It is wonderful that the damage and trauma caused by Gothard’s teachings have not swayed Jinger from God. Plus no man, including Gothard, can decide you are not godly because you don’t follow his ideas.
And I was almost crying to think after all these kids went thru how absolutely horrifically sad that they can’t escape the brainwashing that she legit was so indoctrinated she thinks there is a god and that religion has some sort of redeeming value rather than nothing but made up nonsense used for control purposes.
@@lijohnyoutube101 I’m agnostic but I still recognize faith is important to Jinger. I hate to see someone give up something they love regardless of how I feel about it.
I almost never leave comments…I just wanted to say that I also grew up under an oppressive legalistic Christian doctrine that twisted elements of scriptural truth with one pastor’s need for domination and control. In another video, Jinger used the word “disentanglement” rather than “deconstruction” to describe what she has done with her faith and it is a perfect word. She is a beautiful example of finding freedom in Christ. I have walked this same journey and disentangling the lies and indoctrination from the Truth without losing your faith is difficult but possible. I watched Shiny Happy People and while I was glad that it shed light on the evils of some legalistic religions, I was disappointed that at times, it painted all Christians, all homeschoolers, all large families, etc, in a bad light. There was no message of hope in Christ. Jinger made the right decision.
There are many of us who are finding ourselves in this situation. I also grew up in a situation like this. I am still 20 years later trying to find a road that I keep and pass my faith in God, but the "extras" that I can't meet up with scriptures I let go. I also have the issue that parents are still very much in the "faith"
I grew up with parents who would do this to practice more control and manipulation over us. They basically made themselves "like god." Because of the command go "honor thy father and mother," they wielded that Biblical command as if they're the arm of God or something. They ignored all teachings about not causing your child to anger. They manipulated the teaching about raising up a child in "the way they should go," trying to force their will over everything we did. It was awful.
I admire you guys so much! You, because you didn’t let deceit stray you away from the Lord. Your husband, because he had wisdom to recognize the lies that you were being taught and he took the time to teach you the truth. May God continue to be the center of your marriage🤍.
Thank you for being an ambassador of Christ. Taking the time to show how scriptures were twisted AND still sharing the scriptures and the gospel THE TRUE WAY is an AMAZING feat. Praying God's Richest BLESSINGS on you, your family, and your ministry...and for the Lord to continue to use you for His glory...especially to open up the eyes of those being deceived.
I watched your podcast on the “unplanned podcast” and I was really blown away at how lucky I was as a young child. Many people that I know and were close to, followed Bill Gother’s teachings. After my brother attend one of his seminars, my parents decided that it was far to captivating and controlling, and did not let us pursue it any further. So many of the things I was taught as a young girl are the same principles and really I struggle with so many of the same issues as you do. Like obedience and submission in the family and worrying that God is going to strike you dead if you step out of line, I’m so grateful that I have been able to grow into the Christian woman that I am, trusting God that he will lead me and that I don’t have to follow like a blind sheep because God doesn’t call us to be a blind sheep he calls us to follow the Shepherd. A true Shepherd never leaves his flock of stray. It’s always the wolf who comes in with the appearance of being a shepherd that leads the flock of stray and we need to be wise enough to recognize which one is which. Bless you in your journey to freedom.
Jesus Christ Himself said that false teachers, "wolves in sheep's clothing", would subvert the truth of God's Holy Word, and would lead many people astray. I am so glad that Jinger and Jill and their families are out from under the thumb of this false teacher, ablnd are figuring out what true Christianity really is. I pray that the rest of the young Duggars see it, too, and renounce this false teacher as heretical to The Bible.
