"Peter Hitchens is an author and columnist for the Mail on Sunday. He is a lonely dissenting voice" He isn't a lonely dissenting voice at all. Many, many, people agree with him.
Yes thank God I don't currently have a toothache because I certainly would not want to visit a COVID-19 invested general hospital anytime soon. I think I would rather pull it out myself.
I know of someone who has had a leg removed because the doctors didn't pick up on the fact the person was diabetic, it was the paramedic that attended told him so. His foot went gangrenous and had to be removed above the knee. This poor soul can't have visitors, is hungry because the hospital aren't feeding him enough and he just wants to go home.
But they exist and are real. In the U.K. They are only counting deaths due to Covid-19 in Hospitals, the real death toll is much higher, WHO did not think it was going to be a pandemic and said so publicly, now look at it. Need I say more.
I don't believe Peter Hitchens is a "lonely dissenting voice, arguing that the UK government's approach to tackling coronavirus is disproportionate to the threat it presents." There are many others including experts in epidemiology, virology and infectious diseases who agree with him.
May be now the measures taken seem to have failed shown by the huge numbers of deaths. May be now the government could ease up on the restrictions especially in getting healthy people back to work.
UA-cam used to be a platform for alternative views, but they have systematically deleted videos with 'dissenting' content, emptying half of my playlists and censoring most of my comments.
You cannot outrun a virus anyway we cannot be inside forever. If I was people Id aim for cleaner air and maybe many wouldnt die of a virus! Go outside and clean the air just a thought
Thank you, Joe, for this excellent conversation: you asked intelligent questions and allowed Peter Hitchens the proper space to answer them. Such behaviour is rare in these heated, tribalised times: well done. ☝️😎
Good interview. It took me a while to accept but I’m now convinced Peter is correct. No Government policy is made worse by scrutiny and yet I have seen next to nothing in the MSM. A worrying sign indeed.
And you won't see anything in the MSM either which I agree is very insidious. It is plainly obvious that this was all planned a long time ago to cause fear and panic which the Government uses to control the population.
The Man But that assumes the lockdown achieves this. Other countries have taken a different approach. There should at least be a debate about it if stakes are so high
Considering the closing section of this video, it is refreshing to hear this gentleman passionately defend liberty. I don't hear many voices in the media or government put it in those terms.
@@martinarnold5239 PH is a Burkean conservative, not some kind of free market absolutist. He covered the strikes in the 70s when they happened and spoke to many involved on all sides. He frequently criticises the privatisation of railways. He has plenty of words both for and against the Thatcher years, he criticised her sale of council houses and handling of the collapse of industry. Liberty is not worship of commerce. And no one wants to be pushed around by officials either.
@@PopeCromwell We have an economy prone to crisis too fragile to handle a pandemic. Instead of arguing for something better, Hitchens is parading his ignorance of the virus and the effects. We all want freeom, but he offers nothing
From one of the Covid-19 daily briefings (and I'm paraphrasing here, I cannot remember what was said verbatim): Reporter: Why are the airports still open? Why are there still passenger flights from Milan, Beijing, NYC? Government: Because we're following the science, and the science says closing airports won't make a difference. Is it just me, or is there something wrong with this picture?
By closing their airspace to China traffic January 31, Italy, the US and the like put President Moon under tremendous pressure. Google it, 1.5 million South-Koreans signed a petition asking for impeachment. He prohibited flights from Wuhan, a moot point since its airport closed on January 23, and followed WHO guidelines in allowing flights from China and concentrating on testing and isolating affected individuals. Nowadays South Korea has less than 20 new Covid-19 cases a day, the US 30 000/day, and Moon's party comfortably won last week election. The science says that closing airports is as good a strategy as going after the red cape in a bullfighting arena. Ignore it at your peril.
Very wrong and very I concerning. Do not consent ! Question the narrative.direct experience and logic needs to be awakened within the people to start thinking for themselves ✌🏼✌🏼
When we have the police chief saying we will check what you have in your shopping cart to see if your trip was essential , otherwise you will be fined then we have a problem . What if you buy a dvd at the same time as buying food, will you be FINED ???, the police are talking about CRIMINAL RECORDS for this stuff , possibly PRISON , for going to the SHOPS.
Given that whenever you go to a supermarket, you have to queue(I spent over an hour last Friday), its unlikely that anyone would go for just one item, and as the home secretary as said, they do not have a remit to do this.
@Eat the pork There is none the police have been abusing their powers for years people are just mentioning it now because it's another reason to resist these recent changes to our lives.
He is not a lonely, dissenting voice: millions of people outside the media bubble have agreed with him since the start of this. Now we are even seeing more public and media figures joining him. As usual - as with the Iraq war, foot and mouth, the failings of the police, the Syria bombings, and much else - he was courageous and correct from the beginning.
I saw an interview with Peter Hitchens one time in a magazine where the interviewer started pointing out the lack of logic in his views, and he admitted to her that he adopted contrarian views just because it gave him a living. It's very dangerous to do that in this situation though. People's lives are more important than his ability to stay in the limelight and earn his living. Listen to the scientists and the medics, not a b*llsh*tter.
@@heliotropezzz333 Well, you managed to remember Peter's name, no problem... Did you happen to catch the name of the interviewer, or the magazine, or the topic being discussed?
@@ub2bn No, sorry, it was quite some time ago and the interviewer wasn't someone famous, not famous to me anyway. I hardly read magazines except in a dentist's or doctor's waiting room. I wouldn't forget Peter's name. My husband went to school with him.
@@heliotropezzz333 Another way to put it, might be, Peter learned to play "devil's advocate". This is an important "skill" one must learn, if they desire to investigate/debate any subject, thoroughly.... Iron sharpens iron, and that sort of thing... You appear to be implying, Peter is just arguing, for arguments sake. But with that, I would have to disagree, wholeheartedly. He is being very forthright, in my judgement. One must count the costs, always. And he and others have done so... or are at least doing so, to the best of their abilities, given the many influences/factors involved. If one wants to know how these shutdown measures will affect the economy, unbiased economists would be the folks to listen too, I would think. But too many folks are getting their "news" from headlines and click bait, these days... This is not good. ;(
@@ub2bn From everything I've read (and I don't read clickbait) and from what I've read about how the virus spreads, being 'proportionate' in terms of lockdown or other measures, as Peter Hitchens suggests, would not work. Maybe if, in the beginning, we had enough tests to ensure we knew who had the virus and who they'd all been in contact with, it might have worked, but there were never enough tests in the beginning (there still aren't now) and once the spread escalates, it quickly gets beyond any possibility of controlling it with testing and tracing alone.
Yeah! It's fake news! Don't believe experts! Down with the WHO! Go out and shake hands with every person you see and sniff their hair! I'm right behind you, brother!
With regard to deaths. The people who die are primarily going to die in a short time anyway. Latest report from my local hospital is two dead in last 24 hours. One 90 years old and other over 80, both with underlying health issues.
A proportion of deaths are going to be people who would have died this year anyway. I'd be hesitant at this stage to say 'primarily'. Either way, there are still going to be many thousands of people dying who would have had decades left to go.
taken from our own .gov website on death statistics; then 181 deaths involving COVID-19 occurred in week 12, which is higher than the figures the DHSC publish as it includes deaths related to COVID-19 that took place outside of hospitals and those not tested for COVID-19.
The deaths outside hospital that involved Covid 19 were people who had existing issues. Covid 19 is a SARS virus and as such kills by attacking the respirotary system. It is only in hospital that respirotary support is active. Ventilation and intubation. Anyone who died outside of hospital DID NOT die from Covid 19. They died with Covid 19 from whatever ailed them. It is common to see figures in uk in flu season of 12,000 deaths attributed to influenza. The British Medical Journal quotes Death figures for influenza in a total reported of 12,000 as around 550 influenza. The rest died with it not from it. Miked
I've watched several interviews with Peter Hitchens over the past few days and this is the first in which interviewer and interviewee get to make their points without interrupting each other. Thank you for presenting Peter's logical and dissenting voice so professionally. I agree with him wholeheartedly.
very true. It's painful to watch him debating with many moronic commentators, many of them relatively young and incredibly ill educated. He bases many of his arguments on historical precedence, they don't even know the history but base their arguments on emotion.
Basic arithmetic leads to a necessary questioning of government policy. The number of deaths is known, but a percentage of these are ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid. Therefore the number of actual Covid deaths is lower. It is also certain that due to limited testing, the number of infected is larger than currently stayed (a recent study suggests we have only measured 6% of actual infections). Taken together, these two facts indicate the actual mortality rate is lower than currently stated, to some degree. By some measures a very large degree. A basic understanding of statistics necessarily leads to dissent on logical grounds alone.
