As an angels fan I feel this pain, and yes I hate my own organization for wasting these guys and Arte Morenio for horrible decisions. Also for changing our name. WE ARENT LA! I wish they would change the names back to Anahiem Angels
I'm a Phillies fan, but I root for the Angels. I refuse to call them LA Angels. If Arte sells the team, perhaps they'll be called Anahiem again or the Califronia Angles of La of Anamiem :P
Arte Moreno is the problem. By the way, Vernon Wells had a career batting average of around .200 in Angel Stadium before they traded for him. I remember looking that up after the trade. I knew that was a horrible trade.
I know it’s a nhl team and it’s a different situation but to me the angels are the Edmonton Oilers of baseball. A team with great talent and star power but they don’t have depth and no matter what they do they they can’t fix it.
@@anonymousanonymity2815 I mean, we're up to 14 out of 30 MLB teams in the playoffs now. It's not that different from 16 of 32 in the NHL. You could've used the NBA as your example of a watered-down postseason because 16 of their 30 teams make the playoffs.
When Arte Moreno lied to Torii Hunter saying they had no money for him but then they went out and signed Josh Hamilton was insane. If they kept Greinke that offseason to pair with Weaver & CJ Wilson they prolly win the division that season If they kept Hunter on a 2 year deal.
Over the last decade I can’t recall one elite free agent starting pitcher the Angels have signed (other than Ohtani). Their offense first mindset is the reason they haven’t made the postseason since 2014.
The veron wells trade was the worst trade in history. Not only did they trade away Juan Rivera and Mike Napoli but they ate up the rest of that horrible contract.
Bill Simmons wrote an article around that time or a couple years later where he posed that trade to virtual Tony Reagins in some baseball video game, and it got turned down. Like everybody (including computer Tony Reagins) knew at the time the Wells contract was significantly underwater.
I loved the fact that the Angels were getting Wells, I admired him a lot with Toronto but yeah that production + that contract + giving away Napoli who went on to be a beast...not good
The best part of the Mo Vaughn signing is it paved the way for the Mo Licious Sandwich at Carnegie Deli after he got traded to the Mets. You have to search around a bit to find a good pic, but they are out there and it is excellent.
The weird thing is that they came in great and sometimes they got better after leaving. Pujols obviously at dodgers and cards. Another one that came to mind was Scott Kazmir who had a few pretty good seasons after. There’s something really wrong about the Angel’s and it’s sad
I wouldn’t really say Pujols got better after leaving. I’m a Cards fan and it was pretty obvious that pitchers were just throwing him meatballs most of the time. Plus they were playing him mostly towards lefties.
Wasting Trout and Shohei to the extent that, like you said, they've made the playoffs ONE TIME since Trout got there (future success could obviously change that) is probably even worse than the early-mid 2010's Tigers who never won a world series despite some comically good rotations with Verlander, Max Scherzer, David Price Doug Fister, Anabal Sanchez, Rick Porcello. Not to even mention the offensive stars. At least they were constantly in the race! On the video's specific topic, I'm pretty into the nerdy crap with projecting free agents. I've gotta wonder if they're behind other teams in terms of analyzing players' previous season and whether or not the reality of that season can be expected to continue based on the advanced stats. Who's a .220 hitter who we expect should have been closer to .250? What about vice versa? This is a depressing amount of failure in signings.
It seems like it's too reactionary and not analytical. Guys like Matthews and Cozart had 1 really good year and a whole lotta crap prior to that, and the Angels just seemed to follow the shiny object. There were warning signs for Pujols and Hamilton also, albeit not glaring ones, and other teams were willing to dump the money truck on them but the Angels just happened to outbid them
@@brandondeleon5320 Probably good times for Tigers fans too given where they're at now! That said, Miguel Cabrera is far and away my favorite MLB player, so I have a soft spot for them. It would be nice if they'd give us a team in Charlotte some day...
