Creed 4 could be like Creed 1, but Adonis trains the son of Gunn. Rocky has to acknowledge and come to terms with Tommy Gunn Jr. Being the son of his former protege. Jr on the other hand would just want be a successful fighter not to respect his father, but the insult his father’s legacy. Putting him into conflict with Creed cause one was scared they’d never live up to the legacy while other is spiteful of it. Gunn Jr. would eventually have to learn that cause his father might have done some terrible things doesn’t mean that his path in life should be the destruction of his family history and name.
Pro Heavyweight Kenzie Morrison (Tommy’s son) 20-1-2 & looks like Tommy. As a pro boxing trainer, Gunn vs Creed as film boxers, Morrison being a real pro(And eventual WBO champ) definitely even in a movie portrays a boxer more technically & realistically than Jordan’s Creed. Just like Tarver’s Dixon bc was pro.
This could've added more fuel to fire as Adonis would feel that Tommy not only disgrace Rocky but disgrace Apollo also Tommy could probably get into Adonis head by wearing the trunks.
How about a Crossover between Creed & Antoine Fuqua's Southpaw. Before the release of Creed III, I had an fanfictional idea involving a story about Adonis Creed facing off against Billy Hope played by Jake Gyllenhaal. Oddly enough, The First Creed Film & Southpaw came out the same year in 2015. The Gap between Old & New Generation can definitely work within this story as Billy Hope is currently a retired Boxer & Southpaw took place in 2014 storywise. It'd be like seeing Killmonger VS Mysterio.
There are definitely some elements there, with George Washington Duke being based on Don King. I covered this in my Tommy Gunn video if you haven't seen it already.
A match I would have loved to see. I still think it would have added some spice to the franchise if the next Creed movie will be about Clubber Lang's son who is even stronger than Damian. Think about a theoretical match like that, the hardest match Adonis ever fought. Another possibility is to return Mason Dixon and let him fight Adonis if they want to do such a thing. And it's another age difference Mason is much older. If there is anything I would love for you to analyze Stryfe is who would have won fight- Chong-Li vs. Tong-Po people are debating this for years, which of the two ruthless killers would have won in a match.
Hard disagree there. Karate Kid Part III and the Next Karate Kid are the weakest of the franchise, and it's pretty universally agreed that Cobra Kai gave Terry even more depth and made him more of a villain that you love to hate than he was in Karate Kid Part III.
Creed IV could be Tommy Gunn's son wanting to train with Adonis. He becomes a big star and fame, money goes to his head. I think that country singer Kane Brown would be a great choice to play him. The opening could be a young Tommy Gunn's son at his dad's funeral.
@@StryfetheWarrior Flash forward to him as a popular live country artist playing live country music at bars in Oklahoma (where Tommy Gunn and the real life Tommy Morrison are from). After the show, he's having drinks and a hot chick comes up to him flirting. Her jealous boyfriend comes up and makes racial slurs provoking him. He tries to play cool, but the jealous boyfriend tries to attack him and he knocks the guy out cold. A promoter in attendance sees his mean left hook and encourages to take up boxing reminding him who he is. With the rise in popularity in country music, this could be a big hit.
I’d be okay with it…But Adonis Creed would win. No doubt in my mind. Tommy is overconfident, and allows his emotions to get the best of him. He’d lose in a heartbeat
Yeah. While Tommy is a ruthless fighter Adonis unlike Tommy adds variety to his fighting styles, compared to Tommy who uses what Rocky taught him, using Apollo's and Rocky's fighting style like punching them in the ribs, Creed has more variety and experience due to pushing himself to the limit by facing stronger more ruthless opponents in the past like Viktor Drago and Damian Anderson.
Good point, forgot about that! The original actress was also in Rocky V but her scene is cut (though she's seen very briefly after Rocky beats Tommy in the final cut).
@@StryfetheWarrior marie’s such an underrated character idk why we didn’t see her working at the restaurant at least when creed first goes to rocky’s restaurant
I'm split a older video I said love a Creed IV and I still do Adonis to me has to lose (I undecided if he should lose the belts on screen) and it's his true retirement but another part like that part at the end III Idk if you could've had a better send off for Adonis he got to be in the ring with his family than the moment when he looks up to the heavens with a smile on his face before he leaves I don't know if his retirement in Creed IV could top that moment if it happens.
Considering Adonis stopped Viktor Drago and knocked Dame spark out cold, I doubt Tommy, who got beat 3 different times in that Street fight against Rocky and lost despite all the cheap shots, would win against Creed in his prime, let alone at 50.
