Why Francis Chan Left His Megachurch
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Church is supposed to be family.
"But when it's family, it gets messy. And you start finding out people's dirt. It's messy because it's family. That's what Christ wanted."
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"Idolizing the Pastor" needs to be broken.
Jesus tells us in Matthew 5:16
A friend and I were talking about the term idolizing. There's is more than one meaning to this term. Idolizing can mean to love greatly, admire, look up to, worship etc.
We're not to worship anything or anyone outside of God. For example, I like to listen to Pastor Gino Jennings but at the same time I have the right to have a hobby and entertain myself.
With that being said, I am a Michael Jackson and Prince fan. Is this wrong? Absolutely not, no one can tell me who I can or cannot love. They are people too and I love and miss them both.
Amen, idolizing any man needs to broken, celebrities included. The bible speaks that we should flee from idolatry and that no idolator shall inherit the Kingdom of God. Knowledge is power and reading the bible instead of relying on some wolf to teach it to you is a good start.
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for sure
@@sarajessica5736 nmmmmmmmmmnmnnnnnnnssshhhjiiioop77childre joyner 444reeeesssssssx
Wow! "The gangs are a better picture of a family than the church." May God deliver us from corporate Christianity.
Yep!!! The good old gangs, jump you in, sex you in,WHAT A FAMILY!!!I've heard last year it was in some news that a guy was sexing in other guys. The kid said he thought it would be like being in a gang "they would be with me 24/7"..I love the people I attend church with but 24/7 No thanks...
Gangs are all for being family and dying for a friend as well as being loyal 'till death do you part.
@@nathanbird3664 but try to walk away and they will kill you or a blood relative..or don't they do that anymore ?
In my 22 years on the earth I have never felt accepted or like "family" in any church I have visited it's all a popularity contest among the congregation and "leaders" this I why I permanently left churches I'll stick to having a personal relationship with Yahusha the father and the Holy spirit without a human mediator.
Hi @Russell Taylor- I believe He is🙌
Sounds like Jesus got a hold of this guy and said, time to get back to MY idea for my sheep.
Your sheep probably know the bible better than you and are more holy. Calling them sheep shows pride and inequality, a sin you must repent for. No person is above the lord or another person
@@batmanb8194 Both commenters are simply quoting the Scriptures
@Julie's Heart Healed By Jesus do you believe in what the man says in your video? I don't really get why he says that Francis Chan and the woman in the video are so bad and telling lies...
I'm honest, I don't know Francis Chan I just found out about him today but all I heard was very powerful to me and seemed legit.
Julie's Heart Healed By Jesus
ACCUSER IS NOT THE CHRISTIAN THING TO DO THAT WHAT THE DEVIL JOB IS
EVERY WORD HE SAID WAS THE TRUTH YOU SHOW ME HOW HE HAS SPOKEN LIES
WHAT WAS THE FAITH OF OUR FATHERS IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID
MARTIN LUTHER WAS CATHOLIC AND SO WAS ALL YOUR FOREFATHERS GO READ A BOOK 📚 OR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT
🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪
Michael Kevin Millet
You are wrong about this
The true Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church is noting to do with what you’re saying.
You are not Catholic so do not tell me what I know for fact.
There is one Baptism and one Church.
You read from a different Bible a heretic Bible Post Schism
King James the immoral Homosexual Freemason King who wrote the Demonic Bible
Daemonologie
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemonologie
You deny Christ himself in the Eucharist
You deny the Authority of Christ ministry
You walked away from him ( John 6:22-71)
We Honour Mary his Mother as Jesus Christ himself did and as God himself decreed
We Honour the Saints
(1 Corinthians 6 )
Do you not know that the Saints will judge the Earth and the Angels.
You don’t know Jack about the Catholic Church so do not pretend you do.
Lastly you can not see the truth because you are ignorant of your history
How a King robbed the monasteries murdered
Set himself up as head of a false Church
Removed Christ Jesus himself from the Tabernacle and replaced it with a Pulpit to Subjugate you
Brought ordnance’s and laws under punishment of death you’re forefathers were taken away from the true Church
YES!!! I want to be a part of a church where they WANT to use my gifts instead of it being a popularity contest and seeing being friends with the right people in order to be able to be used.
