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Yes, that's why British and French supported Ottoman against russia for a long time . Because the collapse of Ottoman will bring chaos to region and the Russians can capture middle east .
If the Ottomans never fell, their Empire would be one of the oldest on earth. From the 1200s to the 2000s?! That's insane! Someone get me my time machine.
@@bugraerdogan1370 that's true, but then again, it fell. Hypothetically speaking, if the Ottomans never fell they'd be one of the oldest continuous empires on earth.
Well you're correct, but at this point that's like saying they have more warmth than most ice cream. Most of the middle east doesn't have a lot of potential outside of Turkey and potentially Iran
@@nihilist31 It's not about losing land. When Abdulhamid first took power the empire was at one of its worst and depressing state that the previous leadership left him with. It was bound to sacrifice something and lose land, yet Abdulhamid managed to restore most of the Empire's insane debts and keep the remainders empire from crumbling.
What if Russia was Muslim(Islamic) It is known that Vladimir the great was torn between Islam and orthodox Christianity but chose Christianity at the end but it was close
"There would never be Saudi Arabia in this timeline" As a German, I vote that we build a time machine and stop the Ottomans from entering the war, even if it means my ancestors lose even harder than they already did.
as an arab myself i just want to say that i wholeheartedly respect and like germans, their culture, language, nation and history. i dont live there i visited Munich in the summer its pretty nice and i am planning to study college there when i grow up i am currently 14.
@@hishamalaker491 Munich is definitely one of our most beautiful cities. When you come here again you should try visiting other cities as well. Aachen is small, but a cornerstone of German history for example. Cologne has one of the most amazing cathedrals in all of christianity and Stuttgart is a beautiful cultural center. Austrian cities are worth checking out too, if you are down in the south anyways
If the Ottoman empire just turkified their lands when they had full extent, Ottoman Empire would be way stronger and without Balkan nationalism, Turkey would be way lalarger
Good catch, my mother grew up in Iran while it was a US ally and so I always heard about how much potential the Iranian people had growing up and how it was wasted under the cruel leadership of both the Shah and the mullahs.
While I have a love/hate relationship with the Ottoman empire (very successful, unique, interesting, and long lasting but enemies of Christian Europe and destroyers of the last vestige of the Romans) I have to agree that this timeline is much better for the Christians, Jews and most of the cultural/religious groups in the region compared to our timeline.
Yes, I mostly despise them for the genocides they committed. But the Balkans and Middle East were and, most probably, would still be peaceful under their rule
@El Dimos Karam no because we let people live their lifestyle( religion, language, culture) freely. Best proof of that now Balkan people speak their own languages not Türkish. We did’t force them to become Muslim(they are still Christians as you can see). We let them LİVE, not murderers, genocides these are just media shits 😒 and if you wanna know the real meaning of genocide i suggest you to go Africa and ask them abouit it oppss but speak in French or they won’t be able to understand you ;) ok?
@East exactly. İ am not saying they were perfeckt but western people should go and search for their own history and war crimes that their ansectors did before blaming us for something we did’t do. Thanks for your support my friend , may Allah bless you :))
@@merve5684 I don't honestly get it why do westerners see the Ottoman Empire as evil it's true at the end of it's time it was corrupt it was also a great Empire
13:58 could not agree more. I'm Egyptian and the fact that Britain and France tore up the Arab world for their convenience is what ruined the Middle East.
@MKULTRA No. You can't compare Islamic rule in Al-Andalus to frikin British and French colonialism Islamic rule in Iberia was a multicultural epicenter of philosophy and sciences and faith. Even the Europeans at the time acknowledged this. The Western carving-up of the Middle East is just making the stage for chaos and conflict, not to mention replacing the Islamic laws with Victorian ones which made the regions go backwards in some areas.
bro they wouldnt have done it without us siding with them at the first place you cant just blame it on the west and call it a day as convenient as it is
@@crisscross-apples-sauces4255these days when we hear genocide denier or cheerleader we think my country America, England, Canada, France and Germany for funding genocide going on right now.
Then her secret plan to travel back in time and become young again and inform hitler of the allies' plans and strategies to result in a Nazi victory so that humanity would be reaching the edges of the galaxy and ruling all the alien civilizations in it and with their help finally building the entropy reversing machine so that the human empire never falls, that she was gonna start next week, would have come true.
Well I said it last time the video was up, as soon as the first time it was up I was doing an Ottoman Empire game in Civilization 6. Honestly the Ottomans are one of my favorite empires in history.
He would be tired of all the other magical creatures living in his swamp and would ask help from some of his orge buddies. A facist dictatorship would be established in the swamp under Shrek, where other creatures would be horribly oppressed by the orges. Donkey would lead a resistance movement against this marginalisatiom, forming an alliance with Dulock to overthrow the totalitarian regime of Shrek.
I think the Ottomans would establish a system that is similiar to modern england with constituonal limited monarchy with more active parlimentary system Maybe an alliance between Germany Japan and Ottomans would form
Another wish of mine has become true! Thank you so much! I always believe that if the Ottoman Empire is still in charge of the Islamic world today, the Islamic world would be a much better place. Plus, with wars are no more for the Ottoman Turks, they can turn the attention to reviving the Islamic Golden Age, when all fields of science florished across the Islamic world and even rebuilt the House of Wisdom in Baghdad. This will definitely make the Islamic world great like it used to be before the Mongols came. And what if the Golden Horde never fractured and conquered by Russia?
What was lost in Baghdad could never have been recovered but if the Mongols didn't make it to Baghdad we might have had technological leaps way earlier
This channel is by far the best alternate history channel. Every video is so well-researched and presented, brimming with all the relevant information that so many other channels unfortunately skip over or ignore. Another great vid. 👍
Fun Fact: The Otoman Empire (1299 - 1923) co-existed with the Mongol Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the United States, and the Soviet Union. It was founded when the Printing Press didn't exist yet and collapsed when movies were first becoming popular. Think about that.
Yea but anything after siege of vienna .ottomans were hanging on .Russia would have taken them over if not for the other world powers. They really were squarely hanging once for like 300 years before ww1
@@erdniealinik not true at all. he actually has an Islamic project for the entire region and will proceed to the end. enough with western propaganda and secularism. grow up
@@erdniealinik he didn't torture any families and you lack Argumentative skills. now about present day 🌍🤷🏻♂️ I will say this Colonialism has not ended..... it evolved. let me explain. before colonialism " ends " the west chose the leaders of countries to keep their interest in regions take france for example. www.ieri.be/en/publications/wp/2019/f-vrier/france-still-exploiting-africa and take me for example. i am from the middle east and here our " dictators" have been chosen by the west not by us and here they uneducate people Historically , economically and religiously because that's what sustain their rule and my country is rich ,but money is nothing for me and for us muslims in general and here we eat we drink and we sleep ( not me i always study and seek knowledge in all fronts as best as i can and am a civil engineer ) even the cattle eat drinks and sleeps. here🇰🇼 courrption is too obvious and we muslims are in phase one and that's " Realization " to be fully aware from politics to history to religion. and every time a Muslim nation rises the west is unsatisfied and want to overthrow the government. Gaddafi,mursi,Yemeni leader Salah , King faisal in the 70s ( he got assassinated) ....etc way a lot i can't go over them all. HOWEVER, before the Arab spring this i admit was not clear to all of us ,but after the Arab spring EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR. we now came to realize misery is built by the happiness of others and our leaders and boarders were chosen and drawn by the west and we must amd will over throw our governments and stop the western intervention in our lands. sorry forgot ( the western people have nothing to do with their governments in fact we are all slaves to this corrupted system we live under " capitalism " or communism both you use " banks" made you know by who i don't have to explain). now about "slavery has evolved" and this time it favors no race only one in fact 👃 and it favors mostly the dollar. we are born to serve and sustain the system and the system milks the life out of us and we gain " invaluable paper money " in return and sometimes we get in debt which is literally an invisible chain in the neck. basically we are living inside bank and the bank choses who succeed and who doesn't and the bank plays with economy and who built it? "the red shield" known as the rothschilds. our muslim lands are the battlefield of the super powers and when you say next time why refugees are in Europe ask yourself what caused them to be there? that's the correct question. Russia is causing the refugee crisis in Europe by bombing the Syrians and helping Assad to kill his people and the refugees are a toy to send them to Turkey and Europe to weaken their economy and make the left wing fight right wing start wars. Russia has an agenda and don't get wrong Russia, china and America/western Europe are fighting for their agenda to who rules who. all of them are trash. now i want to put it in conclusion. " REALIZATION LEADS TO REVALUATION AND REVELATION LEADS TO REVOLUTION " SOMETIMES IT LEADS TO A VERY DIFFERENT R AND THAT'S RADICALIZATION AND THAT HAPPENS WITHOUT BACKBONE. that's why people go far left or far right. because they are weak in character and btw left wing right wing is a toy for the system no matter who wins the system decides everything not the people nor the government. We muslims are in phase one ,but obviously Turkish people has finished phase three. and we look forward to unite with our Muslim brothers and sisters and no islam is not an Arab please don't let me write about it and Arab is not an ethnicity it's a language. the world is Suffering from western imperialism ( not the people unlike you we understand) most people walk with where the wind pushes them am not like that i hope you understand now.
Maybe the ottoman could use the Kyrgyz, Uyghers, Chechens, Karakalpaks, Crimean Tatars, Gaguaz etc as a proxy army against China and Russia? Just an idea.👍
I’d be interested to see whether in this timeline Turkey would still invade Cyprus, and if it did whether it would succeed or whether the British would actually step in.
It could change lots of things. Probably cause Ottomans to conquer western parts of Iran and eastern parts of Germany including Vienna. But still I think the empire would fall at the end.
Mustafa had declared himself as Sultan in all but name by setting up an Imperial tent in Anatolia, growing a beard and displaying his thakur. For Suleiman Han not to kill Shahzade Mustafa, he would have to except Mustafa as the new Emperor and retire. This would cause a minor civil war with his brothers that Mustafa would win as the military mostly supported him. Then he would go on to do pretty much exactly the same thing his father did as Suleiman Han did not cease fighting untill he died. He literally died on the battlefield in a siege. So although people like to romanticize Shahzade Mustafa even in Turkey, he probably would not have contributed as much as people imagine. I have to add that despite his portrayal as incompetent in the FICTIONAL soap opera based on reality, Selim the Second was not a bad Sultan.
