It's the Xpert model because of the bolt action, semi match chamber, and the trigger from what I've deducted online. I ordered mine and can't wait to get it to the range.
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I bought a pre-owned Winchester .22 MAGNUM lever action for $924 dollars. Beautiful rifle with checkered wood stock and metal shoulder stock butplate. Worth every dollar !
Only the first couple into the country came fitted with a pic rail oddly enough....... The Browning T-Bolt rail is a perfect fit & was recommended to me by Winchester Australia
Nice aim, I'm sure you're still accurate than most, 100 yards with iron sights isn't all that easy! I'm surprised how close the sights are actually. I was considering getting this one, I have about a dozen old .22s. Cooey 600, Cooey 75, Lakefield Savage MK3, Mossberg 351k, FN 1912, and a bunch of other oddballs. All of them just have a quirk or two that I don't like. All I want is a bolt action, with a bottom fed mag, good sights, and the option to put a scope on. Without spending an absurd amount of course. I like the rear peep sight on the semi auto wildcat, it's a shame they couldn't fit something similar on this one. That's the only thing holding me back right now, I'm sure these sights aren't as bad as I imagine, but do I reaaaally need another 22 that still doesn't check every box? Especially since it's apparently hard to get the scope mount for this gun? Hmmmmm lol
We all NEED another .22! Lol. It's tough to find any gun that is everything we want, right out of the box. I think that's one of the things that makes firearms fun, customizing! Thanks for watching!
The trigger group looks very Savage Accutrigger-y. Take those E-clips off and I'll bet there is a way to replace whatever spring is in there to get the pull range down lower. For the sights, you could measure the distances between screw holes for both front and rear, and perhaps find scope bases that fit. The guys in Turkey might have even designed it to use available bases, as they did with the magazine. This would be a great gun to pair with the semi, considering they share mags and also use Ruger mags. Good shooting!
You are probably correct, in fact, someone made a comment on here about another set of bases they used on theirs. I do like that they utilize the 10/22 mags, it just adds to the versatility. Thanks for watching!
Good Review. About a year ago I started following this rifle and was really looking forward to buying one. Then the reviews pointed out that there really is no rail/scope base for this. The Winchester website says to contact a local dealer for the rail and none of them even know where to find one since Winchester doesn't produce them. That turned me off to buying one and went with a different option.
You know, when I bought it, I didn't even think about the scope mount. I know exactly what you mean though, they should at least have them available on their website. It is somewhat disappointing. Thanks for watching!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview Just Joe Citizen back again. An employee at a local gun shop told me that they finally figured out what mounts will work for scope. I forgot for the moment, but I think they were Weaver number 16's or 15's. I have ordered the rifle and will let you know how accurate it can be with a Burris 4.5-14x42 scope at 50 yards. I have regular old 22lr ammo in Federal bulk, CCI Standard Velocity Target, a couple of different SK types of ammo, Eley Tenex, and Lapua Center X that I will test on it.
@joecitizen6046 There was another viewer that mentioned those mounts. I picked up a set the other day but haven't had a chance to try them yet. Hopefully, I'll give it a try this weekend. I don't know what scope I'll get yet. Thanks for the comment!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I will definitely be looking out for your follow up review with a scope mounted. Since this has a Bentz chamber I am hoping the optic accuracy is pretty good.
Saw this listed at Cabela's, and hadn't heard of it, so I found your video. You answered my main question, which was whether it is, like the semi-auto Wildcat, compatible with 10/22 mags. To me, that is an advantage over a Savage at a similar price. I don't think I'll actually plan to purchase one, but at under $300 in-store, I might just end up with one as an impulse buy the next time I'm there buying ammo.
Another good one Richard! I picked up the semiauto version as soon as they offered a threaded barrel. Of course it came with a long sight radius and a rail. Funny they couldn't do the same for the Xpert model as well. Mine sets by the backdoor with a red dot on it for skunks and other nuisance critters. Not as accurate or finished as well as a Tikka T1x, CZ 457 and the like but neither is the price. I still have a hard time say "Winchester" and "made in Turkey" in the same sentence. JimE
I would have been happy to just have a dovetail mount on top. Everybody needs some critter control! Same thing with Colt and Czech Republic. I'm not saying they don't make great firearms, but those were American icons.
