How Can Maple Leafs Fix The Top-6 With Their Current Cap Issues? | SDP
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss the current state of the Maple leafs salary cap and how they believe they could go about fixing their forward group.
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I agree with Steve 100 %. The core 4 are still there, same crap, different year
Good thing, I have plenty of popcorn!🎉
It’s actually core 5, but you overlook so much in that narrow-minded statement. This isn’t “running it back” - it’s different coaches, different defensemen, different system, more maturity in the core forwards. There are so many factors in playoffs beyond the forwards. If your defence corp is weak, the forwards have more work to do, which changes their offensive playing style and tires them out. Have you ever played high-end hockey? If you had, you’d understand that weak D totally hamstrings the forwards. The new D-men are much bigger, tougher, and can move the puck. They will beat the hell out of other teams’ forwards, and can also be trusted by their own forwards, which makes for a totally different game.
did you watch the oilers? yes the top players helped but the non-core players scored. Draisaitl and McDavid barely scored, didn't McDavid have like 8 goals all playoffs? No matter how emotional Steve likes being, cause he's nuts, it still matters.
I disagree. We have made some changes on 'D', we have some younger player in the mix, Tavares is in the last year of us paying through the nose, and trading Marner would still have us beholding to a good portion of his salary.
We have a new coach, and he will not stand for what has become status quo.
@@Dan-hz4vf Mcdavid broke Gretzky'S assist record 🤣🤣🤣, youre coping hard buddy, how many points did each of the princesses get in the 1rst round ?
LOL a 35 year old defense man that is NOT able to play 1st pair minutes is the best partner Rielly has EVER had , sad but true and what does that say about TML?
Yes, the Leafs change the mudflaps, change the paint color, put new wipers on and so on but the fact is, they have a busted engine and until they change it, they are going nowhere. It's been what now, 6-7 years with the core 4? They still refuse to see the real problem and unless things change between now and opening day, I expect same result in 24-25 as the last few years.
My hope is that the new “core” will be defensive, not offensive. Outstanding goalie, solid defense and just a really good front end.
The Core Bore
TOOK SHANNY AND YZERMAN OVER 10 YEARS IN LEAGUE TO GET THE FIRST CUP .
Didn't the Oilers just make it to the cup with the same core that had failed miserably for years though? Why can't the leafs do the same?
@@bradybeijes3232 You want to compare a core of 2 players vs one of 4? Simce 2017, the Oilers ',core' has now won 7 series in 6 playoffs run. The Leafs core has won 1 serie in 8 playoffs run.
Honestly, I believe it's a culture problem in Toronto. And you can add depth players but your star players and leaders on the team drive the bus and the culture. You can fix some deficiencies, but playoffs are a different beast. One thing I have always been in shock and flabbergasted by over the past several years, if stars and coaches not accepting or offering criticism when they throw a stinker. It's always could've gone either way, we played hard, we played well, just wasn't our night.
Just rainbows and tulips and everything is great and we're just so complacent winning would be great but we tried and thats okay.
I'm used to seeing Skinner say guys played great that loss is all on me and I need to be better next game. I have seen Leon say after a win, guys played great but I didn't play my best hockey, I need to do better. Hyman after a win say wasn't our best hockey we were lucky to win we have this this and that to clean up. Eckholm after a win wasn't our best effort, there's more in us to give and we won but we can be better and I don't think were playing our best hockey yet and everyone needs to step up.
I see guys stepping up and taking responsibility when things dont go well, and never satisfied when it does always pushing for more.
Then I see leafs post game interviews and I'm just "Wow!"
How is this team gonna drag each other, fight and claw through a cup run with this culture?
Starts at the top down. I mean Gio was always a warrior team first, sacrifice kinda guy and he couldn't impact that room. If I was Berube I would take all the letters away this season, and see who steps up to earn it. I hope Berube can make players accountable and make them earn ice time and not be afraid to call guys out. For Leafs fans sake. Because I don't know how else you can change the culture after 7 years short of blowing it up.
On UA-cam. Molson presents Lou Lamoriello on the importance of culture.
Leafs fans in the off season: IDGAF about regular season success
Leafs fans during the season: OMG Matthews gonna score 70!!!!! I'm gonna read 100 articles on it!!
