I don't think its quite the same... Wentz suffered a career ending injury that he managed to come back from but was never the same. Obviously there is a mental load that comes with that type of situation that could easily break any normal person. Ronda Rousey got famous from beating up soccer moms, her best wins were Miesha Tate twice and you can argue Cat Zingano. Other than that her fight record is really padded and as soon as she fought actual elite fighters like Holm and Nunes she lost and had a mental breakdown. There was like a span of multiple years where she would do nothing but sit on twitch and play video games in bed. Carson Wentz never crashed out that badly, imo he should retire and enjoy life with his kids.
His penis is still and always will be gingerly and small, but I admit in 2017 BEFORE his goal line rushing TD attempt late in the season - he was playing at such an elite level and super consistent to add. It really was like watching Linsanity all over again via NFL but even crazier.. anyways after the injury his bawls dried up QUICKLY AF and Big Dizzy Nizzy came thru and saved the ship. Wentz came all over the place and wentz with a bang bus minus the creampies and seminal lies 😅
@Justin Mathewson uhhh not even kloze. If nething deshaun buttfinger watson was looked at to beCUM the next great 1 and fasttt they called him the MJ of NFL then lamar came all over the league bukakke style and then he did the weird massage stuff and forced anal etc, so Michael Jordan himself put out a clause basically passed his OWN LAW making it illegal for any media or tv or radio to call watson anything relating to MJ whether by name or likeness or even hinting at it...nope they made it so if anyone mentions Mike and Deshaun in the same sentence then that person or persons would be terminated immediately with no pension or severance effective SEMENELY.
Carson Wentz proves something I've thought for a while now, that part of a an nfl qb's job and development is to learn to stay healthy. That means spiking the ball, taking embarrassing sacks, running out of bounds or sliding, and in general doing things that might make you look "weak." But it's about putting aside the ego and desire to look cool, understanding that pro ball is different than college ball not playing hero, and living to fight another day. Qbs on both sides of the equation show this is true: besides Wentz, there's RG3, Cam Newton, Trey Lance, and hopefully not but maybe Tua Tagovailoa--guys who didn't learn the skill and had abbreviated careers. On the other side are the guys who did, most famously Brady, but also Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, and both Mannings (and I'd argue Eli was better at it than Peyton, at least early in their careers). It's not sexy, but it's professional, it's grown up, and it's necessary if you want to have a proper nfl career.
@@scottwerner279 Not really. Big Ben had his share of injury worries, and they added up over the course of his career. Sure, he played a long time, but his overall level of play grew worse and worse each season. By the end of it, watching Big Ben play was like watching Mohammed Ali come out of retirement for an exhibition match while suffering from cumulative CTE and Parkinson's disease. It was sad, like watching a bus full of school children with no brakes slowly roll down a mountain pass until it eventually careened off a cliff.
*Carson Was Always Injury Prone Which Is Why I Was Pissed The Eagles Went Out Of Their Way To Draft Him Because I Knew He Couldn't Last In The NFL With His Fragile Body*
I like your argument. Those men you mentioned (Brady, Mannings, Brees) were the epidome of pocket passers. They didn't dance around a lot like ballerinas or make explosive runs when the pocket collapsed, maybe rolled out but that was about it. Mostly, they were highly intelligent football players who knew how to direct their offense to make big plays. It was not an uncommon sight to see them bark a half dozen signals and adjust blocking or routes once they analyzed the situation and the defense's posture. Not every play was a masterpiece of course but they consistently did well or excellent, and all of them won a Superbowl at some point. It wasn't flashy, but it was smart football. I'm an Eagles fan, so Hurts, for example, has been trying to do both recently, playing as both a pocket passer and be a rushing threat. It's had success last season, but it's also incredibly risky (as with Wentz. I remember being speechless when I watched his injury live). One single wrong move, and he could become another Carson Wentz. I also notice he doesn't seem to be in control of the offense a lot. They line up and just snap the ball. Almost never changing the play or adjusting blocks. Perhaps that's common for rushing QBs because the staff just assume if the play goes sideways, he can just rush out of danger.
Eagles fan here and Wentz’s downward spiral has always been interesting. The point of no return imo was when big dick nick won us the super bowl that probably should’ve been wentz’s moment. After that his confidence was shot and he was never the same
I honestly thought the Wentz/Foles situation was going to be another Simms/Hostetler situation. When Parcells retired after winning the Super Bowl in 1990 Ray Handley came in and named Hostetler the starting QB instead of Simms. I gave the Eagles credit at the time for not giving up on Wentz like the Giants did with Simms, but it ultimately didn’t work. Granted I still don’t think going with Foles would have been the answer either. He’s never played a full season and in 2018 they begged Wentz to play as soon as he was ready because Foles wasn’t cutting it early in the season.
I don't _get_ that. If I had been in his place I'd have been "damn, wait 'til they see how _I_ perform when not taken out of things" then gone on to do just that. Being taken out by injury was out of his control as was how well the Eagles did. I do not have the type of ego that thinks people can only win with me. I understand the difference between individual & group achievement & how one can undermine the other. Only villains undermine the group because they feel like a petulant child.
*Only Because Them Teams Wanted To Be That Girlfriend "I Can Fix Him"... Lmao Every Eagles Fan Knew There's No Fixing Fragile Bodies & Minds Like Sam & Carson.*
Something that i felt deserved a mention was Nick Foles’ performance in the 2018 regular season. Eagles were 6-7 when wentz went down. Foles comes in and beats the Rams (who i believe were 10-3 at the time), and then the Texans the next week (who were 10-4). He put up an absolutely insane statline in the game against Houston too, 400+ passing yards and a clutch game winning drive. I think that’s when things got bad in the foles v wentz discussion. Sure in 2017 wentz had them 11-2 and Foles just sorta walked into the 1 seed, but in 2018, Foles got them TO the playoffs.
Yeah and were essentially one play away from going to back-to-back nfc championship game appearances too. The 2018 divisional playoff game against the saints was so close for the eagles
@@BobectorGamesBobector yup. I believe it was Alshon Jeffrey, a 4th and medium(?) and it hit him right in the hands and he dropped it sadly and that was game.
That 2019 playoff game broke my heart. McCown tore his hamstring during that game too. Honestly, reminded me of the NFC championship game last season with the whole Purdy injury.
Wentz's issues are primarily between his ears. It's pretty apparent he became a head case at some point. Maybe the Clowney hit to the noggin did more damage than we realized. Wentz was actually really impressive down the stretch in 2019, since that Eagles offense was lacking any playmakers...yet they somehow got hot and got into the playoffs with Wentz playing great. But clearly it's been bad ever since. His competitive ego must still have him wanting to be a starter, but his only path to stay in the NFL is to be a backup and seize a moment if it ever comes up. Of course, he has plenty of money (presumably) so maybe he'll just want to disappear and go fishing or something the rest of his life.
Maybe if he went legs first when making runs, like all the other QB's, he'd get injured less? Just my two cents, but If you play dangerously, you'll obviously get appropriately punished. He always did those boneheaded head-first dives to gain yards, when he had no reason to. He was as reckless as they come.
As a diehard Eagles fan I was waiting for Wentz to reach out to former NFL QBs for guidance specifically Kurt Warner, Payton Manning etc. Quarterbacks that made their careers by getting the ball out quickly due to their elite pre snap defense recognition. Unfortunately that never happened. Carson always decided to stick with trainers that he knew that would not hold him accountable. It’s very unfortunate because even to this day I still believe he has talent but he has to work with someone that’s going to hold him accountable. FYI I put Cam Newton in this same category as Wentz. Both quarterbacks unfortunately hold unto the football for too long.
It’s really sad to see his downfall. I started seriously watching the NFL during his run of form in his 2nd year with the Eagles, and even as a Patriots fan, I thought this guy was 100% going to win the MVP. Sadly, he just went downhill since and it goes to show you how brutal the NFL can be.
He didn't have a downfall. He is out of the NFL for.the 2023 season. It happens to players. Matt Ryan, Mitch Trubisky & others are dealing with the same. It happens every season--some players are out of the NFL. Just stick to the facts instead of, speculating about mental & medical conditions you can't prove he has or had. Carson Wentz is not playing football this season. He didn't have a Josh Gordon incident (violation of substance abuse policy). He didn't get arrested for murder or some other felony which = NFL down fall. Stop being so silly and dramatic. Content creators will have to find something better to discuss. Wentz bashing is no longer lucrative or interesting.
@@ctruth6185going from a top 2 mvp candidate on a superbowl winning team to out of the league in 4 years is the epitome of downfall, regardless of injuries and drama. What the actual fuck are u going on about ? And this is coming from an eagles fan. We all wanted the best for him. But there is a certain point in time when we all need to face reality.
