Yes this makes sense. Adapters to make different lenses work with other cameras, lenses not fully locked completely and shaking the device too much does cause problems. Good Job Simon! Cheers!
3:01 it was caused by the way circuitry was done at the time, which created many connection points that may go bad.... therefore, with time, oxydation on these electrical contacts/connectors was causing resistance to the current. Vibrations (shock) sometimes helped getting these metal parts to rub off the oxidation and restore electrical contacts. Today's circuit board are more integrated using surface mounted parts and way less contact points / connectors, + todays connectors are usually better designed with gold plated contacts (or other metal that resists oxydation).
I stopped using battery grips years ago. Batteries are much better than they used to be. I'd rather save the weight and bulk than the few seconds it takes to change a battery.
@amir.mubaidin More difficult to fit in a bag without removing it. More difficult to use with a strap, especially sling style. I'd rather have an extra lens, compact camera or film camera in my bag.
@@stew_redman I see your point, but for wildlife it's probably worth it as you might need the extra battery capacity as well as vertical stability. But I agree for normal shooting it is irrelevant
The battery grip adds weight, which is good for stabilization in video. It also saves me from getting my fingers cold changing batteries. I just shoot and don't worry about range.
Regarding the smacking of early era televisions and radios: Primarily this was about fading vacuum tubes which with a jiggle might realign internally enough to keep tuning in a signal. Eventually “solid state” (which was a huge selling point back in the day) took over such that the CRT was the only vacuum component remaining in televisions and banging the set stopped making a difference. But before that, a bang might keep the television repairman away for months!
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Those old habits took a long time to die out. For those who grew up in the 30s on tube radios, that’s just what you did. And in theory with early solid state there were lots of solder points and wired connections (particularly at the back of the CRT) which might improve a bit with a kick!
I remember seeing a broken radio out for trash when I was 5. It had vacuum tubes in them. I did what any 5 year old would do, remove them and smash them. I was amazed to hear the sound they made. I think that was the first and last time I saw one inside a radio or tv ;)
Uh oh! Now you too? I've been out a few times, walking the beach, in 35°-40° F without any issues. I do check the battery grip dial each time I go out because I had the BG-R10 come loose on my R5. Really loose. I'm curious to know now if people having battery issues are using a grip or not. Maybe you could do a survey. Thanks for the tip.
It looked fine so I didn't check to see if it was tight. With failing eyesight, it appeared fine ;) It was only ever so loose. Something I will check every time. I wonder if this is some of the reasons for the complaints ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker @cathco9 On the previous video there were some comments people suffering from it even without the grip. Given that I bagged 7300 shots from a single battery at 3 degC, I don't think a grip is worth it for me ..
Perhaps a battery heated vest for them? My camera store has a camera blanket on the rack. I really think that the plastic or metal shrunk ever slightly from the cold causing the thumb turn to come loose.
Smacking a 1970s TV might help reseat a loose transistor or vacuum tube. Today's electronics don't have those. I was just about to ask about the battery grip. Did the other people complaining about shutdowns use battery grips?
Depends on the external temperature and shooting duration. If recording 4K Fine for minutes on end, -18 would not bother it at all. But shot in frequently, or take a few bursts every few minutes, and it won't fight off -18. I guess the best answer is it depends - I was thinking that ;)
I’ve been on the opposite end of the Thermometer in Australia, I shot an event at 30+ degree. The camera was displaying 1 or 2 bars at the temperature scale, which was fine but it was chewing trough batteries like no tomorrow
Hey Simon! Your the only person I could think of to answer a question relating to the R5 Mark ii. I live in Finnish Lapland in the Arctic. Last night I took my R5 Mark ii to capture some auroras as we had a KP6 storm. Next to me I had the original R5 with the same settings. 0/4 Shutter Speed - 2.8 Aperture - 4000 ISO. On the back of the screen and in the view finder on the R5 Mark ii I just had pixels and couldn't see what I was shooting until I took a photo. Once the photo was taken it was a perfect exposure. I just guessed my composition for the rest of the evening. On the R5 next to me with the same settings I could see the composition in the back LED screen and the view finder. Is this an issue with the R5 ii and is it work contacting Canon support? Love the channel! Watching each video! Cheers mate!