That's not really a contradiction.
They're saying that playoff performance is all that matters which is true.
It's still fun to see history or people break records, doesn't mean it's what matters.
The point is that regardless of how obvious their playoff troubles are, leafs fans will still act like the team is the best based on reg season. Like they did last season. @@SidiousPalp
@@patrickhamos2987 No the point is trying to shame fans for enjoying their team during the hockey season. What is the alternative? Leaf fans sit quietly and refuse to have any fun at all for a whole season?
maybe in years past that holds true, for me personally I won't be watching the Leaf's next year...I'm tired of watching the same old BS year after year.
@Mrvegas6666 so you're not really a fan and just a poser? I bleed blue and white no matter who they put on the ice.
Just found you guys. Best hockey show on earth. I fw this.
Everyone was pissed at domi and bertuzzi signings last year and during regular season. Now everyone loves both. Maybe trust Brad a little more. Man has a plan!!
I actually really am impressed by Knies playoff performance in back to back years.
He was playing with some edge vs Boston.
Him continuing to develop could be a big piece.
I do have concerns about a top 6 that includes Tavares, Nylander and Marner in playoffs.
Just one more year until out from under the JT contract.
I really can't believe they're going to go into the year with the same core again.
It seems like more and more Leafs fans have come to accept that there's no real change coming, and the Leafs will be rolling out the band again to face the same result.
They have already improved the defence. They will be better.
@@johnsummerhill8323 you honestly think the moves they made will change anything in the result? Oof. Prepare to be disappointed.
@@thewickedone2676 Yup. They are better defensively and that was the main issue.
I don't care about the regular season any more either. The leafs could go undefeated all season and I still wouldn't be impressed
I get what you're saying, but finishing the season with 82 wins would be frickin' impressive, you can't deny that lol
@@-BigBatPat- lol I just know they'd find a way to choke it all away in the playoffs and become an even bigger laughing stock
@@chad_bAll Canadian teams choke in the playoffs. The system is built for that to happen.
Four guys should get 75% of the budget. That's a winning strategy.
It's just like corporate America
I think people are underestimating how shaky the Leafs goaltending could be again. Stolarz has played maximum 29 games in 1 season and we all know Woll cannot stay healthy. It is a big jump from a good backup goalie getting 20 starts a season to being a 1A goalie playing 55+. Do they have enough goaltending?
As long as the team plays inconsistent defense, they will have a goalie problem.
Also, Leafs consistently get flawed goalies, at some point you should question your goalie coach and scouts.
I have a feeling they got lucky w Stolarz, maybe he can be the guy
They have 3 or 4 good goalies behind them.
In Matt Murray we trust 😂
@@sebastiencarrieres8825? No, when you only have 4 mil for a starter and backup you’ll only get shaky goalies.
They weren’t good in regular season
And lost every 4 point game they had an opportunity to catch Florida or Boston
Leafs should sign Cal Clutterbuck for the 4th line. He is a total wrecking ball.
"Throw Timmins in the garbage" bruh 😂
Hi I'm timmonds mom. Thanks for making us cry!
in the nhl are they allowed for a team to take part of your contract , because if they can , could they save five up a draft pic for a bad team to take half of tavaras' contract?
Dude. I'm okay with regular season success.
Leafs don't even have 1000 poont player
They need organizational success first imo. I love the boys setting records
Love them and don't care.
Just love watching each game can being in SK
Timmins is a good defenceman!😊
Interesting how Kampf coming off 26 & 27 pt seasons as primarily a 4th line centre buried in the D-zone on face-offs, suddenly took a step back playing with Gregor & Reaves. Gee who could've seen that coming? As soon as he starts playing with Dewar & Holmberg.....voilà, a better 4th line & PK with Dewar. Kampf was the #2 guy in terms of TOI at the worlds, when he was given much better players to play with on his wings. Just like when he was rotating with Mikheyev, Kerfoot & Engvall....more points with better D stats.
One playoff series win with the core four in 7 years. our management is literally like an insane asylum Patient smashing his head on the wall Expecting to cure his insanity.
Fire Shanaplan forces Jt to take a huge home town discount. Push marner trade and nylander later if you have too
That's the funny part.
They don't!
