@@rayromano6249 For what, the judge is the one who refused to drop the charges. this was just a desperate attempt by the PD, he knows those two are going away for life
Sorry, life in prison for a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old will cost the taxpayers 6 or 8 million dollars. If they are dead some idiot Democrat isn't going to decide to let them out 'cause COVID or some other lame excuse.
@@danmoore3660 the video and their own actions are what we are judging... should we go, oh maybe just a slap on the wrist and these two psychopaths will see the light and walk the righteous path? fuck no, these two murderers deserve to be under the prison. it wasn't like they only hit one person and you can say oops it was a careles accident, on their own video evidence they searching for victims.
These two are the literal definition of 'waste of oxygen.' And if you're comfortable filming yourself committing the violence, and then sharing that footage, then you can't really cry about cameras at your trial.
So the PD who is being forced(assigned) to take them as clients(free) asked for less cameras bc people r threatening him(lawyer) and his family for him doing his job almost no one understands how court works so they assume they can drop the clients but he can't(ethics) .. if you look up the case n their home county there was talk about a bench trial already
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
It would be a "drop the mic" moment in the annals of legal history for the prosecution to just enter court, show the video to the jury, and say "we rest our case."
Our DA here in Vegas is pretty much an idiot who's soft on crime. If this wasn't a national headline they would have already been sent home on house arrest by now.
Exactly. As a teenager in the early 2000s before I even had my own cellphone when sending a text meant repeatedly pressing the number key a certain number of times depending on the letter you want in lowercase or uppercase, one of first things my parents taught me was think carefully before hitting send because as soon as you send something either positive or negative it's out there for the whole world to see, and can't be taken back. My first cellphone when I was 17 was a flip phone which I paid the bill for with my allowance money, and had that for about 5 years until I went to a 2 year technical college, when I got my first smartphone.
@@Grabthar191 Yes and no what defense there is no question of their guilt they recorded and posted their own crimes should really go right to sentencing
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
The alleged two, posted the video of the incident enthusiastically, because they wanted to show others what they did, bragging! Sorry the defence attorney did not approve of everyone seeing what the two were very eager to show the world. Rather than drop charges, capital punishment should be revisited. I looked in to it and I found: Nevada is one of 27 states that permit capital punishment.
The defense attorney should be working on a deal for his clients to keep them off of death row. He had to know that a judge was NOT going to dismiss the case. Having said that, that defense attorney should not be receiving death threats. Even totally depraved defendants like these two are entitled to legal representation by the United States Constitution.
@@Michael-fi7nu No, we cannot. Under law, defendants are treated as if they're innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. The media owes it to the defendants, the Constitution, and US to not jump the gun with a declaration of guilt.
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
@DaemonTargaryen13 They ran that man down at high speed and knew what would happen. They have shown zero remorse since. Pretty sure if it was your family member, your tune would change drastically. The fact that you think they aren't responsible for this death means that you're part of the bigger issue
Truly pure Evil.....they even smiled and flipped the family members off,that tells me they are beyond any help and need LIFE in Prison hopefully the Death Penalty!
No, lady-judge, they don’t understand being cordial to the family of a man they murdered. I hope you use their behavior in sentencing, it seems like they want it.
Las Vegas government is so terrible. I got burglarized on vacation once and the officer accused me of selling a gun and then filing a claim it was stolen. I said sir, I don’t have a firearm and didn’t report one as being stolen but with police like you I imagine I need one.
They're so bad that they helped raise the kids to become like the murderers shown on screen. What goes around comes around. If city laws focused on actually raising the kids we wouldn't have these issues.
Theres no question theyre guilty. What it will come down to is, how soft the punishment will be "...because they were just dumb kids who didnt know what they were doing" or whatever the usual copout is.
They’re obviously guilty, but the public defender still has to do everything in his power to get them found innocent, or to get the sentence reduced. That’s part of their constitutional right to a fair trial.
@LightsOutMan ....They were minors when this happened which means they should have been charged as such, but they're not... they're being charged as full grown adults capable of understanding what's right and wrong. You obviously don't know the bare basics of the case if you could confidently make that claim.
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
It's procedural, and part of a videos defense. It won't work and they won't see daylight before the trial is over. So technically their detention is assured.
Don't be surprised if this libtard judge rules there's excessive bias for a fair trial ... after allowing Chauvin to be prosecuted with a lynch mob and idiot waters outside threatening riots despite not sequestering the jurors.
One of the many reasons I could never be a lawyer. I know he’s doing a job but there would be no way I would be able to defend these two scums of the earth.
Exactly!! They live streamed it didn't they? Well either way, they posted it themselves. If the charges were dropped because of the video, then every criminal would just start taping their crimes. Insane for the lawyer to ask, but with today's liberal judges, who knows what may happen.
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing..
@DaemonTargaryen13 your joking right?!?! This is sarcasm?!?! You have watched the video they shot while hunting down and running over the elderly bicyclist, right?!?! They knew exactly what they were doing, both of them. They had already hit one bicyclist, but he lived, and a car. Love will not fix evil!!!
@DaemonTargaryen13 your joking right?!?! This is sarcasm?!?! You have watched the video they shot while hunting down and running over the elderly bicyclist, right?!?! They knew exactly what they were doing, both of them. They had already hit one bicyclist, but he lived, and a car. Love will not fix evil!!!
Organs harvested and donated to people in need of a transplant.. with a disclaimer of course in case they wouldn't want an organ from people like these guys but to some people an organ is an organ so whatever it takes to save lives.
I think he low key is trying to give the most ridiculous defense he can so most of his argument get thrown out in court and his client he never chose to represent gets the maximum penalty, honestly. That’s what I would do if I were a court appointed attorney and I knew my client I was forced to represent was irredeemable scum.
The Mexican kid's mother is shocked, remorseful and embarrassed. The black kid's mother didn't seem to care too much. Kids can be raised right but still be complete criminals.