I'd call this one a good "Hunting Grade" rifle. Easy to pack on a small game hunt and not too expensive if something were to happen to it during the hunt. Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the review of this weapon. 👍 You really had a tough time with those sights. Failing eyesight can be rough. Personally, after cataract surgery in both eyes, I can't use dots or scopes. It's iron sights all the way. Good luck on your search for the rail. I'd be interested in a follow-up review with a scope. Take care, Wade
My eyes are still great at a distance, the close up stuff is what gives me the problems. Fifty yards is still a pretty good distance to try for accuracy with open sights, that 1/2" bullseye on the splatter target is tiny at that distance! Thanks for watching!
@@Lij_MC Mine probably aren't that great but I would imagine the rifle would do just fine. I'm pretty sure it would depend heavily on the shooters skills and could vary from person to person.
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I agree! I'm not a scope or optics guy. Especially, on a lever gun. It's just the view of the sights on that particular rifle. Pump shotgun, brass bread is fine. Best to ya',,,,!
Just rewatched this one. Curious how it compares to the Savage Mark II. Do you have a preference? I think the Savage looks better but the 10/22 mags are a big plus, and it sounds like the Winchester has a better trigger.
I have always been a fan of Savage firearms but, you're right, the 10/22 mags are a huge plus. I think the only Mark II I have, is chambered in Mach 2 and its a much older one. I believe you're correct, the Winchester trigger does seem to be better. Thanks for watching!
I hope Winchester decides to REALLY invest in the Wildcat line. There are so many solid ideas in the semi-auto, but it feels like they didn't quite commit to the manufacturing side of it.
When a manufacturer comes out with a new product that would require a base for a scope, include the $5 part or wait till you release it. The dry fire will eventually destroy its FP because people forget round count. In my opinion do it right or do not do it at all. I look at my Rugers and CZ this rifle looks like a toy.
Here is the problem with a 4.5lb gun with a 4 lb trigger. You are pulling the weight of the gun just to get the trigger to go off. It will never be as accurate unless that trigger can be brought down to 2lbs or less. I had guys in a forum who none of them could get a Browning T-Volt to shoot under a quarter at 25 years. I bought one. It was a gorgeous gun. It was another 4.5 lb gun. I weighed the trigger when I got it home. 9 lbs was the trigger, so me with smithing experience I tore into the trigger assembly. It had a torsion spring. You know, like a safety pin. Two legs with a couple of coils in the middle. I took some spring stock and made a new spring. Got that 9lb trigger down to 2 lbs. went to shoot it and after sighting it in, put 3 shots through one bullet hole. Could not even be measured. You could not drop an empty .22lr case on the hole it was too tight. So trigger weight and gun weight is extremely important if you want an accurate rifle. It need to be at least half what the gun weighs.
Excellent point! I'm sure the Xpert isn't intended to be a high end target rifle but with the addition of a scope, it would be a great small game hunting rifle. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching too!
You don't pull the trigger and you know it. You like a 2 lb trigger, cool. 3.5 is my happy place. The lightness of the rifle would come into play more if there was some recoil to speak of, which there isn't.
You know what, I may have spoke too soon. I was looking at the semi-auto prices. I sincerely apologize for the mix-up. Cabelas does seem to have the best price currently.
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I just scored a strata camo 16.5” threaded barrel model for $330 at bass pro shops they retail for $390!!It was a display model and they weren’t even supposed to carry that model at all. They only carry the strata 18” non threaded barrel and the gray 18” non threaded. Will come out to $295 after rebate
It's the Xpert model because of the bolt action, semi match chamber, and the trigger from what I've deducted online. I ordered mine and can't wait to get it to the range.
It's a good shooting rifle, I think you'll like it. Thanks for watching!
I wish Winchester kept manufactured the .22 MAGNUM level action rifle.
There's a lot of older guns I wish were still made. Thanks for watching!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I bought a pre-owned Winchester .22 MAGNUM lever action for $924 dollars. Beautiful rifle with checkered wood stock and metal shoulder stock butplate. Worth every dollar !
