This helped explain some of my grouping issues! I found that if I practice with just one arrow I slow down and concentrate more. When I practice with a quiver full I don't always go through the mechanics. With one arrow I walk up and back from the target and try recognize what I did or didn't do right with that shot. And that has helped with my target panic especially when it time to fling broad heads. Good luck this year hope y'all fill up your freezers!
Same here. Also I don't shoot bails but a hanging blanket. This helps me train my eyes to read the arrow in flight instead of relying on shaft position in or through a target. If can get your eyes to watch the arrow in flight you will need less gear to get better.
Sounds interesting, might try and follow this. I have a problem where I release the arrow too early. Like I just draw to my anchor point, aim for like 2 seconds, and release. I don't think that's right, so I'm trying to make myself aim for 5 seconds to get better shots
I almost gave up on traditional archery today due to target panic. I then stumbled on this video and it gave me hope. This is EXACTLY what I needed. Who would have thought it would be so simple?!?!?! I grabbed my bow, and did EXACTLY what you and Joel said to do. I cannot thank you two enough!!! My shooting has improved TREMENDOUSLY!!! I'm no longer struggling to get that shot up on target!!!
Hey Clay, I want you to know that this video changed my archery experience! I was in a slump and had plateaued. I was frustrated. Then I watched this video. I studied and rewatched it twice for good measure. Then I took careful notes on it. Then, I applied the advice and techniques that you and Joel offered. And my shots increased and my placement improved! I can't tell you how happy this makes me.! Thank you both! (P.S. I watch all your other videos too on archery. You rock Clay and keep up the good work brother!.)
This is such a wonderful resource. I've been shooting about 20 years and I like to think im a pretty decent shot but every now and then I hit a distance or a shot that kind of gets to me a bit. This is a game changer for me thank you so much guys, great work!
Okay a week after watching... This is the most impactful information I've taken in about archery. I'm still quite new but I can see how I was already hitting a plateau. Now.. hahaha.. everytime I go to release my shot I calm myself down and remind "everyone" im the boss here. Results speak for themselves, it's pretty impressive. And I can see how that mentality already translates to other areas of my life, allowing me to remain calm under pressure and take clear decisive action. Thank you both so much!
I use a similar release. 1st take a deep breath as I draw, and on a slow exhale I aquire the target and at the end of the exhale I release. I find that this relaxes me, and keeps me from hovering (getting the figure 8).
I'm new to archery(few months)and this video is absolutely perfect. It gives the information you need and brings up things that... really not a lot of people even begin to think about. Simple and solid editing that keeps it interesting without cutting out important details. The part about talking yourself through the steps after you already take aim is something I will definitely pay attention to next time I shoot. Thanks for the in-depth vid!
I took a break from shooting traditional about three years because of target panic, no matter how much I tried it came out in different ways and finally the other day at a friend's house I picked up their 25 pound recurve and said ok hopefully all my bad shooting habits are gone and I focused completely on aim and release and sank 5 arrows into a 4 inch group for the first time in years. Awesome feeling getting through that target panic. Just had to be deliberate about getting over it like he said.
I suffered from target panic when I was about 13 and stopped shooting as I didn't know how to get past it, now I'm 50 and after a few good years shooting the dreaded symptoms started to return. I followed Joel's instruction and practised my internal monologue and after 1 hour I've got control back shooting at around 10 metres. I'm going to keep working on it but just wanted to thank you both.
This guy is great , but I also read ( idiot proof Archery ) and did as it instructed and it helped me greatly , his explanation and cure is guaranteed to cure it it you actually follow through with it.
Joel has truly advanced the target panic issue. Staying on the back end of the shot & not aiming is the key for me. His teachings & Terry Wunderle have helped me the most.
It's so easy to hear this, and process it, and understand it and evaluate it and what I'm doing wrong. I've watched this so many times but.......It's very very hard to practice it.
I mastered target panic by shooting in loud situations, I’d shoot my bow while others were shooting 12 gauges at clays , really helped me stay calm in other situations, so once it was quiet like it is in the woods it was a breath of fresh air and shooting was so much easier , one thing I’ll never control is the mini heart attack when a nice whitetail buck walks in lol
There's a small archery range in my town right on a busy road. Between the constant passenger vechicles, big city trucks, and the occasional person who wants to yell stupid shit while I'm aiming, you've given me a new perspective on it all!
@@pony3284 yep , being able to tune all that out is massively helpful , so I figured I’d try to do it with the most sudden and loud noise I could be around which is a 12g going off 15 feet behind you lol , being able to not jump or flinch when someone shoots unexpectedly has really made me focus on my shot and only my shot. Although my friends do look at me weird when their blowing up clay birds having a blast and I’m shooting a recurve by myself 😂
Wow...that's a really good idea. I'm seriously gonna start doing that now. I don't even have too many problems with target panic but that just sounds like a really good way to train🤷♂️ You might be a genius.
@@KorokHaze93 target panic was my biggest problem when I was a kid learning how to hunt , I felt like I was calm, and thought I really was but when the time came to let an arrow fly I’d shortly find out I was aiming at the deer in general rather than a small spot. I did everything imaginable and couldn’t beat it til I tried this. Then all the sudden my arrows started going where I wanted them to! Happy hunting and hope this idea can help ya even a little bit!
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Fred Bear talked about target panic in some of his videos. He said it took him three years to come up with a technique of aiming to at least deal with target panic, if not to overcome it. He also admitted that his style of shooting was not what he would recommend others to emulate. Shooting stationary targets that never move is good for consistent form and accuracy practice, but... snap shooting can have merit under some hunting situations where there is only a few seconds to come to full draw, ANCHOR, and make the shot to harvest an animal. Fred said that if he came to full draw and tried to hold it, he would lose concentration. His style was aiming DURING the draw, and releasing instantly when he came to anchor. Coming to a consistent anchor is one of the main points for accuracy and he understood that.
Hi guys, a big thank you for your work, I don't speak perfect English, but what I could understand and from my own experience, I describe 4 essential sequences to take place during the shooting with a notable point before any intension of shooting, namely a detachment of the mind from a target or an animal in the hunt, try to appeal as little as possible to emotionel (on a type of shooting consciously constructed without intinctive) so as to unfold the most pragmatically shooting, here is a little summary of what I could learn with practice and your precious tutorials The first step is the position: The body is straight flexible and the head naturally turns towards the target. Cock the bow in line with the bow wrist and the string wrist well in line with each other to avoid any vibration when the release occurs. Projecting the front shoulder in the axis when you arm the bow and the lowest possible . Arm the bow with the dorsals with the most flexible string arm possible. Anchor the hand on the face strong enough to gain stability with still the hooked but flexible rope fingers, subtly feel the tension of the rope under these fingers and on his back. Raise your elbow Prepare for the second sequence Second Sequences: Alignment of the rope along the length of the arrow. To aim Quick check of the alignment of both hands Prepare for the third sequence, always so pragmatic Third sequences: Build, build back tension, feel your back tighten with a refinement of the aim until the moment of the release! Fourth sequences: Read the trajectory of the arrow to the target! From that moment I think that we can let go and build the emotion! Having practiced instinctive shooting for many years with sawtooth results, it is very gratifying today to be able to progress and partly control your shooting and therefore your mind! Good arrows! Greg
As a beginner well, actually a restarter, this is the best video I have seen very long time thank you gentlemen for sharing your inner most fundamental skill set the world!
