let BP dump oil on penguins, then I hope he never works again, because he is obviously not ethically responsible at all.
The call with Nick and John is so sad and heartbreaking oh my god. Nick sounds like a police interrogator but at the same time i can hear him so emotionally affected by this betrayal. This is not only slander and trolling public creators, it's continuously lying to close personal friends to make your image squeaky fucking clean until you get butterfingers and drop your image in the mud. It's just disrespectful to betray your friends' trust in that way over something so insignificant.
I can't for the life of me figure out how Nick forgot about all this and became friends with John again, then immediately fell into being biased towards him again...then did it again another time 🤦
The John Swan Google doc exposes how deceitful and devious John Swan is. Could you imagine writing that all up knowing it's lies? It takes a certain type of person
What's scary is how convincing it was. Part of what made John's doc so good was Dream's video made his own arguments seem weak. John doubled down by targeting those weak points and ended up looking stronger for it.
@@Queen_Nyxie ya dreams evidence was so fkin stupid thag it made John look good. I can’t believe John actually lied abt all that shit. Worst of all he threw deorio under the bus when he didn’t come clean as soon as nick was accused of something.
I think this is the heart of the outrage
@retrobeats if you don't trust people you can never be manipulated it's 10 mil iq.
@@coolterra8491or if you have like…common sense? i think not trusting anyone would get lonely loll
Honestly I feel kinda bad for Harley he got dragged into this huge thing because two people simply didn’t like him and decided to mess with him, and he reported it like he probably should have.
Feel bad for starving African kids surviving famines. Harley will be okay.
Man, rewatching it and it really hows how hard John Swan tried to assassinate Dream's character.
Doesn't help that Bowblax also featured Charlie's opinion on Dream, trying to get his fans to hate him too.
Now I may not like Minecraft content, or even seen a Dream video, but this is just awful.
I don't like Dream myself but there isn't a way to 'take him down' and I think people should maybe stop doing that.
There are things that people should definitely do, but 'taking Dream down' isn't going to make Dream take a step back and wonder if he's making the right call on the stans.
@@seratope I'd rather we make kpoopers hold their shitty fans accountable before we ask the same of literal whos on youtube lol
@@mezmezzy1870 I think twitter bad in general
@@seratope trueeeee
@@seratope To be fair the only thing that could truly take him down is Dream himself or time itself.
It seems like Dream just didn't believe him and wanted to distant himself from this creator due to this. Which is fine, he had valid questions that weren't answered and a lot of doubts that don't line up with his story like he said. He isn't saying he DID this thing but saying he believes it may be untrue. So he will stay clear of this individual. If anything the other people are twisting it a bit. No one is really at fault though just a very clear misunderstanding and a twist of words.
No matter the situation Dream is the victim 100%.
I think the fact that he said he didn't like John in his smallest platform aswell kind of suggests that he didn't want this to be huge but at the same time wants people to know he had a reason to dislike John.
@@oliverp3545 yeah but then every commentator channel came out their caves to say “DREAM IS SCUM 100% HE HATES JOHN SWAN WITH A PASSION KILL HIM”.I don’t agree with dream on some things but really,we can’t dislike people anymore on the internet? What is this nazi Germany?
no matter the situation, Dream is A victim*
if the family friend stuff is true, john swan is a victim and harley is a victim as well
@@yuerry you're a bit behind aren't you?
@@oliverp3545 they’re definitely behind
This drama was the perfect example that most commentators are biased and their takes are worthless because they will argue in favor of a side they attach themselves to, either due to common beliefs or because viewing them as "friend", instead of factual reporting on it.
Keemstar truely is the only one who reports without a bias nowadadys which is funny af.
Commentary Community has always thrived on negativity.
Except with pyro
@@brochiing4295 nah pyro was almost there but he caught himself before it got bad
Meant with the keem not having a bias part
I'd say Drama is pointless because it's just people with massive egos not being aware they could be potentialy wrong and other dimwits that have to contextual clue about wtf they're talking about (which includes keemstar). Fuck Drama and fuck everyone that gives a shit about it.