@@bandito6678 *LMAO You're A Straight Moron... How Many Playoff Games Have Wentz Won? GTFOH With Staying With The Eagles... Hurts Is The REAL FUTURE & Here You Wentz Fangirls Still Running Your Dumb Mouths.*
Yep, the NFL is a meat grinder, even with the efforts it's made to make the game less dangerous. At least Wentz should have enough money to last for generations.
Wentz biggest issue was he couldn’t connect with teammates, Corey clement is a personal friend of mine, he said it was like he never been around black people before football
Carson Wentz highly contributed to the eagles superbowl season, and it was their first ever Superbowl victory. For that he should be remembered in a good light in Philadelphia.
it was an absolute MIRACLE that Howie Roseman was able to build that team into a Super Bowl Champion SO QUICKLY after Chip. honestly I thought it would take at least 10 years after Chip released all of their best players!
@@tubfrog Can you do a vid on how Drew Brees is the biggest anomaly of this century. Undersized qb, traded to a new team, let the city through Katrina, insane accuracy, career ending injuries, no arm power, refs, and Tom
It's definitely a mental thing. Imagine being on a mvp trajectory get a injury that alters your career then see the backup win the ultimate prize. that would crush anyone. It's like he had to win a SB every season or he was basically a failure in Philly
He's never been the same since he got high/lowed in that game against the Rams and he got injured. To me, that was where it all came apart for his career...he's never been as good as he was that year.
To me he doesn't a a physical issue, he has a mental issue. There isn't many players in NFL history that can say they got injured and watched their back up win the SB (and SB MVP), and the ones that did were never the same after.
@@Ocean5ix I mean, eventuellt physical injuries turn into mental ones. Every time he’s been in fire he gets injured in a bad way. Pain. Rehab. More pain. Someone takes your thunder. So you change things, subconsciously if nothing else. You move differently, maybe you don’t trust your line or your playcaller as much. All of a sudden you’re not the player you were and that makes it worse.
@@Ocean5ix Yeah, true. Alex Smith and Drew Bledsoe come to mind in that scenario. Both got injured late in the season and had to sit by and watch someone else finish the job.
@@TheCountofToulouseSmith at least got his happy moment comeback especially after his hard fight back. Things really changed for Bledsoe unfortunately once he got hurt
@@NWOWCW4Life1 Do you remember Kerry Collins? He 'was' a lights out QB until one game where a LB got a running, totally unblocked hit on him and broke his jaw. Apparently the recover was long and painful, what it was, he seemed to be HALF the QB he was. It was like night and day. Then there are guys you should FEAR...the more you try to hurt them, the MORE they fight. Stafford comes to mind. That guy is a fierce QB.
He's got his money, got his SuperBowl ring, got his time in the spotlight. As much as an Eagles fan I would love to see Wentz return to the field and revive his career. I hope he does the best for himself and young family. He's been hurt many times like you said and I think it's best he walks away from the sport.
*As A Eagles Fan I Don't Want To See That Ginger Ever In Philly Again And Hope His Bust Career Is Over... Don't Even Try To Deny He's Not A Bust When He Destroyed A Super Bowl Team For The Future & Won 0 YES 0 Playoff Games His Whole Career. TRASH!*
@@sl0thman353 *Nick Foles Was The Whole Driving Force Behind The Playoffs & Super Bowl DeMentia Billy... Who Has A Statue In Philly & A Super Bowl MVP?... Case Closed Wentz Fangirl... Hate All You Want Phony "Eagles Fan" Little William.*
@@kuollut Bro go to therapy, I'm not even an Eagles fan lmao. Just someone who knows football well enough to know that Foles wouldn't have a statue if Wentz wasn't there to get the team to the playoffs in the first place.
Big Eagles fan, very sad to me. I appreciate that he was a very important part of the super bowl year. With him well... Love were we are at now! Go Birds!
Yeah dude, no one gives him any credit lmao. Like he stood in the pocket with a torn acl and threw a dine to win the game in st loius to give us home field advantage where we went on to win the super bowl.. people forget
@@HamztaZ very few, .. with time, people will appreciate what he was, a very good QB. That unfortunately wasn't able to handle his backup winning it all and the pressure for him to do it.
As an Eagles fan he just wouldnt take criticism or listen to his coaches. He was too stubborn to admit he was figured out and had to adjust. He just denied it and played himself out of town.
There's a really good video out there by I think Brett Kollmann that shows the drastic changes in his playstyle and decision making by the injuries. Specifically his ACL tear and how it absolutely altered his scrambling and pocket positioning, and that high/low hit making him seem to be hesitant to take a hit or take a chance or try to force out a throw. Injuries really do change a player.
@@jonpoeticaltrue. Favre got destroyed many times in an era where QB's were protected way less and yet he kept hanging in the pocket to make tough throws until the absolute end.
You’re absolutely right. As a Philly fan that Jake Elliot FG to beat the Giants made the team feel unbeatable. The off-season acquisition of Blount was Huge too. Wentz really did earn MVP that season it’s a shame voters didn’t think the same. Wentz did throw a TD after tearing his ACL. Eagles drafted Foles and he was familiar with the Eagles older RPO playbook ripped from Oregon. Foles had a 27 TD 2 INT season in Philly, he threw an NFL record 7 TDs against the Raiders, and was named SB MVP in his Philly career alone so watch the hate lol. 2017 was a true miracle🦅
As an eagles fan, it was so exciting that he was living up to the hype. I feel like a few games into 2017 we could watch something else at halftime because they were smoking teams. So many times wentz would be In a pile of defenders and somehow pop out of it. When he went down I literally wanted to cry. I was furious when we originally chose hurts over wentz, even tho every eagles fan pretends they weren’t. I still root for him and feel bad the way it’s gone down. I feel like he didn’t get a fair shake in Indy. At least he made all that money for his family. Still grateful for his 2017.
@Richard Charles Frank Reich's career as an NFL head coach is far from over. See what he does with the Panthers before you declare him a bust. Reich did not have the power to choose his coaching staff at Indy. Every move had to be cleared with Ballard & Irsay.
He wasn’t that good if you ask me 🤷🏽♂️ I thought he was going to be a Pretty good Qb with a few very good seasons but nothing too special… I was wrong
At the point he got benched, it was honestly time because he was broken. I honestly am one who always loved the Hurts pick because I followed him at Alabama, watched him go thru the Tua adversity & bounce back from that, watched him get benched again at Alabama & then watched him go on a Potential Heisman run at Oklahoma, so I was wit it from the beginning. I honestly felt when we landed Hurts it was a blessing & that he honestly should've been a 1st Rounder. I have never seen a Heisman QB Candidate be a second round draft pick. Brilliant Pick on Howie's part. However, I didn't expect Hurts to come in and start. My hopes was for Hurts to just learn behind Wentz. I mean shit, we had to get a reliable backup. Foles was gone, McGown was a thousand years old, and I ain't even gonna speak the QB's name that we sent to the 49ers, because he was HOT BUNZ & couldn't backup a choir. In the end, Wentz just mentally broke down. I don't know if it was all the injuries or the Foles Statue, but he just basically forced Jalen Hurts into the job because he checked out on us. These are the facts.
Lmao y’all are idiotic for wanting wentz to start over hurtz when wentz has been trash majority of his career… please don’t let that one year fool Y’all
Ok, so I was watching the Denver Broncos Quarterback video (being a Raider fan I loved that video) and I loved the long style content. I was hoping you would make more and as soon as I thought that, you release this video!
Wentz' career was a mix of bad luck with injuries, bad management and some myths (or facts) about him that we'll only know when all the players get old and start spilling the beans. Both he and the Eagles were one of the most injured teams from 2017 to 2020, so even when Wentz was playing, the rest of the team was ravaged by injuries, hence why Josh McCown's WR1 was Greg Ward, because he was also Wentz' WR1 for most of that season and he still managed to throw for 4000 yards, the only QB in Eagles history. The management sucked from 2018 to 2020. Howie Roseman was way over his head, overthinking the draft and trying to get the unpopular talent that would shock the world, instead he got some of the biggest busts of this last decade. Wentz never had a WR even close to the talent of Devonta Smith, let alone having Smith and AJ Brown. I'm not saying I would want him back though, just that the only season he had a team around him (that wasn't even close to how good the current roster is), he almost won an MVP. And the "myths" are all the shady stuff surrounding his leadership. The media was constantly trying to undermine him by leaking "anonymous letters" saying he was a bad teammate, then Jim Irsay did what he did to him. What I find interesting is that his teammates always went out of their way to say they liked him, every single one of his instagram pics has guys he played with saying good things to and about him. So yea, we'll never know the truth. One thing I can say is that "leadership" is something we fans can't see, it's something we have to trust the media and insiders. I say this because if you watch Wentz mic'd up he always seemed to be a great leader, motivating his teammates, celebrating but the media always said otherwise. With Hurts he says "I had a purpose before anyone had an opinion" and everybody does back flips screaming how he's a fantastic leader. I don't see it, but I BELIEVE it because it's what the media and his teammates says. Everything points towards Hurts being a fantastic leader and teammate, while with Wentz most things point towards him being a bad leader.