They’ve done the same for the last 40 years or more. Back in the day, they signed Nolan Ryan, Reggie Jackson, Fred Lynn, Rid Carew, among others, and still achieved very little…
Worst of all for Josh Hamilton, he physically assaulted his daughter a few years ago. I remember loudly cheering him on in the 2008 Home Run Derby as I found him to be an amazing redemption story. Well so much for that after he assaulted his daughter. Drug addiction alone definitely doesn't make you a bad person in my opinion but it's certainly not a good thing to have. Physically assaulting your kids is just terrible.
This Angels ownership has no idea about crafting depth. If you want a championship in the MLB, you need quality consistency across your pitchers and hitters. Beyond Trout and Ohtani, this team has no depth.
It didn't matter what the Jays received... it could have been a bag of used balls and an open stick of pine tar... it would have been a good deal. The Jays got rid of $86 million owed to Wells at the cost of only $5 million. Everyone thought Wells was untradeable with that contract...Moreno made AA look like a genius.
They kicked Josh Hamilton out of the door for a drug relapse, yet Tyler Skaggs was being dealt drugs by staff employees that got him killed. The Angels need a clean slate
Hamilton's drug relapse was just an excuse, they got rid of him because he was playing like trash, if he was still playing like he was in his prime they would have kept him.
As a Dodgers fan, as much as I want Dodgers to have him, we are not gonna win the World Series even with Ohtani because we got a boneheaded manager who is going to prevent us from winning while rest of the team feels comfortable buckling up and choking during postseason. I want Ohtani to win a title. That's the bottomline. He deserves a World Series title more than anyone out there.
To me, Rendon is the worst contract. Nevin feels obliged to put him at the 4th in the lineup as he is the top payed hitter in the team. If I were him, I would put him at the 7th.
Bingo. And now clocks ticking in Shohei and I wouldn’t be mad if he wished to go elsewhere especially after last season. Artes ignored the issues and meddled around it till it’s too late.
Pretty much. If you’re a player, the Angels or Rockies are essentially the kiss of death when it comes to playing there as it’s like your talent has been sapped from you.
there are one or more people in that organization that are constantly and perpetually operating off of destructive intentions. one of them might even be the owner. no one should take their money. hanging around people who operate this way makes everyone around them or that they’re connected to prone chronic injuries and illness.
Jumping off some other commente here, I wonder if the Angels have an AWFUL coaching staff who do next to nothing to develop its players so as a result every player that joins the organization performs way worse than had they signed with anyone else. It just seems like a constant curse for them to the point where you have to wonder if there’s something deeply wrong going on within the Angels management
@michaelkimEXWC True! Mickey Hatcher is proof of that! His BFF Sciosia kept him on the payroll disguised as a "hitting coach". The guy was more of a mascot/cheerleader.
Good video. My only issue is the Trout/Pujols comparison. Sure Pujols had better numbers all around. But also he was a 1st/3rd baseman. Trout did what he did as a CF. If you weigh the values of those stats based off position, Trout comes out ahead.
If you look at the adjusted numbers, Trout comes out slightly ahead. 2011-2020 Trout put up a 171 wrc+ compared to 2001-2010 where Pujols put up a 169 wRC+. Pujols began his career in a better run scoring environment than Trout. Once you adjust, there's not a big difference between the two as far as hitting production goes. Imagine what Trout's numbers would look like if he spend career with the Red Sox or Rangers. It would be insane.
Super sour to come across these videos today, get pulled in and find out the playlist only had 3 teams! Not including my Red Sox 😑 Keep the series going!
Sounds to me that the Angels have a management problem. It can’t be a coincidence that every time they sign a player at their peak or at least near their peak, they suddenly fall off a cliff as soon as they join the Angels. That’s no longer on the players, that’s on the people managing the team. What confirms it is that some of these guys played better once they left the Angels
Some of them definitely did. I'd love to know what Pujols experienced at the end, totally surging back to life once he was back in STL (also was pretty good with the Dodgers)
Another video also points out a few cases in which players have comeback season right after they leave the Angels. There's something serious wrong with their coaching/management staff.