I watched the whole video
Somehow
Love ya nubbz, congrats on finishing your month.
didn't expected to see you here so do you main spike instead of crow i asked this because you change your profile picture
It's the brawl stars man! Surprised to see you
Same, mr. checkmark.
same
John Swan's apology is about as genuine as James Charles' promise for not texting minors
Wait hold on. Am I misunderstanding the whole Nick DeOrio situation? So LtCobra pretended to be Dream, and then changed the fake Dream account's name to Nick DeOrio later...? So not only did they try to throw Dream under the bus...but also one of their own friends?
Yup
@@blehblblehbl7535 bro you just said yup you gotta be another alt aswell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(jk)
@@blehblblehbl7535 oh shit cancel cancellll
Oh shit i just realised that
Now thats even MORE fucked up than i though
I would’ve rather said John canceled himself, by lying and wanting attention for just no god damn reason
Nope, he cancelled by folding. He disconnected from the internet.
If what you said is "canceling himself" then how come Dream got of scott free? Simply: Dream didn't disconnect
@@cinnastag True, he should’ve written another doc 😂
@@cinnastag bro he got cancelled not by folding, but by doubling down on his stupid lie to his friends and refusal to fold until it was too late. He wouldn’t have gotten cancelled nearly as hard if he just admitted it was him being stupid and trolling
@@grandangus5285 No, he folded, he disabled his account and stopped uploading until Dream confessed to cheating.
UA-cam stopped pushing him because he stopped following his schedule.
"You only get cancelled once you decided to retreat offline"
Honestly one of the dumbest cancels lol
DIDNT EXPECT BOBLAX TO DROP ANOTHER DOCUMENTARY BUT IM NOT COMPLAINING
Gotta keep that money rollin'
deadass thought it was a normal video 💀
Bowblax not boblax
@@clubpenguinisonthewii8101 same until i saw the 2 hour thing lol
You left capslock on
Dude John's constant "Mmmmm nah, I'm not gonna say anything." "Mmmm you're free to believe what you want." as Nick is literally begging for the truth from him is so anger-inducing. He lied and lied until he was literally forced to confess.
he sounds like the guy in that one video where his mom is telling him to go to the bathroom
@@dashat3938 john was the actual villian though youre believing a lie??
Bro that call annoyed the life out of me omfg
@@spiderycider oh sorry i changed my mind! but still leave than man alone! he got cancelled now give him a break!
@@dashat3938 but he brought it upon himself by lying
I trust Dream's character, he is arrogant at times, but I trust in his character, and I think he didn't expose John at first after the evidence came up because he didn't want to ruin him. He ended up venting on reddit about something that happened because he knew he didn't have as much visibility and then John took a screenshot and started lying like crazy, making everyone see Dream as the bad guy.
Exactly!
Jon literally dug his own grave. I feel like he brought it up out of fear it would gain traction and wanted to get ahead of it before it exploded.
Dream can be an asshle like everyone else, that doesnt mean he needs to be demonized or he always gonna be innocent, but like everyone else he deserves the benefit of the doubt
I think that he only made dream seem like the antagonist because of what everyone has heard about him so of course everyone decided to side with john
I feel dream isn’t really a bad guy but in nearly every drama he has been in he’s been in the wrong so I inherently just started to assume he is in the wrong with most things though with this it’s so blatantly obvious he is in the right that bias can’t really get in the way unless you’re heavily biased
He accidentally canceled himself. He called out Dream on a reddit comment that only had like 30 upvotes. Bruh. He could've just kept quiet. Smh.
Cockiness got the swan again
But someone would’ve dug that up sooner or later just look at the actor playing ralph dibbny
On the flash he posted some racist comments on Twitter 6 years ago and someone dug that up and canceled him and got him fired
You know how dream stans are. It’s even stated in the video on how it would be completely dug out and spread like wildfire.
@@house2869 Or maybe he should've addressed dream's comment and just admitted he made a mistake in the past and he's sorry. People would've respected that. But no. He doubled down on his lie.
That last bit with Nick confronting John, holy shit, he absolutely annihilated John. Man even rage quit the call lmao.
If they were friends, then Nick is a disgusting human being.
