It baffles me how I can use TFL tube lines, pay TFL fares and end up in Essex if I want to. Yet people from south east London and Kent are paying ridiculous amounts of money(more than TFL) to southeastern for old trains and an awful service.
TfL wanted to take over South Eastern's inner London services but the government didn't allow that. Your best hope is for Labour get into power again soon.
Woolwich is fine - has DLR and Elizabeth line as well as national rail but agree with Catford and Bromley. More important is actually getting Thamesmead on the map
What is still missing for me is connections from the North to the South via routes that dont force you into the city centre first. Imagine if they extended the overground line from Romford to Upminster to go all the way to Dartford, for example. That might well take traffic away from the M25 and th Dartford crossing in that area. The whole of the East and South of London is poorly connects except to the city centre.
@@ymodnar The overground is too central. I’m aware of it’s existence since I used to live in Islington and work in Richmond. I’m talking an outer circle line which roughly follows the London inner ring road
Meet the proposed Crossrail 3. Bascially plans this but it isn't very concrete at all :/. Crossrail 2 is already uncertain after overrunning costs of first Crossrail. Give crossrail 3 a search but yeah no promises but it would be a great line taking over parts of existing national rail
@@abderian2399 lol, it’s nowhere near comparable to Central Line. I’m talking about east west direction going through central London of the south of the Thames
@@abderian2399 all the lines that are on the south of the river lead up to north, so you have to go around to get from one side to another on the south of the river, besides there are many areas where you have to walk for miles before getting to a tube station even just a south of river
Weren't there actually plans to include the local metro services of the national rail 'franchises' into the Overground? Feel like, this plan needed to have been integrated here.
@@Bopper_ but it would help with navigation. Right now if I were new to London, and I looked at the TfL map, I would think that I can’t get anywhere in south London. But Southern, southwestern, and southeastern run really extensive and nice suburban services. The map needs to show this
@@xander1052 south is underground in my view its the west side that's outside, I visited both side the west seem to be outside railway. I could be wrong.
There is so much more potential for trams in South London it seems like it's being wasted in favour of blockbuster projects like crossrail that will take decades to come to fruition
Would be really good if an M25-type underground was built. That would connect North London stations in a kind of ring, similar to the overground but forming the ring further out for the subs.
Nah the demand would not justify the cost. There’s low demand to go from small economy areas to more small economic areas, and even if someone wanted to, for example go to Croydon, it would be a lot quicker to take a train that cuts through the city than circles around it.
@@emadtalukdar6340 Although it would reduce congestion on inner city trains and shorten travel times. I guess it would also reduce traffic as fewer car journeys. But yes there isn’t high economic demand true
@@emadtalukdar6340 but people still travel from north to east / south to west and it’s inefficient to have to travel into the city to travel back out again
@@emadtalukdar6340 I disagree, I think with travelling there is a huge need for people to get to the main airports without needing to go in to London just to get back out of London.
@Dan SouthLondon There is already a Circle Line and it's yellow, so use dark yellow and name it the Outer Circle Line. The original line could be called Inner Circle Line.
You forgot that the Northern line is splitting at 2023. A TfL document from 2015 proposes the Northern line will be split by April 2023. There's even a map showing where the lines will go. TfL believes that it can run up to 36 tph with this split! Keep in mind, this is with the Camden Town upgrade. If they don't manage to upgrade Camden Town it'll be operationally challenging.
@@francisrogers9824 I'm not sure if there is a date, but there is a remodeling animation for it: ua-cam.com/video/QFBhmlhOn_4/v-deo.html This guy actually makes a lot of CGI animations for remodeling stations.
What's the percentage of transport projects that have been completed by their projected date? 5% probably. Crossrail, tram extensions, rail lines, stations...they're always at least a year late and usually more. The Piccadilly line was meant to have new signalling and trains by 2024. The new trains are now 2025 and will probably be later, the signalling won't be done til at least the end of the decade.
Ok so I live out east in London. This is the first I've heard about a CR-2 extension to Grays & Basildon and I am now bricking it. I hope this happens cause it'll make my journeys so much easier
@@Jwm367t And another 10 more years if you count starting the project, getting people and the council to approve of it, tackling enormous amounts of paperwork, navigating the problems presented with Crossrail 1 and finding available land for a platform in St. Pancras, the busiest and most complex part of the operation.
I dont know why, but extending Elizabeth line into Medway (Strood,Rochester,Chatham,Gillingham and Rainham) would be quite logical although to be fair, Medway is pretty extensively connected to London already, though it could benefit with services to Heathrow potentially
Extending the Elizabeth Line in that direction would involve running it on already existing tracks, converted for Crossrail usage. It would be improving the existing services, and many stations might be rebuilt/improved, but likely won't involve new tracks - from my understanding, at least.
I disagree, we have overground trains into the city and you have to then get in the underground. Compared to the rest of London, the underground connections to the city are seriously lacking. Would be good to get an underground service, much like the Central does for Epping Forest on the other side of the Thames.
@@1990SammieJ The tube won't go all the way to Medway. That is what Crossrail is for, serving the outer towns and cities (such as Reading, Shenfield and Epsom) that are out of reach for the tube
I’d personally extend the DLR, from Thamesmead towards Barking Riverside and Dagenham Dock, a revitalisation of the old plan, but still making connections to Thamesmead.
The North desperately needs a line to connect all of the branches sprouting out. To travel from High Barnet to Edgware, you have to go all the way into Camden and back out again.
I would be surprised if Crossrail now extends to Gravesend, with London Resort very much on its last legs and likely to have the plug pulled completely within the next 12-18 months after losing the support of multiple key stakeholders. Regarding the DLR Tower Gateway closure, I think much will depend on what ends up happening with nearby Fenchurch Street station and how that is rebuilt or whether a completely new and re-sited Fenchurch Street station is required.
