i just bought this a couple weeks ago and i'm 100% pleased with my decision. I drove the brand new st's and gti's as well and i think the si is faster acceleration wise but def not top speed. i just wish they did a little better job with the exterior but all in all its a fun drive
I recently bought a 2013 Civic Si sedan as my first car and I’m absolutely loving it. Probably the best Si considering it has that K24Z7. Ticks all boxes!
I have a 2012 Si and I absolutely love it. I checked out the GTI, Speed3 and WRX and only the Si fit the budget and feel perfectly. There is definite sporty high end rev with this model that some of the others don't have. In my opinion only the WRX made me waver in my purchase choice, but I like the svelte subdued effect of the Si that the WRX most definitely doesn't have. Great video review by the way.
I don't see any other manufacturers making over 200 horsepower with a naturally aspirated 2.4 liter engine. Honda has been doing this since the 90's. Give credit where credit is due. Guarantee that if you remove the turbos from all of the competition those cars wouldn't come anywhere near 200 horses.
I agree I mean 201 HP from 2.4L is just impressive. Honda has done that for years. I mean even the 2.0L K20 motor from the S2000 for example, that made 240 HP from only 2.0L which is 120 HP/L. I don’t see anyone else doing that, and the engines are all N/A which is an even greater feat.
GREAT review! one of the only good, in-depth reviews about the new si on youtube, all the others are dealers trying to sell the car. Im considering trading for an si and this video has helped a ton with my decision making process. i recently drove the new si and its a totally kick ass car! totally responsive, sleek and the new features are awesome for the price! Keep up the good reviews, guys.
Its nice to have an option to get an NA car in the market of turbo chargers, for me as a medical student - reliability is the most important factory and with an Si this is the best choice, not to mention the awesome resale value. If you are a professional student or keep cars for more than the warranty period, get the Si - it will save you the headache of turbo charged cars and you will get most of your money back when you are ready to upgrade. From personal experience; I have a friend with a 2009 GTi DSG - he currently has 94k miles on it and he already had to replace the turbo on it, the Dual clutch gearbox requires expensive fluid flushes (At least in the VW) every 30k miles (around $500 at the dealership), With the civic si, all you need are oil changes & a transmission fluid flush every 50k miles (which is dirt cheap compared to the GTi) If you get a sedan Si you will also have the dirt cheap insurance for it aswell..
insurance really depends on so many factors like age, location, driving record, credit score etc etc. but overall a sedan civic Si is very cheap to insure, for example mine is about $120 a month for full coverage and a low deductible.
You guys make the most entertaining videos. I watched the whole thing, full screen, no other distractions and paid complete attention. There are very few other UA-cam channels I can say the same thing about. Well done.
Unfortunately, the weather in our area hasn't been cooperating, it's been either cold, windy, or rainy for over a week. Don't worry, it's supposed to warm up next week and we will be back to filming :)
I think that the main thing that most people that review this car never talk about is that its a good aftermarket car i dont know about others but if a got a new civic it would be mainly a aftermarket car its very easy to add a turbo to them and get very good results.
We appreciate the support :) our editor in chief chooses to leave out the WRX or Evo because it is AWD. Even though, price wise it does compete some buyers do not want or need AWD which is why he sticks to FWD models. We should be reviewing Subaru and Mazda soon!
Just sweet! Glad I got one (2013 Si Sedan) in blue. Planning in changing the exhaust configuration and the intake to add up about 20-30 more HP to it. Pretty darn good Si that can compete and beat any 4-cans out there... ...well done, Honda!
@@ya_boi_zak5927 I would totally recommend trying to get one. That seems a bit high for that many miles but I think most cars are going way high right now. If you can see if you could get one cheaper from a high volume dealership. They might mark one down because it’s a manual it idk if that trick works now🤷♂️
@@Cms-rl3wo yea that's what I thought too. It's from a dealership. I know hondas last long so I wouldn't mind paying that much. I could probably find one from a private seller for cheaper. Either way I'm getting one!
As much as I have always been a bmw fan my whole life I really enjoyed this review! Sure the si isn't the fastest car out there, but there's something about the si that one is drawn to. It clearly shows honda's racing roots and a honda engine is built to last and the sound of v-tec is music to my ears. A great daily driver car.
my parents just bought me this car for my 16th birthday and im absolutely in love with it we have some rims on it and some new racing tires which makes it grip super well 6 speed manual Transmisson all just perfect
Where are you getting $2,000 more? The cheapest Accord V6 coupe is priced at $31,140 without NAVI. The Si is priced almost $8,000 less than the Accord V6 coupe.