Mine hasn't blacked out yet but it has froze up on me twice. I had to remove the battery to fix it as the camera on off button wasn't turning the camera off. I was in about 65 degrees F when this has happened
well, it sounds like as previously suspected, it's likely contact issues when the cold have extra shrinkage of the contacts, so bad contact due to cold breaks the barely in contact parts
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Yes, but maybe also kind of design error, for decades the Canon grips have plastic gears for the locking mechanism, I've personally seen people over tighten them and break the gear permanently. IMO it isn't difficult to make the spring some 1mm longerso it can tolerate cold better. For that purpose, since we are nobody, did you contacted Canon to report the suspect and let the maybe have some design or guidelines out?
Morning Simon, I have the Canon 90D and the same problem happened to me also when I was out shooting. Took me awhile before I realized the wheel screw for the battery grip was loose and not tight. Still too this day every once in awhile it will become loose, so I always check before starting out on my ventures. Why it keeps happening I do not know unless when the camera is hanging on my side, when walking the wheel is rubbing against my hip. I have a Sigma 150-600 C attached to the 90D for birding and I guess the weight of the gear hanging at my side it rubs against my hip when walking as the camera strap is long. Brian
Learning the hard way. With all the talk about the camera shutting down, I wanted to let others in on a simple check ;) Took me about ten stressful minutes to figure it out. It was the first time I had seen heavy fog with snow creating some unique views :) I didn't want to miss it.
Happy new year to you Simon . I thought you was going to be back peddling but a the battery grip ! makes you think about the other people having a problem if its something to do with the connectors between the grip and the body ? or have some people had the same problem without a grip ?
Yep - it certainly does. I got the grip not because I need it, but because I wanted to be Abel to give an honest review when shooting in the heat, but ended up leaving it on most of the time. I love the feel and not having to check batteries every 30 minutes ;)
Occasionally, I plug in my phone to charge. But my USB hub wasn't powered. Mind you, trouble shooting that doesn't take much. Now my mother has been retired for 10 years. She use to do asmin work; sending out email correspondence with partners and contractors, and managing all the paperwork for them. Now, not needing to do any of that, she has trouble adding attachments to her occasional emails.
Tube TV often responded to a shake or punch because a power tube or vert/hori tube was getting wonky. With circuit board TV, sometimes contact is dodgy and loose. Being that those battery grips are screwed into the bottom of the camera, I posit warm hands (or even gloved) on the grip might loosen by microns or millimeters to cause a loss of contact.
Maybe it was thermal expansion, you tightened the screw inside your warm house and went out into the cold. The screw shrunk and came loose. Maybe it is something canon should have considered during design.
With any use, screws can come loose. Perhaps while wearing gloves, I was brushing against the thingy ;) I suspect it was because I use it a lot and realize I need to check before every use.
Hi Simon, ohhh .. now I suddenly understand get why some other parents were slapping their kids in our childhood days .. 🙈 Glad you found the true culprit !! That's a hard thing for Canon to find out when they receive gear to service !
It would be nice if the grip had a locking mechanism so we know it's tight enough. I don't like to over tighten things - perhaps that is why it came loose.
