I'm running dual SB-3000's in my small living room home theater and they're awesome! My sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the back wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.
I am about to get a pb1000 since they say two is better than one. However, since you had both should I just cancel the pb1000 order and go for the sb3000?
I have the sb3000 for my two channel music system. With the app, I had little trouble dialing it in, and getting it to blend nicely with my tower speakers. My challenge with REL, is they really like to have runs off of the speaker wires to help with “blending.” Positioning wise, that would not work for me. I use SVS wireless. I could do the same with REL, but that seems to cut against their best practice.
Nice review thank you. You're right. Base on your review, I've bought the sb3000 and it's a monster bass blaster!!!!! I owned the sb1000 before and the sb3000 by far out performs it obviously. This thing is shaking the entire building with thunderous beefy bass and for the respect of neighbours, I have to adjust this demon. My room size is almost like yours and the sb3000 is an over-kill. The sb3000 will debut at my girlfriend birthday mini party pretty soon.
Bro. I would say go for it. Do not worry the sb3000 output is adjustable via the app. For me, I'm not an audiophile so I'm happy with the sb3000 plus I do not have enough space. I can feel the pressure for it as far away in my bathroom with all the dishes, microwave, washer rattling. My flat (lounge/kitchen bathroom and bedroom) is overpowered by the sb3000 and I can feel the walls shaking when I'm outside on the staircase. OMG my neighbours!! They could report if I dare crank it up to full volume via the av receiver. Movie is like earthquake!! I sometimes reduce volume when a movie scene is too explosive, I just can't stand the thunderous impact from this thing. Only few hard to please audiophiles would condemn this thing. One sb3000 is more than enough for me. With that said, you could even reduce the bass to zero if you want. My description above is based on how I've programmed it to be. Note, it is small but not that small though plus it's a bit heavy.
I have a 15". sealed sub with a 1000w (peak). plate amp. The sub was totally amazing for 2005. Now? the Sb3000 outperforms it in every way, and in a 25% smaller box. I will NEVER go back to a ported sub.
@@aquabomber you don’t have the same acoustic space I do. The sealed is better for music. The ported for movies. As of this post, I now have 2 sealed and two ported subs.
@@scottlowell493 I doubt. I bought sb 4000 and its was disapointing. It lacked power and midbass details and punch like my old rel. I returned it after a week because I wasnt enjoying midbass it had.
@@scottlowell493 What you doubt? You had it or not? There is not a measurement testing speed of subwoofer. On paper klipsch plays the same as svs but doesn't get that low but its not truth. Maybe your rel was some budget one? Also look at rel ht series on UA-cam it outperforms svs in midbass although it doesn't get that low. And svs value wise it kinda bad there are many companies better for the same price.
How does it sound at lower volumes. I want clear bass at low to mid volumes. My modestly powered Bic America F12 at 1/3 volume is ready to shatter the windows in my living room.
Buy a pair of these... I don't know how low it goes, but I know it shakes the house, without being audible. They get so low, with no audio being heard, that they have actually scared me a few times, and I am being very serious. I thought something was wrong with the house, not realizing it was the subs.
Really excellent review. I have a REL Stentor in my Naim audio setup and another REL Stentor in my HT. Never listened to an SVS, but this is very interesting. Thanks
I have a Naim setup as well Robert! Very curious of your findings. What amp/speakers do you pair your sub with? Do you need special cables for the sub?
I had a sb3000. Its a good sub for the money. Im replacing it with a Rel S/510. Also have a T7x using high pass with center channel and a svs 3000 micro in the back of the room. Looking forwatd to seeing how the 510 compares to the 3000 for music snd movies. B&w speakers.
I have rel sx212 and before that a few other rel model. Great for music but not that great for movies. What do you think of JL subs? Because I'm getting them in a couple of months. Thanks
@@YonsuKu Both are amazing. I had the SB3000 and returned it for the SB4000 because I wanted the added features of the SB4000. Both have a similar sound with the SB4000 having more output of course. For that size room the SB3000 will do just fine. Enjoy.
SVS is having quality control issues as of late. I've purchased 6 subs lately. 2 Sb 2000's and 4 sb 3000's. 1, sb 2000 arrived doa right out of the box. I then upgraded to 4 sb 3000's, and within the first month of light use 3 of the 4 sb 3000's went down. Unbelievable, but it's TRUE. I had 2 sb 2000's for 3 years and never had any issues whatsoever with their performances and or longevity.
i have the 16 ultra and find it great for music.even though its not designed for music as much its great to feel it going low when playing music with huge base
I have a 100sq/ft room...and play music all day but Hip-Hop, Deep House are my most played genre, although the 60s on up to about 00-early '10s soft rock/pop music. As well, I live in a community, so my question directly, is it possible to dial down the bass, as you said, full control, to where I can play music at a low level, and not every track be THROWN back with Bass, rather it be a Pony car just teasing the exhaust at a red light? I'm afraid the RELs might not give me joy... I just come off POLK HTS 12's, and at low levels didn't deliver the tone I was desiring without having to turn up the gain, and adjusting the EQ db.