Army group center was redirected away from Moscow to attack Leningrad and the Caucuses. Without the Caucasian oil, Army Group Center would continue rushing toward Moscow, probably cutting off Leningrad from any supply in the process. Without the delay, Germany's likely to seize both cities. Sure there'll be a hefty siege for both, but the extra few weeks is what Russia needed to reposition the Siberian divisions to Moscow's defense and to mobilize the populace to dig defenses. Especially with Turkish oil, the Germans would make it through Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad as they did in our timeline. Whether the Soviets fall is up to debate, (they probably don't) but the railway hubs and most of the Soviet Heavy Industry centered in those cities, the Germans would be able to put up a much harder fight. They probably take or cut off the three cities just before or at the start of winter, so they'll be able to dig in and prepare for the counterattack. Itl, the Germans tried to encircle and starve Moscow, more like with Leningrad than Stalingrad. When Leningrad falls, they'll also free up hundreds of thousands of troops for the front, and Germany gets ready for the summer offensive to take the Archangelsk-Astrakan line. They probably don't make it, but they definitely make it farther than they did itl.
I have to disagree.The Red Army by that point was outnumbering the Wehrmacht almost 2:1 both in men and in equipment. The Germans would strike at Moscow and be defeated again as they were in 1941 cause the main force of the Soviets was there waiting for them. That is why the Germans broke through in the south cause the Soviets were expecting a Moscow attack. Since Barbarossa didn't break the Soviets the Germans had lost the war even with the Turkish oil which in out timeline(the British Middle East) wasn't making that much oil as the Caucasian fields and although the Turks could increase the production said oil is not free. Germany would have to pay for it and judging by the capitalist system it would pay a lot. WW2 is a doomed German defeat in most cases and this timeline is no exception.
@@AndreasFly007 The only way germans even have a chance in this time line is if the turks thought that the germans were gonna win so link up with them at stalingrad destroying the southern russian army. Also d day would somehow have to fail, dont know how that happens just cause of the turks but this is the only way. Maybe you can say that peace is made but hitler would never do that all i know is that the soviets would prob not control as much land as the western powers will reach berlin first and the soviets will have all of poland.
@@leto.o5759 If the Turks join the Axis we are talking of a totally different beast. Then the British more likely would invade Mesopotamia and more likely Palestine as well. But yes the Soviets would fall by 1943 due to lack of oil and resources and then the Axis could fortify against the Allies in Italy and France and Iraq. Still I believe that Germany would lose due to American power both military and economic making this a war of attrition which the Axis couldn't win. Also what wasn't mentioned is why the Soviets would let the Turks keep the Azerbaijan and Armenia regions which they thought was theirs. That could ignite a whole other war and maybe even revolts inside the Ottoman Empire.
@@AndreasFly007 Doubt soviets will lose just cause a slightly developed country joins. America would prop it up if it gets bad. Also if the soviets lose the full might of the wehrmact will make d day impossible.
@@leto.o5759 I say that they fall because IOT they were so close to fall by 1943 due to lack of food(lost Ukraine) and if they never had Baku and lost Malkorp and Grozny they have no serious oil to move their armies. Basically same problem the Germans had .The strength of the Turks is not their army or industry but the opening of a new front and more importantly the shipments of oil to the Germans. The Americans could send that much oil by ship only it is practically impossible so therefore they fall.
I think your assessment of the WW2 Eastern Front needs some work. The Russian winter was much less impactful in stopping the German advance than other factors were. The primary factors in stopping the German advance during the fall of 1941 and fall of 1942 was simply the Russian army itself, whereas during the later summer of 1941 (after the first 3 weeks of advances) and all throughout 1942, the primary factor slowing the Germans down was fuel - which you've stated in your scenario would be sold plentifully to both sides by the Ottomans. The 3 biggest problems with your description of the scenario as having been largely the same as in our timeline, except with a 1942 drive on Moscow are these: 1. The initial speed of the German advance would have reduced at a lesser rate after the first 3 weeks of Barbarossa, as motorized and panzer units would have been able to be supplied much deeper into Russia, thanks to the ability to supply them more consistently by truck. The German army lacked the trucks to keep more than just portions of their army supported by mechanized logistics, but they were able to supply those small portions when the fuel was able to be budgeted. Horse and train supply would have still been necessary for the bulk of the infantry. What this would lead to would be a greater number of "pocketing", such as the Minsk pocket and Smolensk pockets, in which hundreds of thousands of Soviets were cut off from resupply by the armored and mechanized maneuvers, and forced to surrender. I'm not saying that the so-called A-A "Line" would have been reached, but I am saying that the Soviets would have suffered much heavier losses to being taken captive in pockets - even Moscow itself would not have been necessarily safe from being cut off. This means that they'd have entered 1942 in a much worse position. 2. The entire nature of Fall Blau in 1942 centered around the dual goals of securing an oil supply (which probably wouldn't have been able to be put to use that year anyway) and cutting off the Russian oil logistics. Neither of these goals would be feasible in your scenario, which leaves the strategic objectives of Germany in 1942 pretty confused, but seizing the population and industrial centers of the cities along the Volga further north had originally been just as much a part of initial German plans to defeat Russia as the Caucasus had been. In other words, I would not envision a decisive turning point in one climactic battle as in our timeline, which leads to the other issue. 3. While you are right in assuming that even with an oil supply secured (particularly at opportunistic wartime price gouging from the Ottomans), Germany lacked the resources to defeat Russia thoroughly enough to remove it as a threat, there is still a problem with assuming that the war would therefore progress on roughly the same timeline. While it still would've lost, we would've seen a much slower German defeat on the Eastern Front, which means that we may have even seen a German surrender solely to the allies in late 1945 or early 1946, while the Red Army was still working on reaching the borders of intermarum Poland. The impact of a slower Soviet advance would have had enormous post-war impact, as this would lead to less of a "cold war between roughly equal rivals" and more than likely something of a Morgenthau Plan for Germany. If Western allies had been able to enforce their pre-1941 commitments to Poland, we may have seen a somewhat expanded, Western-backed Poland as a complement to France as a US and Britain aligned continental European power, and as the furthest-east bulwark against Western fears of the perceived dangers of the spread of Russian-backed communist influence.
Yeah man there is evidence of the ottomans saving jewish minorities in history and giving them a place to live. Many jews existed within the empire. Also I know armenian genocide is a touchy subject even if you believe it did happen it was in wartime and I don’t think if jewish people wanted to settle in palestine there would be any opposition. Requests for autonomy however is a very didderent subject
@@TheVirtuosoe I do believe many Jews would resettle there, but the European Empires would have kept their original plans too. why not a Palestinian Protectorate under the Ottoman Empire?
@@TheVirtuosoe sry, I meant the Ottoman Emperor could just sign a Balfour Declaration-like document, making that area an Ottoman Protectorate, which would be as free as British Dominions (such as Canada & South Africa) were.
The problem is that the Young Turks didn't want to create a multi ethical state like Canada, Belgium or Switzerland, they wanted the Ottoman Empire to be a Turkish Empire, and stop.
10:55 India is culturally closer to Britain. Almost everyone speak English, almost all of our government structure is based on British Government structure and we are in the same language group.
Yeah the idea of all Turks Arabs Assyrians and most of kurds and other ethnicities under the umbrella of being Ottoman which is old asf and kinda a continuation of the Roman Empire and the Abbasid caliphate lol
They built schools they spread peace...Britain just wanted them to vanish because they were strong and loved by many...But remember the British could not defeat them so they paid jews and the house of saud to betray them
The turks never lost in the fight they broke because the british brainwashed arabs against turks saying why are u ruled under the turks when the prophet muhammed pbuh was arab
@@muhammedafou1403 the worst conflicts in the world are caused by the European great powers balkans great power middle east great powers Caucasus great powers
Jdaello although the homicide rate is extremely high and the rate of sexual assault compared to almost all countries. And for a developing country economic growth is abysmal.
@Jdaello it would be even richer if your country didn't have forced quotas in companies, and the threat of violence wasn't so great that many of you smartest people emigrate to Australia and New Zealand.
Those are my thoughts and why I had the question mark. By many metrics South Africa isn't doing fabulously, but it's doing pretty well considering it just got out of Apartheid. In all reality something like 11 tribes (of which I'm counting the Afrikaners, Indians and British) have to coexist and share power in a dry area with a shrinking water supply, which is normally a recipe for complete disaster. If I was predicting SA's future from 1960, I would think it would have collapsed into civil war at some point around 2000, with the Coloreds and Black Africans forming different nations while the white population would flee to Australia and London.
But he nominally kept the Title of Caliph residing in Kostantiniyye, and he was still an important political figure, so in 1923 Atatürk revoked and abolished the title of Caliph in Turkey. So the Ottoman Empire which included the Ottoman Caliphate, nominally ended in 1923.
The turks would have never industrialzed, the great war gave a lesson to mustafa kemal that Westernization is Superior without them loosing a war they wouldn't need to westernized. Also islam is very conservative and would never allowed slight changes
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Actually, it is very likely that Turkey would industrialise, but at a slower rate since Enver Pasha had this kind of a policy as well. Calling Islam inherently conservative ignores the historical reality of Islam being a heavily divided religion.
@@k.umquat8604 Well its true, Iran is doing good but despite its size and ressources it should be able to be as a level like China. The Tanzimat reforms of the ottomans was to westernize and by Westernize it means industrialize and making better education for its people, it didn't made any of this, the litteracy rate was very low and all their weapons and products were to be manufactured in Europe, maybe you don't want to see the reality but thats your problem. Compared it to Japan, the Japanese quickly industrialized because the Japanese are a disciplined people, since 1853 they became like an Asian Germany and was the most industrialized Asian nation despite having 40 times lower population and territories than the ottomans, so no, the ottomans would never have industrialized but rather became a type of saudi arabia economy sitting on black gold and buying everything from the Europeans, with all this income they would not see the need of industrialized, maybe way much later, after a catastrophic defeat and at a very slow rate, just like in our timeline, studying the history and cultures of the nations can give us an idea how the develop. Its like someone saying in 1830s "If the ottomans westernize they will catch up the other Powers with all the ressources it has" well it didn't go that way, why would it be diffferent this time in a pathetic scenario that imagines it would? We will never know for sure but i really doubt... even Singapore developed better and quicker than turkey
Great Video, here's somethings I wanted to point out: The young turks are widely regarded as a failure because of their policies towards Arabs and non turks. basically, the empire was mainly headed by a form of islamism that sought to unite the islamic peoples, with the caliph being the source. However as the Young Turks took over they saw the Ottoman Empire as a tool that they could use for turkificiation and even pan turkism. A perfect scenario for the ottoman empire for me would be remaining neutral in ww1, then as Mehmet V dies, Mehmet VI taking power, he would expel the young turks, as he had many islamist ideals shared by the last caliph before the young turks, Abdulhamid. With Mehmet VI on the throne he would continue to adopt the western and liberal policies of the young turks while at the same time upholding islamism to keep groups like the Kurds, Arabs, and others under control. Minorities like jews, Arab christians, Greeks, Armenians would be kept safe under his doctrine of islamism.
