What if the Muslims won the 718 siege of Constantinople?

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  • If the Muslims won the 718 siege of Constantinople the Italians would be Muslim and the Pope would be in England. Turkey would be Slavic and the Germans would win World War 1.

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  • @rekoken2911
    @rekoken2911 3 роки тому +467

    when you realize the 718 siege of Constantinople was the inspiration for the siege of king's landing in game of thrones

    • @boyishmallard9404
      @boyishmallard9404 3 роки тому +2

      @River Finnley @Joseph Raphael reported

    • @Umamaahoe
      @Umamaahoe 3 роки тому

      @@boyishmallard9404 fuck

    • @007leet
      @007leet 3 роки тому +1

      Dubrovnik actually

    • @rekoken2911
      @rekoken2911 3 роки тому +6

      @@007leet yeah it was filmed there but the siege itself was inspired by the siege of Constantinople 718

    • @mijanhoque1740
      @mijanhoque1740 2 роки тому

      Really? I would have the thought the 4th crusade siege was the inspiration for it

  • @mp6471
    @mp6471 6 років тому +428

    Islam wasn't originally the religion of nomadic bedouin. Islam was the religion of settled Arabic merchants, prophet Muhammad being one of them. Even these days, bedouins are considered bad muslims.
    And to add something most people don't know, arabs of hijaz became really aware of Byazntium and Sassanid's power and richness only because commercial routes which once passed through Mesopotamia and Syria now had to pass through Arabia in order to get to Constantinople from India. So, merchants are the heart of Islam.

    • @peterterranova160
      @peterterranova160 5 років тому +67

      If it was a merchant religion (which I agree), it's an important note to make that nomadic people usually convert to the religion of who they conquered, such as the Mongols later on.
      However, Muslim cities were centers of trade, being between Europe and the East.

    • @mobeenkhan824
      @mobeenkhan824 3 роки тому +2

      iVulkan_
      ?

    • @hadi8699
      @hadi8699 3 роки тому +5

      @iVulkan_ you don't make sense

    • @azimy9388
      @azimy9388 3 роки тому

      @iVulkan_ 100iq. You must be a genius 💯

    • @asifurrahman5014
      @asifurrahman5014 3 роки тому

      @iVulkan_ small pp

  • @LuminantLion
    @LuminantLion 6 років тому +535

    *cough* The Greek Fire wasn't a flamethrower, it was fire that burnt on water.

    • @joshuaredwan7606
      @joshuaredwan7606 5 років тому +72

      What would u call something that threw fire

    • @ravenknight4876
      @ravenknight4876 5 років тому +43

      It's theorized to have been something similiar to napalm. And they had a device to 'shoot' it over long distances.

    • @craezee247
      @craezee247 5 років тому +18

      @Adi Adiani if the pig eaters of Russia or Europe or America start to get tired of your muslim bullshit (wich they kinda do lately) you're gonna have a really really hard time

    • @josephcardwell24
      @josephcardwell24 5 років тому +10

      I am a white European pig eater and while I do not stand by adi’s views I cannot accept the white ones either. How can anybody allow anyone to call someone a Muslim degenerate or tell them their entire race is just a plaything to us. Maybe Turkic are not the majority but that does not mean their culture is not a majority.

    • @john7217
      @john7217 5 років тому

      @@josephcardwell24 How do you know everyone here is white?

  • @kyllianmasson4830
    @kyllianmasson4830 7 років тому +310

    Says "look at all the ocean", shows the Adriatic sea and the mediterranean sea.

    • @lilyongmoney5903
      @lilyongmoney5903 3 роки тому +7

      That’s the ocean to the romans

    • @YoungOddo
      @YoungOddo 3 роки тому +11

      @@lilyongmoney5903 The Mediterranean was the world to them. Mare Nostrvm

    • @sadiqahmed4143
      @sadiqahmed4143 2 роки тому

      @@YoungOddo Mare nostrum means
      Our sea
      So no

    • @YoungOddo
      @YoungOddo 2 роки тому

      @@sadiqahmed4143 Yes. Mare Nostrvm

  • @southparkundersecretwisdom3230
    @southparkundersecretwisdom3230 6 років тому +358

    well, Bulgars did convert to Islam. They're called Tatars of Kazan. The Bulgars that settled in Balkans became Christian, known today as Bulgarians and Macedonians

    • @tincan6747
      @tincan6747 6 років тому +7

      don't forget the chuvash

    • @KRYPTIA-mp4ol
      @KRYPTIA-mp4ol 6 років тому +78

      The "macedonians" you are referring to are not real macedonians of course. They are a mix of bulgarians, slavs and Greeks. The real macedonians, the ancient macedonians were a Greek tribe

    • @---jx2tg
      @---jx2tg 6 років тому +8

      Macedonians????

    • @---jx2tg
      @---jx2tg 6 років тому +7

      kryptia b you re right

    • @ekn_38
      @ekn_38 6 років тому +11

      Actually Bulgarian Bulgars are Turks which intermarried with Slavic people and therefore lost their language.

  • @fairextl
    @fairextl 3 роки тому +199

    The Volga Bulgars which were a regional power in the north, attempted to convert the Kiev Rus to Islam, but their leader Vladimir I rejected, because he considered wine the joy of their lives, and wine was banned under Islam. Considering how much stronger Islam would be in this timeline, I'd bet he would be a lot more open to conversion.

    • @AhmadAbdelaal--
      @AhmadAbdelaal-- 3 роки тому +46

      agree,
      actually not just the wine, he sent emissaries for the kingdoms around him to know "which religion has happier subjects"
      and it happened that the catholic emissaries have gone to eastern Europe, the muslims were in the volga river bulgars but the orthodox sent to Constantinople and being the richest and most developed around the options of course they found the people there happier ,
      also there was some pragmatic trade relations so if Constantinople was Muslim the russians would just become Muslim too

    • @belyen6330
      @belyen6330 3 роки тому +12

      @@AhmadAbdelaal--not only for money but because the orthodox christianity is the truth

    • @Aresydatch
      @Aresydatch 3 роки тому +5

      @@belyen6330 you won’t to know the truth until your body enters the grave

    • @afdalridwan3813
      @afdalridwan3813 3 роки тому

      @@belyen6330 you know the truth till your body down to grave

    • @anotherguycalled6253
      @anotherguycalled6253 3 роки тому +5

      @@belyen6330 Pls don’t get religion involved as a Muslim I see Orthodox Christianity as the true Christianity

  • @283vic
    @283vic 6 років тому +181

    Are you speaking into a paper bag , or did you drop your microphon into a bucket of water.

    • @sqwong3947
      @sqwong3947 5 років тому +3

      AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA SO TRUE LOL WHATIFFALTIST NEEDS A BETTER MIC LOL

    • @rdelrosso2001
      @rdelrosso2001 4 роки тому +10

      Steven:
      Yes, it seems "WHAT IF ALT IST" has a "Nasal" problem. But I like and enjoy Alternative History, so I overlook the Nasal thing. Maybe it's a problem he can't fix.

    • @cxarhomell5867
      @cxarhomell5867 4 роки тому +4

      @@sqwong3947 But you can still hear him.

  • @mihailnikoloff2554
    @mihailnikoloff2554 6 років тому +228

    Bulgariana defeated the arabs on land, the Byzantines defeated them on sea.

    • @brandonselitetv1436
      @brandonselitetv1436 5 років тому +8

      Well there was Arabs within the Ottoman Empire.

