Yeah this great gearing for slow speed trail riding. You still have decent higher speed with the torque converter. And there's no need for expensive engine mods.
My main goal was reliability, the 30 series holds up pretty good when you shim it perfectly, and if you completely ruin the engine somehow, it is the easiest thing to replace, I need to make another video showing some shimming I did to parts of the frame to make it handle better.
@@cohoman83 For 41 MPH with this gearing he would have had to tweak max governed or removed the governor. The engine is topping out around 4700 RPM. A lighter rider would get more than 5K RPM with this gearing. Governor removal isn't really necessary unless you know ahead of time that you can get to and need more than 5500 RPM. Removing the governor on the engine in the video would be a waste of time unless you do not know how to adjust max governed. The governor will not do anything at full throttle if max governed RPM is set higher than what the engine tops out at.
@@cohoman83 Yes the governor is still in it, this is not a straight chain drive this has a torque converter which adjusts the ratio as your rpm increases, my speed test with a 30 series torque converter and a 72 tooth sprocket shows 41 across flat ground.
@@Deucealive75 This engine is not running a jackshaft or a straight chain drive, it has a torque converter, with a 72 tooth rear sprocket I can go 41mph across flat ground I already tested it, the torque converter adjusts the ratio as the rpm increases, this was a bone stock engine and I would never recommend anyone to mess with the governor with a stock cast iron flywheel, you're asking to lose your leg possibly your life.
I got a 224 Predator to drop in my BT200X, annd a few other goodies. A 30 series TAV and a 60 tooth along with a new DID 420 chain. I do plan on a stage 1 setup later, but for now I'll just pull the governor. Before I add oil and make it difficult later, this will be for putting around on.
That sounds awesome but I would definitely switch to the aluminum flywheel if you bypass the governor, upgrade your valve springs and you could start pushing on up in the rpm's.
I always loved the look on this one man I tell ya Coleman keeps the DREAM ALiVe 💯percent one smile at a time lol I'm seeing some xpro raptor 200 mini bike out looks pretty decent apps I got is the small motovox 60 on the rear 13 tooth clutch gov removed vm22 jetted
It's a 2" spread difference, 60 tooth has an outside diameter of 9.75" 72 tooth sprocket has an outside diameter of 11.75" 72 tooth sprocket will allow you to crawl through trails without burning your belt up on your torque converter if there are steep hills, 60 tooth is a good all around sprocket for trails that aren't too steep and you still have the ability depending on engine mods to reach 50+mph, it will handle most trails just fine but if you're going to be crawling up steep terrain you might would want to go to a 72 or 80 tooth sprocket, with my setup with the 72 tooth sprocket I can still do 41mph governed while also tractoring up most hills that I can keep the front end down on lol.
i have found on stock engines that when they are geared lower like yours, the cvt works so much better and I actually had a few bikes go up on top speed after bein geared lower. There a comes a point where it becomes a trade off top end wise but i think you are geared at the sweet spot. Try a 9T or 8T front sprocket for even more down low grunt.
The reason I never did it was because I was thrashing this minibike through tight trails with hill climbs and mud, the stock filter worked fine for me because it doesn't hang out and it has a plastic cover, now I have to do a custom filter because I crammed a 25hp vtwin kohler into this minibike.
I see you didn’t add an aftermarket airfilter or rejet if i’m not mistaken. Did u run into any lean symptoms/problems after putting just a straight pipe without the other mods?
Hasn't shown any problems so far, I am going back to a stock exhaust exhaust anyways, that was a scooter muffler, it worked because the only thing you heard was the lifters and loose panels but it put too much strain on the header even with the bracket I made, I cut it off at a buddies house so I could get back in the trails, I'm going back stock to make it as reliable as possible, the only mod I have done is to the fuel shutoff, they do have a common issue of getting plugged up.
Well unfortunately the shop on ebay does not make them anymore which sucks because the only other riser plate I could find gives you problems with the airbox and exhaust.
