Guilbeau says a judge can order someone to be bound, gagged, duct taped, or removed from the courtroom. “They know better. They can be held in contempt and in this case, he got his mouth taped. He should have calmed down and done what she told him several times, in my opinion,” said Guilbeau.
Yes. Only melanin deprived people can be "mentally unstable". Since both of these suspects have an abundance of melanin, mental health just can't be a factor. 🤦🏾♂️
He's not "mentally unstable", he's simply never got a an azz whooping when he disrespected people. Got away with disrespecting others all his life. When he gets a life bid, and has say 5 or 6 years in on it, and realizes it when he's laying in his bed at 3 a.m. in his cell some night it's going to hit him; I'm never getting out. Then he'll be like wtf!! I know this because I did 17 years in various State prisons due to my former azzhole ways, and I knew young gangbangers, like them in prison. And it takes awhile for it to sink in.
Im tryna imagine them both........in Syria or Mosul (where the insurgency is still active)....tied up with orange jumpsuits, blindfolded and attached to them, a vest...not an ordinary vest.....while the Quran is being read.....
The look the punk defendant gave his defense attorney when he was said to have mental illnesses says it all. Those two deserve the stiffest of penalties for their act of pre-meditated murder, plain and simple.
Guilbeau says a judge can order someone to be bound, gagged, duct taped, or removed from the courtroom. “They know better. They can be held in contempt and in this case, he got his mouth taped. He should have calmed down and done what she told him several times, in my opinion,” said Guilbeau.
There is no mental illness in cracking a smile never mind hand gestures and laughter in a courtroom where they're discussing your murder charge's! That jury is going to slap that smirk right off your faces.
@@JSUN19 when they get to prison and see the conditions they will live under for the rest of their lives, they will clench those cheeks together so tight. We will laugh last!
Well there is actually in illness like that ,but al that goes out because they even said they were gonna be out scott free to the cops, besides al they they murdered someone and they also did not plea insanity.
@@sweetleaf7751 absolutely agree there is some kind of dissociative behavior like this is happening to someone else. Go to their homes and with a warrant confiscate all game consoles and the online gaming information, this behavior stinks of Grand Theft Auto.
Sir. Pardon me, but that is exactly what mental illness is. They are demonstrating the ability to not only commit a most Hanus crime, but they are able to stuff those actions in a corner of the brain that hides or transfers the act so one can go about their day. I.E. Charles Manson, Hannible Lector is a great fiction example. They take horrific thoughts or impulses and morphs them into data that their brain thinks it's ok, allowing them to go on about their day.
Family, keep showing up. Every time. The court needs to remember a person is gone. They were here. Were loved. Had a life and it's NOT business as usual. Prayers to you all. 🙏🏼 it won't be easy but never give up.
Guilbeau says a judge can order someone to be bound, gagged, duct taped, or removed from the courtroom. “They know better. They can be held in contempt and in this case, he got his mouth taped. He should have calmed down and done what she told him several times, in my opinion,” said Guilbeau.
Brother,. it's just a public defender trying ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, because he knows the kids have no shot at freedom... it's all part of the legal game...🙏✌️😁
The look on Ayala’s face when his mouthpiece was trying to explain away his behavior in court is all the proof you need to know they don’t give a crap about the victim, the court, or the judge’s words of ‘caution’.
Ayala's whole demeanor says he thinks he's above it all. They'll take it seriously when they get sentenced to state prison for the rest of their lives.
They don't have to respect the courtroom or anyone inside it if they don't want to. They obviously don't care or want to present like they don't. But they will care when they are sentenced. Even if they pretend not to. They will care.
Welp, that’s not how the system works champ. They go by fact & evidence, not feelings & emotions. Hold yourself together princess, it’s going to be fine 👸
@@macysondheim you really don’t get the concept of context, do you? I think you need to reread my comment because it’s obvious you are pretty dumb and part of the reason why this country is in the sad state of affairs it’s in. Of course courts are supposed to deal with facts, dum@ss. Being in law enforcement for over 12 years, I know more than most about this. For the intelligence impaired and to banish your ignorance, my comment goes towards illustrating how there is growing lack of shame, guilt and humanity in individuals. Young crims like these are more commonplace nowadays. Apparently so are people unable to read properly, as you unfortunately point out in your low IQ comment, you troll princess. You really ought to reevaluate your entire (low) state of education. You ought to be embarrassed but just like these young thugs, don’t have a clue, either.
What’s funny is even if they got a completely unbiased jury with no prior information about this case, the video of them committing the crime alone would sway a jury towards a guilty verdict. This defense attorney is a moron.
The public defender is grasping at straws but that’s essentially all he can do. He’s legally required to defend his clients to the best of his ability in an open and shut case.
