I’m glad a logging truck is one of the first trucks you built. It will not only give you the data you need it will also push the truck to the limit. A side bonus you will finally get to hear nature on your drive up and down the mountains.
@@jimcalver-oj4xf It's called "ducking" in the radio and audio engineering worlds, reducing or cutting the music when your priority signal (two-way or an announcement) rises above a certain volume. I haven't seen these systems completely integrated but have found a few external ones. I've been looking at adding such a system to the family boat, dropping the tunes when something comes in on the marine VHF.
@@NathanielStauber As a fellow audio engineer I agree. It wouldn't be too difficult to do technically but requires radio manufacturers to do something they normally don't. You would need a special head unit with RCA inputs that had the programming to duck the music when signal from the VHF and / or CB inputs detected a signal. The problem is shipping the unit for under $1k.
@@NathanielStauber wouldn't that be quite easy to do as long as you can get the audio sources into digital form? VHF an AD hat + Raspberry Pi, set it up to like do a loop While True: If VHF goes over ___ db: Mute Apple music audio Mute Spotify audio Wait 3s Else: Unmute Apple Music audio Unmute Spotify audio And it'll already be able to play music directly which would be nice, don't need to connect stuff to any jacks But that's just my idea of it, do please correct me if I got things wrong
This is exciting to see Tolko and Peerless team up with you to make this happen. I have seen Peerless along side Whit-log trailers all my life(4th gen logging) I just shake my head when the "big" truck makers do not go the way you are. Why reinvent the wheel and make things look space age and do not work for this application and others. But it does give you the opening you have made to get this done. Been following you for a few years now and love your approach. well done guys
Front axle drive is an option on the pickup kits. At this time they are using a single motor axle on both front and rear. The rear can be upgraded to a dual motor set up. I think each motor is around 200 HP. So with a dual in the rear and a single up front you get 600 HP at the wheels. If the front can use a dual it gives you 800 HP. That's a lot of HP and a truck load of torque. I think you get about 3.5 ft-lb per HP with these electric motors. If that's right 800 HP=2800 ft-lbs of torque. And that comes in from zero rpms. These numbers are why the kits are for big pickups at least 3/4 ton. Deboss Garage is doing a kit in a Ram 2500. They installed a cat 4 cylinder diesel engine and did some testing. They are now adding the generator, batteries, rear axle, maybe the front, not sure on that and the controls to run the axles. Pretty interesting stuff. Kinda wish I had the money to get one.
This is so damned cool. I remember as a kid who grew up in a family that started with a small farm and smaller sawmill, what it was like to see things evolve. Some of the trucks we saw were amazing, owner built trucks that met their needs based on equipment, budget, pure profit, company image, and even for play. Yes, there was a bunch of dump truckers that all built their own small trucks. They would start with something like an old '56 Ford F-350, beef up the frame, put in a 4-53 Detroit, and set them up with a 4&4. One was a tandem, one had a single axle log trailer, a couple came up with air brakes, and one of the crew just wanted to sound cool and put some 'sneezers' on his truck so it would sound like he had air brakes. They were heavy on mechanics and not so much on beauty, buff and chrome. They were all cool. They would gather up logs from various clearing jobs that were generally given to them for firewood. Sometimes they had enough to make several loads of short saw logs. Those were the times when they would show up at our small mill on a Saturday. You could hear them coming up the back way to the mill which had a pretty steep grade. The last hill was so steep that it was not unusual that they would be tail heavy. I would hear a horn start honking and I knew it was time to get the farm tractor and a chain to pull them up to the top of the hill with the front axle in the air. Often these guys would make it a Saturday morning outing. They would all go load up their truck early on a Saturday morning and then show up at the mill as a convoy. You could always hear them coming. Old straight piped little diesels, grabbing gears with the fastest truck in the lead so the knew that they wouldn't get stuck on the hill. It always lit me up as a kid to see all of them come in. By the age of about 8-10 I was getting to unload them and scale the logs. They inspired me to love mechanics and be creative. I was the oldest of four brothers and the only one that fell in love with mechanics. It has become one of my greatest assets and pleasures and I owe a lot to those wildcat truckers. They will never know what a gift they were to me.
I'm so glad You guys bring back the good old iron into the game! Some real tough machinery, for sure Edison's legacy won't be forgotten as the initiator of the diesel rennisance! Also, guys search up Tournatrain. The first variant was for loggingg. You can revive this project and improve it with Your ideas. Imagine a logging truck with ALL wheel drive including trailer.
Those overland trains for the Arctic? I mean these logging trucks are already basically land trains, I think chase has already talked about having a powered trailer, which ig would mean "land train" being real
About the Tournatrain: if I remember correctly, their steering was set up so that each trailer followed the exaxt same tracks as the engine/puller. This allows one to take a corner without the trailers edging closer to the corner.