This is why developing your prospects is essential. That's why the Astros are as good as they are. As soon as one guy leaves, next man up. The Angels have had money to spend just don't spend like the Yankees but what they both have in common is they've only developed one guy into a superstar for a long period of time. The Yankees, Aaron Judge and the Angels Mike Trout. Unless you want to count Shohei Ohtani for the Angels. At least one thing I will give credit to Brian Cashman for is his ability to find diamonds in the rough. Also Gerrit Cole hasn't been the worst free agent signing at all and during the regular season has lacked the mental toughness of an ace but he definitely did his part in the playoffs and I don't put any blame on him for the Yankees getting swept. I'll also say while Giancarlo Stanton hasn't been in MVP form for a full season since becoming a Yankee, the closest thing to that was in 2021 but that was really carried by the 2nd half, at least he's still worked out a lot better than Josh Hamilton or so far Anthony Rendon and even after a horrible 2022 season, you could probably say he has been a better Yankee than Pujols was an Angel. Unless Stanton just absolutely falls off a cliff from here on out. Stanton was traded to the Yankees though, just a reminder but since you brought up trades. Now I just hope Carlos Rodon works out.
@@Charlieperez714 Yet the Yankees have yet to develop any of their international prospects into stars for more than 2 years. The closest the Yankees have had to more than 2 years is Luis Severino but he's always hurt.
Agree. Good example: We had SS Andrelton Simmons for 5 years. At that time he was arguably the best defensive SS in the MLB AND for us, he hit too, around .285. In those 5 years we never made the post, but more importantly, we never had anyone in the pipeline behind him. We weren't grooming anyone to take over when he's gone. What was the point?
Mike Trout is, BY FAR, the worst long-term contract they have made. He hasn't completed a full season in six years, and is completely overrated on offense and defense. Anthony Rendon is a close second place, followed by Josh Hamilton taking the bronze medal.
I see where you're coming from BUT aside from 2021 he's put in a solid number of games, last year he only missed about a month and still put up astronomical numbers (40 HR, 999 OPS) so I don't think the contract can be deemed bad yet but if he continues to be injury prone then yeah.
@@homerunproductions162 You need to take a critical look at Trout's production, and WHEN it came during the season. Trout's big numbers usually came late in the season in meaningless games, long after the team has been eliminated. All I saw the first couple of years with him on the team was rally-killing K's at a historic rate, and a pedestrian arm in center field. He's in his age 32 season, and this contract will age terribly. I just don't understand the logic of these long-term contracts.
A forgotten big contract was CJ Wilson, 5 year $77 million in 2012 ERA+ of 96… his first 2 seasons were decent but really fell off the rails and wasn’t as good as he was in Texas
I originally was going to mention CJ Wilson but after looking at his stats I thought he was pretty much on par for his career so it wasn't a terrible signing.
@@homerunproductions162 lol no way at all. There are way better teams. Rays, Mariners, Guardians, Yankees, Blue Jays, Astros, Twins, Orioles, Red Sox, Rangers.
To be fair the Hamilton signing wasn’t there fault all the other ones yes. They were either washed or just about to end their prime. Hamilton just fell off due to addiction and it fucked them over for years.
I don't necessarily think most of these are their fault. There haven't been many of their signings that are cringeworthy at the time. I liked the Pujols signing and the Wells trade, Teheran seemed like a good pickup, for some reason it just seems to never work out
This is cathartic as a Yankees fan with the amount of dud free agents the team has made. But damn, the Yanks are nothing compared to the Angels. I guess it goes to show that as bad as Brian Cashman is, he's not THE WORST GM in the league.
This is going back some but we traded a very promising, young Dante Bichette for a fat and (way) over the hill Dave Parker. Dante went on to have a brilliant career while we got nothing in return
Angels got Adam KEnnedy in that deal too. 2002 ALCS MVP Adam Kennedy. Never underestimate what winning that world series did for the Angels as a whole. You could even remove the Mo Vaughn deal from being awful as it ended up bringing Kevin Appier in as a solid part of the rotation in '02.
