How I Lost Faith In The Mega Church
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2018
- With the release of her new book, "The Most Beautiful Thing I've Seen" Grammy nominated artist Lisa Gungor goes deep on family, church, and being pushed out of the world she knew so well.
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Well, I'll just say this. If a "church" made you stop believing in God then you were apparently believing in a church and NOT God.
Amen!
Well put, Tom.
This is soo true. You cannot just stop believing in God. Either people believe in God or they don't. So i think these people never believed in God in the first place.
HELL YEAH TOM! PREACH IT!
Agreed!
I don't have faith in a mega church either, but I do have faith in Jesus Christ.
Best comment on here.
Jason Lewis There you go dear one...
Amen 🌿🕊
Jason Lewis Yet u have questions otherwise wt r u doing in this section & commenting ?😀Jesus loves u ,died for u Even when u dont have faith in Him. U see He died for the lost. Ppl think Jesus is limited in institution like a House of church He aint He is unlimited . Church according to the word of God is a colloection of souls that r born of the spirit. The spirit lives in anyone who have faith in Christ.The truth n the matter is ppl still call gather anywhere and dosnt have the spirit . How do we know God is there? Where the spirit of God is there is freedom, there is no douubt He is there or not, He is the living God so there will be a living testimonies!
Exactly what I was thinking! I love Jesus, but I've never felt right in the mega churches. We have one in my town. It started out in a shopping center. My son was even dedicated there, but then they moved to a new building and that's when it started to change.
True Christianity begins when we stop believing in a Jesus who can make our dreams come true and begin to love Him for what He has already done.
I agree
Fully Agreed, This seems to be the norm for these mega churches now tho... You got a huge building, all the lights, smoke machines, and a rock band playing the most trendy music with some Christian lyrics thrown in,.... and a motivational speaker that calls himself a pastor who promises all kinds of things, mainly wealth or financial gain to all who believe. They bring in thousands of members because of this promise of wealth or anything the people want but deliver nothing more than "it'll be your turn next week, tomorrow, or maybe even today" speeches to keep the members coming back. They hardly ever talk about sin and what's right and what's wrong because they are there to make money and the best way to do that is to keep them coming back and keep up the promise that the more you put in the bigger your blessing will be, and when things dont happen they just say "it's because you dont have enough faith" or something in that order.
What they dont teach is the true gospel of Jesus Christ who died for our salvation or how to be thankful for this one thing that will save all of us who repent our sinful ways and believe, or how we need to love one another as he loves us.
The real reward is not going to happen in this lifetime, but in the next one, this lifetime is just as a vapor, here for a very short while then gone. We will suffer and sacrifice in this life but like I said, this life is very very short.
If your church isn't teaching about repentance and true salvation thru the Gospel of Jesus Christ and they're only focused on what God can do for you in this life, it's time to find a new church, but never time to stoop believing. Always refer to your bible whenever you hear anything you're not sure of and find a church where your pastor will spend one on one time with you to talk and answer questions. You definitely won't get that in a church where the "pastor" walks around with bodyuards and doesn't even know who his members are.
Beautifully said.
@@daviddavis8653 The problem is if you don't believe, you are told you will face condemnation. So essentially, there is no option BUT to believe, otherwise you aren't living in your best interests. That doesn't sound like a benevolent God. If he is righteous, he doesn't need to make sure everyone else is righteous.
What has Jesus ever done for us!!! Quite a lot less than the Romans
Going to a church makes you a Christian as much as standing under a garage makes you a car.
So are you making fun of us or the video us i mean. Chistin
@@AndyACD Neither. Personally to me there are no 'us' or 'them'. We are all in this charade, together.
Church is a group not a building
Olivia Baird he is just trying to say you don’t necessarily have to go to church to believe in god, to be Christian.
Christian religion as religion is inseparably
with tradition.
The title is really painful for me. For all the years of people hurting me in church God has remained the one faithful constant. People will always let you down. Always. Why does that make God bad? He loves us so deeply. And that is first hand experience not what I have been brain washed to believe. I hope you hear Him wooing you again. He loves you to the point of death and back.
Eco Fundi, Agreed. I'm saddened by this... religion has let them down, not God.
That's a mean-spirited, hateful dismissal of someone whose experiences contradict and challenge your beliefs. You just made matters worse, and highlighted very effectively WHY people are leaving your religion. A pity you can't see that.
"You just Jesus-ed all wrong." Ugh, seriously, it's so tedious. But you hope someone will wonder how they messed up something that's supposed to be so easy and simple--and ask how you're Jesus-ing so well that you've escaped ever wondering about the many, many contradictions and challenges to Christianity. But you're just as confused as they are--which we can tell because you think you're being super-Jesus-y here, but in reality you're just as hateful and mean-spirited as the "bad Christians" you're badmouthing.
@@Surftouka You would not know a single thing about this deity if it weren't for the religion supporting the idea of him. It's funny that you think you can have the deity without the religion, but ultimately it's part of the problem--not the solution to the problem.
From what I understand, they came back to God. Here's a video that has more information that this video apparently left out
ua-cam.com/video/h1W_feJnmeI/v-deo.html
God won't let you down because you can't perceive him ever doing so. After all, he is your imaginary friend. You may sculpt him however you desire.
I love how Buzzfeed changed the title of this video from "I Stopped Believing God After Pastoring a Megachurch" to "How I Lost Faith in the Megachurch" only after Lisa Gungor spoke out and said that Buzzfeed left out a lot of things in the interview and misled viewers to think she's an atheist was when they decided to change it... Buzzfeed can be very propaganda-like and super suspicious. And its almost like they were trying to make atheism trendy. Too bad Jesus is always winning.
I noticed that title change too. Where did see her say that by the way? I'd like to read anything she's talked about since this!
@@FarAwayDistance This guy made a video about her instagram comment about this video. Skip to 1:30 ua-cam.com/video/-v3oIk_Qtr0/v-deo.html
Sooooo true
I love you sister... One thing I have learnt us that everyone is drawn away by his or her desire.. Now this people want say God doesn't exist or what? God does exist he is the one holding our lives... ,,,
I would say Buzzfeed has an anti-christ/ianity agenda.
She rejected the prosperity gospel, which isn't Christianity. The real gospel promises suffering for believers, not prosperity.
Great comment. The prosperity movement causes some people to lose out with the Lord. When the prosperity teaching doesnt work for them, then the doubt comes in. Its false teaching for sure. But it works well in a society that is so selfish and materialistic and confortable.
bjkimber86 suffering and persecution here on this side.... and then perfect peace and joy in eternity with God in heaven where there is no more pain, no more sin....
Well damn, good thing I’m not a believer. I’m no fan of suffering.
This 👆🏾👆🏾
"Good eye" there (and / or ears)
They left out the part where her husband did go back to his faith later on. They are both still Christ followers and do ministry together. I had the privilege of seeing them perform at my (small) church last year with an open Q&A in the middle of the concert. I asked Lisa about her faith and it was refreshing to hear how she still wrestles with doubts yet is filled with passion for finding and serving God. I could relate to that, and I think most Christians do too. Having questions is crucial to any authentic faith. "...seek and you will find; knock and the door will be open to you" Matthew 7:7
That's really sad that they left that out. :( Thank you for sharing!
Sadly, sounds like they went back to where they could make money again (church.) She needs to publically repent or stay out of "ministry" until she'd be truly SURE of her salvation and understand & BELIEVE that Jesus DIED to give her eternal life. No mention by her of salvation, new life in Christ... #falseteachers #Rev3:14-22 #LaodiceanChurch #Endtimes
"Whosoever will deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father in Heaven." Words of Jesus as recorded in Matthew 10:33
I do want to thank you for sharing, and I pray she is truly walking with the Lord. Please, I mean no criticism to you whatsoever w/my comments. May God bless you!
@@tinac945 Yeah i felt like if she is still searching then maybe she shouldn't be performing in church but then again maybe that is the Pharisee in me and only God knows what he is doing in their lives.
thank you for clarifying. this video intentionally left out these conclusions.
How sad to watch. Seems like they didn't believe in God, they believed in church and of course that would eventually fail.
was trying to think of how to word this and you did it perfectly!
glamazini why do religious people always think it's sad when others don't share the same beliefs smh stop feeling sad for people who don't want your pity. She clearly says she's happy now and finally has children that she always wanted and a husband who loves her. What I think is sad is that she forced herself to be a part of a religion that made her sad and anxious when she could've been happier and healthier way earlier if it weren't for that
Bambi c that’s the problem tho! She worshipped the religion! A true relationship with God is a lot different from what many churches are. In addition, buzzfeed warped her story, she said she tried atheism but couldn’t do it and now just has a fresh perspective on things and sees God everywhere now
Except the Catholic Church.