As a Mississippi State fan; it's impossible for me to not feel schadenfreude because of how much Eagles fans put down Dak and praised Wentz at the beginning of their career.
@@shawnmanson1285that's a fact, and I used to be a huge Cowboys fan. Now I can't even stand the majority of their fanbase. But Philly fans in general are the worst, tied with Boston/NE fans of any sport. And I still love my Celtics, but the truth is the truth.
Wow ... I just re-lived every moment. As a Die-Hard Eagles Fan ... This was painful to watch. I know as Philly Fans ... We can be very hard on our Athletes. But I'll ALWAYS Be Grateful to Carson Wentz, because without his amazing run we may not have won Superbowl 52 in 2017.
Wentz has pretty much become the Brandon Roy of the NFL. Both guys were poised to become elite, only for injuries to get in their way and flame them out.
Terrible comparison. Brandon Roy was a 3 time all star before his knees began to give him Trouble. Wentz is literally the football version of bill Walton. They both have red hair everything
@@Ballinbmac that’s generous to Carson and feels off in general. Walton missed his first two years with injuries, got healthy, was 2x all NBA, 1 time league MVP and 1x finals MVP before his legs gave out again nearly for good. He accomplished more with more dominance at his brief peak and then altered his game to a bench role winning several more titles and sixth man awards. If we’re sticking to Trail Blazers Sam Bowie might be a better fit.
Don’t blame injury, blame all the quit the man has inside… there is zero win and a ton of I don’t wanna in that loser. He screwed the eagles by never trying
The Eagles have a reputation for burning out QBs, that was the case with, Cunningham, McNabb & Vick who was a shell of himself after playing for the Eagles. All of that dog hate he got was hard on him, according to his wife. Wentz also got a lot of hate from Foles fans & the Philly sports media. All the fan negativity & bad media coverage added to all the pressure of expectation a season brings. It also undermined his leadership. Let's hope the Eagles don't wear Hurts down too.
I remember in that game thinking this style of play is not for him long term..we used him then dumped him..Thank You Carson I love you bro..I waited 50 to win a SB
One thing no one mentioned is that he wasn't all that great in the pocket. Most of his production was based on play action or scramble broken plays. He was never the greatest decision maker and once those injuries settled in his ability to play in the pocket was crucial and never really became great. I do believe he still capable of playing average ball but I think his personality plays a big part in that as well
Yes. And average isnt enough in the NFL. Except for coaches unable to judge QB talent. Average QBs make careers out of it. But thats another long long story.
Nick Foles credits Wentz for bringing him back to God that season. Wentz was a huge part of making that team what it was in the locker room. I'm not really sure what happened after they got their ring tho..
I used to live down the street from Carson in Fargo. Only time you saw him was on his moped to and from class. Constant party’s around him and he stayed so focused. Breaks my heart he didn’t pan out
Nick Foles was honored with a statue at the stadium for WINNING 1ST EAGLES SUPERBOWL so let's not pretend Carson was not killing it But Foles already had been in the hall of fame from his original eagles rookie year Got caught up in that Chip Kelly blitzkrieg offense Got bounced around landed back on the eagles to sit humbly on the bench until Carson got hurt Foles became "BIG DICK NICK" hall of famer got traded away for Carson who only really proven he will get hurt for sure NICK FOLES is a Philly legend Not Carson
I was in Chicago and staying in the hotel that all the players were the night of the draft. Before heading over to watch the draft across the street, we witnessed a young boy, probably 6 or 7 nervously walk up and approach Carson Wentz to ask for an autograph on his football. Wentz looked down at him, didn't say a word and then looked back up to who I assume was his agent. The guy then just shooed the poor kid away. Never liked the guy after that. Sounds like that behavior continued throughout his career.
If Wentz still had the desire and drive to play, I cannot imagine he is done. He might have to spend a year or two in the CFL or XFL, but it could really benefit him and help him get back to at least close to what he was.
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As a die hard eagles fan I was all behind Wentz but since he's left I noticed obviously he has personality issues. It showed by his communication with teammates to his lack of leadership in areas. He definitely had the talent but he's hard headed too so it is what it is
I think another issue with his career was the teams injuries. From 2017 to 2020 the Eagles had injuries at every single position group and in 2020 it finally hit the O-Line cause any QB back there to be a shell of themself.
Every team is hit by injuries. But how about that: The talent around him made him look special? Heck, even his back up was better than him that SB year.
@@FoxxyBrown1111 The Super Bowl team wasn’t as talented as other super bowl teams. As of now there’s like 3 potential Hall of Famers on that team. Kelce, Lane, and Fletch. Even that year the Eagles won the SB they lost 4 Captains in Wentz, Jason Peters, Jordan Hicks, and Darren Sproles. All fundamental pieces to the team throughout the decade. Idk how many teams in league history can lose their starting QB, MLB, LT, and go on to win the super bowl. Wentz was different than Foles. Both did great things in their own way. Foles is and has been great under pressure throughout his entire football career. Wentz always plays superman ball and that year it made him look like a poor man’s current Mahomes. All i have to say to people is to go back and watch each of those games. Wentz did things that I hadn’t seen guys do
@@jordanburden7018 Good post. Otoh, I was never sold on Wentz. Foles has a much better delivery, stronger arm, pocket passer, showed efiiciency on talented teams. A recipe for winning QBs. Actually its a crime Foles got to all the worst teams he ever could go to. That gave him the label of a back up QB without practise reps. He deserves to be a folk hero in Philly forever. Wentz otoh is just another 1st rounder given tons of chances to show off (his shortcomings). The real tragedy is Foles, a humble guy, not Wentz laughing his axx off having fooled everybody.
@@FoxxyBrown1111Nick Foles is not an NFL starter, even as an Eagles fan he isn’t that guy. Whenever he’s been a full-time starter outside of that fluke 2013 season, he’s been ass. He’s a spot starter, that’s it.
My dad always called it, even when I still was a big Wentz supporter, the fact they built a shrine to Foles was proof Carson was just not a well liked guy in the locker room.
He hasn't reached rock bottom. He's been paid 120 million so far and he has his family. He was never the same after his serious knee injury. He helped get Philly into the Super Bowl.
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As an Eagles fan, seeing Wentz slowly get worse and worse every year was terrible to watch. He was such a promising player, and the city loved him. It's hard to say what really went wrong with his career, but it still sucked to see.
Eagles had top Wrs & OL that's why Wentz had so much Success. Eagles love to Have big Physical Wrs, TE's & OL & a Defense. Anyone could have ran that team. Mac Jones would have been good on that team.
His problem he wanted to do it his way. He became big headed and he wouldn't listen to any of his quarterback coaches. Hurts is completely different than Wentz. Hurts work with his coaches. A young quarterback have to work with their coaches to improve.
Carson's injuries & insecurities were his downfall in Philly after 2017. He clashed with coaches after Reich left, players called him out on his play on the field (HE SHOULD HAVE DEALT WITH THIS SINCE HE WAS THE LEADER OF THE TEAM) then he developed "the Brett Favre/Mark Sanchez Syndrome". He caught feeling when Hurts was drafted but did'nt want to help him which ULTIMATELY led him being ran out of Philly.
9:55 is kind of a weird stat line. It's just 3rd down stats. Sure, 3rd down is important, but idk how that metric should be considered. And pause at 12:25. Look there. They were 50% on 3rd down, but every other metric was mediocre at best .
All I can say as an Eagles fan to that man is thank you for that amazing 2017 season I believe if he didn't get hurt he would still be an Eagle and would be top tier QB but he just couldn't stah healthy after he hurt his knee, wouldn't mind him back in philly as back up.#FLYEAGLESFLY #FOREVERANEAGLE
As a Vikings fan that likes your videos thank you for not wanting to talk about the Vikings 2017 NFC title game embarrassment more than you needed too lol
The unluckiest players are those whose careers ended in camp. With injuries. Before ever stepping on a field for a regular season game... Unlucky are those ignored in the draft or drafted low. For every Romo, Brady, Warner, Kitna, Purdy, Delhomme, etc, there are 1.000 "camp arms" never given a chance to play. That my dear is unlucky... Wentz has his axx shoved up with millions of unworthy dollars. One of the most lucky NFL players ever.
Does not seem like a bad guy off the field. But as an NFL quarterback, he was was terrible: lack of leadership, lack of playing talent, and brittle bones that made him susceptible to an excessive number of injuries.