Angels = where talented players go to crap. They were literally King Felixing Mike Trout right now and with how things have been going he needs to get out of there before it is too late. Ohtani even is Morenio throws the kitchen sink at him should run either for the money or for the Rings (as those two things dont always go together).
I did consider CJ Wilson but his performance actually stayed pretty consistent. 3.87 ERA over 4 years after having a 3.60 ERA in Texas. Cant hate on it that much
Angels gotta stop going after guys who had one career season during a contract year. If they still had cap space I wouldn't have been surprised if they signed Dansby Swanson this offseason
As an angels fan I feel this pain, and yes I hate my own organization for wasting these guys and Arte Morenio for horrible decisions. Also for changing our name. WE ARENT LA! I wish they would change the names back to Anahiem Angels
Seriously, pretty insulting to the city of Anaheim
They should go back to being the California Angels.
I'm a Phillies fan, but I root for the Angels. I refuse to call them LA Angels. If Arte sells the team, perhaps they'll be called Anahiem again or the Califronia Angles of La of Anamiem :P
I remember back when the Angels belonged to Charlie smh.
Arte Moreno is the problem. By the way, Vernon Wells had a career batting average of around .200 in Angel Stadium before they traded for him. I remember looking that up after the trade. I knew that was a horrible trade.
its been like 20 years since the angels were relevant. dont even understand why terrible teams have any fanbase at all
I know it’s a nhl team and it’s a different situation but to me the angels are the Edmonton Oilers of baseball. A team with great talent and star power but they don’t have depth and no matter what they do they they can’t fix it.
at least the Oilers can make it into the playoffs and go deeper than getting swept in the first round
@@thedude3065 nhl is totally different, like half of hockey teams make the playoffs
hahahaha you funny bro. You should try out at the local Yuk Yuks
@@anonymousanonymity2815 I mean, we're up to 14 out of 30 MLB teams in the playoffs now. It's not that different from 16 of 32 in the NHL. You could've used the NBA as your example of a watered-down postseason because 16 of their 30 teams make the playoffs.
@@matrixphijr shit I didn’t realize it had gotten that high
When Arte Moreno lied to Torii Hunter saying they had no money for him but then they went out and signed Josh Hamilton was insane. If they kept Greinke that offseason to pair with Weaver & CJ Wilson they prolly win the division that season If they kept Hunter on a 2 year deal.
Over the last decade I can’t recall one elite free agent starting pitcher the Angels have signed (other than Ohtani). Their offense first mindset is the reason they haven’t made the postseason since 2014.
For sure. Their pitching has almost always been their weak point, seems like they can't draft that well and lose out on the good ones on the FA market
Something the angels did this off-season was invest in more depth.
Which is huge.
They didn’t go after but 1 or 2 big name guys.
Yep they have the big stars, depth is key
The veron wells trade was the worst trade in history. Not only did they trade away Juan Rivera and Mike Napoli but they ate up the rest of that horrible contract.
Bill Simmons wrote an article around that time or a couple years later where he posed that trade to virtual Tony Reagins in some baseball video game, and it got turned down. Like everybody (including computer Tony Reagins) knew at the time the Wells contract was significantly underwater.
I loved the fact that the Angels were getting Wells, I admired him a lot with Toronto but yeah that production + that contract + giving away Napoli who went on to be a beast...not good
I didn't think it was that bad. Rivera was a streaky hitter with cement shoes and Napoli was always his own biggest fan. Was glad to see them both go!
The best part of the Mo Vaughn signing is it paved the way for the Mo Licious Sandwich at Carnegie Deli after he got traded to the Mets. You have to search around a bit to find a good pic, but they are out there and it is excellent.
See so it was all worth it
The weird thing is that they came in great and sometimes they got better after leaving. Pujols obviously at dodgers and cards. Another one that came to mind was Scott Kazmir who had a few pretty good seasons after. There’s something really wrong about the Angel’s and it’s sad
It's like a bermuda triangle in Anaheim
I wouldn’t really say Pujols got better after leaving. I’m a Cards fan and it was pretty obvious that pitchers were just throwing him meatballs most of the time. Plus they were playing him mostly towards lefties.