The whole point is because the church taught them incorrectly and they started noticing it.
And that’s why I hate religion....
But I love Jesus.
You need religion to have Jesus. They go hand & hand
Common Sense UA-cam it: why I hate religion but love Jesus (spoke word by Jefferson Blake)
@@JosephTheDreamer Heard it, know him, it was recorded in my home town. Still doesn't change the fact that Jesus is tied to religion. Lol
@Vyce Versa If I used the bible that would be using religion. Lolol
@Vyce Versa I am atheist and I do not believe in Mythology. The post said you dont need religion to love Jesus.
The is bible a religious tool, therefore you asking me that invalidates the post
Being born again and being a member of a church are two very different things.
The concept of born again has been around thousands of years before Christianity. It was just called something different. Their experience was just as real and joyful. The buddhist taught this hundreds of years before Christianity just worded differently. It's nothing new or unusual unless God simply ignored them. I'm an atheist in general but not as dismissive as some of them. I worked with the handicapped and people have told me they see God in me. I asked what?! Perhaps I'm born again and just dont know it! Even atheists can then be born again! I didn't let them know. I left it alone. Very interesting. Truly love and take care. I mean that. Take care from Lee.
@@leegleissner9771 Well you misunderstood the meaning of born again, in Christianity it means you surrender everything and accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior..you turn away from your sins based on the 10 commandments.. All men sinned, we all fall short. It is because of our sinful nature. That is why Jesus died in the Cross for all of us to "save us" because the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. He wants you to come back because he loves you so much brother/sister.
as you said you are an athiest..so you believe nothing created everything?? thats just weird haha
Pastor Christopher Pabai ..Nice . Praise the ALMIGHTY GOD CREATOR Of HEAVEN AND EARTH...Too many ILLUMINATI SATANIST'S NWO SODOMITE'S BAPHEMET DEMONIC in these Prosperity Pimps SATANIST'S NWO Government, fake church.
You are so right. But sadly today alot of people dont really understand what true christianity is. I see it all the time. Some of them are inside the churches, and some dont even go to church. They need to hear the real message of salvation. Thats not being taught much anymore. This is the new modern western gospel.
@@leegleissner9771 Its no possible to be born again and an atheist at the same time. Thats like saying black is white and white is black. You sound confused. Get a Bible and read the gospel of John. Maybe you will understand the truth and be really born again. I hope so.
*Buzzfeed literally cut out all the important parts to make her seem like an atheist*
Is it possible to see the original cut?
@@jeremycorporan4810 nope. Im pretty sure this woman later said in a post that Buzzfeed is trying to make her look bad. Typical of buzzfeed.
She is tho isn't she?
@@Marcus-mk3sd i don't think so
Buzzfeed is not known for accuracy.
Too bad what they had was religion, and not a relationship with Jesus. Once you KNOW Jesus, there’s no going back.
Chosen 121 Exaclty
Right!!
I mean there is going back but idk for her
You don’t know Jesus and he doesn’t know who the hell you are OR that you even exist lmao
Exactly if she was kick out of every church in the world but knew Jesus she would still go to heaven. Because it's not about a building but a person. Too buzzfeed knows nothing about that stuff.
Mega church doctrine is not the true word of God... it’s new age belief, compromise. It’s a rock concert that motivates people with a sprinkle of Jesus.
Dominic Gomez “A Ted Talk with a Bible verse”
I’ve lost my faith in the church BUT my faith in God has never been stronger! I thank God for all of our (many) trials! They have only served to bring my husband and so closer to God! 😇
The problem with a lot of churches in North America is that they're so institutionalized. Even to the point where becoming more worldly and more attractive. Pastors like Joel Osteen who preach prosperity gospel and not truth from the word of God.
It's honestly the same reason everytime. Never let the church interfere with your relationship with God
I'm a Christian but these megachurches just isn't what Christianity is about.
They're definitely not. Mostly about money and power. At least from my experience. I left one, too, after, giving five strong years.
Yep! so sad
*You people need to learn what a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy is.*
It seems safe to say that giving to Joel Osteen's church is a sin.
You folks haven't been reading your Bibles closely, eh?
Nowhere in Scripture does it mention a small congregation (or larger) is "more obedient" to the Lord. Where do you even get that nonsense?
Look at the assembly in Jerusalem, which grew from 12 "members" to roughly -- according to scholars -- fifty-thousand (in Acts) "members." We don't see any rebuking of that Jerusalem congregation. What is seen is the Temple could no longer hold the sheer number -- and house meetings began to occur. By Acts 15 the Jerusalem congregation is enormous.
Stop reading your ideas in the Text in order to sound spiritual -- and just allow the Bible to speak for itself. God's Word doesn't need any assistance.
this makes me sad...if the church made you stop believing in God then you weren’t believing in God you were believing in church.
Or maybe how the church "believes in God" is actually not doing it right and turns people off, yes?
They were believing in a different God, a different perception of God that was presented by that church. For example, they believed that if you pray enough God will give you a child, that relationship with God is like a deal, the better Christian you are the better things you can expect. Gungors realized it's not true.
They believe in church instead of God
Well done the church then.
The bible stopped me from believing in a god.
Going to church DOESN'T make you a Christian its only a place to go on Sunday to worship Jesus
But church doesn't make you a Christian God does
Jesus did not want to be worshiped. Also directed us to God. He claimed oneness but that does not make you God. The arguments continue. The fall of man is an exposed myth. Take care from atheist/agnostic Lee.
Your faith makes you a Christian.
Going to church doesn't make you into a Christian any more than going to McDonald's makes you into a burger. She's full of herself, it's all about Me Me Me Me Me. Shameful.
Religion is not a transactional process. Prosperity Gospel let her down.
Genuinely I ask, it's not? From the outside it very much looks like one. A million billion sacrifices big and small from benign to unconscionable made for thousands of years so some god will make the crops grow or ensure victory in battle or answer a prayer.
@@davethompson1687 He meant Christianity is not a transactional process. God is not a genie in a bottle. He has his own will which is perfect. So if we are in control of everything by works, there is not point in God. Jesus did many good deeds. He healed the paralytics, lepers, and the lame, but they still spat on him, mocked him, and crucified him. You can also look at other people in the Bible which were persecuted for serving God.
Cheap grace, Jesus is costly
I would like ur comment but it has 69 likes
@@xavierbondwe4877 very well put :)
Not religious anymore.... but when I was in didn't like megachurches. It always felt like capitalism and religion had a very hungry baby.
Communist?
Nothing wrong with capitalism or religion.
@Catzer Urois, true, but anything can become bad when taken to the extreme
Well they didn't just want your money, being able to tell you how to vote also gives mega "churches" power.
More like cults, really.
TheDustyForest I didn't say anything about taking religion to the extreme.
Buzzfeed, why do you falsely misrepresent Lisa in your video here? She is not an atheist according to her Instagram response to your video. She still believes in God, so your video's entire premise is false.
@Marcos Estevez how
Buzzfeed does things like this on purpose. They use clickbait for viewership.
@Marcos Estevez Edgy
The video doesn't say that she's atheist either
Just like Buzfeed
I’ve spent the last year plus really delving into my relationship with God deeply. Do you know what I learned? I can pray for what I want until I am blue in the face and never get an ounce of it.
That doesn’t mean I don’t believe in God. I tried. I felt like I was trying to strong arm God into getting what I wanted. But, as my relationship deepened with God I realized who I was in relation to him. I was a child who was trying to tell God I knew what was best for me. My prayers changed when I realized this. God’s not a wish granting genie. He’s the creator of the universe and I am but a child.
The wisest man in the Bible, Solomon, in his prayer referred to himself as a child. If the wisest man called himself but a child to God, that makes me an infant. A newborn. I can pray for what I want, but the only prayer that matters is the prayer of obedient submission to the will of the one who made and loves me and knows what’s best for me. I can trust him no matter what happens to me because he will work it all out for his good, if not in this life the next.
Love this. So true and I'm ministered to by this. Thank you 😊
you do know you can make your own choices, as Jews say, the last time God told them what to do, he was voted out, like your relationship with God doesn't have to be one of submission, like Christians and Muslims don't know that they have a godgiven right to be mad at God, to argue with him, to be friendly with him to have other gods and to be free from god
nromk You completely missed the point
beautiful
Thanks everyone for the nice replies. Honestly, this is something I need to remind myself of a lot even now. I’m glad that God could use my words to minister to you all.
