Which is better, Wah-Fuzz or Fuzz-Wah? | In the Shop Episode #39 | Thomann
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2019
- Everyone loves Wah and Fuzz, right? Of course. Anyway... In which order should they be put? Wah first or Fuzz first? Andy and Kris try both ways and explore the differences in sound and fun!
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I was watching this while pooping in a public restroom and inadvertently harmonized my fart with an A note and the dude a couple stalls down said "Nice.".
Awesome.
Nice
Actual test begins at 3:43.
Thank you!!!
Learn the rules so you can break them properly.
Honestly. The blues scales in reviews on UA-cam, are like a bloody nightmare.
Keep this two guys! They are amongst the best youtuber guitar faces. Sympatic, enjoy what they are doing, respectful and knowledgeable.
wow! Thanks a lot man! Your words mean a lot! :)
//cheers, Kris
The buffer fundamentally changes the range and eq of the Fuzz,- which can be good or bad, depending on what you want.
As also briefly noted, what cuts through a mix, and what sounds great solo, are two different things; add a little reverb or delay, - even more change.Unfortunately, in a band mix, some of those qualities you might love in a pedal get washed away or sucked under.
Just perfect!!! Never thpught that "buffer" thing can cause this! Thanx dudes!
I like fuzz/distortion into wah.
Bass player so it gives me the crazy sounds that pop in every now and then :)
Guitar player and I do too. I have a fuzz face and an sf300 before my wah and I love doing swells and messing with the cocked wah thing. Wah before high gain doesn't make enough of a difference
Great demo and taught me a lot.Have now buffered my fuzz after the wah and love it so much.
I use to put wah 1st and then fuzz and the only reason I had it this way was because that's how Jimi Hendrix wired up his pedals, but I really didn't like the way the wah sounded when the fuzz was engaged. I'm using a Crybaby Classic and Jimi Hendrix Fuzz Face Mini. I swapped the order to Fuzz 1st then Wah and it made a world of a difference. For me, Fuzz then Wah is the way to go!
Legend says that Kirk Hammet is watching this video!
And he's using a wha before wha then a wha after the wah ... all together!!
This comment is unfunny and unnecessary, an awful attempt at a joke.
@@ultrawizardyeahyeahyeahwah 😢
Thank you for sound leveling your videos whether on purpose of by accident. It's much easier to watch without having to deal with incompetent sound levels by so many other You Tubers.
That was really interesting. I tend towards fuzz before way but I didn't know about the almost cancelling effect when down the other way around. Very cool.
Excellent video, as usual, I'm gonna change my setup and put the wha in the preamp loop, after al the distos!
i needed this today. thanks, guys.
Just for the records, there's a third way: the original VOX Double Sound had the WAH and the FUZZ in parallel (and no buffers anywhere). And the fuzz was relatively close to the Hendrix Fuzz Face.
Distortion before wha, always, otherwise you re not gonna be able to do the best wha trick ever; the Frusciante crazy wha thing 😉
This comment is underrated lol
Great lesson people😄👍👍👍
i should have bought the fender fuzz wah reissue a decade ago...
but a simple versatile solution is to sandwich a fuzz between two wahs...
It's fuzz into wah for me. V7D black russian into morley dual bass wah. So sick!
Hi guys. Thanks for this. It taught me why my wah to fuzzface wasn't working. Is there a list of which pedals from boss work this way? I tried my DS-1 and it made no difference, so is it only the waza versions that have the better / more appropriate buffer built in?
Good vid lads. Very good infact.
Great, just for the right time, when I got myself a fuzz for my board. Currently I play fuzz-wah, but with the buffer thing - I might just try it the other way round again, with my boss SD-1 in the middle as buffer.
Sounds awesome dude! You don't always need a buffer though. Try it out without it and if it doesn't work stick the buffer between them. And most importantly: have fun playing man!
//cheers, Kris
Im a little belated but im doing this exact thing and it works really well marshall -> vox wah -> pitch fork ehx -> boss sd-1 -> JH fuzz face mini
Got a really creamy hendrixish tone. To die for!
GREAT VIDEO
Can't have a buffer inbetween, either way on my new, old Fender Fuzz Wah. Don't care. I'm just a hack gear collector... for the right price! Already had a Dunlop Crybaby mini. ❤
Time to stick my fuzz in front of my wah. I have a fuzz with a built in buffer, but the buffer takes a lot of the fuzz sound away. Will have to try this!
No, you get a Wah that can handle it, or there are Fuzz Faces with ability to go after, and it doesn’t change the Fuzz at all.