I love your approach! the fact you explain and advocate for the lumber industry and want to work with everyone to develop an end-to-end process is outstanding. It's sad this approach is "revolutionary".
I'm really happy for you guys! One note: You enabled automatic UA-cam translations. Please don't do that until UA-cam really makes it work. For some reason YT does not allow bilingual settings, so everything gets translated to german for me. The translation of you title is ... let's say "misleading". It suggests you're inventing a new internal combustion engine o_O
Western Star started out with building logging trucks, and now, Edison Motors is starting out with building logging trucks. Awesome of what you guys are doing!! 🙌🙌
With the simple electric drivetrain an 8x8 quad steer, possibly even another axle rear steer would make more sense, as it can turn way better and even has more traction
Nothing simple about an electric driveline. It will require all new technology to service and diagnose electrical issues. Imagine the hiway salt corrosion in a couple years. Gonna be an interesting journey
I'm looking forward to seeing this new truck being built from the ground up in the coming year. With plenty of live streams showing the progress being made. Hopefully with less of a panicked deadline with Topsy and less flattened arms to go with it.
@Sah-o5m This stuff is always interesting to me, because it's more fun to have old news repeated with new background than to have no news I would love if my city gave more repeat news about new trams we got second hand from Switzerland. Interesting when are they finally going to put them on streets
Cool that you are getting to build a logging truck. However, this has to be great for Tolko to get a custom built truck as well. Your point about the Diesel-electric markedly reducing fuel costs to allow mills to stay in operation longer is very telling. It's neat when your basic new idea for a truck has so many ancillary benefits. All the best.
seeing how you guys are starting with the toughest jobs for trucks gives me hope that once you guys are making good tough trucks for logging y'all can make some highway haulers to service the highways of the US and canada! id love to see edison trucks on I-5!
I really want to see a 1931 vehicle converted by Edison. I am sure it would be a small truck but it would bring Thomas Edison into it, as that was when he passed away.
I have to chuckle! Now it's me that can't get his work done, because keeping up with your Edison Posts is a full-time job! Congratulations on everything; the tri-drive truck is really cool! (need more drive, just at an axle) Developments of Rich Bosch formally joining the corporate team, and the expansion of the Deboss operation I've really piqued my interest. Doing the MoFO diesel electric hybrid conversion there seems like a natural, it's really just another subset of truck kits. I can't wait to get started working with Rich and the Deboss Garage on my project.
MoFO stands for mobile field office. The only class A motorhome designed for Overland travel and for use as a mobile field office. ua-cam.com/video/-ag81ptXEkY/v-deo.htmlsi=6d4PQ8kSINoWINSD is the UA-cam link describing the vehicle unfortunately, shortly after I completed this build, Edison Motors has come out with the diesel electric hybrid kit. I hate when that happens, but I’m definitely going for the diesel electric hybrid conversion!
Why aren't logging trucks cab over? I would have throught it would mean a shorter wheel base, which would be better for turning circle. Im really curious
This is just my limited expert opinion but what about a capover? Simply because of the higher seating position, better all-round visibility, more space in the cabin interior and above all, cabin suspension on all four corners 😅
They have a contract for 1 COE already however they have only shown a picture of it, they can’t talk about it right now but it looks like a troop carrier or something
the only negative i can find on electric timber trucks is that i grew up spending a loot of time with my dad in his truck, and i love the smell of timber and diesel XD
I'm just wondering if it would be viable to make one of the axles lift. Disable an axle and get it out of the way. Redirect more weight to the other axles when climbing back up
Yep, I was laid off from Canfor Vanderhoof and PG Pulp over 3 years due to downsizing and now closures. Canfor Houston also shut-down due to long hauls for logs.
It’s getting more expensive to get the timber as we’re having to go further for the logs. I really want to help bring those costs down. So many jobs and families depend on forestry, we need to save the industry
What if the industry sets up branch collection locations and ships the logs in by rail to the Central mills? They could even rough square up the logs to fit more good wood on a train.
You know it’s a good deal when it’s done the Canadian way. People working collectively to streamline the process for productivity and casual clothes, Tim Hortons coffee with a big box of donuts in the boardroom! 😅👍❤🇨🇦🥰☕️🍩
I will add that I suspect the main benefit of adding plugable driven trailer wheels will be for better braking and regeneration on difficult terrain, and that they'd be freewheeling the majority of the time.
