Bluewater Sailboat, And why not to buy one
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2023
- Bluewater Sailboat, And why not to buy one
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Great information, thanks for sharing your insight! Actually brings up a great point on (total) budget vs function/intent, and for some reason, looking at boats makes me forget that aspect. I love the glitz and glamour of the shiny new vessels, but really need to reel myself back in when seriously considering a purchase!
Since it is a lot of information, for those wanting a high-level chapter guide:
00:00 Intro
03:15 What is a Bluewater Sailboat
09:05 What You Really Need
11:25 Learning from an Example
16:30 Why Buying European Might be Good
18:00 Kraken
21:15 Need to Add Features/Equipment (quick overview only)
22:12 Bluewater Foundation
23:00 Starting Ahead of the Curve
26:15 YachtWorld Examples
30:53 Beneteau Oceanis 393 (example 1)
33:50 Bevaria 37 Cruiser (example 2)
35:00 General Discussion & Commentary
48:00 Recap
You're a legend
Absolute legend.
Respectfully disagree with you. The CE Rating is completely inadequate regardless of whether they are actually crossing oceans or not. I would never (repeatedly) cross oceans in a Beneteau. It’s not about capability , it’s not about what CAN cross oceans, it’s about what’s safe and can handle worst weather conditions. The designer of the Kraken sailboat knows what he’s talking about. A Blue water sailboat today is not a “ low cost construction - make a profit” world. Naval architecture principals have not changed - full (encapsulated) and protected keel, fully protected rudder, whether by keel or substantial Skeg and of course high displacement!
I totally, totally agree, with you, 100%.
You can trust ocean on most boats, it is a matter of weather and a bit luck
With all that is available for weather and navigation today, you should NEVER be in the worst weather conditions.
The kraken designer is a moron and it's proven by the astronomical failure of several of his initial vessels and the absoloute lack of sales in his recent ones
So the take home is you need around $200k all in to cross an ocean on your boat. Congrats if you have that kinda cash laying around.
I am a Handy Man, I am Good at a lot of stuff,always learning,researching, and the things that I know well ,I know very well and it earns my living. This is your expertise and I have listened to a lot of different people, and I can say when go to Buy a Boat I will be paying you for your Vast Knowledge....,I really appreciate your Honesty and Professionalism. I love watching your videos, You have taught me a lot, So appreciated.Thank you. sometime next year I will be in the market and I will definitely look you up...Thanx again...
Thank you so much
Definitely agree that people are crossing oceans on newer “production boats”, and it’s safe. A big question you should ask yourself is how much risk are you willing to take. Vessel type/age and the areas and conditions/seasons you are wanting to sail in. I recommend that if you’re willing to buy a starter boat, you will learn a ton! I learned a ton fixing and sailing my O’day 26. At the end of the day I hope y’all enjoy yourself on the water! Cheers
Considering your stated experience, it is hard to understanding you recommending a Beneteau or Hunter for ocean crossings. Costal cruising, island hopping, sure, lots of glitter and sparkle for a few bucks but way under built for ocean crossings.
I have owned a Hunter, lost the keel and watched the boat go out from under my feet in less than 3 minutes.
I also raced across the Atlantic, Spain to Antigua, on a Beneteau First 51. The wettest, most miserable sail of my life.
People need to work up to a blue water boat. I started with a Columbia 26, traded for the Hunter which did the Gulf of Mexico circle for 3 years before losing the Keel, replaced it with a Robert Perry Passport which made 2 Atlantic crossings with me and a circle navigation after I got smart and sold it to buy a Prout. My brother and I also owned a Swan which his son used for a Charter operation.
Why did you skip over the Prout that was in the listings? It could be the most seaworthy boat listed.
you lost a keel due to lack of maintenance, a first is a wet racing hull so that stands for its self. that Prout is a soggy 40 year old tub for the same ask as a boat half its age regardless of how great it was in the past.
As always; lots of great information, keep it up!
I love how honest you are and don’t sugar coat anything, keep it up:) everything you said is so true
A better term to measure might be if you are a bluewater sailor. Can you understand and repair the variouis systems on your boat? Do you have trades skills if you need to make improvised repairs far from shore?
