NIR Heat Lamps VS LED Red Light Therapy Bulbs - Facts and Myths
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- The Red Incandescent Heat Lamp, also known as 250 Watt heat lamps, chicken brooder lamps, and NIR lamps offer a great form of "red light therapy"
But it is important to separate the facts from the myths perpetuated by companies trying to skew the science to sell incandescent heat lamps.
Here is our full review of 250W heat lamps!
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The problem is, the IR bulbs are cheap so that manufactures can't big money on the massive NIR light craze as they do on the pricey IR LED light arrays. Second, IR ALWAYS produces heat in the cells if the IR is strong enough - close enough. The research may be FUNDED by such companies making the expensive LED arrays; so it may be biased (just saying). I have the RubyLux lamp and feel the IR deep in the skin and tissues while keeping it at distance, like 2 to 3 feet (nice so that it can be located behind me out of view while providing good exposure). The LED arrays have to be within inches to be effective. The science is simple (see link): NIR benefits us; the source is fairly irrelevant as long as it is similar to the NIR from the SUNSHINE. Here's the rub, I recently developed low level cataracts over my entire eye lens (both eyes); and I suspect the heat or something related to the NIR RubyLux did it. Not sure. It took six months for this to happen (I'm in my 60s). I'm in the process of switching to a night-vision NIR (850 nm) illuminators (like those used in security and hunting - they're very affordable), that way I'm not being exposed to bright red light distracting my eyes when it is reflecting off my PC screen (the RubyLux sets behind me); and will wear eye protection regardless. We'll see. NIR is hugely beneficial since I'm indoors! It kept me from getting sick this Winter for the first time in a decade! It helped to bring rapid healing to my plantar fasciitis (left foot) and knee joints as well (I was taking some collagen to help as well).
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I initially bought the ruby reds based on the great reviews, but after seeing your review graph I went to tractor supply and found the producers pride bulbs for only $5 a bulb vs the $32 for the ruby reds. The clamp reflector is $12 so for $17 total per light it's a great value.
"producers pride bulbs" is a commercial label? One must be careful that the lamps are not only red BUT that have UV filters. From my research only one (big) company (OSRAM) gives spectra, and I doubt the validity, as I have seen actual measurement ( i have links if one is interested) and the OSRAM data look fake to me : idealistic black body curves with a bit of filtering. There should be more regulation I think. The leader of the market (Philips) does not provide spectra at all! As for the LEDS: it's a new field, I would be extremely cautious of cheap knock-offs.
@@enalaxable Which ones are not, "knock offs".
I bought a 2 red lamp (incandescent) (red heat lamps) on my 2nd use & as I am watching this video wondering why i get a INSTANT HEADACHES when i turn it on 😭and do the 30 min time limit.😭 I am actually turning it off & listing it on Facebook marketplace today.👎 BIG THUMBS DOWN FROM ME👎
The unit is the kind you see all over the internet at $150 to $300 they are all white and you can put water or rocks in the bass so it doesn't tip over , it's remote control & has a 2 foot chrome telescopic pole in the middle. On a side note the heat they put out was very enjoyable, and you could even control the level of heat you wanted. But I'll pass on THE HEADACHES 😩 😭
@S I bought a 2 red lamp (incandescent) (red heat lamps) on my 2nd use & as I am watching this video wondering why i get a INSTANT HEADACHES when i turn it on 😭and do the 30 min time limit.😭 I am actually turning it off & listing it on Facebook marketplace today.👎 BIG THUMBS DOWN FROM ME👎
The unit is the kind you see all over the internet at $150 to $300 they are all white and you can put water or rocks in the bass so it doesn't tip over , it's remote control & has a 2 foot chrome telescopic pole in the middle. On a side note the heat they put out was very enjoyable, and you could even control the level of heat you wanted. But I'll pass on THE HEADACHES 😩 😭
After watching for 13 minutes I am completely convinced that the two are different from one another and that both are fine.
perfect for the colder months in fact, and in summer there's sun...
That is think is the bottom line. That they both work. Just which one is better?
@@Morese56 You'd never know it from this video! And that was my somewhat facetious point.
his point is they are both works.. but nobody knows which one is better@@Morese56
@workingTchr friend which one is best for healing muscles nerves,
Great video. Last month I purchased a RUBY LUX - A (and a brooder lamp) to get the benefits of NIR light therapy.
Reading the comments from people who were helped by NIR is really interesting.
Hey, thanks for your awesome videos and tests. I am learning a lot and I can that tell you are providing info without bias and without agenda.
On top of that your arguments are all very detailed and evidence-based.
(Can't order your products unfortunately because I live in Europe :) )
Sir, your content is great. Thank you. Clarifying many questions regarding light and therapies.
Awesome video. You provided all of the info I needed to purchase the correct lighting for my sauna. Thank you.
Thank you for speaking the facts! Much appreciated 🙏🏽
Excellent video! Thank you for such a helpful explanation!
Hi! Thank you so much for this video and sharing this knowledge!!!
This is very very helpful. Thank you. After comparing bulbs and infrared treatments, I think that the video Sunlight: Optimize Health and Immunity has it right. I believe that putting on sunscreen and clothing and sitting in the sun is the best and most affordable option. Good thing I live in Colorado with lots of sun.