Why in the world do these horrific cases take so long to prosecute when it took seconds to kill this innocent man. Do they think people will soften their feelings for these murderers.
Our freedom requires the state to prove it's case. In order for that to happen there needs to be a real defense. Both men are in jail and no threat to the public. Some jails are worse than some prisons. They are already incarcerated.
Doesn't premeditation simply require considering the act before committing it? The video shows them agree to hit the the bicyclist as an action they want to take.
You would think but the lawyer isn't lying when he said that vile people like himself have made the term incredibly complicated... pretty sure I heard that.
As a "layperson" I understand the difference between the evil behavior of the suspects and "mental health", obviously the teens behaved with evil intent.
The judge did not "take aim". False click bait as usual. She lobbed a soft ball at the scumbags attorney and there were zero consequences for the two perpetrators who are on trial.
This is all she could do. She isn’t allowed to put out harsh sentences now for unruly behavior just because she thinks they are guilty. Don’t have to like it, but currently they have the same rights in court as someone who stole a candy bar.
@@eradicator187 no, that’s exactly as it should be. These idiots are innocent until their guilt is proven by a verdict from the jury. I think this is a sign that the system is better than these criminals.
You are looking at this all bass-ackwards. That judge shouldn't have said word 1 about their behavior in the courtroom, unless they were in contempt. Every subhuman thing those monsters do to the victims in that courtroom is evidence of their character, and will come into play in both the trial & the sentencing phase. The judge actually aided the defense in making those comments, and should be removed from the case because of it. She was essentially giving them legal advice.
@@-108- "flipping off" the victim's family isn't contempt? Anyway, I believe the judge determines what is "contemptible" or not. She is setting the parameters for decorum. The phrase "order in the court" is said by the judge and no one else.
@@neilmanhard1341 You contradict yourself: " 'flipping off' the victim's family isn't contempt? Anyway, I believe the judge determines what is 'contemptible' or not." So did the judge find them in contempt? Did she even mention that she could or did?? NO. So that is the answer to your opening question: " 'flipping off' the victim's family isn't contempt?" According to the judge, NO, it is not.
You can’t even retire in this country and live out your life that’s how bad this country is. The poor police chief how horrific is that he couldn’t even retire and enjoy his life. That’s the most disheartening part of this entire story. And the suspects laughing and thinking it’s such a joke to kill someone disgusting. Extremely disgusting.
I agree it's totally disgusting but you can definitely retire and live out your life in this country. Millions upon millions are doing it right this minute
That public defender should just give up and let them go straight to sentencing. They recorded it and put it online. Any jury already has all the facts they need to convict.
This is not a logical debate; This is the legal system. In matters of logic, reason, and moral aptitude, that evidence is all that is needed. Unfortunately, the legal system is a completely different animal. And in the legal system, there are 6 ways from Sunday to twist and contort that obvious, undeniable, unequivocal evidence into proof they are innocent.
Oh shit!!! A warning! I bet those two guys accused of intentionally mowing down several people and killing the one guy all for "fun" are super gonna think about being disrespectful in future proceedings because the judge warned them after they have repeatedly been contemptuous of the proceedings. WTF is this world?
Well, it's a terrestrial planet - a giant, circular rock - 3rd from The Sun. It's got an atmosphere and a magnetic field, and has 1 moon orbiting it. It's located right in the "Goldylocks Zone," and couldn't be better situated in that regard for life to flourish. Unfortunately, that life includes lowlifes, like the two in this story.
The worst part about this case is that the homicide is being treated as particulartly heinous simply because the victim was a retired police chief, meaning that if he had been a janitor for 30 years, his life wouldn't have mattered as much. That's a real kick to society's nuts, in my opinion.
Somewhat agree. I definitely think cops lives are treated differently than citizens. But part of the heinousness of this case isn't who the victim was but that the man was killed basically for sport. That really is a heinous aspect.
no bro. a parent can be a hard working citizen who wants bothing but the best. but if there kids do whatever. then its there problem. i mean those teens already have tattoos on there face. think about it
@@WilOptinal-wz3mt Three? Four? None of that's really appropriate though. I mean, 9 pellets is way more common, so why not just go with that? Besides, who would complain about getting extras for free?
No. That’s a horrible thing to say. Animals aren’t capable of this kind of intentional cruelty. Animals act out of self defense or to eat when they harm another animal. Not for shxtz n gigs. Animals aren’t capable of being evil because they don’t have the mental capacity to even understand “right from wrong” the way humans do.
Trial date moved to November 2024? Why so late when there is clear video evidence of the crime? Justice delayed is justice denied! My heart goes out to the victim’s family that has to endure this abuse for so long!