That is also a very large factor when looking at a used sailboat. Do you have good mechanical skills, rigging skills, fiberglass and woodworking skills to to do most of the refit yourself, and to a high standard?
I frequently see folks in a boatyard working on a refit and they are obviously in over their head. This leads to being disillusioned, frustrated, broke and maybe a divorce to boot. Know what you know, Be honest with yourself about your abilities. Why set yourself up for failure? That said, a person with high trade skills can do a lot of the work themselves for a fraction of the cost. If you have to hire most of the work done, I suspect most of these old boats are really not worth refitting.
"You're P'n me off, potato brain". Hilarious!
Hey, where is that drone shot @16:20 ? BEAUTIFUL!
"Potato for brains..." lololololololol
Hi Chris! Fantastic video, what you're saying is absolutely true, and nowadays you encounter countless gurus who lack the necessary experience but are keyboard warriors.
I've been considering buying a boat and starting the journey, and so far, I believe your channel provides the best advice backed by real experience.
By the way, I'm interested in that guide, but I subscribed and didn't receive the Free Sailboat Buying Guide E-book you mentioned in the video. Where could I find it?
Enjoyed the video. I'd be curious about what you might recommend for lake sailing options at least in the 27 to 30-34' or so range. Right now we have a 1987 Catalina 25 as we got that to begin sailing and learning before hopefully getting a proper sailing vessel down the road. We like the 25 but we'd like more space and comfort for overnight and weekend (or longer) stays on the boat etc. I'm also fairly tall, so headroom is a concern. 6'2" or more of headroom is desired. Just like to get into something a bit newer and some of these smaller "coastal cruisers" might be very nice options for upgrading our lake boat experience.
Sorry if you're already covered something like this I'm fairly new to this channel. If you have could someone link it for me? Thank you!
Bro.
I've been studying and watching sailboat videos for 10 years..
FINALLY...SOMEONE KNOWS WTF THEYRE TALKING ABOUT...best video on Bluewater boats/coastal boats on you tube..FACT
How do you feel about the older Mason's? Thanks...
Hi Chris, Love your video's, thank you so much for your insight. You are exactly what I need to find my first yacht. I have zero experience and I obviously don't know what I don't know. I am considering the 24/7 package at some stage, not sure when, perhaps in a year. wont be ready to purchase until perhaps 2027 but I will definately draw on your expertise to help me find the ideal yacht.
Thank you thank you
Thanks!
Thank you so much
OMG...He Mentioned the Whitby 42...!!! Eeeeekkk...!! The One I Was Lurking on, Was Sold...😭😭😭
Makes great sense, ty
I have decided to buy a boat, and I will go for a Kraken 44 for delivery in 2026.
congrats
Enjoyed your term "Atticus syndrome"... very accurate.
What do you think about the Hans Christian 33T? I'm sure you'll hate the canoe stern. Just bought one for 65K with a lot of recent upgrades.
1984, 3' between LWL LOA
It's always more about you getting a vessel that works for you and your needs. My goal is really to discuss what is out there and why one may be better than another for someone. If you chose that boat and it fits your needs then that's awesome and I am super happy for you
Thanks for the response! I have appreciated your point of view in these videos and you make me laugh as well! I think sailboat data had it wrong, it seems the vessel is about 40 LOA, including the sprit and the push pit or whatever sticks out aft. I think their loa number is actually LOD. Oh well. I think it will serve. Thanks again!@@ChasingLatitudes
I got a CD 27 that needs work but has a very low hour diesel and good bones for ~$1,500. Looking at a transatlantic in ~3 months.
I'm trying to listen to you but the music is too loud
I will turn it down on next video
Merci!
Merci à vous
Nice video. However, I highly doubt Dick Beaumont has *ever* said Krakens are the only boats that can cross an ocean.
The dude paints a picture of production boats are hardly Bluewater worthy on several podcast
he has literally stated the only Bluewater vessel is a kraken, its nuts.