Although the Si may not be turbocharged, acceleration wise it can keep up surprisingly well with the GTI and price wise it falls right in line with the turbo competition. The Forte and tC are less expensive and cannot keep up power wise.
Thank you! We are extremely thrilled that you enjoyed it and how it has helped you with your decision. Have you figured out whether you wanted the coupe or sedan yet?
Again its not a TSX engine its a totally different engine WTF people.. Not the same engine the TSX uses K24Z3 while the Si uses K24Z7 engine get your facts straight.
That's really up to you, our editor-in-chief cannot drive without the satellite radio but if you don't need it than skip the navigation package entirely. Honda does offer the Sat radio as a dealer accessory but at $400 dollars, it's a pricey option again.
It may be under-powered in terms of the numbers, but the lighter weight of the Si allows it to keep pace and be even quicker than some competitors. 0-60 in 6.1 secs according to most test, place it just behind a Speed3 and ST which do the same sprint in 5.8-5.9 secs.
You make an excellent point, however, keep in mind American cars are built to a much higher standard today vs.10 years ago when the Neon SRT-4 was out. Reliability is still unknown for the Focus ST but it's initial build quality is much improved vs its predecessor, the SVT Focus.
Michael Benson I just got one last week. Traded a VW turbo Beetle which had several reliability issues and it was barely a year old . Chose Honda for reliability. I do miss the turbo though.
the b biddim I have one, lots of car noise and doesn't handle well 75+. I'll typically cruise the freeway at 80 so I notice it quite a bit. Not a bad daily driver but can't wait to get rid of it. Im glad it holds its value.
The rear view camera will show up in the 5 inch i-MID display when you get a model without NAVI. Choosing between these two model will be tough. Both have strengths and weaknesses based on what is important to you. Both are priced roughly the same with the Accord Sport being a bit more. Tech features are pretty close, since all the really good tech is saved for the EX and above Accords. The Civic will be more fun to drive and quicker, plus easier to park but the Accord will be more comfortable.
Everyone is different. You may think the WRX has a soft ride but others may say it's harsh. For you, the backseat can fit 3 people, someone else will say it's far too cramped. You may think the MPG is good, someone else may say its a gas guzzler. Everyone has different taste and needs, if you like your WRX, that is great. We simply state that for the majority of buyers, most will find the Si to be roomier, have more tech, get better MPG, and have a softer ride.
That's what we were thinking. While the 4 cyl LX-S Accord coupe does come very close to the price of a base Si, the Accord simply has a different mission. You need to decide which is more important for you: a comfortable, sporty looking daily driver, or a quick and high strung corner carver with a louder exhaust note. The Accord is def the more mature car but it won't be as fun as the Si to drive. It's really up to you, take both for a drive and then you should be able to make a decision.
I'm from the old school, the technique for engaging the clutch on steep hills is to use the e-brake, is tricky but it works, i never even knew there was a a" hill holding clutch".
You have to remember not everyone thinks the way you do. Sure the speed3 has way more power, but for some people it's too much. The Mazda is also 300 lbs heavier than the Si, so it needs more power. The Si has it's advantages in ride quality, fuel economy, and value while some people may dislike the styling of the Mazda compared to the cleaner appearance of the Honda. Both vehicle have their advantages, and in the end it comes down to your personal preference and needs.
Depending on how you equip your GTI it will be either a little or a lot more expensive than the Si. However, you will still notice the GTI is quicker, quieter, more luxurious, and more comfortable. The Si is louder, lighter, more fun around corners, and will have the superior resale and reliability over the VW. It's really up to you, if you want that more grown up, premium look and feel, go with the GTI, if you want more of a boy racer look with a screaming engine, go with the Si.
I just bought the exact model you tested same color and all, it's a great little tuner and I am very happy with the purchase Super Torquie and a lot of fun to drive.
You just listed most of the reasons why the Si is still a great choice in the segment. Sure, performance wise, the Si cannot compete with the Focus ST and Speed3 but that doesn't mean the Si isn't fun to drive in its own way. Most buyers find the handling to be sharp, combine it with the high revving engine and quick shifting 6 speed; you have a vehicle that will still put a smile on your face. Match it with Honda dependability and value and you have the reason why the Si sells pretty well.