As a Muslim Allah Always gives us The best choice Even If we Didn't like it it's good for us Maybe In. That entirlnate timeline Maybe Something bad happend
14:21 How does Afghanistan only exist because a European diplomat said so? Afghanistan became its own political entity in the 1500s if i recall, when many Sunnis rallied around a king to stop the spread of Shia Islam by the Safavid Empire. Do you mean as a modern nationalist state?
Yeah it looks pretty bullshit like cmon anyone with a basic understanding of muslim history wouldnt say Yemen only came to be in 20th century or Pakistan and Bangladesh for similar reasons also Algeria and libya and likely some more that I missed rn he probably didnt bothered to make it detailed and just choose them
warner bros coexisting at the same time as ottoman empire is about as crazy and true as the possibility that a samurai could have sent a fax to abraham lincoln.
16:34 what are you even talking about? Saddam "had nearly the same quality of equipment as the US"!? I don't understand what are you comparing here; Israel always succeeded because they had the better doctrine, troop quality and mobilisation efficiency, whereas the surrounding Arab states suffered from systemic failures from the top down. Saddam couldn't even begin to compare with what the US could bring to the table. The real surprise was the Iraqi failure against the Iranians when both sides were fairly comparable, even favoring Iraq.
Do you think the Iraqi forces were true believers in Saddam? The Baathist faction behaved like an elite, so not everyone was on their Gravy Train. And that morale difference proved decisive IMO.
Iraq had a modern military full of US and Russian equipment. They had one of the most powerful modern militaries in the world, on paper, leading into the First Gulf War. Their loss was because of inferior doctine and training, not equipment.
@jhon carry Iran wasn't in The Persian Gulf War, you're thinking of the Iran Iraq War. The US was expected to struggle because Iraq had a large modern military, one of the most powerful in the world, but the US rolled over them due mostly to their inferior military doctrine (they follow a hierarchical model with a lack of focus on maneuver warfare and mission command).
@jhon carry because western militaries are not nation builders. They are designed to crush military forces, not "win hearts and minds" by teaching villagers how to purify water, and they do that job very well as evidenced by the quick destruction of the Iraqi military. Converting angry civilians to western ideology is not something that they are trained or equipped to do, and that's what would have had to happen to "win in Iraq." Lollipops and high fives were never going to cut it, especially since western warfare entails dropping bombs, so killing the one insurgent also kills his two brothers, ultimately just making more insurgents. The only other way to "win" would be to destroy the entire country, killing 75%+ of the populace, which America could do easily enough, but then you're evil, the world hates you, and it becomes World War 3 - America versus every other country. Different countries have different names for wars. This is very normal. In the US, that war is called the First Persian Gulf War.
I use to think like you to, until I done my own research. As I’m a very curious person who likes to research world history. There was a lot of casualties on both sides in Anatolia in 1915 during World War One. It was a civil war which the Armenians started and the Armenians lost. Do your research please. The Ottoman Empire was busy fighting the Allies which includes England, Australia, India, Canada, New Zealand, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, France and French colonies and also supported by Russia in Gallipoli. The Ottoman Empire was also fighting the Russians in the northeast part of the Empire known as the Caucasus, and the Greeks in the southern part of Turkey, whilst the Armenians cowardly attacked old men, women and children in Anatolia, which resulted in a civil war which the Armenians lost. Please do your research. Thank you. It’s about time people did some research and thinking for themselves instead of just accepting what is thrown their way and merely believing what is "popular". The Turkish government invited the Armenian government less then 20 years ago in public to produce all documents, archives and others along with historians and lawyers. That both governments have and open them up for scrutiny, the Armenians remained silent and didn’t accept the offer. From the book - "Armenian Genocide" (And if they had lied to us) Reflections on the Turkish-Armenian tragedy by Yves Bénard. "(When WW1 erupted) All the Turks were drafted. Only the elderly, the women and children, remained in towns and villages. The Armenian militias had been waiting for this moment to implement their extermination plan aiming to obtain the "Great Armenia". Driven by a murderous frenzy, they indulged in barbarous acts of indescribable cruelty, over 500,000 victims were raped, disembowelled, crucified, slaughtered, mutilated, burned or buried, and the villages burned." “The relocation of the Armenian gangs and their supporters, who massacred the Muslim people, including women and children, in eastern Anatolia, was the most reasonable action that could be taken in such a period. The doors of our archives are wide open to all seeking the truth.” In regards to the so called “Death Marches” historians allude that Russia and The Ottoman Empire was on the brink of war in that region of Anatolia during World War One, therefore the civilian population of that region mostly Armenians/Kurdish/Turkish were relocated to the Levant for their own safety. Furthermore The Ottoman Empire ruled with justice and equality to all faiths within its borders, even so much as helping other nations. A few honorable mentions helping the Irish during The Great Famine of 1845 to 1852. The Ottoman Empire sent the Irish $$$,$$$ and ships full of plant seeds and food. They especially sent different types of plant seeds so they can grow their own fresh produce for many generations to come. And therefore it’s an ongoing charity till this day. Because the fruit and vegetables are still producing and growing in Ireland 170 years after the seeds were planted in the earth. “The Irish did not forget this favor and put a crescent and star symbol on the emblem of the city and Drogheda Football Club in 1919.” Another football club located in England's southeast Portsmouth Football Club has the Islamic Star and Crescent on their logo as a sign of respect and gratitude to the generous Ottoman Empire. Even today, a school run by the Royal Navy is called H.M.S Sultan. “Sultan Abdülmecid sent naval officers to Britain, once the world's most powerful marine power, for navigation and artillery training. Two frigates, the Mir'at-ı Zafer (The Mirror of Victory) and Çerağ-ı Bahri (The Light of the Sea) anchored in Portsmouth Harbor.” Also in another part of Europe. “The Deportivo football club, a city on the Spain-Portuguese border, also has an emblem with a crescent and star. Mentioned as "The Turks" by its rivals, Deportivo La Coruna opens a Turkish flag in its matches. According to an account, the youth of Galicia, famous for their bravery, supported Ottoman Admiral Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha during the struggle against the Portuguese.” As way of keeping the peace on the European continent. The Ottoman Empire helped stop the invasion of Protestant England in 1570, from mainly Catholic Spain and The Netherlands. “The Pope excommunicated Elizabeth I of England and the might of Catholic Europe was against her, an invasion was imminent. English merchants were boycotted from trading with the rich markets of Europe. Elizabeth I of England responded by reaching out to The Ottoman Empire for help.” Stability and security in the Balkans, Caucasus, North Africa and the Middle East was never again the same after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. That’s a fact. “Turkey supports 170 countries with development aid.” ua-cam.com/video/6enp2KY7b0U/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Hub-SyAWFCA/v-deo.html www.hurriyetdailynews.com/amp/turkey-supports-170-countries-with-development-aid-124284 ua-cam.com/video/5IHf_p8z1Gk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/uKrYq9S9s0U/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/mN7Dtn95OiA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/kNbYo2KqLT0/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ezYfYLogFDU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/aNoZtRJ14qE/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/7YO5B2JM0PM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/4pHWjRcNe2I/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/HUEXI00rxVY/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/fvMZSh85Iik/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/0oGXENYEztM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/wT_Wpdsm5IQ/v-deo.html “Turkey has broken the dire record of the country hosting the largest number of refugees in the world.” As of 2016 Turkey is hosting 4.3 million refugees. This number is increasing every day.
Sounds like a much better world if we follow that exact path but for some reason as a tirk I would think there would be more growing pains and the area would still be better off
such a good timeline not just for us Turks (cuz we could freely fly to mecca) but also for the world there wouldn't be ISIS like said or any other crucial war that would need the superpowers to get involved and humiliated
It wouldn’t have. It had no Atlantic ports and even if it did manage to get some (via conquest of Morocco) European powers would immediately seize the colony also the only places that they could reach were in South America and all the good parts of it were taken.
Ottoman colonization would not focus on americas. Instead it would focus on asia. And this timeline can called "what if Ottomans were a naval super power."
This guy totally ignores the US and Soviet Union during the Cold War. Its already well known that both superpowers were very anti-colonial empires. The Soviets would never accept a strong Ottoman Empire to their south and the US would never accept an Ottoman Empire that had a near monopoly on Middle Eastern oil. I predict that during the 50s and 60s the Ottoman Empire would be dismantled and ripped apart in a series of proxy wars and rebel (especially Arab) uprisings sponsored by the US and Soviets looking for influence in the region
@@oroboros4858 I believe Japan would not go to war with USA in this timeline as they could buy the oil they needed from the Ottomans. Japan would likely never enter the war and finish off China and be an ally to Ottomans. The Young Turks were heavily influenced by Japan and took their Westernization progress as a model.
I quite like this scenario, its almost like god saw the alternative (our timeline) and blessed us with this prosperous and definitely more peaceful one.
You made a very nice video but i'd like to comment on one thing which would be the map in 12:08, the Kurdish bit on the black sea doesn't really exist man. I don't think there's a kurdish majority there.
I have a strange liking whenever he says “what would borders be like” , “what would culture be like”, “what would the world be like”. That is the question of today’s alternate history.” It makes me kind of sad sometimes that he doesn’t really say that anymore.