    • @ambermoonlight5371
      @ambermoonlight5371 5 років тому +43

      The Ottomans were not even a formed state by the point in history so why do you feel the need to mention them. The Umayyad Caliphate (Arab) were defeated by the combined forces of the Bulgars and Byzantine.

    • @frenchmasterrace574
      @frenchmasterrace574 5 років тому +17

      Yankı Kıran
      Youre a damn idiot dude.He was talking about 718.The siege was lifted by Bulgarian Khan Tervel who broke the lines of the tired besiegers.

    • @rudi8192
      @rudi8192 5 років тому +6

      Bulgarian didn't fight a single battle against arabs (maybe only some well paid bulgar mercenaries fighting for byzantine empire), They were only profiting on the situation by capturing byzantine land that they couldn't defend at the moment. So they were weakening the byzantine empire.

    • @affentaktik2810
      @affentaktik2810 5 років тому +5

      Rudi they killed the whole attack singlehandly in 705 and killed 45k arabs in the siege of 717/718 while byzantines „only“ killed 30k and destroyed the arab navy after the battle bulgaria kicked their ass and almost took control of the whole balkans

  • @martainroth2588
    @martainroth2588 3 роки тому +17

    Since Rome was the seat of Catholicism for 400 years there would always be the drive to take it back, so the Crusades of 1100 would be to take back Rome instead of Jerusalem, being much closer they would have been able to hold it.

    • @CrescentCrusader99
      @CrescentCrusader99 Місяць тому +1

      But this would have happened before Charlemagne united the Germanic tribes as one nation. The Pope is in Canterbury at this point so he would have tried to conquer Britain more so than Italia.

  • @najabs123
    @najabs123 6 років тому +48

    Wow an actually informative video that is unbiased

  • @DigiDigiDigiDigi
    @DigiDigiDigiDigi 7 років тому +402

    Simple answer: Islamic Europe

    • @Deguu68
      @Deguu68 7 років тому +54

      GoldenHawk
      Northern Europe was pagan until the 11th century.

    • @mongolicious7858
      @mongolicious7858 6 років тому +21

      I’m about 15-20 years this will be a reality

    • @BALLARDTWIN
      @BALLARDTWIN 6 років тому +34

      Dank Dan1
      No it won't you daft fear mongering shit
      In 15-20 years Syria will be rebuilt and beautiful
      Iraq will be beautiful
      Practically every refugee would have gone back home and rebuilt there lives
      Things would have settled down in the Middle East
      And who knows South America would probably become the hotspot of world politics and war again
      Or maybe Eastern Europe with rising tensions between NATO and Russia's future massive and powerful army
      You never fucking know what will happen

    • @mongolicious7858
      @mongolicious7858 6 років тому +25

      Lord Slashington III “Practically every refugee would have gone home” Okay, that “refugee” from Somalia will go home when Syria is rebuilt. They aren’t fleeing prosecution they are coming for the benefits of living in the west and they are bringing their shitty religion With them. Islam needs a peaceful reform or it needs to be destroyed entirely.

    • @BALLARDTWIN
      @BALLARDTWIN 6 років тому +18

      Dank Dan1
      Your ignorance is hurting my mind
      Muslims will never change their religion just so they can appease whining westerners like you
      Once again
      Somalia has improved so fucking much in the last decade it's unbelievable
      It's still a little dangerous but not as dangerous as it was in the 90s
      Isis is almost defeated in Somalia
      And why the fuck do you generalise
      Why are you assuming every single somali that comes to Europe is taking benefits
      Ironically, I am somali and my dad runs a restaurant in the UK
      I also work part time there cause am studying in University
      Every uncle of mine is either self employed or employed
      This fucking assumption that every immigrant that comes just comes for the benefits needs to die
      Immigrants in the UK are 10x more hardworking then the general populace and that's a fact
      They appreciate the opportunity they have been given
      Almost every chippy shop is run by an Indian or Pakistani
      Don't assume stupid shit like that

  • @user-hl7bw8yw7n
    @user-hl7bw8yw7n 5 років тому +131

    Hey!!! The fact that the Byzantine empire managed to win the war with the arabs in the first place was all thanks to the Bulgars. The Byzantines were losing, Constantinopole was almost down, and then the Byzantine emperor Leo III asked the Bulgarian khan Tervel for help. He sent 5000 warriors on the battlefield and thus they helped to win over the arabs.

    • @hubazubax
      @hubazubax 3 роки тому +1

      Константин Георгиев ok...

    • @itsjohnathan9433
      @itsjohnathan9433 3 роки тому +14

      Most of the battle was at sea not at ground 5000 warriors did not change the battle

    • @eternal_riftz8801
      @eternal_riftz8801 3 роки тому +7

      TBH the arabs would still lose 15000 is nothing

    • @politianospolitis862
      @politianospolitis862 3 роки тому +22

      certainly the Bulgar's helped by cutting Arab land supply. However saying that thanks to them the Roman's manage to save their capital is just not true my friend.

    • @Reinhard_Erlik
      @Reinhard_Erlik 3 роки тому

      Well the byzantine empire lost the first war against muslims

  • @user-py5gc5dn7t
    @user-py5gc5dn7t 7 років тому +100

    the one who saved Konstantinople in 718 was the Bulgaria ruler Tervel

    • @masterarthius8752
      @masterarthius8752 6 років тому +1

      Виждам те навсякъде.

    • @user-py5gc5dn7t
      @user-py5gc5dn7t 6 років тому

      KILLimanjaro Unfriggenbelievable защото съм навсякъде

    • @KRYPTIA-mp4ol
      @KRYPTIA-mp4ol 6 років тому +1

      Lol

    • @ibrahimyilmaz4861
      @ibrahimyilmaz4861 6 років тому +7

      imagine him collapsing and so the Arabs conquering the Byzantine Empire. Just one little action and the whole History would completely different

    • @user-hl7bw8yw7n
      @user-hl7bw8yw7n 5 років тому +1

      Точно....

  • @meneither3834
    @meneither3834 3 роки тому +23

    Removing the Mediterranean does not remove the Roman culture as England, Austria and France already had Latin culture deeply ingrained (especially France.) And they had a massive impact on Western Civilization.
    (I also realosed you keep northern Italy in, so yeah latin culture is definitely still around.)

    • @mohpolitics22
      @mohpolitics22 2 роки тому +5

      yea but it would be much less influential, as Gaul was not as roman and latin as Spain and Italy were. There would still be a roman aspect but it would be weak and overpowered by the Germanic

    • @spear1504
      @spear1504 Місяць тому

      Romance cultures in this timeline would be very small England, France and Austria would be the last bastion of Latin culture worst. That Kingdom of Asturias would have a been chance be wipe out or in defensive for they survival from ummayed caliphate

    • @meneither3834
      @meneither3834 Місяць тому

      @@spear1504 Northern Italy and France were in our timeline the bastion of latin culture in the middle ages. Although latin culture is weakened in this timeline, it is not by much.

    • @spear1504
      @spear1504 Місяць тому

      @@meneither3834 true

  • @muhsin001
    @muhsin001 5 років тому +28

    wow - i want to learn more about Islam

    • @hishamalaker491
      @hishamalaker491 Рік тому

      I am Muslim Arab if you want add me on a call or something i can tell you some stuff or go to this link its the entire Quran in Arabic-English translation and some UA-cam links to Videos about Islam

  • @LuminantLion
    @LuminantLion 6 років тому +82

    Turks didn't conquer all of Anatolia with one blow, it was a long process because of the Byzantine Empire.