I'd make a few extensions. Firstly out of North Greenwich an extra jubilee branch calling at West Silvertown, Woolwich Arsenal, Thamesmead West, Abbey Wood and Thamesmead East
Well to be honest the Bakerloo Line is planned to be extended to Lewisham and down to Hayes and yes the Metropolitan Line extension to Watford Junction which should still happen. Maybe the Victoria Line could extend from Walthamstow Central to South Woodford and from Brixton to Croydon. And perhaps London Overground or TfL Rail could take over the West Ealing-Greenford branch line using Class 230 Battery-Hybrid trains. Plus not forgetting Crossrail 2 that is also planned and HS2 to Birmingham Curzon Street and Northern England once phase 1 and phase 2 is completed. And I can see the Elizabeth Line extended to Gravesend which could happen. London Overground extension to Barking Riverside and possibly to Abbey Wood. And the DLR extension to Thamesmead, Abbey Wood and possibly to Dagenham Dock. This is why London’s transport is ever more growing.
The Victoria is the most overcrowded line. Extending it would make it even worse. IIRC, the Greenford branch has relatively short platforms. It wouldn't be economic to do crazy things to extend them just so the few people that use the line don't have to change trains.
Indeed. Also I would like say that Crossrail 2 is not likely going to be extended to Basildon and Grays. As the c2c line via Basildon and Grays is already full and c2c won’t lose the Fenchurch Street-Grays via Barking service.
There was also a proposal of the Victoria line to Leytonstone and Edmorton Green and to East Croydon. There were also planned for the Waterloo & City to Finsbury Park
Amazing as always! You should do Milan next, there are plans to double its current metro length by 2040 with new lines and the current ones being extended. Suburban lines are as much interesting as the underground and tram ones!
I would have loved to have seen the Elizabeth Line get a station at Bluewater shopping centre. It runs close by to it and would generate massive amounts of ridership
good god, more shoppers on the liz line is definitely not what we need.. it is absolutely wild seeing these 200m long trains full to the brim with people! need a train every 2-3 minutes at some hours before we encourage more people on :P
I think the tram system should head round and connect to lewisham meaning that it connect the area of London with very few stops around the square inbetween the northern line and the overground Also by doing this it would connect the district, northern, overground, DLR are if they are smart with the route it could also connect to the Victoria line
I find it mad that south of the river gets more or less nothing. Going across requires you more or less go into london, then back out again. Could really do with a few more connections..
No, the Bakerloo line should go to Camberwell too, furthermore, The Victoria Line could extend to places like Sydenham The Circle Line could add an extra loop from High Street Kensington to Hammersmith The W&C Line should turn into another part of the DLR The District Line could extend its Ealing Broadway and Richmond branches to a loop at Windsor
The other metro system (not run by TFL) is 8 times larger covering the entire metro area. When you lay this over the top, it is only topped byTokyo. I sit here in NYC and we are light years behind London.
@@evolutionxbox I don't know what you call it but there's two maps. One for inner and one for the outer suburbs. I travelled it extensively. London has an entire system the pre-dates the London Underground. It was later merged and now has private companies running it all. Like NYC it goes beyond the ridiculous false boundaries set decades ago that London (like New York) outgrew. London's system covers the suburbs of Southeast England too. They are way ahead of New York. The system is huge. The Tube only covers a section of London north of the river and a tiny bit to the south, so mostly the core and inner suburbs with one or two exceptions that were converted from standard rail. We know now that London will never build another Tube like the others as they are going for the faster, longer and larger systems like Crossrail in future that will cover the area that is London in all but name. As an american, it was clear to me after so much time there that London's boundaries are ridiculously out of date too. The suburbs of London are as large as the largest US cities and only rivalled by NYC. London has suburban lines that have this low density suburbia that has grown along them and between right down to the south coast. It made me laugh when some Londoners said they were "going to the country" - they meant the suburbs! There was no functional countryside where they went where the farms were being eaten up by low density housing with traffic jams in the evenings. The rail system I'm talking about serves all of those suburbs.
@@richardwills-woodward5340 you mean the railway network? It's especially noticeable in South London because it runs in these giant corridors to the big hub stations like Clapham Junction, Victoria, Waterloo and London Bridge that connects lots of the South East like Surrey, East Sussex and Kent to central in under 75 minutes. The lines goes up onto brick built archways and viaducts when you start to get into zones 3 and 4 of London, that's possibly why you think it's more like a metro. In terms of train frequency actually these days it's sort of used that way admittedly, and they are trying to get the frequency of trains on some commuter lines up to 10-12 trains an hour so it "feels" more like a metro system.
But, unlike London, you can catch a New York subway 24/7. Try getting being a shift worker in London… getting crammed into a bus with 100 other people on their way to Heathrow
Once the Clapham Junction bit of the Northern line opens, the Northern should be split in two. It's made of two branches throughout most of it's length. In fact, the Overground and DLR should also be split on the map into their respective lines.
Agreed. Clapham Junction after Crossrail 2, Northern Line, and the proposed Crossrail 3 will basically become one of the busiest and largest stations in Europe, and will probably need an entire revamp.
Can't see the Central Line going to Uxbridge, and with Elizabeth Line going to Heathrow nor the Central Line being extended there but I can see the Bakerloo Line extension into SE London, perhaps Elizabeth Line to Ebbsfleet. There is no need to extend Elizabeth Line to Medway just to link it with existing services at Ebbsfleet. There was once a suggestion to extend Jubilee Line to take over one branch of the Central Line beyond Leytonstone. Thameslink should be upgraded and added to the TFL then included on the Underground map, it's status is similar to Elizabeth Line. Some have suggested an outer circular line linking the many branches of existing services, this needs futher exporlation as it merits being done. To some extent this could use existing tracks, but will need some new infrastructure too with the existing being upgraded and a better service.