It looks like she fell in love with the church and not Jesus 🤔☹️😔
Pretty sure it's the opposite, but BuzzFeed doesn't want you to know that of course
Wrong Adlin. She did love Jesus Christ which isn't even his authentic name. Letter J did not exist in his language. I dont reject Yeshua as a man. Certainly not but I still dont believe in God. I believe in the goodness if humanity wherever you may find it. God? I thank God every day that he doesnt exist. We are God because we do the action. No evidence God does anything. This is not a new age idea. It is the oldest. I doubt there is anything more than this life. Love you all anyways from Buddhist oriented agnostic Lee.
@@leegleissner9771 right bud.
I think the opposite happened. She fell in love with Jesus, but the religious church made her not to focus on the Jesus she fell in love, but in their religion and their Jesus.
@@leegleissner9771 where does she say she loves Jesus?
My story is the exact opposite. I was touring the world as a secular DJ/entertainer. We did events with up to 100,000+ people. However, I eventually found that nothing was worth more than God. So, on Nov. 20th 2011, I canceled all of my secular events & went into the church... My sister, there has never been a better period of time in my entire life. I have no mega church, no riches, & I’m not famous anymore, but I have a committed relationship with the one true God of the universe & the salvation that he brings. Trust God my sister. It’s not too late to go back home. Believe God, more than you believe anyone else in this entire world, including yourself... Much blessings to you and yours, as you make your way back to the father #InJesusNameAmen 🙏
True salvation involves repentance amen.
Hallelujah!!!
@Brandy Pompeo Thank you sister that is true Love you will correct me if I am on the wrong path and encourage me to keep pressing on GOD bless you Sister. 😁
Those were beautiful words, God bless you.
I'm sure God's looking down on you saying "Well done my son" ...what a cool testimony!
Everyone, THIS VIDEO IS VERY MISLEADING. Lisa Gungor herself explained in her band's instagram post that the interview was misleading. She did TRIED to not believe in God for A DAY. She clarified what actually her story is in her instagram. Buzzfeed, I'm so disappointed. I did not think that buzzfeed would go this LOW.
Do you know what buzzfeed is? It's in the name it's creates drama that makes people buzz around then they feed it to you on a silver platter to get money
yea that makes sense.. it's just that it's very unethical to spin someone's story like this.. i get it if it was just a clickbait, but this is just pure sabotage.
Wow really? Dam
This needs more likes. Pathetic clickbait from BuzzFeed (not that we should be surprised)
Wow
Your faith should not have been in the church or yourself to begin with. Your faith should be in Christ alone. I hope that it is now.
She lost her faith in the megachurch? Faith never starts with a church or a pastor including a warm-and-fuzzy congregation or music program. In faith the target is always Jesus Christ nothing more nothing less! 😲
E/YBARRA----Who tells me what holy scripture means ? There are thousands of churches that disagree on the what HIS sacred words mean. Do I make up my own church like all the other ones ?
Ernesto Ybarra amen!
The church seems to have lost sight of that when they tell people things like they told her, which is why she drifted away from the church. Drifting away from the church isn't the same thing as drifting away from God if the church fails to practice what they preach.
@@Outoftheboxhomeorganizing Indeed always exercise discretion in what is being preached especially outside the Scriptures
Buzzfeed literally edited it that way and had misleading titles
It’s because you were listening to the church and not to god...don’t follow religion. Christianity is about your relationship with the lord. plus jesus came for the sick people which are us the church people so not everyone at church is prefect.
Christianity is literally a religion.
Maksie0 it’s about your relationship with the lord not by following religion....
But the belief that this god exists in the first place is a religious belief. And how do you have a relationship with something that is undetectable?
Maksie0 can you detect the air your breathing? The answer is No.
it’s the same thing, you can’t detect god unless you accept him as a savior. Let me give you another example...can you get a hair cut with out going to the barber? No, same thing with Jesus, you can’t experience him if you don’t go to him.
You can absolutely detect air. We can study the exact molecules that make up the air we breathe, we can fill a balloon with it, you can even store it in a tank and use it to breathe underwater! And yes, you can get your hair cut without going to the barber! Literally just hand a pair of scissors to a friend you reasonably trust! Did you think these analogies through?
My son died 28 of allergic reaction to some medicine that he took. He left behind three children and a beautiful wife. My daughter was in a scandalous court case where my whole family was under scrutiny. Suffering is part of every life including Christians. My encounter with the living God can never be changed. I’ve met the man Christ Jesus. I was atheist until I was 26. And one day the presence of God consume my living room when I was all by myself with no media on. And even when I want to get away he is there. I didn’t fall in love with a message or a organization or a church. I fell in love with Jesus
I am glad your faith has been a strength during your difficult time. Deepest condolences for the death of your son. The loss of a child is the worst pain a parent can feel. Look after yourself and your family. ❤
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!
Powerful testimony Mike Smith. No one doubts proof or convinctions of a personal encounter.
I got goosebumps reading this so true.Amen!
Truly touched by your comment. No Mather what you think, He is always there!!! I love that.
That's what happens when we dream in Churches.
Faith comes from hearing ... Hearing the word of God..
@Pivos Pivepic my comment is bit harsh... I'm sorry for that ... People should go directly to God instead of any alternative. In the beginning of my faith I couldn't even understand single verse I was mad at God used to argue him and asked him directly that I'm a fool I can't understand this bible .. please help.. then . Behold.. god made noise Turned into music ...Because faith comes by hearing( understanding) from God.. I mean not literal voice sometimes if necessary he will... God be with you too... See you in heaven
Amen 💓💓
This video breaks my heart, and the comments to this video even more so. Too many people making statements about them and their faith that are completely ungrounded.
If you are Christian and truly care about this family, pray for them and let them know that they are loved. What good does it do to make claims like “if they ever believed or not?”
How about we focus on displaying the Gospel in our actions (and comments) and praying that God may work miracles through that?
I am pretty sure most of them are praying for her and her husband. They aren't judging her, they are just speaking the truth of Christianity. They, including me, want to lead her into the right direction. The prosperity gospel is a very manipulating path to go down, and you must have a very twisted up tremendous faith to believe that believing in God would give you a good Earthly life with all the riches you've ever wanted. Jesus doesn't want us to get comfortable with the world, rather to get comfortable in heaven where our permanent "settlements" will be.
There's a difference between religious and having a relationship with God.
If you do not have a relationship with God youre not really religious
Haa? You just describe the definition of religious
Yea difference is if you have a one on one relationship with "God" your just delusional by yourself...
Amen!!!
Amen
Its important that people seek on their own. I wasn't raised in church. Jesus saved my life. But.. Jesus without the holy spirit is just a religion. We can't do it without the helper. Many Christians don't even know what that means. All it takes is a heart humble enough to say God help me know the truth. He will bring someone to you. That's for all of you who won't even give God a chance. True Christianity is absolutely beautiful.
Amen I agree
Yes yes and Yes! Christianity without the Holy Spirit is like a bird with no wings! Just a religion!
Amen also spell the Holy Spirit with capital letters it shows you fear God 🙃
Who did he bring to you?
Mormons dont believe in the holy spirit and jehovahs. They think its just a figment of imagination. They also believe in a mother of God, and certian structural things you cannot do. She wasnt trying to sound biblical she was just sharing an opinion. But I am a Church of England worship leader, so I wouldnt set what I said in stone.
I was in "ministry" for 25 years. After several terrible experiences of getting steamrolled by this thing we all call "church", I walked away. It's been 11 years since I consistently attended "church", but my faith in the Lord is alive and well. I think for me, leaving helped me to detox from all the toxic religiosity that exists in these systems we have declared to be "the way" to flesh out the life of a Believer. People have chastised me about my need for the body, but honestly, how much of "the body" do we really get to know in deep and meaningful ways at these services? We sit in rows, stand up, sit down (repeat x 10), then we leave smile, shake hands, and in our hearts know who our real tribe members are. I love the Lord Jesus and want to serve and love Him, but I'm not sure "church" is the best way to live out being His child in this broken world.
That's only proves what Stephen warned, in Acts: “But the Most High does not dwell in temples made by the hands of men… ” (Acts 7:48). Paul will repeat the same sound New Testament doctrine: "The God who made the world and all that is in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made by the hands of men" (Acts 17:24). That's why people is disappointed, in great anguish, with organizations because he associates God with organizations, but He is not there. Never been there. This is a biblical statement.
If you love Christ then you will love His church.
A sad misinterpretation of Christianity.
How do you know Christianity is even the correct religion?
it's Buzz feed, what do you expect?
Isn't misinterpretation common?! God could of done a much better job.
Its a Wrong religion in the first place.
indeed.
I think that as children grow up, it's extremely important to allow them to explore and question rather than blindly accept what they have been told. Obviously, most parents are raising their children with values and beliefs that they truly think are best for them. Personally, my parents are religious but I am not. I think it's extremely hard for parents to allow or accept questioning when it comes to religion, but to me it would make the faith much more meaningful and valuable if you question and truly understand *why* you believe what you believe.