    • @BALLARDTWIN
      @BALLARDTWIN 6 років тому +25

      Furkan Cebeci
      And because of
      The timurids
      Safavids
      And themselves
      They had a massive civil war for the thrown that almost crippled them
      Byzantium hardly made a threat to them
      As soon as they got their shit together
      They annihilated Byzantium

    • @KRYPTIA-mp4ol
      @KRYPTIA-mp4ol 6 років тому +16

      +Lord Slashington III
      Byzantine empire had many civil wars during that time and at the same time we had to fight many invaders from European north and west and from Asia...
      Furthermore Constantinople had been sacked by the Crusaders...
      If the turks dared to invade, lets say, 250 years earlier, we would have crushed them easily.
      Remember that Byzantine empire had 27 million population while the turks were just 400000...
      And thats why the majority of modern "turks" dont look mongoloid like the medieval turks. Because they are not real turks. They are Greeks, armenians, assyrians and descendants of all the nations who had Jannisaries...

    • @onee
      @onee 6 років тому +1

      Furkan Cebeci Mainly also because of internal power struggles. Just Google "Ottoman Interregnum". Or the Sultans who were poisoned or taken off the trone.

    • @aegonii8471
      @aegonii8471 6 років тому +2

      Yes they did search up Battle of Manzikert.

    • @ibrahimyilmaz4861
      @ibrahimyilmaz4861 6 років тому

      I'm sure in that timeline the Ottoman Empire would still rise. With the new strengt of the Muslims they perhaps wouldn't even fall and all Turks would live in an united Ottoman Empire. That's what humans should dream of, isn't it.

  • @iliyantrifonov9141
    @iliyantrifonov9141 5 років тому +24

    Bulgars were conquered by the ottoman empire for 500 years and still didn't covert to islam 6:23

    • @farenhite4329
      @farenhite4329 5 років тому +10

      Same for Spain, which was a taken by the caliphate.

    • @krasimirastoyanova991
      @krasimirastoyanova991 4 роки тому

      Whatta shit Bulgaria is not Bulgaristan idiot

    • @yazovgaming
      @yazovgaming 3 роки тому

      @Lari Muzzarelli stfu they did

    • @emrebayram1778
      @emrebayram1778 3 роки тому

      @Lari Muzzarelli wtf

    • @23Magister23
      @23Magister23 3 роки тому +11

      @Gregory Johnson Spain at the time was like Italy; There was no "Spanish" identity although there was a vague Germanic identity. It would be a major stretch to claim there was a cultural genocide of a foreign culture that was relatively new to the region. Muslim Spain adopted a lot of aspects from Arabic culture and society because Islam gave them this missing identity. The reason we don't see them today is the level of brutality of the Spanish Inquisition.

  • @LordWyatt
    @LordWyatt 3 роки тому +23

    8:00 The picture of Italy looks like a Islamic Pope lol

    • @naruck15
      @naruck15 3 роки тому

      The pope would flee to Cologne or Milan

  • @bigjavo36
    @bigjavo36 7 років тому +27

    No Italy is bordered on the east coast by the Adriatic Sea.
    The waters between the Italian and Balkan Peninsula is the Adriatic Sea. Just like the water between the Greece and turkey is the Aegean Sea.

    • @darthmortus5702
      @darthmortus5702 7 років тому +9

      Right but all of those are totally open to the Mediterranean and are basically just glorified bits of it.

    • @bigjavo36
      @bigjavo36 7 років тому +1

      Darth Mortus you can say that about every ocean as well is the Indian Ocean just a glorified bit of the Pacific Ocean too? Is the Caribbean Sea just a glorified bit of the Atlantic Ocean?

    • @darthmortus5702
      @darthmortus5702 7 років тому +5

      Yes on the latter, and kinda yes on the former? I mean all non-inland seas are intereconnected and part of our global ocean. Plus people who discovered/named seas were way overzealous. if your "sea" is less than 70% enclosed by land then might as well just leave it a part of the nearest ocean.

    • @hassanbassim4007
      @hassanbassim4007 6 років тому +1

      The Muslim did took most of south of Italy for 400 hundred years before the Normans come and invaded it .

    • @michaellewis8849
      @michaellewis8849 5 років тому +2

      The Mediterranean is made of many inland seas...

  • @tetrafly9736
    @tetrafly9736 6 років тому +43

    Russia would have probably converted to Islam in this timeline because the reason the Rus converted to Christianity irl is because they were impressed by how the Byzantines ran their empire. and because the byzantines wouldnt be able to give the Rus inspiration they wpuld look to the muslims for more guidance

    • @wildfire9280
      @wildfire9280 6 років тому +15

      It was because Islam didn't allow alcohol and you know how Russians love their vodka...

    • @razvan7544
      @razvan7544 5 років тому +1

      No chance

    • @jaydienparks5658
      @jaydienparks5658 5 років тому +1

      God's Soldier yeah no alcohol

    • @dunerh
      @dunerh 5 років тому +3

      no, it was because of the nobility didnt want to give up alchohal

    • @k.umquat8604
      @k.umquat8604 2 роки тому

      @@wildfire9280 Islam only technically bans consumption of wine

  • @HVLLOWS1999
    @HVLLOWS1999 5 років тому +67

    Do a vid about this: What if the Arabs lost the firsr Byzantine-Arab War in the 630's AD.
    Eastern Rome Revived???

    • @HVLLOWS1999
      @HVLLOWS1999 4 роки тому +3

      @@appleslover Cyprus isn't it divided between Turkey and Cyprus & Britain

    • @A_Shanto
      @A_Shanto 4 роки тому +2

      @@appleslover middle east Iraq Syria are more stable in 1970 compare to Cyprus

    • @ihatemotionblur_3255
      @ihatemotionblur_3255 3 роки тому

      How did mo even get all those troops

    • @maths.solved6215
      @maths.solved6215 3 роки тому

      @@ihatemotionblur_3255 how did who?

    • @ihatemotionblur_3255
      @ihatemotionblur_3255 3 роки тому +1

      @@maths.solved6215 muhamed

  • @squamish4244
    @squamish4244 5 років тому +20

    This was a far more serious challenge than the more well-known Siege of Vienna in 1529. Christian Europe in 1529 was powerful. In 718, beyond Constantinople it was much weaker than the Arabs, who had already destroyed the 400-year-old Sassanian Empire.

  • @mr.orwell5680
    @mr.orwell5680 7 років тому +206

    Every Muslim like "why couldn't this happen" when they see the first map

    • @teriyakichicken1848
      @teriyakichicken1848 7 років тому +25

      Mr. Orwell ? The first map did actually happen....

    • @KnuxTube
      @KnuxTube 7 років тому +91

      From my Muslim perspective, we conquered well enough. Lol. Other people conquered more, but borders from Iberia to India is certainly nothing to scoff at. Constantinople would have been nice in the 700s, though.

    • @hazzmati
      @hazzmati 7 років тому +22

      ottomans did a far better job than the arabs did tho, you guys never even conquered anything past eastern anatolia

    • @KnuxTube
      @KnuxTube 7 років тому +73

      What are you talking about? Ottomans weren't the ones who made it into Islamic Spain. It was the Arabs and Moors. Even ignoring the Ottomans, the Muslims conquered huge regions.

    • @KnuxTube
      @KnuxTube 7 років тому +59

      Not to mention, nomadic Arabs fought and defeated the two biggest empires at the same time. That can't be ignored.

  • @zarlei6048
    @zarlei6048 6 років тому +4

    Great video my man

  • @AdmiralTypeZero
    @AdmiralTypeZero 7 років тому +3

    excellent video. people are really getting info from pop culture. also im really against calling dark age to the era after western roman empire. it wasnt dark because agricalture and bueracracy improved a lot in hundred years. nomadic tribes converted to feudalism. these are big things .

