1:12 vs 1:7...and I've read internet experts complain that 1:7 is too much for 30cal rifles shooting heavy bullets. Yet they lap it up on 5.56mm and 6.5mm...keyboard queens.
@@altruisticscoundrel I have no experience with 1/7 from .308. All of my experience with .308 is 1/11 twist shooting M118LR, which is good for about a half MOA at 100 yards .
I like your experimentation, great way to learn. I learned the 69 grain factory match rounds did not work well for US Service Rifle Competition except at the 200 yard line. My solution was to just shoot the 77 grain match ammo at 200 and 300 yards, and 80 grain hand loads at the 600 or 1000 yard line. These days I find that if I am shooting in 100 yard reduced course matches a 53 grain flat base SMK can get half MOA results so I shoot it and iron sight scores are in the mid 760’s to mid 770’s. Fun stuff. At any rate the 69 grain match ammo out there today has kind of taken a backseat to 77 grain match loadings for a multitude of reasons and the big surprise is Remington making rifles chambered for.223 with 1/12 twist since that twist does not support today’s shooter who wants long range capability from his .233 rifle. One more thing, my experience suggests the 1/7 twist supports best results from all bullets in the 52 to 80 grain arena. My service rifle competition performance proves it.
My 16 inch aero precision barrel 1:8 .223wylde 416r government profile loves this loading 9/16th of an inch group at 100 with a Vortex crossfire 2-7x32 scope and 3.5 pound single stage trigger
@@bubbaleon !:12 isn't at all odd for .223. I have a couple of them in bolt guns plus some 1:9 guns also. The M16's issued to us old Army vets also had a 1:12 twist. The ammo was all 55gr back then; like the M193 ball.
Yeah, they weren't nice round holes. I'd say the further distance you shoot the more you'll see the lack of stabilization. However, 1:12 twist is great for 45-55 grain, that's what my single shot NEF rifle was, it would stack figure 8 holes with 52 grain jhp from American Eagle. Then they discontinued that round and the next best was a 50 grain Hornady. Even my Weatherby Vanguard was a 1:10 twist, shot 55 grain black hills sp ammo really well. Heavier bullets from either rifle, I never noticed any tumbling but the groups sure opened up and the holes weren't clean so I knew they didn't stabilize well.
Just wanted to add that I shoot these rounds out of my 20in 1:7 twist white oak armament match barrel and get sub moa groups every time. It's shoots very well, not white as well as hornady match but still very good ammo.
I love that Remington you painted with your boys and I’ve seen you print some pretty tight groups with it. Them 69gr’ers must taste like Brussel Sprouts to her 😂😂 just not her food.
You can load by volume but for match ammo I use a diamond scale that also reads in grains and extruded powder for down to the kernel identical powder charges in match stuff. For all around shooting I use a Lee Powder by Volume measure and Lee Scoops along with a Hornady Scale to fill a spent primered case then weigh each powder charge trickle to desired or use a plastic picnic spoon to get extruded powder within .1grain accurate for each cartridge. Can weigh and sort the bullets and brass and by length etc.
@@blindarchershaunhenderson3769 Name me the two bullets and I will try to explain. There is a sweet zone for every bullet for stabilization. The bottom line is rpms. But people talk in twist rates because in general a 1/7 will give more rpms than a 1/8 twist. But it depends on barrel length too and velocity. Lets say a bullet needs 250,000 rpms to stabilize well You can make a 1/9 twist spin as fast as a 1/8 twist. by adding velocity or barrel length. 400 fps in this example. MV = 2800 FPS 8-Twist RPM = 2800 x (12/8) x 60 = 252,000 RPM MV = 3200 FPS 9-Twist RPM = 3200 x (12/9) x 60 = 256,000 RPM
@@Physics072yep I get all that but if you use a 55 grain bullet in a 1-in 7, it will perform differently to a 112 grain bullet in the same 1-in-7, this is not because of bullet length as you said in your first post, it is because of the difference in performance which comes from the conjunction of bullet weight and twist rate
@@blindarchershaunhenderson3769 I said in general the longer bullet needs more spin to stablize. Thus a faster twist. Two bullets the same weight one flat base one boat tail the flat base will stabilize faster or require less spin than a boat tail in general but boat tails of same length are also a little longer. Every bullet design has its sweet spot in terms of stabilization. Its RPMs but they don't tell you that. They tell you what twist rate and velocity it will peform best at. And in general in a give caliber the longer bullets require faster twist rates. Ie the tracers rounds for M16s M4s required a 1/7 twist (longer bullet) but the gun shoots 855 ammo best at 1/9 twist, it was a compromise.
