i always have been thinking religion is something to control people since you born they keep telling you believe in this or you going burn in hell or we going to make you see hell on earth , but I never have a clue about the beginning of Christianity , i watched so many documentaries last months , i can say this is the most informational rich one among all , thank you so much
The Roman Catholic Church is the Roman Empire 2.0 it has nothing to do with the true spiritual teachings when you understand there are forces in this planet that don’t want you to wake up because you are their food source energetically then you will look deeper otherwise you fall at the first hurdle
Something I've always questioned about religion/Christianity is that people always ask/pray for something outside themselves (God, Jesus, saints) to bring that which they pray for when in reality that power is within us but most of us haven't learned how to use it. Maybe religion was also established so that we'd stray from our own creative power. Easier to control a powerless society!
Religion doesn't stop u to think brother. The true meaning of the bible has been corrupted. A godless society isn't good either. Have u seen what America has become with all the woke agendas & all. They are chopping off underage children's private parts simply because a child identifies him/herself as a the opposite gender. They are trying to condone stealing & looting in the west. Criminals became immune to punishment in a godless society & America is a prime example of that.
It wasnt corrupted.....its doing what it was designed to do.......make people give up their current llives to the elitenow so they can have an afterlife......the elites know there is no afterlife. Basically the elites made it to steal lives@FixerUpper-cb3wo
Religion began as people tried to understand all the mysteries of life, death & the world. They came up with stories to explain the weather & other phenomena, & wondered what happened at death. Were their dead parents & other powerful people still around in some way, invisible but watching? Some ' explanations' became foundation myths, & some developed into religions. It was not some great plot to control the masses, just a natural result of ideas becoming 'truths' & conventions. People felt the need to keep the unseen powers on their side. It was better if you could see them as 'human' , & relatable, hence God's of human type you cold influence.
This documentary blew me away. It answered so many questions about the inconsistencies found the the bible and the sayings of Jesus. This video is a service to mankind. Thank you!
What inconsistencies did this video answer, and did you ever seek answers from anyone who had knowledge of the subject and who might therefore have been able to give you an explanation?
@@LanghamW1 Why would Jesus say to be a good slave? Why would he say render onto Caesar what is Caesar's? If he teaching liberation from our earthly domain those statements do not make sense at all. This video explains the political myth building that mankind has done for thousands of years. Witness it being alive and well in the modern Republican Party and in the thinking of Putin.
I love you ..Thankyou. enough words cannot Thankyou…I been studying this for a long time ,always thinking “How could a nobody woman in a little town in Kansas have come to this knowing”. …..focused study for 25 years as a Christian …then come to the strength of being able to deny Jesus and studying another 25 years….so happy some one out there on same thinking this thru
Way to go, James & Warren! The documentary format really helps to position the many pieces of the mosaic. I thoroughly enjoyed following the connections. Of course, the theory will ruffle a lot of feathers. That can’t be helped. The production, voiceovers and music all work well for me. You have much to be proud of. Those who give your theory earnest consideration will be better for it.
First. Glad to be here for this historic release and very excited to see what happens when the scholarship and academia engage with this ( if they ever do). I wonder just how far this will make it.
If there really were an almighty god who loves us and listens to our prayers, he'd damn sure not allow innocent babies and children suffer as so many do. Full stop.
They dont care. About anything. But themselves. Thats why their personal god is so great. Oh, and btw he only shows up on good days and times. Never bad. Thats only when personal satan comes around.
Since it's all false, but people need religion, I kind of wish we had kept the ancient Roman and Greek pantheon. Paganism is a lot more varied and fun.
Ha! Fewer hang-ups and sexual self-loathing, probably. And lots of fun. Society would definitely be different today without Christian repression, which radically suppressed the Roman culture.
A sword with two edges . Romans used jewish religion to save the empire , and churc becomes sescon power of the state . A simple aproach of tansition to new testament would be the wealth transfer of the aristocracy at that time stating with hasmonian dinasty and alexanders complited by flavians .. Family conections entanglement . Subjective historians mix with philosofers like Philo . Prior model Ptolemy I Soter and Plato 's Timeus @WarrenFahyAuthor @@WarrenFahyAuthor
@@buukkreider544 🤣 If I told you the story of the jesus happened today, would you believe me? Unless you're actually that gullible... never mind. The other day I booted the neighbor's cat. If I confess to some chomo behind a screen on the sabbath day, do I get to go to heaven when the angels select me?
I'm just glad that we no longer live in a world where religion can be forced, I can just live my life completely removed from the idiocy of the Abrahamic religions, and it's great 🤙
I wish that were truly so. False philosophical narrative is still forced and even more worrying is believed to be rock solid reality. Narrative is no longer religious but is more deceptive and beguiling than ever.
The fact that people in the world are so deeply delusional and will still believe the bible is real even with the abundance of proof that its not Is heartbreaking 😢
Like most cliches this eschews nuance in favor of brevity and catchiness, but also like many cliches it also is grounded on some truth. Believers are not fools, they are people searching for answers to questions that we cannot answer. They are looking for the comfort of being able to pretend that they know, and the comfort of belonging and encouragement. Claimed prophets may or may not be con men, they may sincerely believe they have had private revelation, but they also are only relying on personal experience and subjective interpretations of said personal experience. Apologist, for the most part, are con artists. But most believers are sincere people that just want some comforting things to believe in, even if they don’t comport with reality, they will reinterpret reality to conform to their pre-concluded beliefs.
@@MrMattSax What you're referring to is _sprituality_ - not religion. All religion is man-made and profane, an instrument of political power and social control.
@@donpetazaragomatuta9988it might be worth researching the origins of the word ‘God’. Our original creators name I’ve heard is ‘Yahuah’ The name God is apparently another pagon name to represent a title or idol. I AM YAHUAH THAT IS MY NAME, AND MY ESTEEM I DO NOT GIVE TO ANOTHER, NOR MY PRAISE TO IDOLS -Yashayahu (aka Isaiah) 42:8
Many believers who want to keep their faith in Jesus console themselves by saying that those who dispute the historical existence of Jesus were not present during the events, for example, when Jesus performed the miracles revealed by his apostles. However, the problem is that there was neither a Jesus nor apostles of Jesus. How can I be so sure? First, by analyzing the facts. There is no trace of Jesus during the so-called period of Jesus, neither in texts other than the Gospels nor in sculpted images of Jesus. Furthermore, all the portraits of Jesus have been found in the depictions of ancient gods such as Horus and others like the Greek god Dionysus, the god of alcohol who created alcohol by turning water into wine, etc., thousands or hundreds of years before. Additionally, all the Gospels are filled with contradictions, gaps, and anachronisms because they are human works and no human work is perfect. Finally, they made extensive use of typological style to construct their narrative. But the defenders of the historical existence thesis often cite Flavius Josephus as having mentioned Jesus outside the Gospels. The interest in the work of Joseph Atwill, the main character of this documentary, lies in the fact that he showed in his book "Caesar’s Messiah" that it was precisely the family of this Flavius Josephus who would have invented Jesus. That is why it is essential to read the work of this brilliant author and conduct your own research to understand that only the truth sets you free and not clinging to elements of our psychological manipulation.
Thank you for this fabulous documentary. I was riveted throughout. Everything makes sense now!! I always wondered why Rome was the center of Christianity, after being told that Romans persecuted Christians for centuries. Made zero sense to me. Paul the subversive government agent! Yes, I believe you're exactly correct about that!
...Rome was the "center" because Christianity began with the Jews. The Jews were under the Romans. Then when the apostles saw that the holy spirit was also blessing the gentiles, obviously they would go to the Romans, the gentiles living with them. Christians were persecuted because they would not bow to the emperor's ego and consider him a god and to the false roman gods. Then the romans thought the false gods would be mad and Rome would start falling apart. So they start persecuting the Christians. Despite the persecutions, many continued to trust in Jesus. Rome wasn't officially a Christian empire until 300 AD, long after Paul died.
@@sketchysketchbook1441 But Jesus isn't real. All made up by the Romans. Nothing about the christian religion makes sense. Now it does. Critical thinking will be the death of all religion eventually.
There is a thread of wisdom running through Indian, Tibetan, Chinese, Egyptian and Greek knowledge that provides a basis for personal development and nourishment of the soul, which have nothing to do with hells, rituals, or dietary strictures (although these are also present everywhere). We may allow ourselves to be inspired to forms of secular humanism through these insights
Excatly which is why separation of church and state is the singular most important philosophical approach to empire because as the Greeks adopted gods into the pantheon and attempted integration, we see see what the Romans did with Christianity. When demigods no longer have power, people are free to be secular. The opposite is equally as oppressive as the demigod. The Marxist approach to no God at all as it shifts power back into the state.
As you go back into the history of humanity, you can see how religions were more akin to control the masses since information was not available to the common man. (Reading and writing were pretty much an inexistent skill in the common man). this shortcoming was exploited by religions, so the common man has no choice but to "believe in faith" to attend to his perils of the times. This is why the story had survived for so long, Countless generations being indoctrinated into believing by faith. Lucky for us, Religions had spoken their last words, as we begin to understand more. The spell has been broken and it will take generations to clean up the mess called God...
