When we were kids, we ran out of gas. (surprise) We got tired of pushing the car and got the idea of using the fumes in the tank to run the car. Just took off the gas cap and blocked the snorkel on the air cleaner and drove to the gas station. I know it works. Just not sure why it's not commonly used. Seems the obvious solution to eliminating the accelerator pump and a few other things. Good job.
Good video. If you're still working with this, find a way to draw hot air from the exhaust manifold into the gas can. As you may have noticed, the gasoline gets cold when you run just ambient air through it. The vaporization efficiency increases as the temperature hitting the gasoline goes up.
I have done a similar experiment with an old ( 4 stroke ) lawn mower using an ammo box , there are many who will tell you about how it is crap but I am preparing to extend this to a generator .... Anyone else feel like not paying for hydro ? Look into it
thanks for the video most videos only show such stunts at idle run..yours ran 60 mph! impressive for a proof of concept..might be easier to emulate this on a single cylinder motorcycle with no air filter element and some preheating on the fuel from the very heat of the engine produced (no need for actual heaters)
I am so glad I found your video because out of all the ones I watched that go over how to build an evaporator and install it you're the first one that explains exactly how to do it and how far the hoses have to be going inside the tank and how to pinch the fuel line and also building that too that is connected to your air intake and into the house is that going to the tank now I can see the whole picture and I can actually do it myself I'm going to do a video and comment back on yours and how my vehicle did I have a V6 Taurus and I'm trying to gain at least anywhere between 5 to 10 thank you and again👏💪🍻
I might have a cxouple of suggestions that will improve your setup. My brother and his friend made a headgasket with four sets of platinum points equally mounted around the cylinder. It was layered in between the gasket material like a circuit board. So instead of firing from the spark plug it fired from each set of points. The platinum points had no place to hold any carbon build up so would not foul out like a spark plug. and firing the gas mixture with four sets of spark burned the fuel vapor quicker and more completely.(old airplanes had two sparkplugs per cylinder) Giving an increase of power with less fuel consumtion and less emissions. My idea to add to this is to reduce fuel droplet size thus increasing surface area of the fuel by using an ultrasonic mister which instantly vaporizes a drop of liquid to a finer mist than a carburator is capable of. This should also increase power while decreasing consumption andEmmisions. The reason you do not see this gasket method of spark on the market now is a sparkplug company bought their patent. Their was a drawback to the design they had not worked out at the time and that was that the gasket was thicker and you had to torque it down just right or it would blow the gasket. But this was 40 years ago and we have much better materials to work with now. I really hope you read this or anyone else . It could be an easy add on for cars well worth the cost for the increased economy and decrease of emmisions. Hopefully give a little more time for the transition to the totally electric cars that are coming. Jake The Snake Was interested in the gasket for his race cars as it would have been a huge advantage. So if you need an investor you might want to try him. It also goes to show how money trumps humanityand that big corporations (Firestone) are more concerned with the bottom line than reducing polution to save mankind. We really need to institute a crimes against humanity law for people like that and Big Pharma who suppress or overprice discoveries that benefit life.. Please send a comment should you read this. I like to think I am at least trying yo help.
I really don't know much about this, but my sense is that you might want to consider removing the fuse for your fuel pump. It's still trying to pump and I don't think the back pressure from the pinched off hose is going to be good for it. Just a thought.
You need to put your lines in after the mass flow sensor otherwise, as you stated, sensors on these kind of engines don't know how to read something that is not a normal part of the programmed system. I did this experiment back in the '80s on a 1975 Vega Kammback wagon only there I plumbed my vapor line into the PCV hose. I don't know if or how it helped but I do know that after a time water vapor inherent in the air was taking the place of gasoline vapor that was being pulled out of the jar. I would have liked having a jet orifice that is adjustable on the outside of the carb. Some time past doing the vapor experiment I found that I could put two or three strands of that very fine "angel hair" wire through the jet hole to increase my mileage a bit. It is a fine line before the performance starts to stifle but on one trip East I recorded 27 highway mpg which I was happy about. It had the Holley staged two barrel and I rarely used it that way.
People do something similar in sweden with diesel but not for fuel efficency they put spill oil in a gas tank in the engine bay and add evry mod to it so alot of black smoke would come out but if you get stopped like that you get a big ticket like 1000 dollars plus you have to go through an inspection again
Fuel characteristics vary in liquid stage to gaseous stage. Engine dynamics change too. AFR for liquid fuel:- 14.7:1 AFR for gaseous fuel:- 9:1 or 10.5:1 Means you need to block the intake air flow by atleast 40% to achieve proper combustion and avoid lean mixtures which can overheat the engine. Also, just like it's done for LPG/CNG fuelled cars where Timing is advanced to 20° BTDC, since we are still using petrol in gaseous form, Engine Timing must be advanced by 2° or 3° above the stock base timing(10° BTDC) for achieving proper ignition.