My first pedal back in the 70s was a Morley Fuzz Wah.
Just got a xotic wah and I have a empress fuzz. I liked the fuzz before the wah because I wasn’t too over baring but I can nail in my settings
The Fuzz first was my choice. Thanks Guys.
I just use a vintage Crybaby Fuzz Wah✨🎵✨
I have a Boss Aw3, and a Fig Fumb, i think I like more the wah fuzzed than the fuzz wahzed, but the buffer seems to cause noise on the fuzz...
Fuzz + Wah = Screamin'
Either is fine. Having the Metal Zone gives you an extra distortion pedal to play with on its own.
Thanks!
Guys I'm surprised not a fuzz fan but both of these sounds were cool thanks the buffer issue is a problem on my pedal board time for a move around
Thanks Paul. It doesn’t have to be a Metal Zone 😉
//Andy
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses i havent got a metal zone foes the Harley Benton American soubd have a buffer anyone know ?
Either way works for us!
Fuzz > wah is like squeezing your fuzz through a tube. As you go from heel down to toe down it's like you're gradually introducing more fuzz into your signal.
Wah > fuzz gives you a more chaotic sound, probably because you're filtering your clean tones with the wah THEN fuzzing them up, resulting in a sound with a lot of overtones.
Nice. Great descriptions. Both can work for different applications.
Bought myself a silicon fuzz & a germanium fuzz last week.....tasty dirty stuff! Cant get enough of the stuff! ;) Nice one Kris & GG (not Allin).
WTF now means Wah-The-Fuzz to me
ha
Wah To Fuzz
I love this Joseph Gordon Levitt / Eric Andre interview!!
Less yappin', more testin'
What happens if the metal zone pedal is engaged too?
Well, the fuzz NEEDING a buffer before it was unexpected, but i believe this is the silicon Fuzz Face, right?! From what i've seen the germanium doesn't respond (to buffers) like this.
I'm now very confused. HELP! So Wah into Fuzz won't work without a buffer in front of the fuzz? But Fuzz into Wah is fine? What about with Distortion pedals? Is the conventional order Wah into Distortion? This stuff always confuses me.
I’m a wah to fuzz guy.
#metoo . I honestly don't see how it worked the other way with these guys.
The switcher.. Is a Boss and has a buffer.
If I put anything with a buffer before my fuzz face it's not good. I have an active tone in my bass and it doesn't work with mt fuzz face.
Any Fuzz Face variant that has an "attack" knob is able to add resistance on the input and will be happy to oblige any placement in the chain.
Yeah as soon as I saw the boss feeding the fuzz inputs I was a bit skeptical about the results of this, general rule being to keep buffers after the fuzz. Just picked up the dunlop mini germanium, will have to do my own experiments.
@@DaddySoulDonut it becomes more of a fuzz with parallel coils lowering input resistance with my humbucker gets mine into oscillating with the fuzz level. Square waves.
dope asics dood :D
John frusciante use ds-2 into wah and it’s sounds so good
The buffer affects the fuzz sound???
Yes
a
wah-fuzz-
fuzz-wah firework
display for the fourth
of july!!...i love wah
and fuzz or fuzz
and wah!!...a
question i have is
why do guitarists often
play around like here
with a whole bunch
of pedals but then
just never seem
to REALLY use
them in actual
musical
combat!?...
they just pussy around
only getting slightly
down and dirty
with their
sound!! 🎶🙄🎶 ...
i find that the dirtier
the sound the
more i like
it!! ...
do you think i have
a problem doctor
andy!? ...
i certainly have problems
trying to get a fix for
my audio
habit!! ...
my demand far exceeds
the supply that i can
find here
in
youtubeland!! ...
another question i have
is can you please
tell me about
any guitarists worldwide
who really and i mean
REALLY give it the
full monty
in their regular
playing fuzz-wah-
wah-fuzz wise!? ...
i happen to
follow on and off
a protege of yours
called filippa...she goes
on and on at length about guitar
pedals quite often and
has an awesome
board i've seen
full of them...but then
sadly she never seems
to actually USE them
much...alas she
shops lots but
uses little!! 😂 ...
is this how it is with
guitarists nowadays...
all talk and no
action!? ...
is fuzz-wah dead!? ...
only this morning i
discovered a so-called
'blues rock guitarist'
wallowing in hype and
of long standing who
then proceeded NOT
to entertain me
with his sadly all
too clean playing!! ...
i let him know my
feelings in a
comment!! 🎸☹😡🤬 ...
