a week of plant things / almost 4 hours of plant chores 🪴

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  • @paulinefong8368
    @paulinefong8368 6 днів тому +9

    When my mom passed in February, watching both you and Alice help me get through the evenings during a difficult time. My mom and I use to talk about plants but when she passed it created a great whole.Thank you for your videos.

  • @JessicaKneifl
    @JessicaKneifl 9 днів тому +19

    For what it’s worth, you and Alice are my favorite plant UA-camrs. I love your collections and you are so relatable. I truly look forward to your videos and I’d be sad if you decided to stop (but I also totally understand your life is changing). As for pudge, he is adorable and shame on people for making any rude comments about him or you. Just keep being you and congrats on Archie btw.

    • @lisaanglim9588
      @lisaanglim9588 9 днів тому

      I too would be sad if you decided not to continue UA-cam. I feel like know you in person. It would like losing a friend. But truly understand that your life has changed in a big way, you do you. but I will mourn you my friend

    • @maryperry5910
      @maryperry5910 6 днів тому +1

      Agreed. Why mean comments about Pudge? Why are people so rude? I just don't like mean people. Dogs I love ❤. Your videos are like talking to a great friend with humor and honesty

    • @arleneflowers2954
      @arleneflowers2954 6 днів тому

      Oh on Sherman I love you. Dont😢leave

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому +7

    You talk like a real person and I like that.

  •  9 днів тому +15

    when it starts with 'balls everywhere' you know it's going to be a good one

  • @Insight.Served
    @Insight.Served 9 днів тому +13

    Pudge bringing his toy to Archie is everything.... ❤❤❤
    This video in between my morning class is mandatory...
    I know life can be chaotic. Thank you for still being able to produce these long videos for us. ❤

  • @JoanneCuaycong
    @JoanneCuaycong 9 днів тому +9

    I’m usually a silent watcher but I always look forward to all your uploads! I especially love all the long form format of your videos! Keep up the great work Sherman! ❤

  • @kirstenerickson5063
    @kirstenerickson5063 7 днів тому +4

    Charmaine you were the first plant UA-camr I came across which is funny since I have been around since the headless days. I don’t think I would have ever found the growing without drainage without you. That literally changed my ability to keep plants alive and I wanted to thank you for that advice! I look forward to your videos and I love the long form ones that I can keep coming back to day after day when I have some time. I have also noticed that some of the more established planttubers have started picking up on the no drainage way of growing and every time I hear one of them talk about it being this new way of growing I smile and think of you paving the way for everyone to think outside the box. At least that’s my opinion of it😊. You will be missed by many if you leave, but I know you will be supported. This job isn’t for the faint of heart! Thank you for all that you do for us as your audience❤!

  • @hannahj8373
    @hannahj8373 7 годин тому

    I don't usually comment, but I watch all your videos, and just wanted to say that this super long one has been such a treat! I have watched it in little segments while taking care of my plants, doing laundry, working out, and it has been so nice to just hang out with you! :)

  • @tiffanylovett3080
    @tiffanylovett3080 8 днів тому +2

    I’ve watched your channel from literally day one, and I fell so in love with pudge that ive just adopted my own pug. It was something I thought about for a long while but I get to pick her up next week and I am SO excited ❤

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  7 днів тому +1

      Omggggggg congratulations!!! You’re going to love your little loaf 🥹 they are such incredible family dogs. You should see him with Archie. It makes me melt 🩷

  • @donnatrigg
    @donnatrigg 5 днів тому

    you're the youtuber that i run to watch videos when they're posted :) my favorite part is the knowledge you share and the way you care for your plants is similar to the way i do (maybe because i learned from you?) so following your advice works really well for me. my favorite videos are the ones where you repot plants that you've repotted in the past bc i love seeing what worked and what didn't.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 9 днів тому +1

    Your sister will love all those plants. They’ll have the space to grow large and in charge at her house. It sounds lovely, I wish I had a plant room. By I have to wait until my roommate moves out. I like him being here keeps the lonelies away.