Thank You, Thank You Thank You! This video has helped me tremendously, target panic was a huge problem for me for months. The simple process of making a conscious decision helped. My shooting improved so much in less then one week. Both you and Joel really broke it down and simplified my shooting. Keep up the videos.
Shot ibo for yr.s ,us 3di team in Geneva Italy never could understand target panic until last yr. It happened. 15 yard blank bale and worked through it. A lot of good info here great job!
He's putting it in easy to understand terms. I taught myself these steps just last year 15 years after starting archery in my life and I know exactly where he's coming from. Haven't mastered it, I still faulter more than I'd like, but when everything is fully conscious in your shot and follow through you shoot best. One drill that helped me may sound weird but it just works. And that's drawing and aiming, but never actually releasing the arrow. You tell yourself before you draw that you're only going to aim and never release, and instead of releasing the arrow, tell just yourself when it's time to release, it puts things into really clear perspective, you then collapse your draw and lower the bow, arrow still on the string. Something about not knowing the release is actually coming really puts your mind at ease and allows you to grasp all the fine details of aiming and what it's all about. I still do this drill occasionally. I should add that another thing that really helped me was just switching to three under, with split the tip of the arrow is basically in your bottom peripheral vision, much harder to notice it and easier to start forgetting.
As a new archer and soon to be bowhunter I have been practicing 1-3 hrs a day, every day for the last month. I watched this video about 2 weeks ago and so glad I did. Even though I didn't really understand what you guys were talking about I immediately went out and purchased myself a clicker and started focusing on separating my jobs and getting my subconscious out of the way. I am now shooting a 6 inch plate all day from 10 yards and my shots are now consistently on target at 30+ yards. The results are one thing but the feeling I get now by shooting in this structured way is even better. Thank you so much for sharing this information, I know for a fact without it I would likely have spent years to learn what I have learned in weeks.
I watch this video yesterday. Went out and shot my recurve right after and it really did help. I was releasing the arrow as soon I was aimed. I aim then told myself to shoot. I was surprised in how much it helped. I've been shooting and hunting with traditional archery since 2005. I've hit a plateau the last few years. I'm hoping this will help. Thanks again for another great video
For years I have found myself naturally settling my aim about 4 inches below where it should be and then struggling to move it up and release at the same time to hit the intended point. Am I the only one that does this? Recently I have found that if I simply practice coming to full draw, aim, and hold it, all the while knowing I am not going to shoot, I can hold it on target for a long time. This made me realize it is totally a mental thing and I have to be determined to get on target as soon as I'm at full draw and hold it there instead of 4 inches low. This video makes A LOT of sense and was very helpful! Will be watching it a few more times and making it a habit!
I do the exact same thing. I always draw low and come up to target and get stuck ever time about 4 inches under it. Then I have to jump it up and release to hit where I'm aiming. I gotta get out of it that's why I'm watching this video.
Great video guys, now if I could make myself do it. I have shot Traditional for around 55 years now. Shot split finger snap shooting until a couple years ago and done pretty good. The last two years have been shooting three under with a point on style it suits me fine for hunting but I haven't been able to finish it out like I see here. Thanks again for the video.
This same mentality is applied to close quarters combat rifle training. Slow is smooth..smooth is fast. The repetition of humble introspective mindset,fundamentals,muscle memory and finally subconsciously performing under pressure is a beautiful art of the human design.
Thank you...this is the biggest problem I face is to be perfectly on target and then miss. I thought it was aim anxiety but now know different. My target panic was having me tighten my bow hand (torquing my bow) and moving the bow after release (wanting shot to end) before arrow was in target. Amazing improvement in accuracy once I realized this.
That part at 8:26 hit home for me. When I started shooting archery seriously in my mid 20s that first year was just a landslide of progress. I became one of the better shooters I know, out of a lot of hardcore longtime hunters, within 6 months from taking 150-200 shots a week in the backyard. From the end of that first year until now? I don't know that i've made any real improvements. I'm still just a slightly above average shooter. Time to make changes.
I just want to say this really has helped me with my target panic. Mine was horrible. It was so bad recently after shooting a 3D course, it made me want to put down the trad bow altogether. I could not even get to anchor before letting one fly. It's still a battle, but I'm improving every time I shoot. My grouping has dramatically improved in consistency as well. Thanks for this video.
This is yet another example of how powerful the process of “think, speak, act” is. Each part of the process builds into the next. This is why words and thoughts are powerful, because the rest of the process is always at the very least acknowledged.
Crazy cus I’m a beginner but I naturally built a lot of these habits after my initial lessons..I always take a second and say, “let’s go motha fuckah”, or “here we go”, to myself as I focus on stillness and release(and try not to affect my set up by releasing), sometimes I even whisper it, then I exhale and as soon as my exhale makes me still I release. And I continued to do it cus it always felt like those were my good shots, so I did it almost superstitiously until I saw this and made the connection.
I did a practice using "Here I Go" as a mantra to repeat and scored a personal best on a vegas small-ten face. This was only practice and when I took it onto the field course with someone else of comparable skill, I lost focus a few times. By making this process of aiming then transitioning to shot execution and not going back to the aiming stage I think I will improve and be able to take this skill into a competition. I think this will help me under pressure and enjoy competition more.
Bowhunting and shooting my bow has been a passion since I was 11 years old. Target panic has been my nemesis that entire time. There have been times when I got so frustrated that I no longer enjoyed shooting. It literally makes me sad to think about how much joy it has sucked out my shooting and hunting. I don't enjoy shooting 3D with friends at all, I could never shoot competitively, and I've been the person Joel talks about, where I've actually been relieved to not have that buck present a shot, for fear that I'd blow it. I Bought Joel's DVD about 10 years ago, and I've read a book on the subject. I have times where I get it under control, and in those times, I feel like I'm invincible. I'm going to buy the course, because it sounds like he's got what I desperately need.
I’ve been shooting traditional archery for nearly 40 years. Much of that time I struggled with target panic. About the last four years it has been much improved, but I won’t say I’ve completely beat it. It took a complete technique change to realize the improvement.