Non-believer, here. I've read some scripture, and listened to a lot of New Testament in the pews at St. Whatsisname's. I don't want to do the reading I'd need to make a judgment about this, but I'd find it just as interesting as this video if one or two of the critics could make a case instead of just kvetching. Fer instance, the timeline of the synoptic gospels, Paul's epistles, and the Temple's destruction would be a good place to start.
it would be interesting to see what the world would look like now if the Christian Church was never created. How much history and culture would be preserved from the areas they conquered and forcefully converted? How would early science progress without the fear of heresy, and how much did Christianity stagnate free thinking?
Christianity in Europe was as backwards, oppressive and stultifying as the Taliban or "Islamic State, so antithetical to science and progress in general that the _Renaissance_ was named specifically to commemorate the "rebirth" of *pre-Christian* art and culture, thus the rebirth of civilisation.
@@josemoody1743 I think all of the major religions have caused a decay in the search for enlightenment and knowledge… mainly because they think they have all the answers written on some ancient scroll by some unknown dude that stole that story from some other religion that was before his time… all the parallels in the founding stories form all these old stories seem to go under the radar of those who are brainwashed into “faith”. But yet too much of society holds on to it and uses it as a crutch when they want to justify their actions.
Strange how Flavius Josephus was born in Jerusalem in 37 AD. He would have known or been familiar with Jesus and his movement but strangely he does not mention Jesus in his writings except for the 2 passages we know that are doctored interpolations. It is very possible that Josephus wrote the gospels. I wonder if anyone has done in depth study of the writing style of Josephus and compared it to the gospels.
YES ! Joseph Atwill did that and wrote his discoveries in " Caesar's Messiah" which prove Josephus wrote the Gospels. ( There is also a well-produced documentary )
At that date Josephus is too late for Jesus, crucified c 33 AD . Trouble with writing style most people learnt a similar style in those days, so it's a bit hard to tell the difference, especially because of translation between languages, with limited choice in words & expressions available. But it's not likely that Josephus wrote the Gospels, as he was not favourable to the Christians in his 'Jewish War' or 'Annals', except for the possible inserted mentions you cite.
This is one of the first videos that I watched that helped me deconstruct. I’m in the minority of people that knows what’s really up with Religion. 100% No Gods
Atheism requires too much faith for me. How could one know that no deity exists. I have grown to have much respect for Jewish traditions, which must be understood in context. Their idea of deity overcame the human tendency of idolatry.
@@qwerty90615 How could one know that no Blue Pixies exist? Atheism does not rest on any "faith" any more than the rejection of the Blue Pixies rests on faith. Atheism is founded on the priority of the null hypothesis (PNH): all propositions presented without sufficient warranting evidence are rejected a priori. Otherwise, we'd have to believe in ghosts, genies, banshees, Blue Pixies, etc. ad nauseum until they're proven NOT to exist. Believing stuff as a default isn't how a rational mind operates. We believe in stuff only after sufficient warranting evidence is presented. Paul Bunyan and his blue ox Babe didn't clear-cut half the state of Minnesota. That's a fact. I don't need faith, or evidence negating this putative clear-cutting, to say it's a fact. The Paul Bunyan myth is an extraordinary claim put forward without warranting evidence. All I need is the priority of the null hypothesis. With the PNH at my back, the burden of proof is on the person who claims otherwise. Your God doesn't exist. That's a fact. I don't need either faith or confirmatory evidence to hold that position. All I need is the priority of the null hypothesis and knowledge of the circumstance that no non-controversial evidence has been put forward to establish his existence. I don't need to "prove" that he DOESN'T exist. It is understood as a fundamental protocol of logic that the proof of a universal negative is basically impossible, or near impossible, and that the requirement to do so is rhetorically illegitimate. Try learning the basics of the simplest level of epistemology. "Duh. You can't prove God doesn't exist." That's true, guy. We can't prove that your God, magic dragons, pink unicorns, or wish-granting leprechauns don't exist. They're all invisible when they choose to be, which is all the time by what I've ever seen. But that doesn't leave your God in very respectable company, does it?
Excellent documentary and book. (Clearly I have watched it before you kindly made it available here.) There are things that you have mentioned in podcasts, like the connection between Jesus's and Julius Caesar's demand that you forgive your debtors, which I would have liked to have seen referenced, but maybe I could make a wish? How about a documentary showing the likely development of the "christian" ideas? Probably best with a multi-part series, so that it could go into the work of Russell Gmirkin and others, but it should provide quotes from Caesar, Philo, Suetonius, et al. I suppose it would be very much a rehash of this documentary, but it would be helpful to have a thorough exposition of other material interwoven with this material.
This is a fantastic piece of work. I am so grateful. I've been thinking these thoughts about Titus for a long time, the last few years or so. It's really nice to know that others are thinking the same thing. They just made it up to get people to obey the law and pay their taxes.
"The two Testaments are interesting, each in its own way. The Old one gives us a picture of these people's Deity as he was before he got religion, the other one gives us a picture of him as he appeared afterward." -- Mark Twain
@@your_being_led_by_your_nose That is not what that proverbe means, buddy. But you are right, I should not have used "imitation" because I couldn't think of a better word. But I am somehow quite sure you know what I meant, anyway, right?
Religiosity has evoled over thousands of years. Burial charms and riches have been found from 30,000 years ago. According to the bibles own genealogy of Adam to Christ. Adam was created about 5,000 years ago. Leave the grip of the narrative created by crafty men from ancient times to control larger and larger civilisations. Just be wonderful, you'll have a wonderful life and everyone else will too.
Gives me a new way of viewing the, "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". Also, our contemporary "powder keg" in that region AND in the CONUS offer interesting parallels to what was happening then.
*Excellent book and video... As this video covers many of the same historical figures..., includes many of the same distinguished speaking guests..., features the same narrator lady..., and was made approximately a decade later by the same video production company..., **_Creating Christ_** is pretty much a "Part Two" sequel to Joseph Atwill's **_Caesar's Messiah_** book and video... Each are very good, but I feel that they are best when viewed together, Joseph Atwill's first, and then James S. Valliant's & Warren Fahy's immediately afterward... I would like to thank and appreciate all three authors for their outstanding work...*
Wow! It just really makes me wonder why as a kid I was forced to feel at odds...maybe I was picking up on all of this subconsciously and recognizing inconsistencies because I was very young when I started to believe Jesus was a Roman fabrication originally used to apply leverage, subjugate and extort the Jewish faith to dominate the people and when the movement was successful, then reigned in control. At some point, it became very clear to me I just cannot recall how or why. Maybe I was picking up on all of this in the scripture as a child? Sooo weird!
Vaspacian and Titus are my ancestors. Interesting theory , don’t know if there’s any fact to it but I can believe it’s true , knowing my own sense of humor. But , I really like the thought that it might be true , if so , it’s the most successful , elaborate and monumental prank / strategic Psyops in history . Either way , the Roman Empire continued in the form of the Christianity. One thing is certain, the Romans were some of the most skillful psychologists in history .
Great job guys!! The fish represents the Age of Pisces, which is associated with religion and Christianity, from my research it seems all religions and most myths appear to be stories that are tracking the movement in the heavens.
Amazing how this brings out the fixed ideas that so many have about the origins of Christianity that block out everything we are saying about Christianity in this documentary and the book that this documentary is based on. :)
I'm seeing it, and in a different way each time. Something was said toward the end about the teachings of Jesus being created by Platonic Greek philosophers, Hellenized Jews from North Africa, Gnostics and Roman scholars. If Jesus is completely removed from the equation, just those Sermon on the Mount teachings, and the earlier 10 commandments (wherever they came from), have created a guide for mankind to live peacefully together. A moral code. Not than many espousing religion these days follow those moral codes, but the codes themselves are worthwhile.
@@NShad0wFrags , the teachings created for the purpose of placating Rome's subjects are very similar to Buddhism and various Greek philosophies, particularly Plato. The church never adhered to those teachings and still doesn't. No nation or power on the planet has adhered to those philosophies, so they have not resulted in peace. No nation has ever adhered to the philosophy of Karl Marx, either. I seriously doubt that the human race has the capacity to live in peace. We can contemplate it as individuals, but we can't put peaceful concepts into action.
It seems that most of the ppl commenting on this doc don't realize how inevitable the theory of the Flavian invention of Christianity really is. You're missing what really is a huge breakthrough. It sounds like Robert Price has come over to Atwill's side, after all - although not in as many words.
With rare exception, religion turns God into a deity who loves conditionally - the polar opposite of what we can expect in the afterlife. Millions of NDE accounts describe a God who loves us all equally, eternally, immensely and without exception. The notion of a God who has favorites is diminished in the wake of the hellfire-free zone we've experienced. Of course, all accounts are not identical. But if Venn diagrams are made, where they overlap presents such hope and unity. Funny how folks resist that, often insisting God must judge, damn and punish for eternity: He becomes the mean dad who's waiting to kick our butts when we get home.