So what this "Mouthpiece" is saying if you create the material and post it on the internet, and it can cause you a perceived bias, you should not be charged? Unreal. How low can you go. Your clients are literal monsters. "Inmate 4 Life."
Don't be such a Hypocrite. You know very well that if You ever got into trouble with the law, guilty or not, you'd be eager for your lawyer to get you off the hook by any dirty legal trick necessary. And so would I !!!
@@joekulik999Are you out of your mind they mudered someone and posted the video and to top it off enjoyed it also figured they were juveniles they would be charged as such. It would be fitting to let the family they destroyed decide the punishment and the how, what, when and where. So comparing this heinous crime with maginary what if's is Ludacris.
@@joekulik999this point is exacrly why trial lawyers are crooks, at least half are always lying. beholden to try for complete fn scum. lowest form of employment
And their crackpot lawyer, let's be honest though, if there's ever a reason to argue the death penalty for anyone under 18, those 2 are poster children for the chair.
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing..
SMH how dare he ask for the murder charges to be dropped that young man intentionally hit another man with his car and he wanted and had the audacity to ask for the charges to be dropped SMH
@jygb7092 Im sure he knows these 2 are fucked but when youre assigned the case as a public defender, you try anyways, just trying whatever he can, even bs, to argue for a lesser sentence or somehow get the case thrown out. However massive media coverage can possibly skew the opinions of the jury. OR hes actually just acting and pretending to be oh i tried, at which point later in time, the two defendants can call for a mistrial because their free lawyer wasnt really on their side to begin with.
@jygb7092 He's there to support and defend their case, not to make decisions for them. They prob wanted the charges dropped so he did his job and made a case based on what the defendants want. You and other people are just blaming some innocent man who's just trying to do his assigned duty as he is expected to. As shitty as those two are, they have a right to a proper defense like everyone else. He prob doesn't want to even be there fighting such an obviously losing battle for some assholes
@jygb7092 That's literally his job. He brings these notions to the Judge, and the Judge judges if it's valid or not. Quit expecting the defense attorney to act as the prosecutor, and then condescendingly reply with "Go back to law school, sweetie."
@jygb7092 Youre dumb thinking he has any real choice. Dude is a public defender who is REQUIRED BY OUR SYSTEM to represent them and make the best case he can for them. Dude got stuck with an obviously lost cause and two idiots that wanted to try getting the charges dropped instead of pleading guilty, and he did his best with such an unwinnable job.
Not “our” youth. Just these two young men. I know many many young people and none of them are like this. Are all the young people in your family like this?
The lawyer that asked to drop the charges should be dropped from society. Lawyer should be trying to find the truth not trying to get them get away with murder
I don't feel sorry for him after he pulled the "charges should be dropped 🐂💩." It seems his plan is to let them appeal a conviction due to incompetent counsel.
@@spaceracer23 Even if they were to appeal the conviction and it's successful, the prosecution can still retry the case. If this was a smaller case going with no media coverage then the charges could be dropped because prosecution wouldn't have to worry about the political repercussions. If the judge dropped this case then the prosecution and judge would face a LOT of scrutiny which would harm their chances politically.
You need to understand that if the lawyer does not make a vigorous defense of their client, the client can claim improper representation and get the case tossed.
The Constitution of the United States. We already have a corrupt DoJ, eliminating an accused's access to counsel and defense is a dangerous path to go down. It is a beast that can easily turn around and devour you.
He's not a good attorney, if he were one he wouldn't be in las vegas, recovering alcoholic maybe? Alas, if he identified as a surgeon most of us couldn't use a keyboard at this point. Awwf with their heads I ISay!!!
Why should we pay for cops? or anyone else? Why pay for a justice system? If you don't believe anyone should have any legal defenses at all I guess everyone is innocent and just needs to be free then huh?
The two have to have a fair trial. People that try to intimidate anyone just hurts the prosecution. When the case finally goes to trial you don't want any reason for the verdict to be thrown out.
Exactly. I'd bet the prisoners will not take too kindly toward their crime either. They'll wake up soon in a world full of rules and a different set of politics.
"Anytime you do something wrong, no matter how small, things can escalate infinitely worse at any moment" and you only get so many chances to figure that out...
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
When you commit a crime that receives national attention. It's not the Court's fault. And there's no reason to have a change of venue because it's a national incident. You can't hold the court liable for your own actions you have to take responsibility for that..... It's a jury trial of your own peers, so it's your own community they are finding you guilty of these crime's.
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
To be fair, the best thing about this country is to have someone plead your case to the best of their ability. Even if you are whole heartedly guilty. These guys are toast and rightfully so. But to deny people's right to defence and judging public defenders based on their job and civil duty seems wrong and barbaric.
He is legally required by law to provide a viable defense, and protect the rights of his clients, his opinions have nothing to do with it. Failure to do so can cause the loss of the right to practice law.
What a tragic event of teenagers that are so disrespectful & “smiling/laughing”. I sure pray justice is served. It is amazingly sad for the Public Defender. I guess he is providing a civic duty as their lawyer:, These two young men are mocking the judicial system.
He is a public defender, he has a legal duty to do his job in defending his assigned clients, d*mb*uck. They wanted him to try getting the charges dropped so he made his best case, as is expected of ANY public defender. It's the LAW. WE made him, a public defender who is OBLIGATED BY OUR SYSTEM TO DO WHAT HE DID, do it. Fucking hold the entire country accountable if you have a problem with it.
@@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 It's a really bad attempt. It doesn't pass the laugh test, just keeping his mouth shut and telling his clients to do the same would make people less angry.
@@chaimafaghet7343 keeping his mouth shut would mean not doing his job which would mean they could get an appeal after conviction. he needs to defend them as best as he can so they don't get an appeal for ineffective counsel. He knows he's grasping at straws, but thats the role he needs to play to insure it an open and shut case. anyone who is mad at him for that thinks too much with their impulsive emotions and/or doesn't understand due process. Its disgusting that the man is getting death threats for simply playing his constitutionally mandated part of zealous representation.