Quite right. In an interview with Dick Durham on the Kraken UA-cam channel, Dick Beaumont list a number of yachts he considers genuine blue-water vessels. In no particular order; Island Packet, Tayana, Bowen, Nicholson, Endurance, Contessa, Hans Christian, old "Blue Stripe" Hallberg-Rassy, old Oyster, Hylas, Rival and Bowman.
The only problem is these are all old boats! No-one - apart from Kraken - is building them like that any more because it is just too expensive. Chris is saying don't buy an old, cheap boat and then plough a ton of money into it, save your money and buy a comparatively new boat where everything works and you will not be pouring money into it for some time to come. That is pure good economic sense.
FWIW I come to this as a forrmer merchant seaman, with time on everything from a 7000t general cargo vessel to a 232,000t bulk-carrier.
As for Kraken, if you can afford one, go for it, because it will literally take you anywhere. If you can't, there are plenty of very capable yachts which can go blue-water. Do your research, know what the market price is, look for good yachts at fair prices, trust the broker about as far as you can throw a piano, left-handed, into the wind, and once you have made your decision, learn to live with its limitations whilst you enjoy its good points. Everything is a compromise.
Lady k rubber ducky might be merch. So funny
So i am considering joining your members only group. But i am still 4.25 yrs from being ready to go (wife and i need to retire first) is it too early to join your group?
Never to early, the more time you have the better
My wife and I are wanting to buy a live aboard sail boat, retire early and slowly amble round the world over a 10 year period. Obviously that requires crossing oceans so the boat needs to be safe for that but the vast majority of our time will be spent at anchor. Am I correct in thinking that a heavier vessel will be more comfortable at anchor? The newer boats that you recommend look lovely and spacious compared to the older boats but how are they for living on at anchor in terms of comfort.
heavy boats roll dramatically at anchor with the smallest waves
@@ChasingLatitudes so would it be more comfortable on a modern lighter boat at anchor
@@houstandy1009 In my opinion yes. The older vessels tend to roll dramatically with the slightest waves vrs the lighter modern vessels that tend to sit on top of the water and sway. I have never been sea sick in my life but i have came close on some older vessels and this is due to that rolling constantly . Also keep in mind modern boats such as beneteau have crossed oceans more than any other vessel ever made.
@@ChasingLatitudes Thankyou very much for the advice
How about you add a second filter for length and save us all some time. Maybe also a build year.
A Beneteau 50 Has a CE Rating of A...👀
All those big Bob Perry barbecue, and beer white bearded wanna be Captain Ron hahaha
What is the most maintenance free boat
a kayak probably ;) All sailboats have maint, the newer you get the less you will most likely have
The one on the showroom floor 😉
I always find your videos very informative. As a powerboater looking to go to the dark side one day, I'll definitely be contacting you for your services finding something that's not a dumpster.
Contraire captain, if you are a power boater you are already on the dark side. Come to the light. 🌟
@@thisoldboat7393 Hahaha one day when I don't have to navigate a dozen nautical miles in the Fraser river, I will. I miss sailing, even as slow as it is.
You have a easy way of putting things in perspective...very cool...
I chuckled at your "we are a support group" comment.
I know of a young lady sailing around the world on a Grinde 27' , so is that a "bluewater" sailboat??? 🤔
That was the most advertisements I have ever seen on one video.
So both Kraken and Hunter have Kevlar on the hull , lmao. Just another reason to love Hunter
Wow.. A lot of adds
Great advice as always !!!
Thank you Captain! Your boat knowledge is incredible, thanks for sharing. I'll be looking for a fat bottom girl to take me to Hawaii and beyond😎
Odd Life just posted a video on the cost of their boat and refit......it was outragous...paid 40K for and abandoned boat, and put 160K in refit. They just sold it for 170K? I would never buy that boat.
Exactly
Logic makes no sense. There’s no way you can predict weather three weeks out. Which means, you might very well find yourself in bad weather. Not to equip yourself with a boat rated to handle it is beyond stupid.
How many times this guy going to say the same thing lol. Racking up the run time
Another channel who bought a dumpster is Spear it animal.
…and over priced, they paid premium for that boat!