So true!
Everyone is religious one way or another. You are not clear about what you mean by your parents being religious. But Christianity, being the awesome truth that it is, encourages questions, learning and apologetics. Anyone that says otherwise hasn't read the Bible.
This should apply to everything though not just religion. People don't want you to question other things like science and history n such. Science has been disproven several times in certain areas (such as flat earth or the way time works etc) and history can be misleading or it can omit information (like black slave owners). People everywhere want us to blindly believe in lots of things so that we can be controlled (usually to gain political power). We should question everything.
You covered everything I think! I completely agree.
I believe in God but I must say I also agree. Obviously if you have children and you are of a certain religious belief, you will encourage that lifestyle in your houshold, but let your kids understand it. Dont just tell them to believe it. I grew up in a very strict religious household and very sheltered. I never really "left the church", but i did have my points of doubt and questions. I had to do mh own personal understanding to come to what I believe after watvhing many debates, getting INTO many debates, and just reading up the bools myself. I never would have been able to have the relationship with God I do now if i just blindly went with things and kept being a pew warmer. We have too many people who say they are of a certain religion or belief and dont care to know why or how to answer the major questions. I dont think you have to be a scholar to who knows the absolute tiniest details, but at least take some time to reflect and reach out and think with an unbiased mind. God bless.
Hopefully if buzzfeed is truly honest and objective news they'll also interview someone who has gone in the opposite direction (unchurched but found God) I can promise you that from my experience their stories are far more interesting.
Perhaps her interview was edited with a specific agenda in mind?
Like Unbelief in God is a Life Success Story now? Oh God.
I can assure you that it is not their agenda or in their best interest. Society and mass media at large are more concerned and interested in "loosing their religion and BELIEF in GOD" nowadays. It's only convenient to profess a belief in God after a mass shooting, terrorist attack or natural disaster.
Why would doing that equate to "honest" or "objective"?
@@BimboYerro Of course it is, religion is a terrible thing
A good portion of mega churches today preaches the prosperity gospel.
Very sad indeed, but that's why they attract a big following.
I admire their honesty and the fact that they faced their doubts and misconceptions about God! Many people just believe something blindly without questioning it. Sad that when you express those doubts or fears, many times you're osrisized or shunned for it!
Bad things don't happen to good people?? Job lost everything and he was considered the most righteous man in his time. Jesus is literally the Son of God and he was crucified. Not sure what book they are reading in that "mega church" but we can safely say it was not the Bible.
"Bad things don't happen to good people??"
*WOW! Come out swinging with a strawman. She never stated that bad things don't happen to good people.*
"Jesus is literally the Son of God"
*Evidence your ridiculous claim.*
@@AsixA6 actually that was the entire basis of her apostasy.
I agree. I say this couples doubt is normal, however their approach to it was bad.
*No, it wasn't. She said nothing about good people having bad things happen to them. Do you even realize she still believes an invisible magician exists? You'll notice that she never said she stopped being a theist and numerous people here have commented that she's still stuck in the delusion that magic is real.*
Shut up, Anthony. Go laugh at women getting punched in the face like a good ole Christian boy.
WAIT!!!!!! I am CONFUSED!!!!!!! In this video it seems that she no longer believes in God. In her INSTAGRAM, she says from her page, "To be clear, I am not an atheist, nor did I pastor a mega church. I was a music leader at a mega church, yes. Michael and I started a small church in Denver, yep. I struggled with belief A LOT, tried to be an atheist for a day (I failed). The video title was out of my hands and also out of the producers hands. I didn’t even know what the title was going to be. I wasn’t sure what to say about it yesterday or if it needed to be cleared up. I don’t think our stories are ever completely understood by everyone; sometimes you just let the story be, but this one was too misleading for me because actually, I see God everywhere."
From what I have seen onlibe, Buzzfeed is a pro-atheistic site that does not attempt to tell the truth, but splatters lies and creates stories and propaganda to get young adult views, and spread hatred.
Oh wow I thought watching the video and reading the video title was a mismatch. Nice try Buzzfeed what a fail!!! Talk about clickbait :(
That's why "Real Video" is taking so many away from you tube!!
What do u mean ? I checked her Instagram and i didn’t find anything
The_Player_ XD_1 It is a magenta color background with white letters saying, "CORRECTION In case you were wondering about the previous posted video...". She goes on to give a long explanation.
The only difference here is.. Believing a God and believing a Church!
A temple and a God has a huge difference!!
I was going to share my personal views in hopes of feeling less alone in them but then i looked through the comments and decided against it.
"my faith has been a transaction. if i'm good enough or i pray enough or if i believe enough...then i get blessings...a baby...a good life. that's not how life is." That's also not what the Gospel is either. It's actually the exact opposite of the good news of Jesus and her description of her Christianity really demonstrates that she did not have a deep and intimate enough understanding of her relationship with God - who in his word makes clear that his love for us is not performance based at all.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and thi sis not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Amen
I Absolutely Agree With You
I also found that odd, whatever happened to the verse “in this world you will have trouble..” I was always raised to expect some hardship and that our relationship with God oscillates (as is the case in any relationship). Granted, this is easier said than done but as a pastor, shouldn’t she have known this?
Truth!!
Didn't read her Bible enough!
dedmanic I completely agree with you. God bless you for this revelation
THE TRANSACTION MODEL IS NOT BIBLICAL.
You cannot pray your problems away, you can only have assurety that where you are and where you're going is the best path for you and those around you.
Trust in God, and lean not on your own understanding.
That's exactly what she said, genius.
Repent vile Christian. You are all in denial and choose to follow false gods. May our great Flying Spaghetti Monster have piety on your souls. Ramen!
@A theism That's really condescending.
@@jen4264 It's not my fault you choose to worship false gods.
You think the Jews trusted in God in those camps?
I feel for this women. She was taught a "prosperity" gospel also known as "The Law of Attraction", which is unbiblical and then they used it against her. That's why God warns us of false prophets because unfortunately it is prevalent in the church. The Bible doesn't ever teach that we are good either. Actually on the contrary, we are fallen creatures. Additionally, we are to also pray Lord your will not my will. In other words, it's not I want this and that, God isn't a genie in a bottle you just rub and pooof he appears. Lastly, we are encouraged to question as some in The Bible wrestled with God. I understand where she's coming from, from a religious perspective, but we should not throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to Christ.
Thanks for finally changing that highly misleading title. Don't ever do that again, BuzzFeed.
Wow, we're lucky they even did that. BuzzFeed is awful.
What was it before?
@@cassandra771 it said something like "I Stopped Believing God After Pastoring a Megachurch" wanting to make it seem as if she's atheist. buzzfeed sucks but it's also only giving the masses what it wants.
She was clearly religious and didnt really had a relationship with God. she basically said that she believed that if you prayed more you get blessings. and at the end she said this happens in every religion. but i cant blame her though, growing in a strictly christian environment and big megachurches tend to stray away from deeper relationship with God and more on works and rules which is really sad.
N D like I’m thinking that too like I literally have questions about the faith and wonder but it’s hard for me to deny a relationship ship with God (eternity is something not to take lightly and to be honest I’ve had things happen supernatural things)like a personally relationship meaning him walking with you in day to day life always guiding . Encouraging strengthen I. Different ways whether through post on Facebook that touches your heart , hearing a word sermon that you needed or Him literally speaking to me or a dream I had or His Holy Spirit a great gift talking with me
I have doubts but I guess I’m sort of on Crux near hereticism but like I’m just going to seek
Matthew 7:7-9
Notice she did not mention like Him speaking to her
? Did she not by herself one to one cry out to God or talks with him had she not waited for Him to speak back with her
It’s drives me a bit crazy because it’s not like it can’t be done (hearing Him)
I remember being mad At God about ( maybe it was related to worries of hell something like that)and based on what I was told to do to hear Him,
Literally was in my bed crouched down and waited as quiet as I could for awhile to Hear Him . eventually I heard Him speak and say something like or exactly like
“ I want my children to be strong and free and not coming to me in judgement “
I l feel she needs to seek to have a relationship with God hearing Him . Maybe she do any need to hear literally but like I mean considering the doubts she has and troubles maybe that would help her know he truth..
Like to connect with the living God!!
How can you "clearly" make a judgement call off of a 7 minute video?
You don't know anything about her. Take some time to hear her story and then make judgements... Or also just don't make judgments.
I can tell you that this video was edited in a way that hollowed out the story.
You can find more of it on The Liturgists Podcast or in her book "The Most Beautiful Thing I've Seen"
You don't know that. You have no idea if she had a "relationship".
