Also a fun contrast, Zagreus had a mentor in someone who was known for their physical strength and valor while Melinoe has a mentor in someone who was known for their intellect/wiles and valor
I hope they have a scene in this game's Epilogue where Odysseus encounters Achilles and Patroclus. Somehow I doubt they'll regard him with friendly terms, considering how their attack on Troy went.
I'll give you a little secret: If you go back to the reveal trailer and go to Nemesis' shot, around 1:27 pause before her portrait shows up fully and you'll see Patroclus sitting at a table in the crossroads. He is alone again. :(
6:18 I think…the ‘break up’ kinda hit him there but then he understands why it had to happened cuz he knows he deserves it as well. Also with Penelope, I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to write her as ‘someone who became bitter with the gods’. The Trojan War took most of what could have been a peaceful family life for them and about Ody’s indiscretions…well not to defend him but deities have their moments where they curse mortals who spurn their favors.
I believe Penelope is on side of titans now, and Od lied about their true reason about their break up,because he wants to protect her from gods' fury. We are going to met Penelope weaver of deception
Also it's important to note that Odysseus said they drift apart *after death*. The conversation also suggests that Penelope forgive Odysseus at first until she learned of his full situation after he confessed. It was an amicable parting he said. So I think it isn't JUST Odysseus's time with Circe(and co.).
On one hand, im bloody happy they added Odysseus. He's so cool, and a worthy replacement for Achilies. Plus, his positive version of Hypnos's foe related banters are really good. On the other hand, I feel really bad for him. Penelope leaving him hurt him more than he lets on.
tbh its deserved, on his journeys he slept with calypso for years and willingly stayed on circes island for one year, not leaving until his crew told him to
@@syg0usif we’re going by the odyssey, it was literally anything but willingly, he had not love for calypso and would spend days crying and anguishing by the shore
Man, I will never get tired of Jason Marnocha’s voice. Recognized it immediately, since he’s doing an alteration on his Ra’s Al Ghul from the DC Abridged Universe, may it rest in peace.
I'm curious as to how they are going to handle Odysseus's "unfaithfulness" to his wife. He is certainly regretful of it now, but did he actually cheat on her willingly or not? He says he is not the type to refuse goddesses, and in this setting thats probably the smart thing to do as you don't want to piss the deities off by "refusing" them. There are versions of the myths where he does so willingly but there are others which show the opposite as well. This could also just be the case where the writers are showing that Odysseus is a flawed individual and also made mistakes in the past. It just feels like to me that there is more to it that he is not comfortable telling us just yet. Also, I'm typing this way after the early access was released so I know Circe is in this game, hopefully we get more of this from her
It's rather ambiguous, but I do think Supergiants is having Od be more willing in this case, if the phrasing "my biggest weakness". I thought this would be a one and done story, but I was so wrong. Hades 2 looks to have much grander plans than just little cute stories. Ooh, I'd like to meet Circe at some point. Witches need those meet and greets.
Circe is one thing, but I don't think there's any version of the story where his relationship with Calypso is ever portrayed as consensual; she has to be forced to let him leave. Also worth noting is how Odysseus rejected the mortal princess Nausicaa.
Does anyone else find this “Chronos’s rule was a Golden Age for humans” reveal is a massive game-changer? depending on whether this isn’t just a lie, the idea of a man willing to eat his own children to stay in power while simultaneously being a genuinely benevolent ruler who cares for “lesser beings” has the potential to be a really fascinating character. And if it’s genuinely not a lie, then Melinoe succeeding in her mission would prevent a world where mortals don’t have to live in constant fear of running into an Olympian on a bad day from coming about. Considering the “time cannot be stopped” theme, maybe the ultimate goal won’t be killing Chronos but instead convincing him and the Olympians to hash it out?
This was something I wanted to talk about too. Very often the villains have a point, but come off too extreme, thus appear to be in the wrong. I find it tiresome where the audience expect to take a centrist route and say both were in the wrong. If Chronos was sincere, it does complicate their cause, if the main cast they cared for mortals. Hecate’s immediate response was that the mortals will face the wrath of the gods. I really dig your idea that Mel would have to return time and time again to convince Chronos and the gods of some sort of change in the system. Arachne and Dora are perfect cases to support Chronos’s argument. All we need left is Prometheus. And Echo, and Io. Blood and Darkness!