  • @Max-nd1uz
    @Max-nd1uz 7 років тому +4

    Hey, can I help you with scripts or editing or anything? I have a lot of spare time. .. ;-;

  • @mihaless
    @mihaless 6 років тому +9

    Check your facts first. Usually you do, but here .... As in the previous comments, the BE was lost since the Arabs had bigger fleet, bigger army, much better supply system, higher spirit so yes, they could afford much more losses. On top of that Constantinople was isolated by the siege. The only reason they retreated was that Bulgarians were not included into the equation. Totally interfered/destroyed their strategy.

    • @eduardgherasim2896
      @eduardgherasim2896 4 роки тому +2

      Bulgarians helped, but overall it was the big city walls, well prepared defense, cold winter that the Arabs never experienced, the Greek fire and also the Byzantine army that attacked the relief Arab army coming from Anatolia.
      Bulgars killed the Arabs while retreating, also made it difficult to resupply a d forage.

  • @manetho5134
    @manetho5134 7 років тому +115

    all of this only if the Byzantines did not have Greek fire

    • @DimitarFCBM
      @DimitarFCBM 6 років тому +20

      Omar Walid Bulgarians played a major role

    • @masterarthius8752
      @masterarthius8752 6 років тому +27

      Without the Bulgars even Greek fire wouldn't have saved Constantinople though.

    • @MPOTSARIS20
      @MPOTSARIS20 6 років тому +15

      Aleksandar Kan Here some facts. 1st the muslim navy was devastated by Greek fire, 2nd the vicious diplomacy of Emperor Leo iii the Isaurian bought precious time and even made the Arab army grain to run out .3rd Byzantine army destroyed an Arab reinforcement army in Anatolia. 4rt when the Bulgarians attacked the Byzantine army defending the City had already salied outside of the walls. Bulgarian help made this victory decisive, no doubt for that, but it was just one of the factors that contributed to the victory. The statement "the City would had fallen if not of the Bulgarians"is utterly false and biased. This victory belong to BOTH of us neighbour , peace!

    • @MPOTSARIS20
      @MPOTSARIS20 6 років тому +6

      We had an army that defeated the Muslim reinforcements in Bithynia and also an army inside the walls. Also because of naval superiority they were unable to bring more supplies, along with Leo iii convincing them to burn their grain.. that's why they suffered during the winter. Khan Trevel was indeed a factor but not the olny one. Do not forget that the Byzantines defeated another siege in 678.

    • @MPOTSARIS20
      @MPOTSARIS20 6 років тому +6

      Because of armies being away to other fronts, like in 626 and 907, or just because the empire was exhausted or just the emperors had not enough time to raise a proper army. I think you did not read well my earlier post.
      I do not downplay the Bulgarian participation the Bulgarians were the ones that made this victory so impactful.
      But the city would stand just like it stood in earlier sieges, even without Bulgarian help, simply because no army was able to storm Konstantinople successfully from land, the walls were really formidable.

  • @gymrat5014
    @gymrat5014 3 роки тому +6

    Russians in our timeline converted to Christianity basically because of the Byzantine Empire being such a strong force and thzy needed to seal alliances. If the byzantinzs become muslim in our timeline i'd expect them to become muslim too

  • @malokaloMPK
    @malokaloMPK 7 років тому +8

    Can you make a part : What if the plan Marshall never existed

  • @danailstoilov130
    @danailstoilov130 3 роки тому +5

    As a kid in Bulgaria I was taught that Khan Tervel was called to aid Byzantium in holding back what is now referred to as the first Arab invasion as far as I can recall. His army marched through the open gates of Constantinople
    They were welcomed as saviours.

    • @horationelson2212
      @horationelson2212 3 роки тому +3

      Tervel wrecked the Arab cavalry while the Arabs were dying from the siege.

    • @vaniost
      @vaniost 3 роки тому +2

      @@horationelson2212 That’s a first! A besieging army dying from the siege they are imposing? How does that happen Jackson?
      The only way it happens if they are prevented from getting supplies.

    • @k.umquat8604
      @k.umquat8604 2 роки тому +2

      @@vaniost They indeed were.. They had come a long way but they commited a huge mistake not consolidating prior conquests

  • @ravenknight4876
    @ravenknight4876 5 років тому +24

    7:40 charlemagne wouldn't even attack Italy. The only reason why he did so was the Invitation by the Pope and the Opportunity to become emperor that came with it. Neither of the two would exist in this time line.

    • @NeverEverClever
      @NeverEverClever 3 роки тому +7

      that's just like your opinion man
      the pope being in francia would have meant they would want to reconquer rome for the papacy, promising the emperorship in return

    • @ravenknight4876
      @ravenknight4876 3 роки тому

      @@NeverEverClever That's not my oppinion, that's literally why charlemagne did that.

  • @rutger5000
    @rutger5000 5 років тому +24

    You're selling the Eastern Roman Empire short. It survived the capture of constantinople in the fourth crusade, and later recapture it. Back then they were likely weaker than in the 8th century. So there is little reason to assume, it couldn't survive the fall of constantinople in 718.
    Also it would be interresting to see how Early middle age Europe would have responded to the fall of Rome to Muslim forces. Maybe we would get some crusading kind of stuff happening.
    Any case you understimate the stratetical value of constantinople. Pretty much anyone could defend it against a vastly superiour force, especially if said force wasn't capable of a naval blockade. So how any Stepp tribe would just bypass it, is beyond me.
    Finally Russia would have been Muslim if it wasn't for Byzantium, not Catholic. After it "liberated" itself from Mongol rule, it was approached both by Orthodox and Muslim missionaries. It is said it sided with the Orthodox ones, because Islam doesn't allow Vodka. But without the Orthodox option they'd look for the Muslim allies.

    • @user-dl5ln3wd6f
      @user-dl5ln3wd6f Рік тому

      You can't compare the crusaders to Troops that have lands from France to China.

    • @rutger5000
      @rutger5000 Рік тому

      @@user-dl5ln3wd6f I lack the context to understand what you're trying to say here.

    • @user-dl5ln3wd6f
      @user-dl5ln3wd6f Рік тому

      @@rutger5000
      The Roman Could Survive The Crusades because the Crusades never had enough troops to fully conquer the Byzentine empire after the fourth Crusade while the Caliphate could've easily overrun the Byzentines after capturing Constantinople.

    • @rutger5000
      @rutger5000 Рік тому

      @@user-dl5ln3wd6f Conquest is more complicated than numerical supremacy.

    • @mint8648
      @mint8648 Рік тому

      They would found the sultanate of rome just like sultanate of hindustan

  • @m.a.t.a.s
    @m.a.t.a.s 4 роки тому +22

    Didn't know there were 717 other sieges before this one...

  • @Chrischi3TutorialLPs
    @Chrischi3TutorialLPs 6 років тому +28

    Its a bird! Its a Plane! ITS THE SELJUK TURKS!

    • @nisacelik9185
      @nisacelik9185 6 років тому +1

      Chrischi3LPs FUCk YoU cCcOTTOMANcCc

  • @belalabusultan5911
    @belalabusultan5911 4 роки тому +8

    this is an amazing scenario, you seem to have great insight to the Islamic history, so what would happen if the Abbasid dynasty did not fall for the Mongols ?

