Warriors’ Dynasty Over? + Zion & Giannis Injury Updates 👀 | The Hoop Collective
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2024
- Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN's Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon to react to the Kings eliminating the Warriors, discuss if this could be the end of a dynasty, if Klay will be back and where Golden State goes from here. Plus, the guys talk Zion’s unfortunate injury in the middle of a career game against the Lakers, if he will be ready to play against the Kings, if the Lakers can fair better against the Nuggets this year after getting swept last season, how much trouble the Bucks are in without Giannis for any amount of their series and preview the East Play-In games.
0:00 Did The Kings End The Warriors’ Dynasty?
21:43 Zion Hurt As LA Advances To Face Denver
38:42 Giannis Not Expected To Start Round 1
46:22 East Play-In Preview
50:47 New NBA Awards Voting
55:10 Thanks For Watching!
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Hands Down the Best NBA podcast
facts
Easily
Nah, All NBA Podcast with Legs, Lowe Post, Bill Simons, and First Things First all better
not even close. ALL NBA Podcast with Tim Legler.
Thanks to Bomptems it is. The other 2 idiots just talk about the cavs and mavs every show.
Windy just can't let go of the fact that dynasties end. It's very obvious otherwise the Warriors wouldn't be a play-in team.
If they had traded Draymond immediately after their last championship they'd still be a dynasty, assuming that they got some good pieces for him at that time, plus it probably would've accelerated Kuminga's development.
I think they had a chance last year and this but next year is over for them before it starts...
Totally agree Steph was exhausted this year due to Draymond's continuing absences and drama. This is the same sort of thing that happened in 1998 when Pippen sat out most of the season and Jordan had to carry the Bulls at age 35. The Bulls got it done, but Jordan was exhausted and decided he was done after that.
The Warriors’ core deserved to be kept together until they couldn’t get it done. Now it’s clear they can’t get it done. Goodbye Klay. Goodbye Dray. Time to retool.
If dray didn't miss those games. They would of never been in a win or go home situation.
@@Mikehunt50ifs, buts, and a whole lot of nuts.
They got blown out by 20+ points in a must win by a mediocre kings team...if management has any sense they will end this trio asap.
Draymond arguably cost them last season, too, and the 2016 Finals.
Klay had 0 last night what would you trade him for?
Love this podcast! Especially the no nonsense that Bontemps brings
Same!
crazy to see so many people hating on bontemps for being real
@@winterfoxcloud His take that it shouldn't matter making past the first round if you're not going to win the whole thing is overly simplistic and honestly incorrect. In the context of Lebron I can understand but with that type of thinking we will ultimately minimize the importance of any aspect of the season other than the finals.
@@winterfoxcloudNo we hating because he has really strong opinions that he always believes to be 100% correct even though they’re almost always completely wrong. That’s why we hate him 😂
Thought I was the only one who didn’t hate him lol. Bontempts has a combative communication style which most people perceive as him being an a**hole, but it makes the show more engaging and fun to listen to. Love all 3 of these dudes together
Thank god. Last warriors episode for the season
If GsW go the 2013-2014 San Antonio Spurs route they might be a contender again.
Draft or trade for a young star like the Spurs did with Kawhi.
Rebuild with a young roster and limit the core (man duncan tony) minutes.
Of course the spurs core all took paycuts.
Spurs didnt even know Kawhi was a star. Its not that easy.
Zion gets so much pressure on fitness.. but Ingram and mcollum need to step it up too... Get on the Anthony Edwards fitness plan
Ingram still weighs as much as he did as a rookie
@@Dannt__tf does that have to do with anything
@@ilovekaiykoI think he’s referring to his weight like Zion is overweight at times , but idk why McCollum was mentioned like he’s out of shape or something
@@ilovekaiyko he hasn’t gained any muscle. He was a slasher with the Lakers and developed into a nice shooter but gets bucked going to the rim head on. And yes ik there’s another really good skinny guy but BI isn’t KD
I blame Draymond too but Klay has issues too
Issues? He is getting old..thats it.
This is the best ESPN does. This podcast.
😂
agree, most of the network has resorted to shock value rather than legitimate conversation
i gotta say i love this pod. it's great when these three go at each other over stuff because they so often bring such different perspectives.
Bontemps is hyped. I can tell. I love it. So am I. The NBA playoffs is my favorite time of the year. It is absolutely the best time of the year!
