Recently got an SVS sub woofer and followed your advice. The improvement was outstanding! Set the SW crossover to 90. The surprise was how much the SW improved the overall sound stage and clarity with very little moving it around for best placement. Sure, two SW or even four as some suggest might be wonderful. But the system works in a small , acoustically difficult room and the divorce costs would be very high. V glad I got the SW and followed your advice.
SVS customer service is awesome! Cory and Jeff helped me out when ordering and setting up my subs. I had no idea that my center channel and floor speakers needed to be set to small. Once I did that and set the crossover to 80 hz, my entire system was transformed. I started going back through the MCU movies, and re-watching Iron Man with correct settings and dual PB-2000 subs was glorious! I can't say enough good things about SVS...both the products and the people.
Great info! I changed my denon 4400 from large to small on my rf7iii after getting my 2 sb3000 subs. What a difference! I rush home from work to listen to my system.
Speakers have built in crossovers, so I set my mains to large for full power and let the internal crossovers work. Set the sub to LFE + Main. Music sounds awesome! The sub and mains blend in perfectly.
This has nothing to do with the regular crossovers inside the front speakers. Unless you are talking about front speakers with a high pass filter option.... your usage of LFE+Main is probably based on faulty knowledge...
@@ericshutter5305 you’re correct about the crossover. There is none for the fronts/mains with the LFE + Main configuration. They are simply playing full range for the lows and any internal passive crossovers within the speakers is more for the mids and highs if 3 way. And as far as LFE + Main whether faulty knowledge or not if Steve feels his system sounds great as is then good for him. I actually don’t believe in what SVS is stating related to chopping off low bass frequencies in floor standing speakers. Perhaps bookshelf but shouldn’t be necessary for floor standing speakers. And even if it were then there is more of an amplification problem here. SVS and most subwoofer companies cater to an audience that have a receiver / sound processor. The receiver has power limitations to properly drive floor standing speakers at full range. A separate pre amp power amplifier set up is the better way to go with floor standing speakers. If one has plenty of powerful bass in this set up then any added subwoofer is just gravy. Should still be a good one. The above has just been my experience. It best replicates live performance. Some are more into home theater so it just depends.
An addition: Sending a full range signal to a speaker that is not capable of handling deep bass will only create distortions within the speaker. Freed from high amplitude low frequencies the bass driver can work with much higher accuracy. My recommendation: Choose a cross-over frequency well above the cut off frequency of your "small" speaker. Since the cross-over is a gradual process it overlays with the dying out of your speaker at the low end. To minimize this overlay I suggest you double the low cut off frequency of your speaker and take that as cross-over frequency. But no more than 100 - 120 Hz. Greetings from Germany A physicist
Talk about setting a standard in customer service, SVS is THE standard. Before purchase, during purchase, and after purchase....nothing but class. Thank you!
I tought size was referring to the physical size of the speaker. However when I changed to large I did notice the sound quality diminished so i returned to small. Thank you for clearing that misconception.
Hi Guys, I've set my receiver according to this video -> all speakers to small, LFE only (not LFE+Main), cut at 80 Hz for LFE and to tell you the trouth sounds weak and terrible, like an entry level system. So I turned back to large speakers to all, LFE+Main and cut at 100 Hz. Huge difference and now it sounds as a movie should with high end gear. I might have lost common sense here, but thats the fact, I need large to get sound right. My gear is X7200WA, SB4000 and RTiA7 Polks with bigger center.
Thanks for sharing the experience. It's not a hardened rule to run "small" with a subwoofer considering the other factors involved. Ultimately, whatever sounds best to you is what matters most.
I found the video both helpful and confusing. My new Sony 5.1 AVR forces all my speakers to Large when I run the auto setup. The video seems to say that the AVR won’t divert anything to my subwoofer, but the subwoofer still plays. I took your advice, changed all my speakers to Small, and set the crossover for each speaker a bit above the claimed frequency response. Happy camper!
Thanks for the comment. We didn't mean to say no output would be diverted to the subwoofer, just that the speakers would not have to play as low, so they can focus more on mids and highs, which generally produces better dynamic range our total output.
Very good information as usual, I have to say that I'm more than impressed with the customer service provided by Svs. You guys do an amazing job, my emails are answered within a few hours at most and the information is always very clear and informative.
Denon fnally got rid of the "small" vs. "large" terminology that confuses beginners. At least they did it on their mid-level products. On my x4800h the latest firmware update gives us a crossover menu with the normal descending frequency choices but the lowest one is now "full range" meaning no crossover. Way more intuitive. No "small" or "large." Thanks Denon!
Thank you for this video. I had wondered what the small and large speakers setting was without ever finding out. Your video has just told me exactly what it means.
I was fortunate to speak with Ed Mullen when I called SVS support department. Ed gave me detailed information on each aspect of my AVR set up in conjunction with my SB12 NSD subwoofer. I had purchased a set of B&W 607 to use as the surrounds, with his input I was able to make those speakers play with the rest of my speakers enveloping me in the surround sound. My AVR's EQ system did not work properly and he recommended I purchase an SPL meter that aided in the adjustment of the sound levels. Ed thanks again.
Very informative!... that is why I set my Pioneer A/V receiver speaker setting to small for front, center & surround channel, and a subwoofer to YES... And it sounds best! Not only that, the sound quality especially the bass really very satisfying!
@@SVS_Sound Thanks! I've tried setting large for front speakers and small for a center, surround, and Subwoofer setting to PLUS...which also sounds louder and good bass. But the quality is not satisfactory. That's why the real best configuration is setting the front, center, surround to small and all the bass will come out to subwoofer thoroughly. That's where it sounds really great!
Very educative video. I use Sony DH 550 AV receiver. I do not have an active subwoofer so instead I have a separate Amp, Sherwood Ax 4050r which acts as my subwoofer amp for the two 12 inch passive speakers I have. I followed the instructions here and set the Sony AV receiver speaker settings to small, and cross over to 80hz. The Sound from the Sherwood amp is amazing. The bass from the 12 inches speaker is deep.
I set it up with large speakers and they are large anyway bass is deep enough the result is very good. Of course add a sub will put lower end to the sound and brings a powerful sound
It depends on the combination of speakers and subwoofer really. The bookshelf speakers I have on my desk with my PC start rolling off at 140Hz, I have the crossover frequency set to 95Hz so it doesn't make a weird hump or dip in the frequency response. It's typically not a hard cut-off but more of a slope from the crossover frequency.
Great info! Thank you! I've got the Klipsch RF7-IIIs and RC-64 III up front, and even have those set to small. The 2 PB-16s I think are happy to handle the low end for them. The towers are handled by an Anthem amplifier (not receiver), so I let them go down to 60hz. So far so good!
Nice setup! been wanting to upgrade my KLF30's to RF7III's. Also been wanting to upgrade to a new model Anthem reciever. SVS is great but I got my THX ULTRA II Subs on accommodation from Klipsch so I've stuck w/ them. Klipsch's new Subs look to give SVS a run for their money!
@@Metalhead-4life yes! I'm waiting to see these reviews for the new subs! If they're anywhere near the SVS (let alone better?), It will cause a major shift in the Market I think. Can't wait to hear them.