God bless y'all for your boldness to bring the truth to light and lift Jesus up in spite of past hurts. Jesus had no part of people's lies or control. Jesus sets us free from bondage. I'm so thankful Jinger has been truly set free through Jesus's love. You're so brave and such a beautiful woman of God!💞🙏✝️
I just want to say, i grew up watching your families "show" and i loved watching you all. I honestly felt bad for you guys a lot of the time...but you two guys were always my favorite couple. The realest, kindest. Keep going 🙏🏻
The Duggar family is not a good example of a Christian family. This is cult they were in. Everyone accepted men like Josh's behavior. I am glad these girls got away from that life. I pray for their healing.
So proud of the woman that you have become. To be able to step back and see that what had been taught to you from the very beginning wasn't biblically correct. And to be able to differentiate between the two. I have periodically checked in on all of you sisters. Look how far you all have come! God is so good. I pray he continues to bless y'all.
Jinger was so correct! I went to two of his seminars myself and even sent my daughter. I am so very sorry for the life you have lived! May God use it to help others! God bless you!
Jingle you’ve always been beautiful inside and out but you’re absolutely radiant. Jeremy thank you for teaching her the truth and Jing thank you for being willing to listen after all of that trauma. You guys are an inspiration!
All of the Duggar children have J names; so she spells it Jinger. It’s funny how she met her husband who also has a J name, Jeremy. They make a beautiful couple who really take their time to understand each other and to have a healthy relationship with each other and their respective families.
Jinger, We’re so happy to see you thriving and walking with the Lord Jesus! ❤ We saw the dangers of the teachings and left the home fellowship after only 6 months or so. We loved your family and continued to remain in contact for a short time. But also felt the teachings were off and we exercised caution. Please pray for our oldest son, Aaron. (I don’t know if you remember him). He is so very lost and holds the short time we fellowshiped with your home church family as “ammunition” against us as “patriarchal, colonialist” haters. (even though we were only there for less than a year and left to find better theological teaching to protect our children!) He’s so very hard hearted and lost. I have hope in the Lord that He can save…!! But it is a long and painful road seeing your child stray. I’m so glad you have Dr. John MacArthur as a pastor/mentor. He’s so spot on!! Praise the Lord for all HE has done!! -❤Cathy Lemay
I’m happy she has escaped Gothard but MacArthers teachings are also greatly concerning. I think both her and Jill are still both trauma bonded to their parents (understandably) and as they age they will be able to open themselves up more to the realization of what happened.
So if I understand correctly, Jinger, you are saying that you wanted the documentary to still support Christianity and how Gothard's teachings were a perversion of true Christianity and not Christianity itself. Is that what you were feeling?
Jinger you’ve grown into such a beautiful woman inside and out! I had friends who liked Gothards teachings. I always thought they were weird and overbearing
Ginger has been such the voice of reason (and grace) throughout all of this. Loved the show when my boys were young; it changed our life and gave me the encouragement I needed to raise my sons in Truth, discuss and live our faith. Yet as teens and nearly young adults, having a bigger theological discussion and watching the process. The hardship, the familial struggles, and the reality of life. It's hard to watch believers having to walk some of the darkest roads. Yet all things. Will always be thankful for the Duggars. Thanks Ginger; super appreciate you. While your parents did their best, and did many things right, thank you for bringing clarity to the Gothard teachings.
Not sure if you saw the series, but I didn't think they did anything poorly. I wasn't in IBLP, so I can't say anything from that perspective, but I thought they handled it professionally & respectfully.
Yes but they didn't point out that christianity is GOOD and Jesus Is Real. It just showed one "christian" issue and the damage it caused. Which isn't truly christian.
@@Goldrefinedthrufireif you want to learn about scripture or hear that Jesus is good or “real” or whatever else, read the Bible and go to church. That wasn’t the purpose of the documentary. That doesn’t make it un-Christian, it just makes YOU unable to understand nuance 😂😂
I'm not religious, but I really admire your growth and the support you have in your relationship. It's really cool to see that you've maintained your connection to God despite the negativity you faced.
I love your response, Jinger. That was the one thing that disappointed me about the documentary is that they demonized ALL Christianity instead of Bill Gothards' teachings
How did it “demonize Christianity” when multiple participants- including one of Jill’s very own sisters- are still very much Christians themselves? Please stop interpreting criticism of bad Christians as a slam against all of Christianity.