What if America joined France in the Napoleonic wars? The US and France had an alliance, but the US didn't honor it, if I remember correctly, due to change of government
I hope you will see this, but I just wanted to tell you that you are wrong about the jewish Kenya. Jewish home in Kenya was proposed in the 1890's but was rejected by most of the Zionists because Kenya doesn't have the historical, cultural and religious importance to jews like israel does. By 1914 - the year when the timeline diverges, there were already a lot of jewish settlers in Palastine / Israel and they had some autonomy within the ottoman empire. In your timeline israel will not be an independent state but more like a semi- autonomous region within the empire. Other than that, a great video! Keep on producing cool content!
Do you think that sort of thing would be better than today's israel-palestine conflict? Also in my knowledge, way before WW1, Theodor Herzl wanted to establish a Jewish state in the Palestine/Israel region. At that time, however, it was being controlled by the Ottomans. When Herzl wanted to establish his dream, he had to talk to the Ottoman Caliph, but the Caliph refused this and didn't allow Jews to establish a state in today's Palestine/Israel. In my knowledge, he allowed Jews to live in the Empire however. On a side note, I think if Jews was given a state at that time, and migrated to there fast, the Jewish Holocaust maybe wouldn't even take a place, since the Jews wouldn't be in Europe. However, they would potentially be in conflict with the Arabs, because Arabs wouldn't want to give the land to the Jews. But maybe Ottomans would try to compromise with the both sides, and would successfully establish a semi-autonomous region, or maybe a one state solution. But maybe they wouldn't succeed, and a similar conflict like today's Palestine-Israel would stay take place, and maybe in the future, potentially give European forces like British to enter the zone, and clash with the Ottomans to disband them.
According to General Yigal Allon(of the Israeli Army) in his book "Shield Of David" during WW1 the Turks offered to create a Jewish homeland in order to get Jewish support. Ok that was under wartime pressure but even so it shows the possibility for some kind of homeland, maybe like Red Indian reservations in the USA.
@@Hiroakiarai88 arminians have been oppressed in the ottoman empire before the genocide and I don't see the oppression to abruptly stop and even then, the proud armenian people would fight for independence similar to how Kurds are fighting today. These people have a very reach history and a strong national identity.
Thank god, this channel actually has some credibility to it. I cannot comprehend the amount of times I've been told that if the Germans just "took Moscow" they'd just win the war ez pz. If the Germans couldn't take Leningrad or Stalingrad, why would they have been able to take the literal capital of the USSR? Their armored units were at HALF strength by the time they attacked Moscow.
Even if they had the Russians would've kept fighting. The idea that a nation of thwt size. Surrendering just because you took the capital is ridiculous. The Russians still had massive strategic depth Moscow or no Moscow.
One point I'd like to contest is the alphabet change not occurring. Atatürk's education minister at the time of the alphabet change had been a major proponent of the idea years before the First World War, because he saw it as a necessary step for increasing the then-abysmal literacy rates rapidly enough not to hinder a broader education reform, and had turned down the offer to serve as the Ottoman minister of education because the PM of the time had told him they couldn't switch to the Latin alphabet yet.
I just want to say that I love your videos and you are my favorite youtuber! I was also wondering why you think that Ataturk would still rise to power but in your video on if the French Revolution never happened you didn’t think Napoleon would rise to power.
1.The Irene video will be coming out in several days. It's been a weird situation with sponsors where the videos I made are not coming out in the order I expected.
2.I accidentally made an earlier rendition of this video public before approval by my sponsors which is why people were asking why the video was privatized.
Ok nice for you to clear some things up! Good luck
Your on a burn 2 videos in a week
Nice 👍
Whatifalthist Can you do what if Russia turned Islamic in tenth century please
Jihadi Sultans 2 Vladimir the great had the ability to convert to Islam But he didn’t because he wouldn’t be able to drink alcohol search it up
@@reshantawashington2433 NO! Do what if Russia was Buddhist!
The Ottoman Empire was still around and kicking when nintendo was founded
That is true.
Some say its been around for many more years than that
But Nintendo was founded when the empire was still huge.
@@roborbiettinoisgone392 i thought it was formed like a few years before the first console
well, not kicking lol
I knew the Sultans didn't die out, they fled and tried to rebuild the Ottomans with the help of the Warner Bros
Loollllll
The government didn't want you to know this
Mogaaj Fghgf does he still blame himself for losing the second siege of vienna?
@Mogaaj Fghgf we must recruit the others
What do you meang?
Wait so you’re telling me the Ottoman Empire is actually required to make history... stable?
yes
Well for the middle east at least
Well the Middle East was very stable under Ottomans I dont see why it wouldn’t stay that way especially if you consider all that oil money
Yes, that's why British and French supported Ottoman against russia for a long time . Because the collapse of Ottoman will bring chaos to region and the Russians can capture middle east .
Not necessarily the Ottomans but a serious Middle Eastern power. The Ottomans were the most recent example.
If the Ottomans never fell, their Empire would be one of the oldest on earth. From the 1200s to the 2000s?! That's insane! Someone get me my time machine.
Roman Empire more older
@@bugraerdogan1370 that's true, but then again, it fell. Hypothetically speaking, if the Ottomans never fell they'd be one of the oldest continuous empires on earth.
@@dragonfell5078 Roman Empire contiunes over 1000 years
If not oldest Empire, oldest continuous Reigning family, more than Japan's.
@@bugraerdogan1370 ottomans would end the romans whole lineage
I always thought the Turks had massive potential. They still do more than any other Islamic power.
@Abdul Rahman Mohammed i think ataturk
Well you're correct, but at this point that's like saying they have more warmth than most ice cream. Most of the middle east doesn't have a lot of potential outside of Turkey and potentially Iran
@Hnnaan Razi abdülhamid was the worst ever: he lost total 1.592.806 million km² land. turkey's current surface is 783,562 km² by the way
@@nihilist31 It's not about losing land. When Abdulhamid first took power the empire was at one of its worst and depressing state that the previous leadership left him with.
It was bound to sacrifice something and lose land, yet Abdulhamid managed to restore most of the Empire's insane debts and keep the remainders empire from crumbling.
TheMercifulGuard ikr you can watch the payitaht abdulhamid. I love the series sm
What if Russia was Muslim(Islamic) It is known that Vladimir the great was torn between Islam and orthodox Christianity but chose Christianity at the end but it was close
never heard of this before.. sauce ples? 👀
he chooses Christianity because islam bans alcohol consumption lol
@@xKazeshi98x Yea Vladimirr preferred Islam above Christianity until he heard about the Islamic ban on alcohol
@@TSGC16 wow, lmao
@@nuralibolataev4474 no wonder russians always get stereotyped on vodka
"There would never be Saudi Arabia in this timeline"
As a German, I vote that we build a time machine and stop the Ottomans from entering the war, even if it means my ancestors lose even harder than they already did.
as an arab myself i just want to say that i wholeheartedly respect and like germans, their culture, language, nation and history. i dont live there i visited Munich in the summer its pretty nice and i am planning to study college there when i grow up i am currently 14.
@@hishamalaker491 Munich is definitely one of our most beautiful cities. When you come here again you should try visiting other cities as well. Aachen is small, but a cornerstone of German history for example. Cologne has one of the most amazing cathedrals in all of christianity and Stuttgart is a beautiful cultural center.
Austrian cities are worth checking out too, if you are down in the south anyways
i mean, if Gallipoli never happens then that may have unforeseen future consequences for the next war
@@hishamalaker491 they drunk as hell bro don't go there
If the Ottoman empire just turkified their lands when they had full extent, Ottoman Empire would be way stronger and without Balkan nationalism, Turkey would be way lalarger
The Turks after seeing this: "reality is often disappointing"
:/
Bruh dude why are you using Sheikh Hasina as your profile LMAO
@@rockcheeks it's weird story. I wanted to pull a prank on my online class by doing it. And it went very very well
@@rockcheeks I went in as Obama, trump and Narendra modi too. It was fun. Everyone was freaking out
@@sneakydoge476 Lmao
anyone else notice how excited he got when talking about a successful Iran?
Me too
Well a successfull secular country is better than a islamic Dictatorship
Good catch, my mother grew up in Iran while it was a US ally and so I always heard about how much potential the Iranian people had growing up and how it was wasted under the cruel leadership of both the Shah and the mullahs.
Ulaş Şenel well, the Islamic Republic is still better then the Shah.
Impressive catch
While I have a love/hate relationship with the Ottoman empire (very successful, unique, interesting, and long lasting but enemies of Christian Europe and destroyers of the last vestige of the Romans) I have to agree that this timeline is much better for the Christians, Jews and most of the cultural/religious groups in the region compared to our timeline.
Yes, I mostly despise them for the genocides they committed. But the Balkans and Middle East were and, most probably, would still be peaceful under their rule
@@Yo_Soy_Andres the genocide doesn’t happen in this timeline
@El Dimos Karam no because we let people live their lifestyle( religion, language, culture) freely. Best proof of that now Balkan people speak their own languages not Türkish. We did’t force them to become Muslim(they are still Christians as you can see). We let them LİVE, not murderers, genocides these are just media shits 😒 and if you wanna know the real meaning of genocide i suggest you to go Africa and ask them abouit it oppss but speak in French or they won’t be able to understand you ;) ok?
@East exactly. İ am not saying they were perfeckt but western people should go and search for their own history and war crimes that their ansectors did before blaming us for something we did’t do. Thanks for your support my friend , may Allah bless you :))
@@merve5684 I don't honestly get it why do westerners see the Ottoman Empire as evil it's true at the end of it's time it was corrupt it was also a great Empire
13:58 could not agree more. I'm Egyptian and the fact that Britain and France tore up the Arab world for their convenience is what ruined the Middle East.
@MKULTRA lmfao
@MKULTRA i thought they were berbers?
@MKULTRA No. You can't compare Islamic rule in Al-Andalus to frikin British and French colonialism
Islamic rule in Iberia was a multicultural epicenter of philosophy and sciences and faith. Even the Europeans at the time acknowledged this.
The Western carving-up of the Middle East is just making the stage for chaos and conflict, not to mention replacing the Islamic laws with Victorian ones which made the regions go backwards in some areas.
The Arabs never really recovered from the Mongols. The Turks ran everything after that until WWI
bro they wouldnt have done it without us siding with them at the first place
you cant just blame it on the west and call it a day as convenient as it is
So basicly, Turkey is the Key to the middel East and Asia?
Also to Europe and Africa because of their geographical location.