Why is it sad? She's happy and free. Both her and her husband. That's sad? lol
I mean this in the most respectful and empathic way, but I agree with you 100%
She never said those words, “I stopped believing in God after I pastored a mega church.” Once you have heard her testimony you know the title in itself is click bait. I don’t like how Buzz-feed has done this. But they’re creating a buzz and I hope people are touched in the most united way. No same believer believes in the exact same thing. Even our convictions are different. I mean honestly, has anyone seriously sat down and counted the number of denominations the church has??? God has called us to “love thy neighbor as we would love ourselves” that includes loving without judgment or at least attempting to. God bless her for her honesty even though it’s bittersweet. Faith is a work in progress. Complete faith is what we aim to have our whole lives but it’s not something that many can say they have. That’s why life is considered “long-suffering”. It’s hard and it’s beautiful and it has many hard lessons.
Only heard her say the husband said he didn't bliv in God anymore. Clickbait.
This is probably the most truthful statement on this dialogue. PRAISE GOD.
Amen! We are all a work in progress, and God didn't create robots and doesn't expect us to be robots, either! We question people, God, other Christians and even the Bible. God knows we will do this. Christians are all different as all human beings are. Pray, faith, relationship with Jesus and Bible study are very important. A good church is, too.
I agree and I am an agnostic/atheist...and I am happy that way :)
...you'd think an all powerful benevolent being would have made things a bit clearer...?...
I left the church and found Christ in a mighty way. Im sorry they experienced this hurt
This resonated with what I am going through. Thank you Lisa for your honesty. Be blessed.
Now make a why I started believing in God video
Mary Pauline Palacio doubt it, they would get to much backlash, even the do called 'diverse' buzzfeed are to scared to make a video about God. They too scared of atheists getting triggered. If they do, God bless them!
Why would they? It’s a video to give emphasis on something taboo that is rarely ever shown or spoken of. People believing in god is super common and not at all taboo so showing a video of someone finding god is not an uncommon and rare thing that will reach people that usually can’t be reached by regular exposure to society. Stop derailing the conversations.
We are talking about atheism and lack of faith. You don’t go onto videos about breast cancer and ask why they haven’t mentioned skin cancer or ovarian cancer, do you? It’s because they’re trying to bring awareness to what people don’t commonly know
Why should they? It's over-saturated with stories like that. Every single religious person could tell you those stories. They even hunt you down the street to try and convince you. Buzzfeed chose to represent those with no support, no mega worldwide religion to back them up. No one is telling their stories of becoming atheist. Buzzfeed wanted to give the perspective of that, because there are tons of "why I believe in god" stories but nothing the other way. Why can't you religious people EVER respect others? Why can you never respect and accept that not everyone wants to be part of your mega corporation/religion? Stop sulking, and stop demanding attention when this video isn't about you. Ugh.
YES PLEASE. do you want to make one, seriously though, i really want to help if that's the case. #pleasecallmeajesusfreak
Mary Pauline Palacio lol they won’t do that. They only want to push their own agenda. Buzzfeed freaking sucks. Haha
Honestly i think she just had misrepresented thoughts of what being a Christian actually is
How obtuse are you to tell her what HER thoughts and ideas were??
Kaleb R - What do you mean? Where?
No I’m pretty sure this is an accurate representation of the ridiculousness of church based Christianity.
If you pray to god he will totally let your football team win this Sunday but he won’t do anything about starving children or children experiencing child abuse.
you all know Faylin's comment makes sense and it's something that is blatantly apparent in today's world. Most religious people seem to turn a blind eye on this logic though perhaps reality isn't something that everyone can swallow.
Why do Christians always say this? Like, if Christianity doesn’t work, it’s just that you’re doing it wrong. How do you know they’re doing it wrong?
Imagine if we did that with anything else: “this medicine is amazing! It always works! And if it doesn’t, it’s because you’re doing it wrong.”
C.S Lewis literally said "If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don't recommend Christianity."
I love Lisa and Michael and their courage to ask honest questions and stand up to the evangelical-industrial complex when they found it has misrepresented the Gospel.
The vicious comments of the haters say far more about them than about these beloved children of God. In a generation they will be seen as the heroes of the faith instead of the pariahs they have sadly become
We do not have any right to judge them what so ever. I am a Christian but what i do believe in is having a relationship with God. Not so much the religion aspect to where we have to follow all his rules but to let God know me and to let God in. But yeah we should not condemn her and her family but have open arms to welcome them back in if they would like.
Noel Dancel I don’t think most people know that Christianity is about the relationship with you and God but they think it’s about the Religion and following all the laws but we’ve got to tell them that Jesus loves them for who they are; no matter what they’ve done.
Noel Dancel exactly, I always hate it when they blame all churches for one specific church that shunned them. We are not all like that. And we’re sorry
Anthony Torres thank you! That’s so true
What god
Anthony Torres i mean there are laws to follow, and he makes them so that he stays center in our lives and that we don’t stray from him. But we all stray from him and sin and that’s reality, it’s impossible to be perfect, and its a battle we gotta fight together as one
She found a church...she found a boy who was "very christian"...but she didn't mention if she sought and found Christ. Being a part of a church doesn't automatically make you a Christian. We must seek the Kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33) and be born again (John 3:3) and this is only possible through Jesus Christ who is THE WAY, THE TRUTH amd THE LIFE. (John 14:6)
Yea...I feel her been so young also allowed for her naivety. You cannot hinge your faith on another person's faith.
fyber777 amen!
AMEN!!!
Amen
Amen
aw babe- i don't who tried to show you jesus but they did it all wrong. He still loves you though and so do we
aw babe- I don't who tried to show you Jesus but they were all wrong. There is no reason to believe in this magical sky daddy.
@@darklogic6998 no one showed him to me, found him on my own. but i don't expect you to get that at all. thanks for the input tho.
@@karadanielle7203 My argument was based on lack of reasoning, not if someone actually tried to show your religion.
@@darklogic6998 im aware
Dark Logic Jesus loves you and if u want or not brother every knee will bow and every toung will confess that he is God Hallelujah!!
Lisa you have a beautiful spirit, thank you for being open and honest. God has great things in store for you, His daughter.
God is still on his throne 🙌🏾🙌🏾 and the church is NOT his throne!!
Trish Saint Amen !!!
When the church is mentioned in the bible, its not talking about a building it's talking about the people who come together in fellowship to worship God.
@@vonicabuki7377 yes I know but this video is talking about the religious definition of church, not biblical and my comment is in reference to that!
Atheism :)
PolarBear :3 No, but the Church, the real and true Church (hence the capital C) is the Body of Christ, and He is coming back for a perfect Church without spot or blemish.
I thats why i stopped follow church beliefs but listen to God himself. I had to stop giving pastors and church a place higher than God.
KXNG KXNG he speaks to mike pence too
KXNG KXNG player, you dont know that God speaks? you still behind. u think a phone is the only communication tool? read the bible and found out how the old apostles spoke to God.
Rach Elle tonyevans.org will give you strong spiritual food. I encourage you to listen to the messages.
KXNG KXNG he speak through signs and people it's like talking in codes. If you cant see them or even in touch with his presence then you wouldn't hear him
My friend, whilst partially I agree, do not forget that the church has been established by Christ himself and we are his body. Jesus without Church cannot be. But yeah, Jesus should be the head and not the other way round.
I’ve been there too not believing in a great power but that’s all before I started to understand how much suffering is in this world and how easy it is for someone to lose a grip of their situation. Having gone through hard time I only saw how much harder it is for others and then I started to count my blessings so to speak. The fact that the two of you became one and lasted this long and in such a way is a blessing of it’s own and be thankful for it.
The Lord still makes “beautiful things” out of the dust, and out of the darkness. His light is able to overcome any dark doubts and to use this story as a testimony. May the good Lord deliver this beautiful family away from the enemy’s lies into the hands of a blessed Savior who is ever true.
The most divided comment section I've seen in a while, and for obvious reasons.
Dont call yourself an idiot. Be more compassionate toward yourself.
Carlos Parra well said!😂🤣😂🤣
This video is misleading, Lisa herself clarified this in her band's instagram post. She did not lose her faith. go to @gungormusic
Lost my faith in "the church"...
Faith was in the wrong place...
I heard people saying they purposely left out the fact that she is still a Christian and she just doesn't agree with the MegaChurch, which I don't as well. It's buzzfeed, what do you expect?
Zack Hughes that’s not what she meant. What she’s saying is that she lost her faith in their ability to spread the word effectively
Zack Hughes Oooh THIS is good. 🙌🙌
They were in a church that could be considered any of the following:
Pentecostal, Charismatic, Full Gospel, Word Of Faith, Prosperity Gospel Preaching, Healing Gospel Preaching.