If they were business associates, then John is a fucking moron for trying to bring Nick into his drama shitfest. Dude's a commentator, and they are known vultures of the youtube community.Of course he will canibalise him for content! This whole drama makes freaking Keemstar look good ffs. Just goes to show how far the commentator community degenerated!
@@agamemnonofmycenae5258 if they were friends nick was in the right to call him out there's 3 minutes left for me in the video and he handled the situation the way he should've. If you don't call your friends out for doing something wrong then you're not friends.
@@coolterra8491 yeah I don't get how nick is a disgusting human being. He did the right thing by confronting that asshole.
@@coolterra8491 @Franx If they were actually friends, Nick wouldn't have recorded john's confession without john knowing (assumed). And once he knew he could have confronted john about it in private and let him know, that he has the evidence, will go public but give john a day to process the impeding collapse of his youtube career. In the second call you can hear how devastated and shocked john is, and I think it must hurt pretty badly when your friend first tells you they won't go to twitter, and then shits on you publicly, records it and then puts that online as well...
@@annemarie2 he should not have confronted him in private imo. You shouldn't try to slander somebody and then not be given the same treatment of being put on the spot. Everything John did was coming his way no matter what as dream and others already had the evidence and some dude had John's confession for weeks. No matter if he recorded it or not the truth would be revealed he's not a bad friend for exposing someone who was lying and ruining other people's reputations. He's a good person. (Sorry if this was written like idiotically it's 5 am for me and I'm tired)
I just find It ridiculous that John didn’t just admit that he did a little trolling and instead he made a mountain out of a molehill and tried to act like he never did anything.
I mean...have you seen what Dream stans do if you outright admit that shit?
@@cinnastag What do they do
@@cinnastag Yeah but he still could have been honest and I think either way he still would have gotten attacked by the stans
@@TechSaintHD I mean...he did get doxxed after he apologised, not prior...so there is that?
@@Kdogking They kinda doxxed John after he apologised. Have doxxed people before, not going to stop any time soon
I think badmouthing someone's personal method to fame is kinda dumb especially when it worked for that person. Dream said he had that cockiness about blowing up and boom he did. Having extreme confidence in your success is important in all fields, sport coaches tell you that, bosses and managers tell you that, your confidence in your work rubs off on those around you. I don't get how that would be seen as a negative personality trait? Also the fact that others agreed with dream but Charlie went to a group of yesmen who added no further opinion on the matter to agree with him. I love critikal but that kinda pathetic shit is something middle schoolers do.
Not only that, but Charli worded it WAY WORSE than Dream himself did. Dream even said something along the lines of "that approach was stupid", but Charli painted it as if Dream was gloating, and had some sort of God complex.
I watch both Dream and Charli.. and I know they settled it, but that was just really dumb
TRUEEEEEEEEEEE, I love moist jesus but him not using the correct words to quote dream as effective and truthful as he could kind of made me understand him more and more. Still love him. p.s. I am not good at English, especially serious stuff.
Charlie is just an edge lord and I personally cannot understand why he is so popular.
You don't know how arrogance and cockiness ... can be negative personality traits? It's very obvious how and why. It's a double edged sword. Cockiness and confidence can make you, but more often than not it's what breaks you. If you don't control it, it will control you. Especially for 99% of people. Most people dream of making it big. And for those that make it the cockiness is fine. But what if you don't? What if you fail and have to try a more normal walk of life? That same confidence will get you into untold amounts of issues because most people just can't afford to have reckless confidence.
you do serve a good point but if u unintentionally did something that was severely fucked up (not saying that this is fucked up) you would want someone that knows you wouldnt do that intentionally to defend you right?
John canceled himself by lying to his friends and defenders for weeks on end
Maybe I'm just a loser, but if I saw that Dream was starting to think an innocent friend of mine (DeOrio) was part of this stupid scheme, I would have admitted it immediately. I would have shut it down so that my totally innocent friends wouldn't be pulled into my ridiculous lies. Swan would toss his friends to the sharks if he thought it would save himself.