Aviation rumors: people say that running lean at first gives more heat, but if you keep on leaning it further it actually runs cooler (from pilot experiences when low on fuel). I think you are on the right track, keep working it, you could use an older fashion 'vacuum" solenoid tapped with a T fitting into to any vacuum line to run the solenoid (not for fumes) to actuate a valve that makes it Richer when starting out (less vacuum), and make it run leaner when at normal vacuum conditions (up to speed) . REMEM the old vacuum operated windshield wipers, they would quit working on hills unless you let off the gas because of less vaccum. So its a research to find the happy compromise where when engine is under more load (like hills or starting out, it makes it richer, and vice versa). At higher speeds over 60 it may also have less vacuum so that would need some additional adjustment or a "shut off" condition based on speed? FYI: I use the vacuum solenoid all the time for years now on my older minivan to cut off the AC on engine loaded (starting out or up hills), and it really does seem to save me mpg (yes I have manual overide switch for situations where I prefer to lose the mpg at first, for increased AC like when car sits in sun too long and at first its heat soaked.
The flashing ses light shows it is misfiring, fix that and you will get better mileage too. Good video thanks for sharing. This is the exact concept as a carburetor , vapor is what burns. try a coolant tube in the red tank, that will make the gasoline hotter and it will vaporize more efficiently, giving even better fuel mileage and more power.
pull the fuel pump fuse and disconnect the injectors. the injectors will get damaged by opening without any fuel in the rails. and there is no need to keep the fuel system pressurized.
try a mixer knob that you can adjust from the car and plug a ECU reader in to see if its running lean or not (stationary) also try disconnect the injectors as running them without gas cant be good haha
You can also run an engine like this using hydrogen, it's also how NOX is applied. But the problem is there are risks. You might end up running the engine very lean and killing it (which is the logical result) and the more fuel vapour you let through the air intake the less air it gets, you need both at the right amounts for everything to work as it should. By the time you tune it to the right balance you might be back to where a normal car would be :/
Justin, feed the floor heat setting of your interior heater to your gasoline bubbler. Then you can control the temperature going to your molested Gerry Can. Why your engine is stumbling is because your octane level is increasing. Octane doesn't evaporate till you heat it to 400 F. But that is another speech and we are not dealing with liquid gasoline. So doing a timing correction does not apply here. Sorry for confusing everybody. Why don't you try some pure Alcohol instead of Gasoline? Alcohol does not have these ignition delay ingredients. Moonshine would work.
I see. Thanks for the input. I plan to try the same thing on almost the same engine; but add a few valves that I can make the ecu control to adjust air fuel. I also have a specialized oxygen sensor to be able to see actual air fuel ratio in real time. If I stumble on something worth while, I'll pass it along. But first starting with a 7kw generator to figure out how I should approach it on the large scale.
Because it doesn't generate enough torque or horsepower to be useful. People want to be able to tow things, or drive up long steep inclines, or run A/C or heaters which puts more load on the alternator
@@monroy194 www.quora.com/Did-Tom-Ogle-invent-a-vapour-engine-and-why-is-no-one-working-on-this It's because vapour powered engines are simply not practical enough.
fuel injection runs higher fuel pressure, if you could increase pressure some how? maybe some light tension one way valves on inlet hoses. Or force air into inlet hoses to increase pressure in fuel can, obviously a metal sealed fuel can would be better.
I think.... you could leave the Honda fuel system intact, (full and pressurised fuel rail) and the electronic metering/knock sensors would shut off the injectors most of the time. This would make it a similar, but much less complicated system, to the electrolysis/water/hydrogen generators that people fit. Then when the can is empty, the car carries on on tank gas, so you don't have to get out and undo the clamp in the rain :-)
If it does leave the fuel line open do you think the knock sensors would turn off the fuel that is going to the injectors because the car is running from the fumes? Is next a lot of sense I was thinking about just creating a toggle switch to turn off my fuel pump and injectors I just don't know if the main computer will figure out check engine light at that point this is very interesting
Should hear mine now, 2nd intake valve in on cylinder one has recessed so far into the head that I can't back off the rocker anymore, rocker is riding the cam all the time.
Hey man Thats very good project, tell me what was your obstacles you came across plus what would you like to achieve in terms of running on fumes Thank you for your video Arthur from Glasgow
Hey Man just watching your video How are you getting on with this fumes Looks very simple thi system I want to try it I have a peugeot 106 1.5d 1996 yr You see this clamp sitting on the fuel hose The fuel pump is still working and will this not cause any damage when the pressure increases ? I see you try to switch off a fuel pump Great You think it can work on diesel cars ? Thx
There are so many people scoffing at this idea... However the only concern to me is the safety considering the backfire explosion... Can somebody let us know how to install a flashback arrestor
Thanks for the video hope you can come up with something better maybe a sponge in the can or something to help with evaporation and sloshing. Adding a simple water injection system by vacuum could help with the bucking but won't increase fuel econ but up the pressure in the cylinders and causing a cooling effect on the valves that is what most people are worried about burning.The ecu light flashing at the beginning of the video is a warning that the ecu is experiencing misfiring in the engine due to a fouled spark plug or coil pack going out happen to an older car i used to own. Good luck and stay safe.
How has the project progressed? Still running it? The fuel pump connector is under the rear seat; pretty to access through a port that is held in by a few phillips head screws.
it can run a crank shaft like that , but at 8:45 he pushed it in to a plane lie , 60mph .. give it a break , it good enough you turned it on, you learned how engines work , good for you
I know. I'm stupid. When I was three years old, and I didn't know how to read yet, would you call me stupid as an illiterate 3 year old? What about the extraterrestrials jumping around in flying saucers? I bet they wish we humans would wake up and ask them for help! I wonder if they think we're stupid?