  • @LeafyConversations
    @LeafyConversations 7 днів тому +1

    I just started watching you a few weeks ago. What makes you stand out above the other creators (including me) is how natural you are in front of the camera. Your conversations with the camera are amazing and make it look so easy when I know it is not. 😅 I am starting to get more comfortable , but I doubt if I’ll ever be as elegant and natural as you Charmaine.
    I hope you decide to keep going I love the longer videos and can always rely on you. ❤❤

  • @alxbritton
    @alxbritton 6 днів тому

    Mostly silent watcher here! I feel the same way about wanting to own my own house. I don't need anything crazy! I just want a house house a couple of bedrooms, a porch I'd be able to screen in or turn into a 3 seasons room at some point, and a yard big enough for a couple dogs. Life is so rough right now. I love your videos, and Alice and Benji and Fern... thank you for always being so real with us ❤❤🫶🏻🌟

  • @PetraEmmy
    @PetraEmmy 8 днів тому +2

    And I just appreciate your honesty about your collabs.. ❤

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  7 днів тому +1

      I feel like it’s a taboo topic and I’m sure there are influencers out there that wouldn’t like my take on it 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @PetraEmmy
      @PetraEmmy 7 днів тому +1

      @ meh! Can’t please everyone. As long as you’re true to yourself. We who know you get the honesty. Enjoy your family and warmer weather 😘

    • @sharonprice4400
      @sharonprice4400 5 днів тому

      ​@@unplantparenthood@sydneyplantguy talks about this in his latest post. You're one of only follow 4 planty YT's that I follow for their honest, informative channels. 👌🌟

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому +1

    You are without a doubt my favorite UA-camr you are doing good. You make people feel good

  • @lacieplants
    @lacieplants 9 днів тому +3

    yesss i unexpectedly did not have to work today, and now i have this fresh week of to inspire me to tackle my mountain of chores

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  9 днів тому +3

      Whaaaaat!! On a Monday too?! It’s a Christmas miracle!!

    • @lacieplants
      @lacieplants 9 днів тому +1

      @ that was almost verbatim my reaction hahaha “Christmas came early??”

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  9 днів тому +2

      Karma said “you’ve been good this year” don’t forget to leave cookies out for it

    • @lacieplants
      @lacieplants 9 днів тому +1

      @ you’re right, but I’m not a baker so I hope karma likes store-bought 😅

  • @jacquelinedaniels87
    @jacquelinedaniels87 8 днів тому +2

    Please, please don’t fully leave us. We love you here-and will watch whatever you bless us with.

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  7 днів тому

      It’s such a dilemma! I know if I get back into my business I won’t have time for UA-cam anymore.. but I could probably swing like one long video a month or something? I’m sure I’ll figure something out!

  • @jackieara1975
    @jackieara1975 9 днів тому +1

    Oh my friggen gaed I can't! Purge taking the toy by the baby to play....my whole insides mushed into a puddle 💚

  • @dannini
    @dannini 7 днів тому

    I agree with you on the paid collabs/sponsorships! I know it rubbed me the wrong way a few years ago when several plantfluencers received those grow light “trees” (they cost $800-$1200 🫣) and were pushing them hard. Also I don’t know if this bugs anyone else but when they take sponsorships for products that aren’t remotely related to plants (mattresses, bedsheets, meal plans, jewellery, etc).

  • @wootlesswocks
    @wootlesswocks 7 днів тому

    FWIW I enjoy watching your videos and I love that you have two other friends in the lower mainland who also do plant stuff. The Trifecta!

  • @LeafyConversations
    @LeafyConversations 5 днів тому

    The last question resonates with me as a new creator. For being on here a year almost I can’t get my views to move up. I have to remember why I started and that is because I want to share my collection and to give back to the community. I love your thoughts on this and like you I try not to compare myself with others and their numbers. I made it to the end only took me 3 days!

  • @ThatGirlShelbyy
    @ThatGirlShelbyy 9 днів тому +3

    I'm SO glad I don't ever see the mean comments on yours & Alice's channels, because I will snap back 😂 That's partly why I haven't made an actual planty video yet😂
    Jumping to people's defence/snapping back at rude people, seems to go hand in hand more often than not, for those of us with adhd😅 I'll get myself in trouble 😂 Although I will say I have gotten better at blocking rude people online, so maybe someday 😂

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому +1

    I love your content, all of it.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    Thank you for making this so nice for us, so interesting for us, so real for us.

  • @PlantedinPlatinum
    @PlantedinPlatinum 8 днів тому +1

    Charmaine - I’ve owned 2 homes and am now renting again and I prefer renting 🤍 Way easier maintenance 👌And the buying/selling process can be quite stressful. I think your rental is beautiful 😍

  • @leena3630
    @leena3630 9 днів тому +3

    47:29 Were you maybe thinking of, “pay it forward” 😂 Excited for the long video to keep me company for the plant chores I’ve been putting off!