All of these messages are heresies. I left a small church that preached these things for the same reasons they did, but I didn't stop trusting God. I now go to a non-denominational fundamentalist church where those heresies aren't preached.
My wife and I can relate to her story since we faced the same accusations they did, even as I questioned their theology with reasonable and logical questions, many of which they either couldn't answer or answered incorrectly, all the while indirectly putting the blame on us rather than the church for its wrong theology. The churches that fall under any of the categories I listed above can be considered very dangerous because of the heresies they preach. They also tend to fill the church buildings with false converts (people who "think" they are soundly saved but are not actually saved) because even if they preach born again and hell, they often give their congregations a false sense of salvation since neither justification or sanctification have actually taken place in the supposed believer. False converts never actually repented of sin (because they were never made to tremble at the law of the 10 commandments) nor put their faith in Jesus because sin, repentance, and faith in Jesus were never preached in the first place (OR, they were watered down to no effect). Also, these churches teach people to come to Christ for all the wrong reasons, and they will be rightly judged by God on Judgment Day.
Visit www.needgod.com and/or www.areyouagoodperson.org if you are unsure of your salvation. Lastly, visit www.livingwaters.com and listen to their free messages called "Hell's Best Kept Secret" and "True And False Conversion". God bless you.
Thank you for changing the title to more accurately reflect what she talked about during the full interview.
For those who don't know, Lisa Gungor posted this on her Instagram the day after BuzzFeed posted this video:
To be clear, I am not an atheist, nor did I pastor a mega church. I was a music leader at a mega church, yes. Michael and I started a small church in Denver, yep. I struggled with belief A LOT, tried to be an atheist for a day (I failed). The video title was out of my hands and also out of the producers hands. I didn’t even know what the title was going to be. I wasn’t sure what to say about it yesterday or if it needed to be cleared up. I don’t think our stories are ever completely understood by everyone; sometimes you just let the story be, but this one was too misleading for me because actually, I see God everywhere. I understand why some people end up subscribing to Atheism, but to say I did would be so far from the truth. A lot of what I said was cut out for sake of time, and I didn’t have say over what was kept and what was taken out. I do love a lot of what was kept in. It’s a catchy title for sure.
Ok, thanks that make a lot of sense. So if you want to say something say it on your Twitter or UA-cam account. Just like Trump does it. So no one will twist your words and meaning of them.
Thanks man!!
How on earth do you “try” to be an atheist for a day? You don’t have to do anything to be an atheist, so “trying” to be one is categorically incorrect.
I say you have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s the indoctrination of religion that leads you to believe that everyone MUST believe in something no matter what position they take, they teach you that humans are naturally made for worship. But evidently it’s not true.
She should consider Christianity.
Love you brother. Amen God's everywhere. People make excuses for sin
Relationship Not Religion. Grow in Christ not the church.
Why do so many Christians try to pretend Christianity isn't a religion?
Maksie0 Maksie0 Who said im pretending! Lol you are right! Christianity is considered a religion but my point is many Christians focus on the religion aspect of their faith and the people that fall within that religion rather than focusing on a relationship with Christ and what it means to follow Christ. This is something I’ve been learning lately myself. Its not about church its about Christ although Christ can be within the church! :)
Why do so many people try to believe that Atheism isn't a religion? (Please do me and yourself a favor and do some research before answering!)
Atheism is a lack of belief in theistic claims. A single position on a single issue. How is that in any way a religion?
Religion means relationship. Christ founded a Church. How can you love the King and not do your part to grow His Kingdom?
All the incredibly condescending, patronizing religious folks in the comments making judgements, assumptions, criticisms, etc are just proving this woman's narrative and experience more and more.
David Melgar they are blinded by their faith and refuse to accept than anyone can come to a different conclusion than them.
Her focus was not on God. Read the Bible, look at the life of Jesus. God says following him is never easy. Obviously we comment because we know the Gospel, go and read it
It's really disheartening to read all these peoples comments. I expected people to be kinder to them and was excited to read the comments and was just blown away by how negative people are. I feel for her because losing your faith is hard and like recovering from that is difficult when you've built your whole world around it. I lost my train of thought. Anyway, your comment made me feel better for some reason.
@@amandaraghunandan5857 You're so blind to your own arrogance and circular logic that it's left you deeply callous to millions of people like this woman and others. Sad.
@@SleepyQuiet Thank you! I try heh. Empathy is of growing rarity and need it seems
I don't know why people sometimes think God is a magician, or he can wave his hands and all the bad things in the world would disappear. Bad things happen but God still remains God.. please get to know him yourself instead of believing everything you're told by a human figure
God literally uses magic spells to perform supernatural feats according to your book.
@@Maksie0 😂😂😂😂 honestly
A little disappointed in the lack of integrity of sharing both sides from this company. I would love to see Buzzfeed do a video about a testimony of how believing in God changed someone’s life for the good. I love this channel, but sometimes the videos seem a little pointed against Christianity, which kind of sucks. I would love to see both sides represented!! :)
And to the woman in this video, I am deeply sorry you have had such a bad experience in the church. I whole heartily believe in God, however I feel people’s “doctrine” can be really off and twisted..I’ve totally had people tell me to just “believe harder” or etc... and I don’t think that’s God’s heart for us. We don’t have to “work” for this love.
Yeah...sadly you wont see that though. They clearly have a biased. They wanna make the christians look bad and they want to glorify world teachings
She is still Christian though. She and her husband have a small church. They write beautiful songs about God, faith and life.
Of course they won't do that. Anyway to paint Christ in a negative light, of course they'll show that, because they don't want Christ to look amazing, awesom, holy, true, incredible, wonderful, extraordinary, stunning, marvelous, etc.
I think it's great there are atheist stories being shared. I certainly haven't seen any before.
uhhhh. There is a Buzzfeed video about a stripper who found peace with her job for believing in God. Do your research before pointing fingers please.
Swear that's all Christians do is point fingers. -_-
Her "transactional idea of God" is so wrong on every level.
lmao how
Corban Philo It’s because she’s relying on a fake gospel. A transactional gospel to be exact. When you have your foundations rooted in a fake gospel, you can’t go anywhere and ultimately you turn away when bad things happen. Her church is a big at fault on this, and it’s unfortunate she had to experience this.
@@kshksh5033 Oh, so she's just Jesus-ing all wrong, and gosh, it's too bad she didn't consult you to find out how she's Jesus-ing wrong, so you could have set her straight and avoided all her doubt and eventual apostasy? Do you even half understand how absolutely prideful and mean-spirited and hateful you really are?
Kittens for Peace your over exaggerating..mean-spirited & hateful ? Not necessarily it’s simply truth not all truths are rainbows and unicorns, unfortunately for this women in the video she was drawn away by being in a church that didn’t share a bible centered gospel, the Bible talks about these kinds of church’s that are superficial and are only for show, and warms us Christians to stay away from them. It’s no wonder she apparently stopped believing in god when you’ve been in a superficial church. I’m sure she was earnestly searching for god but she had the wrong people guiding her. I’m only 20 years old and it wasn’t until last year that I became free from 4 years of drug addiction through the power of Jesus Christ, I wasn’t pressured by some church or told to recite some bible verses. But of true repentance/ a change of mind from my sinful life style. And in that I found true freedom in Jesus, being a Christian isn’t a happiness trip to be a Christian it takes courage you must be long suffering because as a Christian I suffer sometimes from things I don’t understand but I keep faith and things have always turned out good. Long suffering and patience is part of being a Christian, but when presented with a fake gospel people don’t understand this and thus they turn away from god.
Kittens for Peace Oh no I pissed someone off for telling her she’s incorrect. Why is there no tolerance for being corrected? Would you have be so reactive if I had said “you can’t drink soup with a fork”? You don’t have to be prideful to know if she’s correct or not. You just have to be able to distinguish a fake gospel from the rest. No I did not hate on her, and I especially didn’t tell her to rot in hell either, as many other Christians would have said to her. I’m not being hateful I’m telling her what she is saying is very wrong because the idea of a mutual deal with God is simply-impossible. She simply does not know what the true gospel is. If what she said was true, wow everyone would be happy in this world. Oh did I say she was wrong for doubting? I said her idea was wrong, can you read? It doesn’t matter what circumstances she has, if Lisa starts off the wrong foot, it’s impossible to go on unless she knows how to get back on track. Everyone experiences doubt. Doubt is part of a journey, and honestly I think you’re taking this way too subjectively.
