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  • You can find Machiavelli's work here amzn.to/3Pp1Hnt
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    Dr. Michael Sugrue earned his BA at the University of Chicago and PhD at Columbia University.

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  • @TunaTheMiner
    @TunaTheMiner 2 роки тому +3436

    Fun fact: This lecture was entirely improvised. The person who was supposed to give the lecture had an episode moments before going on stage and Dr. Sugrue filled in for him at the last second. He brought a blank piece of paper with him on stage to make the audience think he wasn't just making it up. This story was told on the Idea Store podcast Q&A part 3.

    • @michaelpattiani7230
      @michaelpattiani7230 2 роки тому +96

      That’s amazing, good for all is listening 😮❤. I smile every time a new episode comes out.

    • @tomasroque3338
      @tomasroque3338 2 роки тому +23

      Improvised*

    • @robinsarchiz
      @robinsarchiz 2 роки тому +10

      An episode?

    • @tomasroque3338
      @tomasroque3338 2 роки тому +96

      @@robinsarchiz
      Episode
      noun: episode; plural noun: episodes
      1 - an event or a group of events occurring as part of a sequence; an incident or period considered in isolation.
      "the whole episode has been a major embarrassment"
      2 - a finite period in which someone is affected by a specified illness.
      "acute psychotic episodes"

    • @stevemartinez1360
      @stevemartinez1360 2 роки тому +109

      @@tomasroque3338 sir, I encourage you to rethink your purpose.

  • @ashfaquehossain8592
    @ashfaquehossain8592 5 місяців тому +28

    Dr. Michael Sugrue is Professor of History at Ave Maria University. A graduate of the Great Books Program, he earned his B.A. in History from the University of Chicago and his M.A., M.Phil., and Ph.D. in History from Columbia University.
    Prior to taking his position at Ave Maria University, Professor Sugrue taught at Princeton University, the City College of New York, Columbia University, Manhattan College, New York University, Hampton University, and Touro College. He served as the Mellon Postdoctoral Fellow at Johns Hopkins University from 1992 to 1994.
    Professor Sugrue was awarded the Chamberlain Fellowship, the President's Fellowship, the John Jay Fellowship, and the Meyer Padva Prize.

    • @GODHATESADOPTION
      @GODHATESADOPTION Місяць тому

      Hope he knows the books based on pope sixtus...

  • @timangar9771
    @timangar9771 2 роки тому +171

    Nothing more badass than lecturing for 42 minutes 50 seconds on how to be a villain, calling it "Machiavelli" and dropping it on youtube without further comment.

    • @Supermoneygang12
      @Supermoneygang12 Рік тому +5

      You know this is like 40 years old right

    • @YABUKIJOE2077
      @YABUKIJOE2077 Рік тому +2

      @@Supermoneygang12 it’s an old video. Good observation

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j 11 місяців тому +3

      Can’t be a villain if you wield power

    • @eman85mph
      @eman85mph 3 місяці тому

      Tell that to the cosmic spectrum 🎚 ​@@user-hu3iy9gz5j

    • @mike_theskinny8646
      @mike_theskinny8646 Місяць тому +1

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  • @jacuzzistyles5997
    @jacuzzistyles5997 7 місяців тому +161

    Michael, I started watching your lectures 3yrs ago… I’m 34 and entered college last spring. your lectures hatched something in my soul. Now I’m majoring in political science, and minoring in philosophy.

    • @-Magnetized
      @-Magnetized 3 місяці тому +2

      How’s it going?

    • @iwanttodie7199
      @iwanttodie7199 Місяць тому

      college at 34? wow

    • @-Magnetized
      @-Magnetized Місяць тому +2

      @@iwanttodie7199 ^imagine being this guy. It’s not his fault you gave up on yourself

    • @iwanttodie7199
      @iwanttodie7199 Місяць тому

      @@-Magnetized we clear college at 18, unis at 22 so yeah nah bud.