  • @ArcaneAntihero
    @ArcaneAntihero 9 днів тому +5

    I would 100% take compilation videos of bloopers as an upload on its own lmfao

    • @lisaanglim9588
      @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому +1

      Oh yes, that would be fun to watch. Lol 😂

  • @HookedonHouseplants-bv5mu
    @HookedonHouseplants-bv5mu 9 днів тому +4

    You swinging at those fungus gnats had me rollin'......🤣🤣🤣🤣!!

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  9 днів тому +3

      They stay trying me!!! 🤣

    • @HookedonHouseplants-bv5mu
      @HookedonHouseplants-bv5mu 9 днів тому +1

      @unplantparenthood I know, I do the same thing. They are SO irritating!! I got yellow sticky traps everywhere!!🙄

    • @lisaanglim9588
      @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

      I guess because I use only cocoa coir as a base and I heard they don’t like cocoa coir. I don’t get them. I didn’t know that but it’s a bonus for me.

  • @Shopgirl2731
    @Shopgirl2731 9 днів тому +2

    Hella Queen ! Buckling up for this movie

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 9 днів тому

    Hi Charmaine. I just found your video. I was out all day with my sister and brother at the beach who is flying back to Los Angeles this evening. So I’m watching between during commercials tonight until after the end of the night news. I’ll finish in the morning. But I m excited for this video.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    You have a great apartment. I do understand your feeling of loss of your dream house. I know I will never have a house either. But I’ve come to be comfortable.

  • @ritaelliott-cn7di
    @ritaelliott-cn7di 3 дні тому

    Funny you were talking about using sphagnum moss in front of a tree fernsoil on your moss poles.
    I've been doing that for a long time already put the Moss and the soil behind. It actually works out pretty nice. Add send you a picture if I could figure out how to.

  • @LeafyConversations
    @LeafyConversations 7 днів тому

    Charmaine just wanted to thank you for sharing those green gloves in one of your other videos . I love them! They are so good I can reuse them. 😊

  • @bnelleyram
    @bnelleyram 8 днів тому +1

    Obsessed with the enemies to lovers storyline with you and clarinervium 😭😭

  • @LeafyConversations
    @LeafyConversations 6 днів тому +1

    Watching you cut the Brielle hurt my heart too 😂 what a beautiful plant!

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    Pretty good with the one handed pour’. Holding a baby makes you learn to do things one handed. It’s a whole new world.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I didn’t shop for Black Friday but I bought my usual stuff plus some new Barrina lights. Tall standing lights that will allow me to take out the set of grow lights that are aimed at me and the kitchen. That way the plants get light and it’s not shining in my face and I’ll be able to see the tv from the kitchen

  • @ThatGirlShelbyy
    @ThatGirlShelbyy 9 днів тому +1

    So excited for this ❤😊
    Thank you for always making quality content 🫶🏻✨

  • @marjxowisno
    @marjxowisno 5 днів тому

    I’m so glad I finally decided to wa I'm glad I watched your new video after binge-watching your older ones. I appreciate your transparency about keeping your voice down while doing plant chores to avoid waking your child, as I do the same with my toddler. My mom criticizes my videos for my low voice, not understanding that I film when my daughter sleeps. I suspect her hearing might be an issue too (she’s like almost 60 years old too so there’s that.). Also, could you share what microphone you use? I can hear you clearly even when you speak softly. Happy holidays, and thanks for your videos!

  • @PetraEmmy
    @PetraEmmy 9 днів тому +2

    And YES PLEASE to “gorgena George” shirt.. My kitty’s name is George.. well it’s George William Wallace but he’s no braveheart 😂😂🐈‍⬛

  • @Anah-B
    @Anah-B День тому

    Oh, what a big announcement! I’m very happy for you though. Follow your heart and do what works for you and nothing more. Now we’ll just have to extra-enjoy any content we get from you, like it’s our last 😜

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I got one of my wish list plants this year. It’s the Hoya rotundiflora.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    You do influence me about the plants I buy. I see something like the tortum and the cuprea that I hunt down. Still hunting the cuprea. But I’m waiting. Afraid to I have a cuprea. I’ve killed all two of Alocasias I have had.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому +1

    Your red Crystal X doryaki is one beautiful plant.

  • @PetraEmmy
    @PetraEmmy 9 днів тому +2

    My dream plant is a clarinervium .. Sherman just the thought of someone being mean to you hurts my heart..