In terms of road noise, the GTI is still the quietest. However, compared to the 2012 you drove, this 13 model is a bit quieter, you will hear more of that lovely exhaust noise more over the road noise. Is it improved enough? That's really up for you to decide, drive the new model when you get the chance :)
Awsome review as always you the man lol dude you the best reviewer alive like no youtube channel does it better I enjoy watching all your videos I stay up all night just watching your car reviews keep them coming great job man seriously..
Apologies, we just meant if you don't know how to drive stick and have no desire to learn to not bother. The Si is a great car to learn how to drive stick on :)
You're comparing the price of this Si which has the optional $1500 Navigation package with a base MS3. You need to add the Tech package to the Mazda and that pushes the price up by $2500 to $27,500.
While they do compete price wise, the fact that they are RWD gives the vehicle a different feel. Which is not a bad thing and we don't blame people for cross shopping however, some buyers don't want RWD which is why we stick with the FWD competition.
Question. They said with the weight at 2900 pounds that makes it one of the quicker cars in the sport compact category. What is it faster than? I have a soft spot for SIs not a honda hater but honda needs to do something better. For the price it cant compete with the MS3, ST, and real SCs. When your main competition is coming from Hyundai and Chevy turbo economy micro cars (veloster turbo/sonic rs) you have a problem. They dont even mention the Si when they talk MS3, GTI, ST, mini or WRX now
The torque steer on the MS3 is not excessive even in stock form with the weak OEM engine mounts. I don't do launches in my car, but say I'm rolling along after shifting out from first and I put it into second, and floor the pedal. I would feel a bit of that torque steer even with both hands on the wheel, but it never once made me feel as if it was pulling out of control. My car is now stage 2, with all 3 upgraded engine mounts, and it's gotten even better.
The 1.8 B18 motor never made 200 hp at least not in the U.S. The most it made came from the Intergra Type R at 195 hp. Impressive for sure but the old B18 motor had little torque and required high revs to get any power. While we do understand the appeal of high revs, this new 2.4L still supplies that high revving character while also giving you torque down low so the power is much more usable everyday.
Professionally done review. Starting price of the SI is only about $700 less than a '13 Accord Sport, which has 18-inch wheels, paddle shif, dual exhaust and about 10 more pounds of torque. Although the SI has a LSD and may be faster around corners, the Accord Sport seems to provide an overall better value and practicality for the money. Best package: Accord Sport and a used S2000 for the CA canyons or Rt 129 (Tail of the Dragon
was the steering hydrolic or electronic? and my fav si is the 99-00 em1 also the ep3 (euro type r) but id prefer the em1 because its cheaper and harder to find (clean title) is the new civic equally as fin to drive or better? because they bombed it on the 2012 si coupe.
Yeah, you're right. Actually i tried both coupe and sedan and you have more head room on sedan than coupe. However i dislike the rear of the sedan and love the coupe more that's why i posted it on a coupe video. Congrats on your purchase, it's a good choice no matter what others people say.
Damn. You guys do great reviews. Not only you do a real in car test drive without cutouts, but you also give great feedback and information on the car at the same time :D I don't regret subscribing to you guys.
The last cool civic coupe, and the last NA civic SI coupe before it goes turbo! Miss the times when Honda made powerful, small and screaming NA engines! I wish diecast car makers made these!
Yeah I used to hate Civics but only because I was judging the drivers rather than the car. And the new 2013 model was a huge update. Very affordable with a lot to offer. I'm so excited to get the car!
The GTI you are describing is not the same price as this. A fully loaded Autobahn model cost about $30,000 or $5,000 more than this Civic Si. While we agree, we want those premium features, not everyone does and it's why the Civic Si still sells so well.
I have a big question for you! Is the 2014 Honda Civic the first year when they added Hill Starter Assistance ????? isn't the 2013 Civic free from Hill Starter Assistance??... I'm trying to find out if the 2013 has HSA...
I dont have any problems with mine. and what engine defects are you referring to? i was not aware of any. i was not a big fan of ford before i bought the car, test drive changed my opinion though
I'm sorry if you answered this (I did not get to watch the entire video yet) but why did they add another 3K to the price? What was the big impact on price? I have the 12 btw and it retailed for like 22K
Yea same here, Si is my first car though I'm somewhat regretting it now but I still love my Si, my next car is going to be an S2K hopefully 6 months from now, looking forward to it
+kaw kaw I live in Scarborough and owned one for about 7 months before it got into a bad accident. The insurance wasnt bad...only paid like $220/month. I plan on getting another one eventually.