Croydon, in my opinion, needs a tube line ASAP. Those trams we have can only go so slow and the only TFL service connections it has is overground in west Croydon and district in Wimbledon.
Sunday 18th February 2024, the London Overground has been extended to Barking Riverside, Elizabeth line is fully opened from Reading/Heathrow to Sheffield/Abbey Wood, London Overground has been renamed to different names for each branch, and the Thameslink has now opened a new station as Brent Cross West, let's see what happens next🤷 (Note that the events weren't in chronological order)
What I would suggest: - North extension of victoria line from walthamstow to hainault using the current central line shuttle and closing roding valley station to make work for a portal tunnel beneath. - South extension of victoria line from brixton to crystal palace with stops at loughborough junction, north dulwich, dulwich park, sydenham hill. - Bakerloo line extension to bromley north via the current planned lewisham route + taking over the tracks that used to be used to run the bromley north through services. - Northern line to Clapham Junction is needed, and by all senses of the word's meaning, logical. - Elizabeth line extension to Dartford only, and not beyond. As a resident of that area I cant really see the need for an extension beyond that point. - DLR extension to Thamesmead as mentioned, and potentially to barking riverside on a low level set of platforms/tracks, linking across the river much easier. - Finally, a hot take. Close the new cross branch. Built a new set of platforms at New Cross Gate. Divert thise routes there. - Even hotter take, have a separate map for "surface" rail networks such as Elizabeth Line, DLR, and Overground, Rebrand them ALL under the same bracket like the underground. Have orange doors on all the rolling stock, but in similar fashion to the underground, different colour grab poles and line colours for DLR, Elizabeth line, all the seperate overground lines. That way colour use wouldn't be an issue. And each surface level of transport will be separated into its own thing.
There should be something that goes from northwest London to southwest London. But not from extreme northwest London. I'd say somewhere like finchley Road would be an ideal place for it to stop at In North West london and somewhere like Richmond in South West London.
We shall see, as the saying goes. The 1930s Northern Heights electrification that went horribly wrong and left densely populated inner city parts of north London without any trains at all is never far from my mind. Admittedly partly because had it happened I would have often used the planned Northern Line direct connection between Highbury & Islington deep level tube Northern City Line and East Finchley station when visiting friends. Far better than going via Camden Road / Town, especially when the Overground journey starts at Stratford.
Wow, a fact that interested me is that the London Underground is the oldest network in the WORLD. The floor is quite pockmarked, isn't it? :v good video, I wish you could do the expansion of the subway in Lima or Buenos Aires, thank you :D :D
I'd like to know what trains and tubes are planned to be given upgrades as some of them like the bakerloo are pretty crappy and old. air con surely is a must on most of these lines
Would be cool if you did a redesign of tube and rail networks based on populations and demand in the big cities that have outgrown the old networks like London
The money is limited and therefor they should program it well. Quickly build the extensions to areas that aren't yet served by existing lines. For instance, the Bakerloo line should be fully extended rapidly, from Watford Junction (at 3:37) all the way to Hayes!(at 4:13) As for crossrail two (at 2:53), they MUST prioritize some branches over other: the eastern branch towards Basildon and towards Grays (at 2:53) should be built first & quickly. Then all the southern branches too, but as a light rail! (just like the DLR and u could call it the "southern light rail", SLR). That's it. Cz the northern branch towards Bronxbourne (at 2:40) would be a HUGE waste of money! It's not that necessary since an overground line runs parallel to it.
I think the northen line should be changed, male the middle section like a second circle line and maybe through running in an x pattern of the 4 branches, creating 2 more lines out of the mess that it currently is. Bakerloo to lewisham should be top priority, along with extensions of the trams and well as crossrail 2, possibly split into crossrail 2 and 3 to better serve its many proposed branches. extending bakerloo north and removing west ruislip and watford are very minimal changes that should not be prioritised. Finally adding additional separate tram lines in other suburbs, like paris, could be another idea
I live in Eltham and it is so desperate to see there is no plan for any tube in future 3 miles nearby where I am. I waited for 4 mins to see a projection but no luck lol.
More stations in should be in Essex, and Uxbridge is already well-connected, especially with two major national rail stations in harrow, as well as ones in Northolt, Greenford and Ruislip. I think a central line extension would be fine, would much rather it go to Denham, as originally planned.
the line is overcrowded, and any further extensions would overwhelm it. platforms and trains would have to be adapted for bigger crowds before the victoria line can be extended
After crossrail 2 think they should create a tube stratung from london fields shoreditch high stteet bank cannon street southwark lambeth north pinlico sloane sqaure knightsbridge marble arch royal oak brondesbury park and wilesden green
Nice video. Unfortunately most of these ideas are dead in the water. The extensions to Watford Junction are definitely not happening and Crossrail 2 will probably never happen. I've not heard about extending the Central to Uxbridge. There is a plan to have the Piccadilly take over the District to Ealing Broadway when the new signalling and trains are running. There is also going to be an Overground station at Surrey Canal Road circa 2025 and maybe an infill station called Renwick Road between Barking and Barking Riverside.
Yeah, never heard of the central line to uxbridge and the bakerloo to watford junction is like re opening the east London for tube, the met extension to watford junction has been cancelled ever since, cross rail 2 to grays not gonna happen the proposal is to hackney and what I heard is the Elizabeth line going to watford junction instead. This is an April fools video so information is not reliable
the eastern crossrail extension to grays and basildon will definitely not happen. the chances of the extension from abbey wood to gravesend is astronomical
This is confusing because National Rail lines are ignored. Most of Overground and Cross Rail lines in the suburbs will not be new builds but conversions from the current National Rail lines. In addition, Thameslink plays a very similar role to Underground and Overground but it is not shown here because it is not Underground, Overground or Cross Rail. It is no meaning to separate National Rail lines from Underground, Overground and Cross Rail.