I would only put sunscreen on if I absolutely couldn't avoid it. Lot stuff in there that's not good. If you're in the sun to the point that you'd burn without sunscreen...it's probably too much sun. And I'm Ginger btw, cannot tan, I just turn red.
sunscreen is filled with nasty stuff that you are baking in to your skin
please just build a tan yoy domt need sunscreen if you are smart
Agreed. Sun screen blocks the sun and most of it’s benefits
@@CerebralFriction You don't even get a little tan if your in the sun regularly for a couple of weeks?
@Sarnarath so I actually work construction and am outside a lot, I wouldn't say my skin gets insanely damaged from the sun (possibly because of my PUFA avoidence), but my skin just kind of gets a redening, nothing I would call a a tan.
Thank you for this 'non-partisan' review of red bulbs. Recently I stumbled across some website discussing infrared therapy for MILD brain swelling/chronic cerebral irritation post traumatic brain injury. Have you seen any EBP literature about that? I'm absolutely experimenting on myself....... so I'll have some anecdotal evidence soon :). Thanks again!
Please keep us posted!
surprised about all the new info provided. Thanks a lot ! didnt know that
Thank you so much for this brilliant and extremely helpful video! :)
I have both types, but the heat lamp is wonderful in the winter and I can get warm when the ground is covered in ice.
I bought a 2 red lamp (incandescent) (red heat lamps) on my 2nd use & as I am watching this video wondering why i get a INSTANT HEADACHES when i turn it on 😭and do the 30 min time limit.😭 I am actually turning it off & listing it on Facebook marketplace today.👎 BIG THUMBS DOWN FROM ME👎
The unit is the kind you see all over the internet at $150 to $300 they are all white and you can put water or rocks in the bass so it doesn't tip over , it's remote control & has a 2 foot chrome telescopic pole in the middle. On a side note the heat they put out was very enjoyable, and you could even control the level of heat you wanted. But I'll pass on THE HEADACHES 😩 😭
I like how the incandescent makes my back feel period.
So which type of led is better for the photobiomodulation ? Like which is good for skincare anti-age, then which is good for muscle healing? Near infrared and red or both?
For sleep therapy, which would you recommend, incandescent red or led red? Thanks.
Which one of the two has the most therapeutic effect aginst joint pain / general pain? Thanks
Do you have any information of where to find tall floor lamp stands to mount lights? Preferable with some height and angle adjustment?
Which one would you recommend for post collar bone fracture recovery? It would be used for shoulder joint paint and muscles around the shoulder and the arm muscles.
Dr. Michael Hamblin, PhD is an expert on red light therapy. Ari Whitten (who has written a book on RLT) has done an interview with him on YT. Highly recommend watching the interview.
Great video, thanks! I have built a small NIR sauna and was wondering; Does a UVA/B bulb drown out (or dilute) the affect of a NIR bulb if they are beside each other?
thoughts on TDP heat lamps which use Far infared tech plus minerals? thanks for the video BTW.
Is it safe to use an incandescent on your face...Can it damage your eyes or benefit them(Obviously when eyes are closed)????Thank You In Advance ✌️
i have rhuematoid arthritis in hands and toes mostly. my husband has neck and back pain . can you help me to determine which size and type would bring us healing. i bought a red bulb like you have in this video , 3 days ago. will this help or do i need other type
got a red light lamp do I need goggles to protect eyes? It is 660nm and 850 nm near infrared i can switch the from the 660nm red therapy to the 850nm near infrared and its 54W it has 18 bulbs looks like the 1 ur holding in ur left hand next to the wall... it gets delivered 2maro and I need to learn what to switch to or to use both at once, Dr.Dray is a creater on here she's a board certified dermatologist and says the studies show using both lights at the same time got most benefits I need to use thats good for skin and hair growth 🤔 glad I found ur channel 😊👍
What bulbs do you recommend for near infra red sauna? I heard the Ruby Lux were not great. From Dr. Wilson Would love you view! Thanks for the great video.
Here is my full review on heat lamps for sauna. I prefer the Philips brand.
gembared.com/blogs/musings/the-best-near-infrared-250-watt-incandescent-heat-lamps-for-pain-and-diy-saunas
I am still confused. So the heat bulb should be used for pain relief? What about skin benefits?
Can you help understand if LED based NIR, IR, FIR light therapy (for muscle recovery / collagen regeneration) is any better than Graphene based therapy wraps? Thank you.
The reason many "Influencers" in medical science (whom I follow) say toss LED lighting is because there is no NIR benefit as from them as with old school fluorescent and incandescent, not flicking issues (which can be a problem, however; depends on the LED driver quality; I'm a electrician - have seen the evolution of LED lights over the past 2 decades). Being indoors at work most of our daily hours is contributing to people getting sick more often (lack of Melatonin and vitamin D production as stimulated by NIR ranges of the sun and older light technologies). NIR and UV is essential to our health. So studies should be randomized DB, and not funded my manufactures (trying to confuse the simple NIR science) or their lobbied politicians.