No that's chad behavior
Yeah I agree that I a chad behavior because you are being considerate over your homies unlike John where he threw everyone that trusted him just for shits and giggles honestly I want to give John a chance but what he did was really scummy, like is bad enough but can be blown over if you admit you fucked up or you were trolling but wha the did to others including blowblax was that he made them look like idiots and John didn't feel a sliver of guilt and decided to be vague and dodge nick's questions
@@no_0riginality937 you hate punctuations, don't you
@@SteveFardYep (English isn’t really my first language FYI)
@@no_0riginality937 well you see, every language has punctuations. and from the reply you wrote I am pretty sure you know what that is, and I don't care if English was or wasn't your first language. I was simply making a joke.
"I don't spend my time making alt accounts of creators and messaging random people on discord talking about sex mods" - Guy who spent his time making alt accounts of creators and messaging random people on discord talking about sex mods
Lmaooo
69th like because why not and I had a chuckle
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same energy as “i am not count olaf,” count olaf said
420 likes lmao
I'm sorry but the way you put the actual clip and the clip from Charlie talking about how "dream is such a douchebag" was so funny. like showing him going "Uhhh I didn't get to call him a douchebag because everyone was busy complimenting him" and showing the actual clip where everyone was actually just humming in understanding and him actually having a CHANCE to call him a douche but saying he completely disagreed instead was greatlmao
That's called 'reading the room' 🤷♀️. You don't call the 'Hero' a douchebag.
A separate but accurate example: 5 friends go for coffee. 3 get Pumpkin, the other 2 think this is funny/basic but the 3 seem really happy. The 2 decide not to roast the pumpkin trio. ✨
Not a Moist/Charlie fan, but I don't think something like this should be too suspect.
@@sammienope9272 i get what you mean but its still a little funny that instead of saying "I didn't wanna ruin the moment so I didn't call him a douchebag but I did say i disagreed" he made it sound like everyone was just lauding dream with compliments and like he couldn't get a word in when absolutely could've lmao. Nothing against moist as I don't like it either but putting those clips together gave me a little chuckle. I'm not like sussing him or anything
@@nathan9931 In that context, I can definitely see why it's funny! I honestly read your post as sarcasm towards Charlie, and that's my bad. It's like when you think your gonna get splashed but it's only a water droplet. Expecting 🌊💀 - Gets ✨💧✨
Finally someone talk about this lol
+charlie later said it was a misunderstanding and everything was alright ^^
I watched this whole thing unfold from the sidelines it was funny as hell
yes
fr lol
I think that was almost every viewer
Sameee😭💀
It always is lol
Imagine if someone logged into Discord and said they were you, sent messages to your fans... are you then obligated to keep your moutth shut? Dream is a person too, a person who should have a right to post a comment on Reddit without people coming and attacking him. This is legit something that happened to him, I hate to say it he's right.
Ngl this whole drama was just a among us match
LMAO TRUE
sussy baka
It really was 💀💀
Dream: John killed in electrical, I LITERALLY saw it.
John: dream is sus.
-Dream was not the impostor
@@meco7956 not funny, didn't laugh.
As an Australian that went camping, Discord is the only social media that worked in shit connection for me, even with terrible reception. Discord surprisingly works better than any other social media.
That’s what I was thinking, so I’m scrolling the comments being like am I the luckiest Aussie that doesn’t have to re log into anything ever 😅
Facebook loves to prioritise cookie trackers over app functionality, just read Facebook's appstore reviews, it's a justified shitshow
Yeah same I used to live in a shit area with horrible internet and discord worked better than most things
"Keemstar's always right" "I am uncancellable"
Me looking back at all the old MC drama he was feeding into back in 2014: *Mhm go on* 👁👁🍿
“I am uncancellable” reminds me of “That ship (the titanic) is unsinkable!” Never ends well…
I don't know if he's always right, I think he believes Joe Biden stole the election lol.
Or at the very least flirt with that conspiracy theory
lol this whole drama was so funny to watch from the side lines. this is why u don't automatically side with someone without looking into the person who's 'attacking' the other. doesn't matter if u were buds for years/months.
it is because most of the starting evidence really made John look like a victim
Well I mean yea you shouldn’t but people are emotional creatures you can’t really blame them
@@SpookyOmen there was no 'starting evidence' other than "it wasnt me because some kid did it." your 'starting evidence' is bias against dream
@@llgg9744 to be completely honest it made a little bit of sense, enough for me to think that it was just dream making a big deal out of something stupid, but it wasnt.