I think it would be a great idea to make channel(s), for different transport as well. So let's say buses. The same style, everything the same, but only with buses. Because at some point metros are gonna run out, although videos are let's be honest pretty rare. Buses have a very big variety of cities.
Can you do a video over planned and theoretical expansions to the Chicago metra? Like the rebirth of the Blackhawk line and proposed ring lines around the suburbs?
I will extend the Bakerloo to Hayes and Locksbottom. I will extend the Victoria to East Croydon. The Bakerloo will serve Bricklayers Arms, Old Kent Road, New Cross Gate, Lewisham, Ladywell, Catford Bridge, Lower Sydenham, New Beckenham, Clock House, Elmers End, Eden Park, West Wickham and Hayes. From Beckenham Junction, the Bakerloo will serve Shortlands, Bromley, Bromley Common and Locksbottom. The Victoria will serve Herne Hill, Tulse Hill, West Norwood, Gypsy Hill, Crystal Palace, South Norwood, Thornton Heath Pond, Selhurst, West Croydon and East Croydon.
Or they could make the DLR do that and instead the bakerloo should either go through to hither green , grove park then that weird branch to bromley north or make a whole new route through catford,bellingham,downham and to bromley that would be way more useful and efficient
It baffles me how I can use TFL tube lines, pay TFL fares and end up in Essex if I want to. Yet people from south east London and Kent are paying ridiculous amounts of money(more than TFL) to southeastern for old trains and an awful service.
ME ;)
I was thinking the exact same thing. I could potentially get to Basildon before there's an tube extension to Beckenham Junction? Gosh
TfL wanted to take over South Eastern's inner London services but the government didn't allow that. Your best hope is for Labour get into power again soon.
That's why metro rail services should be taken over by TfL
Southeastern old trains ain't too bad
There needs to be more London Underground station in SE. E.g Lewisham, Catford, Bromley, Woolwich
The tunnelling in them areas are hard to do
They have very good connections with national rail anyway
LB Bromley keep rejecting an extension
Woolwich is fine - has DLR and Elizabeth line as well as national rail but agree with Catford and Bromley. More important is actually getting Thamesmead on the map
LB Bromley only want Bromley north used as is the only station without much purpose
What is still missing for me is connections from the North to the South via routes that dont force you into the city centre first. Imagine if they extended the overground line from Romford to Upminster to go all the way to Dartford, for example. That might well take traffic away from the M25 and th Dartford crossing in that area. The whole of the East and South of London is poorly connects except to the city centre.
Perhaps the solution is a new outer circle line, one that circles the out boroughs rather than the inner ones?
Or one that connects the end of the line stations?
@@StackerNoobUK there's already the london overground (clapham junction - highbury & islington)
@@ymodnar The overground is too central. I’m aware of it’s existence since I used to live in Islington and work in Richmond. I’m talking an outer circle line which roughly follows the London inner ring road
why not use multiple lines
Crazy how underserved South East London especially will still be
💯% agree ,so many stations north of the river already.
South East London will be, in their plans, a slum. Disgusting.
but at least you got networkers, the north of the river have aventras
It’ll be cool to see a ‘central’ line south of the thames running from Richmond to Woolwich via Battersea, Vauxhall, Bermondsey, & Greenwich
Meet the proposed Crossrail 3. Bascially plans this but it isn't very concrete at all :/. Crossrail 2 is already uncertain after overrunning costs of first Crossrail. Give crossrail 3 a search but yeah no promises but it would be a great line taking over parts of existing national rail
the trams sort of already do that
@@abderian2399 lol, it’s nowhere near comparable to Central Line. I’m talking about east west direction going through central London of the south of the Thames
@@RyanTaylor2000 to be honest the south-central area is already covered by existing lines
@@abderian2399 all the lines that are on the south of the river lead up to north, so you have to go around to get from one side to another on the south of the river, besides there are many areas where you have to walk for miles before getting to a tube station even just a south of river
It would be really interesting to see the national rail services included in maps like this
Weren't there actually plans to include the local metro services of the national rail 'franchises' into the Overground? Feel like, this plan needed to have been integrated here.
yeah, but it might be very messy though
@@Bopper_ but it would help with navigation. Right now if I were new to London, and I looked at the TfL map, I would think that I can’t get anywhere in south London. But Southern, southwestern, and southeastern run really extensive and nice suburban services. The map needs to show this
@@lik7953 Thameslink services are now on the tube map.
@@lik7953 Imagine the number of tourists who wanted to go from Waterloo to Vauxhall ended up taking a long detour
That Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham is needed BIG TIME!
Just a shame may be waiting into 2030 at the earliest for it
Got held back over Covid few month ago driving old Kent road. Seeing box Station board up where Bakerloo passing
It is amazing how much stuff London manages to fit underground-and their ambitions to crowd even more.
Ur first
Outside of the core it’s mostly above ground.
@@pepperpillow especially so south of the river.
@@xander1052 south is underground in my view its the west side that's outside, I visited both side the west seem to be outside railway. I could be wrong.
@@A.D.540 South is currently 90% on the surface.
There is so much more potential for trams in South London it seems like it's being wasted in favour of blockbuster projects like crossrail that will take decades to come to fruition
Crossrail 2 be like: I like branches
edit: why tf is there a war in the comments
“….be like….”?! What kind of idiot language is this?!
@@heli-crewhgs5285 Nothing is more annoying then the whole "Them:" "Me:" internet talk.
@@heli-crewhgs5285 English is not first language for everyone.
@@heli-crewhgs5285 it's what some people for some reason say these days. I don't know why though
@@heli-crewhgs5285 what's your problem with this sentence
Would be really good if an M25-type underground was built. That would connect North London stations in a kind of ring, similar to the overground but forming the ring further out for the subs.