God bless your precious family. Each and every one of you. Always consider the intent behind people’s decisions and actions. Your parents truly were trying to do what they thought was best. No doubt, they were deceived, but I believe their hearts were in the right place. You’re all precious and continue to change lives for the better by maintaining your Christian faith while telling your story. Peace be in all of your hearts.
I am in awe of her for speaking out. She has grown so much since being married to Jeremy. You are truly her Knight in shining armor, saving her from that father of hers. For what he put his children through...there's a special place for men like him. Still time for him to redeem himself, though...God save his soul 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🙌🙌
I understand her view. Unless you know Christianity, its hard to get the whole picture secularly. This from a former Christian. Its hard to talk about this stuff with ppl who arent/were Christian
There was a lot of misinformation in it as well. First, they called Wheaton college fundamentalist 😅 it’s actual growing quite more liberal for a Christian college. Nothing fundy about Wheaton. And this matters because I live in Wheaton and I’ve spoken with local people who now think Wheaton hates women! And they also used my friend’s picture, without her knowledge, a few times in association with Gothard! She was homeschooled but was never associated with him and does not support him.
I love her book becoming free indeed, really has helped me in disentangling my own previous "Jesus PLUS" experience I have listened to it twice and recommend it highly!
I didn't think the documentary did a good job at truly explaining what Bill Gothard's church is all about. I learn more about it from interviews with Jinger and the other Duggar's that have left.
I was raised Baptist Pentecostal and I thought that the series was good but then after I watch the documentary, I am just utterly disgusted and I get props to the girls for saying something and still sticking with their faith. ❤
My parents were big believers in Gothard. So much so that they worked all their remaining days to break my spirit to confirm. I have a husband and my own family which they couldn’t respect. They disinherited me and were mean spirited people. They were exactly the opposite of what Christ wants us to be. Sadly my siblings all believe this to this day. We have to forgive even when it’s hard and not asked of us.
While I agree SHP was very eye opening to understand the IBLP. I also understand why she didn’t want to be apart of it. It didn’t sound like it was an easy decision to make for either her or Jill.
So glad her could find the truth outside of her experience of what was taught to her as truth of God. So many people grow up in religious communities or homes with a horrible experience of total lies of who God is and end up hating God, but never realizing that the bad that they experience was just Satan biggest tricks, which is using the trauma of religion to damage and totally destroy our true relationship with God. God bless her and may God continue to use her for his kingdom. ✝️🙏🏽❤️
Was the program worth watching? We went to 2 seminars and homeschooled for a year (,hated it so lonely!). It really made me strive too. Bill Gothard was very deceptive. So strict and awful.
@jingerandjeremy how are your parents today? Is relationship whole? I struggle with a relationship w/ my mom bc of past childhood trauma (I was SA’d from 6-17 by her husband) she’s still with him & I will see her as long as he’s not around.
I remember people from my church back in the 1980s going to Bill Gothard events. It was very popular in a time when people were trying to keep families functioning and together as divorce rates continued to rise. It makes me sad that this organization abused people in the name of the church.😢
I wonder if the duggards are still raising the kids this way- the blanket thing where they give the baby the toy and take it away is heart breaking- I hope the younger kids are ok
Can't wait for Shiny Happy JW version. I survived and got saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ. I want to be the first intervewee on Ex-jw watchtower wickeness
I respect you Jinger, you have class and discernment. I wish Jill would have followed in your footsteps and not been a part of that trash documentary. I watched it and the entire thing was so biased against Christianity, as if all of us are apart of the IBLP and hold those same beliefs. That's simply not true. I'm so glad you stayed away from that!
Remember, you are loved and your story is important. You can share as you like. Also, just because something doesn’t have the ‘Christian’ label doesn’t mean it won’t have anything redeeming. All truth is Gods truth.