Just one reason not to threaten or harass the defense lawyer, you're just giving them ammunition, also they have a right to a defense, and the lawyer is just doing his job.
Defense has a difficult job, no doubt.....but asking that the murder charges be dropped because footage was released and stories are being written? Come on now
The precedent has now been set that you can punish lawyers for representing their clients if you don’t like their clients, so I don’t see why this is a big deal that he’s being threatened like lawyers in Georgia.
Damn, the guy was basically arguing that the crime should be forgiven, because everyone saw it. I get that defenders have to do everything in their power to help their client's case, but that can't be it. There needs to be some kind of line no lawyer can cross when twisting laws.
It was a hail Mary play. He knew it had no chance. I can't blame the lawyer for trying but I do wonder sometimes how these public defenders can sleep with themselves sometimes.
What do you want to bet that the PD called the Prosecution that evening and they laughed about it until they were blue in the face? He knew it was not going anywhere.
Wrong. Everyone has a right to legal defense, mob rule is appealing until a mob of duped fools turn on your or yours. That being said, the result of this case is clear, and no amount of legal defense is going to make a difference for these two.
i find it extremely irritating that trial dates keep getting set farther and farther down the calendar from the time of charging. it's like someone is hoping the matter and the victims will be forgotten and justice will just be a rubber stamp to clear the schedule. then the suspects claim they're being persecuted for sooo long, and everybody should feel sorry for them.
It's because our court systems are horrifically overburdened with cases. In some jurisdictions, there are not enough judges to hear cases. We are especially short of public defenders, because the pay is terrible and the caseloads are insane and the public doesn't understand the job of a public defender. If we want a functional justice system we will have to pay for it, but Americans are stingy about paying taxes. We want all the goodies but we don't want to pay for them. More people should go to jail! But not on my dime, I don't want to pay for prisons. We need mental institutions! But don't raise my taxes to pay for it. We have Cadillac tastes and VW budgets.
If the government would keep its nose out of where it doesn’t belong, we could spend some of our hyper-inflated military budget on things that actually benefit the American people. Infrastructure, housing, legal system, etc.
I think it is because they are trying to stall for time to make a plea deal. I think the best they can hope for is to someday when they are in their 70s to get paroled. I don't even know if the prosecution is allowing for a plea.
The fact that they put it on social media says enough , and the that fact that these two scumbags sat in court in one hearing laughing and sending hand signals to each other is plenty to show they don't give a ahit !
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
Why should the world having seen this video mean they should drop charges??? Even if the jury as seen it before, it still shows the fact that they purposely hit the man with the car.
The defense attorney thinks he has the right to lie about the facts, and is upset that he may not be able to lie about his clients as much as he’d otherwise be able to.
Peter you literally don't know anything about the law. We aren't living in a medieval village where people you don't like get harmed for doing their jobs.
"These are good kids. Their prior 19 arrests and 27 misdemeanors are not at all telling the story of how gentle, caring, and intelligent that they are."
You know they were bible reading, church attending youths, who just got in with the wrong crowd. They were on the path to becoming doctors and engineers and were going to go to College and volunteer in their community.
That's right they borrowed that car to get to bible study and the old man saw that they were people of color and intentionally swerved into the path of the car. He died because of his racism, not their fault. Let them go.
hes doing his job. He knew it wouldn't work but he still had to try ...its actually a good thing for the prosecution because after they are convicted it will make it harder for them to get a new trial by saying their lawyer didn't do a good job in defending them.
They'll never do that with a pair of high-profile defendants, there's so much liability involved. Once they get to real prison though, it'll be hard for them to avoid running into such people. Then again, they seem to get along with each other rather well, so they may get along jsut fine with other psychopaths in prison.
@@jermainerace4156 Psychopaths, the confirmed ones, are always segregated and never left unattended with others around. You never know what will set them off. I watched one force a co"guard" to eat a corner of a desk for pronouncing his name slightly wrong. He was in a good mood before it happened, literally seconds before. I doubt those two would stand a chance against a real psychopath.
SERIOUSLY!! Taking a life so carelessly, Not even a bit of remorse. People are just plain tired of callous, self deprecating, satanic individuals getting away with snuffing out a human life like it's a joke. If the only punishment they ultimately receive is free lifetime room and board from the state for such deliberate acts of malice what type of message does that send? We need change!
Nope, we need more coverage of this case and others like it. They (redacted) a person for clicks and a laugh. As for a "fair trial," it is a jury of their peers, they already had a chance to "unduly influence" them when they released the original video.
In a world full of videos, a case shouldn’t be allowed to be dropped for these reasons! The day and age of a case being dropped due to media coverage is over!
A good example of two people that we don’t need on the planet anymore.
8 Billions + humans surly we don't need everyone👍
the defense lawyer should be arrested as well for stickin up for these punk's
@@Defender78 So you don't think everyone is entitled to a fair trial? Legal representation?
@@Defender78 nope. Everyone is entitled to a defence to make sure they get a fair trial.
@@Defender78 ignorance
If you filmed yourself murdering someone, and recorded yourself laughing.......you've had your trial.
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And they shared it themselves….
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That's called a "slam dunk" in lawyer parlance........
Exactly.
These kids honestly believed they wouldn't be held accountable. Lock them away for the rest of their lives, they're old enough to be held accountable.
Judge should be named and shamed
@@rayromano6249 you mean the public defender
@@rayromano6249 For what, the judge is the one who refused to drop the charges. this was just a desperate attempt by the PD, he knows those two are going away for life
Sorry, life in prison for a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old will cost the taxpayers 6 or 8 million dollars. If they are dead some idiot Democrat isn't going to decide to let them out 'cause COVID or some other lame excuse.
BidenNomics?
With such overwhelming video evidence the only thing that should be discussed between any parties is death penalty or life without parole.
They don’t qualify for the death penalty. Both were minors at the time.
You are too quick to judge.