After 60-70 years of constantly getting beat up by other inmates, they will be old men and will realize what they did. They’ll hopefully realize what they took from that poor guy in his family and how these two wasted their own lives.
I feel so sad for the victim and his family. So sad for your dad to go out like that and even worse wen the perpetrators are acting like that because of it. May they find peace and comfort especially in this Christmas season 💔😞
You think psychopathy is a result of a single parent household? Hahaha! What if a women is widowed? The child is immediately a psychopath? Makes zero sense what you're saying.
@@meghancass3187 just look at the % of men in prison who grew up in fatherless homes, not all have psychopathy just problems with behavior which leads into getting involved into criminal activity, having two mentally/ financially ready parents helps. good genes are the other half
Unfortunately there are far too many of these types of teenagers these days no moral compass and not even the basic standards of civilized behavior Also this defense of mental problems for everything has got to go accountability has to come back or civilization as we know it is through
This judge should be taken off this case. She actively aided the defense by making those statements about respect in the courtroom. Those kids have every right to make themselves out to be the monsters they are in the courtroom, & the jury should be able to see it. The prosecution should also have the opportunity to collect all of that behavioral evidence to use against them when the trial is underway.
he's a public defender who was assigned to the case, its his constitutional duty to zealously represent them as best as he can seeing as they pled not guilty. Leave the man alone.
@@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 Thank you. James comment pisses me off and just shows the ignorance of society. You think this poor public defender wanted to land this case? Leave him alone.
These two teens are the prime examples of neglect, poor nutrition, poor education, violent video games, and growing up in a virtual world where they can't differentiate. They hold no empathy for anyone or anything. It's truly sad. I send prayers and healing to anyone who is personally affected by, this poor man's death. Thank you for your service and may you rest in peace.
Not laughing so hard now after some time in jail. They thought they were going to be out in what 30 days? A slap on the wrist is what the one killer said in the back of the cop car. The reason they did this stuff is they believed they would get off light because of their age. It was planned and there is no remorse whatsoever for the crime.
The state must prove it's case. Our freedom as a society depends on that. Also these guys are way too dangerous to risk giving them grounds to appeal they didn't get a fair trial later. Everything is going well. It's a slam dunk case and they will probably get life.
I’m diagnosed with BPD so I don’t want to diminish what mental and behavioral disorders actually are, but dismissing the charges? There’s video evidence of their guilt and even with my issues I’m aware of right and wrong, I’m aware of my choices. That kid appears very aware of everything and is trying to use a diagnosis as an excuse
No. But he realizes our freedom requires the state to prove it's case. And in order to do that the defense must look for flaws in it. He also realizes his clients behavior in the court is proving the governments case and showing both judge and jury the remorseless nature of his clients. He knows this is pretty much an open and shut case but if he neglects his job they can appeal later and go free. Trust the system, they aren't going free. They will probably get life and their courtroom behavior will go a long way in making that happen.
Why would you expect any different from a young person who hasn't been taught or parented to respect others and behave properly? This is what parents are producing today.
For Gods sakes. There's plenty of kids who experienced horrendous abuse from their parents who don't commit crimes like this. These two young men are psychopaths and psychopaths are born not made.
"willful premeditation" is a term not understood by the lay people? I saw the video. They saw him cycling then they said hit him then they did and he died. They did not mean to kill him but also did not appear to care that he died. The the very least is second degree or manslaughter. If they were out doing this as a gang initiation, they filmed their crimes, then they need to have a gang enhancement too. Treat them as Adults with Adult time but also charge their gang member parents a large restitution.
These 2 goofs feed off of each other!! What TF is wrong with the court that they have them together in the courtroom!? They neeed to be separated and there would not be the laughing and childish behavior..
Put a mask on that kid if he can't control himself. As for the judge, you have no control obviously of your courtroom. You should be removed from this case if you can't control your courtroom!
I don’t understand why mental illness gets a pass for murder. That kid needs meds, quit taking meds or is simply a killer. There has got to be a history with him. What do we do with the people that claim mental illness every time they commit a crime?
He’s not mentally unstable he has no respect for himself or anyone else. He doesn’t have a respect to the judge or the court.
Guilbeau says a judge can order someone to be bound, gagged, duct taped, or removed from the courtroom. “They know better. They can be held in contempt and in this case, he got his mouth taped. He should have calmed down and done what she told him several times, in my opinion,” said Guilbeau.
Yes. Only melanin deprived people can be "mentally unstable". Since both of these suspects have an abundance of melanin, mental health just can't be a factor. 🤦🏾♂️
Facts 🫡
@@keithscott1926 I was saluting you for speaking the facts
He's not "mentally unstable", he's simply never got a an azz whooping when he disrespected people. Got away with disrespecting others all his life.