KardiFan2000 that's so waste.. I lived in Jane and shoreham and Albion and finch. I recently moved to btown and my insurance went to 550 then to 790/month. With one stupid infraction. I moved out of tdot and my insurance went up like a bitch.
Hi it's me again ur pal in Springfield. Can you tell me how quiet this is compared to the GTI? I love the si but when i tried the 2012 model the road noise annoyed me. Please tell me how is the road noise. I know they improved it for 2013 but is it enough?
Nice Review, Several reasons for my choosing 2012 Si Sedan; Same hp as GTi Turbo, More than Fiat Abarth. Less than Speed 3 and Focus but has better usable power over more RPM than either. Best resale and better extended warranty available than any turbo car. Less to insure than turbo cars by $400 per year where I live. Almost went Ralliart but it is not available in Manual shift. So far good decision, this was an accurate test.
It's certainly not a deal breaker in me buying one of these used, but is that slight Rev Hang when you shift due to an unnecessarily heavy Flywheel, or is it the software programming for the engine?
The flywheel in these cars is pretty light and free revving. The rev hang is very minor by modern standards and can be easily tuned out with software . The rev hang in this car is nothing like what you find in the 10th gen.
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in a few years the civic will be the size of an accord. Honda please keep this car small and bring back the hatchback.
Agreed on both
...and it IS the size of an Accord now. :P :) Good prediction stuntdoogie. :)
stuntdoogie You realize you predicted the future right
stuntdoogie Hah. Hindsight is 20/20
4 years later and you predicted the future.
This 2.4L engine sounds better than the new 1.5L turbo.
What sounds better?? The exhaust doesn't sound better. The engine note stock for stock sound the same. With intakes, they are subjective.
Exactly the new 1.5 has fake induction piped into the interior
Both cars fbo tune and guess whats faster? the 1.5l turbo
@@JonahLongworth There's only fake engine noise from the Civic SI with the 1.5t.
@@La-yt1wr yeah that’s why the k24 sounds better But either way the 2.0 in the type r is quiet
i just bought this a couple weeks ago and i'm 100% pleased with my decision. I drove the brand new st's and gti's as well and i think the si is faster acceleration wise but def not top speed. i just wish they did a little better job with the exterior but all in all its a fun drive
can you hear the exhaust while driving?
I'm debating on getting one of thse for my first car ... is it worth it .. are they really good sports cars
I recently bought a 2013 Civic Si sedan as my first car and I’m absolutely loving it. Probably the best Si considering it has that K24Z7. Ticks all boxes!
I have a 2012 Si and I absolutely love it. I checked out the GTI, Speed3 and WRX and only the Si fit the budget and feel perfectly. There is definite sporty high end rev with this model that some of the others don't have. In my opinion only the WRX made me waver in my purchase choice, but I like the svelte subdued effect of the Si that the WRX most definitely doesn't have. Great video review by the way.
they need to bring back the prelude as rwd with a nice look that stands out.
I don't see any other manufacturers making over 200 horsepower with a naturally aspirated 2.4 liter engine. Honda has been doing this since the 90's. Give credit where credit is due. Guarantee that if you remove the turbos from all of the competition those cars wouldn't come anywhere near 200 horses.
The MS3 probably does
The Ricer Mechanics speed 3 are turbo charged stock
I agree I mean 201 HP from 2.4L is just impressive. Honda has done that for years. I mean even the 2.0L K20 motor from the S2000 for example, that made 240 HP from only 2.0L which is 120 HP/L. I don’t see anyone else doing that, and the engines are all N/A which is an even greater feat.
i bought this as my first car 3 weeks ago in the same color, still learning manual on it but I love this thing so much
Bought a 2013 Si sedan as my first car 3 week ago too!
I might do the same aswell😭
This guy is really good at his job! His reviews are thorough.
GREAT review! one of the only good, in-depth reviews about the new si on youtube, all the others are dealers trying to sell the car. Im considering trading for an si and this video has helped a ton with my decision making process. i recently drove the new si and its a totally kick ass car! totally responsive, sleek and the new features are awesome for the price! Keep up the good reviews, guys.
Its nice to have an option to get an NA car in the market of turbo chargers, for me as a medical student - reliability is the most important factory and with an Si this is the best choice, not to mention the awesome resale value.
If you are a professional student or keep cars for more than the warranty period, get the Si - it will save you the headache of turbo charged cars and you will get most of your money back when you are ready to upgrade.