    • @buzzlightyear1010
      @buzzlightyear1010 3 роки тому +3

      The Abbasid would have eventually been conquered by another islamic empire because by the time the mongols reached baghdad, the abbasids were no longer that important. The abbasids didn’t control Mecca,Medina,or jerusalem, they only ruled the areas on the tigris and euphrates river, and they were gradually becoming more and more weaker. Even before the mongols destroyed baghdad, baghdad had already lost its importance as a knowledge hub. Less and less poetry literature and art was being produced and the local population was becoming more and more lazy and weak. That’s why the mongols were able to easily capture baghdad because the population of baghdad didn’t have the pride it once had at the height of its power. But in my opinion if an islamic empire conquered baghdad then they wouldn’t have completely destroyed the city. The house of knowledge wouldn’t have been destroyed and gradually over time baghdad would have regained its position as a trading, economic, and knowledge hub that it once had during its golden age. And because of this the muslims would have been way more scientifically advanced and maybe things such as the telephone and various modern things would have been created by the arabs/muslims not the westerners. The world would look completely different, the Middle East would have been the technically advanced society not the west and countries such as iraq would probably be very powerful and economically and culturally rich

    • @minutemanchan7232
      @minutemanchan7232 Рік тому +2

      Honestly I think that the Caliph would’ve just been a ceremonial role or something akin to the Pope
      Perhaps the Church and State or Masjid and State would fight each other for dominance but it seems unlikely

  • @nazeem8680
    @nazeem8680 2 роки тому +5

    morocco is a majority arabic speaking country bro. get your facts right

  • @ahoraya1047
    @ahoraya1047 4 роки тому +3

    A consequence would be that America would had been discovered 600 years earlier, so Erik the Red would have been followed by hundreds of ships from France and England

  • @thespectralking2364
    @thespectralking2364 5 років тому +2

    i think the renaissance would almost be stronger, as there would be more means of islamic knowledge being restored to the europeans. it might not be italians, perhaps french or austrian, but still. Especially since italy would be a hub of multi religious coexistence because of how trade and diasporic communities work,

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 7 місяців тому

      I think there would be no Renaissance.
      The muslim reformation was completely religion centric, it basically abolished science for muslims and any interest in previous times.

  • @footballmoments3383
    @footballmoments3383 2 роки тому +4

    Big up from Morocco

  • @shahnazmirza2348
    @shahnazmirza2348 5 років тому +9

    1:11 Hey, isn't that Assassin's Creed: Revelations?

  • @desperado4720
    @desperado4720 6 років тому +2

    Do a video on what if Mohammed expanded south into Africa instead of north into the middle east, persia, and egypt.

  • @anotherguycalled6253
    @anotherguycalled6253 3 роки тому +15

    “ no one speaks of the Byzantine empire “
    Me a Muslim who has to deal with Byzantine fan bois

  • @CultOfMonika
    @CultOfMonika 6 років тому +56

    The Bulgarians would not be considered back in these days. Emperor Nikephoros I tried to conquer them and become a drinking cup.Let's not forget that if it wasn't for them, Constantinopol would have fallen in 717. Concerned is a different story however.

    • @EndietheEnderman
      @EndietheEnderman 5 років тому

      @@Parkour_Vector390 u gud bruh?

    • @wildfire9280
      @wildfire9280 4 роки тому +1

      @Accelerated Found the Bulgarian nationalist

    • @NeverEverClever
      @NeverEverClever 3 роки тому +1

      and actually, if the byzantines didnt have to fight on their european border with the bulgars, they would have an easier time fighting the muslims on their eastern border in the first place

    • @katask7849
      @katask7849 3 роки тому

      If the greeks hadnt been busy fighting bulgarians Constantinople would be still greek, so basically the slavs destroyed Byzantine empire because the Byzantines let them in their empire.

    • @tatarkhan33
      @tatarkhan33 3 роки тому

      @@katask7849 just shut the fuck up you piece of shit

  • @sauron7839
    @sauron7839 4 роки тому +12

    *WHAT IF JAPAN BECAME CATHOLIC IN THE 16TH CENTURY?*
    I bet you thought I forgot.

    • @robertmech3069
      @robertmech3069 3 роки тому

      I don't think this has been made yet

    • @forgetful9845
      @forgetful9845 3 роки тому +1

      @@robertmech3069 it has

    • @southparkundersecretwisdom3230
      @southparkundersecretwisdom3230 3 роки тому

      Japanese would actually be able to speak English...

    • @mertinibus
      @mertinibus 3 роки тому

      @@southparkundersecretwisdom3230 bruuuhhh you did them dirty there

    • @southparkundersecretwisdom3230
      @southparkundersecretwisdom3230 3 роки тому

      @@mertinibus Japanese would be heavily mixed with Portuguese and Dutch words, all these european powers trading with japan , also their Bible is in Latin and maybe for once they would be writing in Romanji and basically ditch Katakana, hiragana and Kanji
      but Japanese language right now still has lots of loan words from European languages

  • @azimy9388
    @azimy9388 3 роки тому

    Hey man, I love the video but, you didn’t mention about one people. How would the mongols affect Islam in this timeline? Would the eastern Khawarasm empire still collapse to the mongols even with allies in the west such as the Seljuks, and so on?

  • @BloodRider1914
    @BloodRider1914 4 роки тому +3

    There were a few exceptions to the Islamic conversion rule, namely Armenia and Lebanon

  • @ichoffski4707
    @ichoffski4707 3 роки тому +3

    The Bulgars also created a state on the river Volga and merged with Finno-Ugric peoples there, forming the Volga Bulgars. They became muslim , despite being a "forest" tribe, 80 years after their Danubian cousins became Christian.

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 7 місяців тому

      Yes, and seeing how they were unable to spread Islam seems to point to be muslim wasnt easy there.

  • @greensleeves6683
    @greensleeves6683 6 років тому +5

    Considering it was only taken over because it was weakened via Catholic infighting after taking cover there. And the most famously gate being left open.. What if do one what if it never fell

    • @BALLARDTWIN
      @BALLARDTWIN 6 років тому +2

      Green Sleeves
      Turks were very powerful anyway they would have simply grew from conquest to the east and eventually destroy Constantinople

    • @ibrahimyilmaz4861
      @ibrahimyilmaz4861 6 років тому +1

      Even if they didn't fight they couldn't help the Byzantines, because Ottomans had a big pice of the Balkans under control when they finished off the Byzantines. If they arrived early enough, that would't change history at all. The Ottomans had a Canon which destroy the Byzantine walls and that was the only thing what defended them. The Turkish soldiers were quite many and the crusaders even tried to help the Byzantines, but were quickly defeated by the Turks in Serbia. The Byzantine Empire had to fall, there was no other way. Even the Turks lost that Siege, they would do an other Siege and an other Siege and so on. The Byzantines were Surround.

    • @primalforlorn
      @primalforlorn 6 років тому

      One of the reason Constantinople falls was because the roman empire at that time was ridiculously poor that they can't even have proper firearm. The engineer that build that famous cannon that destroy the wall originally went to the byzantine, when he realized the roman was too poor to pay their soldiers, let alone his services, he turned to the ottoman. Really, the real reason byzantine fell was the sack of constantinpole during the fourth crusade

    • @CookieGamerss
      @CookieGamerss 5 років тому

      PrimalForlorn Yeah, it affected byzantines so much it eventually led them to their downfall

  • @Koellenburg
    @Koellenburg 6 років тому +1

    .. neat .. . i like the logical argumentation with the forest and the nomad tribes converting to different religions because of the food :)

  • @lastword8783
    @lastword8783 5 років тому +13

    2:45 i disagree. The reason why those places became Arabic was because they were already linguistically close to Arabs. However places that werent linguidtically close to Arabic still remained culturally seperate. It wasnt because the cultures that became Arabic had a weak culture to fall back on but more because they and the Arabs were part of the same larger cultural group.