@Jeremy Horne Largely irrelevant even if the virus would only target those with comorbidities. Purely according to odds, if you are 55 or older you are 70% likely to have at least one health condition. In countries like Italy, the mean population age is 45, which means there's a huge number of age 55+ people with comorbidities, but these are not some people sitting in care homes, most are still expected to go to work for another 10 years.
It's all irrelevant when the healthcare system becomes overburdened. It doesn't matter whether it's an underlying issue. If you can't gain access to health care, there will be an increase in the number of preventable deaths.
@Jeremy Horne I'm content with assuming the deaths reported to be a result of covid are indeed that, but the ACTUAL fatality rate is key. The news doesn't mention this EVER, they only ever tell of case fatality rate.
@Mahala Films a base of young deaths without pre existing illness is irrelevant. If hospitals are at capacity, being filled with people due to covid, or supposedly covid, then capacity + 1 patients take a back seat. What's the common denominator in New York, Spain, Iran, UK and Italy..... Or does flu season in these places always see freezer trucks waiting outside hospitals to collect the dead and local parks being used as makeshift cemeteries?
The country is run by the media, a media that is run by consensus. Peter Hitchen is one of the only journalist with the balls to stand up and call out this consensus. I for one would never have thought that I would agree with anything the Peter Hitchen says. I was more in line with his late brother, sorry about that. I want to see how the figures stand up in Sweden in 6 months time. If the figures are not very different from other countries as regards infections and deaths then it is going to make us look very, very silly and stupid.
@@paulkazjack David Icke is not even in the spectrum of intellect as the Hitchens. Icke is not really of sound mind, when you listen to some of his beliefs.
Some people are misunderstanding Hithens on these points and many more are pretending to misunderstand him. He has never claimed (and I'm sure never will) that this isn't a very nasty disease. He is only questioning the extreme measures taken to combat it and why we have no public, let alone parliamentary, debate on it. Keep making noise Peter.
@@flumpaustin1994 I'd say starting out an atheist and converting to religion makes you a pretty spectacular twit, my friend. But then, who am I to judge?
@Katharine Henegan Derives from the fact that there is no talk about democracy anywhere especially in education the establishment does not want well informed citizens
The word democracy (dēmokratia) derives from dēmos, which refers to the entire citizen body: the People. Athenians done enough in creating their political system to eventually influence subsequent civilizations two millennia later.
I am totally with Peter on this one. I know and have recently communicated with many men over the age of 75, some well over, and none of them want this lockdown to go on a single day longer. This is spite that all of the are retired, spend almost all of their time at home anyway, and none still own any kind of business. Older generations were made of sterner stuff, and are far more interested and concerned for the future of their children, grandchildren, and in many cases great grandchildren then themselves. We have a human tragedy unfolding before our eyes, which will adversely affect our children far more than ourselves, yet it is they that seem the least concerned by it. Such is the power of a statist indoctrination, communication via social media, and video games. None of them seem to miss their friend as hardly any of them have any real ones. They don't miss their outside activities because they hardly have any of those either, especially any which are more fun than playing Medal of Honor on a playstation 4, all of their waking hours. As a chap born in 1960, I can only imagine how crazy I would have gone being stuck in the house all day, with nothing but Watch With Mother on the TV. Just not going to happen when I was 16, even if I had to climb out of the window, and never come home again. In my own case my company which I started shortly after leaving school, and which has taken me 42 years to build is now going permanently bankrupt which will require me to sell our home at the very bottom of the market. To say that my entire young families future looks grim in the extreme is a serious understatement, as my wife also works for the company. A particular shame because after 12 years of particular struggle to rebuild it from what happened in 2008, things had just started to go rather well. Now I have zero cash flow, zero orders, and a fair prospect that at least half of my customers will never open again, and so never pay up their accounts. While compared to some people I know, I am in a better position then they are. I calculate that if I can get at least some turnover within the next 4 weeks I may be able to just hold on, but only if I sack all of my staff including myself and my wife. Which certainly won't please the chancellor, but at least it will be better then the government paying to house my entire family and pay my sickness benefit, child benefits and pension, because if I go bust I swear on all that is holy I will never do a single paid days work for the rest of my life, even if I could find one to do. This country will have had me over just once too often.
Your story is a sorry one indeed. Let’s hope you can keep the business afloat and hope for better times around the corner. In the meantime here’s Noel Coward to cheer you up! ua-cam.com/video/WFhTsunuXpY/v-deo.html
I'm baffled by your post because it fails to take into account why the lockdown is in place. There are people already having cancer treatments cancelled because the NHS is overwhelmed, and this is when we're supposedly containing it. What do you think would happen if we let things progress naturally?
Peter Hitchens is one of the Most Eminent and Intellectual people in the UK let alone on the Planet! I have followed him for over 20 years. He is 100% Correct!
Sweden haven’t exactly got it right. Over a thousand people have died there where as in their neighbouring countries,Norway and Finland, far less due to their lockdowns.
Ang Goose still doesn't warrant shutting down a whole economy - our elected representatives are complete jokes. They've lied from the outset of this PLANDEMIC - I have been vindicated with my initial assumptions - the whole thing is a war on medium and small businesses. They're all criminals
@@anggoose2782 But consider the impact in those countries under lockdown on 'avoidable deaths' - for example things like cancer, diabetes, sepsis etc. The current estimate of avoidable deaths in the UK CAUSED by Lockdown is around 150,000. Yes, you read that right - 150,000. Sweden will NOT have that level of avoidable deaths to add to the corona cases.
Sweden has 10x the daily deaths of Norway or Finland who locked down. So if UK had followed the Swedish model the daily death rate right now would be 6000 plus
Neil Rowe it's a big con or as I call it a PLANDEMIC - it's a fascist ideology (non essential (obsolete) and essential). The whole government / media have proven what criminals they are. You've drunk the corona cool-aid and can't be brought back. Oh enjoy your vaccines and microchip inserts.
@@laurathompson8500 , and now after several weeks into the lockdown many people are becoming to realise that he could be right, the 'cure' for the virus could in the long term be more damaging than the disease itself.
'We are including in Covid deaths, the number of people dying with it not of it' This needs to be repeated over and over until people start considering what the implications of that might actually be. Only then will discussions actually start to resemble a more honest, balanced and considered debate on what is actually happening with this disease.
He is only a lonely dissenting voice because the msm will not allow People like Prof Ioannidis and Prof Bakhdi a platform. It shows what a poor situation we are in when a small youtuber is a much better interviewer than the MSM luminaries.
You are not wrong Peter ! I am sure there are a lot more people who sympathise with your views rather than the sheeple , who do not appear able to think for themselves anymore .
That's your trouble, maurice. You use the rhetoric of the sensible Right because YOU can't think for yourself. It's entirely what the Left do and they do it all the time. In fact, when it comes to the truth, the Left claim that it's entirely subjective - and so they feel they can justify anything they say and when they get it wrong they play dumb - another postmodern leftist practice.
I think my figures are right (pls check) but on average 17k ppl per year die of "flu", or related problems, and as you say, we don't lockdown and social distance every 12 months
If I see this statement once more i'm gonna lose it. It is not about the number it is the rate at which they are being admitted to hospital and subsequent ICU admission. If the ICU is FULL of covid patients every other patient suffers and leads to more deaths than usual. This means patients with Asthma, Heart attacks, Elipepsy, Road traffic accidents etc who normally occupy ICU will die at an alarming rate because they cannot be escalated to higher levels of care.
Yes ! oh Yes ! I also believe most of us have it , have had it and its now really a positive fact of life , and it will never go away- no one has dodged death yet to my knowledge --
dakrontu , Seeing as currently I have one parent with a terminal Brain tumour ( 1-4 months to live ) and another with leukaemia and dementia ( 2-6 months, BOTH unable to see or visit in these last few months due to Corvid restrictions) you will perhaps forgive me if I don’t engage in this particular conversation.. I have every intention of “jumping off a cliff” when the time comes my friend.. most likely via a large case of Rum, 2 or 3 Russian crack whores and a nice warm beach somewhere .. my “Point” is the medical world has extended and extended “life” by its procedures and advances in technology but they have failed to improve the quality of life for those coming towards the end of life. This I have seen with both my parents as well as others. I agree with you in your preference for the late great “Hitch” views over his brothers opinion but Peter still has valid points to make on this particular subject I feel..