I really miss the days when it was just dream and friends making fun minecraft content and none of this controversial stuff.
Yea same
I’ve never rlly watched them, but sheesh the Twitter scape is a shit show. I remember one of that group got cancelled for spelling out the word slave and their name was like trending bc of it meanwhile I’m over here on the CallMeKevin side of UA-cam and he’s joking about how many sims he can trap in one basement and referring to them as “slaves” and no one makes a hassle. I feel bad for them, I’ve never seen fans of something hate the people they’re fans of so much and try to manipulate it and frame it as “hOlDiNg tHeM aCcOunTAblE”
I feel like when people become famous, they go onto other social media apps then meet new people who can be extremely toxic and can ruin your name. That's why If I was famous, then I'd stay on the platform I got famous on
I really miss the days before Dream
I genuinely never believed John swans side. Who on earth ever believes a guy that says "sorry that was my friend" "my account got hacked" "why would I want to do that?"
Exactly, it's one of the most common excuses when someone is trying to gaslight/manipulate the other.
I think we all have used either of these excuses as a kid.
The Nick and John confrontation was so scary. The amount of power in Nick's voice felt like I was the one getting yelled at
45:33 Glad to know that not even Dream can resist completing the "that's just a theory" phrase with "A game theory!" at the end, lol
its an iconic line
True
*nobody can resist the game theory line completion*
Yeah i was really suprised that a douchebag had watched game theory before
@ Swift how is dream a douchebag?
I’ll say this every single time I hear about this: the man did it to himself, and what he did was horrible. People dunked on dream throughout this entire thing most definitely because he was popular and cheated in Minecraft.
This situation was awful, and I don’t want to support people who consider what Jon did “not that bad” even before lying to everyone. It’s infuriating because I don’t like Dream, and yet some people can’t seem to tell right from wrong because he has a big name
Dream is on the same boat and should sink just like John. Both are manipulative liars. At least John stopped after a while, Dream lied for over a year hurting many.
@@plzleavemealone9660 can you really blame him? Their is a whole tread how it is made, and it was a developer who was nervous to say to dream that he added the mod cause he thinks he will get fired. It been a long time now since the speed run incident
@@multifan2899
Yes, he's to blame. He knew the people were getting harassed by his fans, well, he took part in the harassment too.
And there is no way he ''accidentally'' had others put in mods for him that specifically help with speed-runs. He also knew that his mod team put in and removed those sometimes and he needs those mods for his videos. As if he's not gonna check if they are there are not when those are things he supposedly uses in his videos all the time. You're not seriously buying his bullsh-t story are you?
both are liars. I can’t feel bad for either party. I just kinda laugh. I see it like a “Dumb Bitch” calling another Dumb Bitch a “Dumb Bitch” big ol’ waste of time.
The mods are for Manning's but okay "Plz leave mealone"
On looking back some things I found pretty funny about the situation are:
1. Harley wasn’t a reputable source WHEN on dreams side but is when on johns side. I just thought it was funny that when Harley flipped the first time to be on johns side they used him as a source but when he saw dreams evidence and no longer felt comfortable with his stance, he’s now no longer “reputable”.
2. The commentary channels claimed to know John, were friends with John, back up his character UNTIL John was found to be a liar then all of a sudden they “barely” know him and they weren’t close. How can u back up the character of someone you barely know?
3. They kept saying that John has no reason to lie about this but like neither did dream. What would he gain? Followers doubt it. Clout yea right. He had nothing to gain while John did.
4. The channels behind John kept saying “there’s nothing on him” “he’s a nice guy” “he’s never done anything like this” but did they do a background check on him? How is it that NONE of his friends knew about the pieman situation and before he can say “there’s nothing on him” did they even do their research since have of them “weren’t that close to him”
5. Last point I think. Is the fact of how much they over looked ALL of dreams points in his stream because of “yep” and “mate”. Dream had some good points and it’s obvious that that was a suspicion he had because he had talked to John before. I don’t know about y’all but I can tell which of my friends text me based on the way the text sound, their vocab, the use of certain words and emoji’s. I don’t really think that point was bad, weak yes, but completely off, no.