  • @valkatzenberg
    @valkatzenberg 5 днів тому

    Aw Pudge! I miss seeing him! ❤

  • @liafedra1636
    @liafedra1636 8 днів тому

    Oh no!!!
    We really need you to know how to make our plants to grow 🙏🙏🙏
    I see all your videos every week so the news it makes me soooo upset 😭

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому +1

    I think Alice calls them coins. All thin cuttings with 2-3 growth points.

  • @PetraEmmy
    @PetraEmmy 9 днів тому +1

    I love Glam Girl Gabi.. she’s just a down to earth Canadian girl.. And now I am watching my daughter-in-laws UA-cam channel called Generously Co.. and the way the world is at the moment we could all use a bit more Jesus..

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I cut the top off my shivereana and yes it got bushy but it looks weird. The leaves are more tan than green. And they lay close to the stem like the little “leaves” on a pine cone before it opens to release the seed. I wish I’d not done it.

  • @donnatrigg
    @donnatrigg 5 днів тому

    the only "black friday" shopping i did this year (and like the last decade, ooof) was holiday presents. stuff i was going to buy anyways but hoped it would be cheaper lol some of it was but not the big one.

  • @sarahwilber7997
    @sarahwilber7997 9 днів тому +1

    Timelapse is always a vibe for me. Have you thought about doing podcast stuff on Spotify? I would listen everyday 😂

    • @sarahwilber7997
      @sarahwilber7997 9 днів тому +1

      DJ plant mommy here for your morning chill tunes

  • @Liliplantdiaries
    @Liliplantdiaries 9 днів тому +1

    The coughing in the opening montage is sooo real 😂

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    Your shelves look great. Even before you put the plants from your plant room.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    Pass it forward !!

  • @LeafyConversations
    @LeafyConversations 7 днів тому

    I would have never thought a cactus would be put into a non-drainage vase. You will need to do an update on that one.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I think wanting more helps give you a reason to go on. There are other things out there for you. You just need to be rest for them.

  • @oliviadrake9980
    @oliviadrake9980 9 днів тому +1

    ugh I missed these

  • @LeafyConversations
    @LeafyConversations 6 днів тому

    OMGosh what is wrong with people! Hearing what comments that were coming through for pudge is awful!! I am sorry you had to deal with those trolls. I put my dogs into my videos and so far it’s been okay. I don’t put any focus on them though.

  • @danthuriums
    @danthuriums 9 днів тому

    4 hours of goodness 🎉

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    My monstera is over four feet tall and I don’t have any secondary fenestrations, but I’m hoping I’m hoping that the leaves that are trying to come out now.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    When I’m
    Depressed or burned out I don’t want to even water. I went 10-12 days without watering. I had some casualties. But it was a risk I was willing to do at that time.

  • @LeafyConversations
    @LeafyConversations 6 днів тому

    My little experience from using Leca the roots rot if going from soil. I am guessing that has potential with your sisters plants I hope not!

  • @jannamozdzer4100
    @jannamozdzer4100 5 днів тому

    I’ve noticed that you and Alice both use something underneath your anthurium pots with drainage…is that for a type of semi-hydro or is it just to catch drips. I’m newer to anthuriums and value your knowledge, thanks so much! ❤

    • @LeafyConversations
      @LeafyConversations 5 днів тому +1

      They use it for a type of semi-hydro it is a great idea I started doing it with mine. It allows you to water less its nice and they stay moist and love it.

    • @jannamozdzer4100
      @jannamozdzer4100 3 дні тому +1

      @ I’ve only done it with pon, since this has absorbable substrate how far up do you fill the outside dish? Thanks!

    • @LeafyConversations
      @LeafyConversations 3 дні тому

      @@jannamozdzer4100 for me it depends on the plant. The more thirstier ones get more water in the reservoir. One thing I do, but not sure about the gals. I will not keep water in the reservoirs all the time. I let them have it 4 days then 4 days without.

    • @jannamozdzer4100
      @jannamozdzer4100 3 дні тому

      @ oh…that makes sense! Thank you so much, I may try this but I’m nervous just since I’ve only done semi-hydro in pon.

    • @LeafyConversations
      @LeafyConversations 3 дні тому

      @@jannamozdzer4100 No reason to unless you feel the need to try something different. I am not interested in PON, which is why I do it this way. 🥹. You’re very welcome and good luck!

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    Anything not anthurium, philodendron that you would cut up to sell. Like do you have any Hoyas left that you could chop and prop?

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 9 днів тому

    I love that weird wild plant. It looks like a rhipsalis.