Some good shooting WTW. I never tried the Win 69 grain match ammo. I've had good luck with Freedom Munitions 69 grain bthp out of a 20" bca barrel and it was sub moa. I haven't tried for accuracy out of my other AR's yet.
Never tried Winchester Match in 69 grains, but that's been about my experience. My entry level AR loves 77 grain bullets and shoots just as fine as a more expensive rifle whereas my Rem 700 likes the lighter bullets. Some people used to not like reloading 223 because it used to be cheap and plentiful, but after reloading this stuff for years I've got cases of ammo that I know will make small jagged holes at 100. Besides, it's cheaper to reload than to try buying this match ammo in bulk. LOL
Like you Who, I prefer the bolt for hunting and keep the semis in arms reach at night. Long range here is 200 yards, just not many places you can see that far in the mountains. Gods speed to ya WTW FAMILY AND FANS. 👍🇺🇸
I hope you had a great Labor Day Adam!! That is pretty much what I would have expected, that the AR would have done better based solely on twist rates. A 1:7 or 1:8 would be the best match for those bullets. Do you have any 5-round AR magazines? If not you might think about getting one. If you used that 5-round mag you could most likely use your lead-sled with it as well. I bet if you had done that you might have had a slightly better group, but who knows...
Yeah thats a fast twist bullet for sure. I Have a 1 -9'' semi auto and a 1-12'' Bolt gun. If a 1-9" will stabilize 62 gr green tip, the 1-9'' will probably be OK.
Commenting here before the shooting starts I'll edit after the end. My thoughts are the 69 gr in the bolt gun might be too long to stabilize. I'm going to bet on the auto. Let the shooting begin! After action: I believe the semiauto edged out the win, but twist rate in neither rifle was optimum for the Sierra 69 gr. Matchking. Under stabilized in the bolt gun and over stabilized in the SA. 1 in 9 is probably a better match for this bullet/cartridge. Quite educational video however. 2 thumbs up.
My handloads with 69 grain HPBT match bullets (Nosler Custom Competition) work fantastic in 1:9 or 1:7 barrels. From my buddy's Bushmaster Varminter (1:9 AR-15), they go into groups just a little over 1" at 200 meters.
I got lucky and found really good loads for my rifles, both with 1/7 twist rates. I tried some 68 grain bullets and they wouldn’t stay on an 8” target at 200 yards. I skipped and went straight to the 75 and 77 grain bullets. Both will also shoot 55 grain bullets nearly as well. Best factory loads are Hornady Black 223 75 gr Match and out of the blue Frontier 223 55 grain FMJ. Good luck finding the 75 grain but the Frontier is more common.
The AR hits were walking left to right. May want to check clearances and potential pressure points that could cause it as the barrel heats up. May make an improvement in groups.
I zero my rifles at 75 yards. My AR is a PSA with a 1:7 SS pencil barrel. My bolt action is a Thompson Centerfire Compass with a 1:9 barrel. My AR is best with 55 grain and my bolt action with heavier rounds. At 75 yards I'm shooting dimes with both. I have never had good luck with Winchester Match grade, Tula steel case is better for me. The best ammo for me in my lower caliber rifles has been either Hornady or CCI.