Very wise Jinger. You were correct & discerning. It was sad to see Jill possibly get taken advantage of using her story to make Christianity in general look bad. There is a separation for sure-Bill Gothards teaching were not Biblical. Once I saw DuMez in the documentary I knew they were using Jill to make your family look bad in general sadly. But I think most real Christians could definitely see the difference ❤
I think it was smart. It didn't really have a good motivation. They were pushing that believing in God was terrible and that all Christians are equal essentially.
Its sad to even think hed answer what he thought of his parenting now with an honest answer. We sadly know he'd blame yhe kids that it was their fault. And if he didnt "love them enough " it was on them.
I hope you don’t mind me asking but I’m just curious, are your parents still following bill Gothard? Or if they finally realizing how deceptive this man really was
I just watched it yesterday while I don’t agree with the ideology completely that you grew up with I was very disappointed to see that it was basically a slap in the face to people who share our beliefs in our Savior etc. they made faith as a whole seem like a scam to control women and keep even men in power over us all and that couldn’t be farther from the truth. There are “bad,” preachers and ppl abusing faith for their own gratification and power all over the world no matter what religion or denominations they identify with and that’s NOTHING even close compared to a real relashionshio with the perfect man and son of of GOD who gave his life for us all.
Jinger, a lot of these places they're not interacting in teaching the word of the Lord .....its all about money. So they twist words to their own convincing
I admire so much that you have still held on to your faith
It is wonderful that the damage and trauma caused by Gothard’s teachings have not swayed Jinger from God. Plus no man, including Gothard, can decide you are not godly because you don’t follow his ideas.
And I was almost crying to think after all these kids went thru how absolutely horrifically sad that they can’t escape the brainwashing that she legit was so indoctrinated she thinks there is a god and that religion has some sort of redeeming value rather than nothing but made up nonsense used for control purposes.
@@larissatom6910there is of course no god’s and it’s actually deeply sad.
@@lijohnyoutube101 I’m agnostic but I still recognize faith is important to Jinger. I hate to see someone give up something they love regardless of how I feel about it.
@@larissatom6910 no one should have religious faith, it has severely ruined our species in so many ways.
You’ve become a beautiful strong young woman who’s come out on the other side having learned who you are and who God is. That’s beautiful. ❤✝️
Jinger that is exactly what the documentary demonstrated. Jill is so brave, you should be so proud & supportive of her.
I almost never leave comments…I just wanted to say that I also grew up under an oppressive legalistic Christian doctrine that twisted elements of scriptural truth with one pastor’s need for domination and control. In another video, Jinger used the word “disentanglement” rather than “deconstruction” to describe what she has done with her faith and it is a perfect word. She is a beautiful example of finding freedom in Christ. I have walked this same journey and disentangling the lies and indoctrination from the Truth without losing your faith is difficult but possible. I watched Shiny Happy People and while I was glad that it shed light on the evils of some legalistic religions, I was disappointed that at times, it painted all Christians, all homeschoolers, all large families, etc, in a bad light. There was no message of hope in Christ. Jinger made the right decision.
There are many of us who are finding ourselves in this situation. I also grew up in a situation like this. I am still 20 years later trying to find a road that I keep and pass my faith in God, but the "extras" that I can't meet up with scriptures I let go. I also have the issue that parents are still very much in the "faith"
@marshaaragon2336 Stay strong. Be confident in your independence and beliefs. God is the one that gave mankind freewill. ❤
@@marshaaragon2336I’m praying for you and your family!!
😢 sad if it did not show Grace. Thanks to Jinger to bring light and explanation
I grew up with parents who would do this to practice more control and manipulation over us.
They basically made themselves "like god." Because of the command go "honor thy father and mother," they wielded that Biblical command as if they're the arm of God or something.
They ignored all teachings about not causing your child to anger.
They manipulated the teaching about raising up a child in "the way they should go," trying to force their will over everything we did. It was awful.