The Check Engine Lamp is flashing! That means there is a problem that can damage the catalytic converter. A flashing CEL indicates either a major misfire (not in this case) or excessively rich or excessively lean condition. This system will work, it can be done, but long term engine damage may result, catalytic converter damage will result and emission regulations will be altered. The best bet is to do this on a car pre-OBD II (1995 or older) where in most states (those without dyno inspections) emission components and an OBD II scan are not necessary. CEL is on--you fail inspection. Then you can remove the catalytic converter and prevent it's becoming "plugged" due to damage. An old car with a carburetor works the best. Trust me, I've done it. I am a retired auto technician who worked for GM and Ford and owned a service station and Lee Myles Transmission franchise. You can run a vehicle like this...just don't let the Feds catch you.
Hi! Thanks for the insight, this idea is really something, it will possibly be the next stage after hybrids and then innevitably the Akku car (Musk is showing the way) BUT here in europe all newer vehicles and even Jap. vehicles use complex direct port injection as well as forced induction, my question out of curiousity is: could such a system work for these type of engines? what about turbo diesels - even with larger displacement? also at what rate of power would the system fail? 60 MPH for a old 2L honda engine seems possible but what about say a turbo 3L BMW engine or take it to the extreme a 6.2 AMG V8 I would love to read your ideas on the matter, cheers!
Another thing they don't tell you is that most bubbler systems leave unburnt fuel in the bubbler. Once the more volatile fuel is used up the engine dies. Leaving you with fuel that is practically worthless. Maybe I will find a use for it.
Great experiment. If you pinch the fuel line does it damage the fuel pump? don't you have to stop the fuel pump by disconnecting it? i'm trying this on my ride-on mower. If it works i'll try it on a fiat panda.
In a sense i agree that you can run it off vapors. But if you truly do the math this will eventually cause engine damage and or catastrophic failure for the simple fact that it runs lean beyond the parameters allowed. You'll be able to idle and maybe move around using just the idle but the second you give it a bit to much gas it will go lean beyond the ability for the ecu to pull timing and could cause it to blow up. There's really no way of controlling the amount of vapor intake therefore it can't compensate for it. cool trick but not something that will work in a real life scenario.
if you watch the video you will see i was actually to rich. like very very rich. you would need to build a much more technical device to control vapor.
How will this damage the engine considering the fact that carburetors or fuel injection systems also mix fuel and air vaporize it and then burn it in the engine Lot of fuel is wasted in this way isn't it?
As a pilot, such as I,you have to utilize on-board fuel/air mixture controls all of the time. The most efficient, powerful and ideal ratio for 100LL fuel is 12.5:1 by weight (as compared to 14.6:1 for 87 octane). The reason that this control is needed is because air weight varies at different altitudes (ex. the higher you go the lighter the air). My home airport is near Houston Tx 343ft above sea level. While on the ground I run the engine at full rich. Once I climb to about 6000 or so I will notice a reduction of power which simply translates to a loss of rpm. The reason for this is because I will be running too rich for the given altitude, say probably about 11:1. All that is experienced is a loss of power, no detonation or damage to the engine in any way. It is extremely common. The timing is actually not affected at all. Same goes the other way, When I am near ground level and run it too lean say 14:1 for example, there is only a loss of power. My point is that the ideal ratio of air-fuel is the ratio at which a certain fuel and air can be mixed which produces the most power. A reduction or increase of the ratio can not affect timing unless the type of fuel is different. Remember though, only 20% of injected fuel gets burned and included in that ideal ratio, the rest is wasted. So your average fuel injection injects way more fuel that 14.6:1 to make up for the in-efficiency
perhaps you could wire the fuel pump feed into some kind of fan to force more air through the fuel and make more fumes - that way with a variable speed fan you can directly adjust the amount of vapor going though... just ideas :)
So now I know what happened to all those cars on the side of the highway that caught on fire in the engine compartment. Just kidding, thanks for the video
so if this works why don't engineers program cars to do this on the highway when there isn't any erratic throttle inputs? Or hell in cruise control mode even. They now have drive by wire throttle bodies and they have direct injection that they can control by computer as well.
Yeah justin is right. Do you think that the epa is here to protect your environment? If you do, you are mistaken. The EPA is in store to make the government some revenue, period. Corruptivity in our economy all while using global warming as the scape goat.
When you cold evaporate the six ingredients of gasoline, five of those ingredients, which are the remaining ingredients, do not evaporate, so guess where they go?...and what effect do they have on your remaining gasoline cocktail? The Flash Point goes into a delay reaction. That is why when you add more octane to gasoline, you can advance the timing more.