Have watched a lot of the same videos you probably have didn't notice howevor that people that chose to stay where they were at were forced to come back to their bodies on the Earth and that concerns me in as much as we still are under somebody Else's authority Is still no real freedom
NDE accounts will Al be based on the bias of the person having the experience. It's all from your own imagination. Unless of course the people who experienced life inside a movie during their near death experience (star wars is one example) and it felt so real you think it really happened. Same with a vivid dream. It's literally all in your head.
@@mellissafield8137 I was clinically dead (with no pulse or respiration) on multiple occasions - the longest for almost 4 minutes. Didn’t see anything. Personally I believe most accounts of near death experiences are either retrospective fabrications or hallucinations caused by hypoxia.
Brilliant academia and scholarship. I love the presentation. I completely feel the expertise of Valliant as a Prosecutor. I am walked down a well documented evidentiary path to the most logical of conclusions. Excellent research and presentation of the available discoverable evidence. Sitting on the jury I would be able to comfortably convict the Flavians as the primary instigators after Nero's initial efforts along with the Herodian descendants, conquered Flavian Jewish Scribe Josephus and the Jewish elites in using par for the course Roman statecraft to deal with the Jewish revolt. The prime motivation being the socio-political circumstances as well as the direct religious concerns of the Flavian emperors deification requirements. Perfectly logical. I also love and appreciate how relevant this information is to so many of our contemporary challenges.
I'm glad to read that I am not the only one who finds the music mix to be distracting and the female narrator's voice to be an irritant. So far I have watched only a half-hour, it is almost torturous to continue but I will try to finish it soon.
I agree with you about the first female voice (irritating with a lisp) that should be done over. I tell people don't mind the female voice it's not all her narrating. I almost didn't continue watching bc of her voice.
I understand that ignoring Atwill's work was probably necessary to avoid confusion. Focusing on tracing the use of Christian symbols is very helpful. I suggest that people see CAESAR'S MESSIAH, which features much of the same material, but is focused on typological examination of parallels between NT and Josephus. Really fascinating. Kudos to Atwill.
@Withnail1969 It struck me hard when first watched the video CAESAR'S MESSIAH, but also seemed preposterous. Yet, I knew of the great influence of Paganism and secret societies, so the idea that Christianity was designed to shape development of society in favor of the ruling class makes perfect sense. There had to be esoteric and exoteric sides to it, an hidden meaning, an inside joke shared among the elites.
A good documentary. I've been looking into the history of the Sun gods, and the most recent one Joshua, follows in their footsteps. But the comments are mind boggling. It shows how tenacious indoctrination can be. Most of us are unable to discern facts due to blind faith. Also, as the documentary implied at the end, waking up to the maniplation of the Flavians does not mean one has to relinquish the belief of God.
If any loving god existed, it would do everything in it's power to prevent war and needless suffering, instead we see the exact opposite, war after war being supported by religious and political powers, that were supposedly placed there by god himself.
Religions themselves created in the middle East are war against human mind I'm not denying being spiritual is a good thing but those called Abrahimc religions are pure evil work and created by the con to control the fool
the classic outdated atheist argument against God! if you believe you came from nothing and this life is all you have, of course it wouldn't make sense. but in Islam this atheist "argument" is already answered. ua-cam.com/video/ifllgTA2pmY/v-deo.html
Why do you think that? This is a test run to find worthy people to be in heaven with him. Why would he want weak minded people. It's pretty clear many people have used religion as a weapon, but obviously not everyone...
@@keldonator "week minded"? How strong of a mind does it take to believe in fables? How strong does one have to be to support war and suffering? Murder is still a crime even if you're killing in the name of god, and if those murderers are going to heaven... I'm proud to go to Hell!
Yeah, I still go along with this. Where's Atwill? Maybe I missed him. Unless the guy in glasses is him??? Nope. Where is he? 😒 Glad you all updated the original doc.
@@WarrenFahyAuthorThis is Freemason nonsense, there's Too much proof that Titus was the Chrestus,and you KNOW they've just dropped the Clemens surnames and replaced them with Sabinus 1 2 and 3, absolutely ridiculous,Sabines, Sancus,Saints, HOLY Roman Empire,I could go on forever proving Titus was the living God creator.
Do the makers of this documentary agree that Paul/Saul was most likely to be Flavius Josephus? Could this one man (and his writing team) be the progenitor of many of the Gospels?
Paul was a self admitted Herodian. Seems to be a real person behind his lies. Writing teams were employed for him, surely. Josephus seems to be a pen name...a pseudonym. Joseph bar Matthias = Joseph of Aramathea It could have been purely a Flavian Imperial propaganda team that wrote all of the writings of Josephus... I lean in that direction.
This was very enlightening, and makes sense too, only through the patronage of the romans could Christianity could have taken off, not in opposition to it.
The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death.
@@cyraps The earliest known New Testament writings were written in Greek and Aramaic. I believe His name was Iesous (Greek) and Isa (Aramaic). And yhvh was not His Father!
Jesus of the Synoptic Gospels is a literary character invented by the Romans to promote the recent arrival of the Flavian dynasty to imperial power, creating an archetype of messiah towards which all preexisting Jewish prophecies converged. The aim was (1) to empty Jewish concepts, hijacking the messianic hope and solidifying a controversial archetype of Jewish messiah, (2) to blame the Jews for their own destruction in the war of Jerusalem in 70 and (3) to exalt the Flavian dynasty of emperors. The content of the message propagated by the characters in the narrative portrays an agenda of political accommodation, preservation of the imperial “status quo”, anti-Judaism and military indoctrination: both for Roman soldiers and for colonized civilians. Soldiers are often the recipients of the teachings of the Gospels, which occur both explicitly (as in Luke 3:14, when John the Baptist recommends that soldiers be content with their pay, just as Rome advised those recruited for military service) and implicitly (as in Luke 9:23, when the instruction is given to abandon everything - family, friends, work - and follow the leader, just as the government wanted the soldiers to do). There is also abundant teaching reinforcing the civil obligation to serve soldiers, including obeying them for twice the amount required (Matthew 5:41). The character Jesus always presents himself as the reformer of the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:38, correcting Exodus 21:24 on the principle of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”) and the propagator of various Roman laws (as in Mark 10:12 on marriage and in Matthew 22:21 recommending the payment of taxes). Jesus never taught his disciples to love Jews or their relatives, but he did teach them to love Romans (Matt. 5:44) and to turn the other cheek (Matt. 5:39). The Flavian Theory, therefore, not only presents a coherent argument for the literary origins of Jesus, but also highlights the Romans' ability to use religion as a tool of sociopolitical control.
19:42 As much I agree with the whole concept i must make a small correction here.. Romans didn't deify the Emperor but the "Genio" of the Emperor. The spirit who guided the Emperor not him personally. The Greeks named this spirit "Δαίμων Εαυτού" (the inside Daimon not demon). I agree with the rest of the video, great job!
@@Fritzheede that seems odd to me since they make it seem like she's talking about this thesis (which is similar to but not the same as Atwill's) when she's not. And didn't this get made after she died?
I thoroughly enjoyed this documentary and greatly appreciated the heartfelt comments from listeners with vastly different opinions. I gave all of them a 👍. I do believe this universe was created, as evidenced by the intelligent design we find in textbooks of biochemistry and physiology, and in the COMPLEX DESIGN of the physical world we live in. It will be interesting to learn what extraterrestrial beings know and understand about our physical universe, its Creator, and maybe even the Jesus of Christianity, with all its over 45,000 different, worldwide denominations today...over 200 of which are in the United States alone!😇
This "COMPLEX DESIGN". Is it uniform? Are all people, exactly alike? Are any 2 of the same species, exactly alike? And these "extraterrestrials". Were they created after us? Because, they couldn't have been made before us.
I have been reading the Darkening Age the Christian Destruction of the Classical world by Catherine Nixey and The Myth of Persecution how Early Christians invented a story of Martyrdom by Candida Moss. Wow is a understatement how about a group of martyrs to be getting drunk and having an orgie to celebrate martyrs anniversary deaths😮😮😮 i do recommend the books though ugh 😑
@1:34:25 The narrator says Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Holy Roman Empire. That is incorrect, the Holy Roman Empire was a 1000 years later and formed in honour of the original Roman Empire and not a direct continuation. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.
Holy was like in quotes . And Constantine didn't made Christianity the official religion . He just accepted Christianity among the other religions of the Empire . The religion was made "official" by Theodosius ,381 or so .
Reading some of the outraged comments here reminds me of the reaction you get from Scientologists when you point out facts that challenge their cult. There's a reason for that. Members of any cult will deny evidence that their cult is illegitimate and will become very offended and defensive. Christians are certainly no exception. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of outraged Christians commenting here didn't actually watch the video.