I used to have what I can only describe as a quartering toward the target stance. This stance created a triangle between my hand holding the bow, the shoulder of my arm holding the bow, and my anchor which was middle finger corner of my mouth with the tip of my nose touching the string. I also had a pretty heavy cant with my bow. Being right handed, that stance tried to pull my bow arm to the right at full draw because my anchor point was not in line with my bow arm(left arm). I was actually fighting to keep that left arm solid at draw, and sometimes would collapse at release hitting way right of intended target. I also double-clutched a lot when my brain was telling me to release, and also telling me I wasn’t ready at the same time. Quite the mental struggle. I also was trying to shoot instinctive. It got to the point where I didn’t want to shoot in front of others because my focus was on worrying if I would embarrass myself or not, instead of focusing on the steps of making a good shot. Okay, that’s the background, now about how I changed my technique with some guidance from a friend. I basically changed to much the way Clay shoots...my feet are pointing 90 degrees from the target. No longer quartering towards it. My bow arm, anchor point, shoulders, all in line. One of my mental focuses is that my right elbow is rotated back and in line. I also changed from a split finger hold, to three fingers under the nock. I also tube shoot (no slight intended...I use the end of my arrow as an aiming point). I bow hunt for white tail, and always from a tree stand. If the shot is very close and at a steep angle, I fudge and look down the length of the arrow aligning it visually for a vital shot...difficult to describe. I don’t cant the bow anymore, which is where I differ from Clay. As to the mental steps of shooting that this video speaks too, I know there is positive benefit to first answering the visual on target question, then addressing the final release process separately. I have lived traditional archery for so long, and have struggled with bad technique, to know good advice when I hear it. I don’t think the brain is good at multi-tasking where archery is concerned. I was guilty of answering the mental visual question of being on target, with an instant release! Usually with poor follow-through, sometimes plucking the string sideways which was easy with my out of alignment stance. Now, even if I screw up and don’t reach anchor, releasing prematurely, I’m usually still in there pretty good due to proper alignment. If you want to study good technique, watch some Olympic shooters on UA-cam. That’s basically how I try to shoot style wise, and it does work from a tree stand.
I think you could add the idea of shooting maturity. It’s when you mature that you seek the answer. I have been shooting traditional since my last deployment as a way to help with the emotional difficulties from multiple deployments. So I started just hoping to get better but then I happened onto others that talk about Joel and others but it’s only now I understand that I do have target panic and to put it into words. I am working on decisions rather than reactions. I am able now to be pretty accurate out to 25 yards but now I am having a block at 30 yards so it’s now back to fundamentals of making decisions rather than fearing the distance. Seems as though “ shooting discipline “ is very appropriate as it takes discipline to master yourself.
This is heavy duty stuff...about as Zen (or perhaps "Stoic") as it gets. I especially like the final quotes, "hope is not a plan...hope has zero power." I see broad application of this philosophy that goes way beyond archery and target acquisition. I will apply it to my archery, but will also keep it in mind throughout my day in all that I do. Learning to "pause"...long enough to make a decision...requires patience. "Patience" is something we sorely lack in our society. Thanks guys for the thoughtful...and useful...material.
Joel Turner seems to know what he's talking about. After shooting instinctively for years I have many really bad days, so I`m going to his page after. Interesting setup with left risers and thumb draw. Great video. Now to Joel`s page ..
25:40 QUESTION: if he's firing when the bubble pops in his mouth, surely that is a conscious decision, and therefore not a surprise break? then why doesn't his subconscious also have time to brace for impact? Or has he taught his release to be completely automatic on the bubble pop, and therefore fast enough to avoid pre-ignition movements?
Clay, I wanted to thank you man. Your videos have helped me tremendously. My shot placement and my groups have tightened up significantly by just watching two of your videos. Thank you!
hes shooting with thumb draw and on the right side of the bow, super prevalent in Asian/East Asian and eastern european cultures and ancient societies. Really cool that the instructor is using that technique. I am trying to learn it. I have seen several videos of modern archers comenting on how strange it feels but also being amazed at how the technique works. Thumb draw and shooting on the right side of the bow offers several advantages not found in modern Mediterranean style of archery with the 3 finger draw and shooting from the left of the bow. This guy could basically do horse archery if he wanted to or probably already knows how. The thumb draw and shooting from the right side of the bow is also how genghis khan and the mongolians shot their bows.
Archers! Watch this post and listen carefully to this instructor. The points that he is making worked for me and NOTHING works for me!! I also found that practicing with one arrow forces an archer to think through the whole shot sequence all the way to the release. Did you pluck left or right? Did you pull straight back to get a HIT ? Enjoy!
Awesome content....i shoot a hinge with a compound and a clicker with stickbow. It's a unreal feeling of freedom from target panic. A surprise shot is the only way.
I have been thinking of getting a left hand Bow Like Joel, the thumb release works perfectly with the arrow on the left hand side of the bow, the arrow is naturally torqued on to the bow by the forefinger.
Thanks for this. It's great to see a good shooter admit to needing help. I really appreciate Joel's scientific approach, which is something I can relate to. Again, just thanks for this and your other vids, been really helpful as I enter my first trad season and second ever hunting season.
What a great video. I definitely need to take his course for compound bows. Even though I recently upgraded my bow from a 06 PSE to a 2020 PRIME Black 3, I am still about 50-75% on my shots, especially at 35+ yards. I shoot every weekend but still the same results. I eventually will get into the traditional bow game 🏹🦌
I shot instinctively when I first got into bow hunting many years ago. I developed Target Panic on an EPIC scale! I was able to draw the bow with no arrow on it and hold it at my anchor point no problem. But if there was an arrow on it… I had to release that arrow 4 or 5 inches before it even reached my knocking point. It was terrible! No matter how hard I tried to focus, I just couldn’t cure that ailment!! The ONLY thing that cured my problem was going to a mechanical release. Once a shot mechanical for a while.... then I was able to switch back to fingers. Target panic can be extremely frustrating!!
Lol! When the guys says when you get pissed off enough to change! That's me on every shot! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm trying to change my whole shot cycle less than a month before deer season just because I'm not happy with my shot.
I think the mechanics of me executing my shot needs practice. I need to practice that specific motion. I will build time in my practice just to practice execution in a way that doesn't demand that I get a perfect impact. Then test it at different distances. This is a good video for me to review before I practice. Thanks for making it.
Very interesting video. I very much come from the grip it and rip it camp. I took to Traditional Archery very naturally. Over 40 years of hunting Trad Equipment. Won tournaments, took game. Just recently I decided to shoot a more controlled shot. No question that controlled Dan is more accurate than instinctive Dan. I am even toying with a lefty riser and thumb shooting. It is a different sight picture. My grandkids have started shooting their Turkish bows like that...instant improvement for them. Not sure I will hunt with Joel's wrong-handed bow this fall but, I am determined to release a more controlled shot.