My two front speakers are from Definitive Technology with built in active subs. They sound better when I run them at full band sending some LFE signal to them as opposed to small and setting a crossover point. Every other speaker is set to small with crossover points. Every should try for themselves but generally, you don’t want to set speakers to large unless those speakers have built in active subs.
I have my CV! SL 15s set to large because the go to 28hrz and do as good or better than my 2 subs. everything else set to small and crossovers set to the standards. So I get basically 4 subs and it is awesome. I have an external power amp for the fronts to take the load off the receiver giving my surrounds plenty of headroom, my receiver runs nice and cool. The SL 15s are really great fronts on a surround system, and for 2 channel music, WOW they rock. Sorry I don't mean to plug another speaker brand. My main point was big speakers that go low, I like set on large, you get some great sound effects/bass. You're subs are nice, if/when I upgrade ill definitely check you out. Good video!
I've found my Monitor 70's sound much better (to me) when in 2 channel full band mode since I added an external amp. I have an Onkyo TX-NR 809 that does pre-amp duty. Found an Adcom GFA-5500 on ebay, and the difference is night and day. With this amp pushing 200 wpc, the subs aren't needed for listening to music, and the bass is sufficient enough for me. I leave the front LR speakers in full band, and crossed over the rest at 80Hz for movie and tv viewing so the subs kick in. No SVS sub yet, but I'm running Polk Monitor 60, surrounds, JBL E10's, surround back, Velodyne DPS12 in the front, and a PolK PSW110 behind the couch. The surrounds and center channel are powered by an ancient Carver AV405 - so the stress on the Onkyo is minimal. Sounds great for a modest system.
I see most people seem to recommend crossover set 80 hertz...anything to be gained by moving crossover higher up..say 100 to 120..thanks for any advice..
Yes, if you have smaller bookshelf or satellite speakers that can't play very low, you can set the crossover higher so the subwoofer handles a greater range of bass frequencies.
Thanks, we touch on that briefly in the blog post we wrote with it. www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/should-speakers-be-set-to-large-or-small-on-an-av-receiver
LFE+Main is garbage and they will interfere with eachother, especially if you have a good quality subwoofer setup. It's very simple, your subwoofer is made better for bass, so let it do it and do it only. Allowing a combination of bass to both subwoofer and mains never yields a better result.
Good point Currently I have my servo sub crossed at 40,and surrounds set at large via auto set up ,my towers will go down below 30hz,and surrounds I think go to around 38hz,,also this is in a small room,,10x12,,, And auto eq off, I going to test and change the speaker size ,, Thanks for the tip
Great info. I purchased a 5.0 speaker system a month ago and am learning. My first surround system powered by an older, basic Yamaha 5.1 receiver. My Klipsch R620F loudspeakers & Jamo S 803s (used as wall mounted rears) have enough bass for me that I don’t want a subwoofer. I have a small Jamo center channel 71Hz to 26 kHz with 4” speaker that sounds kind of thin set to small. When I calibrated my system from my sitting position with a mic it boosted all the Jamos to 6-10db higher than the Klipschs, put the crossover frequency at 60kHz, and set all the speakers to large. I have to admit everything sounds fuller and there is more even crossover and soundstage. I only reset the crossover to 80kHz because I thought that was the Dolby standard. I have 1 crossover setting which is not individualized on each speaker. Anyway, I know this is long winded but if you have any advise it would be much appreciated. I don’t plan to buy any new gear this decade. I just want to optimize the sound of what I have. Thanks for any response. Great channel!
So I have two pairs of bookshelf speakers in the middle and a Slightly larger pair mounted in the corners of my wall I think I might leave those ones at full range because they’re higher and further away and we can play bass pretty well anyways
I'm stuck, I have an DENON AVR 2700H and I've set them to large and small, and my passive Bose AM10 sub is having problems getting deep bass. I've just changed my AVR 2000 Denon which I had set up perfectly. And I can't understand where I'm going wrong.
Nice Video guys that opened up for me a question: i got 2 B&W 801 series 3 (they were used in an editing studio as monitors and got them for free) as left and right speakers for a 5.0 setup at the moment is it worth to buy a subwoofer or are those speakers to heavy to place a subwoofer next to it. And if the answer is yes what kind of subwoofer should i get? Thanks
Hi Ronald - I'm not familiar with those speakers so if you don't mind sending a note to our support team (custservice@svsound,com), they will get back to you within 24 hours with recommendations.
Nice overview ! I heard the ultra bookshelfs once , and for the small amount of time i was impressed with the detail , I'm a newer reviewer , who would love to review one of your alls smaller subwoofers in a 2ch set up with the ultras . I can dial them in last subwoofer how 2 video has about 107k reviews . Thanks again SVS for the video .
Thanks for the video. What I really need to know now, is whether or not to use my single sub pre out (Denon 3806) to one of the L or R "input 2" inputs on my sub (YST-SW160), OR, and maybe this could help against signal degradation, go 6ft from the AVR to the sub's speaker terminals, then 6 ft to the front speakers, instead of 12 ft from AVR to speakers. Just might run into issues where the sub isn't detected or something... I don't really know what I'd have to deal with if I didn't use the dedicated sub pre out. The sub pre out seems easier, but relaying from the sub could be an elegant alternative, and maybe with a little crossover finesse it would sound just fine and I wouldn't ruin anything... idk. I keep going back and forth. EDIT: Hmm, something you said about the receiver having to work harder may apply here as well. I'd have to send a full range signal to power the sub if I don't use the "Input 2" (line in??) maybe? Would that bypass the subs internal amp or something? I'm probably not painting a very clear picture here... Well, I guess if I have the speakers set to "Small," it would limit the power sent to them, but then, since the sub is sharing a connection at the speaker terminal... it wouldn't be getting the proper frequency sent to it? Or maybe I can run a subwoofer cable to the sub for the low end, but relay/daisy chain the speakers from the subwoofer terminals just... because maybe that's better than running a long speaker cable. (Basically, would the signal be boosted at all degraded less by going through the powered sub rather than skipping it with long speaker cables?) Really hard to find information... I guess there's endless configurations...
Good to see that Denon finally got rid of the lame "small" and "large" settings in their AVR menus. Instead everything is merely specified by frequence and routing. Don't know about other brands.
Great explanations, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I understand why I should set all my speakers to small and the receiver crossover point to 80 but... when I use ypao mic to setup my Yamaha RX V473 receiver it changes all the speakers (except the center channel) from small back to large and crossover back from 80 to 120. The Yammy receiver is connected to Onkyo SKF-4800 floor-standing front speakers, Onkyo SKC-4800 center speaker, Infinity reference 5.5'' bookshelf rear speakers on stands and Sony SA-WM40 subwoofer. Do you think I should change all the speakers back to small and crossover to 80?
The speakers need to be changed to Small after you run YPAO set-up in the Yamaha. Your AVR does not have the ability to set individual crossovers for each channel. They must all use the same crossover. 80 Hz will work fine for all of your channels. This is one of those situations where the exception might work better - so you can try setting the fronts to large, enabling double bass (typically referred to as Plus/Extra) and then setting all of the other channels to Small with an 80 Hz crossover.
@@SVS_Sound thank you for your reply I do appreciate your advice and funny enough I have been trying front speakers set to small and large with a crossover at 80 how do you say it depends on what you're listening to cheers
Recently had SVS on the phone and after all these years 30 + found out my speakers were set wrong. Can someone eplain after the speakers are set to small how do you determine what Hz to choose? And Please explain what Hz is and does for that speaker. Example 80Hz vs 60 Hz. Thank you.