Dak Prescott suffered a worse injury and still came back. Yeah cowboys can’t get past the second round or such but Dak still came back with a vengeance. Meanwhile Carson got worse and worse.
@@BillyBob-wq9fl yeah ok, thats not the point? What you are implying is Wentz was better right? AND he endured a lesser injury (still hard but lesser compared to a broken leg) so... He should have been able to at least play at Prescotts level
@@BillyBob-wq9fl Actually Prescott (2016) had better efficiency numbers than Wentz (2017). And Foles, the back up with zero practise reps prior the injury of Wentz, had better stats in 2017, culminating in this epic SB performance. Wentz was overrated all the way. The signs were there from the beginning.
Wentz did well in football. Just couldn't get past himself. He made his money, he was exciting to watch and nerve wrecking to watch at the same time. Good luck to thta guy. When he was on he was on. When he was awful, well..
I did not doubt Foles in 2017. Wentz was playing well because he was on a great team, so Foles could do the same. Additionally, Foles threw 27 touchdowns and 2 interceptions in 2013.
I feel bad for Wentz he was one of my favorite players as soon as he was drafted he played so good to keep getting unlucky then he lost his confidence in the process and it was just down from there and the colts year was pretty good besides the last game really and the colts gave up on him the media has been against him since 2019 aswell
He did get unlucky at times, but I’m sorry when you have a QBR of 5.5( scale of 1-100) playing the worst team in the league as 17 point favorites in a “win and you’re in” situation, you deserve a ton of criticism.
Mmmmhhh... Let me think... Oh, I have it: Foles won those games with the Eagles. Won an actual MVP award. Ofc the wannabe doesnt get the statute. Even in the new woke world where 2+2=5.
As an Eagles fan, I always root for Carson Wentz no matter where he goes. I feel like he just got shafted his whole career, and I feel like I’d be frustrated too if my lifelong dream played out like that. I wish him the best, and hope he finds something of that 2017 form again…just not against my Eagles.
NFL is a big boys game. this is a what have you done for me, lately? League.Wentz has been paid handsomely with multiple multiple millions and many chances to be a starter for a major franchise. No-one shafted him, he just couldn't mentally and physically cut it. I will never forget ,as long as I live sports-wise ,watching wentz literally quit on his team. I'm making a judgment, and if I'm wrong, may God forgive me, but he claimed that he got hit in the head and couldn't go on, in the game versus the Seahawks. I've never forgotten that. I said at the time:wow something is mentally wrong with this man, he just QUIT. The moment was too big for him. he just didn't have what it took after they won that Super Bowl .
@@itoo3654I don’t think it was that he quit. I think he genuinely was given a concussion, and they took him out. If we can make an argument that Montez Burfict cause AB to spiral out, then Clowney could be the reason that Wentz had the 2020 and beyond type of career that he had.
@@Shinde425 VONTAE Burfict didn't cause AB to spiral, that's was something internal, within HIM. I saw Carson quit BEFORE my VERY eyes. It's psychological with him. He FINALLY had a chance to take his team THROUGH the playoffs and he just COULDN'T-- probably envisioned the inevitable comparison with Foles, if he failed. The camera zoomed in VERY close, and I saw his eyes. He got the equivalent of the yips, and used the EXCUSE of that light tap by a semi washed Marshawn ,to bow out of game, gracefully. He really needs to see a sports psychologist.
@@itoo3654 im sorry how are you blaming him when he literally got spun and landed on the back of his head by one of the most dominants college DE of all time no shit he wouldnt be able to play and how are you blaming him when his top receivers was greg ward jr and travis fulgum in 2020 im sorry the eagles couldnt build around Carson Wentz once his career started a downfall the eagles finally started making some good draft picks like devonta smith and trading for Aj Brown. Bro the eagles passed on justin jefferson and Dk Metcalf just to get some bums in exchange who did nothing for the franchise. if Wentz still had a lil faith from the eagles and waited for some actual receivers to come into the roster no shit his career would've been a different path then rn you cant blame a player for quitting when their organization doesnt build around you and pass up on all pro weapons for 3 straight years and no help...
Jim McMahon? He fought those circumstance in a 15 year career... Injuries are no excuses for nowadyas pampered QBs. Divas make it or dont. Wentz didnt. Simple as that.
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sorry i had to add some blurs throughout this video. Roger was not happy with me.
Dang it roger
Who's Roger?
Roger Rabbit? 🐰
@@edwardgaines6561 tubfrog played pattycake
When using numbers be careful using “-“ as in -234
@@TrggrWarning I wouldn't go so far to say be careful. But at the same time, it's definitely confusing for a second
Wentz suffered from the Ronda Rousey effect. Spent his whole life at top, when he finally fell he never recovered (mentally).
I don't think its quite the same... Wentz suffered a career ending injury that he managed to come back from but was never the same. Obviously there is a mental load that comes with that type of situation that could easily break any normal person.
Ronda Rousey got famous from beating up soccer moms, her best wins were Miesha Tate twice and you can argue Cat Zingano. Other than that her fight record is really padded and as soon as she fought actual elite fighters like Holm and Nunes she lost and had a mental breakdown. There was like a span of multiple years where she would do nothing but sit on twitch and play video games in bed. Carson Wentz never crashed out that badly, imo he should retire and enjoy life with his kids.
the fact that in 2017 he was considered basically a top 3 PLAYER in the nfl is insane
Absolutely
He was supposed to be what Mahomes became
2017 NFL was wild af
His penis is still and always will be gingerly and small, but I admit in 2017 BEFORE his goal line rushing TD attempt late in the season - he was playing at such an elite level and super consistent to add. It really was like watching Linsanity all over again via NFL but even crazier.. anyways after the injury his bawls dried up QUICKLY AF and Big Dizzy Nizzy came thru and saved the ship.
Wentz came all over the place and wentz with a bang bus minus the creampies and seminal lies 😅
@Justin Mathewson uhhh not even kloze. If nething deshaun buttfinger watson was looked at to beCUM the next great 1 and fasttt they called him the MJ of NFL then lamar came all over the league bukakke style and then he did the weird massage stuff and forced anal etc, so Michael Jordan himself put out a clause basically passed his OWN LAW making it illegal for any media or tv or radio to call watson anything relating to MJ whether by name or likeness or even hinting at it...nope they made it so if anyone mentions Mike and Deshaun in the same sentence then that person or persons would be terminated immediately with no pension or severance effective SEMENELY.
Carson Wentz proves something I've thought for a while now, that part of a an nfl qb's job and development is to learn to stay healthy. That means spiking the ball, taking embarrassing sacks, running out of bounds or sliding, and in general doing things that might make you look "weak." But it's about putting aside the ego and desire to look cool, understanding that pro ball is different than college ball not playing hero, and living to fight another day. Qbs on both sides of the equation show this is true: besides Wentz, there's RG3, Cam Newton, Trey Lance, and hopefully not but maybe Tua Tagovailoa--guys who didn't learn the skill and had abbreviated careers. On the other side are the guys who did, most famously Brady, but also Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, and both Mannings (and I'd argue Eli was better at it than Peyton, at least early in their careers). It's not sexy, but it's professional, it's grown up, and it's necessary if you want to have a proper nfl career.
That makes Big Ben a weird outlier
@@scottwerner279 Not really. Big Ben had his share of injury worries, and they added up over the course of his career. Sure, he played a long time, but his overall level of play grew worse and worse each season. By the end of it, watching Big Ben play was like watching Mohammed Ali come out of retirement for an exhibition match while suffering from cumulative CTE and Parkinson's disease.
It was sad, like watching a bus full of school children with no brakes slowly roll down a mountain pass until it eventually careened off a cliff.
Great point.
*Carson Was Always Injury Prone Which Is Why I Was Pissed The Eagles Went Out Of Their Way To Draft Him Because I Knew He Couldn't Last In The NFL With His Fragile Body*
I like your argument. Those men you mentioned (Brady, Mannings, Brees) were the epidome of pocket passers. They didn't dance around a lot like ballerinas or make explosive runs when the pocket collapsed, maybe rolled out but that was about it. Mostly, they were highly intelligent football players who knew how to direct their offense to make big plays. It was not an uncommon sight to see them bark a half dozen signals and adjust blocking or routes once they analyzed the situation and the defense's posture. Not every play was a masterpiece of course but they consistently did well or excellent, and all of them won a Superbowl at some point. It wasn't flashy, but it was smart football.
I'm an Eagles fan, so Hurts, for example, has been trying to do both recently, playing as both a pocket passer and be a rushing threat. It's had success last season, but it's also incredibly risky (as with Wentz. I remember being speechless when I watched his injury live). One single wrong move, and he could become another Carson Wentz. I also notice he doesn't seem to be in control of the offense a lot. They line up and just snap the ball. Almost never changing the play or adjusting blocks. Perhaps that's common for rushing QBs because the staff just assume if the play goes sideways, he can just rush out of danger.