Anyway that’s all I had to say when I looked back at this situation. Bye
"I'm making an effort to be more professional. I'm trying to be more professional." Aye, my ADHD has me repeat the same shit too, I feel this. I feel ya Harley. XD
admit it tho, he was talking like a fucking goober lmao
@@gimpystimpy5304 lol I liked the way he was talking XD
@@psychekit948 he was talking like a fucking geek, and i don’t really get why he needed to message that dude anyways lol, like why message a dude who clearly doesn’t like you and you make the conversation ten times more awkward by talking like an alien to be more “professional” lol it was just stupid on the kids part 😂 like dude didn’t needa do that to himself
my ADHD has me repeating the same stuff too
Dude sameee
I think John should've either ignored the reddit post or, alternatively, publicly apologize for the actions of his "family member" and acknowledge that he made a mistake by leaving his discord logged in and that he understands Dream's perspective. I'm pretty sure no one would've found out he lied if he hadn't been so defensive.
Yep
I started believing Dream when he spoke about the 12 yo that knew about youtube tos and just all the other things that this "kid" knew. I watched a bunch of youtubers cover this. It was odd to see them ignore some evidence.
John Swan: “don’t believe me? Ask my friends.”
Dream: *asks a friend*
John Swan: *surprised pikachu face*
I mean... John Swan really cancelled himself by doubling down on a lie that didn't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. Like I hate dream and his stans as much as the average person but what John Swan did was terrible, especially as I was a fan of his work.
He let all of his friends defend him and ruin their credibility aswell
Why do you hate dream, not trying to be one of those dream stans but I've seen so many people hate on him cause he popular and his fanbase bad
@@vandam6057 because he’s a douche bag that was extremely cocky and still is. Waited 7 months to come out about the spreedrun thing. Doesn’t think his stans are a problem at all. Destroyed geosquares career by only admitting to cheating a few months after the situation
John Swan probably doesn't even feel any remorse. In fact, he probably feels tender and defensive about it. He posted on twitter about leaving again and I said "stay gone this time" and that was enough to earn a block. Sensitive little twat lmao.
@@localguarherder534 “my mom just died” “and she should stay dead” How are you surprised that when you are rude to someone they block you? I’m not defending the guy, but you just sound like a jackass
I've heard about this Dream vs John Swan saga on-and-off for several months now, but I never sat down to get it all figured out. This looks like it will be an interesting next two hours. Thanks for doing it.
That's such a good argument Keem has, calling those who disagree with him a stan... where have I seen that line of reasoning before.
He’s saying those who don’t think for themselves are biased because they are, you see someone you follow and like form an opinion they blindly agree without a second thought, STANS do exactly this.
@@psychekit948 That's not what he said at all. He knows the stigma surrounding the word "stan", and he knows as soon as someone will say "stan", everyone else thinks "bad". So he used that to his advantage to make people agree with him by painting everyone who disagrees with him a stan. And who wants to be on the side of the stan, right?
@@blubaylon lol you're a sheep
Hmmmm idk, i think i have seen that line before too, that sounds so familiarrr🤔🤔🤔
@@mintaroum.9096 ikr, quite sus someone might say
Listening to the conversation between Nick and John was PAAINFUL holy shit. You can hear the hurt and betrayal and confusion in Nick's voice as he tries to wrap his head around why someone he considered a friend would drag them all through hell for so long, all while he had the power to put a stop to it
Yeah..... Hell and this is me John will come back and tried to act like nothing had happened and his friends and fans will be with it. I'm gonna call this now
@@illicitbike2782 I mean kinda but no exactly. He came back months ago after apologizing to everyone privately and people are okay with his return.
@@Blue_Maxine So basically he did. Like no hate to John but the fact people were fine with it and he gained trust that quickly shows double standards in the commentary community
@@illicitbike2782 nah none of his old friends fuck with him anymore. he still has fans but not from that side of the commentary community (nick/augie/bowblax)
@@mandapanties You realized that within the timeframe (10-11 months) he came back and some of his old friends within still gives him support? Yeah fans I agree but those are completely different then people he recorded with much less have interaction with. Hell he deleted his twitter (or wipe clean) more times then James Charles get called for not making a response.