@@dontmakememad6759 I'm not entirely sure, but if you set the engine and clutch in place run a string from the bottom of the clutch sprocket to the bottom of the rear sprocket and pull it tight, that will show you where the chain will run so you can see what clearance you have, or you could use your chain with the master clip out to do the same thing to see if it clears the bar.
www.ebay.com/itm/165967450289?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=165967450289&targetid=1531876741118&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9013489&poi=&campaignid=19851828444&mkgroupid=145880009174&rlsatarget=pla-1531876741118&abcId=9307249&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuZGnBhD1ARIsACxbAVj7Une76WUeq6XVQmoMqhQhRr20fBPhjeN3xiDVlxjLvoyvaYOu5FkaAgptEALw_wcB This is where I got mine, you can climb anything with the amount of torque you'll get with this one.
Well it all depends on how and where you ride, in my case speed isn't really necessary in the trails so I prefer more torque whereas the 60 tooth is a great in between gear for road and trail the 72 tooth sprocket allows me to tractor up any hill without straining a belt or clutch, with a torque converter it still gets decent speed at 41mph on flat ground with a stock engine, I'm looking into getting the 80 tooth sprocket to see if it behaves better on steep inclines.
If I remember correctly with the stock 50 tooth sprocket and a torque converter I was in the mid 50s, but for the terrain I was riding even with a torque converter it still wasn't low enough, so I went with a 72 tooth sprocket, now I have a 25hp Kohler on the minibike now with a jackshaft, I'm going back down to a 50 tooth maybe lower if I ever hope to keep the front end down in a straight line lol.
I still have the stock seat but I did find this. www.ebay.com/itm/295410613374?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1kL-FICvoQTK6FzttlOvcaw86&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=295410613374&targetid=1644837435483&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9013489&poi=&campaignid=20125739985&mkgroupid=149128855676&rlsatarget=pla-1644837435483&abcId=9312975&merchantid=113115549&gclid=CjwKCAjwsvujBhAXEiwA_UXnAFJHigE2kx2g86nK18jEcdLemKvF95Z6TND91Y8mAIFKE2mD57l_7BoCplQQAvD_BwE
@@ThinkBeforeYouSheep that’s the 72 tooth?? It looks smaller then the 60 tooth or am I thinking of the 75 tooth ? I got the straight chain and I wanna have as much torque as possible while still having decent speed
@@troyholland3436 The speed if you use the jackshaft is roughly 20's but an unlimited amount of torque, you can go 42mph with this sprocket if you use a 30 series torque converter while still having all the torque to crawl up hill with no struggling, I haven't tried it straight chained and it's impossible for me to try that now because I plopped a 25hp vtwin Kohler on my minibike.
No, I still have a stock flywheel, if you end up removing your governor please switch to an aluminum flywheel, the stock cast iron one will come apart, if you're lucky the magnet will fly off, if you're unlucky the flywheel itself will fragment.
It's a game changer with that setup!! Low buck power while still keeping some speed! Brilliant!
Yeah this great gearing for slow speed trail riding. You still have decent higher speed with the torque converter. And there's no need for expensive engine mods.
My main goal was reliability, the 30 series holds up pretty good when you shim it perfectly, and if you completely ruin the engine somehow, it is the easiest thing to replace, I need to make another video showing some shimming I did to parts of the frame to make it handle better.
Is the governor still in it?
@@cohoman83 For 41 MPH with this gearing he would have had to tweak max governed or removed the governor. The engine is topping out around 4700 RPM. A lighter rider would get more than 5K RPM with this gearing. Governor removal isn't really necessary unless you know ahead of time that you can get to and need more than 5500 RPM.
Removing the governor on the engine in the video would be a waste of time unless you do not know how to adjust max governed. The governor will not do anything at full throttle if max governed RPM is set higher than what the engine tops out at.
@@cohoman83 Yes the governor is still in it, this is not a straight chain drive this has a torque converter which adjusts the ratio as your rpm increases, my speed test with a 30 series torque converter and a 72 tooth sprocket shows 41 across flat ground.