When he gets a life bid, and has say 5 or 6 years in on it, and realizes it when he's laying in his bed at 3 a.m. in his cell some night it's going to hit him; I'm never getting out. Then he'll be like wtf!!
I know this because I did 17 years in various State prisons due to my former azzhole ways, and I knew young gangbangers, like them in prison. And it takes awhile for it to sink in.
Always blaming evil on “mental illnesses” is a mental illness.
Sociopathy isn't mental illness?
The attorneys have been claiming their clients are 'mentally ill' or 'family life was bad' for decades.
It's all he could come up with!
White plp do it all the time
bingo...this country makes me sick
I feel capital punishment is warranted in this situation.
100,000%… but sadly they won’t get that.
💯 my friend 👍
My sentiments exactly!!!
Democrats DA want these kids out
@@kw9377 Not gonna happen. The case is too high profile and is a white hot potato.
Capital punishment should be allowed
Agreed........at least give that mans family some sense of justice.
Im tryna imagine them both........in Syria or Mosul (where the insurgency is still active)....tied up with orange jumpsuits, blindfolded and attached to them, a vest...not an ordinary vest.....while the Quran is being read.....
@@Waynes-xt9grjeez, that escalated quickly
Nope😂
@@budgonstopCANELOYes.
The look the punk defendant gave his defense attorney when he was said to have mental illnesses says it all. Those two deserve the stiffest of penalties for their act of pre-meditated murder, plain and simple.
And their parents should be ashamed of what they did to that retired person
Guilbeau says a judge can order someone to be bound, gagged, duct taped, or removed from the courtroom. “They know better. They can be held in contempt and in this case, he got his mouth taped. He should have calmed down and done what she told him several times, in my opinion,” said Guilbeau.
The attorney was choking he even knew what he was saying was lies !!
Oh they gonna get it couple yrs being in protected pods, then big boy prison good luck pos
Indeed
Those teenagers better get life with no parole for this crime.
No one wants to pay for it...
Supreme Court has ruled teens cannot be sentenced to life without parole.
@@WindTurbineSyndrome Doesn't apply to those 18 or over...Either way; They are going to prison for a very long time...
Newsome will. Pardon them
@@godbyonesurely you jest!!!
They knew exactly what they were doing. No Bail
They are definitely not getting a bond...He is arguing for the remainder of their lives, here...
Doesn't matter!
Two reasons the Death penalty should be reinstated.
I know between 13% and 50% reasons
Who are you to decide if someone live or die🤡
@@budgonstopCANELO the taxpayer
@@budgonstopCANELO Ask those two pieces of shit that same question.
Voters are too soft and would rather pay for their showers, meals, and have them released out into the public.
Life without parole! They both have forfeited the right to live among society.
They both have forfeited the right to live.
No life is better.
@@jocopowell AGREED !! I don’t want to support them !! Make their so called parents support them while their in prison !!
❤💯
Amen!
There is no mental illness in cracking a smile never mind hand gestures and laughter in a courtroom where they're discussing your murder charge's! That jury is going to slap that smirk right off your faces.
I bet they think their soooo cool !!!
@@JSUN19 when they get to prison and see the conditions they will live under for the rest of their lives, they will clench those cheeks together so tight. We will laugh last!
Well there is actually in illness like that ,but al that goes out because they even said they were gonna be out scott free to the cops, besides al they they murdered someone and they also did not plea insanity.
@@sweetleaf7751 absolutely agree there is some kind of dissociative behavior like this is happening to someone else. Go to their homes and with a warrant confiscate all game consoles and the online gaming information, this behavior stinks of Grand Theft Auto.
Sir. Pardon me, but that is exactly what mental illness is. They are demonstrating the ability to not only commit a most Hanus crime, but they are able to stuff those actions in a corner of the brain that hides or transfers the act so one can go about their day. I.E. Charles Manson, Hannible Lector is a great fiction example. They take horrific thoughts or impulses and morphs them into data that their brain thinks it's ok, allowing them to go on about their day.
They chased after and ran over and videoed and laughed! Hold them accountable!!!!!!!!
Oh, they WILL BE!!! To what extent is the argument being presented...
This lawyer is why Lawyers are "disliked" so much.
Agree but it is his job to defend him.
Family, keep showing up. Every time. The court needs to remember a person is gone. They were here. Were loved. Had a life and it's NOT business as usual. Prayers to you all. 🙏🏼 it won't be easy but never give up.
Not were, but are loved. They were loved while here and I'm sure are still loved even though they are gone.
Guilbeau says a judge can order someone to be bound, gagged, duct taped, or removed from the courtroom. “They know better. They can be held in contempt and in this case, he got his mouth taped. He should have calmed down and done what she told him several times, in my opinion,” said Guilbeau.
