DJI Osmo Pocket part 2 but theres Jitter and i realise thats my settings
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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2018
- Here is a second part of the DJI Osmo Pocket camera
I changed a few settings and went out and about on 25th December
the video was much better than my previous video but I am still getting some Jitter when the gimbal pans. I now realise thats framerate problems when editing. the Dji is 30fps and the gopro is 25fps (cannot switch it to 30 but i think thats a Pal NTSC thing) then editing seems to screw things up and brings in jitter.
However I am still happy with the camera and it has some amazing qualities. I just need to do some investigating and learn from the professionals on youtube.
here is a link if you want to purchase one
click.dji.com/AEDcfrDajXOybN4...
*all music in this video was composed and played by JEM: Jason lee , Eddy Deegan , Markus Fuller 2018
Thanks for the update. Mine is in the post and can't wait to try out!
Really enjoyed the video, Mark. Very stunning visuals! :)
Thanks Thomas. happy new year
Beautiful video and music. Merry Christmas Markus!!!
Thank you Veronica. happy new year :-)
As others have eluded to, the jitter is due to the shutter speed/frame rate combination. When shooting on auto outdoors, the camera will jack up the shutter speed to account for the bright light. When you have high shutter speeds it causes a “stop motion” type jitter. As a rule of thumb shutter speed should be double your frame rate, ie. 1/60 for 30 FPS, 1/50 for 24 FPS, etc. Even in pro manual mode, though, this probably won’t be doable in bright daylight until they release the ND filters for the camera. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for that info. Im looking into this more closely and see i have several problems.
Nope. Osmo Pocket has this problem. Nothing to do with the 180 shutter angle. Something is wrong with Osmo pocket panning
@@mastixmastix I totally agree man. This sucks. I've followed the 180 shutter rule - 4k 24p 1/50 with Polar pro ND filter but I still get the jittery video.
Very simply oh wow
Markus, I like your videos in any way you produce them -- because I like watching and learning from you and listening to your awesome music -- and that to me is the whole point. Folks like you -- who work with and explain equipment -- make UA-cam a valuable asset for me. My videos suck compared to yours, LOL!
And yes, I enjoyed watching your test video footage as well. I know you have a goal in mind, and I hope you can achieve it.
Thanks for making the videos and music!
clydesight Thank you clydesight, you should see my early videos they are terrible and they are all on here just to remind myself to keep on trying all the time and over the long run they get better but I always want to try and make them better. I’m pleased you like the music, very often more time goes into making the music than making the whole video.
Great Jam, Marcus and friends 😉😀
Thanks LarsDF!
hey can you tell me about the 1080p 120fps...can you record 120fps and play it back without it being slowed down? I was thinking if it saved the video that way then I could use twixtor to slow it down or is the 120fps 1080p video slowed down automatically creating just the 1 slow motion video clip?
Hey, witch fps do you prefer when i shot a 4k travel / cinematic video? 24, 25, 30, 50 or 60? And what is the different?
Sometimes devices are not free of design flaws. I remember having bought a Panasonic Full HD TM700 camcorder back in 2010, the first consumer device capable of 1080p @60 FPS. It had a floating lens O.I.S. system (Optical Image Stabilization) that was later found to be slightly jittery when the camcorder was pointing down, and also when O.I.S. was turned off. The next model that came out the following year had a different O.I.S. system that corrected this behavior. From what I've been able to gather, the electromagnets that controlled the floating lenses positioning weren't strong enough to account for the total weight of the floating lenses unit, and some undesirable hysteresis movements artifacts occurred in some situations. Maybe the next version of the DJI Osmo Pocket might perform better ?
AlainHubert Hi AlainHubert yes I remember the floating lens problem, trouble is I have soom some magnificent video from other youtubers using this camera that I think maybe im still doing something wrong in the settings ?.
What changes did you do? Setup in pro and removed the phone? DR seems fine.
It'd be nice if DJI made their products "modular" so you can remove the cameras - as I've got a Spark and the camera on that is pretty much identical. Probably been said already, but the panning jitter would significantly improve if you use the highest framerate on your camera. According the DJI specs - it can do 60 fps at 4K and 120 fps at Full HD.
I'm sure all the other ideas are better than mine but I might as well throw it out there. Is there any stabilization in that camera? Turn it off and see if it is less jittery. I have that problem on my old camcorder. Still loving the music! Nice Jem-jam.
Scott Rogers Hi Scott im still not sure if theres simething i have not setup correctly with it yet, maybe im using the wrong framerate or something obvious that i have missed ?.
@@markusfuller Maybe it's just Screwdriver Time!