This was beautiful, simple, and raw. I don’t know where you journeys have lead you, but I am sensing that I can deeply empathize based on my own life experience. My path to apostasy really started when I needed my community the most, and they shunned me. I consider myself fortunate to have been able to experience life the way I have, difficulty and all. Thank you for sharing and for allowing me to share in your experience (even if it was only based on a 7 minute UA-cam video 🙂). It’s devastatingly comforting to know I am not alone ❤️
Its not about a church its about a relationship with the Father.
Father Son Holy Spirit.
God is Love and this earth is passing away.
Then i saw the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven adorned for His Bride.
Jesus is the Christ. Christ in you the Spirit of the Father.
This just tells me she never understood the concept of Grace. She was following what other people told her was supposed to be right but never found her true conviction. Being a believer and a Christian has never been about a church system, the church is made of flawed people, the promise of being a Christian is never that you will be ok, it's quite the opposite, you will find joy in a life full of mistakes and even dark places. I do think that mega churches and some of the crap it's being said in some of them just leads people to believe that if you do X, Y and Z you will have everything figured out.... and it's far from the truth. It saddens me but... oh well.
REALationship y'all
YES. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THIS.
AMEN
YES! Agreed!
She was never given the concept of grace. I hope she meets some old lady or some individual who can approach her about the real concept of grace. People can give you the concept of grace, but it's you who define what grace is.
As a Christian, I appreciate her honesty. Faith without doubt is not faith at all, it is blind orthodoxy. So it is healthy to have a "measured" amount of doubt. Our doubts help us appreciate the faithfulness of God. However, doubt is not a virtue ultimately. When we look solely at a concentration camp or a sick baby, everyone would become an atheist. Too few today are comfortable with tension between two seemingly competing ideologies: a God who is good and human suffering. Most assuredly, they do not compute on this side of heaven. As a pastor, I have doubts how they mesh. I often do not see what God sees when He looks at the world. And yet, I know God is real. I know He is good and more often than not, we are not good (as seen by the Christian comments in this thread). We too often prove God right: we need grace, day after day. We are lost. We are sheep. and God loves us.
Doubt is absolutely a virtue. When there's not sufficient demonstrable evidence for something, doubt is all you should have. And the existence of concentration camps should absolutely make you doubt the idea of a benevolent, omnipotent god.
Concentration camps make me completely doubt people, but not God...not entirely. I have more faith in God than in humanity.
If someone has the ability to effortlessly and instantly stop the holocaust from happening, but chooses not to, what do we call that person?
God was there in their suffering, as He is with us in each of our own trials we face. There is justice here on earth (flawed as it may be); there is also perfect justice after this life. God may not have intervened as we would have wished, but there is absolute judgement for those men who carried out the Holocaust. The question of "Why didn't God stop _____?" could be repeated ad nauseam for a whole host of examples. The question of "Why is everything so bad?" isn't the correct question. The more correct question is, "Why isn't everything WORSE?" Its amazing we can experience beauty, love, grace, or life at all.
God gives free will, without it we would be automatons, but unfortunately in a world where men and women can become saints, they also have the proclivity to become the worst demons of hell.
Where was God in the Holocaust? He was hanging on a cross, suffering along with His people. And just as He is risen from death, so too we also may rise if we so choose.
+Maksie0 We hold our tongue in awestruck respect, and we listen to what he actually has to say.
An intelligent human being, is one who knows when to shut up. I wouldn't start accusing someone who is obviously 1,000,000,000 times more intelligent, and 1,000,000,000 times more powerful than me. I'll shut my mouth and listen, because that's how you get wisdom; by listening to someone smarter than yourself.
For no one is cast out by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion. His love never fails.
love that u shared this! Thank u
What do megachurches have to do with GOD? You missed his message. You are the temple.
This.
C G god isn’t real sweetie
C G 💯
Yes, believer are the temple of the Holy Spirit....
Don't be discouraged be these comment. You speak the truth not that they hate it But they are in doubt....
Aubrey William "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." - Psalms 14:1
I believe in God but not religion its a man-made construct to keep people under a democracy or controlled.
This is the most likes I have ever gotten thanks for all the love and participation in the comment section ❤️
Jacinta Religion is used to control people and a lot of people (not all people) use it to spread hate to people who are different. Like gay people, or pro-choice people, or people who are of a different religion. I believe it can be a beautiful thing, until people use it against each other and as a way to spread hate.
@@lj4969 you seem to be missing his point,grammar police..both religion and so-called "democracy" are and have been controlling factors for the masses for a long time..religon longer than democracy but BOTH are malignant tumors on society,they have both brought pain and suffering to humanity..I believe in a higher power,but I am not religious..religion is man's laws disguised as the laws of the Great Creator,spirituality actually ARE the laws of the Great Creator..and that is not "new age" BS,many ancient cultures knew about these universal laws
Agreed.
Zack M., what you've said is true of any social grouping, not only religious. It is the nature of individuals aggregating and the dynamics of identity and exclusion that define the group. The "hatred" may not be against the people who practice homosexual behaviors. If you listen objectively, not from a prejudiced mind of how you think they are hating, you might hear them say, "Love the sinner, hate the sin." Now, if the sinner holds onto the sin and the Christian hates the behavior and actions, then that judgement appears to be directed at the sinner. However, if that sinner stops sinning, then he or she will be embraced to demonstrate the Christian loved that person all along, but could not condone their actions.
Don't you think you should say good things about Adolf Hitler and not condemn him? After all, he is a person with a different belief than you. Just accept him and love him, even though he wants to destroy every person of the planet who does not fit his mold of what you externals should look like... examining even your DNA? Do you get my point? A homosexual may believe his actions are not immoral, but that does not exclude them from being immoral. Not only that, if the Christian believes they are immoral actions you cannot judge and hate the Christian for hating those actions and refusing to accept the one doing them, until that person stops. The Christian has the freedom to judge and behave and associate with those he or she wishes to. For you to limit the Christian's freedom on this point is to limit his or her Constitutional Rights to Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Association.
Sunshine Hornick, these institutions cannot in and of themselves do anything. People hurt people and that is the Christian message. Since people have sin influencing their decisions, when you aggregate people together who are still operating under that influence to hurt others, then the hurt will be larger and often targeting groups of people identified by some commonality. This behavior is social and is seen in any aggregation of humans operating under the influence of sin, even in many churches that have lost the teachings of distinguishing the influence of the carnal mind versus the leading of the Spirit of cleanness to the point of terrifying (meaning of the Greek word for Holy). John Wesley tried to recover this through his methodical discipleship, St. Ignatius of Loyola tried to teach others through his Spiritual Exercises, and many others have tried to restore this teaching in the Church universal. God continues to raise up those who will guide believers in Christ back to this holiness of separating out the differences between the carnal mind and the mind led by the Holy Spirit.
Crazy question, but does anyone know the name of the tune she is playing at 0:27-0:36??
I don't feel empty or like I'm missing something by not believing in a god. I don't need to believe in a god to want to help others or to be a good person. I don't need to be religious and/or believe in God to enjoy my life. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. No one can use their beliefs or lack-there-of as an excuse to be a cruel person. Being atheist does not affect who I am in any negative way. I do not feel like I am doing anything wrong by not believing in God.
Christianity is not a transactional deal with God, you were badly taught. Its not " if I do good, God must make my life perfect". No, look at Job, look at the apostles .... All had awful torment or persecution, your faith is not dependent on how blessed your life is, your faith must be in God, irrespective of how your life story goes, good or bad.
Noel Myburgh this comment has impacted me. Thank you for writing this. God bless you.
"not a transactional deal with God"
Is there no longer any covenant?
" look at Job,"
If her story was reversed and blessings had her turn to a God, would she be equally wrong?
@@gusb232 if her outcome was reversed she would erroneously believe she is blessed due to her upholding her part of the "deal". Transactional Christianity is a false teaching of works, it stems from prosperity preachers like Copeland and faith healers like Benny Hinn, the idea is you are healed or prosper if you have sufficient faith and give financially to them. If you remain sick or poor, or have problems its all on you, you dont have enough faith, never gave enough money. It puts milliins of people under condemnation, and they dare not complain because then they are making a negative confession, which they think creates the bad situation. Very bad theology.
"stems from prosperity preachers "
Sure those are examples ,But like snake handling churches doesnt it stem from the bible to some degree? Doesnt the Bible promise an inheritance more than the world if you follow its teachings?
Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, 30 who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time
@@gusb232 finish the scriptural reference
As a Christian, it is okay to doubt, it is fine to experience the full rage of the human emotional spectrum that ranges from fear to peace. Interestingly what matters is your relationship with God, not religion and that my friend MUST be personal. There is no other way to go, it is based on Grace NOT works. #GRACE !! (screaming like only a Nigerian could) so stop trying so hard, Christ died for me (and you) even before I came into existence therefore I can't really do anything to impress Him and He doesn't even want me to. All God wants from us is a personal relationship with Him no Strings attached. None whatsoever.