God bless you Wentz and Thank you for the 10-2 start in 2017!
Please stop that team went undefeated without Wentz
@@AlexRosner-v8tnot true..they lost to Dallas last game
Eagles fan here and Wentz’s downward spiral has always been interesting. The point of no return imo was when big dick nick won us the super bowl that probably should’ve been wentz’s moment. After that his confidence was shot and he was never the same
I honestly thought the Wentz/Foles situation was going to be another Simms/Hostetler situation. When Parcells retired after winning the Super Bowl in 1990 Ray Handley came in and named Hostetler the starting QB instead of Simms. I gave the Eagles credit at the time for not giving up on Wentz like the Giants did with Simms, but it ultimately didn’t work. Granted I still don’t think going with Foles would have been the answer either. He’s never played a full season and in 2018 they begged Wentz to play as soon as he was ready because Foles wasn’t cutting it early in the season.
We wouldn’t have won that Super Bowl with wentz
@@ek9589 they was the best team that year regardless of qb bro
I don't _get_ that. If I had been in his place I'd have been "damn, wait 'til they see how _I_ perform when not taken out of things" then gone on to do just that.
Being taken out by injury was out of his control as was how well the Eagles did. I do not have the type of ego that thinks people can only win with me. I understand the difference between individual & group achievement & how one can undermine the other.
Only villains undermine the group because they feel like a petulant child.
In 2019 he basically led a practice squad offense to the playoffs. He was great that year.
Take a moment to appreciate the fact that Howie Rosegod got first round picks for both Sam Bradford and Carson Wentz
*Only Because Them Teams Wanted To Be That Girlfriend "I Can Fix Him"... Lmao Every Eagles Fan Knew There's No Fixing Fragile Bodies & Minds Like Sam & Carson.*
I don’t take anyone seriously who forgot that they pushed control b before they typed their comment
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Wentz is the perfect example of how mental strength, character, and intangibles matter more than actual talent at the NFL level
That goes for any professional sport tbh
And not being a narcissist with a huge ego. And being spoon fed from birth.
Funny how Hurts was the perfect contrast
I know. Wentz was mentally strong, had lots of character, and lots of intangibles. It's why he was elite in 2017, 2018, and 2019.
@@matthewjbutch Huh? You missed the point entirely.
Something that i felt deserved a mention was Nick Foles’ performance in the 2018 regular season. Eagles were 6-7 when wentz went down. Foles comes in and beats the Rams (who i believe were 10-3 at the time), and then the Texans the next week (who were 10-4). He put up an absolutely insane statline in the game against Houston too, 400+ passing yards and a clutch game winning drive. I think that’s when things got bad in the foles v wentz discussion. Sure in 2017 wentz had them 11-2 and Foles just sorta walked into the 1 seed, but in 2018, Foles got them TO the playoffs.
Yeah and were essentially one play away from going to back-to-back nfc championship game appearances too. The 2018 divisional playoff game against the saints was so close for the eagles
@@redt7452I remember that game. Didn't it go through a receivers hands on 4th or something?
@@BobectorGamesBobector yup. I believe it was Alshon Jeffrey, a 4th and medium(?) and it hit him right in the hands and he dropped it sadly and that was game.
The Eagles players respected and played harder for Foles. Wentz had lost the locker room by that point.
@@redt7452it was a third and 10...maybe 11 and it was a 5 yard pass and even if caught Alshon would've been dropped on the spot
That 2019 playoff game broke my heart. McCown tore his hamstring during that game too. Honestly, reminded me of the NFC championship game last season with the whole Purdy injury.
Wentz has no desire to won wentz makes everyone worse
Wentz's issues are primarily between his ears. It's pretty apparent he became a head case at some point. Maybe the Clowney hit to the noggin did more damage than we realized. Wentz was actually really impressive down the stretch in 2019, since that Eagles offense was lacking any playmakers...yet they somehow got hot and got into the playoffs with Wentz playing great. But clearly it's been bad ever since. His competitive ego must still have him wanting to be a starter, but his only path to stay in the NFL is to be a backup and seize a moment if it ever comes up. Of course, he has plenty of money (presumably) so maybe he'll just want to disappear and go fishing or something the rest of his life.
It was that hit. He did an Antonio Brown on us
Maybe if he went legs first when making runs, like all the other QB's, he'd get injured less? Just my two cents, but If you play dangerously, you'll obviously get appropriately punished. He always did those boneheaded head-first dives to gain yards, when he had no reason to. He was as reckless as they come.
Was never the same after the Clowney hit. So unfortunate
It wasn't clowney. He pulled himself out of the game, he didn't even go into protocol. He got popped and got scared.
If you're an eagles fan you know there were problems way before the Seattle playoff game.
As a diehard Eagles fan I was waiting for Wentz to reach out to former NFL QBs for guidance specifically Kurt Warner, Payton Manning etc. Quarterbacks that made their careers by getting the ball out quickly due to their elite pre snap defense recognition.
Unfortunately that never happened. Carson always decided to stick with trainers that he knew that would not hold him accountable. It’s very unfortunate because even to this day I still believe he has talent but he has to work with someone that’s going to hold him accountable.
FYI I put Cam Newton in this same category as Wentz. Both quarterbacks unfortunately hold unto the football for too long.
It’s really sad to see his downfall. I started seriously watching the NFL during his run of form in his 2nd year with the Eagles, and even as a Patriots fan, I thought this guy was 100% going to win the MVP. Sadly, he just went downhill since and it goes to show you how brutal the NFL can be.
He didn't have a downfall. He is out of the NFL for.the 2023 season. It happens to players. Matt Ryan, Mitch Trubisky & others are dealing with the same. It happens every season--some players are out of the NFL. Just stick to the facts instead of, speculating about mental & medical conditions you can't prove he has or had. Carson Wentz is not playing football this season. He didn't have a Josh Gordon incident (violation of substance abuse policy). He didn't get arrested for murder or some other felony which = NFL down fall. Stop being so silly and dramatic. Content creators will have to find something better to discuss. Wentz bashing is no longer lucrative or interesting.
@@ctruth6185going from a top 2 mvp candidate on a superbowl winning team to out of the league in 4 years is the epitome of downfall, regardless of injuries and drama. What the actual fuck are u going on about ? And this is coming from an eagles fan. We all wanted the best for him. But there is a certain point in time when we all need to face reality.
@@bandito6678 *LMAO You're A Straight Moron... How Many Playoff Games Have Wentz Won? GTFOH With Staying With The Eagles... Hurts Is The REAL FUTURE & Here You Wentz Fangirls Still Running Your Dumb Mouths.*
Yep, the NFL is a meat grinder, even with the efforts it's made to make the game less dangerous. At least Wentz should have enough money to last for generations.
Wentz biggest issue was he couldn’t connect with teammates, Corey clement is a personal friend of mine, he said it was like he never been around black people before football
He's from North Dakota...lol
He hadn't probably except on the field
@@itoo3654 as a person who played college football being able to relate to your teammates in some other capacity besides football is important
@@martinjay50very true you can't develop true trust if you don't even feel comfortable to call someone up from time to time
Wentz had no desire to win he’s also a nerdy losing player he’s not a likeable person
Carson Wentz highly contributed to the eagles superbowl season, and it was their first ever Superbowl victory. For that he should be remembered in a good light in Philadelphia.
Loving the longer videos🙌🏻 keep up the good work bro. I also think it’s hilarious that you add more and more tape for each video lmao
Yooo let’s goooo!! I didn’t expect to see you here! Who is your favorite team?
Nahh
This man makes vids about books
Never thought he watched sports
woah hey movieflame! fancy seeing you here!
@@andrewilson-rw9zv die hard Eagles fan 🦅
@@MovieFlame classic W
it was an absolute MIRACLE that Howie Roseman was able to build that team into a Super Bowl Champion SO QUICKLY after Chip. honestly I thought it would take at least 10 years after Chip released all of their best players!
And then he did it again
Those Chip Kelly teams had a lot of talent.
It was coaching that won that super bowl how’re didn’t absolutely nothing
Wrong most of those players were molded by Doug and learned from Doug the culture and how to win all created by Doug
Howie has zero playoff wins without Doug
Bro what happened to Tom in the back 😭
He won’t let me leave
@@tubfrog Can you do a vid on how Drew Brees is the biggest anomaly of this century. Undersized qb, traded to a new team, let the city through Katrina, insane accuracy, career ending injuries, no arm power, refs, and Tom
@@PartyDudeNoob101 ive seriously considered it, but barry mccockiner has a pretty long video about him already so idk
@@tubfrog wbt Marcus Mariota?