I think why I really like stickbows are the instinctive factor. And I dont mean this by just shooting randomly. I have played basketball in my youth, for a fairly high level. And shooting a bow is just like making a free-shot. I used to train free-shooting alot, since I was the big corner. Pretty much my job was either re-bounds or getting a shot out and getting hit in the hands and alas. Free- shots. The sequence in bowshooting is exactly the same. I have not been as mindfull as you guys are. But it is so much similiar. You clear you mind and you have the exact same positioning and movement. So much that everything is already premeditated to make everything the same. Everytime. And if you miss, well sucks to be you. Its pretty much the same with arrows. I could average well above 8/10 of free shots. Now I am happy if I can hit a barn door. Ok lets be honest here. The barn door is already full of little holes, inserts and field tips :D
Great stuff as always! Your videos have really helped to bring my form together and I like the way that you (and Joel) break stuff down for your viewers. Knowing why is a big help in making that decision to execute. Thanks for the content and keep up the good work sir!
I close my eyes as soon as I hit anchor...then open.. it stops the trigger.. now I can hold on spot for minutes at a time... Bow weight 55lb and a black widow 53.. elk and mule deer every year.. Zero problems
For me I overcame target panic by telling myself "I can't shoot, I can't shoot" and unwinding the shot few times before actually shooting. Full draw, good aim, breaking the shot, repeat.
Very new to archery Clay but found this fascinating, been subcribed for a while. In the UK we can not hunt game like you can, we've not much anyway !, but really enjoy you videos. This one with Joel was especially interesting to me. Thank you.
Just spent the morning shooting with these princeples as a priority. Learned two things. I flinch out not in and it was causing my arrow to fly wide left and low as I would drop my bow arm out of the way while I release. This is my reaction to bows in the past( always had shot someone else's this is my first bow. Groves Spitfire) that had not been braced properly ( or maybe they were)slapping me. So long as I focus on not contaminating my release I am Gucci. Second, If I attempt to use my own nervous system to activate a release like Joe does with the popping bubble buzzer my shots are not clean. I guess maybe a light chain clicker would work but I feel like it is a distraction to me and has caused more misses than hits. This could be the learning curve but to me the shot does not feel right at all. I understand the points your making and believe the science behind it 💯 and will most definitely be aware of your lesson and will keep it in my index for the rest of the journey.
@@clayhayeshunter Yes it is, it really unique but I am sure if it works for Joel it got to be works for everyone too, need a practice for sure. Its perfect because that way I can use different equipment now.
@@markdrexler382 you create a pocket of air between tounge and the roof of your mouth. And put a pressure slowly with your tongue upward until it pop. For me its better to create the bubble of around 6-8 mm diameter maybe. If it is too big it will sound like a fart 😅
Hi Clay, Very interesting discussion. Joel is a great tutor. One thing new to me was the mention of a "Grip sear"(?). What is it? Mentioned a few times but I have never come across it before. Cheers, L.
My greatest challenge comes when shooting a live animal. Mild target panic turns severe. All anticipating the shot opportunity disappearing. I always expect the animal to move or react and lose my chance so it’s a rush. I feel like I can’t get the arrow off fast enough. I’ve built up a memory to draw, anchor and aim correctly but the second I’m aimed I just throw it all to chance and send the arrow. I will whole heartedly admit to target panic.
I shoot compound with a mechanical release. I recently discovered that I was putting my trigger finger at the far end of the trigger to control the exact moment of release. I moved my finger so that I had less leverage on the trigger and it has made it much harder to predict the moment of release.
I have found that when my ritual starts to become automatic, if I swap bows it helps to reset. I go between primative flatbow & recurve. My indicator is when I can't hold to shoot a 30 yard target.
Great stuff! I just found your channel. I've made a couple views and always loved archery but Quito and family never take the time to enjoy it. I also day trade stocks. Tell Joel this is amazingly great advice for day trading. I will try this today in my trading. Love your channel
In my quest to conquer target panic i kept increasing draw weight (i shoot recurve) and found an 83 lb Silvertip bow made by Paul Schaefer . Helped cure my target panic but a little hard on my tips and I get tired alittle over half way through a 3d target match and accuracy suffers .
I haven’t had a chance to watch this all yet but I just wanted to get an early thanks in because I really appreciate you tackling this topic Clay - you are a star! I hope it is going to help me kick the TP monster for good this time.
Target panic is real. I plateaued after about a year, placed in tourneys regularly and suffered a slow decay over the last ten years. Never could shake it. No amount of practice helped.
I was taught to hold for 1, 2, 3 then shoot. Sometimes I hold for 5 seconds but that is if I did not do the draw right the first time and I ham moving about.
I find that like playing guitar, or martial arts, or power lifting, or anything for that matter, ones coaching to another will only help so far, disciplined action of persistent schedules are the only true way to get good at something, basically get up no matter how good or bad you feel and get hands on with what it is you want to be good at, make mistakes to learn what not to do and emulate the good to the best of your ability
This helped explain some of my grouping issues! I found that if I practice with just one arrow I slow down and concentrate more. When I practice with a quiver full I don't always go through the mechanics. With one arrow I walk up and back from the target and try recognize what I did or didn't do right with that shot. And that has helped with my target panic especially when it time to fling broad heads. Good luck this year hope y'all fill up your freezers!
Same here. Also I don't shoot bails but a hanging blanket. This helps me train my eyes to read the arrow in flight instead of relying on shaft position in or through a target. If can get your eyes to watch the arrow in flight you will need less gear to get better.
Sounds interesting, might try and follow this. I have a problem where I release the arrow too early. Like I just draw to my anchor point, aim for like 2 seconds, and release. I don't think that's right, so I'm trying to make myself aim for 5 seconds to get better shots
I almost gave up on traditional archery today due to target panic. I then stumbled on this video and it gave me hope. This is EXACTLY what I needed. Who would have thought it would be so simple?!?!?! I grabbed my bow, and did EXACTLY what you and Joel said to do. I cannot thank you two enough!!! My shooting has improved TREMENDOUSLY!!! I'm no longer struggling to get that shot up on target!!!
Hey Clay, I want you to know that this video changed my archery experience! I was in a slump and had plateaued. I was frustrated. Then I watched this video. I studied and rewatched it twice for good measure. Then I took careful notes on it.
Then, I applied the advice and techniques that you and Joel offered. And my shots increased and my placement improved! I can't tell you how happy this makes me.! Thank you both! (P.S. I watch all your other videos too on archery. You rock Clay and keep up the good work brother!.)
This is such a wonderful resource. I've been shooting about 20 years and I like to think im a pretty decent shot but every now and then I hit a distance or a shot that kind of gets to me a bit. This is a game changer for me thank you so much guys, great work!
Okay a week after watching... This is the most impactful information I've taken in about archery. I'm still quite new but I can see how I was already hitting a plateau. Now.. hahaha.. everytime I go to release my shot I calm myself down and remind "everyone" im the boss here. Results speak for themselves, it's pretty impressive. And I can see how that mentality already translates to other areas of my life, allowing me to remain calm under pressure and take clear decisive action.
Thank you both so much!
I use a similar release.
1st take a deep breath as I draw, and on a slow exhale I aquire the target and at the end of the exhale I release.
I find that this relaxes me, and keeps me from hovering (getting the figure 8).