I have older 12 inch four way speakers in all four corners of my Atmos setup. They’re really good older speakers. JVC sealed in the front and Cerwin Vegas ported in the back. This video may explain why I smell them cooking during massive bomb explosions lol. I will continue to let them die in glory, but I’ll also probably change my settings to small once I have to replace them lol
Hi! Nice and informative video. How about if your front speakers has built in subwoofer. Do you still set the speakers into small and LFE+ Main in your reciver for bass management? And also is 250hz setting and 120hz for subwoofer is a right crossover for front speakers with. built in subs.Please help. Thank you!
Hi SVS!😊 wrote a comment on a different video, but I'll try on this one as well. I'm currently on the market for purchasing a small compact subwoofer for my apartment. I've considered many brands, but landed on SVS. I'm currently looking at the SVS SB-1000, but my question is. Are you guys planing on making a similar sub, but with a 10" driver, to make the cabinet even smaller? Cheers
Hi Kristoffer - I thought we answered in the comments of the other video, apologies if not. No immediate plans for a smaller 10-inch driver subwoofer. SB-1000 will remain our most compact model for the near future.
Hello! Please tell me, I have two SVS PB-2000 pro subwoofers, I want to set the correct parameters in the application, but I don’t understand much, so I would like to ask two questions. 1. Is it possible to change the settings in the app on two subwoofers at the same time? There is a problem adjusting one when both are playing, no change can be heard 2. maybe there is a video explaining what the tabs mean and what they affect. 3. I have a dali opticon 8 front, - what sound parameters would you recommend for your subwoofers, small or large speakers? 4. how much to put the crossover on the speakers and subwoofer? I have a Denon AVC-A110 amplifier. Thank you in advance!
Hello SVS,i have a question. I have 2 subwoofers from Klipsch,SW 112,and 2 PSB Stratus bronze,and 2 PSB Stratus silveri,and 2 bookspeakers,Yamaha NS. Should i have my speakers to small. Thank You for the answer. 😃
Dear SVS, I have a pair of Prime Bookshelfs as LR, an Ultra Center, a pair of Prime satellite along with an SB-1000. My receiver is an X2600H. I have my LCRs as Large and the crossover set at 80Hz for the whole system. Should I change them to small? Thanks!
Yes, set LCR to small. You may notice it opens up the mids and highs a bit more. 80Hz should still be fine for front LCR, though you should bring Prime Satellites to 90 or 100Hz. In the end, trust your ears and go with what sounds best.
Hi svs I have the polk xt range speakers and svs sb1000 my room calibration sets my crossover at 100hz and large , should I set to 80 hz and small and for the subwoofer should I st phase to 180 and stay in the lfe mode.
I'm running the Sony STR-DN1080 when it's set to large it's a bit too chesty for me. Usually people would run small speaker crossover between 120-100hz. I'll set it down 60hz and the mids are still really clear.
Hi im planning for the same amplifier, but i don't know much about speakers. Which speakers are you using, can i connect normal home theater speakers to sony str dn 1080?!! Does that sound good?!
I just ordered the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, That Center Speaker is pretty powerful with a built in 8" subwoofer and 10"upward-firing passive radiator for low bass, But I already have 2 Svs Subwoofers, Should I run the CS 9080 Center Speaker in Small or Large to take advantage of the Subwoofer in the center channel?
We would recommend small. Passive radiators generally aren't as quick with transients compared to powered drivers, so you may notice smeared bass notes. That said, it's worth trying both since we haven't heard this specific combo before.
Wondering if you might make a video to comment on this if there is something interesting to say - when setting the receiver to 'large', I get the option to specify if the subwoofer should or shouldn't be playing in addition to to the main speakers, both playing throughout their full range. What are the pros and cons to such an option
As much as I'm trying to hear the "small" as better I can't :D I really have to set my Yamahas NS-300 as large guys. In coming days I will try some more content with more volume, maybe I spot some better midrange, but none so far with rather low listening volume (should be most obvious I think but maybe I'm wrong). Maybe I will feel like I lost power in mids/highs under higher listening volume, well let's see !
On my 48 year old Marantz 2230 I just hook up the speakers then listen, and somehow it still sounds better than any AVR ever made in the past, present and future. They don't make them like that anymore.
Nice video..ive always wondered about this. Please advise if all in one systems with built in blueray and amplifier are as good budget end as seperate amps?
Typically the all-in-ones lack the level of detail and deep bass extension you would get from buying a separate speaker system and pairing with an AV Receiver.
I have a harman kardon with 7,1. The back sorround left , sometimed sounds like its broken. I guess becose i set the receiver on large to. Great info. I will put them back to small
It kind of is. Larger speakers have a better chance of producing low frequencies. But it is making an assumption instead of basing it off of what is important.
Nice vid, I have a Klipsch towers and center with surround speakers. I don’t have a sub. Should I set them to large or small? Or does it set it automatically? I also have a pioneer elite receiver. Thanks again
So i have bp9080x towers front/ cs9060 center and bp9060 for back surround along with 2 svs pb1000*love them btw*. Should i be setting my speakers to small with a cross over at 60hz on the speakers? Im new and confused. Also with a split subwoofer set up (one front and one back.) Should the rear sub have the phase set at 180? Love your products and thanks in advance for your suggestion.
Definitely set to small, you probably want to keep crossover at 60Hz for the mains and 80Hz for the center and back surrounds since they can't play as low. For the phase, I would only adjust if you're noticing the bass is out of sync. It really depends on your room and the distance.
I bi amped my B&W tower speakers with settings to ‘large’ with enhanced bass from my Nad T778. With this full range setting the sub still receives some bass. Setting on ‘small’ these towers sound very thin while the bass on the sub kicks in very late… any solution for this?
Haven't heard of this happening before. Please contact out tech support experts and they can help you understand what the issue is - custservice@svsound.com.