Seeing the weather conditions it’s going to be used in, there are some questions… Is it going to be all wheel drive? How heavy is the truck going to be? What capacities will it have? Capacity of load Capacity of power in the battery (Ah) Capacity of range with just the battery (if everything pulls maximum power, so the minimum range) Capacity of range with battery and generator (if everything pulls maximum power) I love the design of your trucks. They look powerful, strong, massive and built to last. If I ever have the chance to drive one of your trucks, I hope it’s going to be this one…
This particular truck is not all wheel drive, future trucks might. Truck/trailer/logs max weight 65 metric ton or 143,000 lbs in Canada Trailer weight is standard. Edison diesel/electric truck weight is comparable to diesel/mechanical truck. Truck has 200 kWh batteries. Battery only with fully loaded truck up hill is less than 30 minutes. Battery only fully loaded on highway is 1,2, or 3 hours. Battery fully loaded coming down mountain will regen and refill the batteries. Range fully loaded with onboard engine/generator is like 600 miles with 10 minutes fuel up.
An idea on how to save the trailer brakes, Can you or are you already putting the electric axels on the trailers for re-gen braking? If not you could think of a hydro-pneumatic braking system or similar that can be manually activated for when the driver is coming down a hill or during re-gen
would a driven trailer ever make sense? A trailer with electric axles that connect to the truck motor control and battery, used when extra traction is required? Battery on truck only, or perhaps extra battery capacity on the trailer (extra cost and weight though)?
I'm gonna throw a vote for a tri drive awd electric truck or a twin steer awd that would be a bad Larry for hauling on ugly logging roads or even forwarding to highway trucks
Just wanted to say love your guys’ videos and what you’re doing with the company? How soon do you think before the first prototype truck will be fully built? I can’t wait to see the finished product!
So first truck was blue Carl, 2nd truck was white Topsy. Lessons learned from Topsy are being applied to the first 5 trucks that are under construction during 2025. Also Topsy is being blown apart and upgrades with production parts. We hope ,Topsy rebuild is done in March.
@ yeah I was more so wondering about timeline for when the prototype trucks for the outside companies will be completed. I know they mentioned something in an earlier video about hoping to have the EMCON snow plow truck completed in time for it to be used this winter
I'm curious how the battery charge management will work. Like, it wouldn't make sense for the diesel to charge the battery past 10-30% when you're heading uphill, that way on the trip down you can use all that weight to charge the battery from low to full instead of the diesel charging the battery on the way up at all
This'll be fun to watch, end to end. Do you have any idea how much extra energy (beyond battery capacity) you'll have coming down loaded? Is extra battery capacity going to be required for this, or will there be the "jake brake" as you suggested through th generator/engine? Thanks! Looks great
If batts are discharged to 30% at top of hill, then they will regen up to 80& by bottom of hill. Any extra energy will spin the generator to spin the engine Jake brake.
Hello. How do you think the elves get all their raw materials up at the north pole so the make toys? Santa drives the raw materials up in the off season with his semi that he calls "Santa's little helper"
So up fitter ready is actually going to be up fitter ready!Significant fuel savings, less moving parts, Right to Repair and a silent mode! Next best thing would be autodrive and the driver’s seat slid way back.
Is the front axel on these trucks a drive axel? Or does tri drive mean that only the three rear axels are powered? I don't know too much about these sorts of trucks
In the case of semi-type trucks, you really don't get much benefit from having the front axles powered unless you're driving without a trailer, because all of the weight is on the back axles.
@@BlackEpyona driven front axle helps with steering A LOT. Three drive axles, 12 tyres total that really, REALLY, want to keep going straight ahead, that's gonna be a bitch to get to turn as much as you want when it's slippery.
Hello Edison I have a legit question. Wouldn’t it make sense to put drive axels on the trailer? For me it looks like you are just pulling the tires through the mud. If you had pulling power on them maybe they could “pull” it self up from the mud. I know I would cost extra money but then you wouldn’t need as much power on the actual truck. Or so I am imagining :) Love your company and the vision! Martin from Denmark.
Chase, im confused. At the end of this video you said that fully electric won't be able to handle the duty cycle of the logging industry. But you had ordered a Tesla semi. I would think with the empty up, loaded down, if any industry would support fully ev, it would be yours. Does it not Regen enough downhill?
That's only for the hill itself. If you're just going up and down the hill all day, you might never need the generator, but if you have to travel over flat land, you don't have regen charging the batteries any more, and there's also the issue of where the nearest charging station is should you actually need it. Besides, take a look at the Tesla semi and tell me that's a logging truck. They'd have had to modify it a fair bit just to make it work.
@@LeeWinkler Regen isn't 100% efficient (of course), so it still drains a measurable amount of power over the day, and also, as the reply above me said, flat land still exists
@BlackEpyon valid. I made the assumption that most of driving was up and down, not across. But that all depends on what site, what mill, etc etc. also... Yes... Lots of plastics on the Tesla, but that was just an example because they had an order for one. Could have been any ev semi
The plan was to get and modify the Tesla Semi, but 5 years after putting in a hold and no sign of the truck Chase and them said give us our money back and we'll do it ourselves.