This is why I'm praying the Lord lead me this year. I been at my church for 5 years in it's like my pastor is afraid of my gifts and talents or maybe Jealous and it seem like I'm not growing.
@@trevelljohnson3399 if the Word is being taught, seed is being planted. The growth is not up to the pastor. Grow where you're planted, be encouraged, and definitely follow the Lord's leading. You're right, sometimes man is jealous or fearful of other people's gifting due to their own insecurities. If leadership knows their job, they should be excited for you and for what God is doing on your life. Blessings to you!
what about experiencing the gifts of others? Who is first? God? You? The Church as a whole?
@@tee415y510 Amen🙏♥️
The small gathering of believers is the true nature of church.
Justus George The New Testament Scriptures give a True Definition of the Bride of Christ JESUS...members each having a specific job serving the Father. The building NOT MADE w/Hands...this is the Church ⛪️. God Bless you today! 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏽🔑🔍✝️🕊🔥💎💗. Look up this reference it’s so interesting! ☝🏽❤️🇺🇸
Church "size" per se, is NOT the real issue. You're missing the bigger, and MORE important point!!!!
Amen, the church is not a building. Get yourself a KJV, gather your family and friends and read and study the bible at home. No deception from a wolf in the pulpit, only you and people you know, reading, learning the Word of God.
@@sarajessica5736 what about Paul's instruction on Church Govt? Elders, decons, church discipline etc...
Home churches...they all had love and helped one another. Their is order but pastors teachers and all the gifts mentioned are all of us bringing our gifts to the group with a prophetic word, teaching, preaching, evangelism, gift of healing, hospitality, mercy, administration, etc. It takes a community body to minister to one another. Deaconess/Deacons and elders would still do their jobs and each home church could also come together with other small groups like they do in a church building but instead they use the money to help each other and grow into new home churches and grow as a body. All would minister and be ministered to and grow daily with love for one another and accountability.
I believe people in Christ even non christians can agree with Francis that church is not suppose to be like it is today but more personal and alive
B L U E R O M A N EXACTLY!! Every person is to be part of the service, not spectators!!
J Day I disagree with everyone is supposed to be apart of the service and not a spectator. That isn't the order we see in the bible. The formal gathering is supposed to be for teaching and learning, it is supposed to have order. But we have turned church into something it wasn't meant to be. We're supposed to loving out life with each other day in and day out, there is supposed to be a system that is set up to care for the general needs of the people, we are supposed to judge and rule on matters in the church. The general assembly wants to leave the health of the church to a pastor or a single person, only wanting to come and listen.
A. Smith Of course there can only be one pastor during a service. But Paul never said that only ONE Pastor can preach in a church congregation forever as its only psstor. the following weeks should be given to others in the BODY to use their gifts as well. Many are called to preach in a body but never get the chance plus it helps keep false doctrine out of the BODY when everyone can study and preach teach evangelize. There should always be order but Paul clearly wanted participation from the BODY, not a clique of highly favored friends to be elders, and family to hold high postions. Its all about the BODY not individuals. the religious harlots have destroyed the church and need to come down, and they will very soon. they are corrupt, and out of line with what Paul taught and what Jesus expected. The first century church is our example. After a congregation got too big to meet in a certain home, another congregation was started. It was NEVER meant to be in a huge building where funds were needed for all sorts of BS to keep it running and maintained and using all the money to pay bills instead of going to funds to help the needy among them. Sorry, I disagree with you.
YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN. THE BIBLE SAYS "ENDURE UNTIL THE END". YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN UNTIL THE END. & IT DOESN'T EVEN APPLY TO YOU. THE END HAPPENED ALREADY. JESUS CAME BACK ALREADY. MATTHEW 24 13- 34. TIME FOR THE LIES TO STOP. THE BIBLE DOESN'T TELL US TO DO ANYTHING. THE BIBLE IS A STORY, NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.
J Day I agree with you.
I love this. Megachurches tend to get so commercialized and the pastor is like a celebrity.
Omg the gang analogy was powerful
i would agree with this thought. even in my church of nearly 700, large, but not mega, when i started counseling with him with my ex wife before our marriage failed, there was this intimidation because it was "THE PASTOR" ....