Hitchens is a stuck-up old fart and trying to make traction in the wake of the fame and genuine greatness of his brother, Christopher. He is so far wrong with this COVID-19 rubbish he's spouting, his brother will be turning in his grave!
Sweden population 10 million 900 deaths ( as I write) Scotland population 5 million 450 deaths ( as I write) - so basically they are having the same (horrible) death outcome. Two countries with very different government approaches to this horrible virus. Lots of people will be in financial straits in both countries after this Pandemic, however, the Scottish (and the UK) economy is being severely damaged as we speak with 100,000's of individuals seeking payouts from the State. While Sweden's economy is going to be far less damaged afterward. Something needs to give and we need to stop all the rhetoric and get down to governing without the constant eye on the future election results. Politicians have an eye on their futures when they should be concentrating on the reality of properly funding our health service ( and being self-sufficient as a country in P.P.E. etc) as we look at the underfunding of France, Spain and Italy's health services as against the German health service the death numbers are vastly different. Our politicians on both sides of the house need to be raising more questions about how Sweden's sensible measures to reduce the virus spread and on Germany's superior health service in being able to tackle this virus. The UK (and the rest of Europe) is going to be in a financial mess for many years to come if people do not start getting back to work, with all sensible precautions in place and stop placing all our trust in a graph with its doom and gloom outlook. Question!, Question!, Question!.
At one time journalists were considered investigative journalists, there to seek out the truth, instead now just mouth pieces and repeating the government line.
Lots of folks focusing on what politicians are saying, but I don't hear folks talking about how the Banksters are the ones really running things. What's that old quote? "Give me control of a Country's money, and I care not for her laws".
Ahh yes the foot and mouth episode, remember it well, looking back at it can anybody explain that on 11th september 2001 when the jets flew into the world trade centre, foot and mouth ended overnight, i mean it was abundant before that day and gone the next, they found the miracle cure for it in 1 day, what was that all about then.
in april 01 i was looking after a neighbours stock, 10 stirks, maff came to test them, the owner was also present, they suspected foot and mouth, i was quarenteened for 4 days until results came back, the owner was sent home to his farm that diddent have foot and mouth, fortunetly they were clear, but why send the owner back, he should have been quarenteened aswell, funny that !!!
@@Theflyingpotato interesting statement, my immiediate memory is shot , but i remember the past no problem, no theory to the conspiracy here, i witnessed it all with my own eyes.
A very good interview, indeed. I cannot tell if the interviewer agrees or disagrees with Mr. Hitchens outlook on what is said...that is rare, rare, rare in today's world of biased/conflict driven "interviews". Very well done PoliticsJOE, astute questions and it was lovely to see a proper amount of patience for Mr. Hitchens responses as well. I'm subsrcibed. Thank you.
I very much enjoyed that interview. Unhurried and considerate conversation. Now why cant the 'flagship' programmes like newsnight on the BBC operate that way?
I am in Thailand The figures here as I write are 36 deaths These are recorded deaths died of corona virus Many have died of underlying conditions and road accidents Most people wear masks before the outbreak so no problems as to social distance Curfew at 10pm Local province rules apply as to alcohol sales etc food shops remain open and take away prevail but life goes on very much as normal Why the uk needs such draconian measures is very concerning I’m with Peter If my plane had not been cancelled I would now be locked up effectively because I am single and 72
The situation is so serious that we are in “lockdown” while charter flights are bringing in 100s of Rumanian farm labourers to pick vegetables and Ireland is flying in it’s share of Bulgarian “horticultural specialists”, that’s strawberry pickers to you and me. The British unemployed are applying for these jobs but are not wanted. 15,000 people arrive EVERY DAY at British airports from plague hotspots like China, Italy and Spain and walk unchallenged into society at large. The Guardian releases a video telling the British people “You clap for me now” which shows immigrant talking heads explaining how grateful a “once proud nation” should be to all these “lifesavers” in the NHS and food production. With all the scary death totals we are being bombarded with daily, we seem to be getting softened up for even more globalisation and mass immigration to replace the losses and boost the other idol we should worship, the GDP.
According to a Financial Times April 17th article, in a normal year, less than 0,5% of the crop picking crew is British. These emergency arrivals are due to the fact that farmers claim they currently have 10% of the needed workforce. Whether you are right or the National Farmers Union is right I don't know because I am not a farmer or UK resident.
This man has not been a voice of dissent. He merely puts forward a view. It is up to us to decide if it is dissent, or if it is common sense. Good God what ever happened to being ruled by the will of the people. Well done Peter for trying to educate people what is going on.
If anyone watched 93 days about the Ebola outbreak in Lagos, Nigeria, they isolated only the people who became infected by the disease. Anyone who had symptoms had to ring a number, were picked up by an ambulance and took away from the towns and villages to a remote makeship hospital and treated in isolation with medicine given in water bottles. This is what should have been done, not close down the whole world, because now they have caused an even bigger problem than this so called flu. Xxx
The normal daily death rate according to Public Health England is around the 1600. Bare in mind road traffic accidents have gone down during the shut down so have other accidents and fatalities. As Peter correctly states people have died with corona virus not of corona. How many victims have died of normal flu or pneumonia that have been included in the Corona figures? There are issues with regards to man power and resources for the NHS. But that really is a logistic issue that has exposed the shortcomings of a decade of austerity. In the long term this shut down will be catastrophic for the economy and the NHS.
One thing that HAS come out of all this. That is GCHQ. so called "Countries security Services" Have not said a word... I will say it. THEY ARE WORTH LESS!
We have NO Opposition in the UK parliament now! Mr Hitchens speaks total common sense and is one of the few real journalists left that get a chance of an interview. Keep going.
Fair play to Joe for having Peter on. He’s always the first in line for honest, open debate. Hopefully the furious listeners can take on board some of his interesting and articulate points.
I and millions agree with you Peter. Please don't stop although you often get abuse from the ill-informed and those with an agenda-- you are a sane voice in a world gone mad.
Why don't we all just go out tomorrow and rise up what have we got to lose? This virus' is not going to go away by us hiding at home this can't go on we need to work!
This morning the 'news'on classic fm anounced in its 6am buletin the number of people dying WITH covin19.(and not OF it)This is the first time such a term has been used.Could it be there is a change in reporting taking place.?
Men of England, wherefore plough For the lords who lay ye low? Wherefore weave with toil and care The rich robes your tyrants wear? Wherefore feed and clothe and save, From the cradle to the grave, Those ungrateful drones who would Drain your sweat -- nay, drink your blood? Wherefore, Bees of England, forge Many a weapon, chain, and scourge, That these stingless drones may spoil The forced produce of your toil? Have ye leisure, comfort, calm, Shelter, food, love's gentle balm? Or what is it ye buy so dear With your pain and with your fear? The seed ye sow another reaps; The wealth ye find another keeps; The robes ye weave another wears; The arms ye forge another bears. Sow seed, -- but let no tyrant reap; Find wealth, -- let no imposter heap; Weave robes, -- let not the idle wear; Forge arms, in your defence to bear. Shrink to your cellars, holes, and cells; In halls ye deck another dwells. Why shake the chains ye wrought? Ye see The steel ye tempered glance on ye. With plough and spade and hoe and loom, Trace your grave, and build your tomb, And weave your winding-sheet, till fair England be your sepulchre! Percy Bysshe Shelley.
This young man asked all the right questions and Mr Hitchens gave all the right answers. We need to open the country/economy up and instigate damage limitation... By now (25th May) it's largely known that the mortality figures are being bumped up by every death being recorded as a C-19 death, whether it being by heart attack, RTA, cancer - ANYTHING and everything, which Mr Hitchens brought out... Great man...
An interesting alternate path, but a lone voice, we are on our path chosen by the government and will wait to see the results, on a lighter note FACE TOUCHING Oli - 10 Peter 2 :)
Scientists have now advised, that if the lockdown is lifted, there would be 73,000 excess deaths this year. The cost of the lockdown is currently estimated by the Treasury to be £337,000,000,000. That is working out at £4,616,438 per life saved. Can please make all aware of this astounding cost. This should be put into the context where many people are denied life saving drugs which cost a fraction of this figure. Surely there must be a better way forward ?