Hello I was wondering if you would be willing to share some advice, I have a Sony ah590 AV receiver, I have two cerwin Vega XLS 15 main speakers, one cerwin Vega XLS center channel speaker, and one cerwin Vega XLS 15 powered subwoofer, should I set speakers to large or small and what crossovers do you recommend or any other settings to get the best sound thank you for any help
I have set my speakers as large , 60 hz , i use lfe + main , lfe 80 hz , that sounds the best . I use extern amps to power my lcr , but when i set my speakers to small and only Lfe. The bass is not clean , and muddy ... explain that pleas . Crossover is 60 hz for L&R , 80 hz for surrounds and 90 hz for atmos . Thanks in advance
I do the same. The music sounds better using large rather than using small with my semi big tower speaker. Believe me, I've gone back and forth in tesl time like a mental case and small takes that last bit of punch out of the sound. Atleast with music! And yes I have dual subs so it's all based on the person's system.🤗😉😇
Here's some useful information: Fronts set to Small and subwoofer mode LFE: • A high pass filter is applied to the fronts at the crossover frequency. • A duplicate signal is sent to the subwoofer and low passed at the crossover frequency. Fronts set to Large and subwoofer mode LFE: • The fronts get a full-range signal. • The crossover for the fronts is grayed out and shows ‘full band’. • The subwoofer gets no signal for the front channels. Fronts set to Large and subwoofer mode LFE + Main: • The fronts get a full-range signal. • The subwoofer gets a duplicate signal for the front channels - hence the term ‘double bass’. • The crossover for the fronts becomes available - but it’s not actually a crossover at all - because the fronts are still getting a full-range signal. It is the low pass filter setting for the double bass signal being sent to the subwoofer. This is confusing for most users and is not well explained anywhere by the AVR manufacturers. Usually Large/full-band with double-bass enabled results in phase cancellation issues between the fronts and the subwoofer, because they do not have the same phase response over the bandwidth they are sharing. There are exceptions to every recommendation - so if your system sounds the best with large/full-band and double bass enabled, then by all means continue to use it. The LPF/LFE should be set to 120 Hz. This is the low pass for the LFE .1 channel on the soundtrack and has no bearing on the speaker/subwoofer crossover frequencies. If there is content in the LFE .1 channel above 80 Hz, your current setting will attenuate that information. The historical standard for sound engineers mixing content into the LFE .1 channel has been an upper limit of 120 Hz
Great review by the way but I do have a separate question to don't we are most I have a slanted ceiling what style as speakers would be great for Adobe at most last year I not I do not think about it I cannot take back the in ceiling speakers I purchased on Clarence About 4 of on my do not want to waste that are obviously do I make a Box? 2nd question is which is a good Marantz's 8 0 12 or a Dennon 6500 for 11.2.4 surround.
No totally sure what you're asking, but the SVS Prime Elevation speakers can be mounted on a ceiling and provide more dynamic output and deep bass than in-ceiling speakers. For an 11.2.4, go with the 8012, you'll want the extra power.
I purchased 4 in ceiling speakers however I have a slanted ceiling I understand you guys have Have at most Speakers how would I use the in ceiling speakers on a slanted ceiling do I need to build a Box or can I just point the direction of the speaker to where I need it to be
i have sony ss cs3 floor tower speakers should i set those to large or small manual says they rate at 45hz-50khz. i also have a definitive pro 1000 center speaker and a klipsch r-100sw 10inch subwoofer.
Okay.....? Well, I might be over thinking this. But, what happens if there is over lapping bass signals coming from the LCR and LFE channels? That poor subwoofer must get really confused. There is only so much distance a speaker can move to produce each sound. Seems like it would make more sense to have a powered woofer on each front channel, set them to "large" and place a filter between woofer and the speaker. I'm thinking something like ToidsDIY DINAS speakers. toidsdiyaudio.com/2019/05/18/the-dinas-do-i-need-a-subwoofer/
Great questions. You actually want some overlap of the bass signal between speakers and subwoofer to ensure a smooth transition. That's why it's generally recommended to set the crossover 10-20 Hz above the rated low frequency extension of the speakers. SVS subwoofers have DSP engines that ensure a smooth blend. That said, the alternate approach you mentioned can also be used, but generally only in 2-channel setups.
My Yamaha ypao set the speakers to large and the subwoofer at 40hz. My ears tells me that at large it sounds better more open sound but the lows are no defined. At small configuration its the opposite, good bass more boxy sound. Im using dali zensor 7 and the sw also dali e12f
You really saved me time, I have already been reading about speaker size settings and crosstalk setting for the last few days and getting no where. However you didn't discuss crosstalk settings - if I decide to set all my speakers to 'small', what hz do you recommend? 40hz, 60hz, 80hz
Really good information guys, but can you tell me if you plan on making a PB 18" ultra that has the excursion of the PB3000, the force of the 16ultra and the wattage of the sun?
What if your speakers are say (3 way 15s) 101 sensitivity that play down to 29hz? Still put them on small? I want the 15s to blend with the PB4000 better so you cant localize the sub as much. I just got the sub for Christmas so all play around with my RTA and REW and see what blends better and works best. SVS is top notch . Thanks
That's an interesting setup. It comes down to whether you want more power for the mids and highs with your 3-way 15s and whether you're noticing localization a with the speakers set to small. If so, Large may be the better option. RTA and REW will be really helpful.
But whats the differences if any IF your only concerned with music and not movies. I watch almost lil to no movies on my avr. Running your svs 4000 sub with marantz sr7007 7.1 With definitive techs that are self amplified in the bass speaker as my mains. I like alot of tight crisp kick drum bass in my music btw
I can listen to the engineer talk all day. Extremely articulate.
Ed Mullen always giving sound advice. Great video guys!
Thanks, we love what you guys do for the audio industry, keep spreading the knowledge!
Great video and I guess a lot of people will be adjusting their setups after watching this...
Recently got an SVS sub woofer and followed your advice. The improvement was outstanding! Set the SW crossover to 90. The surprise was how much the SW improved the overall sound stage and clarity with very little moving it around for best placement. Sure, two SW or even four as some suggest might be wonderful. But the system works in a small , acoustically difficult room and the divorce costs would be very high. V glad I got the SW and followed your advice.
Haha, always have to account for the divorce costs. Thanks for sharing your experience.
SVS customer service is awesome! Cory and Jeff helped me out when ordering and setting up my subs. I had no idea that my center channel and floor speakers needed to be set to small. Once I did that and set the crossover to 80 hz, my entire system was transformed. I started going back through the MCU movies, and re-watching Iron Man with correct settings and dual PB-2000 subs was glorious! I can't say enough good things about SVS...both the products and the people.
Appreciate the kind words, we'll make sure Cory and Jeff get the props.
Ive always set my pioneer reciever to small speekers just because it sounded better and now i understand why. Great video thanks.
Great info! I changed my denon 4400 from large to small on my rf7iii after getting my 2 sb3000 subs. What a difference! I rush home from work to listen to my system.
what are the hz settings you have on the rf7 lll
@@thang1742 60. Dual sb3000s pound so I let them do the heavy lifting.
I had no idea till I talk to svs customer service and Ted T explained all of this to me! Great video🤟
Speakers have built in crossovers, so I set my mains to large for full power and let the internal crossovers work. Set the sub to LFE + Main. Music sounds awesome! The sub and mains blend in perfectly.
Steve is completely correct !!
This has nothing to do with the regular crossovers inside the front speakers. Unless you are talking about front speakers with a high pass filter option.... your usage of LFE+Main is probably based on faulty knowledge...
@@GatesRapes actually ... No he isn't...
@@ericshutter5305 you’re correct about the crossover. There is none for the fronts/mains with the LFE + Main configuration. They are simply playing full range for the lows and any internal passive crossovers within the speakers is more for the mids and highs if 3 way.
And as far as LFE + Main whether faulty knowledge or not if Steve feels his system sounds great as is then good for him.
I actually don’t believe in what SVS is stating related to chopping off low bass frequencies in floor standing speakers. Perhaps bookshelf but shouldn’t be necessary for floor standing speakers. And even if it were then there is more of an amplification problem here.
SVS and most subwoofer companies cater to an audience that have a receiver / sound processor. The receiver has power limitations to properly drive floor standing speakers at full range.
A separate pre amp power amplifier set up is the better way to go with floor standing speakers. If one has plenty of powerful bass in this set up then any added subwoofer is just gravy. Should still be a good one.
The above has just been my experience. It best replicates live performance.
Some are more into home theater so it just depends.