Believe it or not most modern cars have fuel injectors or carburetor and there job is to make fuel vapor So every engine runs on vapor Some are more efficient than others But same principle I tried something similar on a little honda lawnmower engine and turned out I used more fuel with my home made vapor carburetor
@@kevinrussell6530 maybe it's not the same but the end result is close to the same With new technology the computers calculate exactly how much fuel and air mixture is needed at what rpm if you run on vapor you can still run rich to much vapor will still have a bat fuel economy What I'm trying to say running on fumes with a home made fumes generator will be hard to control the fuel air mixture just right maybe if you sensor it and regulat it with sensors you can get a good result but not with a jery can and some holes I tried it if it would work I would convert my car in no time
Why hasn't anybody tried running the holes to the trunk trying it that way should work the same at least it won't suck gas up in your carburetor and backfire and cause a fire
+javid zare I don't really know, honestly. I see many people have been successful in making simple vapor systems to run an engine. I'm not sure if any have been perfected to the extent that it would take to say without a doubt that vapor is significantly better in all aspects? this video shows that it works on this vehicle, at certain speeds under certain loads. but I didn't see that it would work 100% of the time in all scenarios. there are many more questions to be asked, I think.
Good patent but ..... If the police stop you for control you will have a problem because the patent is not in line of the safety standards. In an accident, the car contract will not apply and the insurance company will not pay. On uphill roads the car will stop. Otherwise as an idea is not bad.
+Josh Feller theres absolutely no need, the only time youd need to monitor or change afr is if your car is turbo'ed, and if you do this if your car is turboed your completely dumb because youll blow up your car
very comprehensive video on this concept!! Maybe the key to this is having a storage/vapor vessel equivalent to the size and CFM intake if the motor? Like it, wish I was along for the ride on this one.
The more you run off of VAPOR" the Cooler everything is,!! That's why it's Very important" to Heat the gas before it is used as Vapor.!!! Check out some of the other videos, on Running you're Car on VAPOR.!!!! Be very carfule, so you're r cn76
Good for you. Don't let bad posts stop you. Some people are followers and others cannot get off their chair. Check out Progue Carburetor 200 GPM. Good read and if you can get to Don Garlits Museum of Drag Racing, Ocala Florida. there is a Progue Carburetor on display. See if you can improve on your system. Good Luck.
nice mis-firing going on, that flashing mil or check engine light told the world that. I wonder how the fuel pump felt being dead headed. Just imagine the heat it was building in the fuel.
the flashing light has done that for over 2 years. it's a random misfire code due to the common crv valve issue. it had nothing to do with the experiment. the experiment threw no new codes
I would be worried about an older fuel pump overheating quickly. Instead of clamping the line, you could try pulling the fuel pump fuse. I did find the video very interesting. Thanks
When we were kids, we ran out of gas. (surprise) We got tired of pushing the car and got the idea of using the fumes in the tank to run the car. Just took off the gas cap and blocked the snorkel on the air cleaner and drove to the gas station.
I know it works. Just not sure why it's not commonly used. Seems the obvious solution to eliminating the accelerator pump and a few other things. Good job.
Good video. If you're still working with this, find a way to draw hot air from the exhaust manifold into the gas can. As you may have noticed, the gasoline gets cold when you run just ambient air through it. The vaporization efficiency increases as the temperature hitting the gasoline goes up.
@11:20 - Tom Ogle added a heater coil to his tank. The heated gas increased MPG significantly. Thanks for making the video
I have done a similar experiment with an old ( 4 stroke ) lawn mower using an ammo box , there are many who will tell you about how it is crap but I am preparing to extend this to a generator .... Anyone else feel like not paying for hydro ? Look into it
thanks for the video most videos only show such stunts at idle run..yours ran 60 mph! impressive for a proof of concept..might be easier to emulate this on a single cylinder motorcycle with no air filter element and some preheating on the fuel from the very heat of the engine produced (no need for actual heaters)
Why did you risk damaging the fuel line instead of just pulling the fuses?
I am so glad I found your video because out of all the ones I watched that go over how to build an evaporator and install it you're the first one that explains exactly how to do it and how far the hoses have to be going inside the tank and how to pinch the fuel line and also building that too that is connected to your air intake and into the house is that going to the tank now I can see the whole picture and I can actually do it myself I'm going to do a video and comment back on yours and how my vehicle did I have a V6 Taurus and I'm trying to gain at least anywhere between 5 to 10 thank you and again👏💪🍻
yeaaa you need to take the fuel pump fuse out to make sure its just vapors.
Now it's been 4 yeas since u posted this what are your thoughts now
SuperPeter05 bruh we dint even know if he’s still alive after posting this
I might have a cxouple of suggestions that will improve your setup. My brother and his friend made a headgasket with four sets of platinum points equally mounted around the cylinder. It was layered in between the gasket material like a circuit board. So instead of firing from the spark plug it fired from each set of points. The platinum points had no place to hold any carbon build up so would not foul out like a spark plug. and firing the gas mixture with four sets of spark burned the fuel vapor quicker and more completely.(old airplanes had two sparkplugs per cylinder)
Giving an increase of power with less fuel consumtion and less emissions. My idea to add to this is to reduce fuel droplet size thus increasing surface area of the fuel by using an ultrasonic mister which instantly vaporizes a drop of liquid to a finer mist than a carburator is capable of. This should also increase power while decreasing consumption andEmmisions. The reason you do not see this gasket method of spark on the market now is a sparkplug company bought their patent. Their was a drawback to the design they had not worked out at the time and that was that the gasket was thicker and you had to torque it down just right or it would blow the gasket. But this was 40 years ago and we have much better materials to work with now. I really hope you read this or anyone else . It could be an easy add on for cars well worth the cost for the increased economy and decrease of emmisions. Hopefully give a little more time for the transition to the totally electric cars that are coming. Jake The Snake Was interested in the gasket for his race cars as it would have been a huge advantage. So if you need an investor you might want to try him. It also goes to show how money trumps humanityand that big corporations (Firestone) are more concerned with the bottom line than reducing polution to save mankind. We really need to institute a crimes against humanity law for people like that and Big Pharma who suppress or overprice discoveries that benefit life.. Please send a comment should you read this. I like to think I am at least trying yo help.