I haven't upgraded from the R5 and will probably wait until the teething issues have been fully sorted, before feeling the urge to move to the R5 II. Thanks for all the information during 2024, with details of what's up & coming in the camera market. I hope your viewers who are watching your videos, will take the time to subscribe to your channel, if for nothing else but to say thanks and offer their support. It would be great if during 2025, just by the "click of a button" we could see your numbers creep towards the 100K figure. Happy New Year 🥂🍾
Got to say, the R5 II feels polished and issue free. The first two issues fixed a lot of annoying bugs like not saving custom settings or getting a blank LCD screen. Been shooting a lot for three months and it feels solid. The Mark 1 - it took much longer to be ready. I'm not sure why, but I'm limited to about 12,000 subscribers a year - no matter the news, no matter if it is year 1 or year 5. Just how it is I guess )
Here's a suggestion. Connect your R5ii to USB power and do 8k60p nonstop until it almost overheats before you go out to shoot in colder climates lol
That is a good idea... maybe I will... ;)
Yes this makes sense. Adapters to make different lenses work with other cameras, lenses not fully locked completely and shaking the device too much does cause problems. Good Job Simon! Cheers!
I'm always worried abut travelling over washboard roads for extended periods of time ;)
3:01 it was caused by the way circuitry was done at the time, which created many connection points that may go bad.... therefore, with time, oxydation on these electrical contacts/connectors was causing resistance to the current. Vibrations (shock) sometimes helped getting these metal parts to rub off the oxidation and restore electrical contacts. Today's circuit board are more integrated using surface mounted parts and way less contact points / connectors, + todays connectors are usually better designed with gold plated contacts (or other metal that resists oxydation).
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I always wondered about why.
After 40+ years in IT, I've heard it all!
Oh yeah... remember when people used to call the computer itself a hard drive? I felt like slapping people around.
I also used to smack the area near the solenoid in my car so it would start in the seventies🤭😅. Defo worked!
OMG, that is something I used to do in the 90s...
I stopped using battery grips years ago. Batteries are much better than they used to be. I'd rather save the weight and bulk than the few seconds it takes to change a battery.
Something that entered my mind Stew
i mean i want one, but only so that its easier for vertical shooting, especially for wildlife
@amir.mubaidin More difficult to fit in a bag without removing it. More difficult to use with a strap, especially sling style. I'd rather have an extra lens, compact camera or film camera in my bag.
@@stew_redman I see your point, but for wildlife it's probably worth it as you might need the extra battery capacity as well as vertical stability. But I agree for normal shooting it is irrelevant
The battery grip adds weight, which is good for stabilization in video. It also saves me from getting my fingers cold changing batteries. I just shoot and don't worry about range.
Spent two days wandering Vermont with the R5II in the cold and thankfully didn’t have any battery issues.
I think it is a limited production run that is having issues. But it is good to make sure the grip is tight ;)
Regarding the smacking of early era televisions and radios: Primarily this was about fading vacuum tubes which with a jiggle might realign internally enough to keep tuning in a signal. Eventually “solid state” (which was a huge selling point back in the day) took over such that the CRT was the only vacuum component remaining in televisions and banging the set stopped making a difference. But before that, a bang might keep the television repairman away for months!
Ahhh. I didn't realize that. Vacuum tubes had gone from TV's made in the 70s and 80s, but we kept smacking the TV until about the mid 80s ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Those old habits took a long time to die out. For those who grew up in the 30s on tube radios, that’s just what you did. And in theory with early solid state there were lots of solder points and wired connections (particularly at the back of the CRT) which might improve a bit with a kick!
I remember seeing a broken radio out for trash when I was 5. It had vacuum tubes in them. I did what any 5 year old would do, remove them and smash them. I was amazed to hear the sound they made. I think that was the first and last time I saw one inside a radio or tv ;)
Oh, great video. Glad did you shared with us such informations.
As soon as it happened, I knew I had to do a video on it...
Uh oh! Now you too? I've been out a few times, walking the beach, in 35°-40° F without any issues. I do check the battery grip dial each time I go out because I had the BG-R10 come loose on my R5. Really loose. I'm curious to know now if people having battery issues are using a grip or not. Maybe you could do a survey. Thanks for the tip.
It looked fine so I didn't check to see if it was tight. With failing eyesight, it appeared fine ;) It was only ever so loose. Something I will check every time. I wonder if this is some of the reasons for the complaints ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker @cathco9 On the previous video there were some comments people suffering from it even without the grip.