The walking down the pier.... what frame rate was the camera set to? I see this a lot with dji footage. The jerkiness seems to be caused by the frame rate not being the same as the video frame rate.
Even 23.98 to 24fps can make it judder.
Thanks Clive I found my mismatch. I will delete this video and render it in 30 as i have found my mistake.
Footage quality looks great Markus, still seeing frame rate issues though, guessing this is happening in the editing software. Can you upload a clip directly recorded from the osmo ? No editing.
I bet Osmo was recording at 30fps, but the UA-cam clip is rendered at 25 ...
fxsmdlp Something like that is my guess.
Hey, take us through your shop someday!
I really would love to know why your videos have the yips every time you pan the camera...actually it does it all the time, just going down the road, skips frames a lot
Iv looked at alot of footage of this camera recently. Seems like the video editing software looses alot of quality compared to raw footage iv seen
Footage looks great. I think about all the reviews I have seen so far the only thing I don't like is the sound form the mic is not the best for this camera.
It's a follow up. So where's the original video??? Do i have to go digging through all ur video library. Would be helpful if u out your original video in the description
Good video 1 and 2 nice comments ABOUT THE bbc WILL ONLY WATCH THE WEATHER FROM NOW ON
Yes I enjoyed the BBC christmas day output. I also enjoy BBC 1, 2 and 4 TV, BBC radio, all paid for by the license fee. Thanks for asking.
The image quality is great, but the stuttering is still there. I don't think it has anything to do with the servo tracking, because it happens when the camera is still - objects moving in front of the stationary camera stutter. This is generally indicative of mismatched framerates (this effect is commonly called "judder").
what is that rod-tower with shiny toroid on it?
That's the i360 - britishairwaysi360.com/
What brand & speed is your SD card?
Hi LektroiD its my fault not the camera, seems my gopro is 25fps the osmo is 30fps and the editing software is 29.97. I really need to get into this and sort things out.
Hi, that would certainly cause it, if the two devices are mismatched within the same video you're basically giving the software a hard time. I run all my cameras at 60fps for the smoothest framerate, and match the software for rendering too. Seems perfect for electronics/workbench stuff (EEVBlog records at 4k/60 if you want to see what that looks like).
I think most TV now is not what it used to be, mainly all shock and awe American rubbish crime series or crappy new style “comedies” or the worst of all and cheapest for the Beeb and other channels, reality and lifestyle TV. I have not owned a TV since 1999, am quite happy to watch all the stuff the Beeb and ITV put out in the 70’s/80’s and 90’s with the things like Lewis and Endeavour thrown in from this century on UA-cam or the net on my computer. Here on Austria it’s largely the same. Rubbish lowest common denominator TV.
They are targeting younger audiences who have the attention span of Nats which is why the modern tv works as it’s sound bite and opinion over substance and depth. Oh and of course we have youtubers like you who have replaced the likes of tomorrow’s world and the great egg race for intelligent tech stuff. Thanks Markus, happy new year to you and Jason.
Markus how do I buy your music?
Happy you like it Carl - currently it's not formally available as we just recorded some jam sessions, but that said we'll be doing many more and we have some other plans too. Have a taster: soundcloud.com/eddy-deegan/jem-session-10 :-)
Carl Richards Hi Carl check out Eddy’s reply . they are jam sessions at the moment but we will be working on something soon.
What is ur video edit workflow? Maybe jitter is from post...?
predatorzg Hi I am using final cut pro but yes maybe i have something set incorrectly as other youtubers are getting some amazing results from this camera. I really need to dig deep to figure out what i am doing wrong.
was the hotel from the 1986 bombing in those shots or has it been demolished?
Hi Chloe yes the hotel is still standing it was repaired and it is still in use.
www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.8210054,-0.1472381,3a,75y,2.53h,102.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqacL7qwNlwCZl2UKCgz9Nw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (the scaffolding in the pic has nothing to do with the bombing btw)
I just went out and purchased my Osmo pocket. I am in the United States and was able to easily go to the "Osmo Sheild" web page after using the CR code. FYI, it extends the warranty for an extra year and costs $29 USD. According to the web page, it covers accidental hardware damage. Useful for some, but I skipped it.
I'm sure you will eventually fix the jitter which is almost certainly due editing it on your PC, and when you post the method you used to correct it then that video, and the previous ones will be very useful to people who are having similar problems. I remember when I first got my DJI phantom 4 drone all my footage was horrible, it was only after I watched a youtube video did I realise it was because I'd left the gimble lock on, if it hadn't been for someone posting it on youtube I might have returned my drone thinking there was something wrong with it!