D. E. Franklin That’s not biblical. Their can be only 1 pastor lol
D. E. Franklin You said one pastor. Or am I responding to the wrong comment. Exactly, 1 pastor, a group of elders and deacons. That’s still one pastor. Maybe I replied to the wrong comment lol but I thought you were saying having 1 pastor is unbiblical
D. E. Franklin no I didn’t mean to say that multiple pastors is unbiblical. Simply, that to say their HAS to be multiple pastors would be unbiblical. In fact our “sister” church has 2 pastors. And our church has around 8 elders and around a similar number deacons. 👍🏾
true word 🖒
Wow! i never thought i would hear a church leader say anything like this...this guy is advocating the true church.
@DoNotBeDeceived Hey man what if you manifest what you meditate on? Your user name is do not be deceived. What if by hyper focusing on deception you have fallen into that which you feared?
I submit to you that you are being led by fear not faith.
@DoNotBeDeceived then what is causing you to conflate charismatics and false teachers? Isn't that a gross overstatement? Are there plenty of people in error under the charismatic lable? Yes. But by any lable you can attribute the same accusation. So what of this specific content do you find false?
@DoNotBeDeceived "celebrity pastors" bro that's exactly what he is saying. You sound like you don't want to hear, like your mind was made up before you watched the video.
I'm Chan groupie either btw. I just completely appreciate what I see as, authenticity, here.
@DoNotBeDeceived yes. I watched it to learn. What you're are describing about yourself sounds like pride my friend. The entire video is about equipping the Saints to do the work of ministry to destroy the pastor only mentally. Curious though, was Jesus a celebrity preacher? How about John the Baptist, the prophet Isaiah? How about Sait Athenasiaus, or Ignatius? How about Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon?
C'mon man you are looking for deception and it's actually closer then you think. It's in the very pride you have built up around yourself. I really wish you well and hope you can take with humility.
@Nathaniel Smith I like what Jesus says. Most of the time. Sometimes I don't like what he says, then it changes me and I start to like what he says. So when I like what Jesus says, is Jesus wrong?
I no longer attend church because i cannot find a church that acts like a family. Im still close to the Lord but really desire to find a church like you are describing. This is vital especially to middle aged women like myself who dont have husband's and no family support system. We look to the church for help and just isnt there, this is truly heartbreaking. Thank you for speaking truth on this.
MeLLi B if you were near me id say come to my church, its 150 people and still such like a family, noones left out at all
MeLLi B sounds like you are looking more towards people why don’t you seek help from God?
Catholic
So sorry you cant find a church that acts like a family. Praying you will find one. God wants us to fellowship and worship as the body of Christ. Dont give up.
Ask some friends if they would like to meet to pray and study the Bible together. If no one in the group has a gift for teaching no problem just memorize verses together and talk about them. And guess what that IS church.
This is exactly what I just wrote down in my note book. I lost my job because I had an 7year old charge on my background. Once I became born again I started working at my church after 5 weeks my fingerprint came back from a misdemeanor charge and they let me go. The whole entire church know about it gossip about but no one approached me to offer me to work at any of there companies..meanwhile I am the topic of all they conversations. No love no unity. Only jealousy envy and discord. I also have a prophetic gift and I continue to walk in the anointing of the holy spirit. I'm currently writing my 2nd book and I open up about how the church is acting more like the world everyday.
There are plenty of convicted people who get second chances and just harm people again. The problem here, specifically, is Christianity is a myth. There is zero truth behind it at all.
And all the mega church pastors starting shaking in their boots...then they got angry at him because he's talking truth
gh1Mikie I Sssoooo agree!!
Shut down the show get to business of Christ
gh1Mikie SexSex
On the contrary, I believe most mega church pastors would agree with every word Francis said here, and they're desperately trying to create more community and a sense of family in their churches.
What does go a long way toward breaking down a sense of family within the Body of Christ, however, is this 'us vs them' idea that many involved in smaller and more traditional churches have against larger churches. The stereotypes and false ideas that are spread large/mega churches are mostly false, and driven by a very select few who do abuse their influence and power. Honestly, it's dangerous, and I believe the work of the enemy against the Church.
gh1Mikie gh1Mikie
Francis has made few remarkable comments on why he did as below(1-5), but there’re things that he may really need to consider about other matters(A-D) too, which I respond.