@@OldBenKenobi2318what is your definition of better?
What I'm hearing is that we can expect Shohei to get even better if he leaves. Incoming 50 HR / 300 K season with MVP and Cy Young.
Mickey mouse putting a curse on them
Wasting Trout and Shohei to the extent that, like you said, they've made the playoffs ONE TIME since Trout got there (future success could obviously change that) is probably even worse than the early-mid 2010's Tigers who never won a world series despite some comically good rotations with Verlander, Max Scherzer, David Price Doug Fister, Anabal Sanchez, Rick Porcello. Not to even mention the offensive stars. At least they were constantly in the race!
On the video's specific topic, I'm pretty into the nerdy crap with projecting free agents. I've gotta wonder if they're behind other teams in terms of analyzing players' previous season and whether or not the reality of that season can be expected to continue based on the advanced stats. Who's a .220 hitter who we expect should have been closer to .250? What about vice versa? This is a depressing amount of failure in signings.
It seems like it's too reactionary and not analytical. Guys like Matthews and Cozart had 1 really good year and a whole lotta crap prior to that, and the Angels just seemed to follow the shiny object. There were warning signs for Pujols and Hamilton also, albeit not glaring ones, and other teams were willing to dump the money truck on them but the Angels just happened to outbid them
I remembered when the San Francisco Giants smoked that tigers team in the 2012 world series. Good times.
@@brandondeleon5320 Probably good times for Tigers fans too given where they're at now! That said, Miguel Cabrera is far and away my favorite MLB player, so I have a soft spot for them. It would be nice if they'd give us a team in Charlotte some day...
I thought of this the other day. Either injuries, performance decline and age- they just can't catch a break at all
They’ve done the same for the last 40 years or more. Back in the day, they signed Nolan Ryan, Reggie Jackson, Fred Lynn, Rid Carew, among others, and still achieved very little…
Nobody can ever take away 2002 though
Worst of all for Josh Hamilton, he physically assaulted his daughter a few years ago. I remember loudly cheering him on in the 2008 Home Run Derby as I found him to be an amazing redemption story. Well so much for that after he assaulted his daughter. Drug addiction alone definitely doesn't make you a bad person in my opinion but it's certainly not a good thing to have. Physically assaulting your kids is just terrible.
Yeah you would wish that he would have left the bad life behind completely but he couldn't.
This Angels ownership has no idea about crafting depth. If you want a championship in the MLB, you need quality consistency across your pitchers and hitters. Beyond Trout and Ohtani, this team has no depth.
What is depth?
Blue Jays fans still thank Arte Moreno today for the Vernon Wells trade. Thank you Mr. Moreno!
Why? All you got is Napoli just to trade him back 4 days after…
It didn't matter what the Jays received... it could have been a bag of used balls and an open stick of pine tar... it would have been a good deal. The Jays got rid of $86 million owed to Wells at the cost of only $5 million. Everyone thought Wells was untradeable with that contract...Moreno made AA look like a genius.
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They kicked Josh Hamilton out of the door for a drug relapse, yet Tyler Skaggs was being dealt drugs by staff employees that got him killed.
The Angels need a clean slate
When you put it that way, ouch
Hamilton's drug relapse was just an excuse, they got rid of him because he was playing like trash, if he was still playing like he was in his prime they would have kept him.
Dan Haren & CJ Wilson come to mind for me
I reviewed both of these guys for the video, but they were both pretty solid for the Angels. Not great but not a failure
Their bad luck spans generators.
Justin upton? 6 years and 132M for 1 good year.
I almost put Upton on here, kind of a borderline one. His numbers dipped but not that bad from his norm.
Use to chap my hide how he would strike out and look like he was out for a beautiful Sunday walk going back to the dugout....NO fire, NO desire!!