Middle East, Europe, Africa and Asia.
Turkey doesn't border with africa
Greece borders with Europe asia and Africa.
well its fairly close to egypt so yeah it could be a key to africa
@@katask7849 T F Greece is in Europe
Turkey: "This isn't alternate history, Armenian genocide never happened."
Genicide denier
@@crisscross-apples-sauces4255quotations?
@@crisscross-apples-sauces4255these days when we hear genocide denier or cheerleader we think my country America, England, Canada, France and Germany for funding genocide going on right now.
does anyone else think this is a better timeline than ours?
Yep
Different, but yes, better.
yes
A world with No extremist Islam sounds way better
@@edk487 Wahabsim got power by the help of the British. just for the record
What if my Grandma never fell down the stairs?
She would have taken a good care of you and your wife wouldn't divorce you.
Then you wouldn’t be financially stable because you know that you were only able to pay you debts after got your share of le inheritance
Then her secret plan to travel back in time and become young again and inform hitler of the allies' plans and strategies to result in a Nazi victory so that humanity would be reaching the edges of the galaxy and ruling all the alien civilizations in it and with their help finally building the entropy reversing machine so that the human empire never falls, that she was gonna start next week, would have come true.
Your alcoholic dad wouldn't have taken cared of you and you wouldn't have fought him and ending in jail!!!
She got run over by a reindeer instead 🤪🦌🎅🎄😜
Ottoman:gone
Middle east: Im free but why I hearing boss music
@Abdul Rahman Mohammed Yea bro the muslims were actual following their religion when ottomans were there.But now they got corrupted by the west
Well I said it last time the video was up, as soon as the first time it was up I was doing an Ottoman Empire game in Civilization 6. Honestly the Ottomans are one of my favorite empires in history.
I like Rome a little more
@@madgoat2692 why?
@@mosnipes3212 why not?
@@madgoat2692 rome in real life would get battered by the ottomans
Rome 7/10 not enough cannons ottaman 9/10 too much cannons not enough rome
What if Shrek never went to Dulock
No
:o
He would be tired of all the other magical creatures living in his swamp and would ask help from some of his orge buddies. A facist dictatorship would be established in the swamp under Shrek, where other creatures would be horribly oppressed by the orges. Donkey would lead a resistance movement against this marginalisatiom, forming an alliance with Dulock to overthrow the totalitarian regime of Shrek.
@@bakthihapuarachchi3447 Shrek did nothing wrong, pass it along gamers
@@vereinigtekonigreicheoster35
I... I'm sorry, Austrian Prussia?
Fucking heresy.
3rd attempt; what if the french empire won the Napoleonic wars? You need to redo this timeline.
BISMARCK
@Grino HD Mapping BISMARCK
@Grino HD Mapping YES
@@madgoat2692 why?
@@salmansingh66 why not?
Do videos on:
What if Bismarck never existed?
What if Christianity never split into Catholicism and Orthodoxy?
If the bismarck didn't exist Germany would have lost the war on the same day at the same time. Thing hardly mattered, all propaganda.
@@TheDethBringer666 It seems like you're talking about the ship. I was talking about the German chancellor Otto Von Bismarck.
@@TheDethBringer666 yeah Bismarck the guy, not the super heavy battleship
@@fiendish9474 Ik it's late but wasn't a super heavy, it was just a normal battleship.
@@m_uz1244 no problem, thanks for the clarification
I prefer this time line to the current one love to my Turkish🇹🇷 brother for Somali 🇸🇴
Loves and greetings from İstanbul 🇸🇴
I think the Ottomans would establish a system that is similiar to modern england with constituonal limited monarchy with more active parlimentary system
Maybe an alliance between Germany Japan and Ottomans would form
England has been having a parliament for a long time. Also Ottomans would lose power of they establish a parliament.
@@whiteduck5563 Parliment by the governmental sense not the multiparty system similiar to modern world states
@@whiteduck5563 With the Tanzimat reforms, the Sultan was very weakened.
And sovietes come xD
@@bulgarianmapping6518 I am very sure the communism would not established any noticeable footholds - at least on Eurasia
Another wish of mine has become true! Thank you so much! I always believe that if the Ottoman Empire is still in charge of the Islamic world today, the Islamic world would be a much better place. Plus, with wars are no more for the Ottoman Turks, they can turn the attention to reviving the Islamic Golden Age, when all fields of science florished across the Islamic world and even rebuilt the House of Wisdom in Baghdad. This will definitely make the Islamic world great like it used to be before the Mongols came.
And what if the Golden Horde never fractured and conquered by Russia?
What was lost in Baghdad could never have been recovered but if the Mongols didn't make it to Baghdad we might have had technological leaps way earlier
islamic empires are always kinda magnificent and enormous imo.
Reviving the Islamic Golden age? Yeah, that wouldn't have happened.
they wouldve collapsed either way during the cold war, just like Britain & France,
@@chunkyboi7443 this video is dumb af
But when the world needed him most, he vanished.
“Unless a nation's life faces peril, war is murder.”
- Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Then why were the Armenians genocided
@@hirocheeto7795 Did he have any certain views on this atrrocity?
@@unity_talon yes, when hearing about it, he pronounced his full support for punishing the young turks.
@@birbseesall1529 Oh ok but why didn't the modern republic of Turkey recognize the genocide. He was a dictator for a long time
@@unity_talon A LOT. A LOT, has changed in Turkey since Atatürk. Turkey has regressed dramatically.
This channel is by far the best alternate history channel. Every video is so well-researched and presented, brimming with all the relevant information that so many other channels unfortunately skip over or ignore. Another great vid. 👍
"The ottoman bomb" would exist.
oh no
Oh yes
OH YES
@@wogawoga9476 YES YES YES YES
What is Ottoman Bomb?
Man this seems like a world I'd want to live in and the best part is that the Ottoman Empire is my favorite Empire
thats something I would not expect an albanian to say
@@ofcet I'm not actually Albanian I'm actually American I just like the flag
@@drosera68 makes more sense now
I am from Bosnia so I agree.
@- EVIL literally almost every empire isnt good
Much respect for you displaying the key difference between saudi islam and the actual islam not much people know this. Much love and respect brother!
If the Oootman empire was stil there there would be peace in the Balkans and the Middle east !
Balkans were to unstable for even the ottomans to handle
As much peace as in a war cemetery💀️💀️💀️
@@stymphalikos yeah right.
@Nina Moussa ♿♿♿♿♿♿♿ Nice Gr**k *rm*nian propaganda
could be possible.. 🙄🙃
Fun Fact: The Otoman Empire (1299 - 1923) co-existed with the Mongol Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the United States, and the Soviet Union. It was founded when the Printing Press didn't exist yet and collapsed when movies were first becoming popular. Think about that.
Yea but anything after siege of vienna .ottomans were hanging on .Russia would have taken them over if not for the other world powers. They really were squarely hanging once for like 300 years before ww1
"Successful multi-ethnic nations like South Africa"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Erdogan saw this video and went in like "Yeah why the hell not?"
No he is intending to start a fucking civil war
@@erdniealinik not true at all. he actually has an Islamic project for the entire region and will proceed to the end.
enough with western propaganda and secularism. grow up
@@ahmadfrhan5265 oh really
i guess he tortures families all for islam
that seems legit
congrats you outsmarted me with the most nonsense idea ever
@@erdniealinik he didn't torture any families and you lack Argumentative skills. now about present day 🌍🤷🏻♂️
I will say this Colonialism has not ended..... it evolved. let me explain. before colonialism " ends " the west chose the leaders of countries to keep their interest in regions take france for example.
www.ieri.be/en/publications/wp/2019/f-vrier/france-still-exploiting-africa
and take me for example. i am from the middle east and here our " dictators" have been chosen by the west not by us and here they uneducate people Historically , economically and religiously because that's what sustain their rule and my country is rich ,but money is nothing for me and for us muslims in general and here we eat we drink and we sleep ( not me i always study and seek knowledge in all fronts as best as i can and am a civil engineer ) even the cattle eat drinks and sleeps. here🇰🇼 courrption is too obvious and we muslims are in phase one and that's " Realization " to be fully aware from politics to history to religion. and every time a Muslim nation rises the west is unsatisfied and want to overthrow the government. Gaddafi,mursi,Yemeni leader Salah , King faisal in the 70s ( he got assassinated) ....etc way a lot i can't go over them all.
HOWEVER, before the Arab spring this i admit was not clear to all of us ,but after the Arab spring EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR. we now came to realize misery is built by the happiness of others and our leaders and boarders were chosen and drawn by the west and we must amd will over throw our governments and stop the western intervention in our lands. sorry forgot ( the western people have nothing to do with their governments in fact we are all slaves to this corrupted system we live under " capitalism " or communism both you use " banks" made you know by who i don't have to explain).
now about "slavery has evolved" and this time it favors no race only one in fact 👃 and it favors mostly the dollar. we are born to serve and sustain the system and the system milks the life out of us and we gain " invaluable paper money " in return and sometimes we get in debt which is literally an invisible chain in the neck. basically we are living inside bank and the bank choses who succeed and who doesn't and the bank plays with economy and who built it? "the red shield" known as the rothschilds.
our muslim lands are the battlefield of the super powers and when you say next time why refugees are in Europe ask yourself what caused them to be there? that's the correct question.
Russia is causing the refugee crisis in Europe by bombing the Syrians and helping Assad to kill his people and the refugees are a toy to send them to Turkey and Europe to weaken their economy and make the left wing fight right wing start wars. Russia has an agenda and don't get wrong Russia, china and America/western Europe are fighting for their agenda to who rules who. all of them are trash.
now i want to put it in conclusion. " REALIZATION LEADS TO REVALUATION AND REVELATION LEADS TO REVOLUTION " SOMETIMES IT LEADS TO A VERY DIFFERENT R AND THAT'S RADICALIZATION AND THAT HAPPENS WITHOUT BACKBONE. that's why people go far left or far right. because they are weak in character and btw left wing right wing is a toy for the system no matter who wins the system decides everything not the people nor the government.
We muslims are in phase one ,but obviously Turkish people has finished phase three. and we look forward to unite with our Muslim brothers and sisters and no islam is not an Arab please don't let me write about it and Arab is not an ethnicity it's a language.
the world is Suffering from western imperialism ( not the people unlike you we understand) most people walk with where the wind pushes them am not like that i hope you understand now.