Im so sick of the use of "mental illness" constantly as a defense for murder...
The criminal "victim" game.
Brother,. it's just a public defender trying ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, because he knows the kids have no shot at freedom... it's all part of the legal game...🙏✌️😁
The look on Ayala’s face when his mouthpiece was trying to explain away his behavior in court is all the proof you need to know they don’t give a crap about the victim, the court, or the judge’s words of ‘caution’.
Ayala's whole demeanor says he thinks he's above it all. They'll take it seriously when they get sentenced to state prison for the rest of their lives.
@@margaretdimick2096Exactly right. These two are demonic.
They don't have to respect the courtroom or anyone inside it if they don't want to. They obviously don't care or want to present like they don't. But they will care when they are sentenced. Even if they pretend not to. They will care.
Welp, that’s not how the system works champ. They go by fact & evidence, not feelings & emotions. Hold yourself together princess, it’s going to be fine 👸
@@macysondheim you really don’t get the concept of context, do you? I think you need to reread my comment because it’s obvious you are pretty dumb and part of the reason why this country is in the sad state of affairs it’s in. Of course courts are supposed to deal with facts, dum@ss. Being in law enforcement for over 12 years, I know more than most about this. For the intelligence impaired and to banish your ignorance, my comment goes towards illustrating how there is growing lack of shame, guilt and humanity in individuals. Young crims like these are more commonplace nowadays. Apparently so are people unable to read properly, as you unfortunately point out in your low IQ comment, you troll princess. You really ought to reevaluate your entire (low) state of education. You ought to be embarrassed but just like these young thugs, don’t have a clue, either.
Claiming mental illness in the court room has become a joke
How many of us have mental illness or traumas but we still don’t act this way
we all have mental illness in some form. But somehow we can control ourself. Mental illness is going to be a bullshit excuse eventually.
That’s irrelevant sir. The trial isn’t about everyone else, it’s regarding these 2 young gentlemen who may or may not suffer from mental illness
That lawyer doesn't believe a word he is saying. Embarrassing.
Can't get a fair trial due to publicity? Your client publicized it.
You can't get a fair trial without a jury of your peers.
What’s funny is even if they got a completely unbiased jury with no prior information about this case, the video of them committing the crime alone would sway a jury towards a guilty verdict. This defense attorney is a moron.
Incorrect
The public defender is grasping at straws but that’s essentially all he can do. He’s legally required to defend his clients to the best of his ability in an open and shut case.
Why in the world do these horrific cases take so long to prosecute when it took seconds to kill this innocent man.
Do they think people will soften their feelings for these murderers.
Our freedom requires the state to prove it's case. In order for that to happen there needs to be a real defense. Both men are in jail and no threat to the public. Some jails are worse than some prisons. They are already incarcerated.
Doesn't premeditation simply require considering the act before committing it? The video shows them agree to hit the the bicyclist as an action they want to take.
Good point .
You would think but the lawyer isn't lying when he said that vile people like himself have made the term incredibly complicated... pretty sure I heard that.
Yes. Assuming they were in a calculating and collected mental state at the time of the decision (which they were).
@@SpoonHurler It's only complicated to defense attorneys.
100%
As a "layperson" I understand the difference between the evil behavior of the suspects and "mental health", obviously the teens behaved with evil intent.
No one could ever think that was not premeditated as the have voice evidence too.
2 murderers aren't behaving? No way!
The judge did not "take aim". False click bait as usual. She lobbed a soft ball at the scumbags attorney and there were zero consequences for the two perpetrators who are on trial.
This is all she could do. She isn’t allowed to put out harsh sentences now for unruly behavior just because she thinks they are guilty.
Don’t have to like it, but currently they have the same rights in court as someone who stole a candy bar.
@@eradicator187 no, that’s exactly as it should be. These idiots are innocent until their guilt is proven by a verdict from the jury. I think this is a sign that the system is better than these criminals.
You are looking at this all bass-ackwards. That judge shouldn't have said word 1 about their behavior in the courtroom, unless they were in contempt. Every subhuman thing those monsters do to the victims in that courtroom is evidence of their character, and will come into play in both the trial & the sentencing phase. The judge actually aided the defense in making those comments, and should be removed from the case because of it. She was essentially giving them legal advice.
@@-108- "flipping off" the victim's family isn't contempt? Anyway, I believe the judge determines what is "contemptible" or not. She is setting the parameters for decorum. The phrase "order in the court" is said by the judge and no one else.
@@neilmanhard1341 You contradict yourself: " 'flipping off' the victim's family isn't contempt? Anyway, I believe the judge determines what is 'contemptible' or not."