The same is true about some of the 1-star reviews at Amazon for this book. It's fascinating that religion can justify dishonesty (and much worse) so easily while posing as a moral standard for humanity.
This video could just as easily been labeled "Uncreating Christ" . ❤ The data can be extrapolated either way. What any of us believe is what each of us wants to believe. Based on books alone you have made your decisions. That is actually quite ironic . ❤
Greetings from Rome, I'm an independent layman missionary, following the taboo theme (taboo 4us) for years. This documentary is VERY good, my compliments and prayers to all of you. God bless you 😊
Prove to us with your own individuality by using your own belief to move forward instead of just telling us to stop believing in something that we were naturally inclined to believe when were born.
@jackomalley77 whether your born into a muslim family, christian family, Jewish family, hindu family, Buddhist family or even an atheist family; each and every baby are naturally inclined to believe in 1 God (a higher power). There's a study in Oxford University by Justin barat on this topic and I highly suggest you check it out for yourself. Also you did it again, you suggested that we're brainwashed without giving us any evidence of it so your whole argument is throwing random irrelevant points that are just your own stupid opinion. Look at how the West is crumbling without religion. Look at how Russia is becoming more and more powerful by the day. The british was the superpower for 200 years with the flag of christianity while their churches was actually full. It was the islamic belief that made the freedom fighters in afghanistan to form a resistance against the british, ussr, usa. If it wasn't for the belief of the Mujahideen then afghanistan would have fallen to the commies but from the what I've gotten from you so far is that you would of probably preferred that to happen. Google the inventions of muslims and you might come across something called the islamic golden age which is when muslim actually followed their faith properly. The funny thing is that muslims have dominated 90% of its history, whether that's in science, inventions, literacy, mathematics, spirituality, debating, theology, martial arts, warfare, military power, clean societies and fully working thriving societies. True religion stops Haynes crimes such as rape, murder, theft, adultery, genocide and even stops other stuff like suicide. True belief in religion stops terrorism. So the muslims have dominated in every field for 90% of its history and only the last 10% which has been the 20th and 21st century where they have lost there power and stopped dominating in everything. They still dominate in certain fields but not everything of course. So why do you fail to look at our history and just see us for how we are at this certain moment in time. Plus I think it's quite ironic how the muslims have fallen Materialisticly ever since they started to go further away from their faith and practice less with a weaker belief. However the peak of every islamic khalifate or empire is when the religion was at its peak.
As a christian this was VERY interesting. Theres a lot here i did not know about the actual views of early christiandom from the roman perspective (especially the parts about paul and the those jewish wars). Its sad that people in the comments didnt pay attention to the end when the interviewees stated that they arent trying to disprove god. Owell
I am not a Christian; I don't think anyone has ever been born by virgin birth or resurrected from the dead. The miracles of Jesus are the miracles of the sun; walking on water, turning water into wine, raising the dead (every spring when the dead soil is brought to life) etc. Neither do I think that there have ever been any prophets. Humanity has always been much as the same as it is now, as this video demonstrates. However not believing things doesn't for a second mean having to be an atheist. This is a false dichotomy created by belief itself. What if Being, existence itself, is divine and my being is not separate from the being of the universe? Being cannot deny being, so there is no need for belief. I think this is called pantheism or panentheism, though I don't care much what it's called. This might be the way forward if people can get it (which is the big problem). Alan Watts, Rupert Spira, Krishnamurti, Douglas Harding et al have been discussing this in some form for quite a while now and they're well worth listening to. So, no need to believe in historically dubious dying reborn sun gods, mad murderous prophets or improbable miracles - Being itself is a miracle and it's right in front of us now and we are It.
When you read the Gospels it seem all christ's saying were programed of speaking the same thing in different occasions. Words seem to be programmed in every saying of christ by someone.
The reason some people have trouble with the narrator's voice is that they are probably suffering from a condition called cognitive dissonance, which is a situation where those who are experiencing disorientation by information that challenges their central beliefs will latch on to surface factors to vent their frustration.
Exactly. I've done this myself with other subjects when I believe I'm right. We all suffer this and must be open to learning and searching for the truth. Religious people don't like to be challenged as they are fragile and can't chance having their worldview wrecked.
that's a weak comparison, don't fall into the trap of that feeble lie. open the Bible and READ the Gospels of Matthew, Luke, Mark and John. ASK God to open your heart to the truth (God is an eternal Spirit). Read the words and note the deeds of Jesus and decide for YOURSELF if YOU BELIEVE. It could change your life FOREVER. " For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
i always have been thinking religion is something to control people since you born they keep telling you believe in this or you going burn in hell or we going to make you see hell on earth , but I never have a clue about the beginning of Christianity , i watched so many documentaries last months , i can say this is the most informational rich one among all , thank you so much
I'm going too hell it's the best choice when u know the truth
The Roman Catholic Church is the Roman Empire 2.0 it has nothing to do with the true spiritual teachings when you understand there are forces in this planet that don’t want you to wake up because you are their food source energetically then you will look deeper otherwise you fall at the first hurdle
@@GXoXdIsNotaMANtimeUtoWakeUp Terrible answer.
@@buukkreider544 Yuck imagine being stuck with the main character of the old testament for eternity. No thanks.
Something I've always questioned about religion/Christianity is that people always ask/pray for something outside themselves (God, Jesus, saints) to bring that which they pray for when in reality that power is within us but most of us haven't learned how to use it. Maybe religion was also established so that we'd stray from our own creative power. Easier to control a powerless society!
Religion doesn't stop u to think brother. The true meaning of the bible has been corrupted. A godless society isn't good either. Have u seen what America has become with all the woke agendas & all. They are chopping off underage children's private parts simply because a child identifies him/herself as a the opposite gender. They are trying to condone stealing & looting in the west. Criminals became immune to punishment in a godless society & America is a prime example of that.
It wasnt corrupted.....its doing what it was designed to do.......make people give up their current llives to the elitenow so they can have an afterlife......the elites know there is no afterlife. Basically the elites made it to steal lives@FixerUpper-cb3wo
That's because people translate and interpret the texts wrongly. Check the name of god in the bible and the way Jesus taught about the "I" and "me".
@@FixerUpper-cb3wonone of this is happening. Look above and beyond the propaganda and see and experience reality.
Religion began as people tried to understand all the mysteries of life, death & the world. They came up with stories to explain the weather & other phenomena, & wondered what happened at death. Were their dead parents & other powerful people still around in some way, invisible but watching? Some ' explanations' became foundation myths, & some developed into religions. It was not some great plot to control the masses, just a natural result of ideas becoming 'truths' & conventions.
People felt the need to keep the unseen powers on their side. It was better if you could see them as 'human' , & relatable, hence God's of human type you cold influence.
This documentary blew me away. It answered so many questions about the inconsistencies found the the bible and the sayings of Jesus. This video is a service to mankind. Thank you!
What inconsistencies did this video answer, and did you ever seek answers from anyone who had knowledge of the subject and who might therefore have been able to give you an explanation?
@@LanghamW1 Why would Jesus say to be a good slave? Why would he say render onto Caesar what is Caesar's? If he teaching liberation from our earthly domain those statements do not make sense at all. This video explains the political myth building that mankind has done for thousands of years. Witness it being alive and well in the modern Republican Party and in the thinking of Putin.
I love you ..Thankyou. enough words cannot Thankyou…I been studying this for a long time ,always thinking “How could a nobody woman in a little town in Kansas have come to this knowing”. …..focused study for 25 years as a Christian …then come to the strength of being able to deny Jesus and studying another 25 years….so happy some one out there on same thinking this thru
Way to go, James & Warren! The documentary format really helps to position the many pieces of the mosaic. I thoroughly enjoyed following the connections.
Of course, the theory will ruffle a lot of feathers. That can’t be helped. The production, voiceovers and music all work well for me. You have much to be proud of. Those who give your theory earnest consideration will be better for it.
First. Glad to be here for this historic release and very excited to see what happens when the scholarship and academia engage with this ( if they ever do). I wonder just how far this will make it.
Albino im glad u woke up now ur life changed forever
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Academia likes stick their fingers in their ears and scream " la la la la I'm not listening to this"
To make it short, Christianity is nothing but only a man made religion. Creator created creations but creations created their own creator.!
Beyond the man made idolatry are the true teachings which one will find inside oneself
These epic discoveries will be embedded in the annals of history, brilliant exposure brilliantly done. Thx
thank u Albino u don't have say no more
If there really were an almighty god who loves us and listens to our prayers, he'd damn sure not allow innocent babies and children suffer as so many do. Full stop.
They dont care. About anything. But themselves. Thats why their personal god is so great. Oh, and btw he only shows up on good days and times. Never bad. Thats only when personal satan comes around.
Since it's all false, but people need religion, I kind of wish we had kept the ancient Roman and Greek pantheon. Paganism is a lot more varied and fun.
Ha! Fewer hang-ups and sexual self-loathing, probably. And lots of fun. Society would definitely be different today without Christian repression, which radically suppressed the Roman culture.