Would the LED light be beneficial for hair growth? Could you use it with the lamp stand that you show there?
Castor oil for hair
Great video!
Another great video. Thank you for putting out this information!
Alright, thank you, but what applications do infrared have an advantage over LED for? Understanding that LED/non-thermal NIR is the option for photobiomodulation therapies, what are the applications for incandescent? I have been seeing studies around that seem to suggest that incandescent IR can actually cause skin damage (perhaps because of the excessive heat) and can have deletrious effects on inflammatory responses, cytokines etc. But where does it outperform LED? This simple information is surprisingly hard to get a clear answer about from a google search.
"This simple information is surprisingly hard to get a clear answer about from a google search." ...would you be interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge? I can let you have some nice beads for the today's special offer of only Manhattan Island.
I bought a 2 red lamp (incandescent) (red heat lamps) on my 2nd use & as I am watching this video wondering why i get a INSTANT HEADACHES when i turn it on 😭and do the 30 min time limit.😭 I am actually turning it off & listing it on Facebook marketplace today.👎 BIG THUMBS DOWN FROM ME👎
The unit is the kind you see all over the internet at $150 to $300 they are all white and you can put water or rocks in the bass so it doesn't tip over , it's remote control & has a 2 foot chrome telescopic pole in the middle. On a side note the heat they put out was very enjoyable, and you could even control the level of heat you wanted. But I'll pass on THE HEADACHES 😩 😭
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@@oneguysopinionyup7252wear sun glasses or tanning goggles
I wonder what the best regimen for a 250 Watt heat lamps. How long should I stay in front of it. It feels so great, I can stay there for way too long. I use it while on the computer. Its easy to gorget about. I use on my face.
My understanding from an old study was 20 minutes max. But that may be for a single area. I have mine set up as a vertical unit, and I sit on a stool which spins and just spin round. Research shows that the flickering and on/off exposure is helpful. They make purposefully flickering LED ones now.
Thank you for clarifying this!
Buying incandescent heat lamps, I've turned up my nose to the LED 'heat' lamps. Heat lamps?!! LED's don't give out heat.
Different kind of heat.
I'm sticking with incandescent heat lamps. They heat objects, not the air.
Actually feels like it's doing something. Warms up cold T-shirts a treat.
Thanks very appreciate
I found an interesting study, you can just put some water in front of the incandescent bulb and it will absorb all the unwanted wavelengths you will get the same spectrum as sun in the NIR spectrum this is probably the best solution to get a full spectrum of RED/NIR without any of the downsides.
Interesting. Can you share the study?
Or add steam to the room. I dare say that between the sun and ground level the type of gasses etc between it and us changes throughout the day. Ida also say that as the atmoshpere is perhaps toxic where chemtrails, sprays, pollutants in the air, is there really an issue with direct IR? Perhaps pure sunlight isnt so pure these days.
Ruby lux light came with googles like u would use for tanning bed. Can they damage your eyes?
Very informative video, thank you! Just a few additional thoughts from my side (scientist). The only "advantage" your LED devices seem to have is the presence of numerous scientific studies limited to a few wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum. Questions: why would anyone commission and pay for scientific studies on conventional red light bulbs that have been used successfully for decades? How likely is it that the wavelengths not studied or covered by LED devices do not also have postive effects on the human organism? Who ultimately cares about the definition of the neologism "biomodulation" and that it excludes heat?
I think your viewers and customers are solely concerned with the health-promoting effects and, by necessity, the initial cost. At least so far the energy costs are not so high as to make a significant difference for 250W+ at 20 min or so daily.
I listened carefully to your contribution and really did not hear a single relevant argument pro LED, even if you implicitly try to score with the scientificity IMO. Did I miss something?
No you didn't miss anything. LED setups give around 30-40 mW/cm^2 from 6 inches distance. A heat lamp is pumping out around 200mW/cm^2 from 18 inches! (when measured properly using a laser power meter) The heat is because there is a lot more of it. So a heat lamp is effective from a lot farther out. Incidentally sunlight emits 34.8 mW/cm^2 of light in the 600nm to 900nm range at peak.
@@millenniummastering Thank you very much for your answer!
I appreciate your contribution to this conversation but it seems to me that you did miss the point of this video. He was not trying to convince anyone that LED is better than incandescent. He clearly said that he was not promoting one over the other but just explaining the differences and I think he did that very well. He is very honest about his reviews. I have even heard him (in another video) call one competitor “a very good company“ implying that their products were top notch.
@@ANew-cs5vy I never commented on the video. Just answered Thomas's question.
@@millenniummastering Sorry, my comment was directed towards Thomas not you. I just touched the wrong reply button.
@gembaredllc Thank you for your video. I am not sure if I grasp everything; I am very new to all the science. Is there any other difference/benefit between/to the two lights except heat? I want to make a sauna but I also would love LED lights in it because of the skin benefits you get from the red light therapy. Would it be a good idea to combine these two lights in a sauna?
Light is a technical term for vibration. Infrared is a vibration spectrum.
Very informative. Thank you for explaining this so well. I was curious about where you purchased the lamp shown in this video. I have only seen clamp lamps for these heat bulbs that require E26 base and never a steel one like yours. Could you share where you purchased it or what it is called?