I’m finally enlightened , after a few decades of existence. Thanks for the video guys
An addition:
Sending a full range signal to a speaker that is not capable of handling deep bass will only create distortions within the speaker.
Freed from high amplitude low frequencies the bass driver can work with much higher accuracy.
My recommendation:
Choose a cross-over frequency well above the cut off frequency of your "small" speaker. Since the cross-over is a gradual process it overlays with the dying out of your speaker at the low end. To minimize this overlay I suggest you double the low cut off frequency of your speaker and take that as cross-over frequency. But no more than 100 - 120 Hz.
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I tought size was referring to the physical size of the speaker.
However when I changed to large I did notice the sound quality diminished so i returned to small.
Thank you for clearing that misconception.
Lol, it's so funny - I always and still think the same. What they mean is full range vs limited range.
Hi Guys, I've set my receiver according to this video -> all speakers to small, LFE only (not LFE+Main), cut at 80 Hz for LFE and to tell you the trouth sounds weak and terrible, like an entry level system. So I turned back to large speakers to all, LFE+Main and cut at 100 Hz. Huge difference and now it sounds as a movie should with high end gear. I might have lost common sense here, but thats the fact, I need large to get sound right. My gear is X7200WA, SB4000 and RTiA7 Polks with bigger center.
Thanks for sharing the experience. It's not a hardened rule to run "small" with a subwoofer considering the other factors involved. Ultimately, whatever sounds best to you is what matters most.
I found the video both helpful and confusing. My new Sony 5.1 AVR forces all my speakers to Large when I run the auto setup. The video seems to say that the AVR won’t divert anything to my subwoofer, but the subwoofer still plays. I took your advice, changed all my speakers to Small, and set the crossover for each speaker a bit above the claimed frequency response. Happy camper!
Thanks for the comment. We didn't mean to say no output would be diverted to the subwoofer, just that the speakers would not have to play as low, so they can focus more on mids and highs, which generally produces better dynamic range our total output.
Very good information as usual, I have to say that I'm more than impressed with the customer service provided by Svs. You guys do an amazing job, my emails are answered within a few hours at most and the information is always very clear and informative.
Thanks for the props Richard, we take a lot of pride in our customer service.
Denon fnally got rid of the "small" vs. "large" terminology that confuses beginners. At least they did it on their mid-level products. On my x4800h the latest firmware update gives us a crossover menu with the normal descending frequency choices but the lowest one is now "full range" meaning no crossover. Way more intuitive. No "small" or "large." Thanks Denon!
Thank you for this video. I had wondered what the small and large speakers setting was without ever finding out. Your video has just told me exactly what it means.
I was fortunate to speak with Ed Mullen when I called SVS support department. Ed gave me detailed information on each aspect of my AVR set up in conjunction with my SB12 NSD subwoofer. I had purchased a set of B&W 607 to use as the surrounds, with his input I was able to make those speakers play with the rest of my speakers enveloping me in the surround sound. My AVR's EQ system did not work properly and he recommended I purchase an SPL meter that aided in the adjustment of the sound levels. Ed thanks again.
Thanks for the comment, Ed's an amazing resource and we're fortunate to have him on the team.
This just opened my eyes. Thank you!
this was very informative, i'm someone who will now set his speakers properly. Thanks.
Very informative!... that is why I set my Pioneer A/V receiver speaker setting to small for front, center & surround channel, and a subwoofer to YES... And it sounds best! Not only that, the sound quality especially the bass really very satisfying!
Glad it was helpful!
@@SVS_Sound Thanks! I've tried setting large for front speakers and small for a center, surround, and Subwoofer setting to PLUS...which also sounds louder and good bass. But the quality is not satisfactory. That's why the real best configuration is setting the front, center, surround to small and all the bass will come out to subwoofer thoroughly. That's where it sounds really great!
Very educative video. I use Sony DH 550 AV receiver. I do not have an active subwoofer so instead I have a separate Amp, Sherwood Ax 4050r which acts as my subwoofer amp for the two 12 inch passive speakers I have. I followed the instructions here and set the Sony AV receiver speaker settings to small, and cross over to 80hz. The Sound from the Sherwood amp is amazing. The bass from the 12 inches speaker is deep.
Glad it worked out!
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Great vid. Looking forward to having a play when I return home. Thanks for the valuable info.
I set it up with large speakers and they are large anyway bass is deep enough the result is very good. Of course add a sub will put lower end to the sound and brings a powerful sound
Thanks Ed and Nick. Appreciate the content.
Wow Thanks SVS this is info that needs to get out there, extremely valuable!
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting. I always set the crossover in my receiver to 80hz. I thought anything below that would be sent to the sub.
It depends on the combination of speakers and subwoofer really. The bookshelf speakers I have on my desk with my PC start rolling off at 140Hz, I have the crossover frequency set to 95Hz so it doesn't make a weird hump or dip in the frequency response. It's typically not a hard cut-off but more of a slope from the crossover frequency.
Thanks guys, this is very helpful indeed! So glad I watched this video. No wonder my amp was overheating and shutting down. Great work!
Time for a bigger amp!
@@Metalhead-4life So true, but I couldn't afford one, so I got a pair of AC Infinity fans and that solved the problem. best 60 bucks I ever spent!
Great info! Thank you! I've got the Klipsch RF7-IIIs and RC-64 III up front, and even have those set to small. The 2 PB-16s I think are happy to handle the low end for them. The towers are handled by an Anthem amplifier (not receiver), so I let them go down to 60hz. So far so good!
Nice setup! been wanting to upgrade my KLF30's to RF7III's. Also been wanting to upgrade to a new model Anthem reciever. SVS is great but I got my THX ULTRA II Subs on accommodation from Klipsch so I've stuck w/ them.
Klipsch's new Subs look to give SVS a run for their money!
@@Metalhead-4life yes! I'm waiting to see these reviews for the new subs! If they're anywhere near the SVS (let alone better?), It will cause a major shift in the Market I think. Can't wait to hear them.
I only have 2 fronts for now at large setting. Sounds great . I’ll change them to small once I add an SB2000. Thanks for advise
makes a big difference in the way you set your speakers freq independently in a system
My two front speakers are from Definitive Technology with built in active subs. They sound better when I run them at full band sending some LFE signal to them as opposed to small and setting a crossover point. Every other speaker is set to small with crossover points.
Every should try for themselves but generally, you don’t want to set speakers to large unless those speakers have built in active subs.
I also have Definitive Tech Bp 2004. I set the Subwoofer mode to LFE Only also set them as full band and set large. Do you think its right?
Why not just set the cross over at around 60 hz or maybe even 40 hz? Send the lowest notes to the sub.
@@dperr338 because it doesn't sound as good.
I have my CV! SL 15s set to large because the go to 28hrz and do as good or better than my 2 subs. everything else set to small and crossovers set to the standards. So I get basically 4 subs and it is awesome. I have an external power amp for the fronts to take the load off the receiver giving my surrounds plenty of headroom, my receiver runs nice and cool. The SL 15s are really great fronts on a surround system, and for 2 channel music, WOW they rock. Sorry I don't mean to plug another speaker brand. My main point was big speakers that go low, I like set on large, you get some great sound effects/bass. You're subs are nice, if/when I upgrade ill definitely check you out. Good video!