    • @-Magnetized
      @-Magnetized Місяць тому

      @@iwanttodie7199 your YT profile name is “iwanttod!e”.
      Like I said before, it’s not his fault your life sucks and you gave up on yourself.

  • @ryanv2324
    @ryanv2324 3 місяці тому +18

    Strangely, it was the news of this mans passing that made me click on one of his lectures just out of curiosity and ive been non stop listening since. So a post-mortem thank you sir

  • @nomankhan2337
    @nomankhan2337 2 роки тому +908

    Hands down the best philosophy content on whole UA-cam.

    • @sirliridon.4419
      @sirliridon.4419 2 роки тому +7

      Rick Roderick too

    • @ethansadberry6069
      @ethansadberry6069 Рік тому

      Yes fr

    • @dr.bilalnazir
      @dr.bilalnazir Рік тому +1

      Check the lectures of Dr. Arthur Holmes

    • @Ybby999
      @Ybby999 Рік тому +4

      @@huzi46 not really philosophy, he talks about MMA a lot and also he's against homosexuals.

    • @huzi46
      @huzi46 Рік тому +3

      @@Ybby999 you Clearly haven’t watched most of his content lmao, and no he doesn’t hate on Homosexuals. Only says to leave the kids out of it.

  • @dompishen
    @dompishen 2 роки тому +310

    These lectures are honestly the best philosophy content on youtube.

    • @Bear-ow9gy
      @Bear-ow9gy Рік тому +2

      "like anybody could even know that - Kip Dynamite

    • @dompishen
      @dompishen Рік тому

      @@Bear-ow9gy You´ll come around.

  • @MRSXIV
    @MRSXIV 3 місяці тому +35

    RIP Dr. Sugrue…. You provided us with hours upon hours of fascinating lectures & made our lives much more interesting…. A great man.

    • @clubx1000
      @clubx1000 Місяць тому +1

      Sad to hear sad to hear sad to hear

  • @alecunkel1613
    @alecunkel1613 Рік тому +109

    Wooow, the most fascinating talk I’ve ever heard. This guy is absolutely brilliant to give this off the top of his head

    • @iceswallow7717
      @iceswallow7717 Рік тому +2

      0:47 to understand American mentality

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@iceswallow7717That's people in any country

  • @robertfrancisburnier6032
    @robertfrancisburnier6032 Рік тому +76

    I am in awe of the detail, richness, context, clarity, urgency and relevance conveyed by this lecturer from his own memory apparently impromptu. An inspiring introductory lecture to Machiavelli. Regardless of his ultimate personal views, this professor really knows his subject matter.

  • @Luke_Stoltenberg
    @Luke_Stoltenberg Рік тому +121

    The Prince must be one of the oldest books I've read. I read it for no other reason than because I'd heard the author mentioned a great deal and I thought it was worth looking at. It seemed like pretty straightforward and fairly accurate description of power and its consequences. I've come to think that many people think of it as some kind of instruction manual, and I guess it is in a way, whether it is descriptive or prescriptive is one's own choice.
    Knowledge will only accentuate your existing character. It is only dangerous to a dangerous person, either in their hands or in the hands of those who haven't caught on to them

    • @Bear-ow9gy
      @Bear-ow9gy Рік тому +3

      Boring!

    • @WesleyNiman
      @WesleyNiman 10 місяців тому +2

      Character is defined by one's own thoughts and habits. I believe you are referring to personality. Which still doesn't define one's destiny. You must not exclude the impact of personal choice.. for it shapes your destiny.

    • @harrireyes1459
      @harrireyes1459 10 місяців тому

      This bozo is a liberal idiot.