@@Hamstir4 the point Zeus did the same thing of chronos for keeping his power, he turned metis, his first wife in drop of water and drank, same Achille, he stopped the prophesy. So gods are exactly power hungry of titans, I'm surprised chronos could start his rebellion from underground, where the gods are pretty chilli about, I feel hades house was ended up in cross fire or there is more, my theory gea blessed zagreus and Zeus though is going to stole my throne, so a make stupid plan that is not going Turing bad. Zagreus was blessed by chaos themselves, so it wouldn't be strange if gea liked him too
Chronos is full of shit. When he reigned, there were no mortals around yet. Zeus and Prometeus created humanity long after they had disposed of Chronos. It's easy to talk of a golden age when all your followers are to some degree immortal. And what is he doing with the mortals right now? Tricking their shades into being cannon fodder against Olympus.
4:00 Poseidon to this day: " 🎶In all my years of living, It isn't very often that I get pissed off. 🎶I try to chill with the waves; But damn, you've crossed the line. 🎶"
@@DylanJo123 there’s many information withheld from Mel at this point of the story, so would suspect if it’s story related. (My guess is Olympus-relayed). But it could also be them having some fun
I don't think much has changed. During the Keepsake segment, Hecate notes the Knuckles gifted by Od are enchanted and she's a bit frightened of it. Mel thought it was Hecate that enchanted them, but Hecate implies it may have been Circe as it was another witch Odysseus has met in his mortal life.
Sure batty, I'll post just for you. I think most people want to keep it "No Commentary" so I'll maintain the format. I have three runs at the works. I'll play some more after work. BUT, I just want to say the game just gets better and better.
Zagreus had Achilles while Melinoe has Odysseus. The House of Hades' children have been trained by the Trojan War's greatest veterans.
The perks of housing shades and lost souls!
@Hamstir4 Yup and i look forward to seeing him in the game's full release
Also a fun contrast, Zagreus had a mentor in someone who was known for their physical strength and valor while Melinoe has a mentor in someone who was known for their intellect/wiles and valor
As long as he doesn't teach her navigation. Or she won't reach the end of the game for next 10 years
I wonder if any Trojans will show up in any of these games. Talking to Hector or Paris would be interesting
Cant wait for him to sing "I am the monster rawr rawr rawr"
LOOOL
Epic the musical moment
it'd be amazing if they had him singing and got Jorge to do it, and disregarded the fact that his singing and speaking voices are completely different
With how much attention Odysseus' affairs receive and it is mentioned Odysseus has met another witch, I hope we get to meet Circe
This would be sick, but I highly doubt it. I think at best the callback to Circe was his enchanted Knuckle keepsake.
You do
@@koshilowell9531 Oh damn, can't wait to meet her!
I hope they have a scene in this game's Epilogue where Odysseus encounters Achilles and Patroclus. Somehow I doubt they'll regard him with friendly terms, considering how their attack on Troy went.
I'll give you a little secret: If you go back to the reveal trailer and go to Nemesis' shot, around 1:27 pause before her portrait shows up fully and you'll see Patroclus sitting at a table in the crossroads. He is alone again. :(
Achilles is probably stuck there
@@mostlyimpulsive3462 Holy!!! “Til we meet again, stranger.”
6:18 I think…the ‘break up’ kinda hit him there but then he understands why it had to happened cuz he knows he deserves it as well. Also with Penelope, I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to write her as ‘someone who became bitter with the gods’. The Trojan War took most of what could have been a peaceful family life for them and about Ody’s indiscretions…well not to defend him but deities have their moments where they curse mortals who spurn their favors.
I’d be quick to blame it on the gods too, ^ then turned into an oyster.
I believe Penelope is on side of titans now, and Od lied about their true reason about their break up,because he wants to protect her from gods' fury. We are going to met Penelope weaver of deception
Also it's important to note that Odysseus said they drift apart *after death*. The conversation also suggests that Penelope forgive Odysseus at first until she learned of his full situation after he confessed.
It was an amicable parting he said. So I think it isn't JUST Odysseus's time with Circe(and co.).
You know a man is a veteran when he can tell what you’ve last fought just by the look on your face.
This man is so experienced, he emitted the MC energy.