I've found my Monitor 70's sound much better (to me) when in 2 channel full band mode since I added an external amp. I have an Onkyo TX-NR 809 that does pre-amp duty. Found an Adcom GFA-5500 on ebay, and the difference is night and day. With this amp pushing 200 wpc, the subs aren't needed for listening to music, and the bass is sufficient enough for me. I leave the front LR speakers in full band, and crossed over the rest at 80Hz for movie and tv viewing so the subs kick in. No SVS sub yet, but I'm running Polk Monitor 60, surrounds, JBL E10's, surround back, Velodyne DPS12 in the front, and a PolK PSW110 behind the couch. The surrounds and center channel are powered by an ancient Carver AV405 - so the stress on the Onkyo is minimal. Sounds great for a modest system.
Using multiple subs for bass is proven to better for bass in within small room than floorstanding speakers.
Thanks guys, I recently set up my home theatre this was very helpful
Great tutorial guys, especially people new to the hobby.
Boy is this good information. Now I've got to set all my speakers to small.
Great Presentation... I'm locked in now...
I am surprised to see the thumbs down as he is Absolutely correct.
It's not a misconception, it's a misnomer. Should be called Full Band or Cross-over enabled. So the industry caused the misconception.
I see most people seem to recommend crossover set 80 hertz...anything to be gained by moving crossover higher up..say 100 to 120..thanks for any advice..
anyone? Please!!
Yes, if you have smaller bookshelf or satellite speakers that can't play very low, you can set the crossover higher so the subwoofer handles a greater range of bass frequencies.
thanks for this post. Sony never did discuss this in their user manual. 👍
Inshort, small setting applies to having a subwoofer and large setting applies to a channel for full band
Thank you so much for a such a valued information and letting me enjoy my sound system! Optimally 👍
Glad we could help!
Good video. Should probably touch on LFE+Main, though.
Thanks, we touch on that briefly in the blog post we wrote with it. www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/should-speakers-be-set-to-large-or-small-on-an-av-receiver
LFE+Main is garbage and they will interfere with eachother, especially if you have a good quality subwoofer setup. It's very simple, your subwoofer is made better for bass, so let it do it and do it only. Allowing a combination of bass to both subwoofer and mains never yields a better result.
Good point
Currently I have my servo sub crossed at 40,and surrounds set at large via auto set up ,my towers will go down below 30hz,and surrounds I think go to around 38hz,,also this is in a small room,,10x12,,,
And auto eq off,
I going to test and change the speaker size ,,
Thanks for the tip
This is good information cuz some people don't know this good job guys just keep up the good work..I appreciate this a lot
Great info. I purchased a 5.0 speaker system a month ago and am learning. My first surround system powered by an older, basic Yamaha 5.1 receiver. My Klipsch R620F loudspeakers & Jamo S 803s (used as wall mounted rears) have enough bass for me that I don’t want a subwoofer. I have a small Jamo center channel 71Hz to 26 kHz with 4” speaker that sounds kind of thin set to small.
When I calibrated my system from my sitting position with a mic it boosted all the Jamos to 6-10db higher than the Klipschs, put the crossover frequency at 60kHz, and set all the speakers to large. I have to admit everything sounds fuller and there is more even crossover and soundstage.
I only reset the crossover to 80kHz because I thought that was the Dolby standard. I have 1 crossover setting which is not individualized on each speaker.
Anyway, I know this is long winded but if you have any advise it would be much appreciated. I don’t plan to buy any new gear this decade. I just want to optimize the sound of what I have. Thanks for any response. Great channel!
Trust the auto calibration over the THX standard. Then adjust based on the receivers recommended settings if something sounds off.
So I have two pairs of bookshelf speakers in the middle and a Slightly larger pair mounted in the corners of my wall I think I might leave those ones at full range because they’re higher and further away and we can play bass pretty well anyways
I'm stuck, I have an DENON AVR 2700H and I've set them to large and small, and my passive Bose AM10 sub is having problems getting deep bass.
I've just changed my AVR 2000 Denon which I had set up perfectly. And I can't understand where I'm going wrong.
Drop our support team a note at custservice@svsound,com and we may be able to help.
Great stuff. 99% of the time set them to small and dry a crossover freq. I need to get my SVS sub fixed. Been way way too long not being used ;(
Nice Video guys that opened up for me a question:
i got 2 B&W 801 series 3 (they were used in an editing studio as monitors and got them for free) as left and right speakers for a 5.0 setup at the moment is it worth to buy a subwoofer or are those speakers to heavy to place a subwoofer next to it. And if the answer is yes what kind of subwoofer should i get?
Thanks
Hi Ronald - I'm not familiar with those speakers so if you don't mind sending a note to our support team (custservice@svsound,com), they will get back to you within 24 hours with recommendations.
@@SVS_Sound Thanks, i've send them a mail
Crossovers on mains is set to 40hz and large, ( Audussey ) and they are on a separate amplifier. Why would i need to switch to small?
Nice overview !
I heard the ultra bookshelfs once , and for the small amount of time i was impressed with the detail , I'm a newer reviewer , who would love to review one of your alls smaller subwoofers in a 2ch set up with the ultras .
I can dial them in last subwoofer how 2 video has about 107k reviews .
Thanks again SVS for the video .
Thanks for the video. What I really need to know now, is whether or not to use my single sub pre out (Denon 3806) to one of the L or R "input 2" inputs on my sub (YST-SW160), OR, and maybe this could help against signal degradation, go 6ft from the AVR to the sub's speaker terminals, then 6 ft to the front speakers, instead of 12 ft from AVR to speakers.
Just might run into issues where the sub isn't detected or something... I don't really know what I'd have to deal with if I didn't use the dedicated sub pre out. The sub pre out seems easier, but relaying from the sub could be an elegant alternative, and maybe with a little crossover finesse it would sound just fine and I wouldn't ruin anything... idk. I keep going back and forth.
EDIT: Hmm, something you said about the receiver having to work harder may apply here as well. I'd have to send a full range signal to power the sub if I don't use the "Input 2" (line in??) maybe? Would that bypass the subs internal amp or something? I'm probably not painting a very clear picture here... Well, I guess if I have the speakers set to "Small," it would limit the power sent to them, but then, since the sub is sharing a connection at the speaker terminal... it wouldn't be getting the proper frequency sent to it? Or maybe I can run a subwoofer cable to the sub for the low end, but relay/daisy chain the speakers from the subwoofer terminals just... because maybe that's better than running a long speaker cable. (Basically, would the signal be boosted at all degraded less by going through the powered sub rather than skipping it with long speaker cables?)
Really hard to find information... I guess there's endless configurations...
Awesome video. Explained very well with no bull in between.
Good to see that Denon finally got rid of the lame "small" and "large" settings in their AVR menus. Instead everything is merely specified by frequence and routing. Don't know about other brands.
Great explanations, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I understand why I should set all my speakers to small and the receiver crossover point to 80 but... when I use ypao mic to setup my Yamaha RX V473 receiver it changes all the speakers (except the center channel) from small back to large and crossover back from 80 to 120.
The Yammy receiver is connected to Onkyo SKF-4800 floor-standing front speakers, Onkyo SKC-4800 center speaker, Infinity reference 5.5'' bookshelf rear speakers on stands and Sony SA-WM40 subwoofer.
Do you think I should change all the speakers back to small and crossover to 80?