The NHS is not overwhelmed it still has many empty beds. We keep being told that NHS staff need protection from the public, but the facts indicate that the public need protection from the staff. Medical staff wear masks not to stop them catching various things especially viruses from the patient they were them to stop giving such things to an already distressed patient. I was informed just yesterday that a friend of mine in his late 80's was admitted into a general hospital after suffering a fall over 4 weeks ago. He was given an operation and was about to be released from hospital. However he contracted COVID-19 4 days ago in HOSPITAL, and died of pneumonia on Saturday morning. There must be at least hundreds of these types of cases, which I have no doubt outnumber the amount of NHS staff dying from catching COVID-19 from the patience by at least 10-1, and I would suggest by an much higher proportion. The reason for this is simple to understand, and very logical. Staff are young, fit and healthy people, whereas patience are very often none of these things. If COVID-19 is even close to as infectious as we are told it is, then it would seem logical to expect that virtually every single employee of a general hospital either currently has COVID-19 or has had it. The constant hero worshipping of The NHS I find quite nauseating. Individual staff may or may not be doing great work, but the organisation as a whole ought to be put up against a wall and SHOT. What is currently going on may not be considered in line with something such as the Holocaust, however given that these deaths are being used to continue this lockdown with all of the tragic consequences fro the entire World, the death toll may turn out to be much higher than anything Hitler, and Himler dreamed up. The first thing that should have been done was to isolate THE HOSPITAL. Only designated hospitals should have been allowed to treat COVID-19 cases. While the staff therein should have been housed within the facility, for the duration of the epidemic. IMO the way the NHS is currently conducting itself is MANSLAUGHTER if not 2nd degree murder. The good news is that our NHS will not be able to create both its own cases and fatalities for much longer as soon enough virtually every person working at the hospital including the car park and cleaning staff will have the antibodies, and so the number of both cases and deaths will suddenly plummet to all but zero.
"In an era of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" This shows yet again what a dangerous time we live in. An era of mass conformity, where anyone seeking the truth is regarded with great suspicion.
Interested in another extended discussion about coronavirus? We spoke to Sadiq Khan last week: ua-cam.com/video/vQsehonB2RE/v-deo.html EDIT: If the Mayor of London upsets you, here's Douglas Murray: ua-cam.com/video/rQgjp0ikgFg/v-deo.html
Peter Hitchens, thank you for you well outspoken assessment of the situation. I have one criticizm of an occasional interview habit of yours: You make a pause after seemingly completing some of your answers which the interviewer takes as a chance to continue with their questions. THEN you continue talking over the interviewers next question. While I appreciate your elaboration and emphasis of important points in your answers it would make for a more fluently understandable interview if you instructed the interviewer to wait for a clear signal from you that they can continue with their next question ONCE you have finished your answer and elaborations (which imo are not redundant). (this linked interview is my reference: m.ua-cam.com/video/WERVFs8pP4A/v-deo.html) With Thanks for your strong message, Rolf.
This man and his brother are the best orrators England's had in years,, yet we never listen to them, as he said read up on it, and find out for yourself, ignore imperial college and the lies, and ignore the virus advice, do what I do and live as I did before,
*Imperial College* should be shut down and all of its assets (as well as those of individuals involved in the projection of fatality figures) sold off and the revenue put back into the Treasury. Furthermore, the *BBC* licence fee should be revoked *with immediate effect* for its part in promoting the disproportionate response and, oftentimes, hysteria surrounding this whole sorry show.
For liberty and freedom to exist, it must be accepted that there may be deaths. The constant rhetoric that one death is too many is a fallacy. UNECESSARY DEATH is the tragedy. The price of freedom is constant vigilance and that means accepting that to have liberty and personal freedoms you must not sacrifice them on the alter of the fallacy of security and safety.
Peter Hitchens is one of the few true journalists left. He has done a brilliant job reporting on the Covid issue. He's also made sure not to get sucked into the whole conspiracy theory aspect of things which people use to discredit anyone with a differing viewpoint. Good interviewer too, he let Hitchens talk unlike many of the interviews I've watched.
I don’t always agree with Peter Hitchens on issues but I certainly agree with him on this. We all need to take person responsibility and question the narrative and do not consent. ✌🏼
Taking on board a range of perspectives before making a decision is a trait of good leadership. Ignoring perspectives under the assumption you've already got it right is dangerous arrogance.
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"Peter Hitchens is an author and columnist for the Mail on Sunday.
He is a lonely dissenting voice"
He isn't a lonely dissenting voice at all. Many, many, people agree with him.
But we dont have a public voice.
i imagine it could take some force of will to resist journalistic clichés, especially when you're just getting started.
Yea but you wouldnt know that by watching the news
@@mysterycat432 What would you know from watching the news?
@Peter Rumsby So where do you get your info from?
How many will die because their non covid medical treatment is delayed. Even dentists are closed.
Yes thank God I don't currently have a toothache because I certainly would not want to visit a COVID-19 invested general hospital anytime soon. I think I would rather pull it out myself.
We are denied access to the NHS to "Save the NHS".
We need the NHS for future elections to be fought over.
fly bobbie True!
I know of someone who has had a leg removed because the doctors didn't pick up on the fact the person was diabetic, it was the paramedic that attended told him so. His foot went gangrenous and had to be removed above the knee. This poor soul can't have visitors, is hungry because the hospital aren't feeding him enough and he just wants to go home.
The mass of figures are given to frighten the public.
Of course they are....and the tinfoil hats are free
@PJ Scotland What are you talking about
But they exist and are real. In the U.K. They are only counting deaths due to Covid-19 in Hospitals, the real death toll is much higher, WHO did not think it was going to be a pandemic and said so publicly, now look at it. Need I say more.
Yeh you're so right. FIGURES? Who needs them?
Facts? Oh, please protect us from facts.
I don't believe Peter Hitchens is a "lonely dissenting voice, arguing that the UK government's approach to tackling coronavirus is disproportionate to the threat it presents." There are many others including experts in epidemiology, virology and infectious diseases who agree with him.
Are they many others?...I like dissenters...peter is wrong on this though
May be now the measures taken seem to have failed shown by the huge numbers of deaths.
May be now the government could ease up on the restrictions especially in getting healthy people back to work.
@@georgeengland1699 And how do we know who is healthy?
Read UN Agenda 21, will explain everything, our lives as we know it, is lost if we don't act we all have to breat this shutdown
@@georgeengland1699 This is a cover up, read UN 21 if you read this it will change your views for ever.
he has not been a lone voice. millions agree but they dont have a platform
UA-cam used to be a platform for alternative views, but they have systematically deleted videos with 'dissenting' content, emptying half of my playlists and censoring most of my comments.
You cannot outrun a virus anyway we cannot be inside forever. If I was people Id aim for cleaner air and maybe many wouldnt die of a virus! Go outside and clean the air just a thought
Oh well, obviously they're right then. If they've not heard of him all that shows is that they are ignorant and ill-informed.
Thank you, Joe, for this excellent conversation: you asked intelligent questions and allowed Peter Hitchens the proper space to answer them.
Such behaviour is rare in these heated, tribalised times: well done.
☝️😎
Totally and completely agree!!!!! Interviews don't happen like this anymore!
True. Every newsnight dialogue is nipped in the bud. MSM never contact risky voices.
A different breed of man distinct from the herd of sheep.
Good interview. It took me a while to accept but I’m now convinced Peter is correct. No Government policy is made worse by scrutiny and yet I have seen next to nothing in the MSM. A worrying sign indeed.
And you won't see anything in the MSM either which I agree is very insidious. It is plainly obvious that this was all planned a long time ago to cause fear and panic which the Government uses to control the population.
The Man But that assumes the lockdown achieves this. Other countries have taken a different approach. There should at least be a debate about it if stakes are so high
The Man agreed, there are other possibilities for mitigation. The matter should at least be debated. As PH says, no policy does not benefit scrutiny
@@TheMan-it7px like how many other viruses? Flu, RSV ?
@@TheMan-it7px referring to your lesser of 2 evils comment. But I'm sure you are aware of flu and RSV deaths, and I know I wont change your mind
Peter is the new rockstar. We sit on opposite ends of the political spectrum but he is speaking out for freedom, God bless him.
Considering the closing section of this video, it is refreshing to hear this gentleman passionately defend liberty. I don't hear many voices in the media or government put it in those terms.
Ideological possession is the greatest killer of humans.
What liberty is he defending? the right to be exploited by big business?
@@martinarnold5239 Nope. Just the right to make your own decisions. A far more important right than you seem to realise.
@@martinarnold5239 PH is a Burkean conservative, not some kind of free market absolutist. He covered the strikes in the 70s when they happened and spoke to many involved on all sides. He frequently criticises the privatisation of railways. He has plenty of words both for and against the Thatcher years, he criticised her sale of council houses and handling of the collapse of industry.