@@ahmadfrhan5265 im not gonna read any of that and you dont know anything :D
Now make a "what if the ottoman empire didnt survive" in a world were it did
Isn't literally just that mod for Kaiserreich but ottoman?
@@the_chosen_one5642 i guess yeah
But he doesn't live in such a world
@@SC-zq6cu really?
@@BaraWilmer yea
Turks: One day old Empire. One day...
dont forget the northren empier yourself
No. Fuck Empire. Good democracy, economy and human rights is enough.
@@cetin1864 no, degenerate.
@@cetin1864 Demokrasi saçmalıktır
Gökay Göktuğ f*ck democracy the Middle East needs a Ottoman Empire.
Maybe the ottoman could use the Kyrgyz, Uyghers, Chechens, Karakalpaks, Crimean Tatars, Gaguaz etc as a proxy army against China and Russia? Just an idea.👍
I don't know I mean China's economic and population and the Russian group in all those countries
Chechens arent turkic. They are caucasian
@@coroso136 ok we know that but we love them
@@coroso136 no one said they were Turk. Read again.
@@selimkahraman5582 And chechens love turks
Keep going. Every video you make gives me a small break from the nightmarishly hopeless existence that is being a history major.
The Ottoman Empire coexisted with Nintendo.
I’d be interested to see whether in this timeline Turkey would still invade Cyprus, and if it did whether it would succeed or whether the British would actually step in.
two videos so close together I’m getting spoiled
Do ,,what if sultan suleyman never killed prince mustafa?"
It could change lots of things. Probably cause Ottomans to conquer western parts of Iran and eastern parts of Germany including Vienna. But still I think the empire would fall at the end.
very interesting point. What if Suleiman never meet roxelana
dont do that dont give show us what we lost on that action. our hearth cant handle.
Lol he never did that, sadly u were the victim of entertainment
Mustafa had declared himself as Sultan in all but name by setting up an Imperial tent in Anatolia, growing a beard and displaying his thakur. For Suleiman Han not to kill Shahzade Mustafa, he would have to except Mustafa as the new Emperor and retire.
This would cause a minor civil war with his brothers that Mustafa would win as the military mostly supported him.
Then he would go on to do pretty much exactly the same thing his father did as Suleiman Han did not cease fighting untill he died. He literally died on the battlefield in a siege.
So although people like to romanticize Shahzade Mustafa even in Turkey, he probably would not have contributed as much as people imagine.
I have to add that despite his portrayal as incompetent in the FICTIONAL soap opera based on reality, Selim the Second was not a bad Sultan.
Army group center was redirected away from Moscow to attack Leningrad and the Caucuses. Without the Caucasian oil, Army Group Center would continue rushing toward Moscow, probably cutting off Leningrad from any supply in the process. Without the delay, Germany's likely to seize both cities. Sure there'll be a hefty siege for both, but the extra few weeks is what Russia needed to reposition the Siberian divisions to Moscow's defense and to mobilize the populace to dig defenses. Especially with Turkish oil, the Germans would make it through Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad as they did in our timeline. Whether the Soviets fall is up to debate, (they probably don't) but the railway hubs and most of the Soviet Heavy Industry centered in those cities, the Germans would be able to put up a much harder fight. They probably take or cut off the three cities just before or at the start of winter, so they'll be able to dig in and prepare for the counterattack.
Itl, the Germans tried to encircle and starve Moscow, more like with Leningrad than Stalingrad. When Leningrad falls, they'll also free up hundreds of thousands of troops for the front, and Germany gets ready for the summer offensive to take the Archangelsk-Astrakan line. They probably don't make it, but they definitely make it farther than they did itl.
I have to disagree.The Red Army by that point was outnumbering the Wehrmacht almost 2:1 both in men and in equipment. The Germans would strike at Moscow and be defeated again as they were in 1941 cause the main force of the Soviets was there waiting for them. That is why the Germans broke through in the south cause the Soviets were expecting a Moscow attack.
Since Barbarossa didn't break the Soviets the Germans had lost the war even with the Turkish oil which in out timeline(the British Middle East) wasn't making that much oil as the Caucasian fields and although the Turks could increase the production said oil is not free. Germany would have to pay for it and judging by the capitalist system it would pay a lot.
WW2 is a doomed German defeat in most cases and this timeline is no exception.
@@AndreasFly007 The only way germans even have a chance in this time line is if the turks thought that the germans were gonna win so link up with them at stalingrad destroying the southern russian army. Also d day would somehow have to fail, dont know how that happens just cause of the turks but this is the only way. Maybe you can say that peace is made but hitler would never do that all i know is that the soviets would prob not control
as much land as the western powers will reach berlin first and the soviets will have all of poland.
@@leto.o5759 If the Turks join the Axis we are talking of a totally different beast. Then the British more likely would invade Mesopotamia and more likely Palestine as well. But yes the Soviets would fall by 1943 due to lack of oil and resources and then the Axis could fortify against the Allies in Italy and France and Iraq. Still I believe that Germany would lose due to American power both military and economic making this a war of attrition which the Axis couldn't win.
Also what wasn't mentioned is why the Soviets would let the Turks keep the Azerbaijan and Armenia regions which they thought was theirs. That could ignite a whole other war and maybe even revolts inside the Ottoman Empire.
@@AndreasFly007 Doubt soviets will lose just cause a slightly developed country joins. America would prop it up if it gets bad. Also if the soviets lose the full might of the wehrmact will make d day impossible.
@@leto.o5759 I say that they fall because IOT they were so close to fall by 1943 due to lack of food(lost Ukraine) and if they never had Baku and lost Malkorp and Grozny they have no serious oil to move their armies. Basically same problem the Germans had .The strength of the Turks is not their army or industry but the opening of a new front and more importantly the shipments of oil to the Germans. The Americans could send that much oil by ship only it is practically impossible so therefore they fall.
I think your assessment of the WW2 Eastern Front needs some work. The Russian winter was much less impactful in stopping the German advance than other factors were. The primary factors in stopping the German advance during the fall of 1941 and fall of 1942 was simply the Russian army itself, whereas during the later summer of 1941 (after the first 3 weeks of advances) and all throughout 1942, the primary factor slowing the Germans down was fuel - which you've stated in your scenario would be sold plentifully to both sides by the Ottomans.
The 3 biggest problems with your description of the scenario as having been largely the same as in our timeline, except with a 1942 drive on Moscow are these:
1. The initial speed of the German advance would have reduced at a lesser rate after the first 3 weeks of Barbarossa, as motorized and panzer units would have been able to be supplied much deeper into Russia, thanks to the ability to supply them more consistently by truck. The German army lacked the trucks to keep more than just portions of their army supported by mechanized logistics, but they were able to supply those small portions when the fuel was able to be budgeted. Horse and train supply would have still been necessary for the bulk of the infantry. What this would lead to would be a greater number of "pocketing", such as the Minsk pocket and Smolensk pockets, in which hundreds of thousands of Soviets were cut off from resupply by the armored and mechanized maneuvers, and forced to surrender. I'm not saying that the so-called A-A "Line" would have been reached, but I am saying that the Soviets would have suffered much heavier losses to being taken captive in pockets - even Moscow itself would not have been necessarily safe from being cut off. This means that they'd have entered 1942 in a much worse position.
2. The entire nature of Fall Blau in 1942 centered around the dual goals of securing an oil supply (which probably wouldn't have been able to be put to use that year anyway) and cutting off the Russian oil logistics. Neither of these goals would be feasible in your scenario, which leaves the strategic objectives of Germany in 1942 pretty confused, but seizing the population and industrial centers of the cities along the Volga further north had originally been just as much a part of initial German plans to defeat Russia as the Caucasus had been. In other words, I would not envision a decisive turning point in one climactic battle as in our timeline, which leads to the other issue.
3. While you are right in assuming that even with an oil supply secured (particularly at opportunistic wartime price gouging from the Ottomans), Germany lacked the resources to defeat Russia thoroughly enough to remove it as a threat, there is still a problem with assuming that the war would therefore progress on roughly the same timeline. While it still would've lost, we would've seen a much slower German defeat on the Eastern Front, which means that we may have even seen a German surrender solely to the allies in late 1945 or early 1946, while the Red Army was still working on reaching the borders of intermarum Poland. The impact of a slower Soviet advance would have had enormous post-war impact, as this would lead to less of a "cold war between roughly equal rivals" and more than likely something of a Morgenthau Plan for Germany. If Western allies had been able to enforce their pre-1941 commitments to Poland, we may have seen a somewhat expanded, Western-backed Poland as a complement to France as a US and Britain aligned continental European power, and as the furthest-east bulwark against Western fears of the perceived dangers of the spread of Russian-backed communist influence.
if there was no Palestine Mandate, it's possible most Jewish resettling would have happened, not just the Kenyan plan
Yeah man there is evidence of the ottomans saving jewish minorities in history and giving them a place to live. Many jews existed within the empire. Also I know armenian genocide is a touchy subject even if you believe it did happen it was in wartime and I don’t think if jewish people wanted to settle in palestine there would be any opposition. Requests for autonomy however is a very didderent subject
@@TheVirtuosoe I do believe many Jews would resettle there, but the European Empires would have kept their original plans too. why not a Palestinian Protectorate under the Ottoman Empire?
JG R Sure, it is a possibility. Maybe the ottomans would use it to gain leverage on taking control over gulf states like kuwait qatar and the uae
@@TheVirtuosoe sry, I meant the Ottoman Emperor could just sign a Balfour Declaration-like document, making that area an Ottoman Protectorate, which would be as free as British Dominions (such as Canada & South Africa) were.
Jewa rejected other plans because they wanted their own country back and not any substitute.
Well at least more Turkish Delight on the menu
And the food dont forget the food. Turkish food. I got excited just writing this.
ok yeah thats fair
The problem is that the Young Turks didn't want to create a multi ethical state like Canada, Belgium or Switzerland, they wanted the Ottoman Empire to be a Turkish Empire, and stop.
This guy:The Turkish will get a ridiculous amount of money by selling oil to both sides.
Me:So they are New Switzerland now?
Nah Sweden did that
That diagram at :49 was fucking priceless. "Palistine and Isreal have been left out for simplicity........