    • @MaxwellJWhite
      @MaxwellJWhite 10 місяців тому +9

      machiavelli was not evil at all... he simply studied those in power and noted which tactics worked or didnt work

    • @Eisenwulf666
      @Eisenwulf666 10 місяців тому +5

      ​@@MaxwellJWhiteThis. People nowadays can't differentiate between an author and his works apparently. He was an experienced politician and a passionate reader of history books. He analyzed the situation in Italy at the time and wrote an instruction manual of sorts, meant for the young Medici. He recognized that Italy was divided in many little states, sometimes even city states, that had little armies or even employed mercenaries. He knew that they wouldn't stand a chance against France, the HRE or even the Ottomans, which were great nations with many resources and a state army. Diplomacy and morals are all nice and cute, but the wolves are at the gates waiting.

  • @TheDeputyDC
    @TheDeputyDC Рік тому +37

    I was waiting for him to say "Mr. Anderson" the whole time. Gave me matrix vibes. Absolutely loved this lecture/talk whatever you wanna call it. Pure awesomeness

    • @nobodynobody4389
      @nobodynobody4389 Рік тому +1

      Good observation made me chuckle

    • @jool5941
      @jool5941 11 місяців тому +2

      Agent Smith would’ve been a huge fan of Machiavelli.

  • @yatingour2595
    @yatingour2595 2 роки тому +41

    Had really wanted a lecture on Machiavelli for so long. Thank you for this!

  • @m.mahdi_BRN
    @m.mahdi_BRN 11 місяців тому +34

    Teaching is an art. What a brilliant teacher. 👏

  • @bingolittle8725
    @bingolittle8725 2 роки тому +2

    I've been looking forward to this. Thanks Dr Sugrue.

  • @AwokenEntertainment
    @AwokenEntertainment Рік тому +28

    have always been curious about Machiavelli's work, this was an incredible dive into these ideas

  • @hamslammula6182
    @hamslammula6182 2 роки тому +14

    Just from the title and thumbnail alone I can already tell that this is going to be the lecture of all lectures

  • @dunkman393
    @dunkman393 Рік тому +14

    Thank you so much for these videos Professor. You enrich our lives.

  • @ryza2859
    @ryza2859 2 роки тому +4

    I love these lectures, thank you

  • @othmanehdidou5640
    @othmanehdidou5640 5 місяців тому +5

    كمية كبيرة من المعلومات حصلت عليها بعد إنتهائي من مشاهدة هذه المحاضرة شكرا أستاذ 👏👏

  • @stevemartinez1360
    @stevemartinez1360 2 роки тому +8

    If this was anyone else, the quality would be an issue. Sugrue… grabbing my popcorn.

  • @sazi2451
    @sazi2451 Рік тому +8

    This lecturer is so bright and so thorough. 😮

  • @neo1559
    @neo1559 2 роки тому +4

    I love these lectures!

  • @adilchaudhry3272
    @adilchaudhry3272 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank you for your work and contributions

  • @zoomx4760
    @zoomx4760 2 роки тому +4

    Just brilliant, thank you.

  • @Growmetheus
    @Growmetheus Рік тому +3

    I have learned so much from several of his talks, but this one is the one that just makes me giggle whenever I think of it. Evil genius.

  • @kevconn441
    @kevconn441 Рік тому +21

    I loved reading The Prince at university. Much better than anything else on the reading list.

  • @EliteBuildingCompany
    @EliteBuildingCompany 2 роки тому +7

    Excellent thinker, telling it how it is not how it ought to be. Fantastic lecture, cheers.

  • @jasonavant7470
    @jasonavant7470 Рік тому +10

    The occasional sound of thunder in the background adds to the atmosphere of such a topic. As a somewhat bored office worker chained to my desk, these lectures are wonderful.

  • @MurrayDsGuitarandBass
    @MurrayDsGuitarandBass 2 роки тому +52

    I’ve been waiting for this one! These lectures are always appreciated

  • @cheri238
    @cheri238 Рік тому +9

    Thank you, sir. always

  • @clovers-zi5fe
    @clovers-zi5fe 2 роки тому +6

    I've been salivating waiting for this lecture.

  • @yellowquantum4240
    @yellowquantum4240 Рік тому +161

    I read the Prince as a teenager, really cool as a mature man to hear this again.
    Human nature is like a bag of snakes , not all are poisonous most are!!