We could package robertson, kampf, and Steeves for a solid 3rd line center
Knies-Matthews-nylander
Macmann-tavares-marner
Jarnkrok-???-domi
Abruzzee-Dewer-Holmburg
Rielly-tanev
Liligren-Larsson
Benoit-mcCabe
Nylander has offensive skills teams would like but is an defensive liablility. I don't like seeing him glide around without moving his legs, reaching in with his stick, or avoiding physical contact. They made Willie play on the PK and it is stressful to see him glide around with no urgency. Clear his cap space.
Nylander has taken strides defensively and continues to improve. He lead the team in short handed goals last year and made plenty of steals and was surprisingly more physical than previous years. All the leafs forwards do the same glide with the stick bullshit so it's either coached or none of them are being corrected in practice. Hopefully new head coach who has a bit more of a an emphasis on physicality changes the approach.
You’re drunk 😂
What do you mean the website might be gone ?
Seems easier to get help upfront at the deadline than good like Tanev. Give the kids and Robertson ang Holmberg a shot and improve for the playoffs at the deadline.
If we do not care about the regular season. Why not give prospects an opportunity . It worked for Holmberg Knies and McMann. Robertson, Minten, Steeves.
Alex Nylander!
If leaf fans want to jump on the Canucks or Oilers bandwagon come on. The Leafs are not a cup contender
both team trash lets go panthers.
@@noelwilliams2165 you're 1 and done.
Connor McNugget will never hoist a cup in an Oilers jersey that doesn't say Tim Hortons on it. The Canucks? Yea, it's not happening!!!
@DaveWalsh-ok9wj you must be a leafs fan
Steve how can you be so passionate about hockey and want to keep Liljigren over Timmins ? 25 gp mostly second and third pairing minutes with defensive zone starts. 10 pts +9 After
Domi has to play with Matthews. He can protect Matthews and get him to play more physical because people have to answer to Domi.
The other teams players are already shaking in their skates
@@MrJabez89it’s not about that it’s about having someone out there, win or lose the fight, that is WILLING to stand up for his team mates. It’s not meant to scare teams it’s meant to say hey you will be held accountable of you take liberties with our guys. Leafs need 3 more max domi’s, gladly give up marner for 3 more versions of max
Domi should be 3rd line centre.
@@johnsummerhill8323 no he shouldn’t be, he showed that him and matthews play great together last year. They need cap space to get an actual third line centreman. Marner needs to be moved to actually improve the team it’s with that or just wait until next year when he and Tavares come off the books. But more then likely this is another lost season just due to the cap complications
@@deweyw3737 Marner is going nowhere.
There are no adjustments coming. Unless they trade Robertson or Marner, this is the roster.
There is no ‘figuring this out this summer.’ Trades are done, rosters are pretty much set save a handful of RFAs, but none are gigantic enough, save Necas, to impact a teams cap that they need to trade off of it.
No one is taking Kampf. There are players making a million less than Kampf that do the exact same thing, sometimes better. It’s a bad contract regardless if the cap is going up or not. Puckpedia has his price at a late first for cap relief and I doubt Toronto would pay that.
Sure can't wait for TJ to come back and score the game winning goal against us in our first of 2 losses to Chicago!
This team like every other year with this core 5, has rearranged the deck chairs but the Titanic still hit the iceberg on schedule. Your defense might have improved but if our so called superstars don't show up, it all amounts to a hill of beans. Our goaltending, though respectable, is not in the top 5 in the league unless Woll becomes a Vezina trophy candidate. And think about it, in the last series against the Bruins, it wasn't our D or goaltending that got outplayed, it was again, our inept offense, the supposed stars, who failed us in their regular fashion...the guys haven't learnt to pay the price and when you have so much money to spend, why waste it at a hockey rink.
On paper their defence has improved. Their forwards are the same and their goaltending may or may not have improved. There’s absolutely nothing more this team could have done except force one of the top 4 into a trade. That’s not going to happen so they have no choice but to ride it out this year.
isnt Nick Robertson also a centre? NHL 24 has him as a C/LW. Maybe he is the 3rd line centre with Cowan on his wing?
Kampf and Jarnkrok can give us space. Liljegren too but we'd need to replace Lilly externally. I think Laughton or Jenner is the perfect target.