Nah the demand would not justify the cost. There’s low demand to go from small economy areas to more small economic areas, and even if someone wanted to, for example go to Croydon, it would be a lot quicker to take a train that cuts through the city than circles around it.
@@emadtalukdar6340 Although it would reduce congestion on inner city trains and shorten travel times. I guess it would also reduce traffic as fewer car journeys. But yes there isn’t high economic demand true
@@emadtalukdar6340 but people still travel from north to east / south to west and it’s inefficient to have to travel into the city to travel back out again
@@emadtalukdar6340 I disagree, I think with travelling there is a huge need for people to get to the main airports without needing to go in to London just to get back out of London.
@Dan SouthLondon There is already a Circle Line and it's yellow, so use dark yellow and name it the Outer Circle Line. The original line could be called Inner Circle Line.
You forgot that the Northern line is splitting at 2023. A TfL document from 2015 proposes the Northern line will be split by April 2023. There's even a map showing where the lines will go. TfL believes that it can run up to 36 tph with this split! Keep in mind, this is with the Camden Town upgrade. If they don't manage to upgrade Camden Town it'll be operationally challenging.
Is there a plan or date that TFL will upgrade Camden Town? It desperately needs a new entrance and more interchange corridors
@@francisrogers9824 I'm not sure if there is a date, but there is a remodeling animation for it: ua-cam.com/video/QFBhmlhOn_4/v-deo.html
This guy actually makes a lot of CGI animations for remodeling stations.
@@bvetubeyt seen his one for Holborn. They need that too
Not happening until the Camden Town upgrade is done. And that project is on hold right now cause of funding issues
What's the percentage of transport projects that have been completed by their projected date? 5% probably. Crossrail, tram extensions, rail lines, stations...they're always at least a year late and usually more. The Piccadilly line was meant to have new signalling and trains by 2024. The new trains are now 2025 and will probably be later, the signalling won't be done til at least the end of the decade.
Ok so I live out east in London. This is the first I've heard about a CR-2 extension to Grays & Basildon and I am now bricking it. I hope this happens cause it'll make my journeys so much easier
you'll need to wait another 20 years at least though. Probably best to not hold your breath
@@Jwm367t And another 10 more years if you count starting the project, getting people and the council to approve of it, tackling enormous amounts of paperwork, navigating the problems presented with Crossrail 1 and finding available land for a platform in St. Pancras, the busiest and most complex part of the operation.
With TfL having no money, it's pretty much only what's actually under construction now that will ever happen.
For the foreseeable future
once the project is complete in will give people new job , reduce waiting time and increase income, i dont think this is the end for tfl.
I dont know why, but extending Elizabeth line into Medway (Strood,Rochester,Chatham,Gillingham and Rainham) would be quite logical although to be fair, Medway is pretty extensively connected to London already, though it could benefit with services to Heathrow potentially
Very true
Extending the Elizabeth Line in that direction would involve running it on already existing tracks, converted for Crossrail usage. It would be improving the existing services, and many stations might be rebuilt/improved, but likely won't involve new tracks - from my understanding, at least.
I disagree, we have overground trains into the city and you have to then get in the underground. Compared to the rest of London, the underground connections to the city are seriously lacking. Would be good to get an underground service, much like the Central does for Epping Forest on the other side of the Thames.
@@1990SammieJ The tube won't go all the way to Medway. That is what Crossrail is for, serving the outer towns and cities (such as Reading, Shenfield and Epsom) that are out of reach for the tube
I would suggest a route that splits from the mainline at Dartford, travels to Bluewater and then loops back round to Ebbsfleet International.
Tbh, the Metropolitan line will never be extended to Watford Junction, because it was cancelled.
BRO MAYBE IT WILL REVIVE THIS EXTENSION IF THEY HAVE MUCH MONEY :)
WHY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF LONDON AND ME WANTS TO REVIVE THE NEW CROXLEY RAIL LINK ON THE ABANDONED RAILWAY LINE MAYBE IT WILL BE REVIVE SOON...
@@HugoTheBlueDiamondGalaxyStar09 Indeed
What software do u use to make these maps
I’d personally extend the DLR, from Thamesmead towards Barking Riverside and Dagenham Dock, a revitalisation of the old plan, but still making connections to Thamesmead.
The south east desperately needs a tube line
The North desperately needs a line to connect all of the branches sprouting out. To travel from High Barnet to Edgware, you have to go all the way into Camden and back out again.
I mean the southeastern rail exists
but i see your point yeah
I heard that there is some issue with the soil, too sandy or something, but I’m not sure.
No Tube to the slum.
I would be surprised if Crossrail now extends to Gravesend, with London Resort very much on its last legs and likely to have the plug pulled completely within the next 12-18 months after losing the support of multiple key stakeholders. Regarding the DLR Tower Gateway closure, I think much will depend on what ends up happening with nearby Fenchurch Street station and how that is rebuilt or whether a completely new and re-sited Fenchurch Street station is required.
It’ll be a much efficient link tbf
London resort is now fully dead. Extending the line to Gravesend would be a nice improvement still
I'd make a few extensions. Firstly out of North Greenwich an extra jubilee branch calling at West Silvertown, Woolwich Arsenal, Thamesmead West, Abbey Wood and Thamesmead East
why not go crazy and put a station on bexleyheath high station, LMAO
Hope they extend the tube to south london also extending the tram link to kingston and making some kind of DLR for west London
Where will it go. There's no space and Chelsea blocks everhth
@@andrewcaicedoortiz3397 DLR probably can go from Uxbridge to Hammersmith or Shepherd’s Bush or something
@@maritime_history1912 it's a copy of the picadilly line.
@@andrewcaicedoortiz3397 yeah, except for shepherds bush
You do realise that DLR stands for Docklands Light Railway and the Docklands are in the east of London.
Could you do the future of Paris Metro and RER ?