I’ve just noticed this rifle being advertised for sale here in Australia and thankfully it’s being sold with the pic rail fitted
I wish they would have done that here! Thanks for watching!
Only the first couple into the country came fitted with a pic rail oddly enough....... The Browning T-Bolt rail is a perfect fit & was recommended to me by Winchester Australia
I saw one in a local gun shop today and kinda like it. It is lame that they don't include the rail for it, though. Thanks for the review.
I agree! Thanks for watching!
Nice aim, I'm sure you're still accurate than most, 100 yards with iron sights isn't all that easy!
I'm surprised how close the sights are actually. I was considering getting this one, I have about a dozen old .22s. Cooey 600, Cooey 75, Lakefield Savage MK3, Mossberg 351k, FN 1912, and a bunch of other oddballs. All of them just have a quirk or two that I don't like.
All I want is a bolt action, with a bottom fed mag, good sights, and the option to put a scope on. Without spending an absurd amount of course.
I like the rear peep sight on the semi auto wildcat, it's a shame they couldn't fit something similar on this one. That's the only thing holding me back right now, I'm sure these sights aren't as bad as I imagine, but do I reaaaally need another 22 that still doesn't check every box? Especially since it's apparently hard to get the scope mount for this gun? Hmmmmm lol
We all NEED another .22! Lol. It's tough to find any gun that is everything we want, right out of the box. I think that's one of the things that makes firearms fun, customizing! Thanks for watching!
The trigger group looks very Savage Accutrigger-y. Take those E-clips off and I'll bet there is a way to replace whatever spring is in there to get the pull range down lower.
For the sights, you could measure the distances between screw holes for both front and rear, and perhaps find scope bases that fit. The guys in Turkey might have even designed it to use available bases, as they did with the magazine.
This would be a great gun to pair with the semi, considering they share mags and also use Ruger mags.
Good shooting!
You are probably correct, in fact, someone made a comment on here about another set of bases they used on theirs. I do like that they utilize the 10/22 mags, it just adds to the versatility. Thanks for watching!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview Weaver 15 and 16 both seem to work.
I'm going to buy the rifle now.. your videos really helped me in my choice, especially the differences with the previous model! thank you 😊
I hope you enjoy it! Thank you for watching!
I Would like to see how it performs with a good scope on it. Great job on the review.
You and me both!
It would be nice if it had threaded barrel.
I believe it either IS or will be available in threaded, as well as different colors/patterns. Thanks for watching!
Good Review. About a year ago I started following this rifle and was really looking forward to buying one. Then the reviews pointed out that there really is no rail/scope base for this. The Winchester website says to contact a local dealer for the rail and none of them even know where to find one since Winchester doesn't produce them. That turned me off to buying one and went with a different option.
You know, when I bought it, I didn't even think about the scope mount. I know exactly what you mean though, they should at least have them available on their website. It is somewhat disappointing. Thanks for watching!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview Just Joe Citizen back again. An employee at a local gun shop told me that they finally figured out what mounts will work for scope. I forgot for the moment, but I think they were Weaver number 16's or 15's. I have ordered the rifle and will let you know how accurate it can be with a Burris 4.5-14x42 scope at 50 yards. I have regular old 22lr ammo in Federal bulk, CCI Standard Velocity Target, a couple of different SK types of ammo, Eley Tenex, and Lapua Center X that I will test on it.
@joecitizen6046 There was another viewer that mentioned those mounts. I picked up a set the other day but haven't had a chance to try them yet. Hopefully, I'll give it a try this weekend. I don't know what scope I'll get yet. Thanks for the comment!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I will definitely be looking out for your follow up review with a scope mounted. Since this has a Bentz chamber I am hoping the optic accuracy is pretty good.
Saw this listed at Cabela's, and hadn't heard of it, so I found your video. You answered my main question, which was whether it is, like the semi-auto Wildcat, compatible with 10/22 mags. To me, that is an advantage over a Savage at a similar price. I don't think I'll actually plan to purchase one, but at under $300 in-store, I might just end up with one as an impulse buy the next time I'm there buying ammo.