Rarely, if ever, is a trade made by a team going into camp reflective of anything of value. Everyone is gone for the off-season. There aren't more trades coming. They needed to do these deals over the last 2 weeks. They didn't- we are stuck with them.
The Ducks will be compliant by signing a couple of these left over FAs and moving them at the deadline.
I love Yushkevich but did you guys forget about Kubina?
Adam you keep saying things are gonna be different lol how has that worked out year after year
Not a fan of Adam his laugh annoys me
@@thecatzpyjamaz35 yet here you are watching his videos.
I’m feeling more like Steve these days. I respect Adam’s optimism but I don’t agree. This team failed to look at their biggest weakness. It is beyond proven at this point, that they can’t score in the post-season. The Leafs will be what they have been for the last 5 years. An above average team that squanders points & ensures they face another difficult team in the first round.
Like Steve said, its gonna be a long year. Even if they finish 1st in the season, it wont predict what happens in the playoffs.
Here's the irony I want to see: Berube builds a team in which the core four are a luxury but not a necessity to winning, where they are part of the equation and not the equation itself.
Fix the top six? This is the top six. It's Marner, Matthews, Knies?, Tavares, Nylander, Domi?
The ethos has changed? Bobby McMann, Calle Jarnkrok, David Kampf? Holmberg.
Tanev is not a first pair defender. Rielly is not a first pair defender.
Have to plan Cowan and Minten.
This group is what it is.
Also need another goalie. They will not get enough games played from Woll, Stolarz, Murray. Hildeby will probably get in a dozen games.
Agree that Reilly and tanev are not proper 1st pair, but maybe tanev can step up
@@patrickhamos2987 It's a lot to ask. He's Tough, Blocks shots like a champ, but he was the fourth defenseman in Calgary behind Rasmus Andersson, Noah Hanifin, and MacKenzie Weegar. He was the number four guy in Dallas behind Heiskanen, Harley and Lindell.
He had 25 hits in 56 games in Calgary and was third in blocked shots behind Weegar and Andersson. I think too much is being expected from this guy.
Regular season means nothing for the Leafs due to the meme. Its a sad weight to have, but it is what it is. Personally a conference final appearance would be enough for me to stop memeing on them.
no one thinking the step back incoming but its a probable outcome, everything has gone smooth for the leafs making the playoffs for several years and I think this is the year they lose their regular season mojo
If taking a step back in the regular season means a step forward in the playoffs I’ll take that trade off 24/7.. the team is still going to make the playoffs .. if they don’t it’s ok they’ll run it back again lol 😢
We know that the Leafs "should" make the playoffs with the current team. However like years past, the regular season means nothing, it's how they perform in the playoffs that matters now. The regular season is basically 82 exhibition games to separate the pretenders and the contenders.
The Leafs can dominate the regular season, but if they choke aggggggggain in the playoffs, then who cares about what this team did in the regular season.
This year net and D! Next year the forwards. Go slow. Do it right. No panic. Leafs will push for the cup in 2025-26
You’re high 🎉
"Go slow". Brendan has been in charge for how long now? This core has not played in a competitive second round series, and people still have patience for this regime?
Mitch and Tavares have to agree to a trade. No way to force them. 2025-26 everything falls into place
the guys were exhausted, poorly trained for stamina and psychological strength due to a regular season of abuse by their baby coach, by the time they arrive at play offs, with the screwing up the line up, the obvious signs of anger and sadness on many players and at best dejected, they cant do better in the playoffs than they are. they are actually playing so well in play offs given the lack of many holes in their mental and physical states.
Just here for the angst!
What about Boone Jenner for third line center as a place holder for Minten??
Is he even available?
Scoring 2 goals is enough for a championship team to win any game. You are not going to win if you expect to score 4+ goals in the playoffs.
I say give Nylander more time at Center. I think he can play 2nd line. Move Tavares to the third line. Teach him a defensive role
I think TJ Brodie's on ice play was affected by his personal situation with his wife 's illness. His head wasnt in the the game all year. He should of taken a leave of absense.
Push Cowan or Minten on team ELC
Much different? I’m not convinced Adam knows what he’s talking about. The forward group is literally the exact same minus Bertuzzi and the D added Tanev and OEL… not exactly needle pushers. Maybe Tanev yes - OEL, no.
