How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? Public lecture by Quentin Skinner
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- Professor Quentin Skinner delivered a public lecture at the University of York, on the occasion of the 500th anniversary of the composition of Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince.
Professor Skinner is the Barber Beaumont Professor of the Humanities at Queen Mary, University of London.
Machiavelli was a genius when it came to uncovering and explaining the complexity of human behavior and how that applies especially in politics. People often forget to put him in the context of his time and have a broader picture of things. They would appreciate his writings more.
12:30 ‘Moses cheated because God told him what to do, so that doesn’t really count’ I find this statement quite hilarious
Professor Skinner, I admire your interpretation of Machiavelli's writing. Excellent! 👏👏❤
Professor thank you for your magnificent interpretation of Machiavelli’s greatest work, Il Principe. Of all the multiple interpretations I have listened to, about 20, yours tops it all. Grazie mille Professore 🙏
I’ll quote this to be the most true short describing sentence for the “prince “ book and among the many unjust and cruel explanations for machiavelli’s great mental faculties
“The prince must be someone willing to do evil that good shall come of it “
Thank you for the good lecture .
00:01 Introduction to Machiavelli
03:25 The Prince
Practical advice about statecraft, to new princes
05:25 Virtu
Indispensable set of qualities to succeed
Principle task of understanding The Prince is to understand Virtu
1. Power to offset Fortuna (luck)
2. Power to get lucky (Fortuna is not providence), ability to seize opportunities
3. Enables you to maintain your state, standing, as a ruler
4. Maintain the jurisdictions and institutions of the state
15:50 Hiero of Syracuse
16:40 Avoid being hated and despised
Ok to be feared
18:15 Getting power
Many ways
Only one way to maintain power - Virtu
19:05 Goal should be glory
Do great things
21:30 Other books on advice to princes
Justice is essential
Cicero - faith, keep your word
Seneca - liberality/generosity, clemency (going beyond being just)
Three princely virtues - justice, generosity, clemency
26:50 Chapter 15
Machiavelli disagrees, departs massively from conventional advice
Follow the three princely virtues only as long as they help you maintain your state (consequentialism)
Princely judgement (Virtu) is judging when that is right
32:00 Chapter 18 How far should you keep your promises?
Keep your word only if it helps you maintain your state
This is confirmed by experience e.g. Pope Alexander VI
So that people don't care, be brilliant at dissembling, like a fox
35:05 Summary
Be good if possible, be evil when necessary
That's a virtuous prince
But this is a crude analysis
36:10 However, that is only true for justice
Not for liberality or clemency - How Machiavellian was Machiavelli?
If they ruin you, how can they be virtuous?
38:10 Thucydides
Corcya civil war
The first casualty is moral language
Evil acts excused as virtues, good actions denigrated
41:00 Aristotle, Art of Rhetoric
Manipulate moral language to excuse vices (rhetoric)
Quintilian - paradiastole (re-describing vices by using neighboring virtues)
Interpretation #2 Thucydides - the rhetorical trick is *pointing out* the re-description of vices as virtues
Rutilius Lupus, Rhetorical ad Herennium
47:00 Chapter 16 Concerning Liberality
What passes for the virtue of liberality (generosity) is the vice of extravagance
Liberality can cause you to raise taxes ==> hatred ==> lose state
Therefore being miserly is not a vice
48:00 Chapter 17 Concerning Cruelty and Clemency
What passes for the virtue of clemency is the vice of over indulgence
Scipio was lax
50:25 Louis XII
Parsimonious, therefore could fight wars without raising taxes, therefore generous
51:10 Cesare Borgia
Cruel at the outset, but brought peace and prosperity, therefore merciful
51:45 Summary
Political virtue - will it help you maintain your state?
Justice - often needs to be avoided
True liberality always works
True clemency always works
This is brilliant … thanks for the generosity
@@micheleinacharles-hazellem1968 wonderful summary. You understood the book well and its applicability. Gracias.
This is the finest commentary on Machiavelli I have seen or read.
Im a big Machiavelli fan and i would like to thank you for this most interesting lecture prof. Skinner
The study of the Machiavellian thought or idea is a complex one and this lecture has done great justice introducing its literature. Thank you professor.
This is a captivating and rich lecture on another incredible mind! Thanks very much to Prof. Skinner!