On one hand, im bloody happy they added Odysseus. He's so cool, and a worthy replacement for Achilies. Plus, his positive version of Hypnos's foe related banters are really good.
On the other hand, I feel really bad for him. Penelope leaving him hurt him more than he lets on.
tbh its deserved, on his journeys he slept with calypso for years and willingly stayed on circes island for one year, not leaving until his crew told him to
I also had the thought of the Hypnos “advice” quotes. And right, for that to be Od’s greatest weakness on reflection, that’ll stay with him.
@@syg0us Except in the case with Calypso, she kept Odysseus prisoner on her island all those years, so he was essentially be raped that whole time.
@@syg0usif we’re going by the odyssey, it was literally anything but willingly, he had not love for calypso and would spend days crying and anguishing by the shore
@@syg0ushe literally cry everyday I don’t think he enjoys being there
Man, I will never get tired of Jason Marnocha’s voice. Recognized it immediately, since he’s doing an alteration on his Ra’s Al Ghul from the DC Abridged Universe, may it rest in peace.
I just looked him up. This guy has been in many places! Amazingly talented ^ him being in Jojo's caught me off guard.
I'm curious as to how they are going to handle Odysseus's "unfaithfulness" to his wife. He is certainly regretful of it now, but did he actually cheat on her willingly or not? He says he is not the type to refuse goddesses, and in this setting thats probably the smart thing to do as you don't want to piss the deities off by "refusing" them. There are versions of the myths where he does so willingly but there are others which show the opposite as well. This could also just be the case where the writers are showing that Odysseus is a flawed individual and also made mistakes in the past.
It just feels like to me that there is more to it that he is not comfortable telling us just yet.
Also, I'm typing this way after the early access was released so I know Circe is in this game, hopefully we get more of this from her
It's rather ambiguous, but I do think Supergiants is having Od be more willing in this case, if the phrasing "my biggest weakness". I thought this would be a one and done story, but I was so wrong. Hades 2 looks to have much grander plans than just little cute stories. Ooh, I'd like to meet Circe at some point. Witches need those meet and greets.
Circe is one thing, but I don't think there's any version of the story where his relationship with Calypso is ever portrayed as consensual; she has to be forced to let him leave.
Also worth noting is how Odysseus rejected the mortal princess Nausicaa.
I’m so happy they added Odysseus in this game
It's insane! but only makes sense if the stakes would be this high.
BLESS YOU😩🙏🏻 His voice is so fucking nice holy shit
May his voice tuck you to bed 🧸
Does anyone else find this “Chronos’s rule was a Golden Age for humans” reveal is a massive game-changer?
depending on whether this isn’t just a lie, the idea of a man willing to eat his own children to stay in power while simultaneously being a genuinely benevolent ruler who cares for “lesser beings” has the potential to be a really fascinating character. And if it’s genuinely not a lie, then Melinoe succeeding in her mission would prevent a world where mortals don’t have to live in constant fear of running into an Olympian on a bad day from coming about.
Considering the “time cannot be stopped” theme, maybe the ultimate goal won’t be killing Chronos but instead convincing him and the Olympians to hash it out?
This was something I wanted to talk about too. Very often the villains have a point, but come off too extreme, thus appear to be in the wrong. I find it tiresome where the audience expect to take a centrist route and say both were in the wrong. If Chronos was sincere, it does complicate their cause, if the main cast they cared for mortals. Hecate’s immediate response was that the mortals will face the wrath of the gods.
I really dig your idea that Mel would have to return time and time again to convince Chronos and the gods of some sort of change in the system. Arachne and Dora are perfect cases to support Chronos’s argument. All we need left is Prometheus. And Echo, and Io. Blood and Darkness!
@@Hamstir4 the point Zeus did the same thing of chronos for keeping his power, he turned metis, his first wife in drop of water and drank, same Achille, he stopped the prophesy. So gods are exactly power hungry of titans, I'm surprised chronos could start his rebellion from underground, where the gods are pretty chilli about, I feel hades house was ended up in cross fire or there is more, my theory gea blessed zagreus and Zeus though is going to stole my throne, so a make stupid plan that is not going Turing bad.