In the thumbnail, isn't the batery box hanging a bit low for an off-road truck? I'm concerned by what looks to me like 4 inches of ground clearance. Am I concerned for no reason?
Sounds like Tolko commissioned the build and brought in all the relevant parties. It may be a separate entity that actually "owns" the truck. Not sure.
When watching the video of an US truck turning around while logging, a Swedish truck + trailer can turn around in a smaller area, then a single US truck can do a 3 point turn.. why is not the Northern America ever going back to cabovers or in general just stop doing the long chassis for no reason to be make it easier?
What about the sustainability of the forest? Do the logging companys also seed new trees? I've seen a project were they want to use drones for seeding but it was a NGO, not a company. And do you deforestate or do you thin the forest?
Yup, the lumber industry in North America is very sustainable, they make sure they're not shrinking the forests because that's their own future they'd be hurting.
Yeah, you can always apply to be a tree planter. It’s not easy work because the loggers are nuts and sometimes they log 45 degree mountain slopes but the pay is okay and it’s a great way to spend the summer
The Scania 9 liter engine is tier4 compliant. Edison trucks are technically BEV Battery Electric Vehicles and not required to pass emissions (at this time) in Canada. This will change eventually.
I’m glad a logging truck is one of the first trucks you built. It will not only give you the data you need it will also push the truck to the limit. A side bonus you will finally get to hear nature on your drive up and down the mountains.
The hearing nature in your drive will either be awesome or completely creepy
Na, I bet they'll have tunes cranked. Maybe interlocked with the VHF radio.
@@jimcalver-oj4xf It's called "ducking" in the radio and audio engineering worlds, reducing or cutting the music when your priority signal (two-way or an announcement) rises above a certain volume. I haven't seen these systems completely integrated but have found a few external ones. I've been looking at adding such a system to the family boat, dropping the tunes when something comes in on the marine VHF.
@@NathanielStauber As a fellow audio engineer I agree. It wouldn't be too difficult to do technically but requires radio manufacturers to do something they normally don't. You would need a special head unit with RCA inputs that had the programming to duck the music when signal from the VHF and / or CB inputs detected a signal. The problem is shipping the unit for under $1k.
@@NathanielStauber wouldn't that be quite easy to do as long as you can get the audio sources into digital form?
VHF an AD hat + Raspberry Pi, set it up to like do a loop
While True:
If VHF goes over ___ db:
Mute Apple music audio
Mute Spotify audio
Wait 3s
Else:
Unmute Apple Music audio
Unmute Spotify audio
And it'll already be able to play music directly which would be nice, don't need to connect stuff to any jacks
But that's just my idea of it, do please correct me if I got things wrong
This is exciting to see Tolko and Peerless team up with you to make this happen. I have seen Peerless along side Whit-log trailers all my life(4th gen logging) I just shake my head when the "big" truck makers do not go the way you are. Why reinvent the wheel and make things look space age and do not work for this application and others. But it does give you the opening you have made to get this done. Been following you for a few years now and love your approach. well done guys
So proud of what you guys are doing in my home Province. Can't wait to see this truck being built
That regenerative braking is a game changer!
So great to see Edison teaming up with other British Columbia based companies.
Can wait to start seeing thses big rigs with a powered fron axel
Front axle drive is an option on the pickup kits. At this time they are using a single motor axle on both front and rear. The rear can be upgraded to a dual motor set up.
I think each motor is around 200 HP. So with a dual in the rear and a single up front you get 600 HP at the wheels. If the front can use a dual it gives you 800 HP. That's a lot of HP and a truck load of torque. I think you get about 3.5 ft-lb per HP with these electric motors. If that's right 800 HP=2800 ft-lbs of torque. And that comes in from zero rpms.
These numbers are why the kits are for big pickups at least 3/4 ton.
Deboss Garage is doing a kit in a Ram 2500. They installed a cat 4 cylinder diesel engine and did some testing. They are now adding the generator, batteries, rear axle, maybe the front, not sure on that and the controls to run the axles.
Pretty interesting stuff. Kinda wish I had the money to get one.
You guys are what the world needs and I mean necessity
This is so damned cool. I remember as a kid who grew up in a family that started with a small farm and smaller sawmill, what it was like to see things evolve. Some of the trucks we saw were amazing, owner built trucks that met their needs based on equipment, budget, pure profit, company image, and even for play. Yes, there was a bunch of dump truckers that all built their own small trucks. They would start with something like an old '56 Ford F-350, beef up the frame, put in a 4-53 Detroit, and set them up with a 4&4. One was a tandem, one had a single axle log trailer, a couple came up with air brakes, and one of the crew just wanted to sound cool and put some 'sneezers' on his truck so it would sound like he had air brakes. They were heavy on mechanics and not so much on beauty, buff and chrome.