A sword with two edges . Romans used jewish religion to save the empire , and churc becomes sescon power of the state . A simple aproach of tansition to new testament would be the wealth transfer of the aristocracy at that time stating with hasmonian dinasty and alexanders complited by flavians .. Family conections entanglement . Subjective historians mix with philosofers like Philo . Prior model Ptolemy I Soter and Plato 's Timeus @WarrenFahyAuthor @@WarrenFahyAuthor
@@WarrenFahyAuthor Definitely.
I really can't understand why we thought worshipping the Israelites' tribal god was a good idea to begin with.
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It was the way the Romans regained control.
Roman Catholic Church.
@@hahaha9076 Constantine is responsible for a 1000 years of decline. That's hard to forgive, even though I have 'judeo-christian' values, lol.
Religion and politics were one. That should tell you everything you need to know. Period.
And religion is psychology.
Absolutely!
"I've found him. I have Jesus in my trunk."
- George Carlin
😂
You might want to be careful. Either The Lord Jesus will one day be your Savior... or your Judge. Please be careful.
@@buukkreider544 🤣. Get a grip on reality. When Haysoos walked on water, was it frozen by any chance?
@@teejay6063 When Jesus Christ walked on water was that true or do you not believe that?
@@buukkreider544 🤣 If I told you the story of the jesus happened today, would you believe me? Unless you're actually that gullible... never mind. The other day I booted the neighbor's cat. If I confess to some chomo behind a screen on the sabbath day, do I get to go to heaven when the angels select me?
I'm just glad that we no longer live in a world where religion can be forced, I can just live my life completely removed from the idiocy of the Abrahamic religions, and it's great 🤙
I wish that were truly so. False philosophical narrative is still forced and even more worrying is believed to be rock solid reality. Narrative is no longer religious but is more deceptive and beguiling than ever.
I'm glad im n0t a CHRISTIAN 😊 im a 1st Hueman I keep my distance 😊
I'm guessing you never been to the Bible belt.
Bless your heart 😉
@@Jana-fp8qp Thankfully not!
The jihadists are coming! The jihadists are coming!
The fact that people in the world are so deeply delusional and will still believe the bible is real even with the abundance of proof that its not
Is heartbreaking 😢
This video should be on The Discovery ch, The History Channel, or some other well viewed show. Have you tried?
Christians say we are all sinners and should spend our lives apologizing to God because we exist.
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*”Religion emerged when the first con man met the first fool”*
Only a fool would believe such a thing.
Also “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful”. Seneca.
@@SuzyQpip and by all necessary.
Like most cliches this eschews nuance in favor of brevity and catchiness, but also like many cliches it also is grounded on some truth. Believers are not fools, they are people searching for answers to questions that we cannot answer. They are looking for the comfort of being able to pretend that they know, and the comfort of belonging and encouragement. Claimed prophets may or may not be con men, they may sincerely believe they have had private revelation, but they also are only relying on personal experience and subjective interpretations of said personal experience. Apologist, for the most part, are con artists. But most believers are sincere people that just want some comforting things to believe in, even if they don’t comport with reality, they will reinterpret reality to conform to their pre-concluded beliefs.
@@MrMattSax What you're referring to is _sprituality_ - not religion. All religion is man-made and profane, an instrument of political power and social control.
Second!! Haaa, can't wait to see this!! I'm in Rome too on holiday. May watch in st. Peters basilica later 😎😎
Albino how is Rome?
@@GXoXdIsNotaMANtimeUtoWakeUp it was great thanks! Was getting fed up with pizza/pasta by day 5 though.
@revealedgnosis lol I love it u Albinos been in my ancestors land so much I can't love something else 😊
I'm free from religion after years of research thank you God
Congratulations!
@@jasonbishop5345 thanks brother and stay bless
But yet you're still thanking "God"!
@@leonflores2933 why not?i knew God before religion
@@donpetazaragomatuta9988it might be worth researching the origins of the word ‘God’. Our original creators name I’ve heard is ‘Yahuah’ The name God is apparently another pagon name to represent a title or idol.
I AM YAHUAH THAT IS MY NAME,
AND MY ESTEEM
I DO NOT GIVE TO ANOTHER, NOR MY PRAISE TO IDOLS
-Yashayahu (aka Isaiah) 42:8
EXCELLENT DOCUMENTARY
It's good to hear Acharya S' voice, it's been years.
Beautiful woman with a beautiful soul.
Many believers who want to keep their faith in Jesus console themselves by saying that those who dispute the historical existence of Jesus were not present during the events, for example, when Jesus performed the miracles revealed by his apostles. However, the problem is that there was neither a Jesus nor apostles of Jesus. How can I be so sure? First, by analyzing the facts. There is no trace of Jesus during the so-called period of Jesus, neither in texts other than the Gospels nor in sculpted images of Jesus. Furthermore, all the portraits of Jesus have been found in the depictions of ancient gods such as Horus and others like the Greek god Dionysus, the god of alcohol who created alcohol by turning water into wine, etc., thousands or hundreds of years before. Additionally, all the Gospels are filled with contradictions, gaps, and anachronisms because they are human works and no human work is perfect. Finally, they made extensive use of typological style to construct their narrative. But the defenders of the historical existence thesis often cite Flavius Josephus as having mentioned Jesus outside the Gospels.
The interest in the work of Joseph Atwill, the main character of this documentary, lies in the fact that he showed in his book "Caesar’s Messiah" that it was precisely the family of this Flavius Josephus who would have invented Jesus. That is why it is essential to read the work of this brilliant author and conduct your own research to understand that only the truth sets you free and not clinging to elements of our psychological manipulation.
Thank you for this fabulous documentary. I was riveted throughout. Everything makes sense now!! I always wondered why Rome was the center of Christianity, after being told that Romans persecuted Christians for centuries. Made zero sense to me. Paul the subversive government agent! Yes, I believe you're exactly correct about that!
...Rome was the "center" because Christianity began with the Jews. The Jews were under the Romans. Then when the apostles saw that the holy spirit was also blessing the gentiles, obviously they would go to the Romans, the gentiles living with them. Christians were persecuted because they would not bow to the emperor's ego and consider him a god and to the false roman gods. Then the romans thought the false gods would be mad and Rome would start falling apart. So they start persecuting the Christians. Despite the persecutions, many continued to trust in Jesus. Rome wasn't officially a Christian empire until 300 AD, long after Paul died.
@@sketchysketchbook1441 But Jesus isn't real. All made up by the Romans. Nothing about the christian religion makes sense. Now it does. Critical thinking will be the death of all religion eventually.
There is a thread of wisdom running through Indian, Tibetan, Chinese, Egyptian and Greek knowledge that provides a basis for personal development and nourishment of the soul, which have nothing to do with hells, rituals, or dietary strictures (although these are also present everywhere). We may allow ourselves to be inspired to forms of secular humanism through these insights
Excatly which is why separation of church and state is the singular most important philosophical approach to empire because as the Greeks adopted gods into the pantheon and attempted integration, we see see what the Romans did with Christianity. When demigods no longer have power, people are free to be secular. The opposite is equally as oppressive as the demigod. The Marxist approach to no God at all as it shifts power back into the state.
As you go back into the history of humanity, you can see how religions were more akin to control the masses since information was not available to the common man. (Reading and writing were pretty much an inexistent skill in the common man). this shortcoming was exploited by religions, so the common man has no choice but to "believe in faith" to attend to his perils of the times. This is why the story had survived for so long, Countless generations being indoctrinated into believing by faith. Lucky for us, Religions had spoken their last words, as we begin to understand more. The spell has been broken and it will take generations to clean up the mess called God...
I find the evolution of religions fascinating, but at the same time, disturbing that people are still buying into it.
Many have been indoctrinated since birth. Information like this doco is needed to set records straight.
Non-believer, here. I've read some scripture, and listened to a lot of New Testament in the pews at St. Whatsisname's. I don't want to do the reading I'd need to make a judgment about this, but I'd find it just as interesting as this video if one or two of the critics could make a case instead of just kvetching. Fer instance, the timeline of the synoptic gospels, Paul's epistles, and the Temple's destruction would be a good place to start.
Bart D. Ehrman is a very intellectual critic of the Bible and the majority of his work focuses on your interests. Check him out 😊
@@amandamooring6873 Much obliged!
it would be interesting to see what the world would look like now if the Christian Church was never created. How much history and culture would be preserved from the areas they conquered and forcefully converted? How would early science progress without the fear of heresy, and how much did Christianity stagnate free thinking?
Christianity in Europe was as backwards, oppressive and stultifying as the Taliban or "Islamic State, so antithetical to science and progress in general that the _Renaissance_ was named specifically to commemorate the "rebirth" of *pre-Christian* art and culture, thus the rebirth of civilisation.