From personal experience; I have a friend with a 2009 GTi DSG - he currently has 94k miles on it and he already had to replace the turbo on it, the Dual clutch gearbox requires expensive fluid flushes (At least in the VW) every 30k miles (around $500 at the dealership),
With the civic si, all you need are oil changes & a transmission fluid flush every 50k miles (which is dirt cheap compared to the GTi)
If you get a sedan Si you will also have the dirt cheap insurance for it aswell..
Are the insurance rates cheap for this car?
insurance really depends on so many factors like age, location, driving record, credit score etc etc.
but overall a sedan civic Si is very cheap to insure, for example mine is about $120 a month for full coverage and a low deductible.
You guys make the most entertaining videos. I watched the whole thing, full screen, no other distractions and paid complete attention. There are very few other UA-cam channels I can say the same thing about. Well done.
See videos of the 2014 Civic Si on my channel!
Unfortunately, the weather in our area hasn't been cooperating, it's been either cold, windy, or rainy for over a week. Don't worry, it's supposed to warm up next week and we will be back to filming :)
I think that the main thing that most people that review this car never talk about is that its a good aftermarket car i dont know about others but if a got a new civic it would be mainly a aftermarket car its very easy to add a turbo to them and get very good results.
We appreciate the support :) our editor in chief chooses to leave out the WRX or Evo because it is AWD. Even though, price wise it does compete some buyers do not want or need AWD which is why he sticks to FWD models. We should be reviewing Subaru and Mazda soon!
Just sweet! Glad I got one (2013 Si Sedan) in blue. Planning in changing the exhaust configuration and the intake to add up about 20-30 more HP to it. Pretty darn good Si that can compete and beat any 4-cans out there...
...well done, Honda!
Probably the best Si imho!
Loved how you did this one versus the others. Camera positioning and everything.
For a show called "2theRedline", you sure don't redline that Civic enough haha.
Now in 2022 I got one of these as my first cad and it is still one of the best things ever. It is fun and zippy just driving to school!
Would u recommend I get it? The one I'm looking at is a 2013 with 100k miles on it for $18,000
@@ya_boi_zak5927 I would totally recommend trying to get one. That seems a bit high for that many miles but I think most cars are going way high right now. If you can see if you could get one cheaper from a high volume dealership. They might mark one down because it’s a manual it idk if that trick works now🤷♂️
@@ya_boi_zak5927 as long as that one seems well taken care of then I would totally recommend getting it!!!
@@Cms-rl3wo yea that's what I thought too. It's from a dealership. I know hondas last long so I wouldn't mind paying that much. I could probably find one from a private seller for cheaper. Either way I'm getting one!
As much as I have always been a bmw fan my whole life I really enjoyed this review! Sure the si isn't the fastest car out there, but there's something about the si that one is drawn to. It clearly shows honda's racing roots and a honda engine is built to last and the sound of v-tec is music to my ears. A great daily driver car.
my parents just bought me this car for my 16th birthday and im absolutely in love with it we have some rims on it and some new racing tires which makes it grip super well 6 speed manual Transmisson all just perfect
5:40 - fuck that, never drove a manual, still bought an Si
Good, u still like it?
Nice haha! I'm thinking about doing the same. What year do you have?
Exactly! This guy is just a hater.
same, i wanted a manual
About to be me this weekend
Where are you getting $2,000 more? The cheapest Accord V6 coupe is priced at $31,140 without NAVI. The Si is priced almost $8,000 less than the Accord V6 coupe.
How did the sound system sound with it all the way up lol?
Jonathan and yWashington
i like my sound system in the 2012, has a small subwoofer in the back sounds nice
Although the Si may not be turbocharged, acceleration wise it can keep up surprisingly well with the GTI and price wise it falls right in line with the turbo competition. The Forte and tC are less expensive and cannot keep up power wise.
Redline Reviews. Your title for this video is misleading to viewers. It should say "2013 Honda Civic Si Coupe" not 2013 Honda Civic Si.
They're the same car, essentially.They just have different body styles
+Okie Rider You have WAY too much free time on your hands, don't you?
Thank you! We are extremely thrilled that you enjoyed it and how it has helped you with your decision. Have you figured out whether you wanted the coupe or sedan yet?
Again its not a TSX engine its a totally different engine WTF people.. Not the same engine the TSX uses K24Z3 while the Si uses K24Z7 engine get your facts straight.
Different heads same engine.... The block is the same a k24 is a k24.
hnnotyy lol they share the same block. Only the heads are different. So he's partially right. Also the tuning is much different.