Hi would be awesome if you could explain it in greater detail, how and exactly where did you install platinum points, how did they fire?
I really don't know much about this, but my sense is that you might want to consider removing the fuse for your fuel pump. It's still trying to pump and I don't think the back pressure from the pinched off hose is going to be good for it. Just a thought.
You need to put your lines in after the mass flow sensor otherwise, as you stated, sensors on these kind of engines don't know how to read something that is not a normal part of the programmed system.
I did this experiment back in the '80s on a 1975 Vega Kammback wagon only there I plumbed my vapor line into the PCV hose. I don't know if or how it helped but I do know that after a time water vapor inherent in the air was taking the place of gasoline vapor that was being pulled out of the jar. I would have liked having a jet orifice that is adjustable on the outside of the carb. Some time past doing the vapor experiment I found that I could put two or three strands of that very fine "angel hair" wire through the jet hole to increase my mileage a bit. It is a fine line before the performance starts to stifle but on one trip East I recorded 27 highway mpg which I was happy about. It had the Holley staged two barrel and I rarely used it that way.
just noticed his check engine light starts to blink when he gets on the highway which if I'm not mistaken means a misfire is occurring.?
People do something similar in sweden with diesel but not for fuel efficency they put spill oil in a gas tank in the engine bay and add evry mod to it so alot of black smoke would come out but if you get stopped like that you get a big ticket like 1000 dollars plus you have to go through an inspection again
Fuel characteristics vary in liquid stage to gaseous stage. Engine dynamics change too.
AFR for liquid fuel:- 14.7:1
AFR for gaseous fuel:- 9:1 or 10.5:1
Means you need to block the intake air flow by atleast 40% to achieve proper combustion and avoid lean mixtures which can overheat the engine.
Also, just like it's done for LPG/CNG fuelled cars where Timing is advanced to 20° BTDC, since we are still using petrol in gaseous form, Engine Timing must be advanced by 2° or 3° above the stock base timing(10° BTDC) for achieving proper ignition.
Aviation rumors: people say that running lean at first gives more heat, but if you keep on leaning it further it actually runs cooler (from pilot experiences when low on fuel). I think you are on the right track, keep working it, you could use an older fashion 'vacuum" solenoid tapped with a T fitting into to any vacuum line to run the solenoid (not for fumes) to actuate a valve that makes it Richer when starting out (less vacuum), and make it run leaner when at normal vacuum conditions (up to speed) . REMEM the old vacuum operated windshield wipers, they would quit working on hills unless you let off the gas because of less vaccum. So its a research to find the happy compromise where when engine is under more load (like hills or starting out, it makes it richer, and vice versa). At higher speeds over 60 it may also have less vacuum so that would need some additional adjustment or a "shut off" condition based on speed?
FYI: I use the vacuum solenoid all the time for years now on my older minivan to cut off the AC on engine loaded (starting out or up hills), and it really does seem to save me mpg (yes I have manual overide switch for situations where I prefer to lose the mpg at first, for increased AC like when car sits in sun too long and at first its heat soaked.
The flashing ses light shows it is misfiring, fix that and you will get better mileage too. Good video thanks for sharing. This is the exact concept as a carburetor , vapor is what burns. try a coolant tube in the red tank, that will make the gasoline hotter and it will vaporize more efficiently, giving even better fuel mileage and more power.
pull the fuel pump fuse and disconnect the injectors. the injectors will get damaged by opening without any fuel in the rails.
and there is no need to keep the fuel system pressurized.
pulling the relay is pretty much the same. the ECU has to detect fuel pressure.
try a mixer knob that you can adjust from the car and plug a ECU reader in to see if its running lean or not (stationary) also try disconnect the injectors as running them without gas cant be good haha
You can also run an engine like this using hydrogen, it's also how NOX is applied. But the problem is there are risks. You might end up running the engine very lean and killing it (which is the logical result) and the more fuel vapour you let through the air intake the less air it gets, you need both at the right amounts for everything to work as it should. By the time you tune it to the right balance you might be back to where a normal car would be :/
Make the stage one tubes smaller than the stage two intake tubes
Justin, feed the floor heat setting of your interior heater to your gasoline bubbler. Then you can control the temperature going to your molested Gerry Can. Why your engine is stumbling is because your octane level is increasing. Octane doesn't evaporate till you heat it to 400 F. But that is another speech and we are not dealing with liquid gasoline. So doing a timing correction does not apply here. Sorry for confusing everybody. Why don't you try some pure Alcohol instead of Gasoline? Alcohol does not have these ignition delay ingredients. Moonshine would work.
pull the fuel pump relay as fuel at that pressure can still get through that hose
what kind of non-return valves would work? Anyone know?
You are on the right track. Plz tell us how much better is the mpg at 70mph? thanks.