@@christopherledesma8435 Exactly. I could not believe it and I don`t know if one can trust these guys. He said on his channel, if I remember it correctly, that he was negative 5K on his credit card, than he went to Panama, looked at a boat that was over 100K, got even offered another free boat, went back to the USA, bought that lemon that they have now for around 100K with a loan from a friend🤔🤭 without a survey. That boat turned out to be a dumpster and now they renovated it for months and put a lot of money and work into it. And all of that after sailing for a long time, having owned boats.
If I would do something stupid like that, having never sailed and never owned a boat, it would be understandable, but this couple, having experience, seems just stupid or smart because of YT.
Maybe this dramatic theatre is all made up by them for clicks? Their channel grew a lot during their repairs and dramatic scenes. I guess that they are all in with around 150K with the marina fees and haul out.
GBU did something similar, put a new engine into their dumpster and basically made the interior all new while living in a condo near by and paying marina fees and the rent, so they put basically also around 50K into their dumpster. But at least they had the sense to buy a cheap dumpster and spend only 5K on it when they bought it.
Both did a great job, their boats look almost like new on the inside but for the money they put into upgrades, they could have bought very good, boats without the need of upgrades and immidiate repairs. Maybe the UA-cam income and potential grow of their channels made them do it.
I am looking at a sailboat right now, 40 years old, price around 20K, 45 feet, cool aft cabin, 2 heads, and I know from a financial standpoint it is stupid, but I would live on it hopefully for a couple of years and moore it somewere cheap on a mooring ball in Puerto Rico for 60 dollar a month and only do the repairs and upgrades on it that are absolutely necessary to keep it afload.
Very good. Thank you!
I disagree with you, I'm afraid. Yes, Kraken's way to expensive, too unrealistic to afford, but the OFFICIAL standard of what "Blue Water Sailing" is and what a "Blue Water Sailboat", is, is way, way too low, of what it should be. As I was taught in sailing since a kid, you do need, a centre cockpit, ideally a steel Hull, or a thick fibreglass Hull, a rudder protected by a skeg (which also means, avoiding twin rudders), a fin Keel (long, or ideally integrated), you should preferably avoid ketch's, be careful of roller reefing, particularly on the main sail. Yes, those flimsy French boats have crossed the ocean, a million times, but only because they appear in numbers. Taking a look, at the misinformation here, first of all, the environment of the Blue ocean while in bad weather, as set by the standards authority, is incorrectly set, too too low. Out in the deep blue, if you're caught out in bad weather, waves are never 13ft high, oh no ofcourse not. Waves are more like, 100ft high, yes you understood correctly, One Hundred Feet HIGH and that's one Heck of a Swell and more than that, those big swells, sometimes and on more than one occasion (for one man's experience), those big swells at the top, will break, that means the swell at the top, starts to roll over and crash down on top of it'self and if & when, you're caught in that, you're likely to barrel roll, thus, a fin Keel, an integrated keel, or long keel, and a minimum of 40ft long overall length, with a centre cockpit, single mast (no ketch's), is essential amongst other things, plus in an ocean that's that eventful, you're in with an unfortunate chance (mind you, a slim chance), of encountering debris, like, shipping containers, railway sleepers, etc, etc, etc and never mind whales, Orcas (which are regularly reported to be damaging yachting rudders, off of the coast, of Portugal, Morocco), thus, a strict standard, on size and design of Hull, deck design, is essential. Yes, no doubt, many more Jeaneu's and Benetteus will cross the oceans (only because of their apearences in numbers), but unless you want to struggle in the ocean, with choppy seas, etc, requirements are advised. Such purchases, if affordability is an issue, you can buy, something like a Warwick Cardinal 46, or a Gulfstar 41, or a 50ft, for about £50,000 or a 60ft for about £150,000. It's a standard that is set so low, that too many manufacturers, manufacture for Blue Water, improperly, particularly in today's sailing. Sadly, like Oysters, but there again, if you can find an Oyster (a pre 2000, the old design, with all the proper Blue Ocean design integrations), for about £500,000, pending on size, I.e; anywhere for between 45ft to 80ft.
You realize you posted responding to yourself with the same account right ? You and your multiple accounts in an attempt to make your rambling comment seem legit 🤣 I've seen some pathetic thing in life but this one takes the cake