@@josemoody1743 I think all of the major religions have caused a decay in the search for enlightenment and knowledge… mainly because they think they have all the answers written on some ancient scroll by some unknown dude that stole that story from some other religion that was before his time… all the parallels in the founding stories form all these old stories seem to go under the radar of those who are brainwashed into “faith”. But yet too much of society holds on to it and uses it as a crutch when they want to justify their actions.
Wrong, it was Muslims who destroyed much of the Classical world, not Christians, who preserved what they could after Pagan, & Muslim attacks!
Strange how Flavius Josephus was born in Jerusalem in 37 AD. He would have known or been familiar with Jesus and his movement but strangely he does not mention Jesus in his writings except for the 2 passages we know that are doctored interpolations. It is very possible that Josephus wrote the gospels. I wonder if anyone has done in depth study of the writing style of Josephus and compared it to the gospels.
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YES ! Joseph Atwill did that and wrote his discoveries in " Caesar's Messiah" which prove Josephus wrote the Gospels. ( There is also a well-produced documentary )
@@davidhouser4491 This channel does a good deep dive also. ua-cam.com/video/DH2hfyD0qt4/v-deo.htmlsi=koZeIl3GhoNaGaBQ
That suicide story from Masada was probably not true according to archaeological findings.
At that date Josephus is too late for Jesus, crucified c 33 AD . Trouble with writing style most people learnt a similar style in those days, so it's a bit hard to tell the difference, especially because of translation between languages, with limited choice in words & expressions available. But it's not likely that Josephus wrote the Gospels, as he was not favourable to the Christians in his 'Jewish War' or 'Annals', except for the possible inserted mentions you cite.
This is one of the first videos that I watched that helped me deconstruct. I’m in the minority of people that knows what’s really up with Religion. 100% No Gods
Atheism requires too much faith for me. How could one know that no deity exists. I have grown to have much respect for Jewish traditions, which must be understood in context. Their idea of deity overcame the human tendency of idolatry.
@@qwerty90615 How could one know that no Blue Pixies exist? Atheism does not rest on any "faith" any more than the rejection of the Blue Pixies rests on faith. Atheism is founded on the priority of the null hypothesis (PNH): all propositions presented without sufficient warranting evidence are rejected a priori. Otherwise, we'd have to believe in ghosts, genies, banshees, Blue Pixies, etc. ad nauseum until they're proven NOT to exist. Believing stuff as a default isn't how a rational mind operates. We believe in stuff only after sufficient warranting evidence is presented.
Paul Bunyan and his blue ox Babe didn't clear-cut half the state of Minnesota. That's a fact. I don't need faith, or evidence negating this putative clear-cutting, to say it's a fact. The Paul Bunyan myth is an extraordinary claim put forward without warranting evidence. All I need is the priority of the null hypothesis. With the PNH at my back, the burden of proof is on the person who claims otherwise.
Your God doesn't exist. That's a fact. I don't need either faith or confirmatory evidence to hold that position. All I need is the priority of the null hypothesis and knowledge of the circumstance that no non-controversial evidence has been put forward to establish his existence. I don't need to "prove" that he DOESN'T exist. It is understood as a fundamental protocol of logic that the proof of a universal negative is basically impossible, or near impossible, and that the requirement to do so is rhetorically illegitimate. Try learning the basics of the simplest level of epistemology.
"Duh. You can't prove God doesn't exist." That's true, guy. We can't prove that your God, magic dragons, pink unicorns, or wish-granting leprechauns don't exist. They're all invisible when they choose to be, which is all the time by what I've ever seen. But that doesn't leave your God in very respectable company, does it?
Thank you for bringing the information forward in such a comprehensive fashion.
Excellent documentary and book. (Clearly I have watched it before you kindly made it available here.) There are things that you have mentioned in podcasts, like the connection between Jesus's and Julius Caesar's demand that you forgive your debtors, which I would have liked to have seen referenced, but maybe I could make a wish? How about a documentary showing the likely development of the "christian" ideas? Probably best with a multi-part series, so that it could go into the work of Russell Gmirkin and others, but it should provide quotes from Caesar, Philo, Suetonius, et al. I suppose it would be very much a rehash of this documentary, but it would be helpful to have a thorough exposition of other material interwoven with this material.
This is a fantastic piece of work. I am so grateful. I've been thinking these thoughts about Titus for a long time, the last few years or so. It's really nice to know that others are thinking the same thing. They just made it up to get people to obey the law and pay their taxes.
This story should be made into a live action movie
Roman's did run Around getting people to Worship them now people Worship them every week
The woman is a human life giver ,this Jesus Christ repentance globalist king was not human
I hope this video stays on for a long time.
we Atheists if it goes down we will have another don't worry
Great train of thought. I've been saying this for decades and it feels true to me. Yep. Agree.
Narrator is overacting. The material is interesting already, it isn't necessary to talk in an interesting manner.
Agreed. It's ruined by the narration
you mean she's crying and pulling her hair out?
Let me know when you make a documentary so I can study its amazing perfection.
"The two Testaments are interesting, each in its own way. The Old one gives us a picture of these people's Deity as he was before he got religion, the other one gives us a picture of him as he appeared afterward."
-- Mark Twain
Great documentary. I was baptised as a Christian years ago... But then I saw the true light😎
Great documentary! Very informative. Do yourself a favor- put it on 1.5 playback speed...
AMAZING documentary! It fills in SO much of the puzzle!
Albino I'm not a puzzle I'm ur elder
This is an excellent documentary creating christ and ceasars messiah togther absolutely destroys christanity.
As long as Christianity promises immortality, it will endure. A lot of people really like the idea of living forever.
"As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities."
Voltaire was unquestionably right.
Quoting someone else is no personal opinion, just imitation.
@@musashimiyamoto586 nice imitation. The sincerest form of flattery.
@@your_being_led_by_your_nose That is not what that proverbe means, buddy. But you are right, I should not have used "imitation" because I couldn't think of a better word. But I am somehow quite sure you know what I meant, anyway, right?
Religiosity has evoled over thousands of years. Burial charms and riches have been found from 30,000 years ago.
According to the bibles own genealogy of Adam to Christ. Adam was created about 5,000 years ago.
Leave the grip of the narrative created by crafty men from ancient times to control larger and larger civilisations.
Just be wonderful, you'll have a wonderful life and everyone else will too.
Gives me a new way of viewing the, "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". Also, our contemporary "powder keg" in that region AND in the CONUS offer interesting parallels to what was happening then.
*Excellent book and video... As this video covers many of the same historical figures..., includes many of the same distinguished speaking guests..., features the same narrator lady..., and was made approximately a decade later by the same video production company..., **_Creating Christ_** is pretty much a "Part Two" sequel to Joseph Atwill's **_Caesar's Messiah_** book and video... Each are very good, but I feel that they are best when viewed together, Joseph Atwill's first, and then James S. Valliant's & Warren Fahy's immediately afterward... I would like to thank and appreciate all three authors for their outstanding work...*
Great documentary. I am definitely including it as a recommended documentary in my work - Flavius Christ
Great documentary. Thank you. I already read your book, but this makes the information so accessible. Thank you.
Wait, was Paul a pre-Flavian “Christian”? An agent of Nero?
Wow! It just really makes me wonder why as a kid I was forced to feel at odds...maybe I was picking up on all of this subconsciously and recognizing inconsistencies because I was very young when I started to believe Jesus was a Roman fabrication originally used to apply leverage, subjugate and extort the Jewish faith to dominate the people and when the movement was successful, then reigned in control. At some point, it became very clear to me I just cannot recall how or why. Maybe I was picking up on all of this in the scripture as a child? Sooo weird!
Paul was a Flavor Flav Flavian
Vaspacian and Titus are my ancestors. Interesting theory , don’t know if there’s any fact to it but I can believe it’s true , knowing my own sense of humor. But , I really like the thought that it might be true , if so , it’s the most successful , elaborate and monumental prank / strategic Psyops in history . Either way , the Roman Empire continued in the form of the Christianity. One thing is certain, the Romans were some of the most skillful psychologists in history .
Great job guys!! The fish represents the Age of Pisces, which is associated with religion and Christianity, from my research it seems all religions and most myths appear to be stories that are tracking the movement in the heavens.
You Albinos leaned how to fish 😊
The female narration voice is almost intolerable.
She sounds like she’s having a stroke or something.
ur not 2xing it?
Amazing how this brings out the fixed ideas that so many have about the origins of Christianity that block out everything we are saying about Christianity in this documentary and the book that this documentary is based on. :)
Separation of church & state is America's diamond in the rough.
I'm seeing it, and in a different way each time. Something was said toward the end about the teachings of Jesus being created by Platonic Greek philosophers, Hellenized Jews from North Africa, Gnostics and Roman scholars. If Jesus is completely removed from the equation, just those Sermon on the Mount teachings, and the earlier 10 commandments (wherever they came from), have created a guide for mankind to live peacefully together. A moral code. Not than many espousing religion these days follow those moral codes, but the codes themselves are worthwhile.
How you define that peace?