@@danmoore3660 and what the fuck you saw on the video to make others and I say 'wait, wait there is more to come in their defense "
@@danmoore3660 the video and their own actions are what we are judging... should we go, oh maybe just a slap on the wrist and these two psychopaths will see the light and walk the righteous path? fuck no, these two murderers deserve to be under the prison. it wasn't like they only hit one person and you can say oops it was a careles accident, on their own video evidence they searching for victims.
@@elizalam5253 it should be considered
Zero empathy at such a young age is scary. They would easily continue to murder if ever released.
The way that a kid acts can be a reflection of their parents. They probably got their callous disregard of life from their sperm and egg donors.
They are a dime a dozen, too. Our country is in trouble.
They already did that. That's why they're here.
The term you're looking for is 'psychopaths'.
Hilary Clinton called them “super predators with no conscience and no empathy” and for once I can actually say the woman was right. @@MaxChipz
These two are the literal definition of 'waste of oxygen.'
And if you're comfortable filming yourself committing the violence, and then sharing that footage, then you can't really cry about cameras at your trial.
So the PD who is being forced(assigned) to take them as clients(free) asked for less cameras bc people r threatening him(lawyer) and his family for him doing his job almost no one understands how court works so they assume they can drop the clients but he can't(ethics) .. if you look up the case n their home county there was talk about a bench trial already
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
@@DaemonTargaryen13i hope your being sarcastic
@@Kamkazi-gc5be sarcastic about what? You know I’m right. This has been a continuing issue that needs to be addressed
@@DaemonTargaryen13😂😂😂😂😂😂 you are hilarious
The footage speaks for itself.
It would be a "drop the mic" moment in the annals of legal history for the prosecution to just enter court, show the video to the jury, and say "we rest our case."
imagine representing someone who’s crime was caught on camera and still trying to get them off easy🤦♂️
Why even waste money on trial when you have video evidence
There would not even be footage of the murder if the morons hadn't filmed it themselves.
You mean, the stupidity and heartlessness of Evil?
They need to be made an example of. Anything less then the most extreme punishment is a failure of the justice system.
They oughta ride the Lightnin'....
Our DA here in Vegas is pretty much an idiot who's soft on crime. If this wasn't a national headline they would have already been sent home on house arrest by now.
Sad world@@AdamSternberg
That would be considered racist, so they'll get a slap on the wrist
Look at the track record of todays “justice system”, then Get ready to be disappointed…
I’ve always thought about being a lawyer, but how could someone defend people like this?
You get paid whether u win or lose
@@BillSchrader lol
Trump finds these kind of lawyers all the time. Money talks.
Then be a prosecutor
For a fat paycheck
The media has nothing to do with this case.. The video of the crime tells the whole story... That's all we need to know
The video is evidence. No different from CCTV video tapes
Didn’t the alleged perpetrators release the video themselves????
@@RobertEgbersPrecisely!
Well said
Are people still crying hate crime 😂
If they didn’t care about posting their actions, then why should they care about the coverage for their legal defense?
Exactly. As a teenager in the early 2000s before I even had my own cellphone when sending a text meant repeatedly pressing the number key a certain number of times depending on the letter you want in lowercase or uppercase, one of first things my parents taught me was think carefully before hitting send because as soon as you send something either positive or negative it's out there for the whole world to see, and can't be taken back. My first cellphone when I was 17 was a flip phone which I paid the bill for with my allowance money, and had that for about 5 years until I went to a 2 year technical college, when I got my first smartphone.
Everyone deserves a legal defense. Even the worst among us. Otherwise we might as well devolve into barbarity.
not everyone. huge flaw@@Grabthar191
@@Grabthar191 Yes and no what defense there is no question of their guilt they recorded and posted their own crimes should really go right to sentencing
@@Grabthar191trust me these two dont deserve any public time or money to be spent on them. Theyre guilty dead to rights by that video alone.
There must be punishment when you do wrong! People need to be held accountable
✌️allegedly✌️
thank you Cpt Obvious
That’s what’s wrong with the justice system in the US. You can punish or rehabilitate. Most people eventually get out of prison.
so how do you rehabilitate psychopaths?? @@nickjohansen9038
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
The alleged two, posted the video of the incident enthusiastically, because they wanted to show others what they did, bragging! Sorry the defence attorney did not approve of everyone seeing what the two were very eager to show the world. Rather than drop charges, capital punishment should be revisited. I looked in to it and I found: Nevada is one of 27 states that permit capital punishment.
THIS 💯
The defense attorney should be working on a deal for his clients to keep them off of death row. He had to know that a judge was NOT going to dismiss the case. Having said that, that defense attorney should not be receiving death threats. Even totally depraved defendants like these two are entitled to legal representation by the United States Constitution.
Can we stop playing the “alleged” game when there’s video evidence of them involved in the crime.
They oughta ride the Lightnin'....
@@Michael-fi7nu No, we cannot. Under law, defendants are treated as if they're innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. The media owes it to the defendants, the Constitution, and US to not jump the gun with a declaration of guilt.
It's premeditated murder. Nuff said.
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
@@DaemonTargaryen13 they are not children..
@@DaemonTargaryen13I just OD-ed on sarcasm
@DaemonTargaryen13 They ran that man down at high speed and knew what would happen. They have shown zero remorse since. Pretty sure if it was your family member, your tune would change drastically. The fact that you think they aren't responsible for this death means that you're part of the bigger issue
A defense attorney claiming they’re a victim… imagine that.
Truly pure Evil.....they even smiled and flipped the family members off,that tells me they are beyond any help and need LIFE in Prison hopefully the Death Penalty!
Police Chiefs are never evil?
if they end up LIP with possible parole, I do hope an Art the Clown type is roaming around....
They need to go to prison where the other inmates will teach them some manners and a few other things as well.
@@runnergo1398sigh. How lengthy is your criminal record? Just curious. Are you currently on probation?.
Looks like we found the punk@@runnergo1398
Scary how much a parent can not care about their own child.