No I would seriously doubt this movie would work or be box office hit, Rocky 5 was considered one of the franchises worst and reintroducing Tommy wouldn’t be smart move, Creed 4 should expand more on Adonis struggles with given up the spotlight and staying retired kinda similar to his Father in Rocky 4, then Rocky could return to try to convince Donnie while agreeing to 1 last fight
But to learn the lesson on Rocky V to back to square 1 will be a slap in the face. Tommy would have talking crap to Donnie. And the direction is really complex
It's hard to make videos like that without a teaser/trailer first. At this point it'd be aimless speculation, and I'm not sure if I could make something unless there's a theory I can formulate
Well if it did take place after the first Creed before confronting the Dragos I’ll take it but as you said that Morrison is dead in real life then probably not 8:21 you know I’m curious on what happened to Clubber Lang and I wonder did Rocky did the same with Lang where Ivan returned and said “no pictures of me” because Ivan killed Apollo, Clubber caused Micky’s death Tommy Gunn, Mason Dixon and Ricky Conlan( which I really want to see a video on the most by the way) what do they have in common aside from being weak antagonists is that they’re played by real life boxers.
I don’t think this would have worked Tommy Gunn was beat by a opd retired Rocky then 20 years later fights Apollo son this doesn’t work if they came in the same era and was around the same age maybe but otherwise I don’t see it honestly
Kenzie gets Rocky to train him. He wins one of titles that Adonis doesn’t have (Perhaps WBO or WBA), then this sets up the perfect Rocky/Creed crossover of Kenzie vs Adonis!
I have a idea for Creed 4 what if Clubber Lang had a son That will call out Adonis Creed forcing Adonis Creed out of Retirement to fight Clubber Lang Son.
No; Adonis would've been just barely over a year old by Rocky V events since the movie takes place just a few months after Apollo's death in Rocky IV. Remember that "Creed" explains that Apollo had already died just before Adonis was ready to be born.
@@StryfetheWarrior; The one character who's had an ageing inconsistency between the rocky sequels and Creed- more so than the other characters had was Robert Jr.
If I had to guess; Tommy Gunn was not arrested merely for losing to Rocky in a brawl on the street; the main reason was that he was involved with Duke's shady deals and for what is seen as elderly abuse; there is also a possibility that he was banned from the Boxing career prior to that incident. So I doubt there would be much room in the Creed timeline to iron out everything that went down in Rocky V.
Would this movie have worked today?
Tommy gunn is no match for Donnie. So no.
Yes ..make Gunn a even darker version of his character...yes!
@@williamj.dovejr.8613why ?
Creed 4 could be like Creed 1, but Adonis trains the son of Gunn. Rocky has to acknowledge and come to terms with Tommy Gunn Jr. Being the son of his former protege. Jr on the other hand would just want be a successful fighter not to respect his father, but the insult his father’s legacy. Putting him into conflict with Creed cause one was scared they’d never live up to the legacy while other is spiteful of it. Gunn Jr. would eventually have to learn that cause his father might have done some terrible things doesn’t mean that his path in life should be the destruction of his family history and name.
That'd be interesting
Pro Heavyweight Kenzie Morrison (Tommy’s son) 20-1-2 & looks like Tommy.
As a pro boxing trainer, Gunn vs Creed as film boxers, Morrison being a real pro(And eventual WBO champ) definitely even in a movie portrays a boxer more technically & realistically than Jordan’s Creed. Just like Tarver’s Dixon bc was pro.
Son of a gun lol
This could've added more fuel to fire as Adonis would feel that Tommy not only disgrace Rocky but disgrace Apollo also Tommy could probably get into Adonis head by wearing the trunks.
That would be insane if Tommy did that to Adonis
Never say never
We can only wait and see
How about a Crossover between Creed & Antoine Fuqua's Southpaw. Before the release of Creed III, I had an fanfictional idea involving a story about Adonis Creed facing off against Billy Hope played by Jake Gyllenhaal. Oddly enough, The First Creed Film & Southpaw came out the same year in 2015. The Gap between Old & New Generation can definitely work within this story as Billy Hope is currently a retired Boxer & Southpaw took place in 2014 storywise. It'd be like seeing Killmonger VS Mysterio.
I need to watch Southpaw; I started part of it but haven't had a chance to sit down and watch it
7 I think that’s a fantastic idea they could call it they could creed5
I think some elements could work
Stryfe do you thing Tommy Gunn from Rocky V was based on Mike Tyson ?
There are definitely some elements there, with George Washington Duke being based on Don King. I covered this in my Tommy Gunn video if you haven't seen it already.
Interesting points!🙂
Thank you!
Adonis should train his own student in Creed IV
We might see that route if Creed IV focuses on Adonis training Amara
@@StryfetheWarrior if this happens, I won’t watch.