Wonderful lecture and fantasticly delivered
Thoroughly absorbing- an amazing lecture and lecturer
Brilliant lecture. I especially loved you touching upon disguising vices and when is virtue a vice. Thank you.
I play this every night b4 going to bed sad I wish I could find more like this
Here's some similar videos I have found ua-cam.com/play/PLY9znvXifSMwsjZXYLa_rRF5wtbw62YC6.html
Great lecture!
Excellent lecture! Thanks!
Thank you kindly Sir!
Notable clase del profesor Skinneer acerca de cómo se maneja realmente el poder desde siempre y hasta hoy y en el futuro......
In italian, the word "stato" can mean also a state of something, for example a mental state or an emotional state.
Great lecture. 👏👏👏👏
The first thoroughly enjoyable and absorbing lecture i have ever seen on the subject of Machiavelli
Thank you Professor! A lot.
Best talk I’ve heard on Machiavelli, thank you very much.
The analysis of chapter XV should be its own a TED talk. As a descendant of the man, this is a great class.
Excellent, wonderful speaker..!
Great illuminating Lecture☺️👍
Nice ☺️ and clear lecture 👍 on the Prince by Machiavelli.
Excellent lecture.
fantastic lecture
one of the amazing professors to learn from! Thank you sir indeed
Great video
Insightful lecture! Thank you so much for this! :)
Wonderful lecture. Thank you
My gosh That was utterly brilliant! Piercingly insightful, and absolutely fascinating.
About 40 minutes in, I think he aptly describes a lot if what's going in today's society regarding the seizing of moral language to advance partisan ideals and redescribing vices as their closely related virtues.
Woah, well said. Didn't expect from a black woman, no offence.
@@Hsaelt what xDD
@@revelations2044 what
@@Hsaelt xDD
@@revelations2044 why u mock me so 🥺🥺🥺
love from persia andfire the sound guy
Just a note, by empeor Antoninus, Machiavelli means Caracalla.
Today we distinguish between Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, and Caesar Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus Pius Augustus (Caracalla), as Antoninus (because he was the first emperor with such a surname), Marcus Aurelius (cutting it short to avoid confusion) and Caracalla (a nickname), since he had stolen the name in order to associate himself to previous greater emeperors.
This is the same thing we do today for Caligula. Ancient historians called him Divus Gaius to distinguish him, bur his real name was Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus (which however was also the name of many other prominant Roman figures including emperors).
Bad emperors in general today are just called by nicknames. Great emeperors always keep their favorite name (usually… Augustus is agustus, despite the fact that all emperors were called Augustus).
However during the renaissance Caracalla was still called by his prefered name (his fake surname) of Antoninus. The real antoninus was called Antoninus Pius.
For example, the baths of Caracalla in the Noli map of Rome are called antoninian baths. As opposed to the baths of Caracalla as we call them today.
Thanks for this youtube post
Thank you
Thank you.
very good one
A good leader should show leadership by force if necessary and by deeds instead of words, however, a charismatic leader with a strong character and personality could take him very far. Virtud means his attributes and his skills. Thank you very much.
very good lecture.
This is exactly what Machiavelli would have wanted us to believe
So deep. Humans are ridiculous man.
In reality, Machiavelli was the first anti-machiavellian
Machiavelli would not be remotely concerned with what we might believe.
What do you means. .. what he want to believe..i don't understand that..?
There are some mistakes in subtitles, one of them is when he uses latin words but are targeted as italian word
That point about Clemency and Liberality was extremely interesting and something I missed in my reading of The Prince
Per par condicio lo dico in italiano. Il termine "virtù" aveva, ai tempi di Machiavelli, e anche adesso, il significato di "forza", in particolare, di una forza che agisce e crea delle conseguenze. In italiano parliamo tuttora di virtù di una legge, di un ragionamento, o di un farmaco.
..of particular Roman regiment.
Where can I physically attend lectures like these?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the professor's citation of Thucydides description of the perversion of moral language is uncanny in its similarities between Orwell's description of double think.
I think you are on the right track here as well.
Grandioso
super
What a fucking boss!! I loved this lecture!
Now we're asking the real questions
I can't find that justice quote attributed to Saki. Are you sure he said it?