    • @oitubeman1019
      @oitubeman1019 2 роки тому +1

      If so, then explain why african romance went extinct?

    • @lastword8783
      @lastword8783 2 роки тому +4

      @@oitubeman1019 It was mostly only spoken as a primary language by Roman Settlers while the native population spoke Berber which still exists. It was also learned because the language was intrinsically linked to Christianity. When people began to convert to Islam, they stopped having a reason to learn it as a secondary language because they had to learn to read Arabic. It stopped being the language of administration and government and the communities that spoke it as a primary language were too small and were assimilated into the native Berber culture group over time (more than a 1000 years). Regardless it had an effect over modern north african languages.

    • @oitubeman1019
      @oitubeman1019 2 роки тому

      @@lastword8783 would sardinian go extinct?

    • @lastword8783
      @lastword8783 2 роки тому +1

      @@oitubeman1019 not sure what you mean. Do you mean would sardinian go extinct if Muslims ruled Sardinia for long time? I doubt it unless there was lots of berber migration there and even then maybe not but its difficult to say. For example in Iberia MozArabic was the language of Iberian Moors and it sounded basically like Spanish with some Arabic words here and there. So maybe the same could happen to Sardinian.

    • @lumiam6982
      @lumiam6982 Рік тому

      @@lastword8783 Also, note the Berber are Afro-Asiatic speakers related Arabs and both had similar cultures despite living in two different regions. Berbers were closer to Arabs than Italians that's why they were able to easily adopt the Arabic language, easily.

  • @dumer1227
    @dumer1227 4 роки тому +5

    Wait would this mean that France and Germany are the same country

    • @gimesibalazs2249
      @gimesibalazs2249 3 роки тому +4

      I dont think so. The frankish succession laws really fucked the idea of a united empire.

  • @johnplays9654
    @johnplays9654 6 років тому +119

    Bulgaria actually saved the byzantines Khan Tervel brought his armies and defeated the arabs at constantinople

    • @ekn_38
      @ekn_38 6 років тому +10

      John Plays Turks...they save Constantinople and destroy Constantinople :D

    • @maximmihailov8167
      @maximmihailov8167 6 років тому +13

      I would not say Save, but deffinetly help.

    • @greektrump5227
      @greektrump5227 6 років тому +7

      Byzantines we're the ones who did the whole job, cause of Greek fire

    • @vencislavgunev8234
      @vencislavgunev8234 6 років тому +17

      + xmajesticdragonx
      Yes, they hold the siege impressively long time, but the truth is that without bulgarians Constantinople is lost!!!

    • @vencislavgunev8234
      @vencislavgunev8234 6 років тому +5

      + Ekn _38
      They was Indo-Eupeans with turkic elite!!!

  • @maxwalker1159
    @maxwalker1159 7 років тому

    Good video

  • @edmerc92
    @edmerc92 Рік тому +1

    2:15 - the reason the early conquests became permanently Muslim (if we exclude groups like the Copts, Maronites, etc.) is because they stayed under Islamic rule for 1000+ years, not because there was something magical about those early conquests.

  • @aarohalme1020
    @aarohalme1020 6 років тому +7

    Would the greek culture stay strong in this timeline? If it would anatolia sicily malta sardinia and calabria would stay greek.

    • @oitubeman1019
      @oitubeman1019 2 роки тому +1

      probably yes, but they’d lose Malta,Sardinia and Calabria

    • @warcriminalgaming2359
      @warcriminalgaming2359 9 місяців тому +1

      Ironically yes, they’d just be a Islamic culture (similar to the Persians, whom went from the center of Zoastrianism to a major Islamic group)

  • @baraamahmah3419
    @baraamahmah3419 5 років тому +3

    Me :see that the comments are 666 and post about it in twitter
    Illuminati wants to know your location

  • @noya-san1118
    @noya-san1118 6 років тому +1

    I agree with the possible anatolian demographics if siege of 718 was succesful, however, not for the given reason. I believe the Turkish expansion into the anatolia was initially caused by nomadic tribes being pushed towards the borders of muslim states because nomands would not understand the concept of "land ownership" as for them land belongs to everyone. As a result of this, nomads started to "harrass" byzantine lands. byzantinian act against this lead to the "single blow" mentioned in the video. If there wasn't any byzantine, but instead small states, the states couldn't have acted against, and as a result, Turkish invasion of the Anatolia would not have happened.

  • @matheuroux5134
    @matheuroux5134 3 роки тому +8

    I can imagine the united Italy with Arabic influences (while Arabic culture was still one of the more advanced in the world) would be a great power and very culturally rich.

  • @aksmex2576
    @aksmex2576 6 років тому +8

    I don't know why this makes me satisfied and happy

  • @yusuffabriziobosco9841
    @yusuffabriziobosco9841 5 років тому +3

    So: according to you the countries which have been conquered by Muslims earlier became 'fully islamic'...
    Actually still now 10% or more Egyptians are Christians, same in Syria (but they were 1/4 just 100 years ago), 1/2 of Lebanese and big minorities are allover the Middle East!

    • @yusuffabriziobosco9841
      @yusuffabriziobosco9841 5 років тому

      Then you strangely said that Morocco didn't take the Arabic language, and that's totally false.

    • @yusuffabriziobosco9841
      @yusuffabriziobosco9841 5 років тому +2

      Then Italy according to you hadn't any shared identity at that time.. That's very questionable as just two centuries before the Roman Empire was still there, and the longobards and all the rest of barbarians took Latin language anyway, even if the remnants of their languages are still in the variety of Italian dialects.
      It is just similar to what happens with Arabic and its dialects, still carrying elements from the old languages of those countries.

  • @zaxarispetixos8728
    @zaxarispetixos8728 6 років тому +1

    You are saying that having a huge hi tech equiped army is worse than some farmers with rocks

    • @ibrahimyilmaz4861
      @ibrahimyilmaz4861 6 років тому +2

      Who has the Hight-tech Army? Just for you to know, it was the dark age of Europe and the golden age of Islam. The Muslims were by far better equipped and had better tactics. They had the advantage.

  • @rdelrosso2001
    @rdelrosso2001 4 роки тому +12

    Prior to viewing this video July 20, 2019, I honestly thought the FIRST time the Muslims attacked Constantinople was in 1453. Who KNEW?

    • @StephensCrazyHour
      @StephensCrazyHour 2 роки тому +4

      Mate you weren't considered an empire if you didn't besiege Constantinople. Literally everyone did, including the Kievan Rus who ended up their greatest allies.

    • @warcriminalgaming2359
      @warcriminalgaming2359 9 місяців тому

      Even the Ottoman Turks had attempted numerous times beforehand, the Islamic powers had always wanted Constantinople for prophecy related reasons

  • @mygodis7243
    @mygodis7243 3 роки тому +7

    Islam history is so facinating to me
    Taking two great empires at the same time !
    imagine saudi arabia takes america and russia at the same time !

  • @nikolaosxanthos
    @nikolaosxanthos 6 років тому +6

    Can decise even win?
    They will be smash to peaces!

  • @fearlesspotato3429
    @fearlesspotato3429 3 роки тому

    Jezz your voice has changed incredibly.