So did the judge find them in contempt? Did she even mention that she could or did?? NO. So that is the answer to your opening question: " 'flipping off' the victim's family isn't contempt?" According to the judge, NO, it is not.
Imagine having those two teens in your classroom.
Nope!!
*two
@@phillawrence5148 Good catch!
Out the 3rd floor window
Why are they together? They should never be in the same room at the same time for the rest of their lives.
Those little boys are going to have a hard time in prison. Literally a hard time
You can’t even retire in this country and live out your life that’s how bad this country is. The poor police chief how horrific is that he couldn’t even retire and enjoy his life. That’s the most disheartening part of this entire story.
And the suspects laughing and thinking it’s such a joke to kill someone disgusting. Extremely disgusting.
I agree it's totally disgusting but you can definitely retire and live out your life in this country. Millions upon millions are doing it right this minute
It’s past time to sugar coat these kids for their actions. They should be treated as adults and nothing less. The lack of accountability make me sick.
That public defender should just give up and let them go straight to sentencing. They recorded it and put it online. Any jury already has all the facts they need to convict.
If the PD does not offer a defense, they the case can get thrown out on the basis of inadequate representation, Sounds like you want the guy to walk.
This is not a logical debate; This is the legal system.
In matters of logic, reason, and moral aptitude, that evidence is all that is needed.
Unfortunately, the legal system is a completely different animal. And in the legal system, there are 6 ways from Sunday to twist and contort that obvious, undeniable, unequivocal evidence into proof they are innocent.
AGREED !! Why waste anymore of the taxpayers money !! Take the money out of their so called PARENTS !!!!!
Never heard of due process have you?
@@donotneed2250Did the man these 2 kill, get HIS due process???
Punishment should be severe and a warning to others.
Oh shit!!! A warning! I bet those two guys accused of intentionally mowing down several people and killing the one guy all for "fun" are super gonna think about being disrespectful in future proceedings because the judge warned them after they have repeatedly been contemptuous of the proceedings. WTF is this world?
Well, it's a terrestrial planet - a giant, circular rock - 3rd from The Sun. It's got an atmosphere and a magnetic field, and has 1 moon orbiting it. It's located right in the "Goldylocks Zone," and couldn't be better situated in that regard for life to flourish. Unfortunately, that life includes lowlifes, like the two in this story.
The warning is a necessary precursor to penalties. Now they can't say that nobody told them about it.
The worst part about this case is that the homicide is being treated as particulartly heinous simply because the victim was a retired police chief, meaning that if he had been a janitor for 30 years, his life wouldn't have mattered as much. That's a real kick to society's nuts, in my opinion.
Somewhat agree. I definitely think cops lives are treated differently than citizens. But part of the heinousness of this case isn't who the victim was but that the man was killed basically for sport. That really is a heinous aspect.
It's being treated as heinous because it's heinous. They made that clear for everyone to see.
Agreed, bet he was a bad cop too. Like the kind who harasses working class ppl and has no courage or accountability.
@@joyleff790 I mean "heinous" as in an aggravating factor for sentencing purposes, not as in anyone's individual definition of "bad."
No, that's just being mentioned to influence the audience. The charges are the same as they would be for a retired janitor.
They think this is a joke.They need the maximum punishment for what they did.
Capital punishment. PERIOD
The two young fools have thrown their lives away.
@@jolenegall5545 AGREED !!!!
Start arresting the PARENTS as co-defendants. I bet the parenting gets MUCH better.
no bro. a parent can be a hard working citizen who wants bothing but the best. but if there kids do whatever. then its there problem. i mean those teens already have tattoos on there face. think about it
Absolute MONSTERS!!!!
This was premeditated, death penalty for both
He’s 17 and has 3 dots on his face .
THAT'S HE'S (IQ).😮.
He seems to need a fourth dot, slightly larger an a whole lot deeper
@@WilOptinal-wz3mt Three? Four? None of that's really appropriate though.
I mean, 9 pellets is way more common, so why not just go with that? Besides, who would complain about getting extras for free?
There’s no way in hell this case was “ever” getting any legitimate shot at dismissal…
True but if he doesn't put everything forward they can win on appeal later. I think defense is doing a good job.
I thought Constitutional Rights only applied to humans NOT animals.
No. That’s a horrible thing to say. Animals aren’t capable of this kind of intentional cruelty. Animals act out of self defense or to eat when they harm another animal. Not for shxtz n gigs. Animals aren’t capable of being evil because they don’t have the mental capacity to even understand “right from wrong” the way humans do.
Please dont bring animals in to this.
It is like insulting the animals
Agree insulting to animals@@athensmajnoo3661
Trial date moved to November 2024? Why so late when there is clear video evidence of the crime? Justice delayed is justice denied! My heart goes out to the victim’s family that has to endure this abuse for so long!