That's really up to you, our editor-in-chief cannot drive without the satellite radio but if you don't need it than skip the navigation package entirely. Honda does offer the Sat radio as a dealer accessory but at $400 dollars, it's a pricey option again.
that's the 2012? right?
Tf is wrong with you
+Awesome Randomness Google it
+Awesome Randomness wait nvm I was talking about the 4 door not the coupe
+Richard Medina oh ok
It may be under-powered in terms of the numbers, but the lighter weight of the Si allows it to keep pace and be even quicker than some competitors. 0-60 in 6.1 secs according to most test, place it just behind a Speed3 and ST which do the same sprint in 5.8-5.9 secs.
i wish this si was awd.
DudeLore it would be so fucking amazing .
You make an excellent point, however, keep in mind American cars are built to a much higher standard today vs.10 years ago when the Neon SRT-4 was out. Reliability is still unknown for the Focus ST but it's initial build quality is much improved vs its predecessor, the SVT Focus.
2014 Si even better..
It came out yet? I can't wait lol I asked the dealer the other day n he told me he didn't know when the car will be available.....
DX LIU No end of April
Lusus420 Just a few tweeks is all.
i have a 14 si i love it.
Michael Benson I just got one last week. Traded a VW turbo Beetle which had several reliability issues and it was barely a year old . Chose Honda for reliability. I do miss the turbo though.
That window separation on the side doors near the mirrors looks like the ol 80s conversion vans the little windows that pop out lol
8th gen sounds and looks better
Your channel and review keep getting better and better!
7:18
Fail.
Mostly it is just the NAV system with voice recognition but it also rolls in XM radio as well.
Interior sounds incredibly loud.
its not at all. very quite and smoothe ride.
the b biddim I have one, lots of car noise and doesn't handle well 75+. I'll typically cruise the freeway at 80 so I notice it quite a bit. Not a bad daily driver but can't wait to get rid of it. Im glad it holds its value.
the b biddim It's not supposed to be a soft, billowy Buick for Grandma, dude lol
The rear view camera will show up in the 5 inch i-MID display when you get a model without NAVI. Choosing between these two model will be tough. Both have strengths and weaknesses based on what is important to you. Both are priced roughly the same with the Accord Sport being a bit more. Tech features are pretty close, since all the really good tech is saved for the EX and above Accords. The Civic will be more fun to drive and quicker, plus easier to park but the Accord will be more comfortable.
Everyone is different. You may think the WRX has a soft ride but others may say it's harsh. For you, the backseat can fit 3 people, someone else will say it's far too cramped. You may think the MPG is good, someone else may say its a gas guzzler. Everyone has different taste and needs, if you like your WRX, that is great. We simply state that for the majority of buyers, most will find the Si to be roomier, have more tech, get better MPG, and have a softer ride.
That's what we were thinking. While the 4 cyl LX-S Accord coupe does come very close to the price of a base Si, the Accord simply has a different mission. You need to decide which is more important for you: a comfortable, sporty looking daily driver, or a quick and high strung corner carver with a louder exhaust note. The Accord is def the more mature car but it won't be as fun as the Si to drive. It's really up to you, take both for a drive and then you should be able to make a decision.
I'm from the old school, the technique for engaging the clutch on steep hills is to use the e-brake, is tricky but it works, i never even knew there was a a" hill holding clutch".
You have to remember not everyone thinks the way you do. Sure the speed3 has way more power, but for some people it's too much. The Mazda is also 300 lbs heavier than the Si, so it needs more power. The Si has it's advantages in ride quality, fuel economy, and value while some people may dislike the styling of the Mazda compared to the cleaner appearance of the Honda. Both vehicle have their advantages, and in the end it comes down to your personal preference and needs.
Depending on how you equip your GTI it will be either a little or a lot more expensive than the Si. However, you will still notice the GTI is quicker, quieter, more luxurious, and more comfortable. The Si is louder, lighter, more fun around corners, and will have the superior resale and reliability over the VW. It's really up to you, if you want that more grown up, premium look and feel, go with the GTI, if you want more of a boy racer look with a screaming engine, go with the Si.
How firm is the suspension compared to an fr-s? I'd like something sporty that won't destroy my back over bumps like the fr-s does.
Not much more, 225 hp back then. Also, that car cost around $40 grand in 2003. Today, a new 335xi will cost you around $50 grand at least.
I like how you did this review camera wise. You should do it for all or them.. It may take more work, but it's worth it and doesn't bore the viewer
I just bought the exact model you tested same color and all, it's a great little tuner and I am very happy with the purchase Super Torquie and a lot of fun to drive.