Watch this video he did where he talks about the lamp stand. Very informative: ua-cam.com/video/GxLOFRAeU8o/v-deo.html
Wow. Thank you
first of all thx for ur informative video ,
i would like to ask you if im planing to use LED to improve mood and hair growth , does it make the hair grow in unwanted areas ? thx
It could, but not as much as if you just target the desired area.
@@gembaredllc9115 i mean if i put the light on my face or neck will that mean it will stimulate hair growth on these area?
@@salah.composer it could
Hi, I just swapped out four NI light bulbs for four Hooga NI/Red light bulbs in my sunlighten “sauna”. It’s working like a charm and now I get the benefit of both NI and Red Light Therapy. Whew, that was an easy fix. Thanks for rating the bulbs and as better ones come out I will swap these out too. I wish I could afford a quality full body red light panel but it’s just not a viable option at this time. I’m wondering if adding more lights to the panel would give me any added benefit? Thanks for the info.
It’s a Sauna Space “sauna”
Which NIR light devices are good for various therapies like dementia, cancer, arthritis. Which companies are good?
While correct about the atmospheric-water absorption bands of sun light, there is another very rich natural source of light in those bands that humans have been exposed to for eons: light AND heat from a wood fire. Regarding the deeper tissues, we all have a water layer absorbing said wavelengths, we are 90% water after all. So, calling the incandescent light "unnatural" is rather misleading. I might add that for more that 100 years all light bulbs were incandescent (unfiltered), I hardly know of any adverse effect from those. One caveat for halogen lamps: they do emit a small dose of UV radiation, but for winter treatment of 10's of minutes, probably are less than 10min of summer sun UV exposure. Anecdotally: I find incandescent red-light ideal for winter, and LED lamps ideal for summer (being is a sunny area, I use it mainly for injuries). It would be either redundant, because of sun exposure, or actual torture to be submitted at 250W red incandescent lamp in hot weather, and probably with deleterious effects. Furthermore, I suspect that the 2 narrow wavebands choice in research was not dictated by some a-priori knowledge of specific biomodulation at those frequencies, but rather by the scarce availability of LED emitters for various bands! So, one would be justified calling those limited bands artificial! That being said, I understand that the specificity in LED bands might help researchers prove specific effects (good or bad) that otherwise be unknowable. For widespread usage though, I deem the full spectrum incandescent light the safest, for the extensive use via the sun and fire for millennia. NB basic caution 100mW/cm^2 is, not by accident! the same as the sun's irradiation at sea level, 1000W/m^2, 40cm away from a 250W red light is about that intensity. One risk, as with fire: avoid contact, it will burn skin easily.
Yep, good call. I use the foot test, the bottom of the feet held up to the sun, fire or lamp.
Interesting, and good points.
Some of the research I've seen was using halogen and the water filter.
I've seen where people have made their own "IR saunas" using halogen lights, with pyrex and water filters to block UV and the H2O sensitive wavelengths.
I tried that. It was fine, just very bright.
any link or foto of those water filters? might be a good idea for summer use of Red incandescent lamps. How thick are they should matter too. NB Risk of any droplet touching the red-hot lamps could lead to a spectacular blown lamp!. CIE uses such filters to define A illuminant and others too, by colored and stable chemical filtering.
too bright indeed, but from the waste down and use of welders glasses (UV filters !!) it's fine. Actually it's a good way to get vitamin D in the winter. I only wish the halogen laps came with spectra, to dose UVA UVB correctly, the glasses of the lamp but also of the fixture will affect the dose too. Another benefit of UVA : Liu et al. (2014) "show that UVA decreases blood pressure and increases blood flow and heart rate in humans, which is beneficial to the cardiovascular system. This is likely mediated by UVA causing release of nitric oxide (NO) from skin stores"
@@enalaxable the lamps were halogen, with glass shrouds (first layer of uv filtering) and were distanced from the Pyrex and water filters. You figure, 150W halogen shines pretty warm, but it's only on for 25 minutes or so. The Pyrex was there as a stable structure to hold a sealed plastic bag with water in it. I don't know what spectrum Pyrex passes, but they may have been a second level of uv filtering.
I used a Gerry-rigged version, horizontally, for a rotator cuff injury. Camera tripod with a clip on hardware/ trouble ight socket, with a halogen reflector flood bulb.
That focused a lot of light and was quite hot quickly, if I didn't have the water filter - a sealed plastic bag hung from another tripod next to my shoulder.
I had it set up may my computer, and I'd adjust it and then just work on my computer for half an hour. It was quite configurable. A bright, but gentle warmth, and I could tell the difference after treatment.
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Why not use a red glass filter, instead of the water? Is it possible to link a picture via Imgur or simillar service? Must be blinding the hallogen: water transmits most visible light.
150W with red filter at 30cm (12") is quite safe and pleasent I think, how far you have it from the RC joint? (it would be ideal if neck and scapula is treated at the same time , no?).