3:30 thank you!! This is *all Draymond Green’s fault. He ruined last season, and that punch with his continued erratic behavior carried over into this year ruining this year.
Truthfully their best episode yet I loveeeeeee it
44:38 classic MacMahon
I share Bontemps' level of exhaustion with Draymond Green. Just play basketball or go to the WWE. It blows my mind he has a KIA commercial that gets played frequently for NBA on TNT.
I do think it speaks to your future stars/players that you can be assured a spot on these teams after allstar/clutch performances as mentioned.
The NBA could've helped the Warriors by banning Draymond for life a couple of years ago for any X number of infractions, nut kicks, chest stomps, neck chokeholds, right hooks, etc. Just the last 2 years alone, he destroyed team chemistry and their next promising player's career by sucker punching a teammate, and this year enjoying a 20-game vacation from multiple suspensions. Instead, most people will only remember Klay's bad game--that's just 1 game, with Draymond we're talking about more than a HALF DECADE of bad behavior without any excuses that cost his team championships or entire seasons.
Very likely one of these players is on the trade block or free agency after a first round loss - KAT, Ingram, Pg13. Warriors need to take a good look at all 3.
Zion getting hurt was awful. That game was amazing until that moment, it really killed it
If Steph had any sense he’d take a page out of LeBron’s book and get the hell out of there before the ship sinks to the bottom of the ocean
I normally listen to the podcast sped up bit which makes it very energenic. It's hilarious to watch this at normal speed as it looks and sounds like they are bored out of their minds and tired 🤣
Been telling people this for years.. they needed to retool then they caught lightning in a bottle and won a chip and doubled down
It's hilariously rude of Tim to mock Giannis's "there is no failure, only mistakes to learn for further successes" press comment
Jalen Brunson is a top-5 player, and should get real buzz for the MVP. No one has done more with less, and all the Knicks did was win and win and win this year.
Cmon in the east you get to play (Hawks, Wizards, Pistons, Nets, Raptors, Hornets) 4 times each. That’s 24 wins
@@IM-st2yoand in the west you get to play Portland, Utah and Spurs
Jalen Brunson is not a top 5 player, he’s be a fine top 5 finisher for MVP this year however
@@Goodshit2000Utah is a plucky team and spurs have Wemby. But that’s maybe 15 wins. East just a top heavy conference where it’s easier to win games
@@IM-st2yo yea the Knicks were 15-15 against the west and 35-17 against the east. They definitely benefited a lot by the east being weak this year. The only team in the East that had a really good record against the west was Boston.
How about murray or trae from atlanta for CP3 to SA for picks and pieces?
Thanks for placing the blame on Draymond Green. It’s 100 percent his fault. Let’s be real
Well, the blame has been split three ways amongst Wiggs, Klay and Draymond. But if Dray wasn't suspended for all those games the warriors wouldn't have been in the play-in to begin with.
Golden States only real option is send the haul for Giannis if Milwaukee gets bounced.
Kuminga, Moody, Podz, 2 1st, 2 pick swaps, and Draymond.
If you dropped bontemps this would be so much better.
i'd stop watching
Ok I lied I love this group ❤
I will lay out exactly what the Warriors need to do
1) Get rid of Wiggins/CP3/Draymond/Klay
2) Have a convo with Steph if he wants to be part of a rebuild. If not, you trade him too
3) Start Moody/Podz/Kuminga/Trayce next year.
Get in the lottery and draft a high end talent to kick start the rebuild
This is a lazy and terrible plan. Warriors still have 1 of the best offensive players (Curry) and best defensive players (Draymond) in the league.
1. Get rid of Wiggins, Cp3 and keep Klay for a paycut and lesser role.
2. Pick up one of the many stars that will be available after the first round. Pg13 and KAT are possible. BT then there are still others. Lauri.
3. Podz and Kuminga stay. Moody and Trayce are dependent on offers.
Probably won’t happen but for the sake of conversation, if Steph agreed to be traded, where would you trade him to?
@@AK-pz7om the best spot would probably be OKC. Thunder have all the assets and need a shooting guard.