Liberty is not worship of commerce. And no one wants to be pushed around by officials either.
@@PopeCromwell We have an economy prone to crisis too fragile to handle a pandemic. Instead of arguing for something better, Hitchens is parading his ignorance of the virus and the effects. We all want freeom, but he offers nothing
From one of the Covid-19 daily briefings (and I'm paraphrasing here, I cannot remember what was said verbatim):
Reporter: Why are the airports still open? Why are there still passenger flights from Milan, Beijing, NYC?
Government: Because we're following the science, and the science says closing airports won't make a difference.
Is it just me, or is there something wrong with this picture?
Scott Deagan yes something is wrong
I agree 100% and today it was announced that some 1,000 foreign workers are being flown into the UK to harvest fresh fruit and vegetables.
By closing their airspace to China traffic January 31, Italy, the US and the like put President Moon under tremendous pressure. Google it, 1.5 million South-Koreans signed a petition asking for impeachment. He prohibited flights from Wuhan, a moot point since its airport closed on January 23, and followed WHO guidelines in allowing flights from China and concentrating on testing and isolating affected individuals. Nowadays South Korea has less than 20 new Covid-19 cases a day, the US 30 000/day, and Moon's party comfortably won last week election. The science says that closing airports is as good a strategy as going after the red cape in a bullfighting arena. Ignore it at your peril.
Scott Deagan this comment has aged well 😂😂😂
Very wrong and very I concerning. Do not consent ! Question the narrative.direct experience and logic needs to be awakened within the people to start thinking for themselves ✌🏼✌🏼
When we have the police chief saying we will check what you have in your shopping cart to see if your trip was essential , otherwise you will be fined then we have a problem . What if you buy a dvd at the same time as buying food, will you be FINED ???, the police are talking about CRIMINAL RECORDS for this stuff , possibly PRISON , for going to the SHOPS.
Priti Patel has said that police should NOT be checking people's shopping. They've gone power mad, let's hope someone keeps them in check.
Given that whenever you go to a supermarket, you have to queue(I spent over an hour last Friday), its unlikely that anyone would go for just one item, and as the home secretary as said, they do not have a remit to do this.
@Eat the pork There is none the police have been abusing their powers for years people are just mentioning it now because it's another reason to resist these recent changes to our lives.
How DARE you buy a DVD to watch while you're stuck at home under house arrest.
Sounds a bit like the gestapo to me !
He is not a lonely, dissenting voice: millions of people outside the media bubble have agreed with him since the start of this. Now we are even seeing more public and media figures joining him. As usual - as with the Iraq war, foot and mouth, the failings of the police, the Syria bombings, and much else - he was courageous and correct from the beginning.
I saw an interview with Peter Hitchens one time in a magazine where the interviewer started pointing out the lack of logic in his views, and he admitted to her that he adopted contrarian views just because it gave him a living. It's very dangerous to do that in this situation though. People's lives are more important than his ability to stay in the limelight and earn his living. Listen to the scientists and the medics, not a b*llsh*tter.
@@heliotropezzz333 Well, you managed to remember Peter's name, no problem... Did you happen to catch the name of the interviewer, or the magazine, or the topic being discussed?
@@ub2bn No, sorry, it was quite some time ago and the interviewer wasn't someone famous, not famous to me anyway. I hardly read magazines except in a dentist's or doctor's waiting room. I wouldn't forget Peter's name. My husband went to school with him.
@@heliotropezzz333 Another way to put it, might be, Peter learned to play "devil's advocate". This is an important "skill" one must learn, if they desire to investigate/debate any subject, thoroughly.... Iron sharpens iron, and that sort of thing... You appear to be implying, Peter is just arguing, for arguments sake. But with that, I would have to disagree, wholeheartedly. He is being very forthright, in my judgement.
One must count the costs, always. And he and others have done so... or are at least doing so, to the best of their abilities, given the many influences/factors involved. If one wants to know how these shutdown measures will affect the economy, unbiased economists would be the folks to listen too, I would think. But too many folks are getting their "news" from headlines and click bait, these days... This is not good. ;(
@@ub2bn From everything I've read (and I don't read clickbait) and from what I've read about how the virus spreads, being 'proportionate' in terms of lockdown or other measures, as Peter Hitchens suggests, would not work. Maybe if, in the beginning, we had enough tests to ensure we knew who had the virus and who they'd all been in contact with, it might have worked, but there were never enough tests in the beginning (there still aren't now) and once the spread escalates, it quickly gets beyond any possibility of controlling it with testing and tracing alone.
Totally agree that we should question everything and that includes the figures told to us.
Yeah! It's fake news! Don't believe experts! Down with the WHO! Go out and shake hands with every person you see and sniff their hair! I'm right behind you, brother!
With regard to deaths. The people who die are primarily going to die in a short time anyway. Latest report from my local hospital is two dead in last 24 hours. One 90 years old and other over 80, both with underlying health issues.
A proportion of deaths are going to be people who would have died this year anyway. I'd be hesitant at this stage to say 'primarily'. Either way, there are still going to be many thousands of people dying who would have had decades left to go.
@@chrisharrison763 And your evidence for that?
taken from our own .gov website on death statistics;
then 181 deaths involving COVID-19 occurred in week 12, which is higher than the figures the DHSC publish as it includes deaths related to COVID-19 that took place outside of hospitals and those not tested for COVID-19.
The deaths outside hospital that involved Covid 19 were people who had existing issues. Covid 19 is a SARS virus and as such kills by attacking the respirotary system. It is only in hospital that respirotary support is active. Ventilation and intubation. Anyone who died outside of hospital DID NOT die from Covid 19. They died with Covid 19 from whatever ailed them. It is common to see figures in uk in flu season of 12,000 deaths attributed to influenza. The British Medical Journal quotes Death figures for influenza in a total reported of 12,000 as around 550 influenza. The rest died with it not from it. Miked
@@michaeldeath7430 yeah I was agreeing, it says at the bottom, "and those not tested for Covid 19" the statistics goes up without verification
I've watched several interviews with Peter Hitchens over the past few days and this is the first in which interviewer and interviewee get to make their points without interrupting each other. Thank you for presenting Peter's logical and dissenting voice so professionally. I agree with him wholeheartedly.
Peter Hitchens has a grasp of history most people don't
very true. It's painful to watch him debating with many moronic commentators, many of them relatively young and incredibly ill educated. He bases many of his arguments on historical precedence, they don't even know the history but base their arguments on emotion.
I do. I went to a good school.
Basic arithmetic leads to a necessary questioning of government policy. The number of deaths is known, but a percentage of these are ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ Covid. Therefore the number of actual Covid deaths is lower. It is also certain that due to limited testing, the number of infected is larger than currently stayed (a recent study suggests we have only measured 6% of actual infections). Taken together, these two facts indicate the actual mortality rate is lower than currently stated, to some degree. By some measures a very large degree. A basic understanding of statistics necessarily leads to dissent on logical grounds alone.
Here are Italy's numbers. Early reports said those who died, had an average of >>> 3 pre-existing conditions
@Jeremy Horne Largely irrelevant even if the virus would only target those with comorbidities. Purely according to odds, if you are 55 or older you are 70% likely to have at least one health condition. In countries like Italy, the mean population age is 45, which means there's a huge number of age 55+ people with comorbidities, but these are not some people sitting in care homes, most are still expected to go to work for another 10 years.
It's all irrelevant when the healthcare system becomes overburdened. It doesn't matter whether it's an underlying issue. If you can't gain access to health care, there will be an increase in the number of preventable deaths.
@Jeremy Horne I'm content with assuming the deaths reported to be a result of covid are indeed that, but the ACTUAL fatality rate is key. The news doesn't mention this EVER, they only ever tell of case fatality rate.
@Mahala Films a base of young deaths without pre existing illness is irrelevant. If hospitals are at capacity, being filled with people due to covid, or supposedly covid, then capacity + 1 patients take a back seat.
What's the common denominator in New York, Spain, Iran, UK and Italy..... Or does flu season in these places always see freezer trucks waiting outside hospitals to collect the dead and local parks being used as makeshift cemeteries?
The country is run by the media, a media that is run by consensus. Peter Hitchen is one of the only journalist with the balls to stand up and call out this consensus. I for one would never have thought that I would agree with anything the Peter Hitchen says. I was more in line with his late brother, sorry about that. I want to see how the figures stand up in Sweden in 6 months time. If the figures are not very different from other countries as regards infections and deaths then it is going to make us look very, very silly and stupid.