How to set it up? Im just new to picking setups or new to home theater setups. What do you recommend to have as a set with this sb 3000? Whats else shoul i have to build with it and how to set it up all.
Love your videos Jay and this video looked great. We needed this comparison in a big way. Thank you and thumbs up! That said I think you really missed the opportunity to talk about the virtues of multisub here. Would 2 SVS SB2000s have distorted before a single 3000?
i'm tired of the rel T7X's i sold...they're to tight and no bass extension...rel tech told me to get the Rel S510 ? or is JL E Series better? used for both music and movies...in a 15 x 20 room
That really depends on budget, room size, speaker pairing and use case. They have first class customer service so if you ask then they will give you the best information based on your speakers and room. They also have a free sub selector you can use as a guidline where you can input your speakers, use and room size :). I have the T9i and I absolutely love it. When I upgrade my speakers and amp I will probably move to their s812.
@Alan Smithee that's a cool setup. I'm not an expert when it comes to sub selection. Just go to REL.com and go from there. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about it. I just have REL products and love them.
Thank you for the video. I’ve owned multiple subs throughout the years and SVS is the hands down champ. With the new 2000 pro and 3000 series there’s no one even close. Svs wins with the combination of performance , price and technology. Movies, music, UA-cam videos etc. SVS wins. The SB 3000 destroys the REL 1205 (I’ve owned both).
@@bradbortner2601 obviously it’s all subjective and a lot depends on room size/placement/etc. I feel it plays deeper, louder , sounds great with music and gives “impact” with movies. The REL is a good sub, I just prefer the svs
Is this sub going to be a permeant addition to your set up? I am using a SB-3000 in a very large lofted living room and it holds up surprisingly well. It is undoubtably undersized but blends it well to a modern living room.
Scott Lowell You definitely could, look at car audio. I also get down to 16hz in my bedroom and I know it's 16hz as there's no frequency doubling just pressure (with windows and radiators shaking). It's more about your room shape and treatment.
Jay, please test a B&W sub with the 705 Signature speakers in the background. Like a DB4S sub with the B&W app integration. Would be interesting to see your opinion of the app with the integration and listening position calibration it provides. In the app you chose which model of B&W speakers you use it with..
Just got two of these for my living room and it does the job very well. My space is open so a single 10" was not cutting it even though it could do 1250 W RMS. Also, for people like me who listen to electronic primarily having a sub that can reach 20 Hz flat is a must for music.
What up with the tekton subs ?? Not one review video on tekton subs on UA-cam. Got my eyes on the 2-10 sub they got for 600$ because I have tekton speakers. Anyways would be awesome if you can do a video or two on there subs , thanks
I really enjoy your videos and commentary. I almost bought the sb 3000, but got a pc 2000 pro instead for my living room setup, which i use for movies and music. I do have an sb 1000 in my 2 channel setup, and its really good.
Jay, I'm running a 2 channel system for my music and home theatre...50/50. Speakers are Magnepan 1.7i. Would this sub integrate well/keep up with the Maggies? Would the SB2000 pair be a better match? Or should I go REL T9i or Rythmik F12se?
I purchased one of these after seeing so much praise and id agree it can pump out some volume and hit some deep notes but… that’s all I found it did well. The more I listened the more I hated it. On paper it should have been everything I wanted. Great specs, build quality and the app interface (which I really liked). I tried really hard to like this sub but it was just not for me.
Hi Jay, Did you connect/integrate the subwoofer through high level inputs or using the sub-out/lfe channel? In the video, the RCA cable in not plugged into the LFE channel input on the SVS. Also did you crossover the subs using the app or inside the avr/amp dsp? Planning to get dual subs for HT but am also into music - wondering which is the better way to connect (with the Yamaha RX1080 + PSB X2T tower speakers) Thanks!
Hey Jay, New subscriber here. I just ordered the KLH model 5 due to your review/recommendation. Thinking about getting the SVS SB3000 for my music 2 channel listening. Would you recommend that combo and if so how would you recommend setting up the crossover, etc? Thanks for your great content!
Some years back, Steve Guttenberg was speaking very favourably of a certain Dr. Hsu subwoofer. As I recall, he liked its price to performance ratio and ease of integration for two-channel listening. I myself have not made a foray into the subwoofer realms, but Hsu subs definitely have their fans!
I think they are only for HT. I can't see how a sub could improve sound to high end speakers as they already give proper clean be bass. Too much bass is not the way to go for music.
It's not a question of more bass, rather it's "better distribution of bass". I have high-end speakers, but when I added dual SB-3000's the bass engulfed the entire listening area. When listening to "Money For Nothing" by Dire Straits, I could actually feel the bass in the pit of my stomach, although my test instruments indicated only a 3dB gain in volume. Absolutely amazing!!!
There is no doubt the SB3000 is a great value and better than the Rel HT/1205 at $300 less. However, as this is my final go around I am going to buy two Rel HT/1508 Predator's for an additional $800 each. 15" with superior speed and punch. Stacking the two I should get high teens in hz and they will be much better for music than a more expensive SVS sub. What do you think?