I think what’s got him excited is that we’re moving on from Sheldon O’Keefe. To a proven Stanley Cup winner. And I agree, it’s the backend of the Leafs that needs the most work.
Oel is better than what they've had here. In fact I like oel over Reilly on most things
@@patrickhamos2987 I hope you’re right
Kampf is a passenger. The leafs have enough of those already, no? When have you ever seen him throw a check or make a difference in a game. Give me a break guys
I’m gonna start this with the fact that I love Mitch Marner, but it be funny for treeliving to ask the coach to put Mitch on defense until Mitch opens up his availability to be traded
That'd be some arm-wrenching but it'd probably work. His offense would quite likely decrease and it would hurt how much he can make as an UFA.
Let us trade you or we'll hurt your wallet. Nice.
@@reignofrockit’ll only hurt the leafs dumb idea
@@Matthewkniesfansure it is. But last year he filled in as RD when guys got hurt mid game. He was arguably the best RD in those games 😂
Now that's an idea
Stupid ideas abound
Condolences to these three gentlemen for being contractually obligated to talk about the Leafs. Pity that they have to appear to be members of the Maple Leafs fan club when there are actually other Canadian teams who could have much better playoff success than the frauds in Toronto.
Oh and you guys forgot about conner dewer
Leafs only have two options - Either trade Marner/don't sign him long term or except their prospects to hit big time in coming years
Its the top 4
Even if they were a point per game in the playoffs it probably still wouldn’t be enough. It’s just too imbalanced. We’ve seen it not work with considerably superior players. Without getting too specific, you just need more players and less passengers. They already have too many passengers and too few players. Cap increases won’t fix it. (Because better teams will still have less passengers, I don’t get why people like Adam doesn’t get this).
I am curious to see just how long Shanahan gets a free pass if we keep getting no playoff success.
Matthews will be fine. Nylander and marner must be willing to be more physsical not necessarily violent.
Leaf fans are delusional if they think this team will be any different in the playoffs
I think they are waiting on JT contract to come off the books
What about dewar?
@@thepunishing286 Doesn't have a contract yet.
Get rid of Marner, any means possible
Dumb.
@@johnsummerhill8323because running this core 5 back after 8 seasons is not dumb ? 😂 You think a coach will unlock something in these brats ? Hell no they will have good regular season stats and disappear like all 5 guys do every year 8 seasons now is insanity
@@tr41l3rp4rkb0ys You don't tear it apart. You fix the parts that are causing issues- the defence. Otherwise, they are a very entertaining team and that is very important. After all, pro sports is just a form of entertainment like movies or music.
@@johnsummerhill8323 The problem come post season has been scoring. You don't score by skating around the edges of the offensive zone looking for a pass that is only there during the regular season. The most entertaining thing a pro sports team can bring is postseason success, and this core doesn't bring that.
Marner has a no move clause. He gets to decide if he is traded or not.
I can't think of three LESS qualified people to try and "fix" the top 6.
Trade Nylander and get two players at 5.7m each for the money.
Can't be traded.
This is the definition of insanity... Keep running it back with the same core hoping for a different outcome.. Geezers Tanev and Larsson aint gonna put this team over anything
They haven't won a cup since I was born.. Keep it going boys....😂
You guys should have a million subscribers by now I don't get it 💖🙄
Fix the top 6 by trading them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where to your team? Jealous much?
This is why you care steve. An entire childhood of born hockey. Let alone even having the ability to fail in the playoffs
Best puck movers. Lapointe, Salvard and Robinson. Give peace a chance!!
Imagine paying 4 guys in your top 6 over $45million dollars and the top 6 is your problem. 😂😂
Only the Leafs.
they can't. next episode please
These guys completely forgot about Connor Dewar, and Robertson wants a trade. If they sign Dewar, who has arb rights they wont have any money left for Robertson anyway. 😂 oh and Hackenpaa is the better player not Benoit. I doubt he sits.
Was the 21 loss to Montreal. Worse or hardest loss to stomach in franchise history? All or Nothing: Maple Leafs covered whole year. To not forget, that season. 😂😅😊🎉
20 year old Caufield, Toffoli, and Danault. 36 year old Shea Weber.