Given that I bagged 7300 shots from a single battery at 3 degC, I don't think a grip is worth it for me ..
Perhaps a battery heated vest for them? My camera store has a camera blanket on the rack. I really think that the plastic or metal shrunk ever slightly from the cold causing the thumb turn to come loose.
Smacking a 1970s TV might help reseat a loose transistor or vacuum tube. Today's electronics don't have those. I was just about to ask about the battery grip. Did the other people complaining about shutdowns use battery grips?
I haven't hit an electronic in many years ;)
Some were using the grip.
I was wondering if the heat from cf express card would warm the battery in the camera, but not heat the batteries in the grip.
Depends on the external temperature and shooting duration. If recording 4K Fine for minutes on end, -18 would not bother it at all. But shot in frequently, or take a few bursts every few minutes, and it won't fight off -18. I guess the best answer is it depends - I was thinking that ;)
Happy New Year!
I appreciate that Chuck. Same to you.
I’ve been on the opposite end of the Thermometer in Australia, I shot an event at 30+ degree. The camera was displaying 1 or 2 bars at the temperature scale, which was fine but it was chewing trough batteries like no tomorrow
Looking forward to seeing how the camera handles in the heat in 2025 Patrick ;) SO far - its good to -18!
informative news thanks Simon
Hey Simon! Your the only person I could think of to answer a question relating to the R5 Mark ii. I live in Finnish Lapland in the Arctic. Last night I took my R5 Mark ii to capture some auroras as we had a KP6 storm. Next to me I had the original R5 with the same settings. 0/4 Shutter Speed - 2.8 Aperture - 4000 ISO. On the back of the screen and in the view finder on the R5 Mark ii I just had pixels and couldn't see what I was shooting until I took a photo. Once the photo was taken it was a perfect exposure. I just guessed my composition for the rest of the evening. On the R5 next to me with the same settings I could see the composition in the back LED screen and the view finder. Is this an issue with the R5 ii and is it work contacting Canon support?
Love the channel! Watching each video!
Cheers mate!
Mine hasn't blacked out yet but it has froze up on me twice. I had to remove the battery to fix it as the camera on off button wasn't turning the camera off. I was in about 65 degrees F when this has happened
The blackouts occurred before the first firmware update.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Mine have been after the second
well, it sounds like as previously suspected, it's likely contact issues when the cold have extra shrinkage of the contacts, so bad contact due to cold breaks the barely in contact parts
Highly possible. It my case, it was human error.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Yes, but maybe also kind of design error, for decades the Canon grips have plastic gears for the locking mechanism, I've personally seen people over tighten them and break the gear permanently. IMO it isn't difficult to make the spring some 1mm longerso it can tolerate cold better. For that purpose, since we are nobody, did you contacted Canon to report the suspect and let the maybe have some design or guidelines out?
Morning Simon, I have the Canon 90D and the same problem happened to me also when I was out shooting. Took me awhile before I realized the wheel screw for the battery grip was loose and not tight. Still too this day every once in awhile it will become loose, so I
always check before starting out on my ventures. Why it keeps happening I do not know unless when the camera is hanging on my side, when walking the wheel is rubbing against my hip. I have a Sigma 150-600 C attached to the 90D for birding and I guess the weight of the gear hanging at my side it rubs against my hip when walking as the camera strap is long.
Brian
Learning the hard way. With all the talk about the camera shutting down, I wanted to let others in on a simple check ;) Took me about ten stressful minutes to figure it out. It was the first time I had seen heavy fog with snow creating some unique views :) I didn't want to miss it.
Happy new year to you Simon . I thought you was going to be back peddling but a the battery grip ! makes you think about the other people having a problem if its something to do with the connectors between the grip and the body ? or have some people had the same problem without a grip ?