Would you consider trying two SB3000 first, and see if that actually works for you? They have an in-house trial of 45 days, and pay return shipping. I’ve been really happy with my SVS sb3000, but have not compared it to the REL’s in my room
@@bradbortner2601 Too much trouble since I know the Rel is better for music. That is most important for me. Also the other reviews I have seen the Predator is just faster for gun shots and other violent sounds I enjoy! Lol This should be my last go around on this upcoming system. I am not going to compromise. Great comment though!
Wish you'd do more give theater product reviews e.g. multi channel amps, subs, AVR's and AV Processors. You'd probably see a huge bump in subscribers. Just saying bruh....
There is a scientific reason why this happens. 1. One needs to understand the differences between sealed and vented subs. 2. On vented subs one needs to understand the differences of tuning and alignments. Once you learn that you will understand how tuning affects bottom end and the tradeoff of output and its relation with displacement of the woofer and which frequencies. Which tuning you use can depend on what type of music you want to use it on and the tradeoff you select. Both of the prior 2 topics will explain the differences between subs at low output. At higher output, one needs to be able to dig into the mechanical performance of different drivers. Quality drivers perform better and cost more. 3. Integration requires proper phase positioning and also the bass alignment of the main speakers. 4. The low pass crossover will depend on the low end performance of the main speakers in the room. Sometimes a Linkwitz Riley aligment is better than a Butterworth or Bessel function. It depends on many factors but without a microphone and the ability to configure the bass alignment then a lot of guesswork is required. The low pass slope 12 dB, 24 dB, 48 dB also plays into the room and main speaker performance. Ideally a user configurable app is best. as was provided however some more EQ and Filter tuning is also required. The ideal sub is not absolute as a lot depends on one's own circumstances and setup and an understanding of what the main system is doing. You can begin the journey of sub integration by purchasing something like a MiniDSP box, a good mic from same company and downloading REW ( Free and fully functional) and start learning how to use it and testing and listening. In the end, always remember, you cannot beat physics and nature. Low frequencies require you displace a lot of air volume. Air volume is the piston diameter multiplied by the displacement of the woofer. In vented systems, the port takes over as the piston diameter at some point. Small ports = small piston. and this requires larger displacement of air in port. The greater the travel of the woofer, the harder it is to maintain low distortion. DSP and high power amps trade off surface area for displacement( power required). Servo control also make the displacement lower distortion as active feedback is used to control displacement power to make it follow the signal better.
Oh yeah, even on the simple sealed sub, you also need to understand what happens with the alignment of tuning of the sealed box ant the lower limits and how this relates to distortion , phase and power handling. Power handling can be displacement limited or thermally limited. Try a DIY good sub, get a good driver, get the components and play with them and everything and how commercial subs work will become clear. Then try a Benchmark AHB2 on same setup and realize that some sub amps have trouble handling low end not shown in the power specs.
To keep it even simpler for people - For movie fans a good ported sub will be better as it will go down to a lower frequency 🎬 For music fans a good sealed sub will be better as slightly less distortion and tighter bass than a ported sub 🎶 Conclusion: A good ported sub will get down to around 15-10hz or even slightly lower. Enabling you to feel the very low frequency effects in movie's like The Edge Of Tomorrow etc. Lot's of action, Sci-fi, horror etc movies can have low frequencys under 20hz. A good sealed sub will will have slightly less distortion and get down to around 20-30hz. Has no ports so the bass will be tighter than a ported sub. Plus It doesn't need to get any lower as most music doesn't go lower than 40hz (apart from some niche orchestra and pipe organ music)
@@C--A That is a generalized statement that has no science behind it. That it might be true in certain circumstances does not make it correct. Sealed subs always exhibit rising displacement below their resonant frequency which is typically a higher level than what a vented sub does. However, a sealed sub rolls off slower than a vented sub would. This allows a higher level of very low frequencies. The transient response is also better than vented subs are. Vented subs typically would be flat to a lower point than a sealed sub. As long as you don't want or need the lower frequencies that is ok. Now vented subs can be tuned for different "alignments" that would allow different resonant frequencies and transient response and also "displacement" of the driver at the same frequencies. This is the tradeoff companies like REL and SVS and all competent designers all know about. That is why there are different models in a brand even with the same woofer. They can achieve different performances for different markets. Saying one sub is better than another is not correct, nor is a generalization of what might be best or even one "brand" for that matter. Start doing some learning and get a little more information about this. One starting point is to google "Thiele and Small". I followed them from the 70s to understand a lot of how low frequency design is done. Oh, and these guys were researchers in universities in the 70s. It's all science. REL uses their work But Thiele started the ball rolling. It helps if you know math at the university level.
and remember folks, both SVS and REL have a generous in home trial, with free shipping back in case you don't like it. I personally am a fan of Rythmik over RELs+High level inputs. I have compared both, in home last year and preferred the warmer/has more weight Rythmik (L12s) to REL (t5i) slightly clinical tone.