They were all cool. They would gather up logs from various clearing jobs that were generally given to them for firewood. Sometimes they had enough to make several loads of short saw logs. Those were the times when they would show up at our small mill on a Saturday. You could hear them coming up the back way to the mill which had a pretty steep grade. The last hill was so steep that it was not unusual that they would be tail heavy. I would hear a horn start honking and I knew it was time to get the farm tractor and a chain to pull them up to the top of the hill with the front axle in the air. Often these guys would make it a Saturday morning outing. They would all go load up their truck early on a Saturday morning and then show up at the mill as a convoy. You could always hear them coming. Old straight piped little diesels, grabbing gears with the fastest truck in the lead so the knew that they wouldn't get stuck on the hill. It always lit me up as a kid to see all of them come in. By the age of about 8-10 I was getting to unload them and scale the logs. They inspired me to love mechanics and be creative. I was the oldest of four brothers and the only one that fell in love with mechanics. It has become one of my greatest assets and pleasures and I owe a lot to those wildcat truckers. They will never know what a gift they were to me.
DTF, is this you with the 'thumbs-up?'
Great perspective :)
I love you guys highlighting the industrial part or BC.
Can’t wait for a rotator to be Edison brand!! Would love to be the first one with it
I'm so glad You guys bring back the good old iron into the game! Some real tough machinery, for sure Edison's legacy won't be forgotten as the initiator of the diesel rennisance!
Also, guys search up Tournatrain. The first variant was for loggingg. You can revive this project and improve it with Your ideas. Imagine a logging truck with ALL wheel drive including trailer.
Those overland trains for the Arctic? I mean these logging trucks are already basically land trains,
I think chase has already talked about having a powered trailer, which ig would mean "land train" being real
About the Tournatrain: if I remember correctly, their steering was set up so that each trailer followed the exaxt same tracks as the engine/puller. This allows one to take a corner without the trailers edging closer to the corner.
@@samjubilee6593 Exaclty. It involved some primitive 1950s electronics I think.
@@RENO_K That'd be dope
I love your approach! the fact you explain and advocate for the lumber industry and want to work with everyone to develop an end-to-end process is outstanding. It's sad this approach is "revolutionary".
I'm really happy for you guys! One note: You enabled automatic UA-cam translations. Please don't do that until UA-cam really makes it work. For some reason YT does not allow bilingual settings, so everything gets translated to german for me. The translation of you title is ... let's say "misleading". It suggests you're inventing a new internal combustion engine o_O
Tolko has a genuine Santa Claus in their rank, that must be a good company 🎅😊
Western Star started out with building logging trucks, and now, Edison Motors is starting out with building logging trucks. Awesome of what you guys are doing!! 🙌🙌
With the simple electric drivetrain an 8x8 quad steer, possibly even another axle rear steer would make more sense, as it can turn way better and even has more traction
I came here to write this.
But maybe they want the new truck as similar to Tolko's current ones for ease of comparison?
I think having the rear axle of a tru drive steerable would make it much more competent on and off road.
@@dsludge8217 yeah might be, and to make it easier to get used to
@@geepuller1 surely, but it seems common to have 2 steer in front before the rear
Nothing simple about an electric driveline. It will require all new technology to service and diagnose electrical issues. Imagine the hiway salt corrosion in a couple years. Gonna be an interesting journey
Can’t wait to see this truck come together. Pretty cool you get to work with a local company that means so much to you. It’s gunna be a badass truck!
One of my first job's was in the bush in BC 1970's.. Chainsaws and skidder's were still new technology.. This Truck looks promising.. 👍
Heavy machinery for hard working men! 💪
Love these hybrid trucks, very promising.
You guys strike me as the modern day Pacific Truck!
That's the perfect look to match
Love to see the teamwork with Peerless
🍀Thanks!
Thank you for the support!
Best looking and workable tri-drive hybrid out there in my opinion
I'm looking forward to seeing this new truck being built from the ground up in the coming year. With plenty of live streams showing the progress being made. Hopefully with less of a panicked deadline with Topsy and less flattened arms to go with it.
I am sure that this will be the first of many!
Y'all are going places
@@jasonglisson1690 they drive trucks the better be going places.
Im happy to be part of this vision with my 5 wee shares !
Me watching Chace repeat the same points for 1000th time: Wow so cool!
This stuff is always new for the new watchers.
@Sah-o5m This stuff is always interesting to me, because it's more fun to have old news repeated with new background than to have no news
I would love if my city gave more repeat news about new trams we got second hand from Switzerland. Interesting when are they finally going to put them on streets
I'm so excited to finally see one of these on the road around here. Cheering you on from Armstrong!
Great company in Canada!
I like the blue one It is gorgeous. Building a truck for your local logging company is tremendous.
i love the looks of you truck, looks so bad ass old skool. i really hope this works out for you.