Like many are saying, the twist rate has to be right for the length of the slug... Faster rate to stablize a longer slug. I had a .243 win A.Improved built on a Remington 700. I mis-judged what I needed for a twist rate for the heavyer slugs, and so I can go up to about 80 Gr and then it will just not stableize... 74-75 work very well though! They are not over stabilized or under stableized... but are "just right" ..
We need to bring you out to the pro range and fix the walk to the right creep on your groups buddy. You shoot pretty good, but guns tend to walk ya to the right a tad bit and jump ya a bit up and down. Love the tune man bing bang boom boom!!!
Brother that 1:12 is a is a barrel designed for really really light 223 projectiles stuff like 40 40 grain 45 grain 50 grain pills... That bolt you've got there is a damn fine prairie dog gun though
The 1:8 twist rate will perform much better. Those at 1:12 were barely stable. As soon as it touched the paper it started keyholing. 1:10 might do okay but 1:8 be a bit better I think. At a minimum it should be 1:10 twist rate.
In a lot of rifles with the 1 in 12 rate boat tails seem to have a wobble. May also be affected by barrel length. Lot of so called Match ammo isn't as accurate unless with heavy barrel. Thanks for the info
The 69 grain projectiles according to my research needs a 1/9 twist and faster. I am a huge fan of the 60-70 grain projectile in the 5.56x45/.223 Remington so I am interested in this test.
1:8 should be able to get all the way up to the 77 grain match kings by Sierra get the 223wylde chamber too if you want to be accurate with 5.56nato and .223rem
I bought a couple boxes of win match 223 for 45$ 2 days ago. Its retarded how much I paid for it. The speer gold dot 75 grain 223 was 5 bucks cheaper. I hope my gun shoots better than 2 inch groups.
Sadly some of the last .223 ammo my local walmart sold before they punished all of us for the actions of an evil person by no longer selling .223, .300blk, 7.62x39, handgun ammo etc. l luckily did find their last case of 5.56 hidden in the back on the shelf. $55 for 150 rounds back at that time for that case.
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The AR punched clean round holes. The bolt action holes were jagged. I believe the 1:7 twist rate stabilized the heavier bullets better.
1:12 vs 1:7...and I've read internet experts complain that 1:7 is too much for 30cal rifles shooting heavy bullets.
Yet they lap it up on 5.56mm and 6.5mm...keyboard queens.
I'm running a 1:8 in my saint and get 1 inch groups all day with 69gr rounds. Moving up to 77gr otm black hills I grab my colt 6920 with the 1:7. JS
@@altruisticscoundrel I have no experience with 1/7 from .308. All of my experience with .308 is 1/11 twist shooting M118LR, which is good for about a half MOA at 100 yards .
AWAYS A GOOD DAY WHEN AT THE RANGE !!! TRUE SO TRUE ! GOD BLESS YA BROTHER
I've done better with a 1:8 with 69gr.
Aussie Outback.
I like your experimentation, great way to learn. I learned the 69 grain factory match rounds did not work well for US Service Rifle Competition except at the 200 yard line. My solution was to just shoot the 77 grain match ammo at 200 and 300 yards, and 80 grain hand loads at the 600 or 1000 yard line. These days I find that if I am shooting in 100 yard reduced course matches a 53 grain flat base SMK can get half MOA results so I shoot it and iron sight scores are in the mid 760’s to mid 770’s. Fun stuff. At any rate the 69 grain match ammo out there today has kind of taken a backseat to 77 grain match loadings for a multitude of reasons and the big surprise is Remington making rifles chambered for.223 with 1/12 twist since that twist does not support today’s shooter who wants long range capability from his .233 rifle. One more thing, my experience suggests the 1/7 twist supports best results from all bullets in the 52 to 80 grain arena. My service rifle competition performance proves it.
I have the same Remington ADL with a 12 twist. I have only found one 60 grain bullet that will shoot out of it. It prefers 52 grain ammo the best.
It also helps to have a match grade barrel. I think the 1 in 7 the ammo should work better.