    • @SamServ-ht4re
      @SamServ-ht4re Рік тому +5

      This is a great quote ima use “human nature is like a bag of snakes not all are poisonous most are “

    • @TheOceanBearer
      @TheOceanBearer Рік тому

      I think human nature is more like a magic box in which you never know what will come out when you open it. Sometimes poisonous snakes, sometimes apes in heat, sometimes parents arguing fervently and stubbornly, sometimes someone giving their life to save a complete stranger's, sometimes unnameable and alien yet closer and more familiar than home. Human nature is a kind of bestial magic. Once you think you have made sense of it, it will throw you for another loop.

    • @Bear-ow9gy
      @Bear-ow9gy Рік тому +6

      ​@@SamServ-ht4re this is a great quote I'ma use "this is a great quote I'ma use human nature is like a bag"

    • @erikdegby4652
      @erikdegby4652 Рік тому +7

      It's really No such thing as Human nature, everything is learned behavior.

    • @yellowquantum4240
      @yellowquantum4240 Рік тому +5

      @@erikdegby4652 betrayal, hate, abandonment human nature.
      Love , and love again no matter what ...human.

  • @frankbongio
    @frankbongio 2 роки тому +5

    Dr. Sugrue is spoiling us

  • @innatecharisma
    @innatecharisma 2 роки тому +3

    More gems and knowledge. Thank you sir.

  • @kirandeepkaur8082
    @kirandeepkaur8082 26 днів тому

    RIP DR.
    Torn by this news . Thank you for your beautiful contributions . May you rest in paradise.

  • @kunalgupta339
    @kunalgupta339 Рік тому +141

    Great teacher..he explains the philosophy with so much interest and in simple terms that it is never boring...really a genius.

    • @SwitzerlandEducation4471
      @SwitzerlandEducation4471 Рік тому

      Just follow me for education purpose

    • @Bear-ow9gy
      @Bear-ow9gy Рік тому +2

      ​@@SwitzerlandEducation4471 learn to write properly first.

    • @SwitzerlandEducation4471
      @SwitzerlandEducation4471 Рік тому +1

      @@Bear-ow9gy sorry how you teach me?

    • @johnmanole4779
      @johnmanole4779 Рік тому +1

      ​@@SwitzerlandEducation4471 you high my guy? 😂

    • @jool5941
      @jool5941 11 місяців тому +3

      @grandmasterkhaan5661 me learn good Brain go big

  • @yourchildhooddog
    @yourchildhooddog 7 місяців тому +6

    Michael, if you’re reading this I just want you to know that your presentation here and this video have impacted me so much and helped me grow out of a lot of bad habits that were instilled in me when I was young . You’ve been a great role model in my adult life and I think about your words, your invaluable insights and your lectures almost every day ❤ Thank you again

  • @HardWhiteChocalate
    @HardWhiteChocalate Рік тому +2

    incredible lecture, thank you for upload

  • @maxrubio4246
    @maxrubio4246 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you Dr Sugrue

  • @AndrewShingange
    @AndrewShingange 7 місяців тому +33

    This man's handle on the English language is intimidating. He speaks so effortlessly, it's aaaaaaaMAZING

    • @eman85mph
      @eman85mph 3 місяці тому

      Easier to listen to and grasp than even Alan Watts 👂 ❤

  • @AmethysTuesday
    @AmethysTuesday Рік тому +4

    What a great speaker 🙏

  • @wafaanoureddine2542
    @wafaanoureddine2542 2 роки тому +1

    Unbelievably great thanks 🙏

  • @lbits
    @lbits Рік тому

    Thank you for sharing. This was so digestible.

  • @bosshog5335
    @bosshog5335 2 роки тому +3

    i've been waiting for this!!!!!!!! I'm so excited!!!