Cool that you are getting to build a logging truck. However, this has to be great for Tolko to get a custom built truck as well. Your point about the Diesel-electric markedly reducing fuel costs to allow mills to stay in operation longer is very telling. It's neat when your basic new idea for a truck has so many ancillary benefits. All the best.
seeing how you guys are starting with the toughest jobs for trucks gives me hope that once you guys are making good tough trucks for logging y'all can make some highway haulers to service the highways of the US and canada! id love to see edison trucks on I-5!
I really want to see a 1931 vehicle converted by Edison. I am sure it would be a small truck but it would bring Thomas Edison into it, as that was when he passed away.
The closest Edison has now in the 1938 international truck that is getting electrified
Love what you guys are doing at Edison Motors.
I have to chuckle! Now it's me that can't get his work done, because keeping up with your Edison Posts is a full-time job! Congratulations on everything; the tri-drive truck is really cool! (need more drive, just at an axle) Developments of Rich Bosch formally joining the corporate team, and the expansion of the Deboss operation I've really piqued my interest. Doing the MoFO diesel electric hybrid conversion there seems like a natural, it's really just another subset of truck kits. I can't wait to get started working with Rich and the Deboss Garage on my project.
I agree with everything. What is MoFO?
MoFO stands for mobile field office. The only class A motorhome designed for Overland travel and for use as a mobile field office. ua-cam.com/video/-ag81ptXEkY/v-deo.htmlsi=6d4PQ8kSINoWINSD is the UA-cam link describing the vehicle unfortunately, shortly after I completed this build, Edison Motors has come out with the diesel electric hybrid kit. I hate when that happens, but I’m definitely going for the diesel electric hybrid conversion!
Those renders look fantastic! All the best from GA, USA!
I look forward to the day I see Edison on North Vancouver island. Lots of HDX and P-16's still driving around still.
That’s cool as heck to see Mississippi pop up in one of your videos.
totally awesome, congrats and looking forward to this build
Why aren't logging trucks cab over? I would have throught it would mean a shorter wheel base, which would be better for turning circle. Im really curious
Pretty awesome stuff! Love the Pacific/C-500ish look!
This is just my limited expert opinion but what about a capover?
Simply because of the higher seating position, better all-round visibility, more space in the cabin interior and above all, cabin suspension on all four corners 😅
They are also offering cabover, or short hood, most companies in nortg america dont want it tho as it not common
They have a contract for 1 COE already however they have only shown a picture of it, they can’t talk about it right now but it looks like a troop carrier or something
Cabover could also be made with 2 meters shorter frame so it would be stronger and muuuch more nimble.
the only negative i can find on electric timber trucks is that i grew up spending a loot of time with my dad in his truck, and i love the smell of timber and diesel XD
Yeah. Nostalgia. In 40 years our nostalgia will just be stories about "back in my day". :(
I'm just wondering if it would be viable to make one of the axles lift. Disable an axle and get it out of the way. Redirect more weight to the other axles when climbing back up
Love to see your work.
Any value in putting an e-axle on the tail end of the last trailer? Or can you regenerate all the power you need without doing that?
Having E-axles on a Trailer would be amazing. We are happy to be working with Peerless on this build, who knows where this partnership will take us.
The German axle manufacturer BPW has an electric trailer axle called EPower
It's done overseas with a lead trailer that has a built-in power unit.
I was going to suggest the same thing. Lots of cool things happening at Edison! Too bad I can't invest...
Great news, congratulations.
Yep, I was laid off from Canfor Vanderhoof and PG Pulp over 3 years due to downsizing and now closures. Canfor Houston also shut-down due to long hauls for logs.
It’s getting more expensive to get the timber as we’re having to go further for the logs. I really want to help bring those costs down.
So many jobs and families depend on forestry, we need to save the industry
@@EdisonMotorsonly solution is plant trees closer
What if the industry sets up branch collection locations and ships the logs in by rail to the Central mills? They could even rough square up the logs to fit more good wood on a train.
Outstanding love it!👍🏽😊❤️🇺🇸
You know it’s a good deal when it’s done the Canadian way. People working collectively to streamline the process for productivity and casual clothes, Tim Hortons coffee with a big box of donuts in the boardroom! 😅👍❤🇨🇦🥰☕️🍩
Great job!
One day you'll have powered wagons with plug-in umbilicals and their own steer-by-wire for those muddy low speed maneuvers.
I will add that I suspect the main benefit of adding plugable driven trailer wheels will be for better braking and regeneration on difficult terrain, and that they'd be freewheeling the majority of the time.
@@M_GargantuaThat would also improve wear on tires and other components.
Great stuff!!
I didn't realize that Tolko worked THAT far North and hired the local talent 😅
Seeing the weather conditions it’s going to be used in, there are some questions…
Is it going to be all wheel drive?