Give it a couple of years and Jose and Pookie ain't gonna be laughing when reality set in 🤔
Monsters thrive in prison
When they both become Big bubba's play things they won't be smiling
They already got a head start on their jailhouse tats!
Damn that’s racist af! What? Tom, Dick, and Harry’s don’t commit horrible crimes? They’re monsters, don’t make it a race thing
The world can do without these kind of people in it
Maybe after 20 years in jail, these two losers!!!!!!! will realize what they did 😢
20 years?? How about 40?
How about life?? They have no remorse.
@@JayJay-he9bk I agree with you but they won't get life without parole because of their age.
I highly doubt it.
After 60-70 years of constantly getting beat up by other inmates, they will be old men and will realize what they did. They’ll hopefully realize what they took from that poor guy in his family and how these two wasted their own lives.
Life in prison for these two punks.
Him being a punk may also explain his criminal behavior.
They'll both be punked when they get inside.
@@ricfax Yep. Repeatedly.
Stop it
I feel so sad for the victim and his family. So sad for your dad to go out like that and even worse wen the perpetrators are acting like that because of it. May they find peace and comfort especially in this Christmas season 💔😞
their parents must be proud
BLM
Their just waiting for that welfare check !!!
The lawyer that made the excuses for the murdering of a man make me sick. He should be so proud to be part of what is the problem with the world .
This is The Only Time I Feel The Death Penalty Should Be On The Table
A year before these monsters are trialed ?? A year !?!?
All prisoners should have boot camp like haircuts for sanitary reasons, and discipline
Doesn't work...Obviously.
And hard labor for their entire sentence.
Especially if you have a pile of turds on your head!!
LMAO!@@alexanderleslie4226
These 2 teens should both get life without parole. Bottom line.
How do those stun belts and stun cuffs work in cases like this one? These two are inflicting more harm to the victims' families.
They should get an additional 10 years for being who they are…no mercy
Those two future serial killers deserve zero leniency.
Nov. 2024? That's nearly a whole year for his family to get justice 😔
there are lots of evidence and procedures to go through.
They’ll be passed around by the big fellas in the meantime, not walking around free.
Staying in Clark County jail until then. Not a picnic I understand
One can only hope.@@markusveracity2865
@@TimefortheApocalypse and I don’t want to support them !!
The look on the judge's face while the defense attorney is making his ridiculous request says it all.
Their single mothers must be so proud of them , but now they can spend time with their absent fathers
And get their welfare taken away !!!
You think psychopathy is a result of a single parent household? Hahaha! What if a women is widowed? The child is immediately a psychopath? Makes zero sense what you're saying.
@@meghancass3187 just look at the % of men in prison who grew up in fatherless homes, not all have psychopathy just problems with behavior which leads into getting involved into criminal activity, having two mentally/ financially ready parents helps. good genes are the other half
Kids who didn’t grow up with a father nearly always turn out like this
They will get their karma when they go to prison
Street creds for offing an LEO. Already got their lifer tats in advance! Dead-end kids much?!
They ran a man down and killed him with their car, and the judge is somehow put off by their lack of respect for courtroom decorum.
Unfortunately there are far too many of these types of teenagers these days no moral compass and not even the basic standards of civilized behavior Also this defense of mental problems for everything has got to go accountability has to come back or civilization as we know it is through
It's not just teens, numb nuts.
It’s because its all about the WELFARE !! Take away the WELFARE and no more children !! Nobody has the right to make WELFARE a career !!!!!
The young generation (Gen Z) is much better than the old generation (Boomers)
lol
@@heightsofsagarmatha
This judge should be taken off this case. She actively aided the defense by making those statements about respect in the courtroom. Those kids have every right to make themselves out to be the monsters they are in the courtroom, & the jury should be able to see it. The prosecution should also have the opportunity to collect all of that behavioral evidence to use against them when the trial is underway.
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AGREED !!!!
I'm sure they'll respect her wishes.
Jesus, another year of these scumbags' antics for just the trial to even START! I can't imagine the victims' families waiting so long for justice!
AGREED !!
The defense attorney has absolutely no shame. There are some actions that are un defendable .
Freedom requires the state prove it's case. The defense is truly part of that.
It's his job to defend the criminals and not pass judgement on them, unfortunately.
he's a public defender who was assigned to the case, its his constitutional duty to zealously represent them as best as he can seeing as they pled not guilty. Leave the man alone.
@@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 Thank you. James comment pisses me off and just shows the ignorance of society. You think this poor public defender wanted to land this case? Leave him alone.
Just accept it as part of the process and be happy they didn't call Saul.