Zagreus was blessed by chaos themselves, so it wouldn't be strange if gea liked him too
Chronos is full of shit. When he reigned, there were no mortals around yet. Zeus and Prometeus created humanity long after they had disposed of Chronos. It's easy to talk of a golden age when all your followers are to some degree immortal. And what is he doing with the mortals right now? Tricking their shades into being cannon fodder against Olympus.
@@Sifya the House appeared to be a ticking time bomb with Chronos and the other Titians ^ I wonder how the story will resolve the gods’ faults
@@Davesknd LOL “the Golden Age” I had to remember of it was good back then. Might just be a Supergiant thing.
The odyssey had its purpose.
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@@popefrancey it is inevitable. It is truly ideal.
Be please patient I'm Outistic
DANTEH... DO YOUR WEEKLIES DAUNTEHH
I guess witches love himbos, hecate with odysseus and medea with heracles lol
could've chosen worse himbos I'd add ^
He is very kind to you, it's pretty cool.
He’s practically the father figure here, he’s great!
5:03 Oh they *FOOKIN'*
Hurray! I’ve been waiting for this. Thank you
You're much welcome!
AHHHHHH THANK YOUUU
You're very welcome! Thanks for your patience my homie.
@@Hamstir4 yes yes ofc! :*)
4:00 Poseidon to this day: " 🎶In all my years of living, It isn't very often that I get pissed off. 🎶I try to chill with the waves; But damn, you've crossed the line. 🎶"
Epic! Bet!!
"Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves, ourselves!"~
why do i have the feeling they added Odysseus to this game (dilf and single) because people couldn't seduce Achille in the first game XD
or....he's shacked up with Hecate. He is rather flowery with his words about her and she did want a quiet word with him
@@rabbitguts2518 OH OH I love your way of thinking friend! and honestly i like it more, as i see both Od and Hecate as parental figures to Mel
@@VI_VA. you had me worried there, I thought the implication was Mel seducing Od. But Hecate and Od would be cute!
The Odyssey has him being so faithful that even Hera approved. This is another Orpheus situation.
@@Hypogean7 eeeeeeh depending which version you read. Besides...... Od here *admites* he was unfaithful to Penelope
He could still be Skelly, I’m holding out hope
He’s just moving really fast between screens
LOL I recall this theory. Alas.
You never know
Watch Skelly and Od be in the same room, and y'all still in denial. Nyah~
Crafty Odysseus
Thank you very much!
You’re welcome mi homie!
I FUCKING LOVE ODY. GOD. 😍
You are eating.
What is the next interaction? I need it quickly😂!
looks around* Don't tell anyone okay Lupan? It's Hecate! But there's so much content of her, it may take more time than my previous interactions.
@@Hamstir4 I’m telling everyone.
@@rr1ver What have I done.
8:39 could that hold any importance in this context ?
I think so, and others find it material for Od and Hecate potentially being more intimate.
They're smashing or they talking about something they don't want Melinoe to know. If it's the latter, then it's pretty juicy. What can they be hiding?
@@DylanJo123 there’s many information withheld from Mel at this point of the story, so would suspect if it’s story related. (My guess is Olympus-relayed). But it could also be them having some fun
Is the Hecate Odysseus relationship a supergiant change because I thought Odysseus encountered Circe not Hecate?
I don't think much has changed. During the Keepsake segment, Hecate notes the Knuckles gifted by Od are enchanted and she's a bit frightened of it. Mel thought it was Hecate that enchanted them, but Hecate implies it may have been Circe as it was another witch Odysseus has met in his mortal life.
9:21 poor sleepyhead
Is there a way to sign up to get access to the technical test now?
No but There will be more access in the future
I believe not, it was rolled back last week. Even I don't have access to it anymore. Worry not, apparently Early Access should be available soon.
Relatively soon, was their words.
Are you going to post Early Access gameplay?
Sure batty, I'll post just for you. I think most people want to keep it "No Commentary" so I'll maintain the format. I have three runs at the works. I'll play some more after work. BUT, I just want to say the game just gets better and better.
@@Hamstir4 Either format works for me, I'll wait after early access to decide. Thanks for posting hamstir
oh right, the early access is out now, right?
it sure is buddy! enjoy it when you can
alright, mostly wanted to confirm you may have been aware
THANK YOU FOR POSTING 🥹 I am so excited to see as much of him as I can
You're welcome Maddie!