  • @guyvanburen
    @guyvanburen 2 роки тому +4

    thank you for uploading this

  • @demonicark2687
    @demonicark2687 10 місяців тому +2

    Absolutely precise and easy to understand!
    This lecture has given much more wider perspective to my study.
    Thanks for the wonderful lecture🎉♥️

  • @CatMoonErickson
    @CatMoonErickson 5 місяців тому

    FANTASTIC Lecture!

  • @raymondsamo9808
    @raymondsamo9808 2 роки тому +76

    When you thought there were no more lectures

    • @chaosdweller
      @chaosdweller Рік тому

      🤔............ haha! (telling myself my own inside jokes again that I normally do on YT that I don't always explain I'm doing like here that may not have anything to do with u haha).

  • @sagarpatel6841
    @sagarpatel6841 2 роки тому +34

    Thank you , seriously he teaches so well.

    • @tubthump
      @tubthump 11 місяців тому

      He walks around too much

  • @ivanpb1983
    @ivanpb1983 2 роки тому +1

    This was so good, that I had to rewinded to watch it again.

  • @skyfathersound
    @skyfathersound 2 роки тому +5

    When those violins hit you better be ready to kneel. Sugrue on Machiavelli! This one is going to be glorious

  • @localvideos3668
    @localvideos3668 5 місяців тому +10

    This man makes Philosophy edible. Any time i sit to listen to his lectures, it's like mealtime. The appetite to eat the intellectual food he serves is so deep. Thanks for being a teacher.

  • @user-qk8tm5xx4d
    @user-qk8tm5xx4d Рік тому +1

    Discovered Dr Michael Sugrue's content way too late.
    Incredible.

  • @mahendarsoni2079
    @mahendarsoni2079 3 місяці тому +1

    Hands down the best form of articulation i have ever seen. Me who struggles to watch a 10min youtube video just watched this 40min video with full attention.
    Loved the way you just explained everything ❤

  • @KenshoBeats
    @KenshoBeats 2 роки тому +10

    Another new (old) one! Saved in my playlist. On Saturday morning I will take a coffee and sit in the garden to listen to Sugrue, looking forward, thank you!

  • @Aeon490
    @Aeon490 2 роки тому +3

    I think I heard in one of the Q&A's that this lecture was winged last minute. Pretty good for that.

  • @Levelupliv
    @Levelupliv Рік тому

    Awed by Dr surgrue's brilliance.

  • @thedjruiner
    @thedjruiner 13 днів тому

    I would have loved school if there was a teacher lke this. Captivating start to finish.

  • @mercedes932
    @mercedes932 2 роки тому +12

    Ahh the famous lecture - Sugrue ad-libbed it on the spot when the prof who was supposed to present suffered from stage fright.

  • @LasArmas_
    @LasArmas_ 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you & Happy MayDay

  • @rhrh9128
    @rhrh9128 6 місяців тому +1

    He was FABULOUS. Wonderful thinker and speaker. Broad mind. Great listening.Time flew.

    • @wicomms
      @wicomms 6 місяців тому

      Was? IS!

  • @EyeLean5280
    @EyeLean5280 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks very much for this.

  • @zigo9284
    @zigo9284 Рік тому +1432

    Great lecture about 2Pac, thanks❤️

    • @tshepomosia7129
      @tshepomosia7129 Рік тому +29

      Lol

    • @FishyBlobbing
      @FishyBlobbing Рік тому

      makaveli up this bitch ;D

    • @frankiegunnz8066
      @frankiegunnz8066 Рік тому +78

      No no, 2pac wanted to be him. 😋

    • @MAGHANDI3265
      @MAGHANDI3265 Рік тому +3

      😂

    • @thato4639
      @thato4639 Рік тому +17

      ​@@frankiegunnz8066 he just used his story( about faking death) as a concept creatively also with jesus, clever

  • @Ionic457
    @Ionic457 Рік тому +53

    Ugh. These lectures are changing my life. Can’t thank you enough for sharing your knowledge with the world.