Underrated comment. What do you want to bet they were both raised without a father in the home to act as a role model?
This is how being tough is seen in most places
@@danielmcgillis270being raised with a father has nothing to do with a child having a good up bringing. Society is equally to blame.
Yet people keep defending this garbage culture.
@@cali-cali6700room temp IQ take.
Since you have them in custody ,keep them for a few decades.
assuming that is their life span
50 years at least should do. No early parole for none of them. They can stay in prison since it was so funny.
@@freedomofspeech361 they need capital punishment
Why I can't afford another mouth in a cell I don't have enough to eat myself WHY must we pay again
No, not decades, Four score and Twenty years
No, lady-judge, they don’t understand being cordial to the family of a man they murdered. I hope you use their behavior in sentencing, it seems like they want it.
They oughta ride the Lightnin'....
probably they lost some money for their handlers outside and are going to spend life inside doing chores for their mans instead of death
she's not a lady-judge, in America she's just called a judge.
@@michaelmohler7103 She's acting like a lady judge with that weak ass statement.
@@michaelmohler7103 one out of four people in "America" are dumb AF. Just letting you know in case you didn't know.
Las Vegas government is so terrible. I got burglarized on vacation once and the officer accused me of selling a gun and then filing a claim it was stolen. I said sir, I don’t have a firearm and didn’t report one as being stolen but with police like you I imagine I need one.
They're so bad that they helped raise the kids to become like the murderers shown on screen. What goes around comes around. If city laws focused on actually raising the kids we wouldn't have these issues.
What’s not helping his clients case is the videoed it and then posted it. There is no question they are guilty.
Guilty asf
Theres no question theyre guilty. What it will come down to is, how soft the punishment will be "...because they were just dumb kids who didnt know what they were doing" or whatever the usual copout is.
That shite NC face tattoo ain't doing them any favors either LOL
They’re obviously guilty, but the public defender still has to do everything in his power to get them found innocent, or to get the sentence reduced. That’s part of their constitutional right to a fair trial.
@LightsOutMan ....They were minors when this happened which means they should have been charged as such, but they're not... they're being charged as full grown adults capable of understanding what's right and wrong. You obviously don't know the bare basics of the case if you could confidently make that claim.
I AM LIVID. I cannot believe they flipped them off and laughed. I’d definitely be in jail after that
AND stared them down!
I doubt they're having much fun anymore.
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
@@DaemonTargaryen13😂 I can only hope this is sarcastic
@@karlsson408 sarcastic about what? You know I’m right. This has been a continuing issue that needs to be addressed
The fact the charges are even being talked about being dropped is just enraging these kids deserve life sentences that lawyer should be ashamed
It's procedural, and part of a videos defense. It won't work and they won't see daylight before the trial is over. So technically their detention is assured.
They are obviously dangerous and without remorse. Everyone deserves to not meet them out in society.
Those mugshots, tell you everything you need to know.
It's disgusting, how people keep trying to defend this type of behavior 😑
There will always be some dbag defending abhorrent behavior. Always.
What did you expect the end times to look like?
Don't be surprised if this libtard judge rules there's excessive bias for a fair trial ... after allowing Chauvin to be prosecuted with a lynch mob and idiot waters outside threatening riots despite not sequestering the jurors.
Black culture. Dont be a racist.
Lol who is?
One of the many reasons I could never be a lawyer. I know he’s doing a job but there would be no way I would be able to defend these two scums of the earth.
For sure there are jobs that are horrible but yet someone has to do them, and this is one of them.
love how the defense attorney brings up media coverage when this was a crime that the accused recorded and posted online
Exactly!! They live streamed it didn't they? Well either way, they posted it themselves. If the charges were dropped because of the video, then every criminal would just start taping their crimes. Insane for the lawyer to ask, but with today's liberal judges, who knows what may happen.
I guess he thought his clients were getting "picked on", meanwhile an innocent bystander is dead!
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing..
@DaemonTargaryen13 your joking right?!?! This is sarcasm?!?! You have watched the video they shot while hunting down and running over the elderly bicyclist, right?!?! They knew exactly what they were doing, both of them. They had already hit one bicyclist, but he lived, and a car. Love will not fix evil!!!
@DaemonTargaryen13 your joking right?!?! This is sarcasm?!?! You have watched the video they shot while hunting down and running over the elderly bicyclist, right?!?! They knew exactly what they were doing, both of them. They had already hit one bicyclist, but he lived, and a car. Love will not fix evil!!!
Death penalty. You take a life, you forfeit yours.
Facts 💯
Organs harvested and donated to people in need of a transplant.. with a disclaimer of course in case they wouldn't want an organ from people like these guys but to some people an organ is an organ so whatever it takes to save lives.
EXACTLY!!!!!
@@SilencedByUA-camshut the hell up. Organ is organ.
death penalty can’t be given to people who were minors at the time of a crime
I do not want to see those kids on the street, please.
This is strange. I thought these kids wanted to go viral.
They did remember one was in the police car kept asking the cop questions when he was on his way to jail.
they did
These are literally monsters that have to go away from the world
There’s that word again… ‘literally.’ Does no-one in America know its true meaning?
@@heli-crewhgs5285you apparently don’t.
"lawyers" like this are a disgrace to our justice system and whatever happened to a swift and speedy trial???
I think he low key is trying to give the most ridiculous defense he can so most of his argument get thrown out in court and his client he never chose to represent gets the maximum penalty, honestly. That’s what I would do if I were a court appointed attorney and I knew my client I was forced to represent was irredeemable scum.
The Parents need to be held accountable. Jail time. Charge these Men as adults.
They are being charged as adults.
WOW, urine? uranus, which is it.. @@circesoul2218
Agreed. Somebody needs to become the punisher in our society to teach people to RAISE YOUR KIDS RIGHT, or else.......
The Mexican kid's mother is shocked, remorseful and embarrassed. The black kid's mother didn't seem to care too much. Kids can be raised right but still be complete criminals.