A match I would have loved to see. I still think it would have added some spice to the franchise if the next Creed movie will be about Clubber Lang's son who is even stronger than Damian. Think about a theoretical match like that, the hardest match Adonis ever fought. Another possibility is to return Mason Dixon and let him fight Adonis if they want to do such a thing. And it's another age difference Mason is much older. If there is anything I would love for you to analyze Stryfe is who would have won fight- Chong-Li vs. Tong-Po people are debating this for years, which of the two ruthless killers would have won in a match.
I'll consider the idea!
Dixon struggled w a 50 year old Rocky
No way we can have that fight
@@aidanweston1286 Fair point man.
Do you think Amir (Creed's sparring partner from the first film) will make an appearance in the next installment?
It's possible. It would only make sense if Adonis went back to Philly for some reason.
Cobra kai season 4 and 5 didn't make up for karate kid 3 because karate kid 3 didn't need redeeming. Karate kid 3 is underrated.
Hard disagree there. Karate Kid Part III and the Next Karate Kid are the weakest of the franchise, and it's pretty universally agreed that Cobra Kai gave Terry even more depth and made him more of a villain that you love to hate than he was in Karate Kid Part III.
“Young lion vs old lion!” - GW Duke
Creed IV could be Tommy Gunn's son wanting to train with Adonis. He becomes a big star and fame, money goes to his head. I think that country singer Kane Brown would be a great choice to play him. The opening could be a young Tommy Gunn's son at his dad's funeral.
That would be interesting.
@@StryfetheWarrior Flash forward to him as a popular live country artist playing live country music at bars in Oklahoma (where Tommy Gunn and the real life Tommy Morrison are from). After the show, he's having drinks and a hot chick comes up to him flirting. Her jealous boyfriend comes up and makes racial slurs provoking him. He tries to play cool, but the jealous boyfriend tries to attack him and he knocks the guy out cold. A promoter in attendance sees his mean left hook and encourages to take up boxing reminding him who he is. With the rise in popularity in country music, this could be a big hit.
What if Clubber lang had a son..maybe could have used that concept for Creed 3!
It would've been a re-hash of Creed 2 imo.
I’d be okay with it…But Adonis Creed would win. No doubt in my mind. Tommy is overconfident, and allows his emotions to get the best of him. He’d lose in a heartbeat
Yeah it'd be reasonable for Adonis to win outside of the youth advantage
Yeah. While Tommy is a ruthless fighter Adonis unlike Tommy adds variety to his fighting styles, compared to Tommy who uses what Rocky taught him, using Apollo's and Rocky's fighting style like punching them in the ribs, Creed has more variety and experience due to pushing himself to the limit by facing stronger more ruthless opponents in the past like Viktor Drago and Damian Anderson.
Tommy Gunn would have been atleast 45 by creed 1.
Yep, easily a 20 year age gap, as I stated.
@@StryfetheWarrior Silly idea
They could bring in one of Morrison's sons to play Tommy Gunn who returns to whip Creed's ass.
Could be
they also recast marie from rocky one to rocky balboa
Good point, forgot about that! The original actress was also in Rocky V but her scene is cut (though she's seen very briefly after Rocky beats Tommy in the final cut).
@@StryfetheWarrior marie’s such an underrated character idk why we didn’t see her working at the restaurant at least when creed first goes to rocky’s restaurant
I think if this movie had happened, it should take place after Creed III and Tommy should win instead of Adonis.
The problem is the big age gap. Not sure if it would be feasible
@@StryfetheWarrior George Foreman won IRL
Isnt the actor of Tommy Gunn dead?
Yes, I state that in the video. Which is why this movie would never happen
I'm split a older video I said love a Creed IV and I still do Adonis to me has to lose (I undecided if he should lose the belts on screen) and it's his true retirement but another part like that part at the end III Idk if you could've had a better send off for Adonis he got to be in the ring with his family than the moment when he looks up to the heavens with a smile on his face before he leaves I don't know if his retirement in Creed IV could top that moment if it happens.
That's a good point
Never as Tommy Morrison passed away years ago and would've been too old to face Creed!
RIP
Because my fellow Arkansan died back in 2013.
RIP
Considering Adonis stopped Viktor Drago and knocked Dame spark out cold, I doubt Tommy, who got beat 3 different times in that Street fight against Rocky and lost despite all the cheap shots, would win against Creed in his prime, let alone at 50.
Yeah, I don't think Gunn would win the fight. But it would make more sense if it happened after Creed I but before Creed II and III
I think Tommy Morrison son would be a good cast
For tommy gunn
What? It wouldn't make sense
Watch the video.
this idea is why I think cars 3 isn't good, student vs student idea might have made it better but it never happened
Cars 3?