How heavy is the truck going to be?
What capacities will it have?
Capacity of load
Capacity of power in the battery (Ah)
Capacity of range with just the battery (if everything pulls maximum power, so the minimum range)
Capacity of range with battery and generator (if everything pulls maximum power)
I love the design of your trucks. They look powerful, strong, massive and built to last.
If I ever have the chance to drive one of your trucks, I hope it’s going to be this one…
This particular truck is not all wheel drive, future trucks might.
Truck/trailer/logs max weight 65 metric ton or 143,000 lbs in Canada
Trailer weight is standard. Edison diesel/electric truck weight is comparable to diesel/mechanical truck.
Truck has 200 kWh batteries.
Battery only with fully loaded truck up hill is less than 30 minutes.
Battery only fully loaded on highway is 1,2, or 3 hours.
Battery fully loaded coming down mountain will regen and refill the batteries.
Range fully loaded with onboard engine/generator is like 600 miles with 10 minutes fuel up.
An idea on how to save the trailer brakes, Can you or are you already putting the electric axels on the trailers for re-gen braking? If not you could think of a hydro-pneumatic braking system or similar that can be manually activated for when the driver is coming down a hill or during re-gen
would a driven trailer ever make sense? A trailer with electric axles that connect to the truck motor control and battery, used when extra traction is required?
Battery on truck only, or perhaps extra battery capacity on the trailer (extra cost and weight though)?
I'm gonna throw a vote for a tri drive awd electric truck or a twin steer awd that would be a bad Larry for hauling on ugly logging roads or even forwarding to highway trucks
What about adding a powered front axle? It'd give you great traction in the mountains... and more power baby!
I’m pretty sure they’re working on it. They talked about it very briefly in one of the videos. It looked kinda like a TAK-4
@ToasterrBath that's be a really cool option, and it'd be alot easier to add
Excellent 20 point turn around!
Just wanted to say love your guys’ videos and what you’re doing with the company? How soon do you think before the first prototype truck will be fully built? I can’t wait to see the finished product!
So first truck was blue Carl, 2nd truck was white Topsy. Lessons learned from Topsy are being applied to the first 5 trucks that are under construction during 2025. Also Topsy is being blown apart and upgrades with production parts. We hope ,Topsy rebuild is done in March.
@ yeah I was more so wondering about timeline for when the prototype trucks for the outside companies will be completed. I know they mentioned something in an earlier video about hoping to have the EMCON snow plow truck completed in time for it to be used this winter
@@trickstere208 I think Edison and fans and customers all hope/expect that semi trucks 1 through 5 are all finished during 2025.
I'm curious how the battery charge management will work. Like, it wouldn't make sense for the diesel to charge the battery past 10-30% when you're heading uphill, that way on the trip down you can use all that weight to charge the battery from low to full instead of the diesel charging the battery on the way up at all
In previous videos they talked about planning out the route with load and elevation changes as part of the generator run time.
How are you're axle motors dealing with heat on these heavy haul trucks?
The generator, batteries, inverters, & axles have a glycol cooling loop for summer or heating loop for winter.
Is there any consideration into a driven steer axle on any of your builds?
So bad ass! ❤
This'll be fun to watch, end to end. Do you have any idea how much extra energy (beyond battery capacity) you'll have coming down loaded? Is extra battery capacity going to be required for this, or will there be the "jake brake" as you suggested through th generator/engine? Thanks! Looks great
If batts are discharged to 30% at top of hill, then they will regen up to 80& by bottom of hill.
Any extra energy will spin the generator to spin the engine Jake brake.
OMG...
SANTA 🎅 Is A LOGGER In The "OFF SEASON"... 😁
Hello. How do you think the elves get all their raw materials up at the north pole so the make toys? Santa drives the raw materials up in the off season with his semi that he calls "Santa's little helper"
Wait so even the rear log carriers will have E-axles? That is awesome!
They COULD have e axles on trailers, but that is in the future
Would a powered axle on the trailer for additional traction be possible?
So up fitter ready is actually going to be up fitter ready!Significant fuel savings, less moving parts, Right to Repair and a silent mode!
Next best thing would be autodrive and the driver’s seat slid way back.
I am waiting to see the first one go up a mountain and back with a load of logs. Seems like it's time.
Dude, the 'industry' is gunna merk ya. Be careful, keep eyes on your six.
Is the front axel on these trucks a drive axel? Or does tri drive mean that only the three rear axels are powered? I don't know too much about these sorts of trucks
In the case of semi-type trucks, you really don't get much benefit from having the front axles powered unless you're driving without a trailer, because all of the weight is on the back axles.
@@BlackEpyona driven front axle helps with steering A LOT. Three drive axles, 12 tyres total that really, REALLY, want to keep going straight ahead, that's gonna be a bitch to get to turn as much as you want when it's slippery.