I read this this morning and this afternoon I gave it a try. I only shot 30 arrows, but, it was starting to work quite well. Thanks
I'm new to archery(few months)and this video is absolutely perfect. It gives the information you need and brings up things that... really not a lot of people even begin to think about. Simple and solid editing that keeps it interesting without cutting out important details.
The part about talking yourself through the steps after you already take aim is something I will definitely pay attention to next time I shoot. Thanks for the in-depth vid!
I took a break from shooting traditional about three years because of target panic, no matter how much I tried it came out in different ways and finally the other day at a friend's house I picked up their 25 pound recurve and said ok hopefully all my bad shooting habits are gone and I focused completely on aim and release and sank 5 arrows into a 4 inch group for the first time in years. Awesome feeling getting through that target panic. Just had to be deliberate about getting over it like he said.
I suffered from target panic when I was about 13 and stopped shooting as I didn't know how to get past it, now I'm 50 and after a few good years shooting the dreaded symptoms started to return. I followed Joel's instruction and practised my internal monologue and after 1 hour I've got control back shooting at around 10 metres. I'm going to keep working on it but just wanted to thank you both.
This guy is great , but I also read ( idiot proof Archery ) and did as it instructed and it helped me greatly , his explanation and cure is guaranteed to cure it it you actually follow through with it.
Joel has truly advanced the target panic issue. Staying on the back end of the shot & not aiming is the key for me. His teachings & Terry Wunderle have helped me the most.
I don't know what you all are afraid of the target for it never made any sense to me
@ Mike you probably swing draw right? Lol
I don't know why I keep watching these videos.... I don't even have a bow 😂
Time to get one
Buy one..
GO GET ONE!
Because the fundamentals of what Joel teaches can be carried into all aspects of life. Determination, decision making and following through.
@@jasonbennett60 Exactly!!
I highly recommend Joel's course. Way better than the next bow you're going to buy.
It's so easy to hear this, and process it, and understand it and evaluate it and what I'm doing wrong. I've watched this so many times but.......It's very very hard to practice it.
it's a mental thing.
I mastered target panic by shooting in loud situations, I’d shoot my bow while others were shooting 12 gauges at clays , really helped me stay calm in other situations, so once it was quiet like it is in the woods it was a breath of fresh air and shooting was so much easier , one thing I’ll never control is the mini heart attack when a nice whitetail buck walks in lol
There's a small archery range in my town right on a busy road. Between the constant passenger vechicles, big city trucks, and the occasional person who wants to yell stupid shit while I'm aiming, you've given me a new perspective on it all!
@@pony3284 yep , being able to tune all that out is massively helpful , so I figured I’d try to do it with the most sudden and loud noise I could be around which is a 12g going off 15 feet behind you lol , being able to not jump or flinch when someone shoots unexpectedly has really made me focus on my shot and only my shot. Although my friends do look at me weird when their blowing up clay birds having a blast and I’m shooting a recurve by myself 😂
Wow...that's a really good idea.
I'm seriously gonna start doing that now.
I don't even have too many problems with target panic but that just sounds like a really good way to train🤷♂️
You might be a genius.
@@KorokHaze93 target panic was my biggest problem when I was a kid learning how to hunt , I felt like I was calm, and thought I really was but when the time came to let an arrow fly I’d shortly find out I was aiming at the deer in general rather than a small spot. I did everything imaginable and couldn’t beat it til I tried this. Then all the sudden my arrows started going where I wanted them to! Happy hunting and hope this idea can help ya even a little bit!
@@bradboisseau749 yeah happy hunting brother I appreciate your help
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Fred Bear talked about target panic in some of his videos. He said it took him three years to come up with a technique of aiming to at least deal with target panic, if not to overcome it. He also admitted that his style of shooting was not what he would recommend others to emulate. Shooting stationary targets that never move is good for consistent form and accuracy practice, but... snap shooting can have merit under some hunting situations where there is only a few seconds to come to full draw, ANCHOR, and make the shot to harvest an animal. Fred said that if he came to full draw and tried to hold it, he would lose concentration. His style was aiming DURING the draw, and releasing instantly when he came to anchor. Coming to a consistent anchor is one of the main points for accuracy and he understood that.
Hi guys, a big thank you for your work, I don't speak perfect English, but what I could understand and from my own experience, I describe 4 essential sequences to take place during the shooting with a notable point before any intension of shooting, namely a detachment of the mind from a target or an animal in the hunt, try to appeal as little as possible to emotionel (on a type of shooting consciously constructed without intinctive) so as to unfold the most pragmatically shooting, here is a little summary of what I could learn with practice and your precious tutorials
The first step is the position:
The body is straight flexible and the head naturally turns towards the target.
Cock the bow in line with the bow wrist and the string wrist well in line with each other to avoid any vibration when the release occurs.
Projecting the front shoulder in the axis when you arm the bow and the lowest possible .
Arm the bow with the dorsals with the most flexible string arm possible.
Anchor the hand on the face strong enough to gain stability with still the hooked but flexible rope fingers, subtly feel the tension of the rope under these fingers and on his back.
Raise your elbow
Prepare for the second sequence
Second Sequences:
Alignment of the rope along the length of the arrow.
To aim
Quick check of the alignment of both hands
Prepare for the third sequence, always so pragmatic
Third sequences:
Build, build back tension, feel your back tighten with a refinement of the aim until the moment of the release!
Fourth sequences:
Read the trajectory of the arrow to the target!
From that moment I think that we can let go and build the emotion!
Having practiced instinctive shooting for many years with sawtooth results, it is very gratifying today to be able to progress and partly control your shooting and therefore your mind!
Good arrows!
Greg
As a beginner well, actually a restarter, this is the best video I have seen very long time thank you gentlemen for sharing your inner most fundamental skill set the world!
Thank You, Thank You Thank You! This video has helped me tremendously, target panic was a huge problem for me for months. The simple process of making a conscious decision helped. My shooting improved so much in less then one week. Both you and Joel really broke it down and simplified my shooting. Keep up the videos.
Shot ibo for yr.s ,us 3di team in Geneva Italy never could understand target panic until last yr. It happened. 15 yard blank bale and worked through it. A lot of good info here great job!
Right at 12 minutes is where Joel nailed my issues. "The aim cannot be the trigger of my shot."
He's putting it in easy to understand terms. I taught myself these steps just last year 15 years after starting archery in my life and I know exactly where he's coming from. Haven't mastered it, I still faulter more than I'd like, but when everything is fully conscious in your shot and follow through you shoot best.
One drill that helped me may sound weird but it just works. And that's drawing and aiming, but never actually releasing the arrow. You tell yourself before you draw that you're only going to aim and never release, and instead of releasing the arrow, tell just yourself when it's time to release, it puts things into really clear perspective, you then collapse your draw and lower the bow, arrow still on the string. Something about not knowing the release is actually coming really puts your mind at ease and allows you to grasp all the fine details of aiming and what it's all about. I still do this drill occasionally.