A pity there won't be a closed loop between Edgware and Mill Hill East.
Only if someone could pony up the money, as would need to be a tunnel
@@goodwood-rc4nx Tunnel under the M1. The rest is intact, I think.
Amazing! Another rapidly expanding system is the TTC with Line 5, 6 and Line 2 (extension) coming soon! Would love to see a video covering it!
Well to be honest the Bakerloo Line is planned to be extended to Lewisham and down to Hayes and yes the Metropolitan Line extension to Watford Junction which should still happen. Maybe the Victoria Line could extend from Walthamstow Central to South Woodford and from Brixton to Croydon.
And perhaps London Overground or TfL Rail could take over the West Ealing-Greenford branch line using Class 230 Battery-Hybrid trains. Plus not forgetting Crossrail 2 that is also planned and HS2 to Birmingham Curzon Street and Northern England once phase 1 and phase 2 is completed.
And I can see the Elizabeth Line extended to Gravesend which could happen. London Overground extension to Barking Riverside and possibly to Abbey Wood. And the DLR extension to Thamesmead, Abbey Wood and possibly to Dagenham Dock. This is why London’s transport is ever more growing.
The Victoria is the most overcrowded line. Extending it would make it even worse.
IIRC, the Greenford branch has relatively short platforms. It wouldn't be economic to do crazy things to extend them just so the few people that use the line don't have to change trains.
Indeed. Also I would like say that Crossrail 2 is not likely going to be extended to Basildon and Grays. As the c2c line via Basildon and Grays is already full and c2c won’t lose the Fenchurch Street-Grays via Barking service.
Or maybe a liz branch down to Clapham Junction?
There was also a proposal of the Victoria line to Leytonstone and Edmorton Green and to East Croydon.
There were also planned for the Waterloo & City to Finsbury Park
Amazing as always! You should do Milan next, there are plans to double its current metro length by 2040 with new lines and the current ones being extended. Suburban lines are as much interesting as the underground and tram ones!
Apparently there maybe a possible extension of the central line up to Harlow Town that is yet to be announced but it has potential.
Great work on this video! I can't wait for the Elizabeth line to finally open.
I would have loved to have seen the Elizabeth Line get a station at Bluewater shopping centre. It runs close by to it and would generate massive amounts of ridership
good god, more shoppers on the liz line is definitely not what we need.. it is absolutely wild seeing these 200m long trains full to the brim with people! need a train every 2-3 minutes at some hours before we encourage more people on :P
Impressive video.,,and catchy music. Cheers from USA!
Castle Green would also open as an infill station for the Overground, and maybe CR2/C2C
I think the tram system should head round and connect to lewisham meaning that it connect the area of London with very few stops around the square inbetween the northern line and the overground
Also by doing this it would connect the district, northern, overground, DLR are if they are smart with the route it could also connect to the Victoria line
I find it mad that south of the river gets more or less nothing. Going across requires you more or less go into london, then back out again. Could really do with a few more connections..
You've got national rail but south London has horrible soil for building tunnels
You missed the central line extension to Harlow
Yeah that was also going to be planned 😂
No, the Bakerloo line should go to Camberwell too, furthermore,
The Victoria Line could extend to places like Sydenham
The Circle Line could add an extra loop from High Street Kensington to Hammersmith
The W&C Line should turn into another part of the DLR
The District Line could extend its Ealing Broadway and Richmond branches to a loop at Windsor
The other metro system (not run by TFL) is 8 times larger covering the entire metro area. When you lay this over the top, it is only topped byTokyo. I sit here in NYC and we are light years behind London.
america as whole is behind most of the world when it comes railway unless you including africa or high mountain nation. america needed to catch up.
What is the other metro system?
@@evolutionxbox I don't know what you call it but there's two maps. One for inner and one for the outer suburbs. I travelled it extensively. London has an entire system the pre-dates the London Underground. It was later merged and now has private companies running it all. Like NYC it goes beyond the ridiculous false boundaries set decades ago that London (like New York) outgrew. London's system covers the suburbs of Southeast England too. They are way ahead of New York. The system is huge. The Tube only covers a section of London north of the river and a tiny bit to the south, so mostly the core and inner suburbs with one or two exceptions that were converted from standard rail. We know now that London will never build another Tube like the others as they are going for the faster, longer and larger systems like Crossrail in future that will cover the area that is London in all but name. As an american, it was clear to me after so much time there that London's boundaries are ridiculously out of date too. The suburbs of London are as large as the largest US cities and only rivalled by NYC. London has suburban lines that have this low density suburbia that has grown along them and between right down to the south coast. It made me laugh when some Londoners said they were "going to the country" - they meant the suburbs! There was no functional countryside where they went where the farms were being eaten up by low density housing with traffic jams in the evenings. The rail system I'm talking about serves all of those suburbs.
@@richardwills-woodward5340 you mean the railway network?
It's especially noticeable in South London because it runs in these giant corridors to the big hub stations like Clapham Junction, Victoria, Waterloo and London Bridge that connects lots of the South East like Surrey, East Sussex and Kent to central in under 75 minutes.
The lines goes up onto brick built archways and viaducts when you start to get into zones 3 and 4 of London, that's possibly why you think it's more like a metro. In terms of train frequency actually these days it's sort of used that way admittedly, and they are trying to get the frequency of trains on some commuter lines up to 10-12 trains an hour so it "feels" more like a metro system.
But, unlike London, you can catch a New York subway 24/7. Try getting being a shift worker in London… getting crammed into a bus with 100 other people on their way to Heathrow
Once the Clapham Junction bit of the Northern line opens, the Northern should be split in two. It's made of two branches throughout most of it's length.
In fact, the Overground and DLR should also be split on the map into their respective lines.
Agreed. Clapham Junction after Crossrail 2, Northern Line, and the proposed Crossrail 3 will basically become one of the busiest and largest stations in Europe, and will probably need an entire revamp.