  • @billysbilbolag2050
    @billysbilbolag2050 6 років тому +2

    Would Islam have a reformation like the christian one in this timeline? Seeing as to the geographic area of which it has spread

    • @volubilis8005
      @volubilis8005 Рік тому +1

      No, the reformation although a cultural and geographical split happened due to the papacy not controlling all parts of societies letting room for the reformation to wiggle as soon as you say you want to pray once a
      Day you are basically burned at the stake as well as Islam being much more political

  • @BlackBeardYT
    @BlackBeardYT 3 роки тому +3

    U missed an important point, if Muslims conquerored constantinople in 718, they would probably change the capital from Baghdad to constantinople
    Thus making more fortified and probably will prevent the slavs from conqueroring it, if the abbasid Khalifat fall

    • @ivokantarski6220
      @ivokantarski6220 3 роки тому

      The Slavic tribes never owned the city. Bulgarian emperors had the wet dreams to take it but who knows maybe it's TRUE two of them died before they go to besiege it. 🤣🤣the story tells when Khan Tervel came to the freed city he entered and they had grew celebration. He threw his spear on the ground and the East Roman's covered it all with treasures. Plus there were land concessions.

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 7 місяців тому

      Abasids came later. I think the umayds would remain in Constantinople and the califate would split.

  • @thingy9628
    @thingy9628 3 роки тому +3

    Could I please have some additional information on the plains tribes/forest tribes theory?

  • @danielbickford3458
    @danielbickford3458 7 років тому +2

    :24, what gratitude does it get? it gets invaded in the crusades by their own coreligionists. though that would make an interesting alt, what they weren't trampled in the crusades?

  • @ZeddBG
    @ZeddBG 6 років тому +2

    What if Byzantine-Sasanian War of 602-628 never happened? :)

  • @real_yunicellular
    @real_yunicellular 3 роки тому +4

    They did not only fall once, they actually fell twice.

  • @nelimiltenova4320
    @nelimiltenova4320 6 років тому +3

    Since the Muslims didn't form a very strong rear guard in 718 ,the Bulgars where able to run in and out the Muslim camp with there swords tasting blood each time.

    • @skelet8337
      @skelet8337 3 роки тому

      And the Byzantium and bulgars prolonged the siege so much it became winter and the Arabs which were coming from hot climate lost significant amount of troops to the climate

  • @IsraelOzeri
    @IsraelOzeri 7 років тому +2

    Your best Vid so fa, by far!

  • @lumiam6982
    @lumiam6982 Рік тому +2

    Honestly, had the Arabs successfully conquered Constantinople the Greeks would've been living in the center of Anatolia's interior as Muslims with no Turks seen in sight. When Arabs conquered the Persians, the Arabs promised them peace, protection, and less tax if they accepted two things from them. One is to accept the Caliph as your ruler and two, pay Jizya and in return, you will be protected and treated as an equal citizen. You can freely practice your religion and keep your property and live your life the same as you did in the previous administration. The Greeks would've actually lived much better because Anatolia would no longer be raided by Arabs and the cities in eastern Anatolia would've been repopulated and flourished as all these areas came under one administration meaning increased trade. Constantinople would've been the major city in the empire and Arabs would've promised the Greeks protection by preserving the South Danube river as the border and repelling Bulgarian/Slavic raids and migration. On top of that, the Arabs were under Persian influence because 50% of their army was Persian/Iranian tribes whilst the rest were Arab, Berbers, Turks, Coptic Egyptians, Indo tribes, Armenians, Iberians, and the Caucasus tribes. Let's not forget their administration was heavily influenced and dependent on Persian bureaucrats. If had the Greeks been integrated into the growing empire the Greek bureaucrats would've countered the Persian bureaucrats. The Byzantine army (Greek army) would've reduced the Persian/Iranian forces into a lesser threat. The Greeks would've had their own quarter in Baghdad. The Arabs would've adopted the Greek democracy like senators and voting governors in different provinces every five years, etc. Basically, the empire would've grown sophisticated thanks to the Greeks and when the Arab empire collapsed, the Byzantine Empire would've been revived stronger this time and would've been similar to Ottoman Empire calling themselves the calipha. Today modern-day Balkan region and Anatolia would've been Greek-majority with the only difference being Muslims and Greeks would've been more powerful and probably been the leaders of the Muslim world today as we speak

    • @user-yj4ym4ki1u
      @user-yj4ym4ki1u 8 місяців тому

      In this scenario what would the Muslim Greeks do after Baghdad fell into the hands of the Mongols?

    • @lumiam6982
      @lumiam6982 8 місяців тому

      @@user-yj4ym4ki1u I believe the Greek Muslims would've been a force to be reckon with especially if they had Balkans and Anatolia for themselves. This massive population combined with their strong economy. They would've captured Baghdad and attempt to restore the Byzantine empire and rule lands similar to that of Ottoman empire. Perhaps, Baghdad may have never fallen to the Mongols since the Greek Muslims would arrive to fight off the Mongols and supported by local Iraqis would've put up a big fight against the Mongols.

    • @user-yj4ym4ki1u
      @user-yj4ym4ki1u 8 місяців тому

      @@lumiam6982 Another question: How would the Muslim Greeks withstand the Crusades?

  • @user-ht1vg5we2p
    @user-ht1vg5we2p 2 роки тому +3

    Would the center of Islam in this timeline move from Baghdad to, let's say, Cairo? You know, bc of them having more lands to the west

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 7 місяців тому +1

      Or Istanbul.

    • @maxg8766
      @maxg8766 2 місяці тому +2

      @@adamnesicoConstantinople, Istanbul is a recent, Turkish name meaning "in the city" not arabic

  • @simonk.4338
    @simonk.4338 6 років тому +3

    We wouldn't be watching you tube, thats for sure. No, electricity, no industrial revolution, no cars, no plains, no medicine and so on

  • @baxelbox313
    @baxelbox313 2 роки тому +2

    another vid i wish hed remaster

  • @mr.stud_ious8534
    @mr.stud_ious8534 5 років тому

    wait so since the ummayads weakend and wen't smaller couln't the conquest fo spain begein(same with italy)?

  • @ThaChosenChild
    @ThaChosenChild 4 роки тому +14

    The Armenians held them back.Once Armenia fell, that's when the Muslims came pouring in. I wish you could make a video on this subject, which no one knows about.
    History time made an amazing video, talking a bit about this.
    ua-cam.com/video/w0UaYSUKH40/v-deo.html

  • @octodaddy4494
    @octodaddy4494 6 років тому +11

    Well i have praised the Byzantines many times and it has my deepest respect for what they have done. But i couldn't give credit to the empire before i knew the history. That is the problem, far to little people know about the deeper history of Europe than the mainstream history like the world wars and french revolution etc.

    • @octodaddy4494
      @octodaddy4494 6 років тому

      zonxo i agree!

    • @AgarthaFan
      @AgarthaFan 5 років тому

      zonxo Greek Nationalist detected

    • @NoVisionGuy
      @NoVisionGuy 3 роки тому

      @@AgarthaFan how is that a Greek nationalism? wtf

  • @user-et9hm5vn9h
    @user-et9hm5vn9h Рік тому +2

    معركة بلاكووتر في جيم اوف ثرونز مستلهمة من الحصار الأموي الإسلامي لمدينة القسطنطينية ، اللي عاجبني في جورج مارتن أنه ياخذ احداث تاريخية حقيقية و يستلهمها في كتابة احداث عالمه الخيالي

  • @hungerquest7862
    @hungerquest7862 3 роки тому +1

    This mean in this timeline there is a chance of a slavic ottoman empire I am jsut imagining an Adidas empire.