@@StryfetheWarrior yup
No I would seriously doubt this movie would work or be box office hit, Rocky 5 was considered one of the franchises worst and reintroducing Tommy wouldn’t be smart move, Creed 4 should expand more on Adonis struggles with given up the spotlight and staying retired kinda similar to his Father in Rocky 4, then Rocky could return to try to convince Donnie while agreeing to 1 last fight
We can only speculate how Creed IV will turn out
But to learn the lesson on Rocky V to back to square 1 will be a slap in the face. Tommy would have talking crap to Donnie. And the direction is really complex
😂😂😂😂
Stranger things have happened.
Yea; I would empathize agreement with Sly's feelings about circumventing the Rocky V events within the bounds of the Creed timeline.
They should have done what you said in the beginning instead of what pt 3 was angry friend from jail lol
It certainly would've been an interesting fight. I do think Creed III's pretty solid
You should do a review rocky vs Cobrai Kai.
I'm not sure if I would do that. They're both great in their own ways
If I’m being honest Rocky 5 was the Rocky film that shouldn’t have existed
It's definitely one of the weaker films, if not, the weakest in the franchise.
The creed movie's SUCKED BIG TIME 👎
Box office numbers and reviews say otherwise.
I think Gunn would knock him out. Any chance you could make a video on what will happen with Mike Barnes if he comes back in Cobra Kai Season 6
It's hard to make videos like that without a teaser/trailer first. At this point it'd be aimless speculation, and I'm not sure if I could make something unless there's a theory I can formulate
Adonis would kill him.
Stallone said Adonis would beat Clubber in 3 rounds and the director said Adonis would beat Rocky 3 by split decision
Well if it did take place after the first Creed before confronting the Dragos I’ll take it but as you said that Morrison is dead in real life then probably not
8:21 you know I’m curious on what happened to Clubber Lang and I wonder did Rocky did the same with Lang where Ivan returned and said “no pictures of me” because Ivan killed Apollo, Clubber caused Micky’s death
Tommy Gunn, Mason Dixon and Ricky Conlan( which I really want to see a video on the most by the way) what do they have in common aside from being weak antagonists is that they’re played by real life boxers.
Yeah it's a shame we haven't heard from Clubber
@@StryfetheWarrior yeah exactly and Mr T himself
0:30
^ That’s crazy cause I was just rewatching this film the other day👏🏼
gunn is probably alot older now is the thing
Yeah, it's a 50/50 chance if it would work
Won’t happen as tommy would be too old also the actor passed away years ago
RIP
I don’t think this would have worked Tommy Gunn was beat by a opd retired Rocky then 20 years later fights Apollo son this doesn’t work if they came in the same era and was around the same age maybe but otherwise I don’t see it honestly
It only would've really worked if it had been like Rocky Balboa.
They could cast Kenzie Morrison as the son of Tommy Gunn. Js
I can see that
Kenzie gets Rocky to train him. He wins one of titles that Adonis doesn’t have (Perhaps WBO or WBA), then this sets up the perfect Rocky/Creed crossover of Kenzie vs Adonis!
Stryfe what website do you use for your music?
I use various music from HumbleBundle.
there's is just one thing tho tommy gun is actually dead
Yes, I state that in the video. Which is why this movie would never happen
@@StryfetheWarrior would be sick if he was alive
I have a idea for Creed 4 what if Clubber Lang had a son That will call out Adonis Creed forcing Adonis Creed out of Retirement to fight Clubber Lang Son.
That was originally the rumored idea for Creed III. I might make a video on that someday too.
Even though I didn't catch that other video about the gaming channel that your doing
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I can’t wait for Creed 4 but it’ll probably be years away :(
I'm thinking 2025 at the earliest.
No; Adonis would've been just barely over a year old by Rocky V events since the movie takes place just a few months after Apollo's death in Rocky IV. Remember that "Creed" explains that Apollo had already died just before Adonis was ready to be born.
The age gap would've been 1 - 5 depending on how you view the Rocky/Creed continuity, considering it has a lot of inconsistencies.
@@StryfetheWarrior; The one character who's had an ageing inconsistency between the rocky sequels and Creed- more so than the other characters had was Robert Jr.
If I had to guess; Tommy Gunn was not arrested merely for losing to Rocky in a brawl on the street; the main reason was that he was involved with Duke's shady deals and for what is seen as elderly abuse; there is also a possibility that he was banned from the Boxing career prior to that incident. So I doubt there would be much room in the Creed timeline to iron out everything that went down in Rocky V.
From what the film indicates, the street fight happens the same night he had the fight against Union Cane. So I doubt the ban would've happened.