1. Finance and cost for the ministry
2. Lack of use of gift/commitment
3. Lack of discipleship
4. Lack of love
5. Lack of genuine response
A. True for finance and cost to build mega church.
B. His statement of 5k people look at him alone/witness his gift, with assumption of those people who come to church and run big business in circular worlds are not performing and using their gift to draw more people to the kingdom of God? Hmm... kinda misstated. I think, I think, those who go to church on Sunday, are not performing their gifts and use it to draw for harvest, due to lack of discipleship & heart of reaching out; the small groups may not grow to million as he said lack/without discipleship & heart of reaching out, he’ll still face the issue some day.
C. The way he does is with setting up Home Church with cell groups size, it is what a usual ought to have, have cellgroups and cellgroup leaders and the group form family based groups among the church, still have the same effect that he does. Simply based on the things that may seem incomplete/shortfall, that draws him out? Hmm..
There is something that he may miss out, the advantage of having sizeable church could have extraordinary gift/expertise to benefit the whole church, is every cellgroup gonna have well-trained pastor and counsellor to help up in Home church?
D. Because of not having (C) and (3) which highly likely to cause (4) and then resulted to (5).
I think the main issues Francis may need to consider discipleship and love; lacking of these two, with/without the way he does, still will face (2-5); with those, (1-5) aren’t problem at the first place.
Finally somebody in the "megachurch" world gets it! Thank God and Hallelujah! I left the "church building" because they spent more time begging for project money for add ons than giving to the people of our community and missions work. Praise GOD! somebody gets it.
Totally get this.
LOL begging for money at a mega church... we need more giant TV screens!!!! and money for our huge parking lot!
Scott Eddy
There are “church buildings” with body members emphasizing this, though, and pursuing this!
Scott Eddy exactly
Me too! The bible says 2 or 3 gathered for a reason.
This is what a church of Christ should be like...he did the right thing. Praise GOD!
Historians agree that the gospels (written in Greek, by unknown authors, from 70 to 140CE) portray Jesus as famous far and wide, a prophet and healer, with great multitudes of people who knew about him, including the greatest Jewish high priests and the Roman authorities of the area, and not one person records his existence during his lifetime? If the poor, the rich, the rulers, the highest priests, and the scribes knew about Jesus, who would not have heard of him?
Amazingly, we have not one Jewish, Greek, or Roman writer, even those who lived in the Middle East, much less anywhere else on the earth, whoever mention him during his supposed life time. This appears quite extraordinary, and you will find few Christian apologists who dare mention this embarrassing fact.
All myth! Seek the truth!
@@wowojeejee there are many religious, and secular writers who have written about Jesus. Josephus is a Jewish scholar who wrote extensively about Jesus.
A thousand miles plus from Rome in a rural podunk province where no Roman wanted to be, a Jewish carpenter is crucified. So were 10,000 other jews. In 30 AD it wasn't newsworthy. It wouldn't be embarrassing if he wasn't mentioned in other literature, in fact, it's more remarkable because he was. I don't know where you're getting your position from, there are references to Jesus in extra-biblical literature, both Jewish, as Josephus, and secular. Please now what you're talking about before you call it myth. I would kindly suggest you seek the truth instead of repeating what you heard and don't know.
@@wowojeejee. You must not have heard of the Jewish/Roman historian, Josephus who wrote much about Christ
@@wowojeejee So what myth is your truth?
I’m really being challenged to think differently...
Now more so POST COVID-19 CHURCH will be a different experience...
I hope more of us catch on....
Erjuda9999 yes Amen
Amen
Yes! Do you see the miracles taking place undercover? I do. God is exposing and destroying the idolatry. Praise Jesus! Blessings❤️
Amen!
If every pastor thought Godly like him..that’s beautiful and deep!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Great perspective. God clearly wants his people to be the church. Not just a building. let's not get lost in the business of a church building. And just showing up and listening. And then going back to our regular lives. Live for Christ every second of the day.
Mcgraw World God is light and Consciousness well I am the Temple of the Living God which is consciousness I don't really think that creation wants you to go to a building built by men to get closer to your own consciousness
wisdom.... you err in your ideology
Freedom Rock no its from the bible😀
wisdom where please?
Freedom Rock idolâtrie it's something that you warship outside of yourself.
Love this pastor. He's a true man of God. Thank you pastor Chan for being faithful to do what God gifted you to do!
Until someone proves that a god exists, there is no god!
@@wowojeejee can you get out? Why is there always this type of guy. Just go away!