My 16 inch aero precision barrel 1:8 .223wylde 416r government profile loves this loading 9/16th of an inch group at 100 with a Vortex crossfire 2-7x32 scope and 3.5 pound single stage trigger
Oh this is fun for sure! I luuuvit! Can't go wrong with Winchester ever!
Hi mate.
Loving your content. Best regards all the way from Australia 🇦🇺🤛🏼
I come here all the day to see you say " this is about to be a really fun vedio"... 😅😅😅
Love the bolt action. 👍☕😎
I think that bolt is a sharp lil rig love to take a coyote with it and yes it's always a good day at the range thanks WTW for another great video
These bullets shot fantastic in my Sig Sauer M400 Snakebite SE with a 1-7 twist it loves them but my local gun store there $35 a box of 20
The bolt group almost looked like the bullets were becoming unstable. Not pretty round holes.
Yeah I noticed that too, getting a bit of tumble. Oval shaped holes. 1:12 is an odd twist for 223.
I would say that due to the 1:12 twist they never did stabilize
@@bubbaleon !:12 isn't at all odd for .223. I have a couple of them in bolt guns plus some 1:9 guns also. The M16's issued to us old Army vets also had a 1:12 twist. The ammo was all 55gr back then; like the M193 ball.
Yeah, they weren't nice round holes. I'd say the further distance you shoot the more you'll see the lack of stabilization. However, 1:12 twist is great for 45-55 grain, that's what my single shot NEF rifle was, it would stack figure 8 holes with 52 grain jhp from American Eagle. Then they discontinued that round and the next best was a 50 grain Hornady. Even my Weatherby Vanguard was a 1:10 twist, shot 55 grain black hills sp ammo really well. Heavier bullets from either rifle, I never noticed any tumbling but the groups sure opened up and the holes weren't clean so I knew they didn't stabilize well.
@@toddk1377 WTW. Should shoot at 200 yards. It would be interesting to see how much tumble and accuracy there would be.
great timing with this one as I recently ordered a Lithgow LA102 in 223. love watching your videos here in Australia. keep up the great work 👍
Thanks for watching Davey Boy!
I love bolt actions I have a Bergara 6.5… the paint job on the AR is freakin awesome.. wasn’t bad shootin WTW
Just wanted to add that I shoot these rounds out of my 20in 1:7 twist white oak armament match barrel and get sub moa groups every time. It's shoots very well, not white as well as hornady match but still very good ammo.
I swear it's the same 4 people that always give you a thumbs down! Haha! Love the vids WTW!
Boo lots in da bing bang. The faster the twisty, the heavier the boo you need.
Both groups look like star constellations .
With the 1/12 it looks like the bullets were key holing a bit.
They seemed slightly under stabilized. The wider group would indicate that
I agree! Key 🔑 hole 🕳 with the bolt gun. That AR should be able to do a lot better than that. 🤔
Yeah. I think old school 223 were 1 in 12 they typically were designed for 55. Fun test.
Another great video. You're on fire bro!
Made it to range today myself! AR308 break-in. Dang fun!
Great video wtw!
I love that Remington you painted with your boys and I’ve seen you print some pretty tight groups with it. Them 69gr’ers must taste like Brussel Sprouts to her 😂😂 just not her food.
A couple of key holes usually mean not stabilized
Heavy bullet with a fast twist rate 1:7, especially ARs really love it
I keep missing the live I do not get notified until about 30 minutes after it premieres
You can load by volume but for match ammo I use a diamond scale that also reads in grains and extruded powder for down to the kernel identical powder charges in match stuff. For all around shooting I use a Lee Powder by Volume measure and Lee Scoops along with a Hornady Scale to fill a spent primered case then weigh each powder charge trickle to desired or use a plastic picnic spoon to get extruded powder within .1grain accurate for each cartridge. Can weigh and sort the bullets and brass and by length etc.