"Doubt"??
Scripture says "Believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved." Not "Doubt on the Lord, Jesus Christ."
If you don't believe it enough to live it.. need to get your money back 'cause you bought the wrong plan.
Prince Harming ~ Ok, calm down, man.
Doubt is different from having questions...
Nobody says "doubt on the Lord". All that we're saying, doubt is a good thing, that means you're thinking, but it's also crucial, because just a slight misinformation would turn you to the other way.
Actually, it is never okay to doubt. Doubt means you do not trust God when you say you do. Doubt is from Satan. And the book of James says anything less than faith is sin, and without faith we can never please God
Out of all the places they went to. Have they seen how small, poor, persecuted churches still have joy in waiting for the Lord's return?
I love my church feel edified and inspired when I go. The pastor puts a lot of effort into his sermons and he's able to hold my attention for a solid 40-minutes. I like seeing what Scripture he teaches on and go home later and research the passages myself. I also like spending time with other believers...the body of Christ. There is a strong sense of community there.
Seems like she didn't hear about Job.
The man who had his life ruined for a bet? Lovely story.
@@Maksie0 You don't understand it. That's okay most don't.
@@josephb5808
I completely see where you are going with Job..... he had his whole "world" torn apart.... and still cried out to God!
What about Jesus? He suffered more than anyone and paid the ultimate price.
You're all extremely heartless. Just because it's reasonable to expect people to suffer, it doesn't give you the right to drive more nails in.. It must be people like you who drove her out..
Guys just because she doesn't believe doesn't mean Shes a terrible person so plz dont hate on her
Thats gay she overcame the brainwashing. What would people hate her?
To hear THIS from Gungor...is so amazing. I used to listen to them when I was in the ministry. I left Christianity and I still listened to some of their music. Love. Live and love. Funny how We were all going through this awakening so to speak. I think they always carried an authenticity with them. 💚 Religion kicked you out, the rest if us say welcome home.
@Avatar What makes you think you have a right to ask me? Wait? What if I NEVER was? That would be a relief 😂.
It‘s funny. The last time I watched this video I was a fundamentalist, conservative Christian. Now I don‘t really know what I am. I definitely feel free now that I don‘t believe in taking the bible literally, but still believe in God.
My parents were shunned for two years from everyone in their church because my mom confronted the Pastor of stealing from the tithing (which was found to be true). It caused my parents divorce and caused an unequivocal amount of stress on my family and I. My mom struggled with alcoholism due to the fact that she was a single mom with four kids, the fourth being diagnosed with a very rare genetic disorder that left her with endless questions, trials and little help. She hated the people that shunned her for two years then asked for her forgiveness after finding out she was in the right. She hated worshiping on a stage that represented everything opposite than what she believed the Christian faith to be. She hated the Christian church for 20 years and firmly believed that she would never step foot into a church again but.... never did she once believe that Jesus wasn’t her Lord and Savior. And after 20 years of being imprisoned by her own hatred she finally found freedom. She’s currently sober for one year and is involved in a church she is confident in; preaching the good word effectively and has only shown her love and respect even after her questioning. She’s inspired/helped hundreds of both single or married moms of kids with disabilities over the last 13 years and continues to give her praise to her constant provider, Jesus. She could go on and on about the moments of complete darkness of her addiction and how the only reason she’s alive today is because of God.
RELIGION makes us believe that we have to be perfect, be “good”, give everything we have to the church/world because we don’t deserve it, always have humility, can never stray away from our faith or the church, or can never question the Bible or even the staff at the Church. That is and never will be realistic and more importantly that’s not what God expects us to do. KNOWING JESUS is being kind, patient, loving, and forgiving yet knowing we are human and are allowed to be angry at times. It’s realizing that our blessings are gifts to use to bless others. It’s remembering that no matter how long we forget about, hate, resent, or question God, God will ALWAYS accept us with open arms. UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE is what teaches us to question our church staff (pastors, preachers, leaders) so that we don’t trust too much in man and be misguided. It reminds us that we should always find hope in darkness because we know God loves us so deeply that nothing we endure is only for the purpose of turmoil but to find clarity and bring us closer to Him and to others.
There are a lot of churches that I believe have become the downfall of the Christian faith. Though, once coming to truly know Jesus, rather than just knowing a church that claims to know Jesus, there is a part of you that could never revert your ways forever. Because you know in your heart that someone who gave his life solely to set you free from your heavy burdens of sin and guilt, could only love you more than anyone or anything else in the universe and would NEVER want you to feel burdened by the pressures of religion, the western world and it’s corrupted systems.
I hope the girl in this video remembers those moments of warmth that she felt when being near to Jesus. The moments that made God’s sovereignty real because there was no way something so perfect could be a coincidence. Remembering those full body chills when singing your favorite worship song and connecting to those lyrics so deeply you couldn’t help but lose it. When being on your knees one night and asking God why you’re going through this horrible situation and a week later God shows you exactly why. When you see something so perfect and beautiful that you can’t help but believe a perfect and beautiful creator constructed it flawlessly. Remember these moments because there’s nothing else in this world that will continue to give you these fulfilling, deep, vibrant, beautiful, complete moments.
Taylor Andrews Thank you SO MUCH FOR SHARING your TESTIMONY !!! Well Said and WELL Needed. May God continue to Strengthen you and your Family.
The problem is that it comes down to evidence, and there just isnt any. Please name one piece of evidence for the existence of your specific God.
Jared Guidry .... name one evidence of the non-existence of God
@@Jay-L33 Gotcha, cosmological argument, consensus for the resurrection, moral argument, fine tuning, etc.
@@rickc2172 Lol you need to learn what "evidence" is. Secondly, there is no such thing as a "consensus" for the resurrection anywhere outside of the faith based community.
The MegaChurch lifestyle and mentality suffocates real Christianity
And you know this how, how many mega churches have yoy attended and really gotten involves with
Clara G religion is a way for people to explain things they don’t understand
Christianity suffocates independent thought
Following Christ is the best thing that ever happened to me. I've been hurt by the church, cast aside, and judged (which doesn't even reflect the truth of the word even). It took me a while but I realized this is not the true church, which should concerns itself with serving others but instead focuses on maintaining/sustaining itself and it's power. But O when I read the WORD it's life and truth that establishes my steps, so I can follow in the footsteps of the One who gave it all to redeem me/us back to HIMSELF! Now this is worth building a life on!
Duane
The non-existence of God has NOTHING to do with the church being wrong and everything to do wit the fact that god doesn't exist, period.
This only illustrates the dangers of the prosperity message that has permeated so much of the modern church. This transactional belief in God makes it easy to walk away from Him when we go long without seeing the things we prayed for. First it makes us doubt ourselves and our faith and then it makes us doubt God Himself. And I’m speaking from experience. I was an ordained minister with the Assemblies of God for years and after years of not seeing the things I was praying for I began to doubt and struggle and was close to never attending church again. Now I’m out of that organization and am much happier in my walk with the Lord. I’m still working to cast off the effects of the these false teachings, but the upside of COVID keeping me out of church has been me seeking God on my own without a pastor telling me what the Bible says.
If there is no God, then what makes ANYTHING evil?
Maybe everything just IS
So, she found that what others told her wasn’t true....... that means that her belief was never built on the Bible but on what she was told by others. She never had a real relationship. She was only in it for the lights and cameras.
So easy to say that, like you know what's best for her. You have seen a 5 min clip and think you have her all figured out.We just need to accept where people are and pray God's will for them, not our flawed will.
Wow you know her so well from a 7min video. lol
The whole concept of spreading the gospel literally is believing what you are told by others
Except, you know, the Bible was written by man and isn’t the word of “god”. But Christians always ignore that fact.
Joe T you do realize the bible is what others said right?
I am living in the middle East. With all the hardships in living in a Muslim country when I'm Christian, I still have faith in God. Trails are a way to have a stronger relationship with God. please stay strong, and have faith. Have a good day♥
God bless u brother
This makes me so happy
I am from a church called light and life mission please look us up god bless
Tony Yohana You will be in my prayers. As followers of Yeshua (Christ) especially in those types of countries, it can be hard, but know that when He returns that He will crown you. Continue to trust in Him and live by the Spirit, and He will direct your path.
And now lets think about what it must be like for all those muslims living in Christian countries, because believe me or not, they face way more discrimination
Matthew 13:5-6 "Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root."
Matthew 13: 20-21 "The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away."
My dream is that people would read the Bible for themselves and come to their own conclusions instead of listening to other people’s opinions. Most people don’t do that.
I did, became an atheist after.