i follow a lot of young
guitarists on youtube...
including toby lee
the blues guitarist
who doesn't seem at
all keen to use any sort
of effect pedals or
even work that shiny
dangling thing found on
a lot of guitars called
a 'whammy bar' i think...
it seems to me
that it's only mainly
asian players who have
even mastered playing
that properly and to
good effect!! ...
sorry that i've gone
on a bit here in my
comment but it's
something that i feel
passionately about!! ...
i want my guitarists
to use MORE wah
and fuzz!! ...
i often wonder if there's
a guitarist out there
somewhere who
ONLY uses wah and
fuzz in their guitar playing...what a breath
of fresh air that
would be!! ...
without dirtyness guitar
playing SOON gets
boring and
BEING BORING IS THE
GREATEST CRIME
IN MUSIC!! 👋🙂🏴 ...
I think you’re right in that the world needs more wah and more fuzz
//Andy
it seems most younger players haven't a clue how to use fuzz properly.
they keep their guitar vol and tone knobs permanently on 10,
then just thrash about playing full chords.
or speed metal solo tapping wankery...
its us old blokes who can impress with our experience, skill, and slow effective technique,
to gets results that satisfy in ways no young fella ever can..
You could do a Wah shout-out. Let's start with the standard Wahs of Dunlop and Vox and others too?
Sounds good to me! More wah = more betterer.
//Andy
Is that a Boss buffered pedal in between?
I like to think of the placement topic as your preferred tone into a desired effect on your preferred tone. For me that’s my core drive sound into each and any other affects. I’m not a fan of distorting “effects”. But each to their own 🤘
Your last sentence nailed it.
//Andy
Cry Baby isn't true bypass.
What happen if:
1) True Bypass Wah > Fuzz?
2) Any differences if germanium or silicon fuzz?
True bypass doesn't matter, the buffer is necessary, and germanium is the same way
Hendrix used wah wah before fuzz without pedal buffer in the mid. Maybe his vox wah wah had a buffer inside?
He put his univibe and/ or his octavia in between the two which acted as a buffer. Whether he knew that or not is debatable; since he only had a few pew pedals to work with at that time, he probably experimented a lot to get different sounds.
Auto wah with reverse might be best (regardless of order)... Maybe even a studio reverb at the end.
If you have a high quality wah pedal, with hardwire true bypass, I think this becomes a non-issue
Treble booster > Fuzz > Wah
I think a transparent like a soul food first works but too much distortion at the front muddies the tone too much
Sure but that would be overdrive wah, not fuzz wah. Happy to do it for you though!
//Andy
Wah into an Op-Amp Big Muff for me.
So the crazy sound is: Guitar-->fuzz-->wah-->Amp right?
I found Waldo!
👉 This is better on bass.👈
I ran fuzz from my Spectrum pedal inrto my 90's Morley Power Wah just to re-live some Cliff Burton memories. Fuzz then wah is the only way to go....unless you're a guitarist,then you will likely do something silly.
Guitarist here and I prefer fuzz into wah too. Love the massive swells. Wah into fuzz is almost imperceptible, especially with a big muff
Please ask somebody to help you to tie up your shoes. 🙈 Beside that. Great clip. Thanks 😁👍
So first fuzz then wah.
I have always preferred Fuzz into Wah and the only time I ever use Fuzz.
I love that Red PRS Custom 24-08 (if I am not mistaken) and that PRS 509 looks great too!!
Then you're putting a buffer before a fuzz face though
comp->fuzz->wah for me
Can you tell me the cry baby model please.
They said GCB95
Am I the only person why thinks the tone of the fuzz changed when the buffer was added in
Yes. I think they were going for what works. Both ways work and how to fix it if not.
AH HA !
In the thumbnail it looks like it's Andy with Prince Harry in this video
Hahaha that would be something
//Andy
WHA first !! unless your... METAL ZONE for all effects just mod the mid freq control to an expression pedal and bingo METAL WHA ZONE.... Wasa you got to say now! MT-2 For life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why am I hating this guy with curly hair? Because he's trying to sell me the whole stock just for the sake of making money.
7:00 Wazas are NOT made in Japan.
I bought a 90s fuzz wah crybaby. Problem solved
TALK TOO MUCH😩
but Dunlop says that first fuzz and then wah pedal. That's the original text in the pdf file of the manuals from DUNLOP:
Jimi's preferred hookup was: Guitar to Fuzz to CRYBABY® to Amplifier.
Sorry, Jimi had it right from the get-go! Run the Wah first dudes, lol why try to reinvent the sound?