My concern is only with the water. How hot is it after say 20min of use? Glass usually does only cut a small bandlimited spectrum near1000nm. But water even 1 mm thick cuts huge amounts from 900nm and up, and most heat component. For trauma the moderate heat might be beneficial, in the recovery phase 1-2 days after injury.
Ironic fact: there is no study about cold being good in injuries, apart the pain mitigation and avoiding swelling only for a few hours after injury. Cold by limiting blood flow can't help healing. I apply NIR+heat the next day, with good results , so far.
@@enalaxable Red glass is a band-pass filter. The spectra passed is a function of the dyes/ impurities used to color the glass and the substrate of the glass. To find out the specific wavelengths, the specific piece has to be tested.
Clear glass passed visible into IR, blocking UV. That is the desired starting point.
We don't care about most of the visible spectrum, only certain Red wavelengths (action spectra), and IR.
Some bands of IR are highly absorbed by water. Those bands produce sensible heat in the tissues and lead to burning feelings.
The water filter masks those wavelengths that would cause the most discomfort in the skin, while passing the rest of the visible and IR spectrum.
With the given technology, that was the simplest way of getting the appropriate wavelengths for penetration and healing, without burning.
I bought a second hand 5-6inch diameter hand held light like the LED one your holding but its a very dim light with heat, its 760nm near infrared and 830 infrared 50/50. It didn't come with instructions and I'm holding it 5-6 inches from my face and then my neck for 10 minutes every day. I bought it for anti ageing benefits. At first it seemed to make my skin better but now after a couple of weeks my skin is looking worse as in dehydrated and more creases, older especially my neck! Is this the wrong device for skin rejuvenation or am I using it wrong? i use it at night before i put my retinol cream on. Help would be appreciated Thank you :)
You probably just overdosed it. Take a break for 2 weeks then when you start using it again only use it every other day.
@@gembaredllc9115 Thanks, so Im using the right device for skin? is 6 inches from my skin too close? its not very bright because its hard NIR which has only wave lengths. I heard that using green tea or red bush tea on the skin before gives antioxidants to protect from damage which can occur from free radicals, so started doing that. But yes Im taking a break now and just going to do my thighs for weight loss benefits instead for a while..
@@gembaredllc9115 Thanks, so its the right lamp for skin? yea it can cause free radicals i heard so best to use an antioxidant serum beforehand like green tea. Im going to take a break and use it ion the back of my thighs for fat loss and mild cellulite for two weeks.
Thanks you
great detailed video as usual.. glad I came across this channel..
what about the UV radiation? what are the difference between them? I know that any light bulb have UV radiation..but not sure about the led.
Very little UV from an incandescent, especially with the red filter glass.
Do you suggest we should only use heat lamp/incandescent bulbs twith stainless steel lamp like the one you have OR is it ok to use the lamps that come with it on Amazon?
I wouldn't trust anything from Amazon.
@@gembaredllc9115 Thank you, i can’t afford the LED panel at this moment and going for surgery soon and wanted to see if i can do anything in the meantime. Looks like i would save up to get the panel. Bauer brand is on Walmart too and that’s more affordable for me at this moment. Thank you for the reply
For incandescent heat lamps you need ceramic sockets. Plastic sockets will just heat up and crack.
@@gembaredllc9115 i am still waiting to see your products to be in stock again.
I never hear about use of tubular quartz heat lamps. Surely they would be useful, and less fragile, than reflector lamps? Whjat about IR domestic space heaters.??
Do you get the same Near Infrared Radiation with both LED and Incandescent?
I have a near infrared sauna that I use incandescent “heat” bulbs in. Are there any good quality bulbs at a good price point that do both medical grade red light therapy AND medical grade NIF heat lamp?
We reviewed some of the top in incandescent heat lamps here. As I correctly assumed in the video, an incandescent heat lamp is an incandescent heat lamp. No matter what marketing or medical claims a company might overlay.
So there is no point trying to replace your bulbs. Just enjoy what you have. When they burn out just go for Philips brand or if you really want to splurge get the Therabulb.
gembared.com/blogs/musings/the-best-near-infrared-250-watt-incandescent-heat-lamps-for-pain-and-diy-saunas
Do you have a review of best Medicinal LED red light bulbs that fit in the same outlet as the Sauna Space uses in there Sauna? (screw in)
Does the filament in an incandescent bulb have time to cool down enough to actually flicker we know that the energy AC has a positive negative pulse of 60 Hz
Yes, it is well known to flicker. Check a few of my other videos where I measure incandescent bulbs and recent ones where I measure healthy light bulbs.
Which LEDs do you receommend?
Thank u sir u saved me money your doing gods work I am goinyto buy me a red bulb from home depot
I do wonder if there are additional benefits in getting "wideband" IR similar to the sun's spectrum at sea level, vs the relatively narrow and discrete bandwidths that they have found emitters for in LEDs and lasers.