The speakers need to be changed to Small after you run YPAO set-up in the Yamaha. Your AVR does not have the ability to set individual crossovers for each channel. They must all use the same crossover. 80 Hz will work fine for all of your channels. This is one of those situations where the exception might work better - so you can try setting the fronts to large, enabling double bass (typically referred to as Plus/Extra) and then setting all of the other channels to Small with an 80 Hz crossover.
@@SVS_Sound thank you for your reply I do appreciate your advice and funny enough I have been trying front speakers set to small and large with a crossover at 80 how do you say it depends on what you're listening to cheers
My towers and FH and surround are all “small” with good Receiver. Then on music i use “pure direct” let the nice tower speaker do their thing.
Recently had SVS on the phone and after all these years 30 + found out my speakers were set wrong. Can someone eplain after the speakers are set to small how do you determine what Hz to choose? And Please explain what Hz is and does for that speaker. Example 80Hz vs 60 Hz. Thank you.
I have older 12 inch four way speakers in all four corners of my Atmos setup. They’re really good older speakers. JVC sealed in the front and Cerwin Vegas ported in the back. This video may explain why I smell them cooking during massive bomb explosions lol. I will continue to let them die in glory, but I’ll also probably change my settings to small once I have to replace them lol
Haha, a true multi-sensory experience. Good call.
Hi! Nice and informative video. How about if your front speakers has built in subwoofer. Do you still set the speakers into small and LFE+ Main in your reciver for bass management? And also is 250hz setting and 120hz for subwoofer is a right crossover for front speakers with. built in subs.Please help. Thank you!
Hi SVS!😊 wrote a comment on a different video, but I'll try on this one as well.
I'm currently on the market for purchasing a small compact subwoofer for my apartment. I've considered many brands, but landed on SVS. I'm currently looking at the SVS SB-1000, but my question is. Are you guys planing on making a similar sub, but with a 10" driver, to make the cabinet even smaller? Cheers
Hi Kristoffer - I thought we answered in the comments of the other video, apologies if not. No immediate plans for a smaller 10-inch driver subwoofer. SB-1000 will remain our most compact model for the near future.
SB-1000 is really compact and the LFE you get is simply amazing, I don-t think there's anything similar to it in the maket. I highly recommend it.
SVS Thanks for the response!
wow.. thank you. would of been a lot easier had the manufacture just said with or without subwoofer or put a cutoff range in the crossover
Hello! Please tell me, I have two SVS PB-2000 pro subwoofers, I want to set the correct parameters in the application, but I don’t understand much, so I would like to ask two questions. 1. Is it possible to change the settings in the app on two subwoofers at the same time? There is a problem adjusting one when both are playing, no change can be heard 2. maybe there is a video explaining what the tabs mean and what they affect. 3. I have a dali opticon 8 front, - what sound parameters would you recommend for your subwoofers, small or large speakers? 4. how much to put the crossover on the speakers and subwoofer? I have a Denon AVC-A110 amplifier. Thank you in advance!
Hello SVS,i have a question. I have 2 subwoofers from Klipsch,SW 112,and 2 PSB Stratus bronze,and 2 PSB Stratus silveri,and 2 bookspeakers,Yamaha NS. Should i have my speakers to small.
Thank You for the answer. 😃
Yes, set to small.
Dear SVS, I have a pair of Prime Bookshelfs as LR, an Ultra Center, a pair of Prime satellite along with an SB-1000. My receiver is an X2600H. I have my LCRs as Large and the crossover set at 80Hz for the whole system. Should I change them to small? Thanks!
Yes, set LCR to small. You may notice it opens up the mids and highs a bit more. 80Hz should still be fine for front LCR, though you should bring Prime Satellites to 90 or 100Hz. In the end, trust your ears and go with what sounds best.
@@SVS_Sound Thanks!!
Hi svs I have the polk xt range speakers and svs sb1000 my room calibration sets my crossover at 100hz and large , should I set to 80 hz and small and for the subwoofer should I st phase to 180 and stay in the lfe mode.
I'm running the Sony STR-DN1080 when it's set to large it's a bit too chesty for me. Usually people would run small speaker crossover between 120-100hz. I'll set it down 60hz and the mids are still really clear.
Hi im planning for the same amplifier, but i don't know much about speakers. Which speakers are you using, can i connect normal home theater speakers to sony str dn 1080?!! Does that sound good?!
@@ahambhramasmii Yes normal speakers are fine. i have Polk R50 mains R150 surrounds and heights CSR center PSW10 subs.
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What do you think about sony bdve6100, do they sound low if i connect these 5.1 to dn1080?!
Thks for explanation .... my Denon X3600H config my Dynaudio M20 to be large speakers with 40Hz crossover
Thanx for the advice guys
Just got a nice 5.1.2 setup and this was really helpfull, thanks!
I just ordered the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, That Center Speaker is pretty powerful with a built in 8" subwoofer and 10"upward-firing passive radiator for low bass, But I already have 2 Svs Subwoofers, Should I run the CS 9080 Center Speaker in Small or Large to take advantage of the Subwoofer in the center channel?
We would recommend small. Passive radiators generally aren't as quick with transients compared to powered drivers, so you may notice smeared bass notes. That said, it's worth trying both since we haven't heard this specific combo before.
@@SVS_Sound Got it thanks for the advice
Wondering if you might make a video to comment on this if there is something interesting to say - when setting the receiver to 'large', I get the option to specify if the subwoofer should or shouldn't be playing in addition to to the main speakers, both playing throughout their full range. What are the pros and cons to such an option
Thanks for the suggestion, we'll work it into our planning.
As much as I'm trying to hear the "small" as better I can't :D I really have to set my Yamahas NS-300 as large guys. In coming days I will try some more content with more volume, maybe I spot some better midrange, but none so far with rather low listening volume (should be most obvious I think but maybe I'm wrong). Maybe I will feel like I lost power in mids/highs under higher listening volume, well let's see !
Very informative! Thanks guys.
Good to know about this topic.
On my 48 year old Marantz 2230 I just hook up the speakers then listen, and somehow it still sounds better than any AVR ever made in the past, present and future. They don't make them like that anymore.
Nice video..ive always wondered about this. Please advise if all in one systems with built in blueray and amplifier are as good budget end as seperate amps?
Typically the all-in-ones lack the level of detail and deep bass extension you would get from buying a separate speaker system and pairing with an AV Receiver.
I have a harman kardon with 7,1. The back sorround left , sometimed sounds like its broken. I guess becose i set the receiver on large to. Great info. I will put them back to small
Wow - never knew this either. Thank you for this clear explanation. 👍👍
very informative, I always thought it was related to size of speakers !!!
It kind of is. Larger speakers have a better chance of producing low frequencies. But it is making an assumption instead of basing it off of what is important.
What's the recommended crossover for the Prime Pinnacles?
Thanks, great explanation
Nice vid, I have a Klipsch towers and center with surround speakers. I don’t have a sub. Should I set them to large or small? Or does it set it automatically? I also have a pioneer elite receiver. Thanks again
Set to large if the AVR doesn't do it automatically.
So i have bp9080x towers front/ cs9060 center and bp9060 for back surround along with 2 svs pb1000*love them btw*. Should i be setting my speakers to small with a cross over at 60hz on the speakers? Im new and confused. Also with a split subwoofer set up (one front and one back.) Should the rear sub have the phase set at 180? Love your products and thanks in advance for your suggestion.