  • @interesting2491
    @interesting2491 Рік тому

    Great speaker - such an easy listen 👍

  • @jDaniel5721
    @jDaniel5721 11 днів тому +1

    That was an amazing lecture 👏

  • @cathairpatrick6341
    @cathairpatrick6341 Рік тому +24

    This fella doesn't get Italy in the middle ages. Machiavelli cast a cold, detached eye on human nature. Everything he describes informs out reality today. Machiavelli isn't evil, he's unapologetically analytical and honest.

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j 11 місяців тому +2

      Yes, an honest work such as The Prince must be countered with relevant arguments on basis of power and realism, not run-of-the-mill moralism

    • @jool5941
      @jool5941 11 місяців тому +2

      Yes. He speaks like politicians used to be good when they had their religion to dictate morals but he fails to acknowledge all of the horrible atrocities committed in the name of religion.

    • @jool5941
      @jool5941 11 місяців тому

      I still admire his view point though. It was a very interesting lecture.

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j 11 місяців тому +1

      It is fair if you want to criticize Machiavelli on a moral basis for his lack of moral considerations, but since the Prince is ultimately about realistically maintaining power you must extend your analysis further than that

  • @crypticTV
    @crypticTV Рік тому +144

    8:50 worked for medeci family
    1:40 Attainment of political power
    4:20 Justice is from coercion.
    6:24 Donald Trump - Art of the Deal
    7:00 Religious morality
    7:50 Joseph Stalin's favourite book
    9:30
    10:20 Medici prince flattery
    11:10 Love is nice but fear is predictable
    13:20 Wolf
    17:30 The Lion and the fox
    18:50 Military head over town
    29:00 Freud
    33:00 Rulers and people like sheep herders and sheep
    33:30 Odysseus
    35:30 Plato's cave
    36:45 Those who have not sinned cast first stone

  • @AlexIsUber
    @AlexIsUber 3 місяці тому +2

    RIP Legendary lecturer

  • @ok-kk3ic
    @ok-kk3ic 2 роки тому +4

    Ive been waiting for this one

  • @ichbindoofhihi1
    @ichbindoofhihi1 2 роки тому +6

    oh my god I was searching for lectures from Dr Sugrue about Machiavelli, this is great!

  • @templephantom6613
    @templephantom6613 2 роки тому +4

    Amazing lectures!

  • @gamer-cn5ho
    @gamer-cn5ho Рік тому +1

    Wow this was simple yet amazing

  • @jians.2464
    @jians.2464 8 місяців тому +1

    these retro lectures are better than anything on the internet today

  • @Ryan-fv5ve
    @Ryan-fv5ve Рік тому +7

    What a video, even more impressive when you learn that this was improvised. It takes a deep understanding to be able to coherently and informatively speak on a topic for near an hour.

  • @jmhaugen4757
    @jmhaugen4757 2 роки тому +209

    I normally enjoy Dr. Sugrue's lectures, but this one was clearly a surface-level examination of Machiavelli. While "The Prince" is everything Sugrue said it is, the author was anything BUT a "prince" as he depicted it. Machiavelli wrote poetry and screenplays. The height of his political career was a foreign emissary-type post that let Machiavelli travel across Italy and Europe. He also didn't retire; he was exiled after being tortured by the faction that ousted the Medici for a time. And most damning to the lecture's assertion is the fact that Machiavelli was a great fan of the republican form of government. Even in "The Prince", Machiavelli says that tyranny is only a stepping stone to a better system.
    And nowhere in "The Prince" does Machiavelli assert that EVERYONE should act like a tyrant.

    • @OmnomnomPancake
      @OmnomnomPancake 2 роки тому +16

      Exile is forced retirement, no?

    • @Nikkola.369
      @Nikkola.369 2 роки тому +32

      From what I've learned the book wasn't even popular until after Machiavelli's death. Dr. Sugrue's analysis on this book does seem 101 for people who don't know anything about the book, nonetheless he's an excellent speaker!!