He's referring to Sacchi (humanist writer)
have anyone of you read the book 'Quest for Freedom. An Interview with Quentin Skinner'? I'd really recommend it.
cool
there is quentin tarantino... and quentin skinnner
a good explanation about the concept of virtù.
I wonder how high machiavelli would of scored on Robert Hare's psychopathic test.
What should i major in and what career should i pursue to be like him
+Sven Meier stfu
Philosophy and history of philosophy of course :-) unless you mean machiaveli in which case diplomat and writer who reads philosophy
ugh I cant hear him. the volume is too low even with all my volume settings maxed out
Watched all of it 53:46
Consequentialism, when applied to the shortest period of time becomes opportunism and when applied to eternity becomes idealism. To what temporal horizon does Machiavelli bind his judgement of virtue?
Good question? 🤔
max one lifespan
ofcourse
Nice interpretation of consequentialism (not really)
@@vlad3192 I'm just playing with the idea, no need to be sarcastic and mean :)
What's wrong with the sound
his italian accent was on point
In these 50 minutes, I was taken 100 meters below my intellectual depth
Increasingly topical. All we need now is reality.. oh hang on..
Virtue
Lmao "severus" as his bame implies 🔥🔥🔥😂😂😂😂
A lightweight beginner by today standard
Glory is greater than oneself , to be a glorious figure , according to Machiavelli was to restore Rome , how is that a personal credit ? Obviously no man is an island , Machiavelli was a masterful recruiter who valued the Republic , Glory is shared and lasting if the Republic is maintained .
how can someone be so naive to say these issues doesn't hold now , because we are in a "Democracy " ....weird , ! Where has he been..oh yes academia !
14:32
17:34, lets see if trump retains in the following term
Lol, he didn’t
The word is strongly rooted in Amalekite' s
" overture ". Its literal meaning : " Be Instructed, O Jerusalem !"
( Prof. Chomsky would have said it , probably 100 times an hour that, that is which makes "the Prince of the selfish gin ")
The Art of Politics?
He forgot one of his own rules as an adviser to power ...do not offer advice unless asked for it from the ruler..the reason being that a ruler must never see you as smarter or a threat to him/her..
19:30
After the watching the whole speech I liked the last part when talks about vices and virtue... i dont like their first part definition of virtue with their examples, also how described clemency, and justice
whos here because of BBM? lol
Machiavelli cleared the bush, Thomas Hobbs built the building.
would he consider duterte a machiavellian?
by virtue, liberality and clemency.
He wrote The Prince in order to preserve his life. He could have been afraid of The Mdecis.
Fear is the most effective motivator 🤔puts his commentary in perspective
Seneca bad luck that was .... hahaha
I've only listened to 16 minutes of this lecture and have found much from this professor to disagree with.
However, I'm all for Nicollo M. being a topic of discussion though...
You should go to a public lecture and ask a question...very easy to do.
Bet you don't but...
@@bangersinlondon2231 In this day n age the tediousness of monotony of researching & referencing is no longer in the equation. Now you just ask Google n vola! You have the answer to your question(s)...
Ok, both "Romagna" and "Romania" are nice countries... but not they aren't the same thing 😏
😏
Luck?
Fertuna
This awesome video makes me disgust the popular culture depiction of him.
He says if Smith hadn't had a heart attack we would never have heard of Tony Blair. This he says is an example of fortuna at work. Hmm. For a Machiavelli scholar he isn't very Machiavellian, is he.
Why does he have to say men are source material here, did feminists break in here as well?
He is just appeasing the zeitgeist
machiavelli and ayn rand >>>kant nietzche >>than fyodor or schopenhaeur.
Sleepy Joe is Scipio
Talks too much about concepts and thoughts, its far away from reality and living politics you extract anything... its just like schollars speech and Machiavelli its a practical guidebook from that time on how princes and rulers should behave and act to adquire Power or Mantain their thrones.
PINKLAWANS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THIS CHANNEL.
Nothing "successful" about Tony Blair - a hollow nothing in an empty suit.
If Blair wasn't successful, in one sense or the other, we wouldn't be aware of his existence
@@user-hu3iy9gz5j Putin is equally "successful" - both are WEF/Bilderberg Puppets
I think he's trying to fool the world my opinon I don't believe he can even see straight therefore it's not a proven fact
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Not near as Machiavellian as Christ and that bs kingdom