Two entirely different Bing Bangs..😂.. that's funny.. second to the right of the Boom 💥 Sticks. Lol 😆.
The heavier the boollett, the faster the rate of twistiness required, in my humble opinion!
well its the longer the boollett the more twist. If you go from lead to copper the copper bullet will be longer and may require a faster twist.
@@Physics072 so how do you explain the differences in 556 bullet weight which are the same length would require different rates of twist to stabilise
@@blindarchershaunhenderson3769 Name me the two bullets and I will try to explain.
There is a sweet zone for every bullet for stabilization. The bottom line is rpms. But people talk in twist rates because in general a 1/7 will give more rpms than a 1/8 twist.
But it depends on barrel length too and velocity.
Lets say a bullet needs 250,000 rpms to stabilize well You can make a 1/9 twist spin as fast as a 1/8 twist. by adding velocity or barrel length. 400 fps in this example.
MV = 2800 FPS
8-Twist RPM = 2800 x (12/8) x 60 = 252,000 RPM
MV = 3200 FPS
9-Twist RPM = 3200 x (12/9) x 60 = 256,000 RPM
@@Physics072yep I get all that but if you use a 55 grain bullet in a 1-in 7, it will perform differently to a 112 grain bullet in the same 1-in-7, this is not because of bullet length as you said in your first post, it is because of the difference in performance which comes from the conjunction of bullet weight and twist rate
@@blindarchershaunhenderson3769 I said in general the longer bullet needs more spin to stablize. Thus a faster twist.
Two bullets the same weight one flat base one boat tail the flat base will stabilize faster or require less spin than a boat tail in general but boat tails of same length are also a little longer.
Every bullet design has its sweet spot in terms of stabilization. Its RPMs but they don't tell you that. They tell you what twist rate and velocity it will peform best at.
And in general in a give caliber the longer bullets require faster twist rates. Ie the tracers rounds for M16s M4s required a 1/7 twist (longer bullet) but the gun shoots 855 ammo best at 1/9 twist, it was a compromise.
Another great video!
Some good shooting WTW. I never tried the Win 69 grain match ammo. I've had good luck with Freedom Munitions 69 grain bthp out of a 20" bca barrel and it was sub moa. I haven't tried for accuracy out of my other AR's yet.
Never tried Winchester Match in 69 grains, but that's been about my experience. My entry level AR loves 77 grain bullets and shoots just as fine as a more expensive rifle whereas my Rem 700 likes the lighter bullets. Some people used to not like reloading 223 because it used to be cheap and plentiful, but after reloading this stuff for years I've got cases of ammo that I know will make small jagged holes at 100. Besides, it's cheaper to reload than to try buying this match ammo in bulk. LOL
Love that Remington
Like you Who, I prefer the bolt for hunting and keep the semis in arms reach at night. Long range here is 200 yards, just not many places you can see that far in the mountains. Gods speed to ya WTW FAMILY AND FANS. 👍🇺🇸
Just shows once again, match is not for every rifle...good video, really like that foam rest idea !
Hmm thats a bummer but expected as you said. Try out some more sierra bullets, but lighter ones. My 1:8 twist likes the 55gr sierra blitzking
Nice penmanship
I hope you had a great Labor Day Adam!! That is pretty much what I would have expected, that the AR would have done better based solely on twist rates. A 1:7 or 1:8 would be the best match for those bullets. Do you have any 5-round AR magazines? If not you might think about getting one. If you used that 5-round mag you could most likely use your lead-sled with it as well. I bet if you had done that you might have had a slightly better group, but who knows...
I have a 20 round steel mag that fits my sled, but I'm sure it just depends on what sled you have.
I use the 10 round mags for bench and hunting. There's not a capacity restriction in Minnesota for the areas you can hunt with a rifle
Yeah thats a fast twist bullet for sure. I Have a 1 -9'' semi auto and a 1-12'' Bolt gun. If a 1-9" will stabilize 62 gr green tip, the 1-9'' will probably be OK.