So much for being out in no time......
These two teens are the prime examples of neglect, poor nutrition, poor education, violent video games, and growing up in a virtual world where they can't differentiate. They hold no empathy for anyone or anything. It's truly sad. I send prayers and healing to anyone who is personally affected by, this poor man's death. Thank you for your service and may you rest in peace.
FACTS 💯
Yup… games to be blamed.
Not laughing so hard now after some time in jail. They thought they were going to be out in what 30 days? A slap on the wrist is what the one killer said in the back of the cop car. The reason they did this stuff is they believed they would get off light because of their age. It was planned and there is no remorse whatsoever for the crime.
They need to be in jail for 30 years. They have no remorse whatsoever.
Huge face tattoos are such a good look in court. Really shows the judge your character.
So tired of people trying to use mental illness as justification for violent behavior.😡
PURE EVIL!
These guys better get life in jail without parole
It's difficult to imagine that these youths have no vision of the future and would throw away their lives for a video
Check out the video games they constantly play! JMHO
In an odd way this retired Sheriff put 2 more thugs in jail.
In cases like this, that they have video evidence. The case should proceed faster. Dont give those 2 any excuses.
In cases like this the trial should be run in a way that gives the defendants zero grounds for appeal later. They are way too dangerous
It still hasn't set in with these two yet
"Accused" of?? Like WHAT THE ABSOLUTE F$@K? Video proof THEY recorded? HOW is that "accused" when theres VIDEO PROOF
The state must prove it's case. Our freedom as a society depends on that. Also these guys are way too dangerous to risk giving them grounds to appeal they didn't get a fair trial later. Everything is going well. It's a slam dunk case and they will probably get life.
This is ridiculous....Capital Punishment is not only warranted...It should be carried out as soon as the verdict comes in...
Do you prefer jelly or syrup when toss salad young thug. Better get on it
here we go again with the "mental illness" excuses.
Media coverage? Dude ur client posted it to social media long before the media even knew about it 🙄that lawyer kind of trash low key
I’m diagnosed with BPD so I don’t want to diminish what mental and behavioral disorders actually are, but dismissing the charges? There’s video evidence of their guilt and even with my issues I’m aware of right and wrong, I’m aware of my choices. That kid appears very aware of everything and is trying to use a diagnosis as an excuse
Minimum 25 yrs to life!
The judge knows how to take that smirk off their face
These scumbag lawyers crack me up. Does he really want this monster roaming free?
No. But he realizes our freedom requires the state to prove it's case. And in order to do that the defense must look for flaws in it. He also realizes his clients behavior in the court is proving the governments case and showing both judge and jury the remorseless nature of his clients. He knows this is pretty much an open and shut case but if he neglects his job they can appeal later and go free. Trust the system, they aren't going free. They will probably get life and their courtroom behavior will go a long way in making that happen.
Yes, yes he does.
The judge looks absolutely disgusted by the defence.
Nov 2024, that's a lot of time for "in jail" justice to take place.
Why would you expect any different from a young person who hasn't been taught or parented to respect others and behave properly? This is what parents are producing today.
For Gods sakes. There's plenty of kids who experienced horrendous abuse from their parents who don't commit crimes like this. These two young men are psychopaths and psychopaths are born not made.
"Taking aim"?
More like baby talking and not putting blame on them.
More of our fatherless youth. Quality individuals.
How assuming! Add: I would have preferred to not have a father than the one that was extremely abusive.
"willful premeditation" is a term not understood by the lay people? I saw the video. They saw him cycling then they said hit him then they did and he died. They did not mean to kill him but also did not appear to care that he died. The the very least is second degree or manslaughter. If they were out doing this as a gang initiation, they filmed their crimes, then they need to have a gang enhancement too. Treat them as Adults with Adult time but also charge their gang member parents a large restitution.
A VERY, VERY, VERY LARGE restitution.
These 2 goofs feed off of each other!! What TF is wrong with the court that they have them together in the courtroom!? They neeed to be separated and there would not be the laughing and childish behavior..
Beyond horrific.
Put a mask on that kid if he can't control himself.
As for the judge, you have no control obviously of your courtroom. You should be removed from this case if you can't control your courtroom!
this judge knows what she's doing. better than the defense lawyer.
There can be no learning without discipline!
I don’t understand why mental illness gets a pass for murder. That kid needs meds, quit taking meds or is simply a killer. There has got to be a history with him. What do we do with the people that claim mental illness every time they commit a crime?
It's not going to fly. The defense has to try every avenue or they can appeal later. He's actually helping the prosecutor sew up the bag at this point
I call BS ON mental and physical crap
How isn't this an open and shut case? There's no need for a court case, there's a video documented confession regardless of mental state.