Misfire and leaning running codes (rough running) are usually fixed by a vin specific ME software update. The engines make a lot of power but for emissions they run really lean, and sometimes it triggers the misfire counter although technically its not misfiring.
@@MrDavidchuck means a dealer visit and have them reflash a new updated software version for the ecu. free of charge if the car is still under warranty.
Note @4:15 : The power in the M177 LS2 is actually rated up to 630 hp and 660 lb-ft in the AMG GT 63 S but no mechanical changes vs. the E63 S are listed. Also, the text should say 850Nm on screen (or 895Nm for the GT 63).
My CL63 with it's M156 V8 will always have a place in my garage. We are a dying breed, the few that still remain have earned respect in the car community.🔝☑️
I watched this video to see if there were any problems with the hot-v setup over time (like with BMW's N63). I didn't think having the turbos in that position was good for seals and gaskets. So far MB looks to have got it right in terms of reliability.
The 6.7 Powerstroke diesel in the Ford Superduty trucks is a hot V setup. The early years 2011-2014 had turbo issues but overall it seems to be a solid engine.
Great video, mate! Well done! I'm driving the M177 LS2 in an E63s and while it is a great engine with mind blowing performance, I'm still missing the pure and clear V8 rumble + brutal sounds coming out of the sport exhaust in the M157 engines - as we all know - there's "no replacement for displacement". I can also confirm the rough idling on the M177. Not sure what to do besides replacing the spark plugs and ignition coils, but I can live with it. :) So sad that these amazing engines will become history soon...
Agreed! The M157 is a bit closer to original - but then if you hop in the old 113k or 156 thats OLD school AMG v8 haha :) The M177 & M157 are still great :)
my c63 s with an armytrix exhaust really has that deep v8 sound to it. Although the m157 sounds good, i really don't think these engines are missing out in the sound department at all. You have to consider that the turbos act as mufflers in a way. so stacking cats, and actual mufflers will deaden the sound. Open it up a bit and I promise you it sounds just as great.
Yes will be so bummed when AMG stops making these v8s..I’m a big fan of the AMG GTRs and am hoping to get my hands on one soon..im convinced they’ll be classics in the not too distant future when merc inevitably goes all EV…
@@DZGunner Thanks for chiming in, mate. You may. be right about the noise - I have removed the cats and put straight downpipes as well as adaptors on the rear flaps (as one of them were on a way to fly away from the pops & bangs w/out cats) and now it is noisy, but still not really impressed about the quality of the sound.
Great video, are you planning to do a follow up video on the reliability of the M177 now that it has been out for almost 10 years or a comparison vs the M157 being they are both turbocharged.
Lots of trouble coming. Like the M278 preceding it. 1. Plastics with flimsy connectors buried in very hot places. 2. DI without PI will carbon up intake valves quickly. Cylinder deactivation and cam cover adhesive aging are upcoming problems. 3. All are buried under layers of stuff which breaks when you disassemble it. 4. MB shop rates and book times are punitive. In short. Consider avoiding German altogether if you have time and money constraints.
Great video, very informative! My GLE AMG 63s SUV is phenomenal. Sadly, these stellar engines and vehicles are coming to an end as AMG is turning to 2.0 L & electrified engines for the future.
Thank you for giving some real info, when I did a c63 e63 compare search, all i got was youtube trash drag racing and lazy eyed word salad about subjective things in the cars.
Thinking about upgrading from my 2015 Cls 63 to a 2016/2017 AMG GT/S. Is the M178 More or less reliable than an M157 if both are stock and regularly maintained? I’m a little bit unsure of what to do as the AMG GT is a pretty car but I do really enjoy the M157 engine and sharp looks of my Cls. Not to mention that the car has been very reliable. do you think I’ll miss the M157 in terms of thrill and reliability by moving on into the GT ? Thanks!!