I really want them to make the postseason. Shohei and Trout deserve it . And it would keep Shohei hopefully from getting stolen by the Dodgers
The bidding war for Ohtani is gonna be insane, assuming he doesn't get hurt this year or have a big dropoff in performance
As a Dodgers fan, as much as I want Dodgers to have him, we are not gonna win the World Series even with Ohtani because we got a boneheaded manager who is going to prevent us from winning while rest of the team feels comfortable buckling up and choking during postseason. I want Ohtani to win a title. That's the bottomline. He deserves a World Series title more than anyone out there.
@@cocourth5611just take him
To me, Rendon is the worst contract. Nevin feels obliged to put him at the 4th in the lineup as he is the top payed hitter in the team. If I were him, I would put him at the 7th.
It’s ownership with Arte playing GM he isn’t very good at it.
Yeah it really seems he gets infatuated by these guys' walk years and ignores the rest of their careers.
Bingo. And now clocks ticking in Shohei and I wouldn’t be mad if he wished to go elsewhere especially after last season.
Artes ignored the issues and meddled around it till it’s too late.
I think the name of this vid should be "when ppl go to Anaheim and there career is immediately derailed"
Pretty much. If you’re a player, the Angels or Rockies are essentially the kiss of death when it comes to playing there as it’s like your talent has been sapped from you.
Or "Veterans, come to Anaheim and get rewarded for what you did in the past"!!
It’s gotta be a locker room issue, like I’m convinced that after games they just go in the locker room and sit in silence
there are one or more people in that organization that are constantly and perpetually operating off of destructive intentions. one of them might even be the owner. no one should take their money. hanging around people who operate this way makes everyone around them or that they’re connected to prone chronic injuries and illness.
Jumping off some other commente here, I wonder if the Angels have an AWFUL coaching staff who do next to nothing to develop its players so as a result every player that joins the organization performs way worse than had they signed with anyone else. It just seems like a constant curse for them to the point where you have to wonder if there’s something deeply wrong going on within the Angels management
@michaelkimEXWC True! Mickey Hatcher is proof of that! His BFF Sciosia kept him on the payroll disguised as a "hitting coach". The guy was more of a mascot/cheerleader.
The only big name free agent that lived up to his contract for the Angels was Vlad Guerrero.
Yep there were a few good signings, Torii Hunter ended up being a good one.
Good video. My only issue is the Trout/Pujols comparison. Sure Pujols had better numbers all around. But also he was a 1st/3rd baseman. Trout did what he did as a CF. If you weigh the values of those stats based off position, Trout comes out ahead.
True, but offensively it's no contest. For overall player value the WAR stat speaks for that and favors Trout
If you look at the adjusted numbers, Trout comes out slightly ahead. 2011-2020 Trout put up a 171 wrc+ compared to 2001-2010 where Pujols put up a 169 wRC+. Pujols began his career in a better run scoring environment than Trout. Once you adjust, there's not a big difference between the two as far as hitting production goes. Imagine what Trout's numbers would look like if he spend career with the Red Sox or Rangers. It would be insane.
Super sour to come across these videos today, get pulled in and find out the playlist only had 3 teams! Not including my Red Sox 😑 Keep the series going!
Yep I got the Dodgers and Red Sox next. I'll try to do at least the big market teams here
Baseball version of the clippers
Sounds to me that the Angels have a management problem. It can’t be a coincidence that every time they sign a player at their peak or at least near their peak, they suddenly fall off a cliff as soon as they join the Angels. That’s no longer on the players, that’s on the people managing the team. What confirms it is that some of these guys played better once they left the Angels
Some of them definitely did. I'd love to know what Pujols experienced at the end, totally surging back to life once he was back in STL (also was pretty good with the Dodgers)
Another video also points out a few cases in which players have comeback season right after they leave the Angels. There's something serious wrong with their coaching/management staff.