@@Deucealive75 This engine is not running a jackshaft or a straight chain drive, it has a torque converter, with a 72 tooth rear sprocket I can go 41mph across flat ground I already tested it, the torque converter adjusts the ratio as the rpm increases, this was a bone stock engine and I would never recommend anyone to mess with the governor with a stock cast iron flywheel, you're asking to lose your leg possibly your life.
I love riding mine its so fun!
I got a 224 Predator to drop in my BT200X, annd a few other goodies. A 30 series TAV and a 60 tooth along with a new DID 420 chain. I do plan on a stage 1 setup later, but for now I'll just pull the governor. Before I add oil and make it difficult later, this will be for putting around on.
That sounds awesome but I would definitely switch to the aluminum flywheel if you bypass the governor, upgrade your valve springs and you could start pushing on up in the rpm's.
@@ThinkBeforeYouSheep Will be coming, I'm a retired vet on a pension. The good type parts cost alot more here in Canadaland
@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors I hear you there, everything has doubled in price it seems.
I always loved the look on this one man I tell ya Coleman keeps the DREAM ALiVe 💯percent one smile at a time lol I'm seeing some xpro raptor 200 mini bike out looks pretty decent apps I got is the small motovox 60 on the rear 13 tooth clutch gov removed vm22 jetted
Gotta get that good thumb throttle my friend so much better on the ride. Good luck with it👍🏾
Is there much of a difference from the 60 tooth and the 72 tooth with the straight chain?
It's a 2" spread difference, 60 tooth has an outside diameter of 9.75" 72 tooth sprocket has an outside diameter of 11.75"
72 tooth sprocket will allow you to crawl through trails without burning your belt up on your torque converter if there are steep hills, 60 tooth is a good all around sprocket for trails that aren't too steep and you still have the ability depending on engine mods to reach 50+mph, it will handle most trails just fine but if you're going to be crawling up steep terrain you might would want to go to a 72 or 80 tooth sprocket, with my setup with the 72 tooth sprocket I can still do 41mph governed while also tractoring up most hills that I can keep the front end down on lol.
i have found on stock engines that when they are geared lower like yours, the cvt works so much better and I actually had a few bikes go up on top speed after bein geared lower. There a comes a point where it becomes a trade off top end wise but i think you are geared at the sweet spot. Try a 9T or 8T front sprocket for even more down low grunt.
why haven't you done a bigger air filter/carburetor set up?
The reason I never did it was because I was thrashing this minibike through tight trails with hill climbs and mud, the stock filter worked fine for me because it doesn't hang out and it has a plastic cover, now I have to do a custom filter because I crammed a 25hp vtwin kohler into this minibike.
I see you didn’t add an aftermarket airfilter or rejet if i’m not mistaken. Did u run into any lean symptoms/problems after putting just a straight pipe without the other mods?
Hasn't shown any problems so far, I am going back to a stock exhaust exhaust anyways, that was a scooter muffler, it worked because the only thing you heard was the lifters and loose panels but it put too much strain on the header even with the bracket I made, I cut it off at a buddies house so I could get back in the trails, I'm going back stock to make it as reliable as possible, the only mod I have done is to the fuel shutoff, they do have a common issue of getting plugged up.
Oh and I swapped the coils and flywheel over from the stock engine so I could run the headlight, literally same as stock just has the magnets.
Great Upgrades !! Where did you get your Engine Riser mount ? Thanks for sharing 👍
Well unfortunately the shop on ebay does not make them anymore which sucks because the only other riser plate I could find gives you problems with the airbox and exhaust.
Do you need a engine riser for a straight chain?
@@dontmakememad6759 I'm not entirely sure, but if you set the engine and clutch in place run a string from the bottom of the clutch sprocket to the bottom of the rear sprocket and pull it tight, that will show you where the chain will run so you can see what clearance you have, or you could use your chain with the master clip out to do the same thing to see if it clears the bar.
@@ThinkBeforeYouSheep that’s actually genius thanks lol
@@dontmakememad6759 No problem, good luck.
Am I able to put a tillotson 212 on the axis mini bike?
Yes it's the same base, identical dimensions wise as the predator 212.