@@Totalplonker I skipped it due to the “better sound quality” folks mentioned in the ti series vs ht, and that was my primary goal in my 9x14 room. I know my comparison may not make sense if purely looking at it from a driver size perspective and/or cost perspective.
If ordering directly from SVS, do they offer free shipping on returns if I don't like it? Also is returning the sub a simple process? I hope I don't have to take it to UPS just to return it. Wonder if they can pick up directly from my home.
i told myself after i got two bookshelves....no you cant get a sub dont get a sub you're in a condo dont do it....days later i had two PB-1000's on their way. they're far more juice than I need but the sickening thing now is that i somehow want to upgrade cause i like the products so much. two SB3k's have been at the tip of the fingers for a while now. might sell off the pb's and get the sb3k's haha. I also bought wine for all my neighbors after i got my subs. hopefully a top up every now and then will keep me in good standing for a while. goodluck
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Highlight of this review was the Sushi drop homie....LOL, we need more sushi drops like this.
Love you Jay! The video you made about the Samsung sound bar was amazing Sir!!!!
I'm running dual SB-3000's in my small living room home theater and they're awesome! My sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the back wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.
If you live in an apartment, and want to meet your neighbors, buy this.
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Or meet the landlord/cops 😁
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Laughing my bloody ass off! Long story short pop
I have two SB-3000s in my master bedroom. They rock hard and sound great!
Jesus Christ man. Are you okay? 😂
@@vigneshkarthikeyan8174 😂
I’m curious to see what is in your main ht room.
I urgraded from PB-1000 to SB-3000 and very glad I did.
I am about to get a pb1000 since they say two is better than one. However, since you had both should I just cancel the pb1000 order and go for the sb3000?
@@bullpup33 You might like the 1000. You can trade up but keep the original packaging.
I have the sb3000 for my two channel music system. With the app, I had little trouble dialing it in, and getting it to blend nicely with my tower speakers. My challenge with REL, is they really like to have runs off of the speaker wires to help with “blending.” Positioning wise, that would not work for me. I use SVS wireless. I could do the same with REL, but that seems to cut against their best practice.
Nice review thank you. You're right. Base on your review, I've bought the sb3000 and it's a monster bass blaster!!!!! I owned the sb1000 before and the sb3000 by far out performs it obviously. This thing is shaking the entire building with thunderous beefy bass and for the respect of neighbours, I have to adjust this demon. My room size is almost like yours and the sb3000 is an over-kill. The sb3000 will debut at my girlfriend birthday mini party pretty soon.
i'm about to buy it. i live in an apartment. living/dining room area.... 13x25.
what do you think?
Bro. I would say go for it. Do not worry the sb3000 output is adjustable via the app. For me, I'm not an audiophile so I'm happy with the sb3000 plus I do not have enough space. I can feel the pressure for it as far away in my bathroom with all the dishes, microwave, washer rattling. My flat (lounge/kitchen bathroom and bedroom) is overpowered by the sb3000 and I can feel the walls shaking when I'm outside on the staircase. OMG my neighbours!! They could report if I dare crank it up to full volume via the av receiver. Movie is like earthquake!! I sometimes reduce volume when a movie scene is too explosive, I just can't stand the thunderous impact from this thing. Only few hard to please audiophiles would condemn this thing. One sb3000 is more than enough for me.
With that said, you could even reduce the bass to zero if you want. My description above is based on how I've programmed it to be. Note, it is small but not that small though plus it's a bit heavy.
I've dual sb3000, the key to great movie sound, I think they're the sweet spot in the svs sub range.
Bought mine a few weeks ago. Its a beast. Still planning on adding another one.
I have a 15". sealed sub with a 1000w (peak). plate amp. The sub was totally amazing for 2005. Now? the Sb3000 outperforms it in every way, and in a 25% smaller box. I will NEVER go back to a ported sub.
I have both the sb3000 and the pb3000, the pb3000 is louder but not boomy. I bn like the pb more.
@@aquabomber you don’t have the same acoustic space I do. The sealed is better for music. The ported for movies.
As of this post, I now have 2 sealed and two ported subs.
@@scottlowell493 I doubt. I bought sb 4000 and its was disapointing. It lacked power and midbass details and punch like my old rel. I returned it after a week because I wasnt enjoying midbass it had.
@@wadimek116 i doubt. Every measurement and review says you are lying. They contradict you in every possible way.
@@scottlowell493 What you doubt? You had it or not? There is not a measurement testing speed of subwoofer. On paper klipsch plays the same as svs but doesn't get that low but its not truth. Maybe your rel was some budget one? Also look at rel ht series on UA-cam it outperforms svs in midbass although it doesn't get that low. And svs value wise it kinda bad there are many companies better for the same price.
Best rel v svs micro review I've seen..and I've been searching for a while. Great video
How does it sound at lower volumes. I want clear bass at low to mid volumes. My modestly powered Bic America F12 at 1/3 volume is ready to shatter the windows in my living room.