Now London will be even bigger and better very very soon on 2050
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Can't see the Central Line going to Uxbridge, and with Elizabeth Line going to Heathrow nor the Central Line being extended there but I can see the Bakerloo Line extension into SE London, perhaps Elizabeth Line to Ebbsfleet. There is no need to extend Elizabeth Line to Medway just to link it with existing services at Ebbsfleet. There was once a suggestion to extend Jubilee Line to take over one branch of the Central Line beyond Leytonstone. Thameslink should be upgraded and added to the TFL then included on the Underground map, it's status is similar to Elizabeth Line. Some have suggested an outer circular line linking the many branches of existing services, this needs futher exporlation as it merits being done. To some extent this could use existing tracks, but will need some new infrastructure too with the existing being upgraded and a better service.
There should be an extension to cuffley for crossrail 2 for people for great northern
Croydon, in my opinion, needs a tube line ASAP. Those trams we have can only go so slow and the only TFL service connections it has is overground in west Croydon and district in Wimbledon.
Sunday 18th February 2024, the London Overground has been extended to Barking Riverside, Elizabeth line is fully opened from Reading/Heathrow to Sheffield/Abbey Wood, London Overground has been renamed to different names for each branch, and the Thameslink has now opened a new station as Brent Cross West, let's see what happens next🤷 (Note that the events weren't in chronological order)
What I would suggest:
- North extension of victoria line from walthamstow to hainault using the current central line shuttle and closing roding valley station to make work for a portal tunnel beneath.
- South extension of victoria line from brixton to crystal palace with stops at loughborough junction, north dulwich, dulwich park, sydenham hill.
- Bakerloo line extension to bromley north via the current planned lewisham route + taking over the tracks that used to be used to run the bromley north through services.
- Northern line to Clapham Junction is needed, and by all senses of the word's meaning, logical.
- Elizabeth line extension to Dartford only, and not beyond. As a resident of that area I cant really see the need for an extension beyond that point.
- DLR extension to Thamesmead as mentioned, and potentially to barking riverside on a low level set of platforms/tracks, linking across the river much easier.
- Finally, a hot take. Close the new cross branch. Built a new set of platforms at New Cross Gate. Divert thise routes there.
- Even hotter take, have a separate map for "surface" rail networks such as Elizabeth Line, DLR, and Overground, Rebrand them ALL under the same bracket like the underground. Have orange doors on all the rolling stock, but in similar fashion to the underground, different colour grab poles and line colours for DLR, Elizabeth line, all the seperate overground lines. That way colour use wouldn't be an issue. And each surface level of transport will be separated into its own thing.
There should be something that goes from northwest London to southwest London. But not from extreme northwest London. I'd say somewhere like finchley Road would be an ideal place for it to stop at In North West london and somewhere like Richmond in South West London.
Like the Overground line that already runs through Finchley Road & Frognal down to Richmond?
We shall see, as the saying goes. The 1930s Northern Heights electrification that went horribly wrong and left densely populated inner city parts of north London without any trains at all is never far from my mind.
Admittedly partly because had it happened I would have often used the planned Northern Line direct connection between Highbury & Islington deep level tube Northern City Line and East Finchley station when visiting friends. Far better than going via Camden Road / Town, especially when the Overground journey starts at Stratford.
Wow, a fact that interested me is that the London Underground is the oldest network in the WORLD. The floor is quite pockmarked, isn't it? :v good video, I wish you could do the expansion of the subway in Lima or Buenos Aires, thank you :D :D
One thing I really hate about the London tube map is all the overground services appear in orange.
I'd like to know what trains and tubes are planned to be given upgrades as some of them like the bakerloo are pretty crappy and old. air con surely is a must on most of these lines
Wow this is so cool. Can u do also a future vision of Berlin Underground/Sbahb system? I mean its still an open discussion, so hmm 😅
Incredibile job. What software did you use to make these maps? Thanks
'Old Oak Common' sounds like a font name to me.
I wish there was rail/tube linking parts of west London like Southall, Hounslow, Richmond and then onto places like Kingston.
I agree I live Brentford Off Kew Bridge Junction no Tube link and it’s Zone 3 area that’s bit Disappointing
Would have been cool to see a before/after comparison at the end
Why southeast London is empty of metro lines????
If they're bothering to go all the way to Gravesend might as well add a branch out of Northfleet to Gravesend
Would be cool if you did a redesign of tube and rail networks based on populations and demand in the big cities that have outgrown the old networks like London
Southeast London: am I a joke to you?
All these plans but nothing to sort the horrible connectivity situation in East London/East End to connect the sides on either side of the river.
The money is limited and therefor they should program it well. Quickly build the extensions to areas that aren't yet served by existing lines. For instance, the Bakerloo line should be fully extended rapidly, from Watford Junction (at 3:37) all the way to Hayes!(at 4:13)
As for crossrail two (at 2:53), they MUST prioritize some branches over other: the eastern branch towards Basildon and towards Grays (at 2:53) should be built first & quickly. Then all the southern branches too, but as a light rail! (just like the DLR and u could call it the "southern light rail", SLR). That's it.
Cz the northern branch towards Bronxbourne (at 2:40) would be a HUGE waste of money! It's not that necessary since an overground line runs parallel to it.
Keep up the good work like always, and do more of this
Blackfriars isn’t on the Waterloo & City line
I think the northen line should be changed, male the middle section like a second circle line and maybe through running in an x pattern of the 4 branches, creating 2 more lines out of the mess that it currently is. Bakerloo to lewisham should be top priority, along with extensions of the trams and well as crossrail 2, possibly split into crossrail 2 and 3 to better serve its many proposed branches. extending bakerloo north and removing west ruislip and watford are very minimal changes that should not be prioritised. Finally adding additional separate tram lines in other suburbs, like paris, could be another idea
I live in Eltham and it is so desperate to see there is no plan for any tube in future 3 miles nearby where I am. I waited for 4 mins to see a projection but no luck lol.