Incandescent bulbs is the only “natural” light bulb we have left, and they’re banning the sales of most incandescent bulbs in the US in July 2023 because the gods at the wef said so 🙄- apparently they just aren’t energy efficient, for THEM. No, they know that incandescent light is akin to sunlight and they can’t have you feeling better and enjoying OG light so they want you to only have synthetic light now. LED light is the counterfeit to incandescent, and I would challenge anyone on that. It’s not “real” light, it’s synthetic, meaning it does not emit light on the electromagnetic spectrum the same as sunlight and it it’s the very thing that’s giving us all headaches, blue light. We’re all buying blue light blocking glasses now because of all this dang LED infiltration into our lives and it is actually harmful to your health after a whole. It has the ability to actually bend and twist your DNA, so it’s vastly different from natural light. It’s possible to find an IR light with incandescent bulbs, but you’ll have to really search for it. Good luck! 👍 😊
I meant to add that I’m comparing “wideband” with full-spectrum lighting, and how the two compare with incandescent vs Led lighting. It somehow got deleted and it won’t let me edit for some reason so here’s my explanation lol.
@@HG-IN317 The heat lamps are still limited (I think) compared to the spectrum of sunlight.
You can find the spectrum at sea level online. Also, the spectrum passed through plexiglass/ Lucite fascinates me.
HARD cut off just above UV and below, and pretty much open in optical up into IRA, and of I recall, IRB.
There are some interesting videos on the importance of IR radiation on the body.
LEDs have some sweet spots at wavelengths that cells respond at, but I have to wonder how much we DON'T know about how cells respond across the spectrum.
Do you think you might start shipping to UK?
Looking for the silver lamp stand you use. Do you have a link for it?
Here is the link:
www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Restaurant-buffet-utensils-silver-food-insulation_60841647745.html?
I have a Sauna Space Sauna, is there a therapeutic grade LED red light AND therapeutic grade heat lamp combo light that I can use in my SSS that is reasonably priced? I would need about four or five bulbs. If the answer is yes can you also list some brands?
I tested some top LED bulbs and reviewed them in another video, and in this blog.
I would not advise using LED bulbs alongside incandescent bulbs in the same sauna. Since the LEDs could fail prematurely due to the heat and humidity of the sauna. Or if they use a plastic housing or lenses they could melt or offgass from the heat.
So ideally you either do ALL incandescent bulbs or ALL LED bulbs, but I wouldn't mix the two at the same time.
Also you are just going to sacrifice the "sauna" effectiveness for a marginal amount of LED light.
gembared.com/blogs/musings/the-best-red-light-therapy-bulbs-on-amazon-ultimate-review
@@gembaredllc9115 What I was hoping to do is have a red light therapy panel on my back side and a NIR lamp on the front side (and then turn after 10 minutes with a maximum of 20 minutes). Would that be ok to do?
@@luv2travel2000 that sounds fine. Just be mindful of how your body responds and adjust accordingly.
@@gembaredllc9115 Thank you. 👍
I don’t notice a flicker with the ICb’s I use. Just fyi. But then again what do I know😐
I'm wanting to try the reptiles ceramic bulb 150 watts. It doesn't emit light but FIR.
How did it go
@surferscollective613 great! It definitely helpes
Thank you for answering my question about incandescent versus LED!
I am looking for a little LED lamp, with minimum 630 mn, for skin Care use.
Do you have any suggestions for that?
How heat resistant are the red light therapy bulbs? Can I put a few red light therapy bulbs in my DIY NIR heat lamp sauna without destroying them?
I have seen some people use the incandescent heat lamps in a sauna, but it really depends on the rating for the lamp it is plugged into. I wouldn't put LEDs in a sauna since overheating them can diminish their usable life.
@@gembaredllc9115 Thanks for responding! Can you ship to Canada?
What should I change my house lights to? As in so I have a spectrum closer to late sun. I know its IR but whats a safe bulb to use and have on for a few hours at night.
Thanks!
I use a halogen heat lamp. I just googled it. Supposedly not much flicker with halogen. I really like mine. Beurer il 50. The Sanitas is probably the same, and there's a Chinese, Hangsun.
Nice! I also have a 500 Watt halogen work lamp. It seems like the higher the wattage, the less flicker in the Incandescent.
@@gembaredllc9115 I have a 650W equivalent halogen heat lamp as well. But it's got an egg timer, so a bit more noise. The bulb isn't user replaceable either, unlike the Beurer. I expect the Beurer will last a lot longer and I use it more. My big rig isn't sold anymore. I managed to get one, but I expect they are totally unavailable now. It's very soothing, even more so than Beurer because it covers a bigger area (a friend who tried it once fell asleep in her chair afterwards and got the best sleep in months that night). But positioned well, the Beurer is very user friendly and I recommend that type of lamp, regardless of brand as long as you can replace the bulb. They do burn out. I've replaced enough of them in other lamps to know.
For some applications, heat lamps might be better. The heat is its own effect, so for people who "run on heat" it might be worth trying.
For sure! It is definitely worth having a heat lamp and trying it for different applications. Some people might find they prefer it over LED.
@@gembaredllc9115 I prefer my heat lamp, but also use led.
@@annelisabethcom how do you use the heat lamp. How long and how far do you use your for? Thanks
@@NataliaDiazJackson I don't use it currently. I've switched to pad. Or also gets hot, some more than others. I still have the Bearer il 50. 30 cm away, 20 minutes timer, if I remember correctly. I would move a bit to expose the sides of my neck, for instance. The reason I switched was that I stayed in the tropics for a while. I couldn't bring the lamp and it would have been way too hot. I bought a pad and mini panels there.