Well do you know one of them is 18 now?
So what this "Mouthpiece" is saying if you create the material and post it on the internet, and it can cause you a perceived bias, you should not be charged? Unreal. How low can you go.
Your clients are literal monsters. "Inmate 4 Life."
Don't be such a Hypocrite. You know very well that if You ever got into trouble with the law, guilty or not, you'd be eager for your lawyer to get you off the hook by any dirty legal trick necessary. And so would I !!!
@@joekulik999there's a difference between being innocent, and being a killer.
Most people aren't running over seniors for fun.
@@joekulik999Are you out of your mind they mudered someone and posted the video and to top it off enjoyed it also figured they were juveniles they would be charged as such. It would be fitting to let the family they destroyed decide the punishment and the how, what, when and where. So comparing this heinous crime with maginary what if's is Ludacris.
@@joekulik999this point is exacrly why trial lawyers are crooks, at least half are always lying. beholden to try for complete fn scum. lowest form of employment
Defense attorneys are no better than the clients they represent.
They should Never see the light of day again.
It’s not the coverage that’s the problem for the defendants, it’s the facts.
And their crackpot lawyer, let's be honest though, if there's ever a reason to argue the death penalty for anyone under 18, those 2 are poster children for the chair.
@@peryole Nevada only uses lethal injection.
@@jermainerace4156 could you have left me with a touch of hope?
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing..
This is one of those cases where they should skip everything and just go to sentencing. Its clear they did it.
SMH how dare he ask for the murder charges to be dropped that young man intentionally hit another man with his car and he wanted and had the audacity to ask for the charges to be dropped SMH
That's literally his job
What ever criminal sympathizer.@@aherrera6182
@jygb7092 Im sure he knows these 2 are fucked but when youre assigned the case as a public defender, you try anyways, just trying whatever he can, even bs, to argue for a lesser sentence or somehow get the case thrown out. However massive media coverage can possibly skew the opinions of the jury. OR hes actually just acting and pretending to be oh i tried, at which point later in time, the two defendants can call for a mistrial because their free lawyer wasnt really on their side to begin with.
@jygb7092 He's there to support and defend their case, not to make decisions for them. They prob wanted the charges dropped so he did his job and made a case based on what the defendants want. You and other people are just blaming some innocent man who's just trying to do his assigned duty as he is expected to. As shitty as those two are, they have a right to a proper defense like everyone else. He prob doesn't want to even be there fighting such an obviously losing battle for some assholes
@jygb7092 That's literally his job. He brings these notions to the Judge, and the Judge judges if it's valid or not.
Quit expecting the defense attorney to act as the prosecutor, and then condescendingly reply with "Go back to law school, sweetie."
"They were such good boys"
I'm surprised the media Isn't showing their elementary school class pictures.
Surprised the defending lawyer didn't use the "It was just a prank" defense.
@jygb7092 Youre dumb thinking he has any real choice. Dude is a public defender who is REQUIRED BY OUR SYSTEM to represent them and make the best case he can for them. Dude got stuck with an obviously lost cause and two idiots that wanted to try getting the charges dropped instead of pleading guilty, and he did his best with such an unwinnable job.
That's next.
Saving the big guns for trial
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@jygb7092 What else has he got?
And the judge should not drop the charges
They should stick
There's no way the judge can drop any charges with these dumb asses video'ing the incident.
??? That's what the judge did...
A reflection of how corrupt, criminal and cowardly our youth have become SMH 😒
Welcome to the digital age
Not “our” youth. Just these two young men. I know many many young people and none of them are like this. Are all the young people in your family like this?
@@judipierry549You can’t be that obtuse.
not our youth!
I blame the literal police chief for training the youths to become that way. They're only emulating those they see as powerful.
👏👏👏👏👏Isn’t this the same kids who said they’d be back out on the streets in 30 days?? Bravo Judge!! 👏👏👏👏👏
both should get at least 40 years in prison nothing less
60
@RID, No they took a life so they should get life no parole
Abortion at any age.
@@paulettebarrow9791 Waste of taxpayer money. They both should ride the lightning
Throw away the key.
The lawyer that asked to drop the charges should be dropped from society. Lawyer should be trying to find the truth not trying to get them get away with murder
I feel sorry for that Public Defender, as he’s representing the devil. Good luck with that.
I don't feel sorry for him after he pulled the "charges should be dropped 🐂💩."
It seems his plan is to let them appeal a conviction due to incompetent counsel.
He's a lawyer, he already made a deal with the devil.
@@mikeoxbig1560 Can you imagine a world without lawyers?
@@spaceracer23 Even if they were to appeal the conviction and it's successful, the prosecution can still retry the case. If this was a smaller case going with no media coverage then the charges could be dropped because prosecution wouldn't have to worry about the political repercussions. If the judge dropped this case then the prosecution and judge would face a LOT of scrutiny which would harm their chances politically.
You need to understand that if the lawyer does not make a vigorous defense of their client, the client can claim improper representation and get the case tossed.
And why should WE pay for an attorney to make such ludicrous arguments, intentionally delay justice on their behalf ???
The Constitution of the United States. We already have a corrupt DoJ, eliminating an accused's access to counsel and defense is a dangerous path to go down. It is a beast that can easily turn around and devour you.
He's not a good attorney, if he were one he wouldn't be in las vegas, recovering alcoholic maybe? Alas, if he identified as a surgeon most of us couldn't use a keyboard at this point. Awwf with their heads I ISay!!!
Because of the U.S. Constitution.
It’s all he’s got and he knows it.
Why should we pay for cops? or anyone else? Why pay for a justice system? If you don't believe anyone should have any legal defenses at all I guess everyone is innocent and just needs to be free then huh?
The two have to have a fair trial. People that try to intimidate anyone just hurts the prosecution. When the case finally goes to trial you don't want any reason for the verdict to be thrown out.