He can only contain Tom for so long
It's definitely a mental thing. Imagine being on a mvp trajectory get a injury that alters your career then see the backup win the ultimate prize. that would crush anyone. It's like he had to win a SB every season or he was basically a failure in Philly
It's honestly depressing to see how quickly Carson fell.
He never took responsibility for his mistakes! When he came to the Colts i was so unbelievably disinterested and upset...
And he wanted to okay hero ball after he saw jt ball out I could easily argue JT would of had 2k yards if it wasn’t for Carson
He's never been the same since he got high/lowed in that game against the Rams and he got injured. To me, that was where it all came apart for his career...he's never been as good as he was that year.
To me he doesn't a a physical issue, he has a mental issue. There isn't many players in NFL history that can say they got injured and watched their back up win the SB (and SB MVP), and the ones that did were never the same after.
@@Ocean5ix I mean, eventuellt physical injuries turn into mental ones. Every time he’s been in fire he gets injured in a bad way. Pain. Rehab. More pain. Someone takes your thunder. So you change things, subconsciously if nothing else. You move differently, maybe you don’t trust your line or your playcaller as much. All of a sudden you’re not the player you were and that makes it worse.
@@Ocean5ix Yeah, true. Alex Smith and Drew Bledsoe come to mind in that scenario. Both got injured late in the season and had to sit by and watch someone else finish the job.
@@TheCountofToulouseSmith at least got his happy moment comeback especially after his hard fight back.
Things really changed for Bledsoe unfortunately once he got hurt
@@NWOWCW4Life1 Do you remember Kerry Collins? He 'was' a lights out QB until one game where a LB got a running, totally unblocked hit on him and broke his jaw. Apparently the recover was long and painful, what it was, he seemed to be HALF the QB he was. It was like night and day.
Then there are guys you should FEAR...the more you try to hurt them, the MORE they fight. Stafford comes to mind. That guy is a fierce QB.
I’m forever grateful for the run he had in Philly!!!✊🏾✊🏾
He's got his money, got his SuperBowl ring, got his time in the spotlight. As much as an Eagles fan I would love to see Wentz return to the field and revive his career. I hope he does the best for himself and young family. He's been hurt many times like you said and I think it's best he walks away from the sport.
*As A Eagles Fan I Don't Want To See That Ginger Ever In Philly Again And Hope His Bust Career Is Over... Don't Even Try To Deny He's Not A Bust When He Destroyed A Super Bowl Team For The Future & Won 0 YES 0 Playoff Games His Whole Career. TRASH!*
Injuries derailed him. you don't like it oh well.@@kuollut
@@kuollutHe won 0 playoff games but was the driving force behind the team making it to the playoffs in their Super Bowl year. Hate better.
@@sl0thman353 *Nick Foles Was The Whole Driving Force Behind The Playoffs & Super Bowl DeMentia Billy... Who Has A Statue In Philly & A Super Bowl MVP?... Case Closed Wentz Fangirl... Hate All You Want Phony "Eagles Fan" Little William.*
@@kuollut Bro go to therapy, I'm not even an Eagles fan lmao. Just someone who knows football well enough to know that Foles wouldn't have a statue if Wentz wasn't there to get the team to the playoffs in the first place.
Big Eagles fan, very sad to me. I appreciate that he was a very important part of the super bowl year. With him well... Love were we are at now! Go Birds!
Yeah dude, no one gives him any credit lmao. Like he stood in the pocket with a torn acl and threw a dine to win the game in st loius to give us home field advantage where we went on to win the super bowl.. people forget
@@HamztaZ very few, .. with time, people will appreciate what he was, a very good QB. That unfortunately wasn't able to handle his backup winning it all and the pressure for him to do it.
@HamztaZ And he set a record with that pass too. Most single season passing TDs by an Eagles QB.
Jim Plunkett had a remarkable comeback in his career. The NFL is a brutal game, even today. Wentz is probably done, but never say never.
Steve DeBerg (Chiefs), Steve Young, Jim Harbaugh (Colts) and others too.
As an Eagles fan he just wouldnt take criticism or listen to his coaches. He was too stubborn to admit he was figured out and had to adjust. He just denied it and played himself out of town.
Yup and when coaches or teammates would talk to him his come back is yea yea I know lol
Acts like he knows everything and can't take criticism or learn smh
There's a really good video out there by I think Brett Kollmann that shows the drastic changes in his playstyle and decision making by the injuries. Specifically his ACL tear and how it absolutely altered his scrambling and pocket positioning, and that high/low hit making him seem to be hesitant to take a hit or take a chance or try to force out a throw.
Injuries really do change a player.
Great players adjust!
Derek Carr is another example. I loved the guy but after his broken leg in 2016 he was never the same.
@@jonpoeticaltrue. Favre got destroyed many times in an era where QB's were protected way less and yet he kept hanging in the pocket to make tough throws until the absolute end.
You’re absolutely right. As a Philly fan that Jake Elliot FG to beat the Giants made the team feel unbeatable. The off-season acquisition of Blount was Huge too. Wentz really did earn MVP that season it’s a shame voters didn’t think the same. Wentz did throw a TD after tearing his ACL. Eagles drafted Foles and he was familiar with the Eagles older RPO playbook ripped from Oregon. Foles had a 27 TD 2 INT season in Philly, he threw an NFL record 7 TDs against the Raiders, and was named SB MVP in his Philly career alone so watch the hate lol. 2017 was a true miracle🦅
Newsflash Foles sucks too my gosh you people just stop
Jake Elliot is still coming in clutch.
37:20 “The franchise’s most embarrassing regular season loss ever.”
Jeff Saturday: Hold my beer
SKOL :)
I woulda have made of Jeff Saturday but he beat the raiders so i just didn’t say anything
@@tubfrogno Jeff Saturday didn’t do jack 💩 in that win against the Raiders. Matty Ice did.
As an eagles fan, it was so exciting that he was living up to the hype. I feel like a few games into 2017 we could watch something else at halftime because they were smoking teams. So many times wentz would be In a pile of defenders and somehow pop out of it. When he went down I literally wanted to cry. I was furious when we originally chose hurts over wentz, even tho every eagles fan pretends they weren’t. I still root for him and feel bad the way it’s gone down. I feel like he didn’t get a fair shake in Indy.
At least he made all that money for his family. Still grateful for his 2017.
@Richard Charles Frank Reich's career as an NFL head coach is far from over. See what he does with the Panthers before you declare him a bust. Reich did not have the power to choose his coaching staff at Indy. Every move had to be cleared with Ballard & Irsay.
He wasn’t that good if you ask me 🤷🏽♂️ I thought he was going to be a Pretty good Qb with a few very good seasons but nothing too special… I was wrong
At the point he got benched, it was honestly time because he was broken. I honestly am one who always loved the Hurts pick because I followed him at Alabama, watched him go thru the Tua adversity & bounce back from that, watched him get benched again at Alabama & then watched him go on a Potential Heisman run at Oklahoma, so I was wit it from the beginning. I honestly felt when we landed Hurts it was a blessing & that he honestly should've been a 1st Rounder. I have never seen a Heisman QB Candidate be a second round draft pick. Brilliant Pick on Howie's part. However, I didn't expect Hurts to come in and start. My hopes was for Hurts to just learn behind Wentz. I mean shit, we had to get a reliable backup. Foles was gone, McGown was a thousand years old, and I ain't even gonna speak the QB's name that we sent to the 49ers, because he was HOT BUNZ & couldn't backup a choir. In the end, Wentz just mentally broke down. I don't know if it was all the injuries or the Foles Statue, but he just basically forced Jalen Hurts into the job because he checked out on us. These are the facts.
Boo hoo. Poor wentz. Gtfoh
Lmao y’all are idiotic for wanting wentz to start over hurtz when wentz has been trash majority of his career… please don’t let that one year fool
Y’all
Ok, so I was watching the Denver Broncos Quarterback video (being a Raider fan I loved that video) and I loved the long style content. I was hoping you would make more and as soon as I thought that, you release this video!
Wentz' career was a mix of bad luck with injuries, bad management and some myths (or facts) about him that we'll only know when all the players get old and start spilling the beans. Both he and the Eagles were one of the most injured teams from 2017 to 2020, so even when Wentz was playing, the rest of the team was ravaged by injuries, hence why Josh McCown's WR1 was Greg Ward, because he was also Wentz' WR1 for most of that season and he still managed to throw for 4000 yards, the only QB in Eagles history.
The management sucked from 2018 to 2020. Howie Roseman was way over his head, overthinking the draft and trying to get the unpopular talent that would shock the world, instead he got some of the biggest busts of this last decade. Wentz never had a WR even close to the talent of Devonta Smith, let alone having Smith and AJ Brown. I'm not saying I would want him back though, just that the only season he had a team around him (that wasn't even close to how good the current roster is), he almost won an MVP.