More stations in should be in Essex, and Uxbridge is already well-connected, especially with two major national rail stations in harrow, as well as ones in Northolt, Greenford and Ruislip. I think a central line extension would be fine, would much rather it go to Denham, as originally planned.
Missed out the proposed swapping of lines at Ealing Broadway.
vitoria line doesnt go south... dont know why
the line is overcrowded, and any further extensions would overwhelm it. platforms and trains would have to be adapted for bigger crowds before the victoria line can be extended
@@leicesterpoppadom7225 so it is not impossible ahah... ok i see
If you are describing vague proposals then you missed extending the DLR to Euston, - that one has been around for a while.
After crossrail 2 think they should create a tube stratung from london fields shoreditch high stteet bank cannon street southwark lambeth north pinlico sloane sqaure knightsbridge marble arch royal oak brondesbury park and wilesden green
It would be nice if tube will be working.... I have enough of all these strikes, severe delays, signal failure and etc ....
There is also Renwick Road between Barking and Barking Riverside.
Nice video. Unfortunately most of these ideas are dead in the water. The extensions to Watford Junction are definitely not happening and Crossrail 2 will probably never happen. I've not heard about extending the Central to Uxbridge. There is a plan to have the Piccadilly take over the District to Ealing Broadway when the new signalling and trains are running. There is also going to be an Overground station at Surrey Canal Road circa 2025 and maybe an infill station called Renwick Road between Barking and Barking Riverside.
Yeah, never heard of the central line to uxbridge and the bakerloo to watford junction is like re opening the east London for tube, the met extension to watford junction has been cancelled ever since, cross rail 2 to grays not gonna happen the proposal is to hackney and what I heard is the Elizabeth line going to watford junction instead. This is an April fools video so information is not reliable
The extension to Uxbridge is completely feasible because the nearby depot connects the lines
the eastern crossrail extension to grays and basildon will definitely not happen. the chances of the extension from abbey wood to gravesend is astronomical
@@PGATProductions Yeah I heard Dartford or ebbsfleet but gravesend no this is an april fools so info is not relieable
Crossrail 2 will definitely happen. Chelsea needs a station.
South London always gets shafted!
The met line extension in Watford was cancelled a couple of years ago
BUT IT MAY REVIVE IT AGAIN BCS PEOPLE WANTS THE EXTENSION
Crossrail isn't part of the Underground. They just gave it a confusing name. It's a railway that goes through London though, like Thameslink
imo central line should be extended to Heathrow aswell or any other nearest airport around
I wanna know who proposed running Crossrail 2 to Grays
Great video. ☺️Edit: I just subscribed to ur UA-cam channel.
THE LEWISHAM EXTENSION WILL BE BIG TIME NEW EXTENSION BAKERLOO LINE
crossrail 2's branches are like from what you see under a tree
This is confusing because National Rail lines are ignored. Most of Overground and Cross Rail lines in the suburbs will not be new builds but conversions from the current National Rail lines. In addition, Thameslink plays a very similar role to Underground and Overground but it is not shown here because it is not Underground, Overground or Cross Rail. It is no meaning to separate National Rail lines from Underground, Overground and Cross Rail.
Bakerloo line extends to Lewisham and Hayes....I'm not holding my breath.
I watched all your videos! Can you do Hong Kong railway and future next?
And a planned station called New Bermondsey.
I think it would be a great idea to make channel(s), for different transport as well. So let's say buses. The same style, everything the same, but only with buses. Because at some point metros are gonna run out, although videos are let's be honest pretty rare. Buses have a very big variety of cities.
What about more railway lines in the pennine region between Leeds and Manchester also Leeds and Sheffield so Sheffield and Manchester
I feel like cr2 should extend to pitsea going via the rainham branch.district should replace grays line and c2c should extend west to dorking
Can you do a video over planned and theoretical expansions to the Chicago metra? Like the rebirth of the Blackhawk line and proposed ring lines around the suburbs?
Odd, why is southeast side so devoid of extensions?
There's plenty of surface rail down there and I believe the tunneling conditions are poor.
Elizabeth line is now open!
Great video! By any chance is Dublin on your list of future cities?
Wow amazing
I will extend the Bakerloo to Hayes and Locksbottom. I will extend the Victoria to East Croydon.
The Bakerloo will serve Bricklayers Arms, Old Kent Road, New Cross Gate, Lewisham, Ladywell, Catford Bridge, Lower Sydenham, New Beckenham, Clock House, Elmers End, Eden Park, West Wickham and Hayes.
From Beckenham Junction, the Bakerloo will serve Shortlands, Bromley, Bromley Common and Locksbottom.
The Victoria will serve Herne Hill, Tulse Hill, West Norwood, Gypsy Hill, Crystal Palace, South Norwood, Thornton Heath Pond, Selhurst, West Croydon and East Croydon.
Better for the DLR to go to Hayes. However a Bakerloo extension from Lewisham to Bromley North taking that Branch over will be an excellent idea!
Or they could make the DLR do that and instead the bakerloo should either go through to hither green , grove park then that weird branch to bromley north or make a whole new route through catford,bellingham,downham and to bromley that would be way more useful and efficient
@@chicoblackly3119 You have read my mind chico!
Love these videos! Can you make one about the future of Paris transport?
c2c becoming part of tfl, nice 👌🏽
Very Cool!
bruh the waterloo and city line does not stop at Blackfriars but nice animation 😸
A good proposal though. Would like to see it with a station at Mansion House and an extension to Moorgate and that Branch too.
Id like to see the elizabeth line extend further into essex possibly taking passengers from greater anglia no further than chelmsford though