Great Video man 💪
I have clesr infrared bulbs. White, not red. How does that compare to red incondesent?
I still can’t understand.
They sell LED lights, that's all you need to know.
The bigger red light is cheaper, warmer and works.
Join the crowd
SO APPRECIATE THIS COVERAGE, though I keep listening over and over but still dont know what THE POINT and DIFFERENCE is between the LED and incandescant bulbs!!! Too much word salad watering down your POINT.... Please can you just state which is better to make a DIY home infrared sauna?
The only bulbs I can get in AU which need to be 240v are Phillips infrared. Which is good I can get something but I really want far infrared so I actually sweat but you can’t buy in AU sucks so bad.
I just put a ceramic heater next to my red lights
Has anyone ever made a product that does the Walter filtration ??
Just because there are thermal aspects to incandescent doesn't mean there are non-thermal as well, right? Pretty sure people were getting their infrared and near infrared from campfires, wood stoves, and Sun light, and those are certainly thermal.
Hey there) can I use some red picture on my laptop? I mean how are those lights different from my laptop screen?
You mean to get red light therapy from a laptop screen? You usually need a lot more power and intensity to get a theraputic effect. As well there are specific wavelengths of deep red and invisible Near-Infrared that screens don't emit.
@@gembaredllc9115 Thank you, I thought my MacBook Pro screen was quite bright... and with the wavelengths I thought I can just google image that and take a screenshot of the needed part of red and then make it full screen, and full laptop brightness and just sit in front of that... Is it not going to work?
@@amystone2083 monitors only use a limited spectrum of RGB (red/green/blue) to create an optical illusion of color. It lacks the longer wavelengths of Red and NIR.
If the screen was bright enough to deliver theraputic effects then it would be too uncomfortable to use and could cause damage to the eyes with long term use. So I would doubt they would make the screen so powerful.
@@gembaredllc9115 Thank you a lot for your additional comment. I just use that "Night shift" protection from the white light from my screens on my MacBook and iPhone. I just thought that if the white light from the gadgets is considered powerful enough to influence / disrupt our sleep (as they write), then red light from them could be powerful enough to influence us in other ways. And I also thought that that app RedMed for smartphones offered something real, not placebo... but it's probably just my wishful thinking :)
@@amystone2083 Well it is good to use those screen filters like nightshift or F.lux or Iris - because our eyes are very sensitive to blue light and it will trick our circadian rhythm. Generally it is better for the eyes to use the red screen filters, but it won't be any theraputic power levels.
But that app would be quite misleading if it claims to deliver red light therapy through a screen. I will have to test it sometime and do a review!
Please can you help/advise? This video is 9 months old so you may not see this… but please any advice /info appreciated ..
My husband made me a Dr Wilson panel 4- 250 watt Phillips bulbs. I use it in a very small bathroom 150meterx150 and 2 m high, ceramic walls n floor tiles, … I sit about 50cm away and I do rotate, but man does it burn!!! My shins I see are pink/burned after? I’m told you can’t burn/harm skin with near infrared? And my face gets very pink, I’m told it is just blood to the surface.??!! Am I damaging skin if it’s too hot? Also…. I don’t sweat!? At least not yet, it’s January, cold in house. Bathroom in basement. I heard takes a while of doing before you sweat? Or won’t sweat at all?
Ohhh so please any info!? I was so looking forward to health benefits but don’t want to harm skin!?🤔
Move further away until you don't feel any burning sensation or skin discoloration. Or use less bulbs, maybe just 2 or 3. Perhaps add a standard space heater to heat up the air, that will help heat up and promote sweat.
@@gembaredllc9115 thanks much.. though I can’t move back too much further😬 small area in between wall and shower, I actually put stool in shower to get further.
Will less bulbs still penetrate down below enough for health benefits?
I wasn’t harming my skin was I? Does it actually burn/harm? Or just feels that way?
Thanks much!
@@maramergan5488 Better to start with less bulbs to let your skin get used to it. Heat lamps can certainly burn, trust what your skin is telling you.
@@gembaredllc9115 I appreciate your replies so very much, if you could answer one more question please and I won’t bother more… How do I find/buy the other big led bulb you are holding? I m thinking I can put those in the sockets and not burn!? And maybe when weather is warmer the room will heat up more and I get space heater and try to “sauna” a couple times a week and just do daily the led big non thermal bulbs!!!??? For photo bio modulation?!
What do you think? So the big question is : How do I find that big led bulb?
I will never pay $3-8000$ on a joov!!
Also what does “being grounded “ mean? I read ( I think in your blog🤔) they should be grounded to avoid too much emf?🤔 I
have the bulbs on a panel, is it grounded?
THANK YOU!