Buy a pair of these... I don't know how low it goes, but I know it shakes the house, without being audible. They get so low, with no audio being heard, that they have actually scared me a few times, and I am being very serious. I thought something was wrong with the house, not realizing it was the subs.
Thank you Jay, this is the video I needed to see, I was selling my SVS SB3000's and going with REL... Nah, the SVS are staying.
The studio upgrades are really working well!
it has only begun !
Really excellent review. I have a REL Stentor in my Naim audio setup and another REL Stentor in my HT. Never listened to an SVS, but this is very interesting. Thanks
I have a Naim setup as well Robert! Very curious of your findings. What amp/speakers do you pair your sub with? Do you need special cables for the sub?
I had a sb3000. Its a good sub for the money. Im replacing it with a Rel S/510.
Also have a T7x using high pass with center channel and a svs 3000 micro in the back of the room. Looking forwatd to seeing how the 510 compares to the 3000 for music snd movies. B&w speakers.
So which one is better? I'm thinking of buying dual sub 3000
The usb port behind, can it connect directly to pc instead of wireless adapter?
Rythmic Direct servo?
I don't need a review. I have one and it's an extremely great sub. In my personal experience, a lot better than any svs I've tried.
I think SVS is really overrated for music. Its a home theatre king. Rel and Rhythmic kill in the music space.
Hey men you have awesome quality reviews keep up the super nice work
“So good you’ll drop your sushi 🍱” 😂😂
I have rel sx212 and before that a few other rel model. Great for music but not that great for movies. What do you think of JL subs? Because I'm getting them in a couple of months. Thanks
The SB4000 is even better!!! Been living with it for over a year and it is great for music and movies.
Would you recommend the SB4000 or 3000 for a room about 30m^2 big? Budget is a concern since the 4000 is significantly more expensive
@@YonsuKu Both are amazing. I had the SB3000 and returned it for the SB4000 because I wanted the added features of the SB4000. Both have a similar sound with the SB4000 having more output of course. For that size room the SB3000 will do just fine. Enjoy.
A sub to make sushi drop?! That's a must-buy! Great vid!
SVS is having quality control issues as of late. I've purchased 6 subs lately. 2 Sb 2000's and 4 sb 3000's. 1, sb 2000 arrived doa right out of the box. I then upgraded to 4 sb 3000's, and within the first month of light use 3 of the 4 sb 3000's went down. Unbelievable, but it's TRUE. I had 2 sb 2000's for 3 years and never had any issues whatsoever with their performances and or longevity.
I recently had a SB-3000 fail. Fortunately, SVS sent me a replacement and so far so good...
Hey Jay I have the pb3000 and love it but I do find myself closing the port plugs when I listen too music and without for movies. Thanks
Hope you get the new Kef sub for review. Looks interesting.
i have the 16 ultra and find it great for music.even though its not designed for music as much its great to feel it going low when playing music with huge base
16 is a monster.
Well ok with all you said, but finally : which one sound really good for MUSIC and not for slam a door,any sugestions ?
I have a 100sq/ft room...and play music all day but Hip-Hop, Deep House are my most played genre, although the 60s on up to about 00-early '10s soft rock/pop music.
As well, I live in a community, so my question directly, is it possible to dial down the bass, as you said, full control, to where I can play music at a low level, and not every track be THROWN back with Bass, rather it be a Pony car just teasing the exhaust at a red light?
I'm afraid the RELs might not give me joy...
I just come off POLK HTS 12's, and at low levels didn't deliver the tone I was desiring without having to turn up the gain, and adjusting the EQ db.
How to set it up? Im just new to picking setups or new to home theater setups. What do you recommend to have as a set with this sb 3000? Whats else shoul i have to build with it and how to set it up all.
Love your videos Jay and this video looked great. We needed this comparison in a big way. Thank you and thumbs up! That said I think you really missed the opportunity to talk about the virtues of multisub here. Would 2 SVS SB2000s have distorted before a single 3000?
Jay is a GOD! We love you so much Jay
i'm tired of the rel T7X's i sold...they're to tight and no bass extension...rel tech told me to get the Rel S510 ? or is JL E Series better? used for both music and movies...in a
15 x 20 room
A fine review. Very good information provided by you, Jay, of The Next Best Thing Studio.
I know it’s late, but you should try two of these. I couldn’t buy just one. Ridiculous bass from 25 to 18 Hz.
REL fanboy here and I'm not ashamed 🤣🤣
That really depends on budget, room size, speaker pairing and use case. They have first class customer service so if you ask then they will give you the best information based on your speakers and room. They also have a free sub selector you can use as a guidline where you can input your speakers, use and room size :). I have the T9i and I absolutely love it. When I upgrade my speakers and amp I will probably move to their s812.
@Alan Smithee that's a cool setup. I'm not an expert when it comes to sub selection. Just go to REL.com and go from there. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about it. I just have REL products and love them.
My pair of REL G1’s seems to do the job quite well.