I see. Thanks for the input. I plan to try the same thing on almost the same engine; but add a few valves that I can make the ecu control to adjust air fuel. I also have a specialized oxygen sensor to be able to see actual air fuel ratio in real time. If I stumble on something worth while, I'll pass it along. But first starting with a 7kw generator to figure out how I should approach it on the large scale.
Definitely a cool experiment….but there are things to think about if you have a setup like that✌️🙂
Whats the maximum rpm for this method .why everyone doesn't use this system
search up why tom ogle died thats your answer.
Because it doesn't generate enough torque or horsepower to be useful. People want to be able to tow things, or drive up long steep inclines, or run A/C or heaters which puts more load on the alternator
@@monroy194 you know, that and vapour powered engines don't provide enough horsepower or torque to be useful
@@monroy194 www.quora.com/Did-Tom-Ogle-invent-a-vapour-engine-and-why-is-no-one-working-on-this
It's because vapour powered engines are simply not practical enough.
Justin Sane would it be possible for you to edit the engines of some cars in Nigeria for a business project? Thank you.
fuel injection runs higher fuel pressure, if you could increase pressure some how? maybe some light tension one way valves on inlet hoses. Or force air into inlet hoses to increase pressure in fuel can, obviously a metal sealed fuel can would be better.
I think.... you could leave the Honda fuel system intact, (full and pressurised fuel rail) and the electronic metering/knock sensors would shut off the injectors most of the time. This would make it a similar, but much less complicated system, to the electrolysis/water/hydrogen generators that people fit. Then when the can is empty, the car carries on on tank gas, so you don't have to get out and undo the clamp in the rain :-)
If it does leave the fuel line open do you think the knock sensors would turn off the fuel that is going to the injectors because the car is running from the fumes? Is next a lot of sense I was thinking about just creating a toggle switch to turn off my fuel pump and injectors I just don't know if the main computer will figure out check engine light at that point this is very interesting
try to back of your valve lash, mine started doing that as winter came in, pulled the cover and cylinder 1 and 3 had a valve held open.
already tried. to late. burned valve
+Justin Sane was like this when I bought it
"Late" is a place you can go to, Justin? How does that work?
+Justin Sane How does the speed control work to control the gas peddle ?
Should hear mine now, 2nd intake valve in on cylinder one has recessed so far into the head that I can't back off the rocker anymore, rocker is riding the cam all the time.
Hey man Thats very good project, tell me what was your obstacles you came across plus what would you like to achieve in terms of running on fumes Thank you for your video Arthur from Glasgow
Bungo Man Google Tom Ogle 100mpg car and you'll find your answer
Hey Man just watching your video How are you getting on with this fumes Looks very simple thi system I want to try it I have a peugeot 106 1.5d 1996 yr You see this clamp sitting on the fuel hose The fuel pump is still working and will this not cause any damage when the pressure increases ?
I see you try to switch off a fuel pump Great
You think it can work on diesel cars ? Thx
Can you show how this 3rd hose you connected to What is set up of this all system Thank you a lot
get a p8r jdm head or older pr4 LS b18, no sinking valve seat issues, the p8r actually has 2mm larger intake valves, use your z2 cams
There are so many people scoffing at this idea... However the only concern to me is the safety considering the backfire explosion... Can somebody let us know how to install a flashback arrestor
tom ogle would be proud of you carry on the experiments and enlighten us!!
How do you control Throttle to Increase Speed going down the road since the accelerator and fuel pump are out of picture???
Thanks for the video hope you can come up with something better maybe a sponge in the can or something to help with evaporation and sloshing. Adding a simple water injection system by vacuum could help with the bucking but won't increase fuel econ but up the pressure in the cylinders and causing a cooling effect on the valves that is what most people are worried about burning.The ecu light flashing at the beginning of the video is a warning that the ecu is experiencing misfiring in the engine due to a fouled spark plug or coil pack going out happen to an older car i used to own. Good luck and stay safe.
5:47 just like Penny from the BBT
What about the gas sloshing around getting sucked into the hoses?
Im curious about how much mpg do you get,
I know its a basic setup, for a beginning it is bery well!
Any updates for this build?
How has the project progressed? Still running it? The fuel pump connector is under the rear seat; pretty to access through a port that is held in by a few phillips head screws.
no I sold that car a while ago.
This is basically the just of Smoky Yunicks HOt Vapor Cycle design?
Have you not tried this on your malibu as yet?
it can run a crank shaft like that , but at 8:45 he pushed it in to a plane lie , 60mph .. give it a break , it good enough you turned it on, you learned how engines work , good for you
Pull out the fuel pump relay/fuse rather than pinching the hose. Flashback arrestor would be smart, too. Good start with this, man!
worryphree fuse did more then kill fuel pump. i tried that
Should watch the full video and you would have answered your own ques
I know. I'm stupid. When I was three years old, and I didn't know how to read yet, would you call me stupid as an illiterate 3 year old? What about the extraterrestrials jumping around in flying saucers? I bet they wish we humans would wake up and ask them for help! I wonder if they think we're stupid?
worryphree Yes they do think we're stupid. But they want what we got.
lol fuses and relay take out and no problem lol and fuel pump will be like new if it n normal condition
The Check Engine Lamp is flashing! That means there is a problem that can damage the catalytic converter. A flashing CEL indicates either a major misfire (not in this case) or excessively rich or excessively lean condition. This system will work, it can be done, but long term engine damage may result, catalytic converter damage will result and emission regulations will be altered.