@@melissajhallett2600 I know, right? Always...at least one.
@@wowojeejee God does exist and he Loves you so much that he sent his only son Jesus Christ to die for your sins. Just ask him to show you that he is the true living God and he will.
amen
30+ years in voluntary ministry. This speaks to my heart. Thank you Pastor Chan. You said what I could never find the words to say.
Millennial Man Amen brother!
I absolutely love his response. When you grow deeper in God all you want to do is to live in for him. This is a picture of not conforming to the world but transformation to Christ
As a pastor this has been the most encouraging message and confirmation for my heart. I'm in tears. God bless this man of God !!!
God bless pastor.
Women are forbidden to be pastors/teachers over men. You have coveted the position that God ordained for men, not women.
Wow .......the story about the young gang member that quit the church broke my heart. Family 24/7 is exactly what the body should be. I hope we can all make real/realize the blessing Chan has found. Praise God
R.G Lewis i feel the same way. that part broke my heart. the same thing happened to me n i left the building.
Hopefully they return. I also left because I was never felt fully welcomed. What made things worse was that many of the members in my local church were already related by blood and marriage. After some years, I eventually went back to a church regularly and decided to commit myself to God and to serve others in the church. But I only went back fully committed to the church because God Himself completely healed my real hurt and told me it was time to mature to the next stage in my Christian journey.
a convicted, humble man
Im learning you go to church to become a walking church so your gift Will make room for you to edify and get souls saved where ever you go. Have a Bless Day!
Thomas Ocasio amen
Thomas Ocasio agreed!
Let Our Savior do the saving. He just wants us to love...
Greg Heis 'Love' is action. Jesus said the harvest is ripe to pray that God would send more laborers into his harvest. So let us get busy and not let the Lord catch us slumbering when He comes.💒
true, our vessel should be the synagogue of Christ. We should become one in Christ.
This should be the cry of each child of God : that the church gets to this place of absolute communion with each other
That is a man after God’s own heart!♥️🙏🏼🙌🏽
Wow, a pastor that actually gets it.
This is a very Biblical model that Francis chan is describing
It sounds familiar ☺
@@1969cmp well its what apostle Paul basically did in christianities inception.
Rahul Dsouza Buddhism...detachment. Christians pay lip service to their faith but they all want money.
Is this the guy that wrote Crazy Love?
@@iamkurgan1126 yes
Look at God!!! Wake us up Holy Spirit. The church is the individual. The assembly is for spiritual refreshing. Good job pastor on being obedient.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.
A man that takes the Scriptures seriously, and shows it can be done once we let God be God...amen!
Francis Chan used to visit Shiloh in ,Oakland ,when I went there. Even though there was so much hype around him particularly , because to the church he was a success because of his mega church you know in America the bigger the better the more successful , however, even back then, in the 90’s, I saw a true humility upon him , he really had Christ and I could tell he was standing with God and kinda like was just standing back and watching his life. I’m not surprised he backed out of the mega church american christian success movement. I am happy to see his life still glorifying God and being used to bring the church into her incredible destiny upon the earth. What a great time to be alive! Thank you Francis for not giving into the fear of man !
Wow my wife and I have been struggling with leaving our church and finding something smaller.
And this just nails what’s church should look like and how empty we feel at our church. It’s just a place we go on Sundays. Maybe it’s partly our fault too but it’s so big and after three years we don’t really know anyone there
We went to a much smaller church Sunday and it felt completely different
It was warm and inviting.
Amen. This is a true man of God. Some people are in it for the money, fame and power. Pastor Chan is in it for Jesus.
Amen church in the book of acts. I'm doing home church and it's just wonderful. I love it.
We are seeing an awaking among all of us in Christianity about the sidetracked religion we have been part of.
rmbaker100 totally agree. I heard the Lord tell me a while ago “get back to the basics”
God is moving and moving powerfully. I'm an ex-muslim, born and raised in violence, forced to worship their idea of god(ba'al). Saved for 2 years, and life has never been better. First time in my life knowing what love is
The church you are preaching is something I need, something we all need. Something I’ve been needing for a long time. For some people, family isn’t even family.
I have been needing a church like this for years! I could almost say I'm craving this exact thing. I keep saying that as Christians we're suppose to do life together. It's all about relationships and being there for one another but at my current church (it's about 600 ppl), I get greeted and I have a couple family members that talk to me but really I don't have that family environment that I so badly want and need in my life. Even my friends that I hang out with outside church don't really give me the time to chat when we're there.