I agree. I'm a big fan of Savage, but the proprietary magazine thing kind of bites. Thanks for watching!
$200 at Cabela’s after $35 rebate🤙
Check around, you might even find a better deal
Another good one Richard!
I picked up the semiauto version as soon as they offered a threaded barrel. Of course it came with a long sight radius and a rail. Funny they couldn't do the same for the Xpert model as well.
Mine sets by the backdoor with a red dot on it for skunks and other nuisance critters. Not as accurate or finished as well as a Tikka T1x, CZ 457 and the like but neither is the price.
I still have a hard time say "Winchester" and "made in Turkey" in the same sentence. JimE
I would have been happy to just have a dovetail mount on top. Everybody needs some critter control! Same thing with Colt and Czech Republic. I'm not saying they don't make great firearms, but those were American icons.
It’s going to get dry-fired. The 11th round is rarely in the mag. Very few people count to 10 when they’re shooting the 22.
I know, I'm sure the manufacturer knows too. It's best to avoid it if you can. Thanks for watching!
In Poland, a picatinny rail is supplied with the rifle.
I wonder why they didn't do it here? Thanks for watching!
Nice rifle I would need a scope my problem is I turn all my 22's into match grade target don't have a lite weight 22
I'd call this one a good "Hunting Grade" rifle. Easy to pack on a small game hunt and not too expensive if something were to happen to it during the hunt. Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the review of this weapon. 👍 You really had a tough time with those sights. Failing eyesight can be rough.
Personally, after cataract surgery in both eyes, I can't use dots or scopes. It's iron sights all the way.
Good luck on your search for the rail. I'd be interested in a follow-up review with a scope.
Take care, Wade
My eyes are still great at a distance, the close up stuff is what gives me the problems. Fifty yards is still a pretty good distance to try for accuracy with open sights, that 1/2" bullseye on the splatter target is tiny at that distance! Thanks for watching!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReviewHow good are the groupings at 50?
@@Lij_MC Mine probably aren't that great but I would imagine the rifle would do just fine. I'm pretty sure it would depend heavily on the shooters skills and could vary from person to person.
Weaver number 16 scope base will do the trick.
Thanks, I'll check it out!
Idk how I missed this one . That’s a cool looking rifle . Good review
I wish it would have included the scope base. Thanks!
My grandpa had a single shot 22 caliber, a very long barrel...tack driver, killed many squirrels 👍 nice 100 yard shots 👍
I really like some of those old single shot .22s, fun rifles. Thanks for watching!
Nice presentation! My eyes, at my age, I will need glass with those sights for sure!
Best to ya',,,,!
I'm pretty fond of a scope myself. I do like open sights on lever and pump action rifles though. Thanks for watching!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I agree! I'm not a scope or optics guy. Especially, on a lever gun. It's just the view of the sights on that particular rifle. Pump shotgun, brass bread is fine.
Best to ya',,,,!
To bad they didnt include a rail for mounting a scope. Great video Richard
I agree. Thanks for watching Snapper!
Just rewatched this one. Curious how it compares to the Savage Mark II. Do you have a preference? I think the Savage looks better but the 10/22 mags are a big plus, and it sounds like the Winchester has a better trigger.
I have always been a fan of Savage firearms but, you're right, the 10/22 mags are a huge plus. I think the only Mark II I have, is chambered in Mach 2 and its a much older one. I believe you're correct, the Winchester trigger does seem to be better.
Thanks for watching!
You cant compare nothing to savage mark ll
The most accurate .22 on market. Using aguila 38g and can't miss 3" target on 125m
weaver #15 scope bases fit on my xpert. i heard #16 fits too.
I'll have to check them out. It would have been nice if they would have included them with the rifle. Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching too!
Enjoyed the video.
Thank you!
Thank you too!
Great review 👍😃✌️💪🇺🇸
Thank you!!!
I hope Winchester decides to REALLY invest in the Wildcat line. There are so many solid ideas in the semi-auto, but it feels like they didn't quite commit to the manufacturing side of it.