And the "myths" are all the shady stuff surrounding his leadership. The media was constantly trying to undermine him by leaking "anonymous letters" saying he was a bad teammate, then Jim Irsay did what he did to him. What I find interesting is that his teammates always went out of their way to say they liked him, every single one of his instagram pics has guys he played with saying good things to and about him.
So yea, we'll never know the truth. One thing I can say is that "leadership" is something we fans can't see, it's something we have to trust the media and insiders. I say this because if you watch Wentz mic'd up he always seemed to be a great leader, motivating his teammates, celebrating but the media always said otherwise. With Hurts he says "I had a purpose before anyone had an opinion" and everybody does back flips screaming how he's a fantastic leader. I don't see it, but I BELIEVE it because it's what the media and his teammates says. Everything points towards Hurts being a fantastic leader and teammate, while with Wentz most things point towards him being a bad leader.
As a Mississippi State fan; it's impossible for me to not feel schadenfreude because of how much Eagles fans put down Dak and praised Wentz at the beginning of their career.
Both are terrible fan bases.
It's called a rivalry for a reason. The cowboys could have Pat Mahomes and I'd still be calling him trash. It's just how it goes
Dak is still trash. And I'm a Cowboy fan
@@shawnmanson1285that's a fact, and I used to be a huge Cowboys fan. Now I can't even stand the majority of their fanbase. But Philly fans in general are the worst, tied with Boston/NE fans of any sport. And I still love my Celtics, but the truth is the truth.
Wow ... I just re-lived every moment.
As a Die-Hard Eagles Fan ...
This was painful to watch.
I know as Philly Fans ...
We can be very hard on our Athletes.
But I'll ALWAYS Be Grateful to Carson Wentz, because without his amazing run we may not have won Superbowl 52 in 2017.
Should of brought up the crazy ass wins Nick Foles pulled at the end of the 2018 season for the eagles to make the playoffs
Wentz has pretty much become the Brandon Roy of the NFL. Both guys were poised to become elite, only for injuries to get in their way and flame them out.
Wentz’s psyche destroyed him more than injuries
Terrible comparison. Brandon Roy was a 3 time all star before his knees began to give him Trouble. Wentz is literally the football version of bill Walton. They both have red hair everything
@@Ballinbmac that’s generous to Carson and feels off in general. Walton missed his first two years with injuries, got healthy, was 2x all NBA, 1 time league MVP and 1x finals MVP before his legs gave out again nearly for good. He accomplished more with more dominance at his brief peak and then altered his game to a bench role winning several more titles and sixth man awards. If we’re sticking to Trail Blazers Sam Bowie might be a better fit.
@@ek9589 injuries can cause psych issues.
@@MrRyan-wu4jx Roy is the better comparison. Carson is a record holder.
Wentz is why I was so skeptical of Mahomes for so long.
As a Carson Wentz fan, it was probably all those injuries that caused him to just slow down over time
And him throwing into double coverage.
Bad decision making helped.
mental injuries maybe
Don’t blame injury, blame all the quit the man has inside… there is zero win and a ton of I don’t wanna in that loser. He screwed the eagles by never trying
must be real tough being the fan of a scrub
I had him as my fantasy QB the MVP candidate season . The Man was on Fire ! Damn shame 😂
The Eagles have a reputation for burning out QBs, that was the case with, Cunningham, McNabb & Vick who was a shell of himself after playing for the Eagles. All of that dog hate he got was hard on him, according to his wife. Wentz also got a lot of hate from Foles fans & the Philly sports media. All the fan negativity & bad media coverage added to all the pressure of expectation a season brings. It also undermined his leadership. Let's hope the Eagles don't wear Hurts down too.
Yo I had him Ertz Jeffery Blount Agholor and Ajayi that year for fantasy and jags D I was unstoppable
Honestly Wentz injuries really killed his career
I remember in that game thinking this style of play is not for him long term..we used him then dumped him..Thank You Carson I love you bro..I waited 50 to win a SB
@@jasondean538 Bro Foles won that Superbowl. Wentz's is garbage water
I was at that Rams vs. Eagles game where Wentz tore his ACL. The Eagles crowd was beyond shocked and felt it was over for us.
The added sound effect of bones breaking 💀 14:40
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One thing no one mentioned is that he wasn't all that great in the pocket. Most of his production was based on play action or scramble broken plays. He was never the greatest decision maker and once those injuries settled in his ability to play in the pocket was crucial and never really became great. I do believe he still capable of playing average ball but I think his personality plays a big part in that as well
Yes. And average isnt enough in the NFL. Except for coaches unable to judge QB talent. Average QBs make careers out of it. But thats another long long story.
It reminds me that Foles is a spiritually grounded and good guy. I'm sad for Carson. I was sad for Tom. But, I'm happy Nick had his moments of shine.
Nick Foles credits Wentz for bringing him back to God that season. Wentz was a huge part of making that team what it was in the locker room. I'm not really sure what happened after they got their ring tho..
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I used to live down the street from Carson in Fargo. Only time you saw him was on his moped to and from class. Constant party’s around him and he stayed so focused. Breaks my heart he didn’t pan out
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He had a lot of bad injuries. This didn't go well with a stubborn streak that kept him from adapting to his new physical reality.
Care to list all of the "bad injuries" Carson Wentz had? I dare you. List how many seasons he missed with all the "bad injuries."
Nick Foles was honored with a statue at the stadium for WINNING 1ST EAGLES SUPERBOWL
so let's not pretend Carson was not killing it
But Foles already had been in the hall of fame from his original eagles rookie year
Got caught up in that Chip Kelly blitzkrieg offense
Got bounced around landed back on the eagles to sit humbly on the bench until Carson got hurt
Foles became "BIG DICK NICK"
hall of famer got traded away for Carson who only really proven he will get hurt for sure
NICK FOLES is a Philly legend
Not Carson
Wheelchair Wentz is made of glass, physically and mentally.
I was in Chicago and staying in the hotel that all the players were the night of the draft. Before heading over to watch the draft across the street, we witnessed a young boy, probably 6 or 7 nervously walk up and approach Carson Wentz to ask for an autograph on his football. Wentz looked down at him, didn't say a word and then looked back up to who I assume was his agent. The guy then just shooed the poor kid away. Never liked the guy after that. Sounds like that behavior continued throughout his career.
If Wentz still had the desire and drive to play, I cannot imagine he is done. He might have to spend a year or two in the CFL or XFL, but it could really benefit him and help him get back to at least close to what he was.
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As a die hard eagles fan I was all behind Wentz but since he's left I noticed obviously he has personality issues. It showed by his communication with teammates to his lack of leadership in areas. He definitely had the talent but he's hard headed too so it is what it is
I love your long form vids, well done, good jokes, and some great analysis. Keep up the good stuff.
I think another issue with his career was the teams injuries. From 2017 to 2020 the Eagles had injuries at every single position group and in 2020 it finally hit the O-Line cause any QB back there to be a shell of themself.
Every team is hit by injuries. But how about that: The talent around him made him look special? Heck, even his back up was better than him that SB year.
@@FoxxyBrown1111 The Super Bowl team wasn’t as talented as other super bowl teams. As of now there’s like 3 potential Hall of Famers on that team. Kelce, Lane, and Fletch. Even that year the Eagles won the SB they lost 4 Captains in Wentz, Jason Peters, Jordan Hicks, and Darren Sproles. All fundamental pieces to the team throughout the decade. Idk how many teams in league history can lose their starting QB, MLB, LT, and go on to win the super bowl. Wentz was different than Foles. Both did great things in their own way. Foles is and has been great under pressure throughout his entire football career. Wentz always plays superman ball and that year it made him look like a poor man’s current Mahomes. All i have to say to people is to go back and watch each of those games. Wentz did things that I hadn’t seen guys do
@@jordanburden7018 Good post. Otoh, I was never sold on Wentz. Foles has a much better delivery, stronger arm, pocket passer, showed efiiciency on talented teams. A recipe for winning QBs. Actually its a crime Foles got to all the worst teams he ever could go to. That gave him the label of a back up QB without practise reps. He deserves to be a folk hero in Philly forever. Wentz otoh is just another 1st rounder given tons of chances to show off (his shortcomings). The real tragedy is Foles, a humble guy, not Wentz laughing his axx off having fooled everybody.
@@FoxxyBrown1111Nick Foles is not an NFL starter, even as an Eagles fan he isn’t that guy. Whenever he’s been a full-time starter outside of that fluke 2013 season, he’s been ass. He’s a spot starter, that’s it.
Player downfalls due to injuries is always super saddening
Don't feel too bad for Wentz; he raked in more than $100,000,000 during his relatively brief career.
My dad always called it, even when I still was a big Wentz supporter, the fact they built a shrine to Foles was proof Carson was just not a well liked guy in the locker room.