Thank you for the video. I’ve owned multiple subs throughout the years and SVS is the hands down champ. With the new 2000 pro and 3000 series there’s no one even close. Svs wins with the combination of performance , price and technology. Movies, music, UA-cam videos etc. SVS wins. The SB 3000 destroys the REL 1205 (I’ve owned both).
I have the SVS SB3000 as well, and like it a lot. How does it destroy the REL 1205
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@@bradbortner2601 obviously it’s all subjective and a lot depends on room size/placement/etc. I feel it plays deeper, louder , sounds great with music and gives “impact” with movies. The REL is a good sub, I just prefer the svs
@@bradbortner2601 the SVS SB3000 destroys the REL HT 1205 (I’m guessing 🤭) because the SVS cost more than the REL 🤷🏾♂️ $999 vs $699
What would you recommend, dual sb1000 pro's or a single sb3000?
Could you please tell us how big in square meters the room in which you use the subwoofer is?
What's your opinion on 2 subs as opposed to 1? A lot of receivers have .2 channel situation (5.2, 7.2, etc).
2 is always better than 1 in my opinion.
Once you go double, you never wanna be single again...
Did you have a SB2000 Pro before that you said broke up at high SPLs?
"woofer quit before the amp" not quite the same as break up
I like that tree Jay! lol
Is this sub going to be a permeant addition to your set up?
I am using a SB-3000 in a very large lofted living room and it holds up surprisingly well. It is undoubtably undersized but blends it well to a modern living room.
Hi, can you specify please size of your room?
Jay, for those who like pipe organ music, 16Hz is essential.
Not going to get 16hz in a small or medium room.
Scott Lowell You definitely could, look at car audio. I also get down to 16hz in my bedroom and I know it's 16hz as there's no frequency doubling just pressure (with windows and radiators shaking). It's more about your room shape and treatment.
I don't know what to choose between SVS and the new KEF KC62 ?
Just bought a pair of Cornwall IVs… what do you think about one (or two) of these subs with a NAD C700 or M10?
Does anyone know it it compares to the SB-4000? I've heard the 4000 is overkill in most cases.
Hope to see WiSA subwoofers from the top tier makers soon. Rythmik, REL, SVS, etc.
The only wisa subwoofer that comes to my mind is the B&O beolab 19. I also can't wait for some decent wisa subs.
@@MeBarnson Klipsch has one.
Dude, I hit that intro music twice , it was crazy good on my set up. 👍 Js, ok now I'll finish watching. ❤️✌️
Jay, please test a B&W sub with the 705 Signature speakers in the background. Like a DB4S sub with the B&W app integration.
Would be interesting to see your opinion of the app with the integration and listening position calibration it provides.
In the app you chose which model of B&W speakers you use it with..
Have you used ported? Some say today's ported are much better than before. Also, they adding plugs now.
Great review! Definitely Looking forward to your look at Rythmik Subs in the future! 👍
I always wonder what ohm drivers these companies use.
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Just got two of these for my living room and it does the job very well. My space is open so a single 10" was not cutting it even though it could do 1250 W RMS. Also, for people like me who listen to electronic primarily having a sub that can reach 20 Hz flat is a must for music.
Would the SVS SB-3000 keep up nicely with a pair of Magnepan .7 speakers?
Dual SVS SB 3000 with a pair of Klipsch Forte iv for both music and movies. Do you think this would be a good match??
What type of amplifier do you have?
How does this subwoofer compare to the REL HT 12/15 offerings?
Nice video. How big is the room in which you tested the SB3000?
What up with the tekton subs ?? Not one review video on tekton subs on UA-cam. Got my eyes on the 2-10 sub they got for 600$ because I have tekton speakers. Anyways would be awesome if you can do a video or two on there subs , thanks
And Tektons have high-level connections, which are also recommended by Tekton.
Wow! Great sub...and looks like Kef just dropped their new little kc25 sub. $1500, tho.
How do you know how to identify this new reference version from the older versions? Is there an R in the model number or something else?
SB3000 vs KEF KC62 for music?
I really enjoy your videos and commentary. I almost bought the sb 3000, but got a pc 2000 pro instead for my living room setup, which i use for movies and music. I do have an sb 1000 in my 2 channel setup, and its really good.
Jay, I'm running a 2 channel system for my music and home theatre...50/50. Speakers are Magnepan 1.7i. Would this sub integrate well/keep up with the Maggies? Would the SB2000 pair be a better match? Or should I go REL T9i or Rythmik F12se?
Great video and...Awesome set and set lighting!
How does this compare to the svs 3000 micro?
The output from the micro is significantly lower. If you’re tight on space, but want good output, get two micros.
Should I get four SB3000’s, or two SB16-Ultra? (Pricing about equal for the two sets)
Two ultras for sure
i have svs prime bookshelfs and dual svs sb2000. it is awesome for music but a bit overkill for my small room though
what's better the PB 3000 or the new kef kc 62
I would love for you to review the jtr rs1 subs, and the jtr speakers as well.
Please review the Rythmik F12SE.