Definitely set to small, you probably want to keep crossover at 60Hz for the mains and 80Hz for the center and back surrounds since they can't play as low. For the phase, I would only adjust if you're noticing the bass is out of sync. It really depends on your room and the distance.
I bi amped my B&W tower speakers with settings to ‘large’ with enhanced bass from my Nad T778. With this full range setting the sub still receives some bass. Setting on ‘small’ these towers sound very thin while the bass on the sub kicks in very late… any solution for this?
Haven't heard of this happening before. Please contact out tech support experts and they can help you understand what the issue is - custservice@svsound.com.
Use the LFE + main for your sub setting if you have that option. Large for you main speakers.
Hello I was wondering if you would be willing to share some advice, I have a Sony ah590 AV receiver, I have two cerwin Vega XLS 15 main speakers, one cerwin Vega XLS center channel speaker, and one cerwin Vega XLS 15 powered subwoofer, should I set speakers to large or small and what crossovers do you recommend or any other settings to get the best sound thank you for any help
I have FOCAL ARIA 926 and MARANTZ SR 7015 ,CROWN 1502 for power.
On HOME CINÉMA ,small,60hz but on HIFI i prefer large + LFE ,normal ?
Yes, that is typical for a HiFI and home theater setup.
I have set my speakers as large , 60 hz , i use lfe + main , lfe 80 hz , that sounds the best . I use extern amps to power my lcr , but when i set my speakers to small and only Lfe. The bass is not clean , and muddy ... explain that pleas . Crossover is 60 hz for L&R , 80 hz for surrounds and 90 hz for atmos . Thanks in advance
I do the same. The music sounds better using large rather than using small with my semi big tower speaker. Believe me, I've gone back and forth in tesl time like a mental case and small takes that last bit of punch out of the sound. Atleast with music! And yes I have dual subs so it's all based on the person's system.🤗😉😇
For me, setting my front tower 15" speakers at large works the best, that way the bass sounds great and I don't have to push the sub to the max.
@@princesunnyboy
Totally agree!
Here's some useful information:
Fronts set to Small and subwoofer mode LFE:
• A high pass filter is applied to the fronts at the crossover frequency.
• A duplicate signal is sent to the subwoofer and low passed at the crossover frequency.
Fronts set to Large and subwoofer mode LFE:
• The fronts get a full-range signal.
• The crossover for the fronts is grayed out and shows ‘full band’.
• The subwoofer gets no signal for the front channels.
Fronts set to Large and subwoofer mode LFE + Main:
• The fronts get a full-range signal.
• The subwoofer gets a duplicate signal for the front channels - hence the term ‘double bass’.
• The crossover for the fronts becomes available - but it’s not actually a crossover at all - because the fronts are still getting a full-range signal. It is the low pass filter setting for the double bass signal being sent to the subwoofer. This is confusing for most users and is not well explained anywhere by the AVR manufacturers.
Usually Large/full-band with double-bass enabled results in phase cancellation issues between the fronts and the subwoofer, because they do not have the same phase response over the bandwidth they are sharing. There are exceptions to every recommendation - so if your system sounds the best with large/full-band and double bass enabled, then by all means continue to use it.
The LPF/LFE should be set to 120 Hz. This is the low pass for the LFE .1 channel on the soundtrack and has no bearing on the speaker/subwoofer crossover frequencies. If there is content in the LFE .1 channel above 80 Hz, your current setting will attenuate that information. The historical standard for sound engineers mixing content into the LFE .1 channel has been an upper limit of 120 Hz
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Very, very helpful thanks!
Great review by the way but I do have a separate question to don't we are most I have a slanted ceiling what style as speakers would be great for Adobe at most last year I not I do not think about it I cannot take back the in ceiling speakers I purchased on Clarence About 4 of on my do not want to waste that are obviously do I make a Box? 2nd question is which is a good Marantz's 8 0 12 or a Dennon 6500 for 11.2.4 surround.
No totally sure what you're asking, but the SVS Prime Elevation speakers can be mounted on a ceiling and provide more dynamic output and deep bass than in-ceiling speakers. For an 11.2.4, go with the 8012, you'll want the extra power.
@@SVS_Sound
I purchased 4 in ceiling speakers however I have a slanted ceiling I understand you guys have Have at most Speakers how would I use the in ceiling speakers on a slanted ceiling do I need to build a Box or can I just point the direction of the speaker to where I need it to be
Very educational video thanks great job 💯
i have sony ss cs3 floor tower speakers should i set those to large or small manual says they rate at 45hz-50khz. i also have a definitive pro 1000 center speaker and a klipsch r-100sw 10inch subwoofer.
Okay.....? Well, I might be over thinking this. But, what happens if there is over lapping bass signals coming from the LCR and LFE channels? That poor subwoofer must get really confused. There is only so much distance a speaker can move to produce each sound. Seems like it would make more sense to have a powered woofer on each front channel, set them to "large" and place a filter between woofer and the speaker. I'm thinking something like ToidsDIY DINAS speakers. toidsdiyaudio.com/2019/05/18/the-dinas-do-i-need-a-subwoofer/
Great questions. You actually want some overlap of the bass signal between speakers and subwoofer to ensure a smooth transition. That's why it's generally recommended to set the crossover 10-20 Hz above the rated low frequency extension of the speakers. SVS subwoofers have DSP engines that ensure a smooth blend. That said, the alternate approach you mentioned can also be used, but generally only in 2-channel setups.
@@SVS_Sound Thank you for the advice.
My Yamaha ypao set the speakers to large and the subwoofer at 40hz.
My ears tells me that at large it sounds better more open sound but the lows are no defined. At small configuration its the opposite, good bass more boxy sound.
Im using dali zensor 7 and the sw also dali e12f
You really saved me time, I have already been reading about speaker size settings and crosstalk setting for the last few days and getting no where. However you didn't discuss crosstalk settings - if I decide to set all my speakers to 'small', what hz do you recommend? 40hz, 60hz, 80hz
It depends on your model of speakers, but generally speaking, you should set about 10Hz higher than the rated low frequency extension of the speakers.
Really good information guys, but can you tell me if you plan on making a PB 18" ultra that has the excursion of the PB3000, the force of the 16ultra and the wattage of the sun?
Thanks! Not anytime soon, the PB16-Ultra will remain our flagship subwoofer for the indefinite future.
What if your speakers are say (3 way 15s) 101 sensitivity that play down to 29hz? Still put them on small? I want the 15s to blend with the PB4000 better so you cant localize the sub as much. I just got the sub for Christmas so all play around with my RTA and REW and see what blends better and works best. SVS is top notch . Thanks
That's an interesting setup. It comes down to whether you want more power for the mids and highs with your 3-way 15s and whether you're noticing localization a with the speakers set to small. If so, Large may be the better option. RTA and REW will be really helpful.
That's a real good info though. My AVR is set to Small for front speakers now on.
But whats the differences if any IF your only concerned with music and not movies. I watch almost lil to no movies on my avr. Running your svs 4000 sub with marantz sr7007 7.1 With definitive techs that are self amplified in the bass speaker as my mains. I like alot of tight crisp kick drum bass in my music btw