What sprocket did you buy? Do you have a link having a little trouble finding a good one
www.ebay.com/itm/165967450289?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=165967450289&targetid=1531876741118&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9013489&poi=&campaignid=19851828444&mkgroupid=145880009174&rlsatarget=pla-1531876741118&abcId=9307249&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuZGnBhD1ARIsACxbAVj7Une76WUeq6XVQmoMqhQhRr20fBPhjeN3xiDVlxjLvoyvaYOu5FkaAgptEALw_wcB
This is where I got mine, you can climb anything with the amount of torque you'll get with this one.
Question, I’m curious to know how you ended up with a 70 tooth vs say a 60 tooth. I don’t know , this is why I ask.
Great vid thank you
Well it all depends on how and where you ride, in my case speed isn't really necessary in the trails so I prefer more torque whereas the 60 tooth is a great in between gear for road and trail the 72 tooth sprocket allows me to tractor up any hill without straining a belt or clutch, with a torque converter it still gets decent speed at 41mph on flat ground with a stock engine, I'm looking into getting the 80 tooth sprocket to see if it behaves better on steep inclines.
Was trying to watch this video but it just kept buffering. How fast will it go u think?
With a 30 series torque converter it will go 41, with the jackshaft at most twenty but with hoards of torque.
If I remember correctly with the stock 50 tooth sprocket and a torque converter I was in the mid 50s, but for the terrain I was riding even with a torque converter it still wasn't low enough, so I went with a 72 tooth sprocket, now I have a 25hp Kohler on the minibike now with a jackshaft, I'm going back down to a 50 tooth maybe lower if I ever hope to keep the front end down in a straight line lol.
Are you running a seat spring kit and if so where does a fella get one?
I still have the stock seat but I did find this.
www.ebay.com/itm/295410613374?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1kL-FICvoQTK6FzttlOvcaw86&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=295410613374&targetid=1644837435483&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9013489&poi=&campaignid=20125739985&mkgroupid=149128855676&rlsatarget=pla-1644837435483&abcId=9312975&merchantid=113115549&gclid=CjwKCAjwsvujBhAXEiwA_UXnAFJHigE2kx2g86nK18jEcdLemKvF95Z6TND91Y8mAIFKE2mD57l_7BoCplQQAvD_BwE
U got a link for the 72 tooth? For the ct200u?
www.ebay.com/itm/165967446003?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=165967446003&targetid=1264870805424&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=1018127&poi=&campaignid=14859008593&mkgroupid=130497710760&rlsatarget=pla-1264870805424&abcId=9300678&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3a2iBhCFARIsAD4jQB2jpYzu-rQCxMPNa5AxSphLz8_oRlIpKyUp2OI2QqKiFmpK4oZzllUaAln0EALw_wcB
@@ThinkBeforeYouSheep that’s the 72 tooth?? It looks smaller then the 60 tooth or am I thinking of the 75 tooth ? I got the straight chain and I wanna have as much torque as possible while still having decent speed
@@troyholland3436 The speed if you use the jackshaft is roughly 20's but an unlimited amount of torque, you can go 42mph with this sprocket if you use a 30 series torque converter while still having all the torque to crawl up hill with no struggling, I haven't tried it straight chained and it's impossible for me to try that now because I plopped a 25hp vtwin Kohler on my minibike.
Where'd you get the sprocket?? Sweet build btw brotha!!😁✌️💚✊️🔥
www.ebay.com/itm/165278158312
@@ThinkBeforeYouSheep excellent BIG THANKS brotha!!(=
@@Canadian_Craftsman No problem, they make an 80 tooth that I have been wanting to try out too.
@@ThinkBeforeYouSheep are those stock tire size??
@@Canadian_Craftsman Yes they are stock, so far at low pressure in the trails they have held up pretty good, I have hit several stumps with no issues.
Top speed?
41 mph.
Did you take out the Governor?
No, I still have a stock flywheel, if you end up removing your governor please switch to an aluminum flywheel, the stock cast iron one will come apart, if you're lucky the magnet will fly off, if you're unlucky the flywheel itself will fragment.
Can I have free? 😍❤️