I purchased one of these after seeing so much praise and id agree it can pump out some volume and hit some deep notes but… that’s all I found it did well.
The more I listened the more I hated it. On paper it should have been everything I wanted. Great specs, build quality and the app interface (which I really liked). I tried really hard to like this sub but it was just not for me.
what else would the sub do or what alternative did you end up with?
I love my movies but I love my music more... hence the reason why I go with a pair of stereo rel t5i subs for my 5.2.4 setup.
Hi Jay,
Did you connect/integrate the subwoofer through high level inputs or using the sub-out/lfe channel? In the video, the RCA cable in not plugged into the LFE channel input on the SVS. Also did you crossover the subs using the app or inside the avr/amp dsp?
Planning to get dual subs for HT but am also into music - wondering which is the better way to connect (with the Yamaha RX1080 + PSB X2T tower speakers)
Thanks!
Since you have a avr, use low level, disable crossover in the sub, use bass management in the avr
Do you have a studio gear video that you use for video production?
Hey Jay,
New subscriber here. I just ordered the KLH model 5 due to your review/recommendation. Thinking about getting the SVS SB3000 for my music 2 channel listening. Would you recommend that combo and if so how would you recommend setting up the crossover, etc? Thanks for your great content!
Jay, your acting is oscar worthy. (the sushi drop)
many sushi sacrificed on this day...
@@Jayiyagi It was kind of like if tharmabar (or whatever his name is) brought in some props and went for a more "vaudeville" angle.
The voice coil is actually made from 3/32" welding rod.
J.k.
I want 2 of them.
Great info!
Jay how do you think the JL Audio e110 compares? Do you have any experience with it? Thanks
Curious question 🙋🏾♂️ how many $1000 subs have you tested in your room?
Do a review of the B&W speakers behind you ! ??
Review: there are better speakers out there for much less money.
Quick ? , which audio rack is that behind you? another great video, thanks !
Nice and cleared to me, thanks.
Is there a big difference compared to pb3000?
Yes
Some years back, Steve Guttenberg was speaking very favourably of a certain Dr. Hsu subwoofer. As I recall, he liked its price to performance ratio and ease of integration for two-channel listening. I myself have not made a foray into the subwoofer realms, but Hsu subs definitely have their fans!
Steve also raved about the SB3000
I think they are only for HT. I can't see how a sub could improve sound to high end speakers as they already give proper clean be bass. Too much bass is not the way to go for music.
It's not a question of more bass, rather it's "better distribution of bass". I have high-end speakers, but when I added dual SB-3000's the bass engulfed the entire listening area. When listening to "Money For Nothing" by Dire Straits, I could actually feel the bass in the pit of my stomach, although my test instruments indicated only a 3dB gain in volume. Absolutely amazing!!!
Great review! I just went, from dual PB 1000 (10" version), and to a single SB 3000. OMG, that thing ROCKS.... AND "shots up" as well :-)
The 3000 is better than the two 1000s?
705 signature review coming soon?
There is no doubt the SB3000 is a great value and better than the Rel HT/1205 at $300 less. However, as this is my final go around I am going to buy two Rel HT/1508 Predator's for an additional $800 each. 15" with superior speed and punch. Stacking the two I should get high teens in hz and they will be much better for music than a more expensive SVS sub. What do you think?
Would you consider trying two SB3000 first, and see if that actually works for you? They have an in-house trial of 45 days, and pay return shipping. I’ve been really happy with my SVS sb3000, but have not compared it to the REL’s in my room
@@bradbortner2601 Too much trouble since I know the Rel is better for music. That is most important for me. Also the other reviews I have seen the Predator is just faster for gun shots and other violent sounds I enjoy! Lol This should be my last go around on this upcoming system. I am not going to compromise. Great comment though!
Nad t778, 11 kef ls50 meta, svs sb3000
I love my REL T/9i subs. I use them only for music.
Wish you'd do more give theater product reviews e.g. multi channel amps, subs, AVR's and AV Processors. You'd probably see a huge bump in subscribers. Just saying bruh....
Ok jay u never dropped ur sushi 🍣 whats the price difference between d svs n rel
There is a scientific reason why this happens. 1. One needs to understand the differences between sealed and vented subs. 2. On vented subs one needs to understand the differences of tuning and alignments. Once you learn that you will understand how tuning affects bottom end and the tradeoff of output and its relation with displacement of the woofer and which frequencies. Which tuning you use can depend on what type of music you want to use it on and the tradeoff you select. Both of the prior 2 topics will explain the differences between subs at low output. At higher output, one needs to be able to dig into the mechanical performance of different drivers. Quality drivers perform better and cost more. 3. Integration requires proper phase positioning and also the bass alignment of the main speakers. 4. The low pass crossover will depend on the low end performance of the main speakers in the room. Sometimes a Linkwitz Riley aligment is better than a Butterworth or Bessel function. It depends on many factors but without a microphone and the ability to configure the bass alignment then a lot of guesswork is required. The low pass slope 12 dB, 24 dB, 48 dB also plays into the room and main speaker performance. Ideally a user configurable app is best. as was provided however some more EQ and Filter tuning is also required. The ideal sub is not absolute as a lot depends on one's own circumstances and setup and an understanding of what the main system is doing. You can begin the journey of sub integration by purchasing something like a MiniDSP box, a good mic from same company and downloading REW ( Free and fully functional) and start learning how to use it and testing and listening. In the end, always remember, you cannot beat physics and nature. Low frequencies require you displace a lot of air volume. Air volume is the piston diameter multiplied by the displacement of the woofer. In vented systems, the port takes over as the piston diameter at some point. Small ports = small piston. and this requires larger displacement of air in port. The greater the travel of the woofer, the harder it is to maintain low distortion. DSP and high power amps trade off surface area for displacement( power required). Servo control also make the displacement lower distortion as active feedback is used to control displacement power to make it follow the signal better.