Any plans for distributed power? I meant traction not only in the truck but in the trailers as well
Yeah they talked about it for a while but I think they decided there is no practical application as other machines can do that better
Regenerative breaking should improve service brake life and reduce that maintenance cost by extending brake pad life.
Can you also make the tractor a AWD for mud and snow conditions? 😊
You say that the turning circle is a problem sometimes, why not shorten the wheelbase and place the engine under the cab?
Take a look at the size of a cat c7 and look how tall it is with the oil pan. You'll break the pan by bottoming out before you ever be able to do that
@ that mag be true but won’t they be using a Scania engine?
@@jochemhoogantink8075 they have a work in progress contract, but even then its about the same height if not taller than a c7
Hello Edison
I have a legit question.
Wouldn’t it make sense to put drive axels on the trailer?
For me it looks like you are just pulling the tires through the mud. If you had pulling power on them maybe they could “pull” it self up from the mud.
I know I would cost extra money but then you wouldn’t need as much power on the actual truck. Or so I am imagining :)
Love your company and the vision!
Martin from Denmark.
When a truck is going down a snowy or muddy track, does re-charging slow the truck enough to not use brakes?
Yes. Regen works just like brakes
Chase, im confused. At the end of this video you said that fully electric won't be able to handle the duty cycle of the logging industry. But you had ordered a Tesla semi. I would think with the empty up, loaded down, if any industry would support fully ev, it would be yours. Does it not Regen enough downhill?
That's only for the hill itself. If you're just going up and down the hill all day, you might never need the generator, but if you have to travel over flat land, you don't have regen charging the batteries any more, and there's also the issue of where the nearest charging station is should you actually need it. Besides, take a look at the Tesla semi and tell me that's a logging truck. They'd have had to modify it a fair bit just to make it work.
@@LeeWinkler Regen isn't 100% efficient (of course), so it still drains a measurable amount of power over the day, and also, as the reply above me said, flat land still exists
@BlackEpyon valid. I made the assumption that most of driving was up and down, not across. But that all depends on what site, what mill, etc etc. also... Yes... Lots of plastics on the Tesla, but that was just an example because they had an order for one. Could have been any ev semi
He has said he planned to modify it
The plan was to get and modify the Tesla Semi, but 5 years after putting in a hold and no sign of the truck Chase and them said give us our money back and we'll do it ourselves.
How do they unload the quad axle trailer once they get up the hill? Just pick it up with the excavator that will be loading the logs?
yes
Realistically how large of a diesel tank does a logging truck need? Should only need diesel for the uphill
Normal log truck has about 70 to 100 gal cap in the pnw
Are the front axle going to be a drive axle as well?
Not on this truck
In the thumbnail, isn't the batery box hanging a bit low for an off-road truck? I'm concerned by what looks to me like 4 inches of ground clearance. Am I concerned for no reason?
hey, i am not sure, did they mention for which company they're building the thing?
Sounds like Tolko commissioned the build and brought in all the relevant parties. It may be a separate entity that actually "owns" the truck. Not sure.
Nice.
How do you train the driver to use the truck or is this a non-issue?
More or less a none issue. Hop in, turn a key. Release breaks and put in drive
What percentage of haul costs are fuel?
Great question.
When watching the video of an US truck turning around while logging, a Swedish truck + trailer can turn around in a smaller area, then a single US truck can do a 3 point turn.. why is not the Northern America ever going back to cabovers or in general just stop doing the long chassis for no reason to be make it easier?
What are the smoke stacks for
Edison electric trucks have a small diesel engine under the hood to increase range
Thorlakson sound so Nordic, they got that Nordic herritage maybe?
What about the sustainability of the forest? Do the logging companys also seed new trees? I've seen a project were they want to use drones for seeding but it was a NGO, not a company. And do you deforestate or do you thin the forest?
Yup, the lumber industry in North America is very sustainable, they make sure they're not shrinking the forests because that's their own future they'd be hurting.
Drones for reseeding. Thumbs up.
Yeah, you can always apply to be a tree planter. It’s not easy work because the loggers are nuts and sometimes they log 45 degree mountain slopes but the pay is okay and it’s a great way to spend the summer
I was thinking that they could use a portion of their new site as a tree nursery. Be good to give something back.
Is it going to have an emissions engine?
The Scania 9 liter engine is tier4 compliant. Edison trucks are technically BEV Battery Electric Vehicles and not required to pass emissions (at this time) in Canada. This will change eventually.
If I had a million bucks I would invest in you.
What happens when you regen the battery to 100% and you still have a downhill to deal with? Dynamic brakes?
They can spin the generator up and throw on the Jake brake
If I recall, it uses the engine brake on the generator.
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What's your ideal timeline to deliver this truck?
Prob 1 yr while waiting on parts and testing