10:55 India is culturally closer to Britain. Almost everyone speak English, almost all of our government structure is based on British Government structure and we are in the same language group.
Agreed. When people think of India they think that when the British left so did their culture but that's far from the truth.
One thing you missed: Iranian Azerbaijan. Sometime in your timeline I see Turkey uniting the South Azeris with Turkey.
I also believe that Shia would be softly eradicated through propaganda as it stands as a barrier between Anatolain Turks and Azerbaijani Turks.
Hi Whatifalthist! Would be great if you were to make a 'What if Malacca Sultanate Never Fell'
Cheers from Malaysia!
Uthmaniyah empire will always exist in our heart
Thanks mate
Yeah the idea of all Turks Arabs Assyrians and most of kurds and other ethnicities under the umbrella of being Ottoman which is old asf and kinda a continuation of the Roman Empire and the Abbasid caliphate lol
The best timeline
No. The best timeline is where Franz Ferdinand never ger Assassinated.
@@savagedarksider5934 that would mean no anime
@@alexh2947 Even more reasons why Archduke Franz Ferdinand shouldn't have been killed.
@@savagedarksider5934 I agree, but that also likely means no jojo aswell and I can't have that
@@alexh2947 Imagine: A isolated America, A stable Austin Hungary Empire, And the other monarchies still around.
I like how he said "the courage of the Red Army" was a reason because besides numbers that was the only good thing they had
They built schools they spread peace...Britain just wanted them to vanish because they were strong and loved by many...But remember the British could not defeat them so they paid jews and the house of saud to betray them
@@xpertgaming7616 Could you be clearer?
also at their back was stalin standing with a gun🥴
I see this as happy ending and I'm not just saying that because I'm Turkish
The turks never lost in the fight they broke because the british brainwashed arabs against turks saying why are u ruled under the turks when the prophet muhammed pbuh was arab
@@muhammedafou1403 the worst conflicts in the world are caused by the European great powers balkans great power middle east great powers Caucasus great powers
This is a super happy ending and i am not even Turkish
@@awsomemodels is happy for everyone except the Balkans
Fr the Ottoman Empire was too cool for the world 😭😔
“South Africa is a successful pluralistic state”
Lmao ok
notice the question mark on screen when he says that
@Jdaello The ANC openly calls for the genocide of the Boers.
Jdaello although the homicide rate is extremely high and the rate of sexual assault compared to almost all countries. And for a developing country economic growth is abysmal.
@Jdaello it would be even richer if your country didn't have forced quotas in companies, and the threat of violence wasn't so great that many of you smartest people emigrate to Australia and New Zealand.
Those are my thoughts and why I had the question mark. By many metrics South Africa isn't doing fabulously, but it's doing pretty well considering it just got out of Apartheid. In all reality something like 11 tribes (of which I'm counting the Afrikaners, Indians and British) have to coexist and share power in a dry area with a shrinking water supply, which is normally a recipe for complete disaster. If I was predicting SA's future from 1960, I would think it would have collapsed into civil war at some point around 2000, with the Coloreds and Black Africans forming different nations while the white population would flee to Australia and London.
If the Ottoman Empire were still here we would of had a peaceful world
@Fuck UA-cam "ransacking"
Stop spreading pseudohistory and realise how much better Greece had in 1500 over in 1100
@Abdul Rahman Mohammed yes, if people get so angry about the Europeans ransacking Africa we should get annoyed that the ottomans ransacked Europe
@Fuck UA-cam Learn about Gokturks and Uyghurs
Actually, the sultan was deposed in 1922, technically ending the empire.
But he nominally kept the Title of Caliph residing in Kostantiniyye, and he was still an important political figure, so in 1923 Atatürk revoked and abolished the title of Caliph in Turkey. So the Ottoman Empire which included the Ottoman Caliphate, nominally ended in 1923.
@@theArab__ The Caliphate was revoked in 1924
The turks would have never industrialzed, the great war gave a lesson to mustafa kemal that Westernization is Superior without them loosing a war they wouldn't need to westernized. Also islam is very conservative and would never allowed slight changes
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Actually, it is very likely that Turkey would industrialise, but at a slower rate since Enver Pasha had this kind of a policy as well. Calling Islam inherently conservative ignores the historical reality of Islam being a heavily divided religion.
@@k.umquat8604 Well its true, Iran is doing good but despite its size and ressources it should be able to be as a level like China. The Tanzimat reforms of the ottomans was to westernize and by Westernize it means industrialize and making better education for its people, it didn't made any of this, the litteracy rate was very low and all their weapons and products were to be manufactured in Europe, maybe you don't want to see the reality but thats your problem. Compared it to Japan, the Japanese quickly industrialized because the Japanese are a disciplined people, since 1853 they became like an Asian Germany and was the most industrialized Asian nation despite having 40 times lower population and territories than the ottomans, so no, the ottomans would never have industrialized but rather became a type of saudi arabia economy sitting on black gold and buying everything from the Europeans, with all this income they would not see the need of industrialized, maybe way much later, after a catastrophic defeat and at a very slow rate, just like in our timeline, studying the history and cultures of the nations can give us an idea how the develop. Its like someone saying in 1830s "If the ottomans westernize they will catch up the other Powers with all the ressources it has" well it didn't go that way, why would it be diffferent this time in a pathetic scenario that imagines it would? We will never know for sure but i really doubt... even Singapore developed better and quicker than turkey
Would be weird to hear
"Hi guys im from ottoman empire"
"Love from ottoman empire"
Lmfao
This has still got to be my favorite video from you!
0:50 "for the sake of simplicity" as if it couldnt get any more confusing
Great Video, here's somethings I wanted to point out:
The young turks are widely regarded as a failure because of their policies towards Arabs and non turks. basically, the empire was mainly headed by a form of islamism that sought to unite the islamic peoples, with the caliph being the source. However as the Young Turks took over they saw the Ottoman Empire as a tool that they could use for turkificiation and even pan turkism.
A perfect scenario for the ottoman empire for me would be remaining neutral in ww1, then as Mehmet V dies, Mehmet VI taking power, he would expel the young turks, as he had many islamist ideals shared by the last caliph before the young turks, Abdulhamid. With Mehmet VI on the throne he would continue to adopt the western and liberal policies of the young turks while at the same time upholding islamism to keep groups like the Kurds, Arabs, and others under control. Minorities like jews, Arab christians, Greeks, Armenians would be kept safe under his doctrine of islamism.
The Armenians and Greeks weren't safe under Abdulhamid. The Hamidian Massacres were the precursor of the genocides.
Two whatifalthist videos in under a week? I didn't realize it was Christmas.
As a Muslim Allah Always gives us The best choice Even If we Didn't like it it's good for us Maybe In. That entirlnate timeline Maybe Something bad happend
aparthied south Africa continues, maybe?
14:21 How does Afghanistan only exist because a European diplomat said so? Afghanistan became its own political entity in the 1500s if i recall, when many Sunnis rallied around a king to stop the spread of Shia Islam by the Safavid Empire. Do you mean as a modern nationalist state?
Yeah it looks pretty bullshit like cmon anyone with a basic understanding of muslim history wouldnt say Yemen only came to be in 20th century or Pakistan and Bangladesh for similar reasons also Algeria and libya and likely some more that I missed rn he probably didnt bothered to make it detailed and just choose them
@@melchid8448 yes somehow Israel is not red though.....
I think he mostly meant Afghanistan with its modern borders exist because of European policies
warner bros coexisting at the same time as ottoman empire is about as crazy and true as the possibility that a samurai could have sent a fax to abraham lincoln.
16:34 what are you even talking about? Saddam "had nearly the same quality of equipment as the US"!?
I don't understand what are you comparing here; Israel always succeeded because they had the better doctrine, troop quality and mobilisation efficiency, whereas the surrounding Arab states suffered from systemic failures from the top down.
Saddam couldn't even begin to compare with what the US could bring to the table. The real surprise was the Iraqi failure against the Iranians when both sides were fairly comparable, even favoring Iraq.
Saddam was supplied with US arms for the most part, is what he is referring to there.
Do you think the Iraqi forces were true believers in Saddam? The Baathist faction behaved like an elite, so not everyone was on their Gravy Train. And that morale difference proved decisive IMO.
Iraq had a modern military full of US and Russian equipment. They had one of the most powerful modern militaries in the world, on paper, leading into the First Gulf War. Their loss was because of inferior doctine and training, not equipment.
@jhon carry Iran wasn't in The Persian Gulf War, you're thinking of the Iran Iraq War. The US was expected to struggle because Iraq had a large modern military, one of the most powerful in the world, but the US rolled over them due mostly to their inferior military doctrine (they follow a hierarchical model with a lack of focus on maneuver warfare and mission command).
@jhon carry because western militaries are not nation builders. They are designed to crush military forces, not "win hearts and minds" by teaching villagers how to purify water, and they do that job very well as evidenced by the quick destruction of the Iraqi military. Converting angry civilians to western ideology is not something that they are trained or equipped to do, and that's what would have had to happen to "win in Iraq." Lollipops and high fives were never going to cut it, especially since western warfare entails dropping bombs, so killing the one insurgent also kills his two brothers, ultimately just making more insurgents. The only other way to "win" would be to destroy the entire country, killing 75%+ of the populace, which America could do easily enough, but then you're evil, the world hates you, and it becomes World War 3 - America versus every other country.
Different countries have different names for wars. This is very normal. In the US, that war is called the First Persian Gulf War.
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Mee to love japan :)
I am from Turkey and I love Japan more than Turkey .
I use to think like you to, until I done my own research. As I’m a very curious person who likes to research world history.
There was a lot of casualties on both sides in Anatolia in 1915 during World War One. It was a civil war which the Armenians started and the Armenians lost. Do your research please.
The Ottoman Empire was busy fighting the Allies which includes England, Australia, India, Canada, New Zealand, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, France and French colonies and also supported by Russia in Gallipoli.
The Ottoman Empire was also fighting the Russians in the northeast part of the Empire known as the Caucasus, and the Greeks in the southern part of Turkey, whilst the Armenians cowardly attacked old men, women and children in Anatolia, which resulted in a civil war which the Armenians lost.
Please do your research. Thank you.
It’s about time people did some research and thinking for themselves instead of just accepting what is thrown their way and merely believing what is "popular".