@@maramergan5488 we review LED bulbs here and have links to them. Most of them are around $40 each.
gembared.com/blogs/musings/the-best-red-light-therapy-bulbs-on-amazon-ultimate-review
This study showed that "... Testis tissue samples were stained with an H&E dye on day 4. A histopathologic examination was done at a
magnification of 200×. This showed that there were no changes in the cellular morphology following irradiations with a
670-nm diode laser but microhemorrhages occurring in some regions of the interstitial space following those with an
808-nm one." So it would seem that NIR does cause damage to skin cells as well? Im a bit worried as Ive been using it on my face daily for 25 min a day.
It looks like they were roasting some rat nuts with high-intensity lasers. It's completely out of context.
"30 male Sprague-Dawley rats (Orient Bio, Korea) aged six weeks, weighing 200 g. In rats of two laser groups, a 670-nm diode laser or an 808-nm one were irradiated to the testes at an intensity of 360 J/cm2/day (200 mW ´ 30 min)"
The effects of low level laser therapy (LLLT) on the testis in elevating serum testosterone level in rats.
Jin-Chul Ahn1,2, Young-Hoon Kim3 and Chung-Ku Rhee1,2,*
John I know this is a year old post on red light therapy but I noticed my skin getting older especially on my neck after using NIR and infrared 50/50 lamp 6 inches from my face 10 minutes every day. Hope i was doing it right I had no instructions. Anyway maybe that caused skin damage Im afraid to use it now...how did it go with your red light therapy so far? mine was a 760 NIR and 830 infrared hand held lamp. :)
Hi i got a question the led bulb used for therapy which you had in your hand i have bought the same and like your bulb it seems like only half the bulbs are on why is that can you please let me know.
Thank you
The Near-Infrared LEDs are emitting wavelengths that are invisible to the human eye.
What about lasers? Are they not considered far superior to LEDs for therapy? Is it possible to buy red light laser bulbs? Thank you.
Lasers have safety implications and are generally more expensive and harder to obtain. That is why LED is starting to be preferred.
I have the lamp with both NIR & FIR red LEDs but only the NIR LEDs are lighting up, is that normal?
I think you should look up the definitions, unless this a joke.
@@Frisenette FIR light is not visible to the naked eyes. I know that now lol
@@tommyh4116so a joke?
@@Frisenette No joke intended!
So you can see FIR since you wonder why you can’t see them?
What about halogen bulbs?
For knee pain, what should I be looking for? Any specific watts I should be looking for?
I would love to know the answer to your question too!!
Google kneesovertoes guy. Essentially walk backwards with load, or walk backwards uphill or up stairs.
I have the SaunaSpace bulbs. I feel like I got duped. I asked a SaunaSpace representative how their bulbs are infrared as they claim and they replied, “The filament of our bulbs is what produces the spectrum of our bulbs! The filament in our Thermalight is our patented design that produces 2-4x more irradiance than the average heat lamp bulb! The Thermalight bulb starts in the red light spectrum, has the full near infrared and mid infrared spectrum, and a majority of the far infrared spectrum.”
I am wondering with how you could advise me in an inquiring further, to see if their claims are based in reality?
He does a review on his website. Go check it out. Sauna space is a scam
Your ideas clash a little bit with those of Ari Whitton, but that’s not a bad thing.
Men can you say if this normal red light gave radiation and can be used for hair loss and on the face ?
so these make your body think you got sunlight when youre indoors so you can sleep better?
YOur mitochondria dont know they are inside.
thanks for the nice information! I just want to say that you come across as a very sweet, good person to me. I wish you a happy and healthy 2023🥰
Incandescent doesn't really flicker though! Maybe slightly pulsating but not a true flicker
Incandescent bulbs flicker according to all scientific definitions of flicker. High quality LEDs actually flicker less than Incandescent if they use a proper AC-DC driver.
I am seriously not trying to be a jerk but...help me out here....why do these cost so darned much??? A chicken light is $5 at any farm store. An LED setup is $200-$2000!!
Greed
Geesh I just bought 6 Rubylux pet bulbs. They say "Near Infrared Light Therapy Bulb PET COLLECTION Produces 716 mW/cm2 at 4” Away!" Well, well to call it NIR is misleading, right, I mean they are making it sound like it's all NIR? I was swayed by the 716mW/cm2 because the sentence makes it sound like that is NIR energy! But after watching this video I don't know!. It seems like a regular light bulb would have the same amount of NIR per bulb wattage as these ones with colored glass? Uggg. Tricked. Plus now I am worried about those unnatural spectrums. I tried one and I have to say it is nice and warm and looks great but what are those unnatural wavelengths doing to me. So ridiculous, I work 2 full time jobs I don't spend enough time outside but nothing beats the real thing.
Ceramic? Carbin?
incandescents never flicker, the AC power is already at near peak voltage by the time the filament would have significantly cooled down
If you have a solar cell and you try to put it near a led light it doesn’t charge. Incandescent light is able to charge a solar cell. Led is dead light.
Nice video, but Gemba itself similarly spreads the myth that LED penetrates as deeply as a laser which is nonsense.
GembaRed LLC is it a 250 watt infrared lamp?
Thanks
I like heat therapy better. It helps with circulation. Think in terms of sauna. I use a quartz heater (420 watt single element). I typically use after a shower so it has drying effect too. One drawback is dehydration if used too often.
seems very knowledgable, but had a hard time staying interested.