Yep - it certainly does. I got the grip not because I need it, but because I wanted to be Abel to give an honest review when shooting in the heat, but ended up leaving it on most of the time. I love the feel and not having to check batteries every 30 minutes ;)
@OrdinaryFilmmaker yes my R5 has a grip it helps balance lenses like the RF28-70 f2 also i like theblook and feel with the grip , looks like a R1 lol
Yes, it does have a meaner look. With the 50 f1.4 on it, and a quick release plate on it, its stand ready and heavy duty looking.
I had a similar issue a few months ago with R5ii. I thought the camera was overheating. Nope the battery grip had come loose 😅.
Yep... It was a frustrating ten minutes or so until I figure it out ;)
Occasionally, I plug in my phone to charge. But my USB hub wasn't powered. Mind you, trouble shooting that doesn't take much.
Now my mother has been retired for 10 years. She use to do asmin work; sending out email correspondence with partners and contractors, and managing all the paperwork for them. Now, not needing to do any of that, she has trouble adding attachments to her occasional emails.
I'm beginning to have trouble with simple things now too... especially when tired from an early morning airport ride....
Tube TV often responded to a shake or punch because a power tube or vert/hori tube was getting wonky. With circuit board TV, sometimes contact is dodgy and loose. Being that those battery grips are screwed into the bottom of the camera, I posit warm hands (or even gloved) on the grip might loosen by microns or millimeters to cause a loss of contact.
I think you're right... the gloves accidentally brushed up against the fastener.
Are you using the cooling fan grip Simon or only the camera, the cooling grip might have something to do with this problem.
The cooling grip CF-R20EP
Maybe it was thermal expansion, you tightened the screw inside your warm house and went out into the cold. The screw shrunk and came loose. Maybe it is something canon should have considered during design.
With any use, screws can come loose. Perhaps while wearing gloves, I was brushing against the thingy ;) I suspect it was because I use it a lot and realize I need to check before every use.
@OrdinaryFilmmaker if you are not taking off the battery grip often, maybe you can put on some blue loctite?
I couldn't focus shooting vertically with 5D Mark IV until I unscrewed and than screwed battery grip...
It does make that easier.
Hi Simon, ohhh .. now I suddenly understand get why some other parents were slapping their kids in our childhood days .. 🙈
Glad you found the true culprit !! That's a hard thing for Canon to find out when they receive gear to service !
LMAO... I was so happy it was the grip and not the camera acting up. I wondered why it was only happening around 5-6C and not -18...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker yeah, at -18 the grip lock might be frozen 😛
It would be nice if the grip had a locking mechanism so we know it's tight enough. I don't like to over tighten things - perhaps that is why it came loose.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Sure enough, after the standard grip, network grip and cooling grip, they could add a "locking grip" and an "extra CFxB grip" 🙈
subscribing costs me my time.
That it does. But watching is free ;) adding value.
Buy a Nikon z9 or z8 and you can play -0 grades temperatures
I haven't upgraded from the R5 and will probably wait until the teething issues have been fully sorted, before feeling the urge to move to the R5 II. Thanks for all the information during 2024, with details of what's up & coming in the camera market. I hope your viewers who are watching your videos, will take the time to subscribe to your channel, if for nothing else but to say thanks and offer their support. It would be great if during 2025, just by the "click of a button" we could see your numbers creep towards the 100K figure. Happy New Year 🥂🍾
Got to say, the R5 II feels polished and issue free. The first two issues fixed a lot of annoying bugs like not saving custom settings or getting a blank LCD screen. Been shooting a lot for three months and it feels solid. The Mark 1 - it took much longer to be ready.
I'm not sure why, but I'm limited to about 12,000 subscribers a year - no matter the news, no matter if it is year 1 or year 5. Just how it is I guess )
Try using the old batteries also.
I tried them when I got the camera. The reduced functionality wasn't painful that I;ve given up using them in the R5 II Jeffrey.
KI picture 😢
Nah, just using AI... I would never do that to my own camera...
Also known as a 'maintenance tap'.🙄