This is why developing your prospects is essential. That's why the Astros are as good as they are. As soon as one guy leaves, next man up. The Angels have had money to spend just don't spend like the Yankees but what they both have in common is they've only developed one guy into a superstar for a long period of time. The Yankees, Aaron Judge and the Angels Mike Trout. Unless you want to count Shohei Ohtani for the Angels. At least one thing I will give credit to Brian Cashman for is his ability to find diamonds in the rough. Also Gerrit Cole hasn't been the worst free agent signing at all and during the regular season has lacked the mental toughness of an ace but he definitely did his part in the playoffs and I don't put any blame on him for the Yankees getting swept. I'll also say while Giancarlo Stanton hasn't been in MVP form for a full season since becoming a Yankee, the closest thing to that was in 2021 but that was really carried by the 2nd half, at least he's still worked out a lot better than Josh Hamilton or so far Anthony Rendon and even after a horrible 2022 season, you could probably say he has been a better Yankee than Pujols was an Angel. Unless Stanton just absolutely falls off a cliff from here on out. Stanton was traded to the Yankees though, just a reminder but since you brought up trades. Now I just hope Carlos Rodon works out.
Angels need to invest into the their farm systems, Yankees and Dodgers have camps all over DR
@@Charlieperez714 Yet the Yankees have yet to develop any of their international prospects into stars for more than 2 years. The closest the Yankees have had to more than 2 years is Luis Severino but he's always hurt.
@@showtimenick824 fair point, but there is a few International starts coming thru their system
Agree. Good example: We had SS Andrelton Simmons for 5 years. At that time he was arguably the best defensive SS in the MLB AND for us, he hit too, around .285. In those 5 years we never made the post, but more importantly, we never had anyone in the pipeline behind him. We weren't grooming anyone to take over when he's gone. What was the point?
From a purely financial perspective, that Vernon Wells trade has to be one of the worst of all time.
As a mariners fan, I love this video
Heartbroken that the team wasn't sold. Deathnell for sure because Minisian would have been gone, and he is one of the worst GMs in baseball.
It's like they are cursed
Hamilton isn't the worst. Its pujols
So far, I agree with you BUT they very well might be eclipsed by Rendon, we'll see
@@kendallevans4079 it's Rendon now. Pujols played as much as he could he just wasn't any good.
@@kylestrange4494 He wasn't. Another example of Arte rewarding a player for what he did for his previous team!
Mike Trout is, BY FAR, the worst long-term contract they have made. He hasn't completed a full season in six years, and is completely overrated on offense and defense. Anthony Rendon is a close second place, followed by Josh Hamilton taking the bronze medal.
I see where you're coming from BUT aside from 2021 he's put in a solid number of games, last year he only missed about a month and still put up astronomical numbers (40 HR, 999 OPS) so I don't think the contract can be deemed bad yet but if he continues to be injury prone then yeah.
@@homerunproductions162 You need to take a critical look at Trout's production, and WHEN it came during the season. Trout's big numbers usually came late in the season in meaningless games, long after the team has been eliminated. All I saw the first couple of years with him on the team was rally-killing K's at a historic rate, and a pedestrian arm in center field. He's in his age 32 season, and this contract will age terribly. I just don't understand the logic of these long-term contracts.
This tells me that they have serious coaching and strategy issues. I mean there's been way too much talent come through and go into decline.
Do their minor league system next! "Problematic minor league systems"
You could also add CJ Wilson and Jered Weaver
A forgotten big contract was CJ Wilson, 5 year $77 million in 2012 ERA+ of 96… his first 2 seasons were decent but really fell off the rails and wasn’t as good as he was in Texas
I originally was going to mention CJ Wilson but after looking at his stats I thought he was pretty much on par for his career so it wasn't a terrible signing.
What you didnt mention is that he didn't pitch at all during the last year of that contract.
Posting this after we had a good offseason is wild 💔 lmao
Tempted to make them a wildcard team this year. Renfroe and Anderson were really solid pickups
unfortunately i still don’t think we’re making the postseason ☹️
@@homerunproductions162 lol no way at all. There are way better teams. Rays, Mariners, Guardians, Yankees, Blue Jays, Astros, Twins, Orioles, Red Sox, Rangers.