@@Shortballa11 oooo that’s interesting. What do you want back if you’re GSW? Surely they’d want one of JDub/Chet along with those picks
@@AK-pz7om i think the thunder could get away with keeping Chet and Jdub. Whatever the max picks you can give away i think the thunder can do. Giddey. Clippers 2024, Houston 2024. Thunder have 4 firsts in 2025 which is supposed to be a good draft. That’s 6 firsts already. And the. Maybe a 2026 for an aging Curry. 7 total firsts and Giddey who is decent
Warriors have to package Wiggins + young players + picks for a star.
lol windy with one eye open the entire pod 😂😂
Kerr and the Warriors tolerated Green's behavior for years. Past that, they're old, small and slow. Expecting Clay to return to form pre 2 major injuries is unrealistic. He can stay a Warrior at a major reduction in salary. They have no moves to make that'll significantly improve the team.
The only prayer for the warrior dynasty to continue is for them to A) get extremely lucky in the draft lottery and wind up with a top 2 or 3 pick that they could then flip maybe with another asset or 2 for someone like mikal bridges or Lauri markkanen and B) for kuminga to blossom next year into a true all star level player. The odds of all that happening are akin to converting an onside kick and then throwing a Hail Mary on the very next play
They are done do you know what that means ? Lol
The warriors just need a second shot creator. If kuminga develops in the off season theyre fine. But getting rid of wiggs is a must. Both kuminga and Moody need his minutes to grow.
“They’re fine” is crazy 🤣 curry turns 37 next March. Kum as a #2 option is another play in team. They need a real player. Not a young prospect. A legit number 2
@SuperMan-uy6xl 37 means nothing. I'm 39 and in peak form. Kuminga doesn't have to be a 2nd option, just an option to create his own offense to ease the pressure on curry. They weren't even a bad team this year. 46 wins in the loaded west is good. And with a summer of development there's a real opportunity for the young guys to take huge leaps and then get the game time next season to shine. The warriors basically need wiggs and cp gone for another reliable 3 point shooter who can defend preferably a wing or guard.
Tim “ i cut everybody off when there talking “ Bontemps
46:46 agreed, but what was he calling for here???
If only the warriors would’ve picked Cam Whitmore
Warriors need to let go of Klay and Draymond.
Curry trash too 😂
Resign Klay and CP3 each for 10 mill or less, and if they refuse, let them walk. Trade Wiggins and a pick to try and get back good role players, but they should probably keep Draymond. Also, they should maybe explore potential trades for Kuminga just to see what kind of value he has around the league
3rd time Mavs vs Clippers in 5 years.
3rd time Warriors missed Playoffs in 5 years.
High hopes has me hoping Klay takes a pay cut and the warriors sign some experienced players to complement there young talent that they have developed this season to go with the 3 peace lol
Banned is the right, this Klay thing is ugly to watch.
Warriors need look at trading for a young star pf like kawi , zion or lauri
I truly dont think the Dynasty is over, I do feel they need to revamp and make a few major changes. Just like the Lakers needed to get rid of Shaq, the Warriors I truly feel need to move on from KT. And he's such a nice guy, I hate saying it. But it benefits both parties.
I think Klay has shots to make for the Warrior left.
I’ve got the Knicks going to the finals. That’s my bold take for the playoffs (as long as everyone stays healthy, except for Randle of course)
also funny when ppl were acting like 'gravity' meant the warriors could win with bad players...no, it just meant that their good players got more wide open shots that they could hit. the players were still very good. now that the players aren't good, that gravity doesn't really mean much...which is what us 'haters' were saying from the beginning
I'll say it again. Just because you have most stats doesn't mean you were more valuable. The V in MVP is valuable not stats. To say Joker who is great by the way was more valuable that SGA is insane. When SGA doesn't play OKC is under 500. When he does, they are scary good. The vote should be close it won't be. That's a shame that voters have fallen in love with stats over valuable. Which in what MVP means.
We act like the 2022 warriors were favorites in the season or playoffs or finals even
Guys it really is not rocket science to up the quality of sound and video in 2024 on a podcast like this for ESPN. Surely there is someone you can reach out to for some help 🤣
Curry with Jokic would be insane
CP3 should have gone to SA before Christmas.
Warriors tryna do another move like they did with kd and my guess is giannis
I understand the rule. It's to stop teams from not resting for the game. They say they played. But they pulled them after 5 minutes and they never played again tanking the game. The rule is good on one hand and bad on another. I could play 82 game and not play 82 minutes. Again, you can understand the why. If teams weren't sitting stars every other game for load management, they wouldn't need this rule. You can thank the NBA coaches for this one.