I think they might, they did recently release the Wildcat Xpert, a bolt action version of the rifle! Thanks for watching!
😄 What a cute little Mosin-Nagant trainer!
It shoots like a Mosin too... 😑
A little more refined and versatile than a Mosin-Nagant.
How so?
Thank you for the video. 🙂🙂
Thank you for watching it!
Good review. I like that you pointed out the differences between this and the other Wildcat that you have.
I was going to get the semi-auto out and do a comparison, but it was in the back of the safe, and I didn't feel like playing tetris!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview ever turn around and have one fall out at you? I have. Yeah, it can stay back there.
Maybe Winchester could add fiber optic sights.....like most quality firearms on the market....
That would be a nice touch. Including the scope bases would be a big plus too!
I was wondering , how many guns do you own?
Guns? I don't own any guns!
When a manufacturer comes out with a new product that would require a base for a scope, include the $5 part or wait till you release it.
The dry fire will eventually destroy its FP because people forget round count.
In my opinion do it right or do not do it at all.
I look at my Rugers and CZ this rifle looks like a toy.
I tend to agree with you. Thanks for watching!
just used mine at the range and the casing kept getting stuck and not being rejected. any suggestions of what's happening?
Did you try giving a good cleaning?
Yes. Could it be that I’m using aguila super extra?
Maybe, try a few different brands and see what the results are. @@roy9474
Amazing how good under $300 can get.
I agree. Thanks for watching!
How many inches is the barrel?
18"
Here is the problem with a 4.5lb gun with a 4 lb trigger. You are pulling the weight of the gun just to get the trigger to go off. It will never be as accurate unless that trigger can be brought down to 2lbs or less. I had guys in a forum who none of them could get a Browning T-Volt to shoot under a quarter at 25 years. I bought one. It was a gorgeous gun. It was another 4.5 lb gun. I weighed the trigger when I got it home. 9 lbs was the trigger, so me with smithing experience I tore into the trigger assembly. It had a torsion spring. You know, like a safety pin. Two legs with a couple of coils in the middle. I took some spring stock and made a new spring. Got that 9lb trigger down to 2 lbs. went to shoot it and after sighting it in, put 3 shots through one bullet hole. Could not even be measured. You could not drop an empty .22lr case on the hole it was too tight. So trigger weight and gun weight is extremely important if you want an accurate rifle. It need to be at least half what the gun weighs.
Excellent point! I'm sure the Xpert isn't intended to be a high end target rifle but with the addition of a scope, it would be a great small game hunting rifle. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching too!
I belive it is possible to alleviate the trigger The winchester x-pert
Trigger is adjustable I believe
That’s not how physics works
You don't pull the trigger and you know it. You like a 2 lb trigger, cool.
3.5 is my happy place.
The lightness of the rifle would come into play more if there was some recoil to speak of, which there isn't.
Nice review.
Glad you enjoyed it
Good job like your video
Thanks, I appreciate that!
Not bad for a cheap gun with crappy ammo! Try cci standard velocity
I'll bet it will perform better with the good stuff.
can i buy it from you
Sorry, I don't sell firearms.
$200 at Cabela’s after $35 rebate🤙
Shop around, you may find it a little cheaper!
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview where?
You know what, I may have spoke too soon. I was looking at the semi-auto prices. I sincerely apologize for the mix-up. Cabelas does seem to have the best price currently.
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview all good I got them confused yesterday too lol
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I just scored a strata camo 16.5” threaded barrel model for $330 at bass pro shops they retail for $390!!It was a display model and they weren’t even supposed to carry that model at all. They only carry the strata 18” non threaded barrel and the gray 18” non threaded. Will come out to $295 after rebate
One important question is do you know JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR?
Yep! Thanks for watching!
I do!
No.
Thanks for watching!
Not interested in that rifle at all. UGLY and prime example of price point manufacturing
OK. Thanks for watching!
It’s a peace of junk very disappointed in it
Thanks for watching!
This isn't rifle isn't "Xpert" by any means - it's a trashcan .22 rifle.
I'm sure there are worse ones out there. Thanks for watching!