My husband and I are looking to start going to a new church in the hopes of getting better connected because we can't keep going on the path we're on. I am starving for a Christian family closeness that I've never had before and I'm hoping I find it soon.
Oh how I wish to be part of such a home church. I desperately seek a family.
"It's like being adopted rather than being in an orphanage....." YES! This is what I've been unable to articulate. Such a powerful revaluation and word of truth!
Matthew 9:35-38
35 Jesus went through all the towns and villages. He taught in their synagogues. He preached the good news of the kingdom. And he healed every illness and sickness. 36 When he saw the crowds, he felt deep concern for them. They were treated badly and were helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. 37 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “The harvest is huge. But there are only a few workers. 38 So ask the Lord of the harvest to send workers out into his harvest field.”
Yeah that was a great point!
A. Mayo AMEN
the worker deserves his wages (Matt. 10:10)
the laborer is worthy of his keep (Luke 10:7)
Do not muzzle an ox while it treadeth out the corn (Deut. 25:4, Paul quotes this twice)
Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? (1 Cor. 9:7)
Romans beat us to it in 8:15 and 8:23
Harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God than for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle.
With God All things are possible.
At least finish the content of what our lord taught.
After He said the first part,the Apostles asked Him Who can be saved?
It's ok if you want to suffer lack, just don't blame Christ.
@@1234tellmewhatyourlookingfor ? All the apostles suffered, read more than just the next scripture, study the whole bible. They suffered for the sake of the gospel, they found that the joy of knowing the God of all creation and the promise (through the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ Jesus) of eternity with that God was worth it all.
@@tinarowland4120 I did not say any thing about how the Apostles suffered.
I suppose we are to suffer in order to martyr our way to Christ?
Our suffering is Gods will?
It's about the inference in this narrative, let's not add to what God said.
It's about the Gospel, not my bible study.
@@1234tellmewhatyourlookingfor we don't need to martyr our way,life is full of trials, that's a fact. Those facts also are shown through scripture. We r saved through faith by grace.
@@tinarowland4120 Trials that could be prevented , if people had enough faith to speak out against the horror that the satanic minions are doing right now.
It is much easier to criticize the Breathern rather than speak out against the evil that encompasses us.
Take a look at what happened at the doors of the Supreme Court recently.
But squabbling about how dogmatic of a doctrine you have , is certainly swallowing a Camel.
All of us will answer for our deeds one day, all will be looking at Christ face to face.
We all could do more than be religious pharisees.
Respect. The average church is just business.
The first Church I was in was like the Ideal family. Small enough to where we knew everyone. Then we had to build a building. That's when it all started to change.
Yeah. I am so tired of worshipping a building... Its draining.
(Not that I actually did, but that's what it feels like we've been expected to do. )
I miss being a part of that type of church! I love the teaching at my current church, but my pastor doesn’t know me, and even with participating in different ministries, I don’t have a sense of belonging. At times, I feel downright invisible! BUT, I am learning to love and depend on Christ more as a result, so that is a blessing.
I’ve distanced myself from one church because the family was being constantly put on a pedestal and encouraged to be idolized by others it was too much for me I’m much happier where I am with just my Bible and my friends who follow
Amen
Yes, family is messy! But you fight for it.
Catherine Randle and it looks different for many of us. Imagine a building using its stakeholders gifts and spreading beyond the four walls. Hats off to you Pastor BTW I totally enjoyed Crazy Love
This is it! This is THE answer. I attended more than one good church. I felt very alone. Being in a large group of like minded people and still feeling isolated. It made me feel so discouraged and it was painful. So I left.
I can relate! Thank God for HIS truth!
"I left my church because I am the only one doing MY part." - Chan
Right.
💧 All the glory be to God 🙏🎶🎵🎹
@@Canuck_Retro_Gaming 😀
Wow, this is profound. This is something my mind has been trying to decipher, like how do we get passed one man teaching to a massive crowd.
True what he said about the gangs being a better family then churches these days I was in a gang and I had more unity and brotherhood then I do now in the church.
Awww, sorry that's what you saw my brother. Stay in the a Word of Christ, BE the leader that sets the church into unity like your former brethren. God bless 🙏🏾💞🙏🏼
Why'd you get out of your gang?