Lmao seeing Nicks tweets is funny, regardless of how much he believed Swan he had the integrity to admit that he was wrong after evidence came out against Swan. Not only that he was the one who dealt the “deathblow” to Swan.
Yeah, that's why I find it so fucking shitty of Keem to just, be an absolute ass about it. Like, yes, I don't like the dude and yes he was wrong, but at least he has the balls to admit that.
Blow swan cancelled himself by lying to his creator friends and getting them to defend him and expecting them to go along with the lie even after they found out the truth.
No, he cancelled himself by turning off his account and not posting content.
Remember: Dream also did exactly this, but he didn't get cancelled (though that was a goal)
@@cinnastag nah man remember, dream "accidentally" lied to everyone
@@piglover6931 "Accidentally" ;)
@@cinnastag no he got cancelled after the WillyMacShow made a video about the drama and talk and him and Pieman
@@mediaphantom3012 No...if he didn't disable his account and still followed his schedule...he would've still been have pushed by UA-cam.
Looking back at things this really was like ace attorney's fourth trial in how everything was
Whos the parrot in this case?
@@brandona1140 Keemstar most likely.
Ye
Wasn't Edgeworth trying to get himself convicted in that
@@vandam6057 no, he only convicted himself for a thing in the past, which he also wasn't guilt for
Wow. I was almost certain from dream's mannerisms that he was being genuine, but i figured it was all a colossal misunderstanding between the two. What a twist ending!
Wow john sounds like the most untrustworthy friend ever when he's talking to his friend. Absolute snake of a person.
I think it's safe to say that dream learned his lesson the first time with the speed run and he wouldn't do it again and seeing how this time he won considering NO ONE believed him, no one will really do this against him again
I really hope dream learned well from that whole cheating scandal-- because the constant harassment he gets really bothers me. Like people always say learn from your mistakes but it just seems like this guy cannot catch a break
@@spiderbrine8877 Does he even do speed runs anymore?
@@siyuren7723 I’m not entirely sure-- I know he has done some after ‘the speed run’ but I don’t think he puts them on the leaderboard anymore
@@siyuren7723 I think he said that he might do it just for fun without submitting it anywhere, but I’m not sure. I’m sure he does it off camera though lol
@@siyuren7723 he does but it’s all for fun now
John in that Discord Call sounds like a D Tier Super Villain
It still pisses me off
John didn't even say the n word it was cobra
If ya know ya know
listening to nick and john's convo, not even a single apology when nick mentioned john dragged them all into that mess and even when john admitted to being happy to accept their defense back then. wow
I started watching this not realizing it was a two hour long video. Well I was bored and wanted content so thanks
OK BUT SAME I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 2-24 MINUTES LIKE HOW STUFF USUALLY IS
Yeah
I played it cause it looked like a podcast type thing and ended up listening go it my entire virtual school day
Dream didn’t cancel John Swan.
John Swan canceled John Swan
Or Nicholas DeOrio cancelled him. Not much difference.
What is this guy's deal? I'm currently at the point of him talking to his friend about it and he's just so vague, and when he finally admits, he doesn't care that he drug his friends into this drama. I lie constantly but I do it to make people happy, not for myself. This is just psychopath levels, and he's guilt-tripping people, one of my most hated things people do.
Keem has such a grounded view of stuff like this because his entire internet career has been about capitalizing drama. He has both been a harasser and the harassed. The dude might as well have a PhD in online drama. It’s practically his whole online career for like a decade plus.
Dream"I was cocky and did dumb things starting out but sometimes that's what you have to do, just dont be as overconfident as me"
Charle:"and I took that personally"
I don't know how controversial this will be, but I want Dream & John to do a collab one day. I want to see the day they make up & bury the hatchet.
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Well... Do you think that either of them are humble enough to even attempt that? Dream said in a stream a few weeks or so after the Drama had ended that he still didn't like John Swan so I'm not sure if the bad blood between them has drained or not.