Exactly. It has to be above the board, or the narrative becomes twisted later and they get paroled because "oh they were the real victims".
For sure, only thing that can make these guys walk free is if something happens that forces the trial to be called a mistrial.
See if they're laughing when they're delivered from the county jail to the State prison to begin their 30 year sentence.
Welcome to reality !
Life in prison
They think they are going to be welcomed as heroes because they killed a elderly whilte guy. Looked like hate crime to me.
…… 30? What’s even more pathetic is how you say that with some sort of victory. They’ll be out before 50.
Exactly. I'd bet the prisoners will not take too kindly toward their crime either. They'll wake up soon in a world full of rules and a different set of politics.
The irony of tattooing a college logo on your face...
What an enormous burden these people are on socitey
"Anytime you do something wrong, no matter how small, things can escalate infinitely worse at any moment" and you only get so many chances to figure that out...
right & wrong are known by toddlers...
@@roadtrippin2781 humans are born knowing nothing. You know you have the right to remain silent right
@@roadtrippin2781 we must be raised and taught to be good people even though it's in our nature to do what's right ... we are far from nature
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
Apparently not everybody deserves to have a lawyer.
Sounds great until the government says that to you.
So innocent until video is played in court .. Just steller
@@isocarboxazid Sounds great until you think about it.
You actually have the right to an attorney. The cops read you that right when you get arrested.
@@isocarboxazidThey already do.
asking for a dismissal after seeing the video makes the lawyer as soulless as them
When you commit a crime that receives national attention. It's not the Court's fault. And there's no reason to have a change of venue because it's a national incident. You can't hold the court liable for your own actions you have to take responsibility for that..... It's a jury trial of your own peers, so it's your own community they are finding you guilty of these crime's.
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
The only thing scummier than threatening a lawyer is the lawyer trying to justify dropping these kind of charges in a case of this scenario
To be fair, the best thing about this country is to have someone plead your case to the best of their ability. Even if you are whole heartedly guilty. These guys are toast and rightfully so. But to deny people's right to defence and judging public defenders based on their job and civil duty seems wrong and barbaric.
@@MrNativeknight what is barbaric is defending murderers.
He’s scum, but doing his scummy job!
He is legally required by law to provide a viable defense, and protect the rights of his clients, his opinions have nothing to do with it. Failure to do so can cause the loss of the right to practice law.
@@stevebadachmusiche is right though.
What a tragic event of teenagers that are so disrespectful & “smiling/laughing”. I sure pray justice is served. It is amazingly sad for the Public Defender. I guess he is providing a civic duty as their lawyer:,
These two young men are mocking the judicial system.
They film their own crime then get upset when the public/media see the video ? 🤦🤣
They ain't do nuttin' wrong!
Perhaps they should have thought of that before murdering an innocent man, in cold blood.
Too much interference! Why someone is even speaking positive for those two monsters is ridiculous
Media coverage is letting the world know what ill intentions the defense lawyer has
How?!
He is a public defender, he has a legal duty to do his job in defending his assigned clients, d*mb*uck. They wanted him to try getting the charges dropped so he made his best case, as is expected of ANY public defender. It's the LAW. WE made him, a public defender who is OBLIGATED BY OUR SYSTEM TO DO WHAT HE DID, do it. Fucking hold the entire country accountable if you have a problem with it.
@jygb7092 seems like hes doing a good job at zealously defending his clients as the law requires. he's a defense lawyer not a prosecutor.
@@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 It's a really bad attempt. It doesn't pass the laugh test, just keeping his mouth shut and telling his clients to do the same would make people less angry.
@@chaimafaghet7343 keeping his mouth shut would mean not doing his job which would mean they could get an appeal after conviction. he needs to defend them as best as he can so they don't get an appeal for ineffective counsel. He knows he's grasping at straws, but thats the role he needs to play to insure it an open and shut case. anyone who is mad at him for that thinks too much with their impulsive emotions and/or doesn't understand due process. Its disgusting that the man is getting death threats for simply playing his constitutionally mandated part of zealous representation.
GOOD, they should be shamed by the entire world!!
they love prison, wear saggy pants, homeboys can have their way with each other
Just one reason not to threaten or harass the defense lawyer, you're just giving them ammunition, also they have a right to a defense, and the lawyer is just doing his job.
The lawyer is grasping for straws. That’s his job. Even he knows the evidence is over whelming.
Capital Punishment, straight up...
And they thought they would be out a while ago. Keep them in for life.
Defense lawyers are just doing their job but they also know their clients are guilty and are screwed.
Defense has a difficult job, no doubt.....but asking that the murder charges be dropped because footage was released and stories are being written? Come on now
@@DA-br9xd I thought it was pretty creative. The guy's going to have a very tough time with this case.
The precedent has now been set that you can punish lawyers for representing their clients if you don’t like their clients, so I don’t see why this is a big deal that he’s being threatened like lawyers in Georgia.
@@DA-br9xd release the lions to have dinner i ask why not two on menu video it post on youtube
@@willieverusethis Definitely creative and definitely going to have a tough time👍
Damn, the guy was basically arguing that the crime should be forgiven, because everyone saw it.
I get that defenders have to do everything in their power to help their client's case, but that can't be it.
There needs to be some kind of line no lawyer can cross when twisting laws.
Send them straight to the Lord Jesus and let him judge
It was a hail Mary play. He knew it had no chance. I can't blame the lawyer for trying but I do wonder sometimes how these public defenders can sleep with themselves sometimes.
What do you want to bet that the PD called the Prosecution that evening and they laughed about it until they were blue in the face? He knew it was not going anywhere.
How many were concerned about the negative media coverage of Kyle Rittenhouse and Derek Chauvin? 🤔
These young men have never been treated so fairly. And yet they are being portrayed as being victims.
Not even their lawyer is claiming they're the victims. You're on bias autopilot. Try not being so dumb.
No one should defend this filth.
Wrong. Everyone has a right to legal defense, mob rule is appealing until a mob of duped fools turn on your or yours. That being said, the result of this case is clear, and no amount of legal defense is going to make a difference for these two.