@@bassel.m2988 what do you think a e63s can make because its confusing for me 2013 it's like 518hp then 2014 577hp but for 2013 it's a normal e63 not the s So what hp can it make by any chance
The cheapest car to get into an M177 from brand new is the C63, so logically it's the cheapest car on the 2nd hand market as well. It's also one of the best all around AMG cars so it's a steal
M177 isn’t dry sump, it’s still a wet sump. And yes the E63S was advertised as being able to run on 4 cylinders in ideal highway conditions. Real world testing proved that its quite difficult to get the car to actually deactivate 4 cylinders but it’s still possible
@@print-master that is sail mode, it activates when eco start/stop is enabled and you are coasting. It decouples the engine and transmission so you can coast with less mechanical resistance. Does it also deactivate some cylinders? This I had never heard of
This engine may suit mass-production cars but exclusive hand-built supercars need more sound, more reliability. This is why classic American n/a V8 will live when these will soon be replaced by turbo V6 and even smaller hybrid engines.
No it's not risky at all, but like any car just look for lower mileage to be on safe side. I got mine used 2 years ago at 30k miles. Been tuned for over a year now approaching 50k miles and not one single issue. Regular maintenance and the car will treat you right.
Is the power difference between standard models and 'S' models simply a power limit induced on the non-S? There are lots of people offering cheap remaps up to the same horsepower of the S models and if there's no mechanical difference it seems like a good option
This makes no sense. The engine got smaller from previous generation and lost a whole lot of power and torque... Why upgrade? This was the fall of Mercedes
This is by far the best video on the M177 & M178 engine variant from Mercedes AMG.…Ls1 & Ls2…..Hmmmm sounds like a Chevy engine. Brilliant video.
Misfire and leaning running codes (rough running) are usually fixed by a vin specific ME software update. The engines make a lot of power but for emissions they run really lean, and sometimes it triggers the misfire counter although technically its not misfiring.
Could you explain on what you mean?
@@MrDavidchuck means a dealer visit and have them reflash a new updated software version for the ecu. free of charge if the car is still under warranty.
@Wandy .. “ME softwares”??
@@MrDavidchuck motor electronics, thats what mercedes calls their engine control module
Note @4:15 : The power in the M177 LS2 is actually rated up to 630 hp and 660 lb-ft in the AMG GT 63 S but no mechanical changes vs. the E63 S are listed. Also, the text should say 850Nm on screen (or 895Nm for the GT 63).
Different turbos
i wouldn't even know where to begin on trying to upgrade for more power,bigger turbos?,e85 and a tune,really hard to start
@@aestheticswim3397 tuners and bigger turbos.
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This is the. Best 4.0 v8 in the market
My CL63 with it's M156 V8 will always have a place in my garage. We are a dying breed, the few that still remain have earned respect in the car community.🔝☑️
E63 with the M156 i love it never has let me down ...knock on wood
I'm taking my 07 e63 on a long road trip tomorow
honestly best AMG channel hands down
Nice to know where I can find my true fellow AMG lovers. With love from South Africa 👋🏾
I was just watching your video of the m157 and thinking if you had made a video about the 4.0 but I did not see.What a day love your videos
I watched this video to see if there were any problems with the hot-v setup over time (like with BMW's N63). I didn't think having the turbos in that position was good for seals and gaskets. So far MB looks to have got it right in terms of reliability.
The 6.7 Powerstroke diesel in the Ford Superduty trucks is a hot V setup. The early years 2011-2014 had turbo issues but overall it seems to be a solid engine.
The N63 was just a bad engine when it came out. Audi had the hot-v but even the early ones are pretty reliable in those
I love you man, and i love what you do, you're a real amg meister
Nice video and great analysis. Thx for featuring my AMG-GTC!
Great video, mate! Well done!
I'm driving the M177 LS2 in an E63s and while it is a great engine with mind blowing performance, I'm still missing the pure and clear V8 rumble + brutal sounds coming out of the sport exhaust in the M157 engines - as we all know - there's "no replacement for displacement".
I can also confirm the rough idling on the M177. Not sure what to do besides replacing the spark plugs and ignition coils, but I can live with it. :)
So sad that these amazing engines will become history soon...