Like JJ and Logan right
I thought John’s story didn’t add up from the start but believed him because everyone else did
Because Dream had (and still has) such a bad reputation that it was so easy to pile on the hate train instead of taking a step back
the amount of times john fucking sighs in his call with nick really makes him look way more guilty
I'm baffled how he turned such a small joke into a self-cancel. Like I honestly don't think he'll be able to bounce back. You could just comment 'dream google doc' and his credibility's turned into smoke.
John cancelled himself. You and your friends are ok with liars and you’ve proven that time and time again while trying to be the moral high ground on this website
bro bowblax replied on comment “true but I added dream for views”
@@voidsoul8373 honestly I lost respect for him,everyone likes to point out dreams faults but look at bowblax,he gave his all to defend John swan,gave a half assed apology when John exposed himself,then was stupid enough to continue to please John’s lying ass by not only not calling him out for this but being his bitch.Let’s not forget he’s got a hate boner not for dreams stans,but for dream himself.I love his content but seriously,he isn’t an angel,none of these commentators are,and the community needs to realize that before they jump on the hate train.
Factsss
Bowblax's voice when reading and narrating all of these are amazing, especially when reading keemstar dumbass' tweet. Keep up the good work, bro
I noticed people expect Dream to be some kind of perfect person- when he's only 22 and stuff. He makes one mistake and he can't live it down for a LONG time. Prob because of his fame, people tend to do that.
Dream accidentally invited a groomer into his smp, whom being expose only after the invitation a few hours, and whom being kicked out by dream himself only after the invitation a day. Everything is just happened so quickly that idek there's a person who'd just joined the smp.
And, the only thing haters see is "dream invited a groomer to his smp" lol
@@mintaroum.9096 WOW- that's just unfortunate timing, and Dream still took action. It's a shame he's treated so bad
@@mintaroum.9096 who was the groomer?
@@arimanyuuuki "jishiki"
@@arimanyuuuki ua-cam.com/video/F1cNJuUC9X8/v-deo.html
I didn't buy John Swan's excuse from the start. Why would you LEAVE your personal Discord signed into ANOTHER PERSON'S COMPUTER? No matter if he only had 6K had the time.
I'm not an Internet personality. I'm not in a large amount of servers or anything either.
I would still never leave my accounts logged in on someone else's devices, and I'd like to believe most other people also wouldn't.
@@Sad-Lesbian yeah it's just common sense not buying that.
i did once
Yeah people could mess with your friends or private stuff
Unless your like me, I literally left my account signed in a PUBLIC computer house 😀
How did people actually believe Swan. “My little brother/cousin was on my account” is literally the oldest excuse in the book😂
Man, now that you say that, I remember thinking to myself, 'How commonly do people get hacked, especially for s*it like this?', but I dismissed it. Really shows my bias against Dream. I really need to realize that, yeah, Dream has done bad things, but never to the level of racism, unless he's deranged or something.
true lol
@@rodolforichmond7141 Thank you for recognising that. I must admit, for the Dream speedrun controversy I let my bias blind myself and defended Dream until I realized I was wrong the whole time. I think both people who like and people who dislike Dream should make sure to keep their bias in check, otherwise you end up arguing with people all day long, with zero logic involved.
You now the ppl that spam lmao like : so lmao this is bad for dream lmao he is trash lmao ext
Is stupit :)😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
He could've apologies even jokingly something along the lines of "Oh sorry dream we we're just trolling when we we're younger, sorry about that mate." BUT NOPE gotta dig that hole nice and deep.
I will fucking bet my left nut that if he apologies on a similar manner, everyone would've forgotten about it the next day. I mean theres going to be stan that'd raise some bullshit but everything will disappear within a week.
Nah that wont work if he really did said the n word and 'sex mod' and all that. Would need to be a lil more sincere, as that shit shouldn't fly.
were not we're
@@kugelblitzingularity304 i agree. it should be more sincere and less casual
This was the exact moment that forced me to make up my mind, i took the side of Jon Swan when this all first broke down, simply because i trusted his views and always thouht his word was true. However afterwards when all of it broke i was completely thrown back, this very situation was the reason i decided to fully commit to not choosing a side