Commenting here before the shooting starts I'll edit after the end. My thoughts are the 69 gr in the bolt gun might be too long to stabilize. I'm going to bet on the auto. Let the shooting begin!
After action: I believe the semiauto edged out the win, but twist rate in neither rifle was optimum for the Sierra 69 gr. Matchking. Under stabilized in the bolt gun and over stabilized in the SA. 1 in 9 is probably a better match for this bullet/cartridge. Quite educational video however. 2 thumbs up.
My handloads with 69 grain HPBT match bullets (Nosler Custom Competition) work fantastic in 1:9 or 1:7 barrels. From my buddy's Bushmaster Varminter (1:9 AR-15), they go into groups just a little over 1" at 200 meters.
My bushmaster varminter shoots the black hills 68 gr blue box under an inch at 200 also. Sweet sweet guns!!
Pro tip: Those bullets from the bolt gun will do excellent damage. They’re not fully stabilized by the slow twist, so they’ll tumble violently.
Great Job Brother!!🧂🧂
1 in 9 twist is about the best to shoot all the weights fairly decent. At least in my experience.
Do you shoot on public or private land? Trying to find a spot in Kentucky not to sure of the laws.
I got lucky and found really good loads for my rifles, both with 1/7 twist rates. I tried some 68 grain bullets and they wouldn’t stay on an 8” target at 200 yards. I skipped and went straight to the 75 and 77 grain bullets. Both will also shoot 55 grain bullets nearly as well. Best factory loads are Hornady Black 223 75 gr Match and out of the blue Frontier 223 55 grain FMJ. Good luck finding the 75 grain but the Frontier is more common.
I think ya right on about the twist. Good shooting and i wouldnt buy that ammo. Have a wonderful night.
Thank you for the video. I guess i need to go shoot my 5.56 and my .223. Keep up the good work.
The AR hits were walking left to right. May want to check clearances and potential pressure points that could cause it as the barrel heats up. May make an improvement in groups.
Awesome! 😀
Hey Nathan
I zero my rifles at 75 yards. My AR is a PSA with a 1:7 SS pencil barrel. My bolt action is a Thompson Centerfire Compass with a 1:9 barrel. My AR is best with 55 grain and my bolt action with heavier rounds. At 75 yards I'm shooting dimes with both. I have never had good luck with Winchester Match grade, Tula steel case is better for me. The best ammo for me in my lower caliber rifles has been either Hornady or CCI.
Happy Labor day weekend. I hope everything is going well for you.
Looks great whoteewho
Like many are saying, the twist rate has to be right for the length of the slug... Faster rate to stablize a longer slug. I had a .243 win A.Improved built on a Remington 700. I mis-judged what I needed for a twist rate for the heavyer slugs, and so I can go up to about 80 Gr and then it will just not stableize... 74-75 work very well though! They are not over stabilized or under stableized... but are "just right" ..
Pretty looking duds.
I got a Tikka T3X Lite .223 with a stainless barrel. I’m gonna give these a whirl next time out in the bush.
Good ammunition man, my BCM with a 1/7 twist loves that 69 gr. 1/2 inch groups.
We need to bring you out to the pro range and fix the walk to the right creep on your groups buddy. You shoot pretty good, but guns tend to walk ya to the right a tad bit and jump ya a bit up and down. Love the tune man bing bang boom boom!!!
By a Tikka T3x with 1:8 twist. Great 223 Bolt, it Will out shoot your remington any day. 😎
Brother that 1:12 is a is a barrel designed for really really light 223 projectiles stuff like 40 40 grain 45 grain 50 grain pills...
That bolt you've got there is a damn fine prairie dog gun though
The 1:12 twist on the Remington is more suited for the lighter bullets, 55 grain and lighter
The 1:8 twist rate will perform much better. Those at 1:12 were barely stable. As soon as it touched the paper it started keyholing. 1:10 might do okay but 1:8 be a bit better I think. At a minimum it should be 1:10 twist rate.