@@NShad0wFrags , the teachings created for the purpose of placating Rome's subjects are very similar to Buddhism and various Greek philosophies, particularly Plato. The church never adhered to those teachings and still doesn't. No nation or power on the planet has adhered to those philosophies, so they have not resulted in peace. No nation has ever adhered to the philosophy of Karl Marx, either. I seriously doubt that the human race has the capacity to live in peace. We can contemplate it as individuals, but we can't put peaceful concepts into action.
Great work guys! This Doc & Ceasars Messiah are life changing!
Good and thorough work. Thank you.
It seems that most of the ppl commenting on this doc don't realize how inevitable the theory of the Flavian invention of Christianity really is. You're missing what really is a huge breakthrough. It sounds like Robert Price has come over to Atwill's side, after all - although not in as many words.
the flavians were duped by jews. Jesus is messiah ben joseph leading rome into destruction
Very well put together. Great info for the real deep thinker
Religion is, by far, the #1 killer of mankind.
I would say man is the number 1 killer of mankind, religious confusion is simply a catalyst.
READING THE BOOK is a good idea.
With rare exception, religion turns God into a deity who loves conditionally - the polar opposite of what we can expect in the afterlife.
Millions of NDE accounts describe a God who loves us all equally, eternally, immensely and without exception. The notion of a God who has favorites is diminished in the wake of the hellfire-free zone we've experienced.
Of course, all accounts are not identical. But if Venn diagrams are made, where they overlap presents such hope and unity.
Funny how folks resist that, often insisting God must judge, damn and punish for eternity: He becomes the mean dad who's waiting to kick our butts when we get home.
Have watched a lot of the same videos you probably have didn't notice howevor that people that chose to stay where they were at were forced to come back to their bodies on the Earth and that concerns me in as much as we still are under somebody Else's authority Is still no real freedom
NDE accounts will Al be based on the bias of the person having the experience.
It's all from your own imagination.
Unless of course the people who experienced life inside a movie during their near death experience (star wars is one example) and it felt so real you think it really happened.
Same with a vivid dream.
It's literally all in your head.
@@mellissafield8137 I was clinically dead (with no pulse or respiration) on multiple occasions - the longest for almost 4 minutes. Didn’t see anything. Personally I believe most accounts of near death experiences are either retrospective fabrications or hallucinations caused by hypoxia.
Brilliant academia and scholarship. I love the presentation. I completely feel the expertise of Valliant as a Prosecutor. I am walked down a well documented evidentiary path to the most logical of conclusions. Excellent research and presentation of the available discoverable evidence. Sitting on the jury I would be able to comfortably convict the Flavians as the primary instigators after Nero's initial efforts along with the Herodian descendants, conquered Flavian Jewish Scribe Josephus and the Jewish elites in using par for the course Roman statecraft to deal with the Jewish revolt. The prime motivation being the socio-political circumstances as well as the direct religious concerns of the Flavian emperors deification requirements. Perfectly logical. I also love and appreciate how relevant this information is to so many of our contemporary challenges.
I'm glad to read that I am not the only one who finds the music mix to be distracting and the female narrator's voice to be an irritant. So far I have watched only a half-hour, it is almost torturous to continue but I will try to finish it soon.
I agree with you about the first female voice (irritating with a lisp) that should be done over. I tell people don't mind the female voice it's not all her narrating.
I almost didn't continue watching bc of her voice.
I understand that ignoring Atwill's work was probably necessary to avoid confusion. Focusing on tracing the use of Christian symbols is very helpful.
I suggest that people see CAESAR'S MESSIAH, which features much of the same material, but is focused on typological examination of parallels between NT and Josephus. Really fascinating. Kudos to Atwill.
that was a very interesting book and i think he might be right, as crazy as it sounds at first. the New Testament is pretty bizarre.
@Withnail1969 It struck me hard when first watched the video CAESAR'S MESSIAH, but also seemed preposterous. Yet, I knew of the great influence of Paganism and secret societies, so the idea that Christianity was designed to shape development of society in favor of the ruling class makes perfect sense. There had to be esoteric and exoteric sides to it, an hidden meaning, an inside joke shared among the elites.
A good documentary. I've been looking into the history of the Sun gods, and the most recent one Joshua, follows in their footsteps. But the comments are mind boggling. It shows how tenacious indoctrination can be. Most of us are unable to discern facts due to blind faith. Also, as the documentary implied at the end, waking up to the maniplation of the Flavians does not mean one has to relinquish the belief of God.
If any loving god existed, it would do everything in it's power to prevent war and needless suffering, instead we see the exact opposite, war after war being supported by religious and political powers, that were supposedly placed there by god himself.
Religions themselves created in the middle East are war against human mind I'm not denying being spiritual is a good thing but those called Abrahimc religions are pure evil work and created by the con to control the fool
the classic outdated atheist argument against God!
if you believe you came from nothing and this life is all you have, of course it wouldn't make sense. but in Islam this atheist "argument" is already answered.
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Couldn't agree more
Why do you think that? This is a test run to find worthy people to be in heaven with him. Why would he want weak minded people. It's pretty clear many people have used religion as a weapon, but obviously not everyone...
@@keldonator "week minded"? How strong of a mind does it take to believe in fables? How strong does one have to be to support war and suffering? Murder is still a crime even if you're killing in the name of god, and if those murderers are going to heaven... I'm proud to go to Hell!
Yeah, I still go along with this. Where's Atwill? Maybe I missed him. Unless the guy in glasses is him??? Nope. Where is he? 😒 Glad you all updated the original doc.
We arrived on the Flavian origen in 1984. James Valliant first published that theory in 1989.
@@WarrenFahyAuthorThis is Freemason nonsense, there's Too much proof that Titus was the Chrestus,and you KNOW they've just dropped the Clemens surnames and replaced them with Sabinus 1 2 and 3, absolutely ridiculous,Sabines, Sancus,Saints, HOLY Roman Empire,I could go on forever proving Titus was the living God creator.
@@tyronecox5976 thats the problem with made up stories, there's no way to prove a thing that never happened
Do the makers of this documentary agree that Paul/Saul was most likely to be Flavius Josephus? Could this one man (and his writing team) be the progenitor of many of the Gospels?
A very fair point and one that I lean towards!
Same methods, same genre.
Paul was a self admitted Herodian. Seems to be a real person behind his lies.
Writing teams were employed for him, surely.
Josephus seems to be a pen name...a pseudonym.
Joseph bar Matthias = Joseph of Aramathea
It could have been purely a Flavian Imperial propaganda team that wrote all of the writings of Josephus...
I lean in that direction.
This was very enlightening, and makes sense too, only through the patronage of the romans could Christianity could have taken off, not in opposition to it.
The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For
where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the
beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death.
Except NONE of that ever happened
Yeshua wasnt preaching against the torah, he was preaching the fulfillment of the Torah!
About time someone really use his name
@@cyraps in this video; they are denying he is even a real person at all. I beleive yehsua is real.
@@cyraps The earliest known New Testament writings were written in Greek and Aramaic. I believe His name was Iesous (Greek) and Isa (Aramaic). And yhvh was not His Father!
Jesus of the Synoptic Gospels is a literary character invented by the Romans to promote the recent arrival of the Flavian dynasty to imperial power, creating an archetype of messiah towards which all preexisting Jewish prophecies converged. The aim was (1) to empty Jewish concepts, hijacking the messianic hope and solidifying a controversial archetype of Jewish messiah, (2) to blame the Jews for their own destruction in the war of Jerusalem in 70 and (3) to exalt the Flavian dynasty of emperors. The content of the message propagated by the characters in the narrative portrays an agenda of political accommodation, preservation of the imperial “status quo”, anti-Judaism and military indoctrination: both for Roman soldiers and for colonized civilians. Soldiers are often the recipients of the teachings of the Gospels, which occur both explicitly (as in Luke 3:14, when John the Baptist recommends that soldiers be content with their pay, just as Rome advised those recruited for military service) and implicitly (as in Luke 9:23, when the instruction is given to abandon everything - family, friends, work - and follow the leader, just as the government wanted the soldiers to do). There is also abundant teaching reinforcing the civil obligation to serve soldiers, including obeying them for twice the amount required (Matthew 5:41). The character Jesus always presents himself as the reformer of the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:38, correcting Exodus 21:24 on the principle of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”) and the propagator of various Roman laws (as in Mark 10:12 on marriage and in Matthew 22:21 recommending the payment of taxes). Jesus never taught his disciples to love Jews or their relatives, but he did teach them to love Romans (Matt. 5:44) and to turn the other cheek (Matt. 5:39). The Flavian Theory, therefore, not only presents a coherent argument for the literary origins of Jesus, but also highlights the Romans' ability to use religion as a tool of sociopolitical control.
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Pagan,
You really believe the insane hogwash you're spewing, huh?
@@ViralChristianity search...
ROMAN CATHOLIC LATIN PRAYER WORSHIPPING LUCIFER
Would probably be an easier watch if the narrator didn’t sound like she was hammered..