Its hard to win as an underdog again...
The Warriors problem is Steve Kerr and the fact that he couldn’t develop a cone much less a basketball player. I wouldn’t trust Kerr to coach my dog
You obviously have no idea what you arr watching
Keep em if they agree to a pay cut except sc30.
Why don't we call this the wildcard round instead of the play in.
They should go after someone like Lavine in the trade market. Then go for a big FOR ONCE in free agency
Pels win if zion stays in, lakers almost didn't pull it out without zion in the last 3 min. not a sure thingm as Tim says, but not really a "might" either, more like "very probably"
Windhorst looks like he hangs out at those kinda bars and he got the name Windy because that's what his farts sounds like A wind passing though 2 mountain ranges.. ...:) lmbao..
DOOBIE HAYES
Bontem comes with ya money. It is 7 that Nuggets win. As a Lakers fan, I'm happy Nuggets remove us than King
Can the warriors make cap space to sign Paul George?
Warriors might as well trade Steph for some young assets and picks. Trade everyone and rebuild. They don't have many assets to make them competitive again.
Kerr has adopted the typical NBA head coaching mindset of not wanting to play younger players. That has to change. Small ball has been great, but the league has gotten longer. Time for CP3 to move into mentoring a young team again (OKC) or coaching.
Bontemps: “This Warriors’ season is Draymond Green’s fault.”
Dude if you have every player healthy and lose in the 9/10 play-in game, this season wasn’t going to be anything anyway. There’s no alternate timeline where the Warriors take Denver to game 7 in the WCF or make the Finals.
The point is without Draymond's suspensions they wouldnt have been in the play in
I think his point is draymond missing all those games due to suspension is what hurt warriors positions in standing which makes them a play-in team
@@kraw3026 well the same can be said about many things. Maybe Draymond could have added 5 wins in a best case scenario.
How many more wins do they get if Wiggins matched his 2022 output? Like 5?
Klay matching his 2022 output? 3?
Looney being useful? 2?
CP being useful? 2?
The team just isn’t good enough, even with all of them on the court, healthy. Can’t put everything on Draymond
@@Colinkrauss1 not saying they would have a deep run, just not be in the playin
@@kraw3026 sure that’s fine, but Bontemps said the season is on Draymond. Which is just far too reductive
It's clear Steph wants the core together else management would have broken them up long ago.
GSW needs dray, klay however nah maybe for 10-12m definitely not if over 15m.
No one who has a working brain cell was surprised Dame made just two shots. That's his whole career. Red hot or can't throw it in the ocean. It's why he never won in Portland. You can't win when your main player can be so bad you think he's the worst player in the NBA one night and Godly the next. That's just 1-1. That's why pretty much Portland was a 40ish win team every year he was there.
remember when these guys were saying 'no team wants to play steph curry in a one-off!'...well he's 0-3 in the play-in. hilarious!
, when it started they were the young guys and they had veterans, now their the old guys they need some young guys that plays there style..Poole was what they just needed but kuminga isn’t he doesn’t buy into it not that he’s bad his style of play isn’t their future especially now that Kerr got a extension
Jumping off of two feet lowers injury risk
Find another Nets to trade for 3 ageing stars like Boston😮
Have the bucks given Giannis everything though? Who was Jrue Holiday before he got to Milwaukee? 1 all-star in 11 yrs. He played with AD too. If any, Jrue Holiday accomplished most of his accolades in Milwaukee in just a span of 2 yrs. Why he didn't do that in new Orleans? Also, Dame was supposed to be this amazing player but he's finally getting EXPOSED. Wasting assets meaning is equal to GIANNIS EVERYTHING? When you give 5 2nds rounds to get Jae Crowder is that giving Giannis everything? They also gave a lot for Jrue Holiday.
Y'all wanna lie that they gave Giannis everything. No they didn't. They are just busy giving picks to teams. How many great players has Lebron, KD, Steph, Jokic , Luka, Tatum, Kawhi, Embiid, Dame, or other players played with? If any, Giannis has had the least help of any of those players.
Missing the point I think. They've tried to give Giannis everything and failed at it. They definitely tried though.