    • @opiliones4202
      @opiliones4202 2 роки тому +1

      @@OmnomnomPancake machiavelli continued to write and create after his exile tho

    • @dwl3006
      @dwl3006 2 роки тому +6

      I am pretty sure that Machiavelli was tortured by the Medicis not the Florentines.

    • @evgeniptolemy5570
      @evgeniptolemy5570 2 роки тому +45

      The surface level analysis of this subject is due to the fact the scheduled speaker had an episode of some sort and Dr. Sugrue filled in last minute. Still enjoyable.

  • @tigerstriker
    @tigerstriker Рік тому

    Brilliant lecture..thank you

  • @thomasjeffersonscott
    @thomasjeffersonscott 5 місяців тому

    Dope lecture, thanks for uploading!

  • @chadklasens4927
    @chadklasens4927 Рік тому +10

    Half way into this, and wow! What an insightful and elucidating lecture so far. Bravo.

  • @raymondcoronarubalcabaiii5975
    @raymondcoronarubalcabaiii5975 11 місяців тому +6

    I'm very proud of you. Hopefully that means something. 😘

  • @shockbroker
    @shockbroker Рік тому +2

    Amazing content. Worth watching despite the sound/image quality!

  • @natarajrangayana
    @natarajrangayana Рік тому +1

    Great !
    Like it so much
    Full wisdom and realistic content!

  • @andrewbowen2837
    @andrewbowen2837 2 роки тому +55

    One of the more important points made in the book that was not commented on in the video lecture is the control of fortune. Fortune, meaning chance, is something known since the ancients as limiting on what the good citizen and the good regime are. By chance, you are either born in a time where you can be both a good citizen and a good person (by way of being born into the good regime), or not. For Machiavelli, he notes that by chance, he was not born into an opportunity where he could ascend to political power, nor would his ideas take root. Think of the messenger from Nietzsche's thought, who came preaching into the town square, only to be laughed at and realize that he had been sent by fortune too early. So Machiavelli instead proposes that fortune, as impactful as it is in politics, should be limited and controlled by man, beaten into submission. This way, every regime would be the "good" regime. This very notion was put into practice by Modernism, where the goal of establishing a utopia, a heaven on earth, and removing chance from the equation by lowering the basis of the regime away from metaphysics and the good, something high, became the project.
    For this reason, I would disagree ever so slightly with Dr. Sugrue about Machiavelli's view of nature. Regarding human nature, there is no disagreement; but nature writ large, Machiavelli wanted to control it. Thus, we have the Enlightenment, and science becomes the ultimate tool of controlling nature, and politics the satisfaction of the most basic of human desires

    • @camorinbatchelder6514
      @camorinbatchelder6514 2 роки тому +6

      I would say Machiavelli is domain-specific. He wasn’t a philosopher of human nature writ large, but rather human behavior in the political, existential realm.

    • @andrewbowen2837
      @andrewbowen2837 2 роки тому +2

      @@camorinbatchelder6514 I see what you mean, but back then, I don't think the two were differentiated. Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau all used human nature as their baseline to make political assessments

    • @camorinbatchelder6514
      @camorinbatchelder6514 2 роки тому +3

      @@andrewbowen2837 I haven’t read “Leviathan”, the “Treaties”, etc. that closely, so I can’t comment on them. Machiavelli wasn’t as philosophical as Sugrue makes him out to be. He simply looked at political behavior as it was, not how it should be.

    • @andrewbowen2837
      @andrewbowen2837 2 роки тому +2

      @@camorinbatchelder6514 Dr. Sugrue doesn't really get into the details of the book unfortunately. He pretty much claims that it is horrible and would have dire consequences if implemented. That being said, I think there is a good bit of both "is" and "ought" in politics being described. Machiavelli notes that Italy is in a bad place, and he thinks the most successful leader should model themselves after the actions of Cesare Borgia, and not like some of those who caved in to the church and moral sentiments. At the least he thought that Italy was in need of what he viewed to be a clever and unrelenting leader, with good examples from history (thus in some regard detailing how politics are/were), and he didn't think the younger Lorenzo Medici was capable

    • @camorinbatchelder6514
      @camorinbatchelder6514 2 роки тому +1

      @@andrewbowen2837 Machiavelli certainly had a vision, I agree.

