Who is Better? | Atraxa VS The Ur-Dragon | Powerful Commanders | MTG
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! Today Mitch decides which is better! Which is more powerful, Atraxa, Praetors' Voice or The Ur-Dragon?
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Having both decks I can say Ur-Dragon has for me about a 70% winrate at a table of 4. Admittedly, my deck isn't budget but neither is my Atraxa (and that one is closer to the 1/4 wins you should expect in commander). The big problem I have with Ur-Dragon is everyone knows what the deck does and wants to do and when playing with my friends they know the whole decklist and will gang up on me if I even start ramping ahead.
Same thing happens to me when I play my Ur-Dragon. My friends all gang up on me and my chance of winning is slim. Really sucks because I just wanna play my dragons
Glad I’m not the only one with this issue 😭 my one friend plays esper fae and negates all my stuff early, mills my deck, while my other friends pop off and attack me 😭
I think Ur-Dragon works very differently: An Atraxa deck will get a lot of help from the proliferate trigger, even though her colors allow the deck for a lot of support outside of her to make sure proliferation happens every time you probably want to hit multiple proliferate triggers per turn since you'll be an immediate target so you really need to close the deal with 10 poison inside 2 or 3 turns tops once you start infecting.
Ur-Dragon on the other hand, while it's a nice-to-have to draw a lot and ramp a lot what people miss is that this is a 9 CNC card that requires 5 colors. In other words: if you're able to successfully cast Ur-Dragon you're so far ahead it probably does not matter. No what matters isn't potentially drawing 4-5 cards and cheating an average of 6 CMC Dragon into play, but having cost reduction with eminence: this is basically starting with an extra land nobody can interact with: this is you being one turn ahead of everybody else just due to the strength of the eminence ability.
So in my opinion, building around a commander ability nobody can interact with is far more valuable: if you don't focus so much on casting and protecting your commander or being essential or extremely useful to your wincon, you're also going to be ahead of many other decks on many other situations.
You are correct Mitch: the Ur-Dragon is canonically the progenitor of all dragons in the MTG multiverse. It basically flies around creating dragons wherever it goes (which is why its last ability lets you cheat out any one permanent). Its first children were Ugin, Bolas, and the other Dominarian Elder dragons, who themselves became the basis for Commander's original name: EDH (Elder Dragon Horde) 😁
ugin and bolas were the last 2 of ita children among the 1st they were also the runts lol
it says so in the book 😂 iv got an audio book of it
@@joefuller3886uh..yeah...read it again and you'll notice I said Ugin, Bolas, [AND] the Dominarian Elder Dragons. As in they were AMONG the first generation. I listed those two first because it's proper to address those who are listed by name first.
Ugin and Bolas were the last of the Elder dragons to be born, but they were still part of the first descendants.
I've read the MTG stories too 🤣
@@BlackDragonSamurai i re read it it dosnt say Among the 1st
@@joefuller3886 It doesn't need to have the word "among". That would be redundant. The reference is already in the bloody sentence:
"It's first children were Ugin, Bolas, AND the OTHER Dominarian Elder Dragons"
"Other" signifies that they are all part of the same group. i.e. The Elder Dragons.
The Ur-Dragon's advantages don't even require it to be cast. There are also tons of dragons that do targeted damage and removal. Atraxa (in this build) depends specifically on growing small things into big things. If the small things are nuked before they can get big, the strategy dies. Meanwhile, dragons are already big, they're killing everything on The other side on etb and attack triggers or activated abilities, and they're doing it cheap. All this without even *casting* the Ur-Dragon. If it's actually cast, then you're getting all that, plus card advantage and free permanents. I won't go as far as to say Atraxa isn't as powerful, but my Ur-Dragon deck would absolutely demolish an Atraxa deck that focused on +1/+1 counters, and I didn't build it with that in mind; wide/tall decks are just some of many strategies the deck is equipped to have a solution to.
You missed one REALLY big issue - the Wrathful Red Dragon makes all that counter ramp super dangerous for Atraxa's controller, because every time she hits a dragon, the Wrathful Red Dragon will reflect that damage back on something - like, for instance, Atraxa herself, or her controller. The bigger she gets, the more advantageous it is to let a dragon chump block her, because she's going to either eat her own attack thrown back at her, or her controller's about to have a very angry dragon land on their head for a lot of damage.
based on the way you built atraxa vs the ur dragon no S*** its better. How are you even leaving out terror of the peaks or balefire? Dragons all day everyday.
Or Terror of Mount Velus for the more budget friendly option. Attack with Ur-Dragon, put that on the field, instant double strike on your dragons.
A budget thing: Remember he always looks at cards that are a dollar or less.
Still I would highlight this point because the truth is, neither of these commanders are budget to begin with but more over, playing with 4 or 5 colors on a budget deck it's a terrible idea: you are setting yourself up to be behind everybody else by having your mana fixing either come in too late or not at all: there's very rare good options to have non-tapped lands for more than one color and fetchable lands that are also tapped.
Simple fact is these decks, specially Ur Dragon, are really money intensive: You really want to have your mana base being 10 fetch lands 10 shock lands, 2 of each basic and then 4-5 utility lands. That's already a lot of cash but since you're in WUBRG you might as well run terror of the peaks, ancient bronze dragon, old gnawbone, etc. Some of the really powerful and/or ramp dragons as well as the free counters from blue, the cheap removal from white, the cheap tutors for black and/or green, etc.
This is a deck that it's either rated as 'Not that impressive' or easily runs you at least 1000 USD but more likely way over that.
balefire is literally my favorite card of all time
I think Atraxa has some interesting ideas available to her with Rad Counters and Energy support... With a bit of careful selection, she can become a rather interesting swiss army knife build.
Norn and Mitch “Cut out the red one”
As "original" as this might make me, these are two of my favorite commanders that I have decks for. My Atraxa is poison based.
In terms of which is better? Hard to say because they are both incredibly good. If I had to do a nutshell comparison, Atraxa is far more versatile, but I do feel like relying on proliferation can be a game of patience. The Ur-Dragon is more costly, and if you're gonna play him, you're only going to be playing dragons, but when he pops off, you tend to become the feared player. Especially when Ur-Dragon goes for a 1-hit kill in commander damage, which is more than possible. I love how lethal these two can be.
So a long time ago I did fist of the sons urdragon vs atraxa and I don't know how he made enough mana to make my dragon cost 25 mahna by chump blocking every time I attacked but it was one of the craziest games I've ever played and I only won with the dragons because they flew over and were bigger than most of the other creatures that you would put in an atraxa deck
Atraxa!!!
I will never not hate Dragons soooooooo...
_~ vibes in Atraxa cultist ~_
In terms of flexibility and potentail to just break many things atraxa. in terms of good design and fairness ur-dragon.
I was a priority hit list in my city's edh game due to using the Ur-dragon for a oneshot the whole table many times. Your ur-dragon's deck unfortunately does not meet the criteria of a dragon deck. Sad.
My commander is mondrak budget card
The one thing I realized about Magic the gathering recently is that it is a constant game of opinion which can be very frustratingly tedious to approach lol.
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Atraxa is powerful but solemnity can shut down the whole deck while the ur dragon does not need to be on the battlefield or trigger in any way to win
Depends on the Atraxa. Planeswalker Atraxa does not care.
Wouldn't it make more sense to do ur dragon vs myrrim?
The Miyrim deck, is it more powerful to build around a lot of dragons? Or is it more powerful to build around five or six extremely powerful dragons, and fill the rest of the deck with clones and blink spells?