In a lot of rifles with the 1 in 12 rate boat tails seem to have a wobble. May also be affected by barrel length. Lot of so called Match ammo isn't as accurate unless with heavy barrel. Thanks for the info
I have 1-9 mine loves heavy stuff
Hey what happened to the new bolt handle knob you just put on the rem i don’t see it here
I filmed this video before that one 😆
Oh ok 👍🏻
I was expecting better out of both rifles. I shot some 70ish grain bullets with my Remington and got sub moa.
What are those supports you are using, the piece of foam and the bag at the back? I'd like to buy them for my plinking?
I see you had a good day
Good night
Your buddy's .223 handloads were a hundred times better🇺🇸✝🇺🇸
Maybe a mini 14 would work better. You were able to hold a 2 inch group with iron sights with the mini. Always a great day at the range!
Did the bark sound the same out both boom sticks just curious thanks
There anyway you could do a video on the 300RCM cartridge?
The 69 grain projectiles according to my research needs a 1/9 twist and faster.
I am a huge fan of the 60-70 grain projectile in the 5.56x45/.223 Remington so I am interested in this test.
1:8 should be able to get all the way up to the 77 grain match kings by Sierra get the 223wylde chamber too if you want to be accurate with 5.56nato and .223rem
Just curious but is the barrel on your cmmg a 223 or a 5.56 barrel?
Shoot the clay with the match just for a giggle 😁or water jugs catch a bullet 👍
I might miss 😝
WHO_TEE_WHO nah with the bolt gun left eye 🎯
I’m behind enemy lines so if you ever want a couple little mags for bench shooting I’ll send em out 👌
Notice the shape of the hole from the 700. Not round, bullet not stabilized out of the slower twist rate.
good for resolute, remington more on varmint side ammo
I just got my first CMMG chambered in 6mm ARC
Awesome!
1/7 twist likes the heavy stuff.
From the shooting of many models of AR rifles they are definitely bullet weight sensitive. Bolt guns not as bad
Not bad with the bolt.. I have been TOLD heavy bullet and high twist rate. Don’t mix. Both shot ok.
Put a beach umbrella down the hole in the middle of your cable reel.
Kinda a, here is the info,- you decide moment, lol I heard that somewhere before, lol 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Just because they are slowly making a comeback and may be getting renamed but you should get a 223 wssm for comparison 🙂
I struggled with the first AR i had in a1:9 twist getting the heavier copper tsx bullets to stabilize. I would get around 6” groups lol
AR with the 1x7 barrel will be best
In the house 🏡
I bought a couple boxes of win match 223 for 45$ 2 days ago. Its retarded how much I paid for it. The speer gold dot 75 grain 223 was 5 bucks cheaper. I hope my gun shoots better than 2 inch groups.
I'll take the Ar on this because of the twist and bullet weight.
I would think the tighter twist rate would do better, I have some 75 gainers that shoot well in my AR
Sadly some of the last .223 ammo my local walmart sold before they punished all of us for the actions of an evil person by no longer selling .223, .300blk, 7.62x39, handgun ammo etc. l luckily did find their last case of 5.56 hidden in the back on the shelf. $55 for 150 rounds back at that time for that case.
I have some winchester deer season xp 223 and it says on the box they are best in a faster twist rate.
1 in 12 twist will stabilize anything over 60 Gr. My Ruger target rifle works well with 60 Gr or lighter.
1x7 is better. i had a 1x9 20 inch and it sucked for anything over 55 grain. 45 grain was best.
Have you tested to see if the twist rate effects penetrate depth on paper plates? Same action, same rate would be great to see
Have not
I believe the 1/7 ywist will like it better
1:9 twist is the best all around for .223 or 5.56
Will you try a different optic setup on that CMMG lol. I’m not sure if it’s the gun or the optic lol.
Last video with it did great groups. Scope is fine
I think the bolt will have the better group
Could u do a video with these and a clay block