Agreed! The M157 is a bit closer to original - but then if you hop in the old 113k or 156 thats OLD school AMG v8 haha :) The M177 & M157 are still great :)
my c63 s with an armytrix exhaust really has that deep v8 sound to it. Although the m157 sounds good, i really don't think these engines are missing out in the sound department at all. You have to consider that the turbos act as mufflers in a way. so stacking cats, and actual mufflers will deaden the sound. Open it up a bit and I promise you it sounds just as great.
Yes will be so bummed when AMG stops making these v8s..I’m a big fan of the AMG GTRs and am hoping to get my hands on one soon..im convinced they’ll be classics in the not too distant future when merc inevitably goes all EV…
Valvetronic exhaust fixes that trust me! :)
@@DZGunner Thanks for chiming in, mate. You may. be right about the noise - I have removed the cats and put straight downpipes as well as adaptors on the rear flaps (as one of them were on a way to fly away from the pops & bangs w/out cats) and now it is noisy, but still not really impressed about the quality of the sound.
Hurts my heart to know that this might be the last V-8 glad I got my M156 for now
Noooo 😭😭
I predict moving to 4 bangers exclusively will doom AMG. Also, hang on to that M156 - the only engine with AMG logos all over the castings.
How do you Think that this will affect the Price of your 63 amg
Good research and very well put together into a video. It will be interesting to see how these engines will perform in the future
Great video, are you planning to do a follow up video on the reliability of the M177 now that it has been out for almost 10 years or a comparison vs the M157 being they are both turbocharged.
+1
Very good information and nicely edited.
Lots of trouble coming.
Like the M278 preceding it.
1. Plastics with flimsy connectors buried in very hot places.
2. DI without PI will carbon up intake valves quickly. Cylinder deactivation and cam cover adhesive aging are upcoming problems.
3. All are buried under layers of stuff which breaks when you disassemble it.
4. MB shop rates and book times are punitive.
In short. Consider avoiding German altogether if you have time and money constraints.
Be quiet!
I am so glad that I am subscribed to your channel. Brilliant video!
Incredible video, well done man
Thanks for a very good video, I had such a battle to at last get this information on the M178. Hope the engine will last if looked after.
Your videos are pure brilliance. Keep up the great work.
Very good your video!!! my question is, the block of the m177 and m178 are the same?
Can you make a video about c63/s w205 issues and common problems?
Great video, very informative! My GLE AMG 63s SUV is phenomenal. Sadly, these stellar engines and vehicles are coming to an end as AMG is turning to 2.0 L & electrified engines for the future.
Thank you for giving some real info, when I did a c63 e63 compare search, all i got was youtube trash drag racing and lazy eyed word salad about subjective things in the cars.
I learned a lot from this informative video ;)
--2013 SL 63 owner.
That's the m157.
Do you like the m157/m278 over this motor or this one way better?
AMG GT-R is really fun to drive.
You just mixed the 1st seen application as the M178 came before the M177. But other than that great video 🤟🏿
Can you make a comparison of the M177/78 vs Volkswagen/Audi's 4.0 TFSI
Thinking about upgrading from my 2015 Cls 63 to a 2016/2017 AMG GT/S. Is the M178 More or less reliable than an M157 if both are stock and regularly maintained? I’m a little bit unsure of what to do as the AMG GT is a pretty car but I do really enjoy the M157 engine and sharp looks of my Cls. Not to mention that the car has been very reliable. do you think I’ll miss the M157 in terms of thrill and reliability by moving on into the GT ?
Thanks!!
Sorry, do you have a PDF explanation of this engine by Mercedes trainers? The video shows some explanatory clips from these booklets
Chain driven water pump. Sounds fun.
Mercedes’ Planned obsolescence BS
water pump is only $250. Take it to a independent shop and have it done probably under 1k but yeah planned obsolescence is real
Pay to play.
how about the m176 engine,is it from AMG?
May i know is the 2018 S63amg coupe C217 is M177 LS1 or LS2?
2 year update? How is this motor holding?
Nico rosberg at 0:48?
Good spot
End of V8 Engines?😢
How long do I need to let this engine idle after driving to prevent engine/ turbo/ excessive oil damage/ degradation from occurring?
5 mins
What is the firing order of the M177 and M178 engine?