The best bet is to do this on a car pre-OBD II (1995 or older) where in most states (those without dyno inspections) emission components and an OBD II scan are not necessary. CEL is on--you fail inspection. Then you can remove the catalytic converter and prevent it's becoming "plugged" due to damage. An old car with a carburetor works the best. Trust me, I've done it.
I am a retired auto technician who worked for GM and Ford and owned a service station and Lee Myles Transmission franchise. You can run a vehicle like this...just don't let the Feds catch you.
Hi! Thanks for the insight, this idea is really something, it will possibly be the next stage after hybrids and then innevitably the Akku car (Musk is showing the way) BUT here in europe all newer vehicles and even Jap. vehicles use complex direct port injection as well as forced induction, my question out of curiousity is: could such a system work for these type of engines? what about turbo diesels - even with larger displacement? also at what rate of power would the system fail? 60 MPH for a old 2L honda engine seems possible but what about say a turbo 3L BMW engine or take it to the extreme a 6.2 AMG V8 I would love to read your ideas on the matter, cheers!
Another thing they don't tell you is that most bubbler systems leave unburnt fuel in the bubbler. Once the more volatile fuel is used up the engine dies. Leaving you with fuel that is practically worthless. Maybe I will find a use for it.
Does this make the engine run lean?
Great experiment. If you pinch the fuel line does it damage the fuel pump? don't you have to stop the fuel pump by disconnecting it? i'm trying this on my ride-on mower. If it works i'll try it on a fiat panda.
In a sense i agree that you can run it off vapors. But if you truly do the math this will eventually cause engine damage and or catastrophic failure for the simple fact that it runs lean beyond the parameters allowed. You'll be able to idle and maybe move around using just the idle but the second you give it a bit to much gas it will go lean beyond the ability for the ecu to pull timing and could cause it to blow up. There's really no way of controlling the amount of vapor intake therefore it can't compensate for it. cool trick but not something that will work in a real life scenario.
if you watch the video you will see i was actually to rich. like very very rich. you would need to build a much more technical device to control vapor.
How will this damage the engine considering the fact that carburetors or fuel injection systems also mix fuel and air vaporize it and then burn it in the engine Lot of fuel is wasted in this way isn't it?
Justin Sane Do you plan to reduce air or increase air ?
As a pilot, such as I,you have to utilize on-board fuel/air mixture controls all of the time. The most efficient, powerful and ideal ratio for 100LL fuel is 12.5:1 by weight (as compared to 14.6:1 for 87 octane). The reason that this control is needed is because air weight varies at different altitudes (ex. the higher you go the lighter the air). My home airport is near Houston Tx 343ft above sea level. While on the ground I run the engine at full rich. Once I climb to about 6000 or so I will notice a reduction of power which simply translates to a loss of rpm. The reason for this is because I will be running too rich for the given altitude, say probably about 11:1. All that is experienced is a loss of power, no detonation or damage to the engine in any way. It is extremely common. The timing is actually not affected at all. Same goes the other way, When I am near ground level and run it too lean say 14:1 for example, there is only a loss of power. My point is that the ideal ratio of air-fuel is the ratio at which a certain fuel and air can be mixed which produces the most power. A reduction or increase of the ratio can not affect timing unless the type of fuel is different. Remember though, only 20% of injected fuel gets burned and included in that ideal ratio, the rest is wasted. So your average fuel injection injects way more fuel that 14.6:1 to make up for the in-efficiency
Carlos Dingo non-sense
fuel trims wll not set if check engine light is on
perhaps you could wire the fuel pump feed into some kind of fan to force more air through the fuel and make more fumes - that way with a variable speed fan you can directly adjust the amount of vapor going though... just ideas :)
i haven’t read any of the other questions... did you reset the ecm
So if you step on the gas to the go faster because of vacuum or what
Try to disconnect the wires at the fuel pump.
I will trust this once I get an afr on a dyno.
how much mpg are you getting and is there any drop in power or is the engine running lean at all?
Why not pull the fuel pump relay to shut pump off???
make check valve out of a pvc coupling rubber ball if you get back fire BAAAM
How does it work in long run?
Can ya run the a/c ?
Did u unplug the fuel injectors? Great video!
But put it on a dyno, does it even produce 40% of the torque and horsepower that it would normally?
So now I know what happened to all those cars on the side of the highway that caught on fire in the engine compartment.
Just kidding, thanks for the video
will this work while racing? or going faster on the highway?
Fuel pump relay has to be removed Justin
Well he did pinch the fuel line with a clamp. Same thing done. Removing the fuel pump relay is definitely the smarter way to go about the same task.
so if this works why don't engineers program cars to do this on the highway when there isn't any erratic throttle inputs? Or hell in cruise control mode even. They now have drive by wire throttle bodies and they have direct injection that they can control by computer as well.
they want us to buy oil and gas
Justin Sane Most of those of who have commented on this video of yours are not encouraging wonder why?