I wonder what Christopher Hitchens would have said of this period? I suspect he would have been highly sceptical about some of the claims
@@croydonrudeness1079 Me too, I think this is a situation where both the brothers would have been in rare harmony!
And David icke.
@@paulkazjack David Icke is not even in the spectrum of intellect as the Hitchens. Icke is not really of sound mind, when you listen to some of his beliefs.
Peter talking sense again!
I can remember when unemployment was 3M and it was not that bad.
Some people are misunderstanding Hithens on these points and many more are pretending to misunderstand him. He has never claimed (and I'm sure never will) that this isn't a very nasty disease. He is only questioning the extreme measures taken to combat it and why we have no public, let alone parliamentary, debate on it.
Keep making noise Peter.
But it is orders of magnitude less nasty as we have been led to believe because of the Media generated hysteria!
Agree with most of what Peter has to say..he is sensible amongst twits..
Or he is a twit among the sensible. Depends on how you look at it.
@@MSM4U2POM Only if you're a twit.
@@flumpaustin1994 I'd say starting out an atheist and converting to religion makes you a pretty spectacular twit, my friend. But then, who am I to judge?
what do you think you know about the man?
@@MSM4U2POM A twit?
The government is subordinate to people not the people to the government. Aristotle
@Katharine Henegan Derives from the fact that there is no talk about democracy anywhere especially in education the establishment does not want well informed citizens
The word democracy (dēmokratia) derives from dēmos, which refers to the entire citizen body: the People. Athenians done enough in creating their political system to eventually influence subsequent civilizations two millennia later.
Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle.
@@MackemChops So you would like to think so
@Steve Hayes Politics
Well put Mr hitchens! Fair point. Let it be known for the record.
I'm I the only one who can't stand his face and pompous accent
I am totally with Peter on this one. I know and have recently communicated with many men over the age of 75, some well over, and none of them want this lockdown to go on a single day longer. This is spite that all of the are retired, spend almost all of their time at home anyway, and none still own any kind of business. Older generations were made of sterner stuff, and are far more interested and concerned for the future of their children, grandchildren, and in many cases great grandchildren then themselves.
We have a human tragedy unfolding before our eyes, which will adversely affect our children far more than ourselves, yet it is they that seem the least concerned by it. Such is the power of a statist indoctrination, communication via social media, and video games. None of them seem to miss their friend as hardly any of them have any real ones. They don't miss their outside activities because they hardly have any of those either, especially any which are more fun than playing Medal of Honor on a playstation 4, all of their waking hours.
As a chap born in 1960, I can only imagine how crazy I would have gone being stuck in the house all day, with nothing but Watch With Mother on the TV.
Just not going to happen when I was 16, even if I had to climb out of the window, and never come home again.
In my own case my company which I started shortly after leaving school, and which has taken me 42 years to build is now going permanently bankrupt which will require me to sell our home at the very bottom of the market. To say that my entire young families future looks grim in the extreme is a serious understatement, as my wife also works for the company. A particular shame because after 12 years of particular struggle to rebuild it from what happened in 2008, things had just started to go rather well. Now I have zero cash flow, zero orders, and a fair prospect that at least half of my customers will never open again, and so never pay up their accounts. While compared to some people I know, I am in a better position then they are.
I calculate that if I can get at least some turnover within the next 4 weeks I may be able to just hold on, but only if I sack all of my staff including myself and my wife. Which certainly won't please the chancellor, but at least it will be better then the government paying to house my entire family and pay my sickness benefit, child benefits and pension, because if I go bust I swear on all that is holy I will never do a single paid days work for the rest of my life, even if I could find one to do. This country will have had me over just once too often.
Gary Powell very sorry to hear your story Gary. I wish you better fortune soon.
Your story is a sorry one indeed. Let’s hope you can keep the business afloat and hope for better times around the corner. In the meantime here’s Noel Coward to cheer you up! ua-cam.com/video/WFhTsunuXpY/v-deo.html
I'm baffled by your post because it fails to take into account why the lockdown is in place. There are people already having cancer treatments cancelled because the NHS is overwhelmed, and this is when we're supposedly containing it.
What do you think would happen if we let things progress naturally?
Gary Powell - I hope you can rebuild and salvage something to move forward with.
@@ewanhill677 And bear in mind there are families who have suffered the loss of love ones, Darren. Remember and extend your sympathies to them too.
Peter Hitchens is the voice of rational sanity ---
Peter Hitchens is one of the Most Eminent and Intellectual people in the UK let alone on the Planet! I have followed him for over 20 years. He is 100% Correct!
What these people always forget. Is in WW2, industry was ramped right up!. Not shut down.
... and the industries of your opponent were bombed to oblivion.
Phil Harland Yep.
Hi Geof
"Sobbing" ... ?? I think perhaps you misunderstood the intention of the comment.
What has this got to do wtih WWII? Completely different scenarios.
Peter is absolutely correct - I’m a great admirer.
Sweden called it spot on
Sweden haven’t exactly got it right. Over a thousand people have died there where as in their neighbouring countries,Norway and Finland, far less due to their lockdowns.
Ang Goose still doesn't warrant shutting down a whole economy - our elected representatives are complete jokes. They've lied from the outset of this PLANDEMIC - I have been vindicated with my initial assumptions - the whole thing is a war on medium and small businesses.
They're all criminals
@@anggoose2782 But consider the impact in those countries under lockdown on 'avoidable deaths' - for example things like cancer, diabetes, sepsis etc. The current estimate of avoidable deaths in the UK CAUSED by Lockdown is around 150,000. Yes, you read that right - 150,000. Sweden will NOT have that level of avoidable deaths to add to the corona cases.
Sweden has 10x the daily deaths of Norway or Finland who locked down. So if UK had followed the Swedish model the daily death rate right now would be 6000 plus
Neil Rowe it's a big con or as I call it a PLANDEMIC - it's a fascist ideology (non essential (obsolete) and essential).
The whole government / media have proven what criminals they are.
You've drunk the corona cool-aid and can't be brought back. Oh enjoy your vaccines and microchip inserts.
Peter Hitchens is a man who is always worth listening to.
David mclachlan no he’s not. He’s a goddamned moron
I'd say worth listening to, not worth agreeing with blindly however...
@@whirled_peas I didn't say agreeing blindly to either, just being open to an alternative view point which Peter Hitchens usually offers.
He’s an agitator and turncoat .
@@laurathompson8500 , and now after several weeks into the lockdown many people are becoming to realise that he could be right, the 'cure' for the virus could in the long term be more damaging than the disease itself.
Great discussion, and thanks Joe for allowing Peter Hitchens to talk!
'We are including in Covid deaths, the number of people dying with it not of it' This needs to be repeated over and over until people start considering what the implications of that might actually be. Only then will discussions actually start to resemble a more honest, balanced and considered debate on what is actually happening with this disease.
most people have a bit of the virus which is not in large enough numbers to bother us so would be detected in any test.
Absolutely
One of the reasons I like Peter Hitchens is that he tells you his Bias
His critics invariably do not
But there terribly good at slogans !
He is only a lonely dissenting voice because the msm will not allow People like Prof Ioannidis and Prof Bakhdi a platform. It shows what a poor situation we are in when a small youtuber is a much better interviewer than the MSM luminaries.
You are not wrong Peter ! I am sure there are a lot more people who sympathise with your views rather than the sheeple , who do not appear able to think for themselves anymore .
That's your trouble, maurice. You use the rhetoric of the sensible Right because YOU can't think for yourself. It's entirely what the Left do and they do it all the time. In fact, when it comes to the truth, the Left claim that it's entirely subjective - and so they feel they can justify anything they say and when they get it wrong they play dumb - another postmodern leftist practice.
I think Professor Peter Gotzshe is right when he calls the coronavirus lockdown "An epidemic of mass panic and logic was one of the first victims."
In winter 2018 in England and Wales 50,100 people died. Yet there was no lockdown and crashing the economy
I think my figures are right (pls check) but on average 17k ppl per year die of "flu", or related problems, and as you say, we don't lockdown and social distance every 12 months
Those that die of the flu were narrowly saved by death by pinprick. Senseless comparison.
a month not a quarter
If I see this statement once more i'm gonna lose it. It is not about the number it is the rate at which they are being admitted to hospital and subsequent ICU admission. If the ICU is FULL of covid patients every other patient suffers and leads to more deaths than usual. This means patients with Asthma, Heart attacks, Elipepsy, Road traffic accidents etc who normally occupy ICU will die at an alarming rate because they cannot be escalated to higher levels of care.