I should add that another thing that really helped me was just switching to three under, with split the tip of the arrow is basically in your bottom peripheral vision, much harder to notice it and easier to start forgetting.
As a new archer and soon to be bowhunter I have been practicing 1-3 hrs a day, every day for the last month. I watched this video about 2 weeks ago and so glad I did. Even though I didn't really understand what you guys were talking about I immediately went out and purchased myself a clicker and started focusing on separating my jobs and getting my subconscious out of the way. I am now shooting a 6 inch plate all day from 10 yards and my shots are now consistently on target at 30+ yards. The results are one thing but the feeling I get now by shooting in this structured way is even better. Thank you so much for sharing this information, I know for a fact without it I would likely have spent years to learn what I have learned in weeks.
Good for you Ara!
I watch this video yesterday. Went out and shot my recurve right after and it really did help. I was releasing the arrow as soon I was aimed. I aim then told myself to shoot. I was surprised in how much it helped. I've been shooting and hunting with traditional archery since 2005. I've hit a plateau the last few years. I'm hoping this will help. Thanks again for another great video
For years I have found myself naturally settling my aim about 4 inches below where it should be and then struggling to move it up and release at the same time to hit the intended point. Am I the only one that does this? Recently I have found that if I simply practice coming to full draw, aim, and hold it, all the while knowing I am not going to shoot, I can hold it on target for a long time. This made me realize it is totally a mental thing and I have to be determined to get on target as soon as I'm at full draw and hold it there instead of 4 inches low. This video makes A LOT of sense and was very helpful! Will be watching it a few more times and making it a habit!
Good for you Amy
I do the exact same thing. I always draw low and come up to target and get stuck ever time about 4 inches under it. Then I have to jump it up and release to hit where I'm aiming. I gotta get out of it that's why I'm watching this video.
I am very impressed with this mind set. This is certainly more than just Archery
Love it!! Those were my thoughts exactly. Now I know why Zen monks practice archery. It's deep!
Great info! Has anyone told him his suspenders are on backwards.
No, they aren't. That's a set of Hikers suspenders....designed that way.
Same as his bow, really..
Ebbe Fink Andersen looks like he’s using a thumb release, so you’d want arrow on right side
I was just being cheeky let’s not over react. I love this channel. Just forget people don’t have a sense of humor anymore
@@ebbefinkandersen5177 lmao
Great video guys, now if I could make myself do it. I have shot Traditional for around 55 years now. Shot split finger snap shooting until a couple years ago and done pretty good. The last two years have been shooting three under with a point on style it suits me fine for hunting but I haven't been able to finish it out like I see here. Thanks again for the video.
This same mentality is applied to close quarters combat rifle training. Slow is smooth..smooth is fast. The repetition of humble introspective mindset,fundamentals,muscle memory and finally subconsciously performing under pressure is a beautiful art of the human design.
agreed
Thank you...this is the biggest problem I face is to be perfectly on target and then miss. I thought it was aim anxiety but now know different. My target panic was having me tighten my bow hand (torquing my bow) and moving the bow after release (wanting shot to end) before arrow was in target. Amazing improvement in accuracy once I realized this.
That part at 8:26 hit home for me. When I started shooting archery seriously in my mid 20s that first year was just a landslide of progress. I became one of the better shooters I know, out of a lot of hardcore longtime hunters, within 6 months from taking 150-200 shots a week in the backyard. From the end of that first year until now? I don't know that i've made any real improvements. I'm still just a slightly above average shooter. Time to make changes.
So much wisdom and help and common sense and goodness in these videos. Thank you soooooo much.
I just want to say this really has helped me with my target panic. Mine was horrible. It was so bad recently after shooting a 3D course, it made me want to put down the trad bow altogether. I could not even get to anchor before letting one fly. It's still a battle, but I'm improving every time I shoot. My grouping has dramatically improved in consistency as well. Thanks for this video.
This is yet another example of how powerful the process of “think, speak, act” is. Each part of the process builds into the next. This is why words and thoughts are powerful, because the rest of the process is always at the very least acknowledged.
Crazy cus I’m a beginner but I naturally built a lot of these habits after my initial lessons..I always take a second and say, “let’s go motha fuckah”, or “here we go”, to myself as I focus on stillness and release(and try not to affect my set up by releasing), sometimes I even whisper it, then I exhale and as soon as my exhale makes me still I release. And I continued to do it cus it always felt like those were my good shots, so I did it almost superstitiously until I saw this and made the connection.
Thanks a bunch for this video. It helped a lot. I've been shooting for over thirty years and finally got it.
I did a practice using "Here I Go" as a mantra to repeat and scored a personal best on a vegas small-ten face. This was only practice and when I took it onto the field course with someone else of comparable skill, I lost focus a few times. By making this process of aiming then transitioning to shot execution and not going back to the aiming stage I think I will improve and be able to take this skill into a competition. I think this will help me under pressure and enjoy competition more.
It sure helps me.
Bowhunting and shooting my bow has been a passion since I was 11 years old. Target panic has been my nemesis that entire time. There have been times when I got so frustrated that I no longer enjoyed shooting. It literally makes me sad to think about how much joy it has sucked out my shooting and hunting. I don't enjoy shooting 3D with friends at all, I could never shoot competitively, and I've been the person Joel talks about, where I've actually been relieved to not have that buck present a shot, for fear that I'd blow it.
I Bought Joel's DVD about 10 years ago, and I've read a book on the subject. I have times where I get it under control, and in those times, I feel like I'm invincible.
I'm going to buy the course, because it sounds like he's got what I desperately need.
I wish you the best. I know how frustrating it can be.
I have target panic with everything I shoot. I really hope this information will help me. Thanks a lot.
I’ve been shooting traditional archery for nearly 40 years. Much of that time I struggled with target panic. About the last four years it has been much improved, but I won’t say I’ve completely beat it. It took a complete technique change to realize the improvement.
What changes did you make?