One thing about the church they don't jump or sex you in and THEY DON'T KILL YOU if you want to get out.
Hey Julian B. If you live close to rosemead CA. Your welcome to come to the church I go to Resolution ministry's. We are small but we are like family here.
growing up a lot of my friends were into the Biker culture. I became a Christian about 20 years ago and have generally avoided old music or dodgy movies I used to enjoy but I got into the habbit of watching a lot of TV series just as an escape from dealing with hard issues. I ended up watching a lot of Sons of Anarchy (which isn't wholesome Godly viewing at all) I felt like God really showed me something through it, that you don't need a huge group of Believers around you. you just need a core group of believers that you can really trust and work together with. Theres so many parallels with the Gospel stories and the way the guys stand together and fight together in that fictional show. ps I think it was about the last season I ended up giving up when it got really ridiculous, every one in their families are turning on each other, a few scenes I wish I never saw. (I would skip over a lot of the bad stuff too) I thought it was strange how it made we want to find a group of real Christian brothers and depend on each other. nope still haven't got anyone really. Hope more Christians get what F.Chan is saying so we aren't all isolated as Christians. God Bless!
Awesome, I am so happy to hear this message of real love of God in the real church of Jesus Christ. Let this love grow
THIS..... this is what I'm looking to do for years! Every word, dead on! Amen!
"No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord." Jeremiah 31:34
Wauw, thanks.
Amen, Hallelujah
That's right ... the church being a group that are in love with the Lord and with each other individually and corporately ... that are led by His Spirit and aren't trying to carry all this extra "baggage" of man created teachings and structures ... just the structure that He is creating ... :-)
This man has true knowledge and wisdom of the Holy Spirit. I could lisen to him talk forever, I'd love to have a conversation with him and just ask him questions 😀
then go to his church...
I have believed in a small church
His conviction is so true. Most church, only the pastor is functioning.
Amen brother Francis, your story is a true inspiration for the rest of the churches
I thank God for this man, seriously I do. I'm so glad that he got the true message of the gospel and is living it.
Each word of this guys makes huge amounts of sense for me! Amazing how God works creating different ways for us
That is awesome Paster Chan. No wonder I haven't been liking the MEGA CHURCHES!
My friend and I were talking about starting a bible study in our homes teaching others to go out into the world to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. That is the Great Commission❣ I started studying the Bible when I got saved at 14. I am now 62. All my family or friends would call me when they were down and out over the years, but would never pick up their Bible and read what the Spirit of GOD was telling them.
That is how I finally got at least my friend to start studying for herself the scriptures.
Now we are talking about having home study. Listening to your Sermons for the past week have been Spiritually eye opening for me. Thank you for your faithfulness and truthfulness in Christ Jesus. I pray you will continue to travel and keep up your You Tube videos they are Blessed by GOD ❣ Prayers going up for you.
Love in Christ Jesus TRINITY 💞 triad=3
Unity= in one accord, unison. TRINITY
FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT
Praise GOD for giving of himself Jesus to shed His Blood on my behalf for the remission of my sins. Then giving me the Holy Spirit to lead, love and guide me in His RIGHTEOUSNESS ❣ HOLY HOLY HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY💖💞
I have just been introduced to Francis Chan and he is awesome!!😊
Francis Chan you are so authentic. I have watched you change, grow, transform and be refined. This is exactly what God calls us to do. Grow through every challenge and get out of our comfort zone to be sanctified and be more like Christ. That means we make mistakes, we repent, we learn, we discern, we acknowledge our humanity, and we give God all the Glory all through the process. Thank you for the work you do to advance the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth. Yeshua see's your heart and thank you for all those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Come on! Thank you Francis, this is clearly spirit filled.
Thank you
He just put into perfect, succinct words what has been burning in my heart for over 10 years! I believe in God's vision for the church, and I love my church, but I know that the church I attend is not "church" as He intended. this has given me a lot to think and pray about
There is no god!
gathering together in homes, sharing with the needy, giving living water.....studying the Word, reaching others, praying, and allowing the Holy Spirit to lead; that is God's model for us to follow.
@@ronsutton6503 exactly
And I am now just finding this. I feel the same way, I feel connected because of the same feelings. Thank you Mr. Chan.