@@bigsoso20 rta acidents hardly exist.at.atm
Peter Hitchens is today’s Sgt Wilson “Do you really think that’s wise Sir ? “ and rightly so.. we have forgotten that “Life” is 100% fatal
Yes ! oh Yes ! I also believe most of us have it , have had it and its now really a positive fact of life , and it will never go away- no one has dodged death yet to my knowledge --
mel ware some Jewish bloke is said to have beaten it once.... but personally I think that’s bollocks 🤔😎😉
@@mashbury well Peter Hitchens does not think that's bollocks which is why I prefer the views of his late brother
dakrontu , Seeing as currently I have one parent with a terminal Brain tumour ( 1-4 months to live ) and another with leukaemia and dementia ( 2-6 months, BOTH unable to see or visit in these last few months due to Corvid restrictions) you will perhaps forgive me if I don’t engage in this particular conversation.. I have every intention of “jumping off a cliff” when the time comes my friend.. most likely via a large case of Rum, 2 or 3 Russian crack whores and a nice warm beach somewhere .. my “Point” is the medical world has extended and extended “life” by its procedures and advances in technology but they have failed to improve the quality of life for those coming towards the end of life. This I have seen with both my parents as well as others. I agree with you in your preference for the late great “Hitch” views over his brothers opinion but Peter still has valid points to make on this particular subject I feel..
Hitchens is a stuck-up old fart and trying to make traction in the wake of the fame and genuine greatness of his brother, Christopher. He is so far wrong with this COVID-19 rubbish he's spouting, his brother will be turning in his grave!
Very well said Peter.
You really are NOT alone in your views and I am glad you are managing to be heard.
Sweden population 10 million 900 deaths ( as I write)
Scotland population 5 million 450 deaths ( as I write) - so basically they are having the same (horrible) death outcome.
Two countries with very different government approaches to this horrible virus. Lots of people will be in financial straits in both countries after this Pandemic, however, the Scottish (and the UK) economy is being severely damaged as we speak with 100,000's of individuals seeking payouts from the State. While Sweden's economy is going to be far less damaged afterward.
Something needs to give and we need to stop all the rhetoric and get down to governing without the constant eye on the future election results. Politicians have an eye on their futures when they should be concentrating on the reality of properly funding our health service ( and being self-sufficient as a country in P.P.E. etc) as we look at the underfunding of France, Spain and Italy's health services as against the German health service the death numbers are vastly different.
Our politicians on both sides of the house need to be raising more questions about how Sweden's sensible measures to reduce the virus spread and on Germany's superior health service in being able to tackle this virus.
The UK (and the rest of Europe) is going to be in a financial mess for many years to come if people do not start getting back to work, with all sensible precautions in place and stop placing all our trust in a graph with its doom and gloom outlook.
Question!, Question!, Question!.
On the upside the 'fake' self employed people can finally go back on the dole.
At one time journalists were considered investigative journalists, there to seek out the truth, instead now just mouth pieces and repeating the government line.
Now Known As Yellow Journalists.
The interviewer did a good job. Congratulations.
Lots of folks focusing on what politicians are saying, but I don't hear folks talking about how the Banksters are the ones really running things. What's that old quote? "Give me control of a Country's money, and I care not for her laws".
Hitchens gets it. We need more of his ilk.
Jack Sargent I agree with you 100%. Sooner listen to Peter Hitchens views on Covid19 than any politician. The man talks sense
They're all busy being censored or self-censoring.
Ahh yes the foot and mouth episode, remember it well, looking back at it can anybody explain that on 11th september 2001 when the jets flew into the world trade centre, foot and mouth ended overnight, i mean it was abundant before that day and gone the next, they found the miracle cure for it in 1 day, what was that all about then.
in april 01 i was looking after a neighbours stock, 10 stirks, maff came to test them, the owner was also present, they suspected foot and mouth, i was quarenteened for 4 days until results came back, the owner was sent home to his farm that diddent have foot and mouth, fortunetly they were clear, but why send the owner back, he should have been quarenteened aswell, funny that !!!
Well observed, you are unusual in that your memory is still working.
@@Theflyingpotato interesting statement, my immiediate memory is shot , but i remember the past no problem, no theory to the conspiracy here, i witnessed it all with my own eyes.
John R the modern world of internet needs to be able have access to real world experience. Your personal experience invaluable.
A very good interview, indeed. I cannot tell if the interviewer agrees or disagrees with Mr. Hitchens outlook on what is said...that is rare, rare, rare in today's world of biased/conflict driven "interviews". Very well done PoliticsJOE, astute questions and it was lovely to see a proper amount of patience for Mr. Hitchens responses as well. I'm subsrcibed. Thank you.
Peter is spot on as useual.
Two weeks ago, I'd never heard of Peter Hitchens. I feel like I've known him for years now due to the amount of hours I've spent listening to him.
Read his books (The Abolition of Liberty for example); he talks a lot of sense (with some bollocks mixed up in there as well)
Anyone born during the second war or just after will have a totally different attitude to the present generation.
I very much enjoyed that interview. Unhurried and considerate conversation. Now why cant the 'flagship' programmes like newsnight on the BBC operate that way?
I am in Thailand
The figures here as I write are 36 deaths
These are recorded deaths died of corona virus
Many have died of underlying conditions and road accidents
Most people wear masks before the outbreak so no problems as to social distance
Curfew at 10pm
Local province rules apply as to alcohol sales etc food shops remain open and take away prevail but life goes on very much as normal
Why the uk needs such draconian measures is very concerning
I’m with Peter
If my plane had not been cancelled I would now be locked up effectively because I am single and 72
I wonder what the reasoning is for the curfew?
The situation is so serious that we are in “lockdown” while charter flights are bringing in 100s of Rumanian farm labourers to pick vegetables and Ireland is flying in it’s share of Bulgarian “horticultural specialists”, that’s strawberry pickers to you and me. The British unemployed are applying for these jobs but are not wanted.
15,000 people arrive EVERY DAY at British airports from plague hotspots like China, Italy and Spain and walk unchallenged into society at large.
The Guardian releases a video telling the British people “You clap for me now” which shows immigrant talking heads explaining how grateful a “once proud nation” should be to all these “lifesavers” in the NHS and food production.
With all the scary death totals we are being bombarded with daily, we seem to be getting softened up for even more globalisation and mass immigration to replace the losses and boost the other idol we should worship, the GDP.
According to a Financial Times April 17th article, in a normal year, less than 0,5% of the crop picking crew is British. These emergency arrivals are due to the fact that farmers claim they currently have 10% of the needed workforce. Whether you are right or the National Farmers Union is right I don't know because I am not a farmer or UK resident.
The only man who talks sense
David Icke does too.
...no... the trump and the bojo have got that base covered. LMFAO
This man has not been a voice of dissent. He merely puts forward a view. It is up to us to decide if it is dissent, or if it is common sense.
Good God what ever happened to being ruled by the will of the people. Well done Peter for trying to educate people what is going on.
Excellent interview, fear not Peter, many of us are with you on this.
If anyone watched 93 days about the Ebola outbreak in Lagos, Nigeria, they isolated only the people who became infected by the disease. Anyone who had symptoms had to ring a number, were picked up by an ambulance and took away from the towns and villages to a remote makeship hospital and treated in isolation with medicine given in water bottles. This is what should have been done, not close down the whole world, because now they have caused an even bigger problem than this so called flu. Xxx
at last a man who has a logical analysis of this awful situation .
The normal daily death rate according to Public Health England is around the 1600. Bare in mind road traffic accidents have gone down during the shut down so have other accidents and fatalities. As Peter correctly states people have died with corona virus not of corona. How many victims have died of normal flu or pneumonia that have been included in the Corona figures? There are issues with regards to man power and resources for the NHS. But that really is a logistic issue that has exposed the shortcomings of a decade of austerity. In the long term this shut down will be catastrophic for the economy and the NHS.
I hope more people start supporting Peter.
He’s racking up twitter followers pretty quickly since I started following him couple weeks ago.
All too late I’m afraid. The damage is already done. We will now have to deal with the awful fallout over the coming years
One thing that HAS come out of all this. That is GCHQ. so called "Countries security Services"
Have not said a word... I will say it. THEY ARE WORTH LESS!
He is right to question the status quo - lest we all fall into mass mind control. 😎
Stream of money from the magic money forest. Genius.
We have NO Opposition in the UK parliament now! Mr Hitchens speaks total common sense and is one of the few real journalists left that get a chance of an interview. Keep going.