Lawyers just need to ensure proper due process
I agree but if their public defender doesn’t try then they can argue a miss trail or find another way out of charges.
@@dirkjensen969 Is that the year America became a corporation after going bankrupt?
@@dirkjensen969 True, since the motorcar wasn't invented for another 26 years.
These two fellas look very smart, they could have been doctors or even professors
These killers WANTED people to see what they did. Why else would they record it?
i find it extremely irritating that trial dates keep getting set farther and farther down the calendar from the time of charging. it's like someone is hoping the matter and the victims will be forgotten and justice will just be a rubber stamp to clear the schedule. then the suspects claim they're being persecuted for sooo long, and everybody should feel sorry for them.
It's because our court systems are horrifically overburdened with cases. In some jurisdictions, there are not enough judges to hear cases. We are especially short of public defenders, because the pay is terrible and the caseloads are insane and the public doesn't understand the job of a public defender. If we want a functional justice system we will have to pay for it, but Americans are stingy about paying taxes. We want all the goodies but we don't want to pay for them. More people should go to jail! But not on my dime, I don't want to pay for prisons. We need mental institutions! But don't raise my taxes to pay for it. We have Cadillac tastes and VW budgets.
If the government would keep its nose out of where it doesn’t belong, we could spend some of our hyper-inflated military budget on things that actually benefit the American people. Infrastructure, housing, legal system, etc.
I think it is because they are trying to stall for time to make a plea deal. I think the best they can hope for is to someday when they are in their 70s to get paroled. I don't even know if the prosecution is allowing for a plea.
Flipping off the victim's family and we're still concerned about these people's rights
The fact that they put it on social media says enough , and the that fact that these two scumbags sat in court in one hearing laughing and sending hand signals to each other is plenty to show they don't give a ahit !
The wrong people are getting death threats.
Nevada is one of 27 states that permit capital punishment.
not for anyone under 18 at the time of the crime
@@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 They should reconsider both of them for it?
@@paulstutz7059 it has already been ruled unconstitutional. Roper v. Simmons.
@@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 I see drop charges? Let them out on a $2 bond NOT
Asking for the charges to be dismissed is ridiculous and has no grounds
They are just children. They weren’t out trying to “murder” people they was just trying to have some fun and bump into people but tragically someone died. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their life in prison. These kids need rehab and love. This is what they’re missing
Every stereotype about lawyers being scum this guy pushes forward
Why should the world having seen this video mean they should drop charges??? Even if the jury as seen it before, it still shows the fact that they purposely hit the man with the car.
The defense attorney thinks he has the right to lie about the facts, and is upset that he may not be able to lie about his clients as much as he’d otherwise be able to.
Their lawyer asking to drop the charge is ridiculous. They should put him to jail
The lawyer is going to get a fat paycheck
Peter you literally don't know anything about the law. We aren't living in a medieval village where people you don't like get harmed for doing their jobs.
I hope that lawyer is an avid bicyclist
"These are good kids. Their prior 19 arrests and 27 misdemeanors are not at all telling the story of how gentle, caring, and intelligent that they are."
You know they were bible reading, church attending youths, who just got in with the wrong crowd. They were on the path to becoming doctors and engineers and were going to go to College and volunteer in their community.
@@churchofpos2279true, the jan 6th insurrectionists put up some stupid defenses didnt they?
That's right they borrowed that car to get to bible study and the old man saw that they were people of color and intentionally swerved into the path of the car. He died because of his racism, not their fault. Let them go.
@@HarryDirtaythe insurrection was not an insurrection. Fool
unrepentant, irredeemable... sentence, under the prison.
Once the verdict is announced, it would be hard not to jump across the court room and get your hands around the neck of these two.
I know exactly how you feel.
They won't make it in prison
doesn't that make you proud to know that some criminal know what Justice is and have no problem carrying it out
Is the driver here legally? I wonder if he's an American citizen!!
F that lawyer . These two are pure evil
hes doing his job. He knew it wouldn't work but he still had to try ...its actually a good thing for the prosecution because after they are convicted it will make it harder for them to get a new trial by saying their lawyer didn't do a good job in defending them.
Drop the charges? Hell NO!
Life in prison. No parole
We have psychotic individuals in jail right now. Why can't we just let those two visit with them for, say, 3 hours, unsupervised? 🤔
Ye the problem with those guys they tend to brake their toys . 😉
They'll never do that with a pair of high-profile defendants, there's so much liability involved. Once they get to real prison though, it'll be hard for them to avoid running into such people. Then again, they seem to get along with each other rather well, so they may get along jsut fine with other psychopaths in prison.
@@jermainerace4156 Psychopaths, the confirmed ones, are always segregated and never left unattended with others around. You never know what will set them off. I watched one force a co"guard" to eat a corner of a desk for pronouncing his name slightly wrong. He was in a good mood before it happened, literally seconds before. I doubt those two would stand a chance against a real psychopath.
SERIOUSLY!! Taking a life so carelessly, Not even a bit of remorse. People are just plain tired of callous, self deprecating, satanic individuals getting away with snuffing out a human life like it's a joke. If the only punishment they ultimately receive is free lifetime room and board from the state for such deliberate acts of malice what type of message does that send? We need change!
Should be locked up for life.
Nope, we need more coverage of this case and others like it. They (redacted) a person for clicks and a laugh. As for a "fair trial," it is a jury of their peers, they already had a chance to "unduly influence" them when they released the original video.
Life without parole or the death penalty, the end!
If the lawyer is so sick that he is demanding the charges be completely dropped, then maybe he needs a wakeup call.
In a world full of videos, a case shouldn’t be allowed to be dropped for these reasons! The day and age of a case being dropped due to media coverage is over!
The thing about death threats that trips me out is, the people who are threatening act like they're immortal. Pfff
Unless he is lying 😊
Nah. They need life without parole and zero appeals.