I admire you guys so much! You, because you didn’t let deceit stray you away from the Lord. Your husband, because he had wisdom to recognize the lies that you were being taught and he took the time to teach you the truth. May God continue to be the center of your marriage🤍.
I'm so proud of you for continuing to seek God after everything you've been through. You are an incredible woman.
Godly WOMEN are Empowered by the HOLY SPIRIT to BE all that THEY can BE in Order to DO Our FATHER’s WILL❣️🙏🏽❣️
Thank You Jinger for YOUR Testimony 💗
I fully support Jingers decision! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Local Santa Clarita grandma here. Watched your old show and enjoyed the familyness of it. I'm glad you've discovered your freedom in Christ❤
Thank you for being an ambassador of Christ. Taking the time to show how scriptures were twisted AND still sharing the scriptures and the gospel THE TRUE WAY is an AMAZING feat. Praying God's Richest BLESSINGS on you, your family, and your ministry...and for the Lord to continue to use you for His glory...especially to open up the eyes of those being deceived.
That show explained a lot ! Glad she got out & still has her faith👏🏻
Her parents kookoo in real life??
@@freedom4063 yes
@@megan807 yikes. How? What happend to them all??? 😢
@@freedom4063Oh stop you know about Josh and their creepy father.
There are ALOT of us that are in support of you.
The WISDOM! ❤
I watched your podcast on the “unplanned podcast” and I was really blown away at how lucky I was as a young child. Many people that I know and were close to, followed Bill Gother’s teachings. After my brother attend one of his seminars, my parents decided that it was far to captivating and controlling, and did not let us pursue it any further. So many of the things I was taught as a young girl are the same principles and really I struggle with so many of the same issues as you do. Like obedience and submission in the family and worrying that God is going to strike you dead if you step out of line, I’m so grateful that I have been able to grow into the Christian woman that I am, trusting God that he will lead me and that I don’t have to follow like a blind sheep because God doesn’t call us to be a blind sheep he calls us to follow the Shepherd. A true Shepherd never leaves his flock of stray. It’s always the wolf who comes in with the appearance of being a shepherd that leads the flock of stray and we need to be wise enough to recognize which one is which. Bless you in your journey to freedom.
Jesus Christ Himself said that false teachers, "wolves in sheep's clothing", would subvert the truth of God's Holy Word, and would lead many people astray. I am so glad that Jinger and Jill and their families are out from under the thumb of this false teacher, ablnd are figuring out what true Christianity really is. I pray that the rest of the young Duggars see it, too, and renounce this false teacher as heretical to The Bible.
its astray not of stray
God bless y'all for your boldness to bring the truth to light and lift Jesus up in spite of past hurts. Jesus had no part of people's lies or control. Jesus sets us free from bondage. I'm so thankful Jinger has been truly set free through Jesus's love. You're so brave and such a beautiful woman of God!💞🙏✝️
Love you Jinger. God bless you . ❤️☝️♥️
I admire you so much...not for just your outer beauty but, for your inner beauty and the love you have for God. ❤❤❤❤
That was the wisest choice you could have made, totally agree with your thought process.
God bless you 💓 your helping many who are deceived.
I just want to say, i grew up watching your families "show" and i loved watching you all. I honestly felt bad for you guys a lot of the time...but you two guys were always my favorite couple. The realest, kindest. Keep going 🙏🏻
The Duggar family is not a good example of a Christian family. This is cult they were in. Everyone accepted men like Josh's behavior. I am glad these girls got away from that life. I pray for their healing.
So proud of the woman that you have become. To be able to step back and see that what had been taught to you from the very beginning wasn't biblically correct. And to be able to differentiate between the two. I have periodically checked in on all of you sisters. Look how far you all have come! God is so good. I pray he continues to bless y'all.
I see the best thing about this is you all have not let this scandalousness crush your faith! Congratulations❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Jinger was so correct! I went to two of his seminars myself and even sent my daughter. I am so very sorry for the life you have lived! May God use it to help others! God bless you!