What hp does a e63s 2013 make is it 518 or 577 or something else
Depends but 2013 E63S back then when the M156 was in its prime and peak times, somewhere around 630hp and up
@@bassel.m2988 oh I see
It made 577hp and 800nm
@@bassel.m2988 what do you think a e63s can make because its confusing for me 2013 it's like 518hp then 2014 577hp but for 2013 it's a normal e63 not the s
So what hp can it make by any chance
@@keiadam oh ok thanks
I have the LS1 in my 2016 c63s yet is has cylinder deactivation. The vid alludes cd became available on the LS2
How does the cylinder deactivation work? I have never seen anything like that
Nice video. RIP the V8.
do a video about m117/m119/m100 amg engine
Great informative video... every day is a school day.
Ok what is the cheapest way to get your hands on a m177/176 basically a used Mercedes-benz which comes with a m177/176 that depreciates like a stone?
The cheapest car to get into an M177 from brand new is the C63, so logically it's the cheapest car on the 2nd hand market as well. It's also one of the best all around AMG cars so it's a steal
hey are there any AMG clubs in Vancouver ?
do a M133 video
Thanks
If possible, can you do a review of the SL 65 BLACK SERIES.
65 black series used M275 twin turbo charged V12 that produced 670hp the engine is now considered dated to modern V8’s that make the same power.
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The M177 also features a dry sump
And with the M177 LS2 cylinder deactivation I'm not so sure about
M177 isn’t dry sump, it’s still a wet sump. And yes the E63S was advertised as being able to run on 4 cylinders in ideal highway conditions. Real world testing proved that its quite difficult to get the car to actually deactivate 4 cylinders but it’s still possible
@@SamAbraham good to know. Thanks
@@SamAbraham it deactivates on the over run and puts a blue sail boat to show as the revs drop ( i think)
@@print-master that is sail mode, it activates when eco start/stop is enabled and you are coasting. It decouples the engine and transmission so you can coast with less mechanical resistance. Does it also deactivate some cylinders? This I had never heard of
Such a shame AMG has cut down the V12 and now the V8, 4 cylinders are souless
They're going to cut down 4 cylinders as well at some point...I see AMG going full electric very soon.😢
@@damilolaakanniA guy who works for Benz already said they stopped developing Petrol engines full stop. (I.e. straight petrol - non hybrid)
@@damilolaakanni yup inside of the next 5 years it’ll be all EV
@@thatmatty231guy yup get your future classics now and hang on tight ..*cough* AMG GTR 🤣
This engine may suit mass-production cars but exclusive hand-built supercars need more sound, more reliability.
This is why classic American n/a V8 will live when these will soon be replaced by turbo V6 and even smaller hybrid engines.
Its sad they’re moving away from these special engines
Is it too risky to buy a used W205 C63?
No it's not risky at all, but like any car just look for lower mileage to be on safe side. I got mine used 2 years ago at 30k miles. Been tuned for over a year now approaching 50k miles and not one single issue. Regular maintenance and the car will treat you right.
Is the power difference between standard models and 'S' models simply a power limit induced on the non-S? There are lots of people offering cheap remaps up to the same horsepower of the S models and if there's no mechanical difference it seems like a good option
The non s c63 tops out at 155. it's around 460 hp. On the other hand, the c63s hits 180 with 503 hp if this helps
Great vid great engine, but it is a nightmare to work on😱
I feel this engine doesn't have the same soul as the previous AMG V8s
It's a different kind of soul
I didn’t know Mercedes-Benz was still fucking with Chevy on there engine code. I thought they stopped this in the 00’s 😂😂😂
Lol😂
These things are just way to complicated. Used issues will destroy you.
There’s so much to like about a hot V… !
Stupid fast engines!
Disgusting what they’re doing. Time for the,Extended warranty for the 2020 GLC63
This makes no sense. The engine got smaller from previous generation and lost a whole lot of power and torque... Why upgrade? This was the fall of Mercedes
With AMG it's not so much whether you can afford the car, but whether you can afford the maintenance. Typical German over-engineering.
I hope Mercedes will see significant drop in sales of their AMG 63 lines due to their shift towards a despicable 4 cylinder powertrain.