This whole post was a whole lot of nonsense. What the hell. They have tried to get him whatever he needs to win - coughing up picks , trading great players (Jrue), getting great players (dame), fired coaches , hired coaches Giannis wanted. Just because dame didn’t have a great year by his means doesn’t mean they aren’t trying. Not everything works out dude lol. other players in other markets will never be comparable. Plus he’s in a small market in Milwaukee . No superstar wants to live there let alone demand a trade there.
EDIT : Also Jrue is a solid player . You’re weird for thinking all star selections (which fans vote a portion of) has anything to do if he’s good or not
Again, guys,can u explain to me what Jokic did differently this year that Luka and SGA didn't. The MVP thing is BS. They should cancel it. The just give only the final MVP
All these superstars are chasing titles but none of them thought about cutting their salary like Tim Duncan did so their team could get the pieces to win a title. That’s why Duncan is the real GOAT
Why would you take a pay cut? The organization wouldn't do that for you, why do that for them? It's nonsensical
I want Stephen Curry Klay Thompson Zion Williamson Trade to Chicago Bulls this 2024 Offseason move
I think the Pelicans should trade for Trae Young
Windy, you want to keep this team together to achieve what?
Warriors could have gotten more out of Jeremy Lin vs Chris Paul.
The most exciting game… any yall give it barely 5 minutes. Miami in 1.
Should of traded klay at the trade deadline that killed them
Jordan as a wizard
Spurs Vet min.
The comments right now are truly what this pod deserve 😂
For the last 3 years they've done nothing. That tells you it's over right there. Next year they are another year older and slower.
Bucks are under the most pressure? Over the Celtics? THESE DUDES ARE UNBELIEVABLE
You're right, Celtics have the most pressure. Must win the east. Would love to see a 7 game series with the Nuggets, we'll see.
Bucks star players are significantly older maybe that’s why
The Celtics are not under pressure because they are clearly the best team in the league and has consistently made it further in the playoffs year after year than the bucks. The Bucks got a championship I’ll give you that but right now the Bucks are on the brink of imploding, if y’all don’t win games gone, and you might lose Giannis too
Under as much pressure I meant to say. And I’m not even trying to say it’s not a must win year for the Celtics what I’m trying to say is like I said before the Bucks will implode if they don’t win
@@joshlitman8310 implode off the very FIRST YEAR WITH DAME ? Makes no sense to me , but you have a team in the Celtics who have NEVER WON ANYTHING, Last year Bucks where number 1 seed and still got blasted I feel it's bias and lazy opinions and sick of it. I TRULY BELIEVE PEOPLE JUST DONT LIKE THE BUCKS OR GIANNIS
The media keep trying to convince the world that these superstars of yesterday (Bron Curry KD Kawhi) are still contenders or can contend when we all have eyeballs is pure comedy man. 😂 Talk about pushing agendas. The young players run the league now ( Giannis Jokic Tatum Luka )
GSW should keep Klay, Podz, and Kuminga. Trade everyone else.
i think looney as well, he fits there play style very well
@@slim6766 But even he seemed to fall out of the rotation. He provides rebounds but is not much of a rim protector or offensive threat
so trade all the players that you will get nothing back for? How does that make sense
@@sheabilladeau1392 thats true
Paul might go back to suns
Pels should offer the Celtics Ingram for Brown. Celtics need the cash savings
Ingram plays similar to Tatum why would Boston do that lol
Can this show actually delve into the topic of basketball? Instead of unpacking the game, those guys go directly into basketball celebrity gossip.
Dray or Klay come to LA :)
34 9 9 and not even 2nd in the MVP lol. This coming from a guy who said Warrios dynasty aint over lol. Get his vote off next year
Good job not talking about the kings for more than 1 minutes love it ESPN
Why does Bontemps sound so mad? Calm the hell down.
The warriors used to have a guy to take the load off curry…he could attack and he could shoot…but then the Draymond punched him and the team sided with Draymond…now Stephen curry is looking exhausted after being doubled with no one to pass to
No what happened is the league allowed more physical play and dude is soft for exposed
Time to trade Curry to Lakers so LBJ can win #5 😂. Let Kerr replace Billie D in Chicago. Send Dray to Detroit. Klay to Miami 😂
I pray the Celtics trade Jaylen Brown and whatever else for Curry in the offseason. Tatum is too soft to be a legit #1 🙏