He signed a 4 year $128M contract, $66M at signing, $107M guaranteed. I don’t think Carson is suffering too much.
He hasn't reached rock bottom. He's been paid 120 million so far and he has his family. He was never the same after his serious knee injury. He helped get Philly into the Super Bowl.
Tom needs more tape.
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As an Eagles fan, seeing Wentz slowly get worse and worse every year was terrible to watch. He was such a promising player, and the city loved him. It's hard to say what really went wrong with his career, but it still sucked to see.
That Rams game. That eight there man
God these years after our SB win have been a rollercoaster of emotions. Great video man
OK, so tub frog is the real MVP
Watched the Video all the way to the end, 40 minutes, really good, Great work tubfrog, well done, you had me along for the ride 👍
Imagine telling someone in the middle of the 2017 season that Nick Foles would have a better career than Carson Wentz.
Eagles had top Wrs & OL that's why Wentz had so much Success. Eagles love to Have big Physical Wrs, TE's & OL & a Defense. Anyone could have ran that team. Mac Jones would have been good on that team.
His problem he wanted to do it his way. He became big headed and he wouldn't listen to any of his quarterback coaches. Hurts is completely different than Wentz. Hurts work with his coaches. A young quarterback have to work with their coaches to improve.
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Carson's injuries & insecurities were his downfall in Philly after 2017. He clashed with coaches after Reich left, players called him out on his play on the field (HE SHOULD HAVE DEALT WITH THIS SINCE HE WAS THE LEADER OF THE TEAM) then he developed "the Brett Favre/Mark Sanchez Syndrome". He caught feeling when Hurts was drafted but did'nt want to help him which ULTIMATELY led him being ran out of Philly.
Add Flacco
9:55 is kind of a weird stat line. It's just 3rd down stats. Sure, 3rd down is important, but idk how that metric should be considered.
And pause at 12:25. Look there. They were 50% on 3rd down, but every other metric was mediocre at best .
he has an ego problem ... you would never think.. would never talk to media in off season cant take criticism and couldnt change style after injury
another day another tubfrog banger. another day another piece of tape on tom. really enjoy the branch out to longer videos
All I can say as an Eagles fan to that man is thank you for that amazing 2017 season I believe if he didn't get hurt he would still be an Eagle and would be top tier QB but he just couldn't stah healthy after he hurt his knee, wouldn't mind him back in philly as back up.#FLYEAGLESFLY #FOREVERANEAGLE
As a Vikings fan that likes your videos thank you for not wanting to talk about the Vikings 2017 NFC title game embarrassment more than you needed too lol
I really feel bad for Wentz man. Confidence was shot during the Super Bowl win, injuries, probably one of the most unluckiest players of all time
The unluckiest players are those whose careers ended in camp. With injuries. Before ever stepping on a field for a regular season game... Unlucky are those ignored in the draft or drafted low. For every Romo, Brady, Warner, Kitna, Purdy, Delhomme, etc, there are 1.000 "camp arms" never given a chance to play. That my dear is unlucky... Wentz has his axx shoved up with millions of unworthy dollars. One of the most lucky NFL players ever.
The guy made a lot of money for doing very little
Does not seem like a bad guy off the field. But as an NFL quarterback, he was was terrible: lack of leadership, lack of playing talent, and brittle bones that made him susceptible to an excessive number of injuries.
Dak Prescott suffered a worse injury and still came back. Yeah cowboys can’t get past the second round or such but Dak still came back with a vengeance.
Meanwhile Carson got worse and worse.
That is true
But dak never played at an mvp level .. he played well in the regular season but never had a season like wentz did before his injury..
@@BillyBob-wq9fl yeah ok, thats not the point?
What you are implying is Wentz was better right? AND he endured a lesser injury (still hard but lesser compared to a broken leg) so...
He should have been able to at least play at Prescotts level
@@BillyBob-wq9fl Actually Prescott (2016) had better efficiency numbers than Wentz (2017). And Foles, the back up with zero practise reps prior the injury of Wentz, had better stats in 2017, culminating in this epic SB performance.
Wentz was overrated all the way. The signs were there from the beginning.
Rams just signed Carson Wentz a few weeks ago!!! still not quite over yet!!!!
Kind of makes you wonder how many college players are overlooked. You just never know how someone's career will go.
Coming back to this vid now that he just got signed by the Rams.
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No way that was the Colts most embarrassing loss ever. See 1981, 1982.....2022 etc
was never the same after the acl tear... probably did something to him mentally too
This doesn't surprise me, Dude was a late bloomer who wasnt very efficient despite playing relatively weak competition
Late bloomer? He was 24-25 years old during his sophomore/Super Bowl season.
Great video Tim Pool! I love that you’re covering sports too!
Wentz did well in football. Just couldn't get past himself. He made his money, he was exciting to watch and nerve wrecking to watch at the same time. Good luck to thta guy. When he was on he was on. When he was awful, well..
Awesome video! You earned my sub.
You need to do a video on this years rams. I didn’t watch them much and I’m wondering what the heck happened!
I did not doubt Foles in 2017. Wentz was playing well because he was on a great team, so Foles could do the same. Additionally, Foles threw 27 touchdowns and 2 interceptions in 2013.
I feel bad for Wentz he was one of my favorite players as soon as he was drafted he played so good to keep getting unlucky then he lost his confidence in the process and it was just down from there and the colts year was pretty good besides the last game really and the colts gave up on him the media has been against him since 2019 aswell
The colts should have not let him go!
He did get unlucky at times, but I’m sorry when you have a QBR of 5.5( scale of 1-100) playing the worst team in the league as 17 point favorites in a “win and you’re in” situation, you deserve a ton of criticism.
Great video dude. I enjoy the long format
Imagine playing at an MVP level, winning the Super Bowl but there is a statue outside your work of your back up 😂
Mmmmhhh... Let me think... Oh, I have it: Foles won those games with the Eagles. Won an actual MVP award. Ofc the wannabe doesnt get the statute. Even in the new woke world where 2+2=5.
Carson didn't win anything. He was given a mercy Super Bowl ring.
As an Eagles fan, I always root for Carson Wentz no matter where he goes. I feel like he just got shafted his whole career, and I feel like I’d be frustrated too if my lifelong dream played out like that. I wish him the best, and hope he finds something of that 2017 form again…just not against my Eagles.
NFL is a big boys game. this is a what have you done for me, lately? League.Wentz has been paid handsomely with multiple multiple millions and many chances to be a starter for a major franchise. No-one shafted him, he just couldn't mentally and physically cut it. I will never forget ,as long as I live sports-wise ,watching wentz literally quit on his team. I'm making a judgment, and if I'm wrong, may God forgive me, but he claimed that he got hit in the head and couldn't go on, in the game versus the Seahawks. I've never forgotten that. I said at the time:wow something is mentally wrong with this man, he just QUIT. The moment was too big for him. he just didn't have what it took after they won that Super Bowl .
@@itoo3654I don’t think it was that he quit. I think he genuinely was given a concussion, and they took him out. If we can make an argument that Montez Burfict cause AB to spiral out, then Clowney could be the reason that Wentz had the 2020 and beyond type of career that he had.
@@Shinde425 VONTAE Burfict didn't cause AB to spiral, that's was something internal, within HIM. I saw Carson quit BEFORE my VERY eyes. It's psychological with him. He FINALLY had a chance to take his team THROUGH the playoffs and he just COULDN'T-- probably envisioned the inevitable comparison with Foles, if he failed. The camera zoomed in VERY close, and I saw his eyes. He got the equivalent of the yips, and used the EXCUSE of that light tap by a semi washed Marshawn ,to bow out of game, gracefully. He really needs to see a sports psychologist.
@@itoo3654 im sorry how are you blaming him when he literally got spun and landed on the back of his head by one of the most dominants college DE of all time no shit he wouldnt be able to play and how are you blaming him when his top receivers was greg ward jr and travis fulgum in 2020 im sorry the eagles couldnt build around Carson Wentz once his career started a downfall the eagles finally started making some good draft picks like devonta smith and trading for Aj Brown. Bro the eagles passed on justin jefferson and Dk Metcalf just to get some bums in exchange who did nothing for the franchise. if Wentz still had a lil faith from the eagles and waited for some actual receivers to come into the roster no shit his career would've been a different path then rn you cant blame a player for quitting when their organization doesnt build around you and pass up on all pro weapons for 3 straight years and no help...
Career Earnings: $128,660,396. Truly tragic.
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Knee surgery, back injury, concussions, foot surgery, fractured finger in throwing hand…….😩
Jim McMahon? He fought those circumstance in a 15 year career... Injuries are no excuses for nowadyas pampered QBs. Divas make it or dont. Wentz didnt. Simple as that.
He was softer than angel food cake