Thanks Conrad it seems the framerate when editing is the problem. Im looking into it.
looks like 25/30 or 24/30 fps jitter to me - it stutters a few times a second which makes sense as you'd be dropping or doubling up on a frame a few times a second when converting between 24 or 25fps and 30fps or vice versa.
yes it seems my gopro is 25fps the osmo is 30fps and the editing software is 29.97. I really need to get into this and balance things out.
@@markusfuller What editing software did you use? I've shot at 24 fps at 1080 and had no problem--different camera though. I do have the OSMO P but have not put anything together yet.
It’s looks mostly frame rates not matching. The Pocket shoots great in 24fps by the way. Your editing software should have a general start at 24fps
Camera settings must still be wrong, theres still a lot of gitter, check you frame rate and shutter speed, if recording jn 30fps, use 1/60 shutter speed.
If you have the right camera settings and still have gitters, it is the editing software. One thing i noticed is it could be your editing software, the frame rate does not match, when panning you see it more. What are you using edius or premiere or final cut, in edius frame rate is very important or you"ll get gitters when panning, specially when yhe camera does not have 29.97 exact frame rate for 30fps, you"ll have this problems, try using premiere.
Hi James. yes it seems the unit is 30fps and the gopro at the beginning does not have 30fps option then everything says 29.97 in final cut pro. I am trying hard to match everything up but nothing seems to match anything else (at the moment)
im not familiar with fi9nal cut, premiere has better sync with any irregular frame rate cameras, edius on the other have has sync issues when the camera does not keep the frame rate exact the footage becomes interlaced like, also make sure the project is progressive in the settings
No . It is the Osmo pocket that jitters. Nothing to do with shutter speed.
Not sure why yours is jittery mine is silky smooth. 😀
Hi Markus, Very cool music. I need to say info I posted recently on USB-C audio adaptor was unfortunately not correct. Sorry..... I regret to inform you, the information I posted regarding the USB-C to 3.5mm audio jack is incorrects. Testing at an extreme distance revealed that the on board mic is active the external mic is not. Sorry. Your panning problems may be micro sd card (drop frames) also low frame rates may be an issue.
Thanks Ron. I will lok into that a bit more. yes the framerate thing is my problem i am going to remake this video up and remove this one.
I'm a bit new(ish) to editing, but what I have learnt so far is you need to match the FPS (frames per second) of the camera (Osmo) to the FPS for exporting. Have a look at this video: ua-cam.com/video/9VWlS53YJoc/v-deo.html
You’d think they would ship it with the optimum settings already as the default. Lol
yes it seems my gopro is 25fps the osmo is 30fps and the editing software is 29.97. I really need to get into this and sort things out.
I’ve looked at lots of UA-cam Pocket vids and this is definitely not right.
yes its my fault not the camera, seems my gopro is 25fps the osmo is 30fps and the editing software is 29.97. I really need to get into this and sort things out.
Judder might be a slow SD card. This cam runs at 80-100mbps. Either that or edit workflow. Not seen this in other videos
The 3rd Egg Hi the card is class 10 exactly as DJI states for this camera. I think i may have some settings incorrect on framerates maybe in final cut pro. i think i need to look deeper into this as other youtubers are getting some great results from this camera so it must be something I am doing wrong.
I have seen it on many osmo pocket videos
@@markusfuller Hi, card must be U3 V30.
the footage looks really blurry and has jitter / inconsistent frametimes. check your settings and hardware, im 99% sure its not youtubes or DJI's fault.
gamerpaddy Hi gamerpaddy yes it must be framerate or something as I have seen brilliant footage from other youtubers with this camera.
@@markusfuller I suspect something is going wrong in post-processing. But since I have no idea what your post-processing consists of I could be completely wrong. Is it possible the cam is shooting 30fps and your software is trying to convert it to 25fps in post?
The UA-cam video is running at 25fps. The recording is 30fps. Somewhere there is a down conversion, most likely at editing, to 25fps. There is always some amount of jitter introduced(repeated frames, or jumps), with this type of conversion but some software/plugin can do a better job. If possible, set the recording to 25fps.
It is 100% DJI fault. This camera jitters in panning mode. With 60 fps is not so obvious as with other frame rates but I guarantee you it jitters.
Suspect warranty extension card is for USA where a period of 90 days is typical, in EU all consumer electronics must have a 2 year warranty so that may be reason they say not available in UK. Then again if the BREXIT madness goes ahead, the EU directive on consumer electronics will no longer apply!
Video Quality still doesn't look very good; not smooth at all.
SublimatedIce I think its my problem not the camera. possibly framerate mismatch. other youtubers are getting some incredible footage from this camera.
Need better sd and record at 60fps to avoid jittering I'm supposed