Try 1.25 speed
I think she is over concerned with pronunciation.
@@jenfnp It's better than lack of clarity, I guess
19:42
As much I agree with the whole concept i must make a small correction here..
Romans didn't deify the Emperor but the "Genio" of the Emperor.
The spirit who guided the Emperor not him personally.
The Greeks named this spirit "Δαίμων Εαυτού" (the inside Daimon not demon).
I agree with the rest of the video, great job!
Were all the clips of D. M. Murdock taken from Caesar's Messiah and the video conversation she did with Atwill later on?
From the interviews filmed of Acharya during the CM sessions but not used in the Caesar's Messiah documentary.
@@Fritzheede that seems odd to me since they make it seem like she's talking about this thesis (which is similar to but not the same as Atwill's) when she's not. And didn't this get made after she died?
I was an ardent atheist who had a Jesus Christ experience and no piece of propaganda will inform my experience
What was your experience exactly?
Did you do a brain MRI? Sometimes these god experiences are related with talamus/corpus calosus lesions or tumors.
A lot more interesting than expected.
Dang this is gooooooood ❤🎉😮
great video, very interesting. watched it on bitchute without an ad every 2 minutes. in fact there were no ads at all.
The You Tube Channel "Gnostic Informant" goes deep on all of this
Will check it out. Thanks!
Well done folks, very interesting documentary.
This was an incredible documentary. Great information. I wish I could find more like this as this topic fascinates me. Thank you!
Study the Gnostics. Hermetics.
Victors have always re-written history.
I thoroughly enjoyed this documentary and greatly appreciated the heartfelt comments from listeners with vastly different opinions. I gave all of them a 👍.
I do believe this universe was created, as evidenced by the intelligent design we find in textbooks of biochemistry and physiology, and in the COMPLEX DESIGN of the physical world we live in. It will be interesting to learn what extraterrestrial beings know and understand about our physical universe, its Creator, and maybe even the Jesus of Christianity, with all its over 45,000 different, worldwide denominations today...over 200 of which are in the United States alone!😇
This "COMPLEX DESIGN". Is it uniform? Are all people, exactly alike? Are any 2 of the same species, exactly alike?
And these "extraterrestrials". Were they created after us? Because, they couldn't have been made before us.
I have been reading the Darkening Age the Christian Destruction of the Classical world by Catherine Nixey and The Myth of Persecution how Early Christians invented a story of Martyrdom by Candida Moss. Wow is a understatement how about a group of martyrs to be getting drunk and having an orgie to celebrate martyrs anniversary deaths😮😮😮 i do recommend the books though ugh 😑
Flavor Flav Flavians
@1:34:25 The narrator says Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Holy Roman Empire. That is incorrect, the Holy Roman Empire was a 1000 years later and formed in honour of the original Roman Empire and not a direct continuation.
Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.
Holy was like in quotes . And Constantine didn't made Christianity the official religion . He just accepted Christianity among the other religions of the Empire . The religion was made "official" by Theodosius ,381 or so .
Thank you for this upload!
Reading some of the outraged comments here reminds me of the reaction you get from Scientologists when you point out facts that challenge their cult. There's a reason for that. Members of any cult will deny evidence that their cult is illegitimate and will become very offended and defensive. Christians are certainly no exception. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of outraged Christians commenting here didn't actually watch the video.
The same is true about some of the 1-star reviews at Amazon for this book. It's fascinating that religion can justify dishonesty (and much worse) so easily while posing as a moral standard for humanity.
This video could just as easily been labeled "Uncreating Christ" .
❤ The data can be extrapolated either way.
What any of us believe is what each of us wants to believe.
Based on books alone you have made your decisions.
That is actually quite ironic . ❤
Greetings from Rome, I'm an independent layman missionary, following the taboo theme (taboo 4us) for years. This documentary is VERY good, my compliments and prayers to all of you.
God bless you 😊
Praying never helped anyone, EVER. And which man made mythological God God's nonsense are you talking about exactly.
@@jfphotography69 just being kind, using common phrases (common 4me) in a social pseudo religious context.
@@fredzacariaI know JESUS ain't Real do u miss me Albino
The narrator? Voice seems to be unstable and the « s »…
sounds like AI or something
Very nice piece of research that offers a new light how christianity originated. Of course the blind believers in this religion are shocked by this.
abrahamic beliefs in particular have held humans back for far too long- time to toss them in the dustbin
Prove to us with your own individuality by using your own belief to move forward instead of just telling us to stop believing in something that we were naturally inclined to believe when were born.
@@abu-bakrkhan5692 naturally inclined or brainwashed?
@jackomalley77 whether your born into a muslim family, christian family, Jewish family, hindu family, Buddhist family or even an atheist family; each and every baby are naturally inclined to believe in 1 God (a higher power). There's a study in Oxford University by Justin barat on this topic and I highly suggest you check it out for yourself.
Also you did it again, you suggested that we're brainwashed without giving us any evidence of it so your whole argument is throwing random irrelevant points that are just your own stupid opinion.
Look at how the West is crumbling without religion. Look at how Russia is becoming more and more powerful by the day. The british was the superpower for 200 years with the flag of christianity while their churches was actually full.
It was the islamic belief that made the freedom fighters in afghanistan to form a resistance against the british, ussr, usa. If it wasn't for the belief of the Mujahideen then afghanistan would have fallen to the commies but from the what I've gotten from you so far is that you would of probably preferred that to happen.
Google the inventions of muslims and you might come across something called the islamic golden age which is when muslim actually followed their faith properly. The funny thing is that muslims have dominated 90% of its history, whether that's in science, inventions, literacy, mathematics, spirituality, debating, theology, martial arts, warfare, military power, clean societies and fully working thriving societies. True religion stops Haynes crimes such as rape, murder, theft, adultery, genocide and even stops other stuff like suicide. True belief in religion stops terrorism.
So the muslims have dominated in every field for 90% of its history and only the last 10% which has been the 20th and 21st century where they have lost there power and stopped dominating in everything. They still dominate in certain fields but not everything of course.
So why do you fail to look at our history and just see us for how we are at this certain moment in time. Plus I think it's quite ironic how the muslims have fallen Materialisticly ever since they started to go further away from their faith and practice less with a weaker belief. However the peak of every islamic khalifate or empire is when the religion was at its peak.
Held back from what?
I see people doing whatever they feel everyday?
@jackomalley77 If we are born with a belief, then how can we be brainwashed into thinking what were born with?
As a christian this was VERY interesting. Theres a lot here i did not know about the actual views of early christiandom from the roman perspective (especially the parts about paul and the those jewish wars).
Its sad that people in the comments didnt pay attention to the end when the interviewees stated that they arent trying to disprove god. Owell
I am not a Christian; I don't think anyone has ever been born by virgin birth or resurrected from the dead. The miracles of Jesus are the miracles of the sun; walking on water, turning water into wine, raising the dead (every spring when the dead soil is brought to life) etc. Neither do I think that there have ever been any prophets. Humanity has always been much as the same as it is now, as this video demonstrates. However not believing things doesn't for a second mean having to be an atheist. This is a false dichotomy created by belief itself. What if Being, existence itself, is divine and my being is not separate from the being of the universe? Being cannot deny being, so there is no need for belief. I think this is called pantheism or panentheism, though I don't care much what it's called. This might be the way forward if people can get it (which is the big problem). Alan Watts, Rupert Spira, Krishnamurti, Douglas Harding et al have been discussing this in some form for quite a while now and they're well worth listening to. So, no need to believe in historically dubious dying reborn sun gods, mad murderous prophets or improbable miracles - Being itself is a miracle and it's right in front of us now and we are It.
Watch the dude's videos who debunked all this! He did it with 'Marketing The Messiah'! I'm a Christian, too, not religion but a follower of Jesus.
Who is the dude so I can watch it too.
@@KindredKunoichi Jesus was a moron, don't take any of his advice. Wash your hands and spitting doesn't cure blindness.
When you read the Gospels it seem all christ's saying were programed of speaking the same thing in different occasions. Words seem to be programmed in every saying of christ by someone.
The reason some people have trouble with the narrator's voice is that they are probably suffering from a condition called cognitive dissonance, which is a situation where those who are experiencing disorientation by information that challenges their central beliefs will latch on to surface factors to vent their frustration.
exactly
Good point...
Makes sense.
Exactly. I've done this myself with other subjects when I believe I'm right. We all suffer this and must be open to learning and searching for the truth. Religious people don't like to be challenged as they are fragile and can't chance having their worldview wrecked.
I never realized before that Apollo is the Greek Sun God. And Jesus is the "Son of God" Son God. Really makes you think.
that's a weak comparison, don't fall into the trap of that feeble lie. open the Bible and READ the Gospels of Matthew, Luke, Mark and John. ASK God to open your heart to the truth (God is an eternal Spirit). Read the words and note the deeds of Jesus and decide for YOURSELF if YOU BELIEVE. It could change your life FOREVER.
" For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
♪♫♥Very interesting - Thank you for this !