  • @forty2888
    @forty2888 Рік тому +3

    This is Human Art! Thank you for teaching Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @accidentalpatient4152
    @accidentalpatient4152 4 місяці тому

    RIP Michael, such a great engaging human professor

  • @DarrellJamal
    @DarrellJamal Рік тому

    We love you Mr. Sugrue.

  • @deforeestwright2469
    @deforeestwright2469 Рік тому +24

    This is a somewhat cartoonish description of Machiavelli. Even on a lone reading of the Prince, Machiavelli comes off as a witty proto-utilitarian and moderate nationalist, not as an amoral political climber. I am not quite in the camp that interprets The Prince as entirely sarcastic, but Machiavelli definitely has a dry and occasionally hyperbolic sense of humor. I have read all of Machi’s Art of War, the Prince, and about a third of the Discourses on Livy, and he was more concerned with the common good even in The Prince than most give him credit for. Painting this caricature of him is a mild to moderate disservice to The Prince, and a major disservice Machiavelli himself.

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j 11 місяців тому +3

      The role of The Prince and the expanded Machiavellian worldview is in outlining a realist view of power and pragmatism in regards to political governance. The important insight is that the powerful are guardians of their own authority, and directly responsible in case of their downfall

  • @14nst3w4rt
    @14nst3w4rt 2 роки тому +3

    Michael Sugrue is a top top lecturer - knows the material without referring to notes. Top class! Chapeau!

    • @arjunabeuger
      @arjunabeuger Рік тому +1

      Unfortunately, his depiction of Machiavelli’s character isn’t accurate at all. Supposedly, Machiavelli wasn’t this bloodthirsty, powerhungry “wolf”, as he is characterized by Sugrue. Good lecturer with a poor understanding of Machiavelli. But since it was improvised, I’d cut him some slack.

  • @kellyannpage1469
    @kellyannpage1469 11 місяців тому

    Thankyu. Gonna follow yu .. a true educator .. entertains and informs .. yu do both

  • @eyobzewdie9305
    @eyobzewdie9305 Рік тому

    Incredible mind. Pls keep Up the good job.

  • @1x0x
    @1x0x Рік тому +4

    has nothing to do with being good or bad, he simply speaks the truth of gaining power

  • @shyamalchowdhury7088
    @shyamalchowdhury7088 6 місяців тому +3

    I would like to hear more philosophy lectures like this from you, entirely from memory.

  • @user-dk1no6sm4n
    @user-dk1no6sm4n Рік тому

    thanks for uploading! very interesting subject

  • @ericgroupe6383
    @ericgroupe6383 Рік тому +1

    Would you please consider doing a series of lectures on machiavelli's discourses on the the first decade of Livy's history please love your work

  • @dredcaulfield9028
    @dredcaulfield9028 2 роки тому +8

    Been wishing he'd do machiavelli! Sweet.

  • @adriansamsonhiluf7653
    @adriansamsonhiluf7653 Рік тому +7

    "Machiavelli was not really Machiavellian." Is the recurring pattern. He shortly wrote The prince after being released from where he underwent torture. That might explain his state of mind when he wrote that book. Its not that he was trying to suck up to the Medici while they were trying to avoid being seen as taking his advice but that the Florence court had already been practicing principles found in his book, whether conciously or unconsciously. Back then City states would create feeble alliances while at the same time plan on how to betray you six ways to Sunday. I see how his kind gesture to the Medici might have been seen as suspicious right after they came back to power.

  • @OneOneThree-wl7ml
    @OneOneThree-wl7ml 10 місяців тому

    Beautifully said

  • @SolidRollin
    @SolidRollin 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you.

  • @alloftheabove143
    @alloftheabove143 Рік тому +14

    in my youth i was interested in science
    2 decades later im exploring philosophy