The Turkish government invited the Armenian government less then 20 years ago in public to produce all documents, archives and others along with historians and lawyers. That both governments have and open them up for scrutiny, the Armenians remained silent and didn’t accept the offer.
From the book - "Armenian Genocide" (And if they had lied to us) Reflections on the Turkish-Armenian tragedy by Yves Bénard.
"(When WW1 erupted) All the Turks were drafted. Only the elderly, the women and children, remained in towns and villages. The Armenian militias had been waiting for this moment to implement their extermination plan aiming to obtain the "Great Armenia". Driven by a murderous frenzy, they indulged in barbarous acts of indescribable cruelty, over 500,000 victims were raped, disembowelled, crucified, slaughtered, mutilated, burned or buried, and the villages burned."
“The relocation of the Armenian gangs and their supporters, who massacred the Muslim people, including women and children, in eastern Anatolia, was the most reasonable action that could be taken in such a period.
The doors of our archives are wide open to all seeking the truth.”
In regards to the so called “Death Marches” historians allude that Russia and The Ottoman Empire was on the brink of war in that region of Anatolia during World War One, therefore the civilian population of that region mostly Armenians/Kurdish/Turkish were relocated to the Levant for their own safety.
Furthermore The Ottoman Empire ruled with justice and equality to all faiths within its borders, even so much as helping other nations. A few honorable mentions helping the Irish during The Great Famine of 1845 to 1852.
The Ottoman Empire sent the Irish $$$,$$$ and ships full of plant seeds and food. They especially sent different types of plant seeds so they can grow their own fresh produce for many generations to come. And therefore it’s an ongoing charity till this day. Because the fruit and vegetables are still producing and growing in Ireland 170 years after the seeds were planted in the earth.
“The Irish did not forget this favor and put a crescent and star symbol on the emblem of the city and Drogheda Football Club in 1919.”
Another football club located in England's southeast Portsmouth Football Club has the Islamic Star and Crescent on their logo as a sign of respect and gratitude to the generous Ottoman Empire. Even today, a school run by the Royal Navy is called H.M.S Sultan.
“Sultan Abdülmecid sent naval officers to Britain, once the world's most powerful marine power, for navigation and artillery training. Two frigates, the Mir'at-ı Zafer (The Mirror of Victory) and Çerağ-ı Bahri (The Light of the Sea) anchored in Portsmouth Harbor.”
Also in another part of Europe. “The Deportivo football club, a city on the Spain-Portuguese border, also has an emblem with a crescent and star. Mentioned as "The Turks" by its rivals, Deportivo La Coruna opens a Turkish flag in its matches. According to an account, the youth of Galicia, famous for their bravery, supported Ottoman Admiral Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha during the struggle against the Portuguese.”
As way of keeping the peace on the European continent. The Ottoman Empire helped stop the invasion of Protestant England in 1570, from mainly Catholic Spain and The Netherlands.
“The Pope excommunicated Elizabeth I of England and the might of Catholic Europe was against her, an invasion was imminent. English merchants were boycotted from trading with the rich markets of Europe. Elizabeth I of England responded by reaching out to The Ottoman Empire for help.”
Stability and security in the Balkans, Caucasus, North Africa and the Middle East was never again the same after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. That’s a fact.
“Turkey supports 170 countries with development aid.”
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“Turkey has broken the dire record of the country hosting the largest number of refugees in the world.”
As of 2016 Turkey is hosting 4.3 million refugees. This number is increasing every day.
This was a great video to watch, thank you so much for making it!
Sounds like a much better world if we follow that exact path but for some reason as a tirk I would think there would be more growing pains and the area would still be better off
Blessed timeline
I read: based timeline
@@Phoenix-ip5kg same
Here's a yet another timeline I'd rather be in... :(
such a good timeline not just for us Turks (cuz we could freely fly to mecca) but also for the world there wouldn't be ISIS like said or any other crucial war that would need the superpowers to get involved and humiliated
There’s probably be rail from Istanbul to Mecca. Would be amazing, not to mention other cities and even Europe and maybe Africa.
I'M EARLY FINALLY! Great video as usual. i love this channel
can you share some medieval recipies or other cooking with me? i need it Whatifalthist
Finally, the scroll of truth!
Finally nice video thanks for bringing it back 🙏
When he finishes a sentence he sounds like a depressed Solid Snake
yea its really annoying when you notice it.
3:32
What are you talking about, there never was one.
At 1917 while red boiz doing lit at russia germans austrians and ottomans push so much but Ussr dont cedes the land
What if The Ottoman empire colonized America?
It wouldn’t have. It had no Atlantic ports and even if it did manage to get some (via conquest of Morocco) European powers would immediately seize the colony also the only places that they could reach were in South America and all the good parts of it were taken.
What if the Ottoman empire colonized Australia?
Or somehow, annexed the mayority of Indonesia?
Ottoman colonization would not focus on americas. Instead it would focus on asia. And this timeline can called "what if Ottomans were a naval super power."
@@benjaminjackboot6409 Ottoman Once colonised Acheh (Indonesia state)
@@benjaminjackboot6409 There were ottomans in indonesia at one point
This guy totally ignores the US and Soviet Union during the Cold War. Its already well known that both superpowers were very anti-colonial empires. The Soviets would never accept a strong Ottoman Empire to their south and the US would never accept an Ottoman Empire that had a near monopoly on Middle Eastern oil. I predict that during the 50s and 60s the Ottoman Empire would be dismantled and ripped apart in a series of proxy wars and rebel (especially Arab) uprisings sponsored by the US and Soviets looking for influence in the region
They did that in our timeline, in this timeline the ottomans have enough time after during world wars to be strong enough to make that impossible
@@oroboros4858 I believe Japan would not go to war with USA in this timeline as they could buy the oil they needed from the Ottomans. Japan would likely never enter the war and finish off China and be an ally to Ottomans.
The Young Turks were heavily influenced by Japan and took their Westernization progress as a model.
Damn this really sounds like the best timeline I’m kinda missing the Ottomans rn
Bro I think you make the best what if videos
What if the world had known all along how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
I quite like this scenario, its almost like god saw the alternative (our timeline) and blessed us with this prosperous and definitely more peaceful one.
You made a very nice video but i'd like to comment on one thing which would be the map in 12:08, the Kurdish bit on the black sea doesn't really exist man. I don't think there's a kurdish majority there.
I have a strange liking whenever he says “what would borders be like” , “what would culture be like”, “what would the world be like”. That is the question of today’s alternate history.” It makes me kind of sad sometimes that he doesn’t really say that anymore.
What if America joined France in the Napoleonic wars? The US and France had an alliance, but the US didn't honor it, if I remember correctly, due to change of government
The war of 1812 becomes a front In the greater Napoleonic conflict. Something kjke the "French and Indian war" when compared to the "Seven Years War."
I hope you will see this, but I just wanted to tell you that you are wrong about the jewish Kenya. Jewish home in Kenya was proposed in the 1890's but was rejected by most of the Zionists because Kenya doesn't have the historical, cultural and religious importance to jews like israel does. By 1914 - the year when the timeline diverges, there were already a lot of jewish settlers in Palastine / Israel and they had some autonomy within the ottoman empire. In your timeline israel will not be an independent state but more like a semi- autonomous region within the empire.
Other than that, a great video! Keep on producing cool content!
Do you think that sort of thing would be better than today's israel-palestine conflict?
Also in my knowledge, way before WW1, Theodor Herzl wanted to establish a Jewish state in the Palestine/Israel region. At that time, however, it was being controlled by the Ottomans. When Herzl wanted to establish his dream, he had to talk to the Ottoman Caliph, but the Caliph refused this and didn't allow Jews to establish a state in today's Palestine/Israel. In my knowledge, he allowed Jews to live in the Empire however.
On a side note, I think if Jews was given a state at that time, and migrated to there fast, the Jewish Holocaust maybe wouldn't even take a place, since the Jews wouldn't be in Europe. However, they would potentially be in conflict with the Arabs, because Arabs wouldn't want to give the land to the Jews. But maybe Ottomans would try to compromise with the both sides, and would successfully establish a semi-autonomous region, or maybe a one state solution. But maybe they wouldn't succeed, and a similar conflict like today's Palestine-Israel would stay take place, and maybe in the future, potentially give European forces like British to enter the zone, and clash with the Ottomans to disband them.
According to General Yigal Allon(of the Israeli Army) in his book "Shield Of David" during WW1 the Turks offered to create a Jewish homeland in order to get Jewish support. Ok that was under wartime pressure but even so it shows the possibility for some kind of homeland, maybe like Red Indian reservations in the USA.
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The best timeline for the world
@Fuck UA-cam STFU
Armenian and georgia disagree
@@mug-o-tea9517 the armenian genocide did not happen in this timeline.
@@Hiroakiarai88 arminians have been oppressed in the ottoman empire before the genocide and I don't see the oppression to abruptly stop and even then, the proud armenian people would fight for independence similar to how Kurds are fighting today. These people have a very reach history and a strong national identity.
@@mug-o-tea9517 did you watch the video?
This was interestingly well timed with their acquisition of S-400 Missile systems and overtures in geopolitics recently.
@Bjorn nope
I would see a tv series like The man in the high castle but with a Alternative Ottoman Empire Future.
Yes pls
Thank god, this channel actually has some credibility to it. I cannot comprehend the amount of times I've been told that if the Germans just "took Moscow" they'd just win the war ez pz. If the Germans couldn't take Leningrad or Stalingrad, why would they have been able to take the literal capital of the USSR? Their armored units were at HALF strength by the time they attacked Moscow.
Even if they had the Russians would've kept fighting. The idea that a nation of thwt size. Surrendering just because you took the capital is ridiculous. The Russians still had massive strategic depth Moscow or no Moscow.
One point I'd like to contest is the alphabet change not occurring. Atatürk's education minister at the time of the alphabet change had been a major proponent of the idea years before the First World War, because he saw it as a necessary step for increasing the then-abysmal literacy rates rapidly enough not to hinder a broader education reform, and had turned down the offer to serve as the Ottoman minister of education because the PM of the time had told him they couldn't switch to the Latin alphabet yet.
I just want to say that I love your videos and you are my favorite youtuber! I was also wondering why you think that Ataturk would still rise to power but in your video on if the French Revolution never happened you didn’t think Napoleon would rise to power.
Abyssinia always stay chilling