What happened??
Why would you send your kids to a place like that?
Jingle you’ve always been beautiful inside and out but you’re absolutely radiant. Jeremy thank you for teaching her the truth and Jing thank you for being willing to listen after all of that trauma. You guys are an inspiration!
Yay, Jinger! Im glad she's able to speak about her life and her truth. ❤
Thank God those girls marry so young. Jinger found a good guy in Jeremy. He has been instrumental in showing her what real love and living life is.
❤😂🎉Thankyou Ginger for staying with Jesus and his love.
All of the Duggar children have J names; so she spells it Jinger. It’s funny how she met her husband who also has a J name, Jeremy.
They make a beautiful couple who really take their time to understand each other and to have a healthy relationship with each other and their respective families.
Jinger, We’re so happy to see you thriving and walking with the Lord Jesus! ❤ We saw the dangers of the teachings and left the home fellowship after only 6 months or so. We loved your family and continued to remain in contact for a short time. But also felt the teachings were off and we exercised caution. Please pray for our oldest son, Aaron. (I don’t know if you remember him). He is so very lost and holds the short time we fellowshiped with your home church family as “ammunition” against us as “patriarchal, colonialist” haters. (even though we were only there for less than a year and left to find better theological teaching to protect our children!) He’s so very hard hearted and lost. I have hope in the Lord that He can save…!! But it is a long and painful road seeing your child stray. I’m so glad you have Dr. John MacArthur as a pastor/mentor. He’s so spot on!! Praise the Lord for all HE has done!! -❤Cathy Lemay
You are such a strong Woman! I admire you so much because you went through all of that And held on to your faith. i fully support you!
Amen jinger, hold on to your integrity sis. God Bless You 🙏❤️
I’m happy she has escaped Gothard but MacArthers teachings are also greatly concerning. I think both her and Jill are still both trauma bonded to their parents (understandably) and as they age they will be able to open themselves up more to the realization of what happened.
Agree!!!!! She went from one "cult like" to an other.
@@susiedyck4914Exactly. And what she is implying about Jill is very telling.
So if I understand correctly, Jinger, you are saying that you wanted the documentary to still support Christianity and how Gothard's teachings were a perversion of true Christianity and not Christianity itself. Is that what you were feeling?
Jinger you’ve grown into such a beautiful woman inside and out! I had friends who liked Gothards teachings. I always thought they were weird and overbearing
Ginger has been such the voice of reason (and grace) throughout all of this. Loved the show when my boys were young; it changed our life and gave me the encouragement I needed to raise my sons in Truth, discuss and live our faith. Yet as teens and nearly young adults, having a bigger theological discussion and watching the process. The hardship, the familial struggles, and the reality of life. It's hard to watch believers having to walk some of the darkest roads. Yet all things.
Will always be thankful for the Duggars. Thanks Ginger; super appreciate you. While your parents did their best, and did many things right, thank you for bringing clarity to the Gothard teachings.
It may not be specifically Christian but they are being Christ-like I'm honoring truth and compassion, and supporting the oppressed
100% Your instincts were correct!
❤
Not sure if you saw the series, but I didn't think they did anything poorly. I wasn't in IBLP, so I can't say anything from that perspective, but I thought they handled it professionally & respectfully.
Yes but they didn't point out that christianity is GOOD and Jesus Is Real. It just showed one "christian" issue and the damage it caused. Which isn't truly christian.
@@GoldrefinedthrufireLOL. sure.
@@Goldrefinedthrufireif you want to learn about scripture or hear that Jesus is good or “real” or whatever else, read the Bible and go to church. That wasn’t the purpose of the documentary. That doesn’t make it un-Christian, it just makes YOU unable to understand nuance 😂😂
I'm not religious, but I really admire your growth and the support you have in your relationship. It's really cool to see that you've maintained your connection to God despite the negativity you faced.