  • @habib6499
    @habib6499 3 роки тому +5

    "Technology would be slow"
    Arabs that invented modern day medicine and revolutionised science: :/

    • @Maperator
      @Maperator 2 роки тому +1

      It would be slow, after the mongol invasion islamic scientific age was dead in a coffin. Didnt recover since, and now the world is globalised

    • @volubilis8005
      @volubilis8005 Рік тому

      Now even though I think the Muslim world technologically fell behind the west due to decline in Mediterranean trade and connectivity, Circassian thugs taking over vital Muslim centres of wealth and science as well as the mongol invadions destroying the house of wisdom and sparking a conservative backlash as well as less competition and the merchants being cracked down became much more conservative and less innovative then the west but I think if the muslims won the siege with them converting not conquering all those territories in Europe and the balkans would make Islam much more comparable to the west, as well as having much more divisive geography would increase competition solving a few problems as well as Islam as a theology being much more egalitarian would lead to what I would see as all Muslim nations being part of a caliphate but the caliph would have no power but would still stay in power almost trike the Holy Roman Empire anywho my rant is over

  • @DanishCamp
    @DanishCamp 6 років тому +4

    The khalifate came to be because The byzantine and Sassanid empires had depleted each other and was a shawdow of their high point. That is why a lesser force could gain ground. In Spain there was a civil war at the time of conquest so of course they could take it. Italy was a bunch of small states. If the Byzantine's would have lost the Khalifate would have met proper resistance from stable countries of mainland Europe and wouldn't be able to advance. And in reality they didn't advance for that same reason.

  • @anvos658
    @anvos658 2 роки тому

    I think its highly unlikely Italy ends up the push over you assumed, and such an invasion itself, could easily cause Italian unity, through recognition of the Islamic threat. Let alone you'd have the Pope having a strong argument to rally Europe to set aside their petty squabbles with the enemy on the doorstep.

    • @fsdds1488
      @fsdds1488 2 роки тому +3

      Muslim emirates had already controlled the southern Italy, consider how Guelphs and Ghibellines formed there might probably be a divided Italy, one supports the caliphate while the other supports the pope.

  • @brusselbxl6744
    @brusselbxl6744 4 роки тому +2

    At 3:21 is actualy Albanian culture not greek !

  • @afri-cola1594
    @afri-cola1594 6 років тому +16

    You forgot to say that the Bulgarians surrounded the muslims by land, if it weren't them, Byzantine would have lost.

    • @BALLARDTWIN
      @BALLARDTWIN 6 років тому

      The Bulgarian Communist
      Ottomans practically owned you guys for centuries

    • @afri-cola1594
      @afri-cola1594 6 років тому

      Yes, near 5 centuries but this happened in 14th century.

    • @noman2330
      @noman2330 6 років тому

      Lord Slashington III compare kingdom of bulgaria to ottoman empire...bulgarians did their best with their numbers

    • @ibrahimyilmaz4861
      @ibrahimyilmaz4861 6 років тому

      no man true. Let's set a statement: OTTOMAN RULES!
      That's good, isn't it?

    • @Sadoyasturadoglu
      @Sadoyasturadoglu 5 років тому +1

      Turkic Bulgar Khan Tervel.

  • @androidbey
    @androidbey 7 років тому +17

    what if Indian Mughul empire invaded China

    • @horaciolll323
      @horaciolll323 5 років тому +2

      why genghis khan son was king of china after he's death

    • @leaveme3559
      @leaveme3559 5 років тому +2

      They couldn't secure there hold on India and u assume they would go after China?.... There entire history has been filled with rebellions after rebellions and few blows from the persians

    • @hadi8699
      @hadi8699 3 роки тому +1

      @@leaveme3559 they secured it for more than 300 years

    • @leaveme3559
      @leaveme3559 3 роки тому

      @@hadi8699 yes they controlled northern india for most of there rein the south was always rebellious

    • @hadi8699
      @hadi8699 3 роки тому

      @@leaveme3559 yes

  • @robertmech3069
    @robertmech3069 3 роки тому +2

    IF Bulgaria converted to Islam, that means they never invent Cyrillic. This means Russia never adopts Cyrillic as their alphabet because it never exists. Instead, they use the Latin alphabet, which will also influence the vocabulary itself, and just like neighboring Polish which was only ever written in Latin script, will do a lot to bring Russia closer into the European sphere. This shift closer would be exacerbated by the Muslim world consolidating it's grasp and becoming the sole existential threat to Europe. I believe this linguistic aspect carries just as much influence, or at least close, as the lack of this earlier religious schism in the Christian world.
    Russia itself could be smaller than it is in today's world, unless they took steps to suppress Islam from spreading through the Caucuses and central Asian steppes, as it might in fact be deterred from strong Slavic kingdoms in Anatolia which could be the target of a vengeful Inquisition. Russia would be far more developed and at least somewhat less corrupt (in the traditional sense) than it is now. It would likely be a close partner in all global international projects rather than a distanced and demonized rival.

  • @edwardmiessner6502
    @edwardmiessner6502 3 роки тому +1

    3:57 HA! 😝 I *KNEW* the Pope would become the Archbishop of Canterbury! That's going tocause some serious butterfly effects with the Catholic Church being also known as the Anglican Church.

  • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
    @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 6 років тому +6

    "Pray six times a day."
    "No, because we live in a forest."
    "???"
    That's basically this video.

  • @gintautassickus6390
    @gintautassickus6390 5 років тому +3

    7:01 why would anyone convert to christianity in that timeline anyway.

  • @bangaliguy5287
    @bangaliguy5287 7 років тому +1

    do a video on if Mongol never existed.

  • @surriyajabeen2646
    @surriyajabeen2646 3 роки тому +2

    Would it effect the ottoman conquests

    • @surriyajabeen2646
      @surriyajabeen2646 3 роки тому +1

      @M777 Abbai but I think the ottomans would face some resistance by other ethnicities

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 7 місяців тому +1

      I dont think ottomans would exist here.

  • @mrpatriot8279
    @mrpatriot8279 6 років тому +8

    As an ethnic Greek I'm just happy they didn't and Greek fire destroyed their fleet. Nothing wrong with speculation.

    • @CookieGamerss
      @CookieGamerss 5 років тому +4

      Michael H As a Turk I believe if Arabs conquered you,They wouldve assimilated you and force their culture on you essentially destroying your culture..

    • @AgarthaFan
      @AgarthaFan 5 років тому +1

      LonelyWanderer That’s why even though I dislike the Turks invading Europe. I still like the ottomans simply because they allowed the people they conquered to keep their native culture, religion and language. They were truly a respectable empire due to their tolerance and strength.

  • @atteindresiempredad
    @atteindresiempredad 6 років тому +10

    قدر الله و ماشاء فعل

  • @southparkundersecretwisdom3230
    @southparkundersecretwisdom3230 3 роки тому +2

    Forest tribes and Pork? That Explains East Asians

  • @aarohalme1020
    @aarohalme1020 6 років тому +2

    Cross meditarrean struggle's indeed.

  • @TheMrSlinkman
    @TheMrSlinkman 5 років тому +10

    lol what a bunch of nonsense.Syria, Egypt, Iraq etc """culturally""" converted (if by that you mean language, because I doubt anybody even remotely knows any culture beyond his own) because they spoke languages not too far off from Arabic, i.e. Semitic languages, whereas Persians spoke Persian, which did take the Arabic writing system and loaned some words, but never spoke Arabic. yes in that case Greeks would likely have kept their language, but adopted the Arabic writing system. """""""""Culture""""""" is very relative and dynamic, and the result would be far too random to predict. Plus the Byzantines and Sassanids sucked ass, their rule was unwelcome in the Levant, and they lost battles with huge armies against Muslim armies half or maybe even a fifth their size. Constantinople mostly held because it was Constantinople, and it was before the discovery of gunpowder.