This team reminds me of me . Has potential but I'm to sad to succeed 😂
wait a minute, your voice sounds familar... ain't you on Airtime Thrills
That would be me
To be fair the Hamilton signing wasn’t there fault all the other ones yes. They were either washed or just about to end their prime. Hamilton just fell off due to addiction and it fucked them over for years.
I don't necessarily think most of these are their fault. There haven't been many of their signings that are cringeworthy at the time. I liked the Pujols signing and the Wells trade, Teheran seemed like a good pickup, for some reason it just seems to never work out
@@homerunproductions162 man it’s like their cursed or something
@@homerunproductions162 also you sound like the six flags guy my older sister watches. Are you him?
@@kingtacogod3327 yep that would be me
The Angels also traded Mike Clevinger for 21 innings of Vinnie Pestano
I wonder who has given worse contracts between the Angels and Yankees?
What is in the water?
This is cathartic as a Yankees fan with the amount of dud free agents the team has made. But damn, the Yanks are nothing compared to the Angels. I guess it goes to show that as bad as Brian Cashman is, he's not THE WORST GM in the league.
Funny thing is that most of these Angels FA signings didn't seem bad at the time but they all managed to be
Okay but the Pujols and Hamilton signings were no brainers lol
This is going back some but we traded a very promising, young Dante Bichette for a fat and (way) over the hill Dave Parker.
Dante went on to have a brilliant career while we got nothing in return
who’s your favorite team
Dodgers, per when I asked him a couple weeks ago :)
Yep its the Dodgers but I also grew up as an Angel fan. They're my B team
Yankees
Well made video!
Thanks!
Tori hunter was great!!! Pujols eh decent. Hamilton terrible
You should try and make a video like this for all the mlb teams
I really should. Angels were pretty obvious but I bet there's a lot of regret out there
What a creative video idea
As an angels fan myself I can say Josh Hamilton was one of if not the worst contract ever.
Not gonna mention the Kent botenfield for Jim edmonds?
Angels got Adam KEnnedy in that deal too. 2002 ALCS MVP Adam Kennedy. Never underestimate what winning that world series did for the Angels as a whole. You could even remove the Mo Vaughn deal from being awful as it ended up bringing Kevin Appier in as a solid part of the rotation in '02.
Angels = where talented players go to crap. They were literally King Felixing Mike Trout right now and with how things have been going he needs to get out of there before it is too late. Ohtani even is Morenio throws the kitchen sink at him should run either for the money or for the Rings (as those two things dont always go together).
Justin Upton has to be up there
Love seeing the Angels lose
it has to come down to horrible big league scouting
Vernon Wells, Mo Vaughn, Josh Hamilton, then Anthony Rendon...etc??
Arte Never learns..
...unless they're superstar headliners from NPB.
Yeah about that...minor detail
Hamilton was stupid to leave Texas. Anybody with his history NEEDS to stay in the environment that brought him out of it and into a thriving life
Where is CJ Wilson in all of these?
I did consider CJ Wilson but his performance actually stayed pretty consistent. 3.87 ERA over 4 years after having a 3.60 ERA in Texas. Cant hate on it that much
@@homerunproductions162I don’t remember cj Wilson being too bad
It almost seems like they’re cursed
No it’s called terrible coaching
U could do a Mets list and it’s the same video 😂
Yasmani Grandal has more playoff wins than Mike Trout.
thanks dodgers
And the sky is blue
Let’s be honest. Anyone would sign the player’s they have right now. They’re just very unlucky
Agreed, these moves didn't seem bad at the time and the Angels were clearly bidding against other teams for most if not all of these guys.
THEYBE HAD OHTANI FOR 5 YEARS?! IM OLD?!
Haha...yeah it wasn't til 2021 that he went nuts as a complete 2-way player
Another one should be teheran
Remove rendon from honorable mentions
I think they just have bad luck
Arty Art
Angels gotta stop going after guys who had one career season during a contract year. If they still had cap space I wouldn't have been surprised if they signed Dansby Swanson this offseason
Arte….
3-5 years from now you’ll be doing one for the padres.
the angels are terrible at baseball