Vintage Price - don't be hard on the Leafs. If they could have held his knee together and kept Weber's arms from failing off the Canadiens would have won the Cup. Goaltending and defence wins Cups/
3-1
2 Of 3 Games went to OT. Matthews and Marner non existent. With Hyman and Nylander on team.
Steve, come on. You don’t like the leafs scoring in the playoffs, but then you say their new defence can help them move the puck. 🤔
angry steve is best steve
Ya we’ll wait till he gets his wishes and they trade one or even two of the core four and they miss the playoffs for the next five years lol should be a fun watch. lol
Just make it to a Stanley Cup final that will help
I heard something the other day that may work
Liljergren and robertson to calgary for kadri at 33% retained
If that happens, that would solve the 3C for sure, and one of Minten or Cowan could possibly fill the LW hole. The question then would be who fills in that RD spot? Hakanpaa may not even play, so would it be Timmins? Is Niemela an option? Or is there someone still available that the Leafs could get at a low price?
@@rhaspados666 For this to happen, Calgary would need to get over the drama with Treliving. Sounds like a long shot to me.
@@wildtyler101 People are putting a lot of stock in a rumour about Hakanpaa written by a Sun reporter known for not letting the truth get in the way of a good story.
@wildtyler101 even if hakkenpaa dosnt sign I trust Timmons as a #6 guy and you get some of the younger guys up and play when he inevitably injured
@@RobbieG17 I think they would be willing to get over it for getting kadri off the books
When this team stops losing to the likes of Ottawa, Buffalo, Columbus etc. with those lazy games during the regular season…then maybe this team will be ‘different’.
I saw this with the Sharks when they brought in deboer. Same core was in place.. Patty, Jumbo, Pav etc. New coach, mew system. Made the cup. The coach can and should completely change the style of play without changing the core. Let's fkn go!
Yeah. St. Louis is another example and that’s the coach we have.
@OkayRocket30660 right exactly.. another great example. Sharks even took the C from 2 of them boys and they didn't cry about it. They fkn got to work and damn near did the thing. Mitch and Matty are on another level than Patty and Jumbo ever were as well.. so I'm stoked to see what Berube can do with them!
Ask Sheldon Keefe how that went. And the Sharks never came close to getting back to the Finals after losing that series.
@@Chimeratech8 facts, but the Sharks core was also way older than these boys when they finally made the cup run.
Wow....picture is worth a thousand words. They are screwed
Would much rather have Kampf than Reaves on the team. Reaves continues to be a waste of a roster spot on every team he's ever been on. Kampf in the playoffs is helpful while Reave's 6min per game are not.
Why in the F is Ryan Reaves on their team!? Can you not find someone who can scrap AND contribute defensively!?
Poor Reeves, had some bad pick luck in the yoffs
@@patrickhamos2987 lol…is that what it’s called now? The guy is like 36 years old. Are you telling me there’s not someone on the farm that can scrap and play a little defense and come in at the league minimum. They could save 700k towards the salary cap AND be better.
Mitch isn’t the problem, Tavares is. Tavares is a total non factor in the playoffs and gets routinely outplayed by 2-3 million dollar players.
He may not be the problem but he(maybe Nylander) the one who will get the most return..
Unless you want to part with Matthews.
Or continue to scrounge the scrap heap.
@@TheScotian82 no. They should keep marner and make Tavares take a big discount. Add players as the cap goes up, they don’t have to trade marner
maybe producer Drew can fix?
Tavares on LTIR
He is not hurt.
@@johnsummerhill8323he's right though. They don't need him to get in the playoffs and if he's just a drain on cap just pull a vegas. Put JT in ltir for the season and now you have all that cap room to do what you need. Then he's back for the playoffs. They should do it.
@@patrickhamos2987A player going on LTIR is subject to a league medical examination in order authenticate the injury.
Robertson is worth $2.5M easy.
The maple leafs core players still can’t perform when it matters so the result will be the same
Leafs need a shot from the point Dman lol. The pp won't work well unless you have a threat from the point
Oel
no depth or defence.. they arent going anywhere.
Who’s the goalie?? lol same result next year.
Guys you just picked the wrong team ahah go habs go
No, we like our team in the playoffs.
Bring Hyman back…. Fire shanny and Brad before this goes completly off the rails.