I used to have what I can only describe as a quartering toward the target stance. This stance created a triangle between my hand holding the bow, the shoulder of my arm holding the bow, and my anchor which was middle finger corner of my mouth with the tip of my nose touching the string. I also had a pretty heavy cant with my bow. Being right handed, that stance tried to pull my bow arm to the right at full draw because my anchor point was not in line with my bow arm(left arm). I was actually fighting to keep that left arm solid at draw, and sometimes would collapse at release hitting way right of intended target. I also double-clutched a lot when my brain was telling me to release, and also telling me I wasn’t ready at the same time. Quite the mental struggle. I also was trying to shoot instinctive. It got to the point where I didn’t want to shoot in front of others because my focus was on worrying if I would embarrass myself or not, instead of focusing on the steps of making a good shot. Okay, that’s the background, now about how I changed my technique with some guidance from a friend. I basically changed to much the way Clay shoots...my feet are pointing 90 degrees from the target. No longer quartering towards it. My bow arm, anchor point, shoulders, all in line. One of my mental focuses is that my right elbow is rotated back and in line. I also changed from a split finger hold, to three fingers under the nock. I also tube shoot (no slight intended...I use the end of my arrow as an aiming point). I bow hunt for white tail, and always from a tree stand. If the shot is very close and at a steep angle, I fudge and look down the length of the arrow aligning it visually for a vital shot...difficult to describe. I don’t cant the bow anymore, which is where I differ from Clay. As to the mental steps of shooting that this video speaks too, I know there is positive benefit to first answering the visual on target question, then addressing the final release process separately. I have lived traditional archery for so long, and have struggled with bad technique, to know good advice when I hear it. I don’t think the brain is good at multi-tasking where archery is concerned. I was guilty of answering the mental visual question of being on target, with an instant release! Usually with poor follow-through, sometimes plucking the string sideways which was easy with my out of alignment stance. Now, even if I screw up and don’t reach anchor, releasing prematurely, I’m usually still in there pretty good due to proper alignment. If you want to study good technique, watch some Olympic shooters on UA-cam. That’s basically how I try to shoot style wise, and it does work from a tree stand.
@@gregbagwell5543 great response! Sounds like you've been through quite the journey! I'll take your words to heart. Thanks for your time.
I think you could add the idea of shooting maturity. It’s when you mature that you seek the answer. I have been shooting traditional since my last deployment as a way to help with the emotional difficulties from multiple deployments. So I started just hoping to get better but then I happened onto others that talk about Joel and others but it’s only now I understand that I do have target panic and to put it into words. I am working on decisions rather than reactions. I am able now to be pretty accurate out to 25 yards but now I am having a block at 30 yards so it’s now back to fundamentals of making decisions rather than fearing the distance. Seems as though “ shooting discipline “ is very appropriate as it takes discipline to master yourself.
great point
Beautiful!!! Goes way beyond archery, doesn't it!
Let the storm pass! Oh man. That's what I've been missing on my shot process. Thanks Joel and Clay.
"Let the storm pass!" That's pretty deep stuff, isn't it!
This is heavy duty stuff...about as Zen (or perhaps "Stoic") as it gets. I especially like the final quotes, "hope is not a plan...hope has zero power." I see broad application of this philosophy that goes way beyond archery and target acquisition. I will apply it to my archery, but will also keep it in mind throughout my day in all that I do. Learning to "pause"...long enough to make a decision...requires patience. "Patience" is something we sorely lack in our society. Thanks guys for the thoughtful...and useful...material.
Those are all concepts we could all benefit from!
Joel is absolute legend. To say his brain is gold doesn’t put a high enough value on it.
Joel Turner seems to know what he's talking about. After shooting instinctively for years I have many really bad days, so I`m going to his page after. Interesting setup with left risers and thumb draw. Great video. Now to Joel`s page ..
25:40 QUESTION: if he's firing when the bubble pops in his mouth, surely that is a conscious decision, and therefore not a surprise break? then why doesn't his subconscious also have time to brace for impact? Or has he taught his release to be completely automatic on the bubble pop, and therefore fast enough to avoid pre-ignition movements?
Clay, I wanted to thank you man. Your videos have helped me tremendously. My shot placement and my groups have tightened up significantly by just watching two of your videos. Thank you!
Fantastic!
hes shooting with thumb draw and on the right side of the bow, super prevalent in Asian/East Asian and eastern european cultures and ancient societies. Really cool that the instructor is using that technique. I am trying to learn it. I have seen several videos of modern archers comenting on how strange it feels but also being amazed at how the technique works. Thumb draw and shooting on the right side of the bow offers several advantages not found in modern Mediterranean style of archery with the 3 finger draw and shooting from the left of the bow. This guy could basically do horse archery if he wanted to or probably already knows how. The thumb draw and shooting from the right side of the bow is also how genghis khan and the mongolians shot their bows.
One of, if not the best video on this subject I have seen. I shoot slingshot a lot and the same rules apply.
Very cool!
This is a great lesson as it can be applied to a lot of other aspects of my day to day life. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks!
Thanks Mike
WOWZEEE......this was amazing. Thank's guy's I wholeheartedly appreciate this!
Archers!
Watch this post and listen carefully to this instructor. The points that he is making worked for me and NOTHING works for me!! I also found that practicing with one arrow forces an archer to think through the whole shot sequence all the way to the release.
Did you pluck left or right? Did you pull straight back to get a HIT ? Enjoy!
Awesome content....i shoot a hinge with a compound and a clicker with stickbow. It's a unreal feeling of freedom from target panic. A surprise shot is the only way.
A lot of information to digest. Need to watch a couple times.
It took me a good year to understand and integrate Joel's course
Yep ur right
I have been thinking of getting a left hand Bow Like Joel, the thumb release works perfectly with the arrow on the left hand side of the bow, the arrow is naturally torqued on to the bow by the forefinger.
Thanks for this. It's great to see a good shooter admit to needing help. I really appreciate Joel's scientific approach, which is something I can relate to. Again, just thanks for this and your other vids, been really helpful as I enter my first trad season and second ever hunting season.
Glad to help!
One of the best series I have ever seen. Well done
Thanks Richard
What a great video. I definitely need to take his course for compound bows. Even though I recently upgraded my bow from a 06 PSE to a 2020 PRIME Black 3, I am still about 50-75% on my shots, especially at 35+ yards. I shoot every weekend but still the same results.
I eventually will get into the traditional bow game 🏹🦌
Maybe the best video on UA-cam about this! I have to rethink all my shooting...
did I make the hit, or plain luck. Thank you very much🙏👍👍👍
Good stuff!
Well explained, kind of the same theory as precision rifle.
I shot instinctively when I first got into bow hunting many years ago. I developed Target Panic on an EPIC scale! I was able to draw the bow with no arrow on it and hold it at my anchor point no problem. But if there was an arrow on it… I had to release that arrow 4 or 5 inches before it even reached my knocking point. It was terrible! No matter how hard I tried to focus, I just couldn’t cure that ailment!! The ONLY thing that cured my problem was going to a mechanical release. Once a shot mechanical for a while.... then I was able to switch back to fingers. Target panic can be extremely frustrating!!
Thank you for the help!
Freaking brilliant 👏 That critical second gets me. It has owned me. F TURNER...I can't wait to take his course.
Lol!
When the guys says when you get pissed off enough to change!
That's me on every shot!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm trying to change my whole shot cycle less than a month before deer season just because I'm not happy with my shot.
I think the mechanics of me executing my shot needs practice. I need to practice that specific motion. I will build time in my practice just to practice execution in a way that doesn't demand that I get a perfect impact. Then test it at different distances. This is a good video for me to review before I practice. Thanks for making it.