I love your relationships to God & each other. He truly brought your 2 together❤❤
Love you two. Keep going 🙌🏼
I love your response, Jinger. That was the one thing that disappointed me about the documentary is that they demonized ALL Christianity instead of Bill Gothards' teachings
Good to know. I haven’t seen it.
That's how they do it in Hollywood bc so many of them are satanists.
I didn’t get that they demonized all religion, just gothard. But I totally respect her decision and I’m so happy the older sisters are still in touch.
How did it “demonize Christianity” when multiple participants- including one of Jill’s very own sisters- are still very much Christians themselves?
Please stop interpreting criticism of bad Christians as a slam against all of Christianity.
Care to point out where exactly?
God bless your precious family. Each and every one of you. Always consider the intent behind people’s decisions and actions. Your parents truly were trying to do what they thought was best. No doubt, they were deceived, but I believe their hearts were in the right place. You’re all precious and continue to change lives for the better by maintaining your Christian faith while telling your story. Peace be in all of your hearts.
I am in awe of her for speaking out. She has grown so much since being married to Jeremy. You are truly her Knight in shining armor, saving her from that father of hers. For what he put his children through...there's a special place for men like him. Still time for him to redeem himself, though...God save his soul 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🙌🙌
Well explained! I totally get what u are saying!
I think she's very protective of her parents. She still doesn’t hold them responsible for what they did
👍
When leaving a cult you grew up in its very hard to sort out what you do believe and want to hold onto and what you throw out. It can take a lifetime.
I never watched it, I watched yall from the beginning, wasn't ready to see this to be honest ❤
I felt like the documentary tried to paint all Christians with the same brush as IBLP. She was right to not participate.
Oh how I agree with you ❤
I'm so happy you are free indeed😊🌻
I agree. Her life has been so exploited. She's smart for not going on, not have editing control
I'm wondering at what point does jinger ever hold her parents responsible for their behavior?
I think she has but I don't believe she would give up on her family because of it . But I do believe she holds then accountable
All honor and glory to God to His Sovereign grace.
I understand her view. Unless you know Christianity, its hard to get the whole picture secularly. This from a former Christian. Its hard to talk about this stuff with ppl who arent/were Christian
Thank you.
There was a lot of misinformation in it as well. First, they called Wheaton college fundamentalist 😅 it’s actual growing quite more liberal for a Christian college. Nothing fundy about Wheaton. And this matters because I live in Wheaton and I’ve spoken with local people who now think Wheaton hates women! And they also used my friend’s picture, without her knowledge, a few times in association with Gothard! She was homeschooled but was never associated with him and does not support him.
I love her book becoming free indeed, really has helped me in disentangling my own previous "Jesus PLUS" experience I have listened to it twice and recommend it highly!
I didn't think the documentary did a good job at truly explaining what Bill Gothard's church is all about. I learn more about it from interviews with Jinger and the other Duggar's that have left.
Love you both so much ❤️
She is amazing!
I was raised Baptist Pentecostal and I thought that the series was good but then after I watch the documentary, I am just utterly disgusted and I get props to the girls for saying something and still sticking with their faith. ❤
Light wins!!
Praise Jesus! 🙌
My parents were big believers in Gothard. So much so that they worked all their remaining days to break my spirit to confirm. I have a husband and my own family which they couldn’t respect. They disinherited me and were mean spirited people. They were exactly the opposite of what Christ wants us to be. Sadly my siblings all believe this to this day. We have to forgive even when it’s hard and not asked of us.
While I agree SHP was very eye opening to understand the IBLP. I also understand why she didn’t want to be apart of it. It didn’t sound like it was an easy decision to make for either her or Jill.
She is such a lovely Christian woman. I really admire her.
Well said, jinger.