Fair play to Joe for having Peter on. He’s always the first in line for honest, open debate. Hopefully the furious listeners can take on board some of his interesting and articulate points.
I and millions agree with you Peter. Please don't stop although you often get abuse from the ill-informed and those with an agenda-- you are a sane voice in a world gone mad.
he's been a "lonely voice of decent"
translation, you only read people you agree with
Learn to spell, jackass.
Why don't we all just go out tomorrow and rise up what have we got to lose? This virus' is not going to go away by us hiding at home this can't go on we need to work!
I totally agree with what you’re saying Peter Hitchens. I’m so frustrated that journalists are not asking these questions.
Very good interview thank you
I don’t think I’ve ever really agreed with Peter on anything but with each passing day I find myself agreeing with him on this.
I on the other hand have had the discernment to always have known that he is a genius!
Peter Hitchens is always reliable on researching the whole problem
This morning the 'news'on classic fm anounced in its 6am buletin the number of people dying WITH covin19.(and not OF it)This is the first time such a term has been used.Could it be there is a change in reporting taking
place.?
many of us are voicing our concerns
Men of England, wherefore plough
For the lords who lay ye low?
Wherefore weave with toil and care
The rich robes your tyrants wear?
Wherefore feed and clothe and save,
From the cradle to the grave,
Those ungrateful drones who would
Drain your sweat -- nay, drink your blood?
Wherefore, Bees of England, forge
Many a weapon, chain, and scourge,
That these stingless drones may spoil
The forced produce of your toil?
Have ye leisure, comfort, calm,
Shelter, food, love's gentle balm?
Or what is it ye buy so dear
With your pain and with your fear?
The seed ye sow another reaps;
The wealth ye find another keeps;
The robes ye weave another wears;
The arms ye forge another bears.
Sow seed, -- but let no tyrant reap;
Find wealth, -- let no imposter heap;
Weave robes, -- let not the idle wear;
Forge arms, in your defence to bear.
Shrink to your cellars, holes, and cells;
In halls ye deck another dwells.
Why shake the chains ye wrought? Ye see
The steel ye tempered glance on ye.
With plough and spade and hoe and loom,
Trace your grave, and build your tomb,
And weave your winding-sheet, till fair
England be your sepulchre!
Percy Bysshe Shelley.
The NHS reaches capacity most years anyway - this was mentioned at one of the daily briefings. Go back 10 years, look at the data.
Go on Peter! Ris he the only real Journalist left in the UK?
Yay, Peter Hitchens, always interesting.
This young man asked all the right questions and Mr Hitchens gave all the right answers. We need to open the country/economy up and instigate damage limitation...
By now (25th May) it's largely known that the mortality figures are being bumped up by every death being recorded as a C-19 death, whether it being by heart attack, RTA, cancer - ANYTHING and everything, which Mr Hitchens brought out... Great man...
uk gov is not fit
Interviewer is not really listening to him. Just interested in his next question.
I think you're right. You can see where his eyes just keep wondering.
An interesting alternate path, but a lone voice, we are on our path chosen by the government and will wait to see the results, on a lighter note FACE TOUCHING Oli - 10 Peter 2 :)
Scientists have now advised, that if the lockdown is lifted, there would be 73,000 excess deaths this year. The cost of the lockdown is currently estimated by the Treasury to be £337,000,000,000.
That is working out at £4,616,438 per life saved.
Can please make all aware of this astounding cost. This should be put into the context where many people are denied life saving drugs which cost a fraction of this figure.
Surely there must be a better way forward ?
Irrevocably and myriad within 3 seconds of each other. Noice
The NHS is not overwhelmed it still has many empty beds. We keep being told that NHS staff need protection from the public, but the facts indicate that the public need protection from the staff. Medical staff wear masks not to stop them catching various things especially viruses from the patient they were them to stop giving such things to an already distressed patient.
I was informed just yesterday that a friend of mine in his late 80's was admitted into a general hospital after suffering a fall over 4 weeks ago. He was given an operation and was about to be released from hospital. However he contracted COVID-19 4 days ago in HOSPITAL, and died of pneumonia on Saturday morning.
There must be at least hundreds of these types of cases, which I have no doubt outnumber the amount of NHS staff dying from catching COVID-19 from the patience by at least 10-1, and I would suggest by an much higher proportion. The reason for this is simple to understand, and very logical. Staff are young, fit and healthy people, whereas patience are very often none of these things.
If COVID-19 is even close to as infectious as we are told it is, then it would seem logical to expect that virtually every single employee of a general hospital either currently has COVID-19 or has had it.
The constant hero worshipping of The NHS I find quite nauseating. Individual staff may or may not be doing great work, but the organisation as a whole ought to be put up against a wall and SHOT. What is currently going on may not be considered in line with something such as the Holocaust, however given that these deaths are being used to continue this lockdown with all of the tragic consequences fro the entire World, the death toll may turn out to be much higher than anything Hitler, and Himler dreamed up.
The first thing that should have been done was to isolate THE HOSPITAL. Only designated hospitals should have been allowed to treat COVID-19 cases. While the staff therein should have been housed within the facility, for the duration of the epidemic. IMO the way the NHS is currently conducting itself is MANSLAUGHTER if not 2nd degree murder.
The good news is that our NHS will not be able to create both its own cases and fatalities for much longer as soon enough virtually every person working at the hospital including the car park and cleaning staff will have the antibodies, and so the number of both cases and deaths will suddenly plummet to all but zero.
4 people were at the cinema because of your choice of movie not the virus peter!
"In an era of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" This shows yet again what a dangerous time we live in. An era of mass conformity, where anyone seeking the truth is regarded with great suspicion.
Interested in another extended discussion about coronavirus? We spoke to Sadiq Khan last week: ua-cam.com/video/vQsehonB2RE/v-deo.html
EDIT: If the Mayor of London upsets you, here's Douglas Murray: ua-cam.com/video/rQgjp0ikgFg/v-deo.html
PoliticsJOE no thanks
Nope, me neither 👎
Thanks, but no.
I'll paas on that too.
No thanks, Khan is a pointless creature. I'd get more sense listening to the cat!
Peter Hitchens, thank you for you well outspoken assessment of the situation. I have one criticizm of an occasional interview habit of yours:
You make a pause after seemingly completing some of your answers which the interviewer takes as a chance to continue with their questions.
THEN you continue talking over the interviewers next question. While I appreciate your elaboration and emphasis of important points in your answers it would make for a more fluently understandable interview if you instructed the interviewer to wait for a clear signal from you that they can continue with their next question ONCE you have finished your answer and elaborations (which imo are not redundant). (this linked interview is my reference: m.ua-cam.com/video/WERVFs8pP4A/v-deo.html)
With Thanks for your strong message, Rolf.
This man and his brother are the best orrators England's had in years,, yet we never listen to them, as he said read up on it, and find out for yourself, ignore imperial college and the lies, and ignore the virus advice, do what I do and live as I did before,
*Imperial College* should be shut down and all of its assets (as well as those of individuals involved in the projection of fatality figures) sold off and the revenue put back into the Treasury.
Furthermore, the *BBC* licence fee should be revoked *with immediate effect* for its part in promoting the disproportionate response and, oftentimes, hysteria surrounding this whole sorry show.
erecting 5g towers without protest, the house arrest made sure of that
For liberty and freedom to exist, it must be accepted that there may be deaths. The constant rhetoric that one death is too many is a fallacy. UNECESSARY DEATH is the tragedy. The price of freedom is constant vigilance and that means accepting that to have liberty and personal freedoms you must not sacrifice them on the alter of the fallacy of security and safety.
Peter Hitchens is one of the few true journalists left. He has done a brilliant job reporting on the Covid issue. He's also made sure not to get sucked into the whole conspiracy theory aspect of things which people use to discredit anyone with a differing viewpoint. Good interviewer too, he let Hitchens talk unlike many of the interviews I've watched.
Never heard him talk so much sense. Can't argue much with any of it, shame....
Wow
Well said, well argued, you may well be right! For the sake of all freeborn englishmen, I really hope you are...
God bless and good night ...
Lack of discussion is a massive warning
I don’t always agree with Peter Hitchens on issues but I certainly agree with him on this. We all need to take person responsibility and question the narrative and do not consent. ✌🏼
Taking on board a range of perspectives before making a decision is a trait of good leadership. Ignoring perspectives under the assumption you've already got it right is dangerous arrogance.
Amputation stops an ingrown toenail