I would buy this over the ST and speed3 but I would take a GTI/GLI over this any day. Still a pretty sweet car! And a great review!
You just listed most of the reasons why the Si is still a great choice in the segment. Sure, performance wise, the Si cannot compete with the Focus ST and Speed3 but that doesn't mean the Si isn't fun to drive in its own way. Most buyers find the handling to be sharp, combine it with the high revving engine and quick shifting 6 speed; you have a vehicle that will still put a smile on your face. Match it with Honda dependability and value and you have the reason why the Si sells pretty well.
We were comparing this 2013 Si to the 2013 Civic EX we also reviewed back in Dec. The 12 Si and 13 Si are the same in that regard.
In terms of road noise, the GTI is still the quietest. However, compared to the 2012 you drove, this 13 model is a bit quieter, you will hear more of that lovely exhaust noise more over the road noise. Is it improved enough? That's really up for you to decide, drive the new model when you get the chance :)
The current Si weighs about 2900 lbs, or roughly the same as the 2011 model.
Awsome review as always you the man lol dude you the best reviewer alive like no youtube channel does it better I enjoy watching all your videos I stay up all night just watching your car reviews keep them coming great job man seriously..
Apologies, we just meant if you don't know how to drive stick and have no desire to learn to not bother. The Si is a great car to learn how to drive stick on :)
You're comparing the price of this Si which has the optional $1500 Navigation package with a base MS3. You need to add the Tech package to the Mazda and that pushes the price up by $2500 to $27,500.
Best review yet guys the i-vtec shift lights come from the old civic type r fd2
Very nice job reviewing the Si! You touched on alot of important details people are looking for when weighing their options. *thumbsup*
Supposedly, the 13 model has thicker sway bars but we didn't really notice. Only thing we did notice was the reduced road noise.
You're channel got a lot better congrats!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey man I want to thank you for this reply considerably! It's only Sunday and I guarantee that was the best laugh I will have all week.
While they do compete price wise, the fact that they are RWD gives the vehicle a different feel. Which is not a bad thing and we don't blame people for cross shopping however, some buyers don't want RWD which is why we stick with the FWD competition.
Question. They said with the weight at 2900 pounds that makes it one of the quicker cars in the sport compact category. What is it faster than? I have a soft spot for SIs not a honda hater but honda needs to do something better. For the price it cant compete with the MS3, ST, and real SCs. When your main competition is coming from Hyundai and Chevy turbo economy micro cars (veloster turbo/sonic rs) you have a problem. They dont even mention the Si when they talk MS3, GTI, ST, mini or WRX now
We may also add an ILX 6MT to the list depending on the deal an Acura dealer will do
The torque steer on the MS3 is not excessive even in stock form with the weak OEM engine mounts. I don't do launches in my car, but say I'm rolling along after shifting out from first and I put it into second, and floor the pedal. I would feel a bit of that torque steer even with both hands on the wheel, but it never once made me feel as if it was pulling out of control. My car is now stage 2, with all 3 upgraded engine mounts, and it's gotten even better.
The 1.8 B18 motor never made 200 hp at least not in the U.S. The most it made came from the Intergra Type R at 195 hp. Impressive for sure but the old B18 motor had little torque and required high revs to get any power. While we do understand the appeal of high revs, this new 2.4L still supplies that high revving character while also giving you torque down low so the power is much more usable everyday.
So, for a daily driver in an urban area, which would you recomend. 2013 GTI or 2013 Si Sedan? I keep going back and forth on this .
Professionally done review. Starting price of the SI is only about $700 less than a '13 Accord Sport, which has 18-inch wheels, paddle shif, dual exhaust and about 10 more pounds of torque. Although the SI has a LSD and may be faster around corners, the Accord Sport seems to provide an overall better value and practicality for the money. Best package: Accord Sport and a used S2000 for the CA canyons or Rt 129 (Tail of the Dragon
was the steering hydrolic or electronic? and my fav si is the 99-00 em1 also the ep3 (euro type r) but id prefer the em1 because its cheaper and harder to find (clean title) is the new civic equally as fin to drive or better? because they bombed it on the 2012 si coupe.
That's what it's called... What would you call it then...
Yeah, you're right. Actually i tried both coupe and sedan and you have more head room on sedan than coupe. However i dislike the rear of the sedan and love the coupe more that's why i posted it on a coupe video. Congrats on your purchase, it's a good choice no matter what others people say.
Damn.
You guys do great reviews.