Very interesting video. I very much come from the grip it and rip it camp. I took to Traditional Archery very naturally. Over 40 years of hunting Trad Equipment. Won tournaments, took game. Just recently I decided to shoot a more controlled shot. No question that controlled Dan is more accurate than instinctive Dan. I am even toying with a lefty riser and thumb shooting. It is a different sight picture. My grandkids have started shooting their Turkish bows like that...instant improvement for them. Not sure I will hunt with Joel's wrong-handed bow this fall but, I am determined to release a more controlled shot.
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@@clayhayeshunter In that one video probably shot the same day he challenged you to try lefty riser. Did you ever try it?
I think why I really like stickbows are the instinctive factor. And I dont mean this by just shooting randomly. I have played basketball in my youth, for a fairly high level. And shooting a bow is just like making a free-shot. I used to train free-shooting alot, since I was the big corner. Pretty much my job was either re-bounds or getting a shot out and getting hit in the hands and alas. Free- shots. The sequence in bowshooting is exactly the same. I have not been as mindfull as you guys are. But it is so much similiar. You clear you mind and you have the exact same positioning and movement. So much that everything is already premeditated to make everything the same. Everytime. And if you miss, well sucks to be you. Its pretty much the same with arrows. I could average well above 8/10 of free shots. Now I am happy if I can hit a barn door. Ok lets be honest here. The barn door is already full of little holes, inserts and field tips :D
The art of archery. It is an excellent sport.
Two of the best. Learned a ton
Thank you for this Video. I helps a lot of people around the world who fight with TP. Greetings from Germny
Our pleasure!
Great stuff as always! Your videos have really helped to bring my form together and I like the way that you (and Joel) break stuff down for your viewers. Knowing why is a big help in making that decision to execute. Thanks for the content and keep up the good work sir!
Glad you like them!
I close my eyes as soon as I hit anchor...then open.. it stops the trigger.. now I can hold on spot for minutes at a time... Bow weight 55lb and a black widow 53.. elk and mule deer every year..
Zero problems
Amazing I appreciate all your videos they have helped me a ton thanks a lot
For me I overcame target panic by telling myself "I can't shoot, I can't shoot" and unwinding the shot few times before actually shooting. Full draw, good aim, breaking the shot, repeat.
omg I do exact what he said. The kick fire at the beginning
Fantastic video Clay!
Glad you enjoyed it
Very new to archery Clay but found this fascinating, been subcribed for a while. In the UK we can not hunt game like you can, we've not much anyway !, but really enjoy you videos. This one with Joel was especially interesting to me. Thank you.
Thanks Jeremy
Awesome show!
When I'm having a Shocka I grab a Compound.
Unreal tips.
Learnings from decades put into few minutes, will take a while to fully digest, thank you 🙏🏻 I‘ll buy you a belt for this 😉
Just spent the morning shooting with these princeples as a priority. Learned two things. I flinch out not in and it was causing my arrow to fly wide left and low as I would drop my bow arm out of the way while I release. This is my reaction to bows in the past( always had shot someone else's this is my first bow. Groves Spitfire) that had not been braced properly ( or maybe they were)slapping me. So long as I focus on not contaminating my release I am Gucci. Second, If I attempt to use my own nervous system to activate a release like Joe does with the popping bubble buzzer my shots are not clean. I guess maybe a light chain clicker would work but I feel like it is a distraction to me and has caused more misses than hits. This could be the learning curve but to me the shot does not feel right at all. I understand the points your making and believe the science behind it 💯 and will most definitely be aware of your lesson and will keep it in my index for the rest of the journey.
Nice. I am practicing the pocket of air technique now.
it takes some getting used to!
@@clayhayeshunter Yes it is, it really unique but I am sure if it works for Joel it got to be works for everyone too, need a practice for sure. Its perfect because that way I can use different equipment now.
Can you describe how to do this technique? I’m having trouble understanding it
@@markdrexler382 you create a pocket of air between tounge and the roof of your mouth. And put a pressure slowly with your tongue upward until it pop. For me its better to create the bubble of around 6-8 mm diameter maybe. If it is too big it will sound like a fart 😅
Ulung Prabowo I’ll try practicing this . Thank you for your help
As a long term archer this seems a very good video. Bbbbut can I pull it off? Yeah exactly, I'll pull it OFF! Probably a foot at thirty yards.
Hi Clay,
Very interesting discussion. Joel is a great tutor. One thing new to me was the mention of a "Grip sear"(?). What is it? Mentioned a few times but I have never come across it before. Cheers, L.
My greatest challenge comes when shooting a live animal. Mild target panic turns severe. All anticipating the shot opportunity disappearing. I always expect the animal to move or react and lose my chance so it’s a rush. I feel like I can’t get the arrow off fast enough. I’ve built up a memory to draw, anchor and aim correctly but the second I’m aimed I just throw it all to chance and send the arrow. I will whole heartedly admit to target panic.
Such an excellent video, well explained, thanks for sharing your experience with us
I shoot compound with a mechanical release. I recently discovered that I was putting my trigger finger at the far end of the trigger to control the exact moment of release. I moved my finger so that I had less leverage on the trigger and it has made it much harder to predict the moment of release.
Good for you Trent
I have found that when my ritual starts to become automatic, if I swap bows it helps to reset. I go between primative flatbow & recurve.
My indicator is when I can't hold to shoot a 30 yard target.
Great stuff! I just found your channel. I've made a couple views and always loved archery but Quito and family never take the time to enjoy it. I also day trade stocks.
Tell Joel this is amazingly great advice for day trading. I will try this today in my trading.
Love your channel
In my quest to conquer target panic i kept increasing draw weight (i shoot recurve) and found an 83 lb Silvertip bow made by Paul Schaefer . Helped cure my target panic but a little hard on my tips and I get tired alittle over half way through a 3d target match and accuracy suffers .
This is going to improve my shooting.
I haven’t had a chance to watch this all yet but I just wanted to get an early thanks in because I really appreciate you tackling this topic Clay - you are a star! I hope it is going to help me kick the TP monster for good this time.
Make it happen!
No matter what!
Been waiting for this one. It did not disappoint. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Target panic is real. I plateaued after about a year, placed in tourneys regularly and suffered a slow decay over the last ten years. Never could shake it. No amount of practice helped.
I was taught to hold for 1, 2, 3 then shoot. Sometimes I hold for 5 seconds but that is if I did not do the draw right the first time and I ham moving about.
That rattle snake backed bow is legit af.
Do you have a preference of longbow over recurve? Which one would you suggest for a progressing compound hunter?
Love both these guys great video
Great Video Clay and Joel! EVERY Traditional Archer can learn something from this Video! By The way what kind of Hybrid Longbow is Joel Shooting?
Hey Thomas, you’ll have to drop Joel a note for that.
I find that like playing guitar, or martial arts, or power lifting, or anything for that matter, ones coaching to another will only help so far, disciplined action of persistent schedules are the only true way to get good at something, basically get up no matter how good or bad you feel and get hands on with what it is you want to be good at, make mistakes to learn what not to do and emulate the good to the best of your ability
The archery bow is the mother of all stringed musical instruments
Wow!!! Amazing and fascinating.