Yeah justin is right. Do you think that the epa is here to protect your environment? If you do, you are mistaken. The EPA is in store to make the government some revenue, period. Corruptivity in our economy all while using global warming as the scape goat.
it's possible, not profitable... for greedy fuel companies.
They do.....modern engine ecus lean the fuel mixture at the mid to high rpm range....
When you cold evaporate the six ingredients of gasoline, five of those ingredients, which are the remaining ingredients, do not evaporate, so guess where they go?...and what effect do they have on your remaining gasoline cocktail? The Flash Point goes into a delay reaction. That is why when you add more octane to gasoline, you can advance the timing more.
jus pull gas pump relay instead pinching hose
Does this work only with diesel motors?
maybe put fuel injector cleaner in red gas tank. if vapor smell is strong or diesel u can get better acceleration
...I bet the Insurance Companies are in on this "Lets keep it from the public"deal
Still though, once the can is empty, any supposed fumes left shouldn't be enough to keep the engine running.
Believe it or not most modern cars have fuel injectors or carburetor and there job is to make fuel vapor
So every engine runs on vapor
Some are more efficient than others
But same principle
I tried something similar on a little honda lawnmower engine and turned out I used more fuel with my home made vapor carburetor
But don't fuel injectors and carburetors atomize (spray) the fuel? That's not the same as vapor.
@@kevinrussell6530 maybe it's not the same but the end result is close to the same
With new technology the computers calculate exactly how much fuel and air mixture is needed at what rpm if you run on vapor you can still run rich to much vapor will still have a bat fuel economy
What I'm trying to say running on fumes with a home made fumes generator will be hard to control the fuel air mixture just right maybe if you sensor it and regulat it with sensors you can get a good result but not with a jery can and some holes
I tried it if it would work I would convert my car in no time
Gooood idea what happens when car backfires tru intake
Well since you don't need an air filter you might as well pour dirt in the thing
Does it affect the performance and speed??
Why hasn't anybody tried running the holes to the trunk trying it that way should work the same at least it won't suck gas up in your carburetor and backfire and cause a fire
How do you keep the fuel from sloshing around in that tank while driving?
that is a very good question. . . i suppose mix it with raspberry jelly, that way you get a nice rasping sound from the exhaust !!!
SO whats the accelerator pedal hooked to
surely it still mechanically opens the air intake
gasoline burns at approximately 12:1 ratio. you need 1 part gas to 12 parts air. A little math and you could be on your way to something good.
Wouldn’t that be bad for your valves?
this is the same idea as the evap system with charcoal canister it's already used on almost all newer cars
I would think it would make the engine run lean and eventually burn it up
How is your car running
And it just works on diesel ? What about the petrol system
this is done on a petrol. the first generation CRV is gasoline only.
boobam i dont get why doesnt every one use this method? its dangerous or low at output performance or what?!
+javid zare I don't really know, honestly. I see many people have been successful in making simple vapor systems to run an engine. I'm not sure if any have been perfected to the extent that it would take to say without a doubt that vapor is significantly better in all aspects? this video shows that it works on this vehicle, at certain speeds under certain loads. but I didn't see that it would work 100% of the time in all scenarios. there are many more questions to be asked, I think.
Yes and yes. It's dangerous, and power output is low.
Diesel IS petrol(eum), Javid, so... yes.
without doing any modifications can you added into the air intake, could it safe you more gas? let me know I'm very interesting
Good patent but ..... If the police stop you for control you will have a problem because the patent is not in line of the safety standards. In an accident, the car contract will not apply and the insurance company will not pay. On uphill roads the car will stop. Otherwise as an idea is not bad.
When did he supposedly "patent" this?
this would varnish the hell out of your manifold.
major lean condition would be created here. Burn valves and take out your catalytic convertor
on efi cars you may need a chip to tune it.
lol know what your talking about before you comment
I do. I meant to tune it. aka air to fuel mix that u want. but ok
+Josh Feller theres absolutely no need, the only time youd need to monitor or change afr is if your car is turbo'ed, and if you do this if your car is turboed your completely dumb because youll blow up your car
I don't think he has enough airflow for the high rpm's
very comprehensive video on this concept!! Maybe the key to this is having a storage/vapor vessel equivalent to the size and CFM intake if the motor? Like it, wish I was along for the ride on this one.
so can you accually drive this without gas going flat
Yeah and the tires won't go flat either.
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Good for you. Don't let bad posts stop you. Some people are followers and others cannot get off their chair. Check out Progue Carburetor 200 GPM. Good read and if you can get to Don Garlits Museum of Drag Racing, Ocala Florida. there is a Progue Carburetor on display. See if you can improve on your system. Good Luck.
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Excelente trabajo!!!
nice mis-firing going on, that flashing mil or check engine light told the world that. I wonder how the fuel pump felt being dead headed. Just imagine the heat it was building in the fuel.
the flashing light has done that for over 2 years. it's a random misfire code due to the common crv valve issue. it had nothing to do with the experiment. the experiment threw no new codes
+Tim insane I thought the same thing about clamping the fuel line. It cant be good.
It was a test for a few minutes. You guys seem to think it was a permanent thing.
I would be worried about an older fuel pump overheating quickly. Instead of clamping the line, you could try pulling the fuel pump fuse. I did find the video very interesting. Thanks
+Джейсон Хичкок I liked his comment. Did he like his own comment too?