Oh yeah, even on the simple sealed sub, you also need to understand what happens with the alignment of tuning of the sealed box ant the lower limits and how this relates to distortion , phase and power handling. Power handling can be displacement limited or thermally limited. Try a DIY good sub, get a good driver, get the components and play with them and everything and how commercial subs work will become clear. Then try a Benchmark AHB2 on same setup and realize that some sub amps have trouble handling low end not shown in the power specs.
To keep it even simpler for people - For movie fans a good ported sub will be better as it will go down to a lower frequency 🎬
For music fans a good sealed sub will be better as slightly less distortion and tighter bass than a ported sub 🎶
Conclusion: A good ported sub will get down to around 15-10hz or even slightly lower. Enabling you to feel the very low frequency effects in movie's like The Edge Of Tomorrow etc. Lot's of action, Sci-fi, horror etc movies can have low frequencys under 20hz.
A good sealed sub will will have slightly less distortion and get down to around 20-30hz. Has no ports so the bass will be tighter than a ported sub. Plus It doesn't need to get any lower as most music doesn't go lower than 40hz (apart from some niche orchestra and pipe organ music)
@@C--A That is a generalized statement that has no science behind it. That it might be true in certain circumstances does not make it correct. Sealed subs always exhibit rising displacement below their resonant frequency which is typically a higher level than what a vented sub does. However, a sealed sub rolls off slower than a vented sub would. This allows a higher level of very low frequencies. The transient response is also better than vented subs are. Vented subs typically would be flat to a lower point than a sealed sub. As long as you don't want or need the lower frequencies that is ok. Now vented subs can be tuned for different "alignments" that would allow different resonant frequencies and transient response and also "displacement" of the driver at the same frequencies. This is the tradeoff companies like REL and SVS and all competent designers all know about. That is why there are different models in a brand even with the same woofer. They can achieve different performances for different markets. Saying one sub is better than another is not correct, nor is a generalization of what might be best or even one "brand" for that matter. Start doing some learning and get a little more information about this. One starting point is to google "Thiele and Small". I followed them from the 70s to understand a lot of how low frequency design is done. Oh, and these guys were researchers in universities in the 70s. It's all science. REL uses their work But Thiele started the ball rolling. It helps if you know math at the university level.
Im taking delivery of this sub today, but in Sweden they retail for 1800bux =(
and remember folks, both SVS and REL have a generous in home trial, with free shipping back in case you don't like it.
I personally am a fan of Rythmik over RELs+High level inputs. I have compared both, in home last year and preferred the warmer/has more weight Rythmik (L12s) to REL (t5i) slightly clinical tone.
Rather than the little t5i I would have thought the HT 1205 would've been a fairer comparison against the rythmik L12 🤔
@@Totalplonker I skipped it due to the “better sound quality” folks mentioned in the ti series vs ht, and that was my primary goal in my 9x14 room. I know my comparison may not make sense if purely looking at it from a driver size perspective and/or cost perspective.
If ordering directly from SVS, do they offer free shipping on returns if I don't like it? Also is returning the sub a simple process? I hope I don't have to take it to UPS just to return it. Wonder if they can pick up directly from my home.
Nice one, would love a beefy sub but living in a flat will get me in bad standing with my neighbours.
i told myself after i got two bookshelves....no you cant get a sub dont get a sub you're in a condo dont do it....days later i had two PB-1000's on their way. they're far more juice than I need but the sickening thing now is that i somehow want to upgrade cause i like the products so much. two SB3k's have been at the tip of the fingers for a while now. might sell off the pb's and get the sb3k's haha.
I also bought wine for all my neighbors after i got my subs. hopefully a top up every now and then will keep me in good standing for a while. goodluck
If only you/Thomas/Ron.... Anyone lol would get a rythmik sub..
Yeah, at this price point I'd love to see a review of the Rythmik F12 or L22 and maybe the Hsu ULS-15 MK2
Z Review has two to pair with his Ohm Walsh 2000's.
Check out nemo propagandas channel
I wish this sub had balanced inputs with a switch to toggle between single ended and balanced. Music on one and HT on the other.