  • @swang2489
    @swang2489 8 днів тому +1

    I’m confused why you chopped up the big anthurium for your sister? Won’t it take a really long time to grow back that large?

    • @jacquelinedaniels87
      @jacquelinedaniels87 8 днів тому

      She has to take it over the border-preferably without border patrol noticing how many plants she has lol declare only if asked, it’s the only way.

  • @JoyceDarden
    @JoyceDarden 7 днів тому

    Nice job. I enjoy your videos because I’m learning how to take care of my plants. I’m also learning what plants I want and don’t want 2:10:00

  • @joyellacuna4541
    @joyellacuna4541 7 днів тому

    Just dropping in to punch you with a kind comment 👊
    Love your channel and support whatever you end up doing with your business!

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    No matter what you decide, you are going to always feel like you were a friend of mine.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I sit and watch.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    You know, normally I would get bored with something this long. I’d get tired after 1:25. But you, you I listen too. I’m an acolyte

  • @joanb.
    @joanb. 4 дні тому +1

    17:17 what plant is that??? It's so cool i need to put it on my wish list!

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  4 дні тому +1

      One of my absolute favourites and one that I recommend to EVERYONE- the cissus quadrangularis! It’s actually in the grape family!

    • @joanb.
      @joanb. 4 дні тому

      @unplantparenthood that is awesome, thank you!

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    Then let us share your 3.7K 🎉🎉🎉👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @kreepyskera
    @kreepyskera 7 днів тому

    3:37:50 I'm jealous of Australia!

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    That’s the biggest bag of leca I’ve ever seen. What kind is it? Where did you get it? I’d like a big bag of leca.

  • @only1zay31
    @only1zay31 3 дні тому

    Where did you get the vase your monstera in? I'm not sure if stated or not.. Thanks in advance

  • @PlantedPages14
    @PlantedPages14 9 днів тому +1

    ❤🌱

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    Maybe you need another brand. I saw someone talk about a nice tree fern fiber that she bought in Canada. Came from someplace in Canada.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I think that’s the soil that Fern buys.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I just took a break and counted, I’m watching 21 plant channels. There are two that have two channels that aren’t Planty related, but you’re not posting there any more, probably stopped forever. I also watch Ferns other channel

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    For some reason it just seems weird that you can just spray off spider 2:13:10 mites with just water. I know you guys do it all the time.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 9 днів тому

    21:17 is that a shepherdii that you’re buying up ?

  • @rebeccagatto2900
    @rebeccagatto2900 9 днів тому

    💚

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I vote moss.

  • @joyellacuna4541
    @joyellacuna4541 7 днів тому

    Also was “pay it forward” the phrase?

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  4 дні тому

      It was!! I could not for the life of me remember the correct saying 😆

  • @kendravoracek3636
    @kendravoracek3636 9 днів тому

    💚💚

  • @KirkeySaurus
    @KirkeySaurus 8 днів тому

    which gardenworks is this?

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I think the tanderusa looks variegated aurea.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I would be happy for them but just a teeny bit jealous.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    There’s room
    For new influencers. I’ve lost some that stoped or haven’t posted.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 9 днів тому

    The indo-papi xdark forgettii has beautiful venation. Stunning.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    Send it to me 1:19:01 this plant that looks weird and is long and stripy. I’ll be glad to buy it.

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  7 днів тому

      Sorry Lisa I gave the other half of the plant to my neighbour!

  • @shannoncarr7338
    @shannoncarr7338 8 днів тому

    i only keep 30 sum odd plants now but they are def not perfect

  • @Mandi_Hui
    @Mandi_Hui 7 днів тому

    I don’t understand why people would leave bad comments about Pudge. Or about your pet on UA-cam. I have gotten back on UA-cam but i don’t think i ever would show my face directly. I have been bullied and so much racism since school being Chinese. It gotten bad again when Covid hit too. I think people just have to find something to be mean and bad mannered. And just don’t like other cultures.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    If you didn’t cutback on your clarinervium it would be bushier.

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I vote soil

  • @PetraEmmy
    @PetraEmmy 9 днів тому

    That nursery puts my local one to shame..

  • @lisaanglim9588
    @lisaanglim9588 8 днів тому

    I would listen to five hours. But it would be in about three or four sections.

  • @shannoncarr7338
    @shannoncarr7338 8 днів тому

    do you only like perfect plants

    • @unplantparenthood
      @unplantparenthood  8 днів тому +1

      How did you watch this video and draw that conclusion?