Not only you do a real in car test drive without cutouts, but you also give great feedback and information on the car at the same time :D
I don't regret subscribing to you guys.
The last cool civic coupe, and the last NA civic SI coupe before it goes turbo! Miss the times when Honda made powerful, small and screaming NA engines! I wish diecast car makers made these!
Yeah I used to hate Civics but only because I was judging the drivers rather than the car. And the new 2013 model was a huge update. Very affordable with a lot to offer. I'm so excited to get the car!
Any idea how the 2014 will be, is it worth the waiting or shall I just go ahead and get the 2013 instead.
If you want to see a hard acceleration clip, check out our video on our long-term ILX 6MT. It is the same power train as this Si after all :)
Very impressed with the quality of the reviews on this channel, subscribed! Nice Civic too.
Brilliant review Sofyan. Hope to see more reviews like this.
The GTI you are describing is not the same price as this. A fully loaded Autobahn model cost about $30,000 or $5,000 more than this Civic Si. While we agree, we want those premium features, not everyone does and it's why the Civic Si still sells so well.
He probably should have, but he was also using the engine breaking to help slow the car down around the corner.
sofyan, so what car are u gonna get the civic si sedan or the gli?!?!!
Do you think its a good car for someone who is learning how to drive a manual ive never drove one
I have a big question for you! Is the 2014 Honda Civic the first year when they added Hill Starter Assistance ?????
isn't the 2013 Civic free from Hill Starter Assistance??... I'm trying to find out if the 2013 has HSA...
@Kekistani Refugee Thankyou so much
I dont have any problems with mine. and what engine defects are you referring to? i was not aware of any. i was not a big fan of ford before i bought the car, test drive changed my opinion though
wow. the vehicle changed direction when you turned the steering wheel. impressive.
An excellent, comprehensive and unbiased review. I wish there were more like it.
Well done.
I'm sorry if you answered this (I did not get to watch the entire video yet) but why did they add another 3K to the price? What was the big impact on price? I have the 12 btw and it retailed for like 22K
Lots of FWD cars are very sporty, so what do you drive?
Most likely no since this coupe drives the same. However, we should be reviewing an ILX 6MT soon.
Yea same here, Si is my first car though I'm somewhat regretting it now but I still love my Si, my next car is going to be an S2K hopefully 6 months from now, looking forward to it
That Acura TSX 2.4L DOHC VTEC 4 cylinder is a fantastic sounding engine. Typical Honda, with that free revving nature and amazing VTEC sound.
Hey Sofyan can you review a 02-05 Civic Si (EP3)?
It's 2015 look it up
CaptCaaaveMaaan I own one lol...just wanna get his impression of the car compared to the RSX and other Si models.
it's proper, judging by your name and content. if you live in Scarborough or westend don't get it insurance a bitch.
+kaw kaw I live in Scarborough and owned one for about 7 months before it got into a bad accident. The insurance wasnt bad...only paid like $220/month. I plan on getting another one eventually.
KardiFan2000 that's so waste.. I lived in Jane and shoreham and Albion and finch. I recently moved to btown and my insurance went to 550 then to 790/month. With one stupid infraction. I moved out of tdot and my insurance went up like a bitch.
Never actually thought about it that way. Makes sense.
Hi it's me again ur pal in Springfield. Can you tell me how quiet this is compared to the GTI? I love the si but when i tried the 2012 model the road noise annoyed me. Please tell me how is the road noise. I know they improved it for 2013 but is it enough?
Nice Review, Several reasons for my choosing 2012 Si Sedan; Same hp as GTi Turbo, More than Fiat Abarth. Less than Speed 3 and Focus but has better usable power over more RPM than either. Best resale and better extended warranty available than any turbo car. Less to insure than turbo cars by $400 per year where I live. Almost went Ralliart but it is not available in Manual shift. So far good decision, this was an accurate test.
Thank you! Very nice upgrade for you as well :)
It's certainly not a deal breaker in me buying one of these used, but is that slight Rev Hang when you shift due to an unnecessarily heavy Flywheel, or is it the software programming for the engine?
It is programmed that way for emissions a stage one tune should get rid of it or at least most of it.
@@kakashi99908 Thanks for replying man :) That's pretty much what I was thinking too.
The flywheel in these cars is pretty light and free revving. The rev hang is very minor by modern standards and can be easily tuned out with software . The rev hang in this car is nothing like what you find in the 10th gen.
@@doctorferdinand1003 Cool! I appreciate your response, man 🚙