So glad her could find the truth outside of her experience of what was taught to her as truth of God. So many people grow up in religious communities or homes with a horrible experience of total lies of who God is and end up hating God, but never realizing that the bad that they experience was just Satan biggest tricks, which is using the trauma of religion to damage and totally destroy our true relationship with God. God bless her and may God continue to use her for his kingdom. ✝️🙏🏽❤️
Such a beautiful lady
Love Jinger. And love your shirt- where is it from?
Wise woman. She did not leave God and that is a miracle and blessing.
“The system” it’s the cult babe
Was the program worth watching? We went to 2 seminars and homeschooled for a year (,hated it so lonely!). It really made me strive too.
Bill Gothard was very deceptive. So strict and awful.
I have a ton of respect for her
The documentary was shocking
I didn’t know Jinger produced the documentary. Where can I view it?
@jingerandjeremy how are your parents today? Is relationship whole? I struggle with a relationship w/ my mom bc of past childhood trauma (I was SA’d from 6-17 by her husband) she’s still with him & I will see her as long as he’s not around.
I bought your new book and I haven’t received it yet!!
I remember people from my church back in the 1980s going to Bill Gothard events. It was very popular in a time when people were trying to keep families functioning and together as divorce rates continued to rise. It makes me sad that this organization abused people in the name of the church.😢
Harvey is such a cute name!!!! 😍
I wonder if the duggards are still raising the kids this way- the blanket thing where they give the baby the toy and take it away is heart breaking- I hope the younger kids are ok
Can't wait for Shiny Happy JW version. I survived and got saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ. I want to be the first intervewee on Ex-jw watchtower wickeness
I respect you Jinger, you have class and discernment. I wish Jill would have followed in your footsteps and not been a part of that trash documentary. I watched it and the entire thing was so biased against Christianity, as if all of us are apart of the IBLP and hold those same beliefs. That's simply not true. I'm so glad you stayed away from that!
You were smart Jinger!
The girls wanted to get away from Jim Bob and Josh.
She wanted people to buy her book, peak peoples interest is the game.
She is very wise.
Remember, you are loved and your story is important. You can share as you like.
Also, just because something doesn’t have the ‘Christian’ label doesn’t mean it won’t have anything redeeming. All truth is Gods truth.
And yet she still seeks a public life after all her parents allowed their children to go through ..
Love you guys but man there’s like 4 or 5 big ad breaks. Ugh
Very wise Jinger. You were correct & discerning. It was sad to see Jill possibly get taken advantage of using her story to make Christianity in general look bad. There is a separation for sure-Bill Gothards teaching were not Biblical. Once I saw DuMez in the documentary I knew they were using Jill to make your family look bad in general sadly. But I think most real Christians could definitely see the difference ❤
I think it was smart.
It didn't really have a good motivation.
They were pushing that believing in God was terrible and that all Christians are equal essentially.
Its sad to even think hed answer what he thought of his parenting now with an honest answer. We sadly know he'd blame yhe kids that it was their fault. And if he didnt "love them enough " it was on them.
I just wish her parents could wake up and realize what damage has been done by his teachings
I want to know of Jim Bob Duggar still believes in Bill Gothard?
I hope you don’t mind me asking but I’m just curious, are your parents still following bill Gothard? Or if they finally realizing how deceptive this man really was
I just watched it yesterday while I don’t agree with the ideology completely that you grew up with I was very disappointed to see that it was basically a slap in the face to people who share our beliefs in our Savior etc. they made faith as a whole seem like a scam to control women and keep even men in power over us all and that couldn’t be farther from the truth. There are “bad,” preachers and ppl abusing faith for their own gratification and power all over the world no matter what religion or denominations they identify with and that’s NOTHING even close compared to a real relashionshio with the perfect man and son of of GOD who gave his life for us all.
Jinger, a lot of these places they're not interacting in teaching the word of the Lord .....its all about money. So they twist words to their own convincing
Yes, I so agree with her. I would not see shiny happy people. It is not from a Christian perspective.
You don't owe anyone an answer for the decisions you make in your life.