I appreciate his humility and willingness to step out in faith. We need more people willing to set aside what isn't working and start making disciples again.
Yes and Amen brother!!! We all have the authority and the gifts! We need to get right with Christ and get filled with the Holy Spirit and Fire!!! 🔥 🔥🔥☝🏽 HalleluYAH All Glory to God!!!
I remember Francis from 17 years ago when we were part of the Chang Family Foundation which is a 3 day tennis camp for gifted tennis children supported by former tennis great Michael Chang. I was the Audio company hired for 3 days for live sound but I don't know if anyone remembers me but I do know that Francis did a great job giving an evangelistic message after Michael's testimony. It was so dynamic and after seeing this video here, I remember as to what makes Francis very effective as a minister. Seeing this video, I finally see a pastor willing to see outside the box as to how churches are operating in general especially large ministries but not really growing their people to learn to exercise their God-given gifts and just keeping the seats warm. I learned a lot here and thanks Francis for that message. It helps me focus on what is really important under God and his message through His Word.
J Day Amen
Excellent decision with absolute clarity.
Mega churches make the members as the spectators.
All members ought to function according to God's calling and gifting.
New Testament ministry is ministering unto one another.
This is really thought provoking. Absolutely valid points. 😮🔥
This is the difference between being a pastor to an apostle. Humble man, doesn’t give himself some lofty label still goes by Francis Chan! Love his books
Finally a minister that speaks truth. God bless you Pastor Chan
This is both refreshing and encouraging.
We knew this WAS COMING so happy to hear your story...
That's amazing what he's doing. And it's so true that people's gifts aren't being utilized.
AMEN, AMEN & AMEN PASTOR CHAN!! GOD BLESS U & YOUR MINISTRY!!!
Wow! Thank you Francis. This was a great revelation
Something just sparked in my heart😭😭😭😭 I needed this😭😭😭
YEAH !!!left his mega-church ...LOVE IT !!
This is simply amazing. I completely agree with this perspective.
Small groups!!! Basically a capsule church. Everyone feeds into each other, and must participate and use their gifts. Friends for LIFE...and beyond!
There are no small groups in the Bible. That's a church. God is probably trying to push people out of "mother" church to go start an independent church, in order to multiple gatherings in the Kingdom.
This man is inspirational. He has actually gone into the Word and studied what it really means to be a church and is working towards it in Christ. This is the kind of countercultural attitude we need more of today!
wow.... i can definitely understand what he's saying. I do think it's a two way street. Being relational is hard sometimes but God calls us to it. wheter you're a part of a church with 3, 30, 350, or 3,000 people, you are not just suppose to go to church, then get in your car and go home. You should get connected and involved in whatever ministry you attend. Be intentional and relational. Also no matter what size, you cannot truly be relational with everyone. You are one person, but you can love everyone you come in contact with inside and outside the church.
Echaka Monjok Amen, yes!
Yes! Wanna be my friend lol
Angie 101 lol yeah!!
Louis 1976 God bless you too!
I believe leadership has to create opportunities for more intimate fellowship. You usually don't get to know the real person at church.
I like this guy and what he is starting
Wow that touched me regarding that young mans story regarding the church vs gangs....
legal eagle Me, too...😥
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This is so good...and this is what the church was. Not a business but a family.
I used to belong to a big Church. I've joined a smaller one now and it's just like Pastor Chan describes, there's truly a sense of belonging. I must say it's not so much about the size of the Church, because in Acts we read that God added to the Church 3000 in one day, and then daily the Lord added to the Church. That is not a small church. They may start small, but shouldn't necessarily have to remain small.
Mega Churches are not necessarily bad. Let's just work to making it as Christ intended... a Family.
Wow!! This popped up on my UA-cam just at the right moment as I've been contemplating leaving the megachurch that I've attended for 21 years (when I started there it was a church of around 1000 and has grown to 12000)
novaman Follow God.
DreamBodyBook It could be because it's so vast in number its very impersonal.
Aaron Faagau Or it could be something else...
Mega churches are all about the preaching, the music, and the programs. Unfortunately what gets lost is the community and the opportunity to use your gifts to serve the body of Christ. I'm in a good small group and even though we attend the same service time we never actually see each other unless we make an effort to, because there are over 3,000 people there at once. So relationship building is extremely difficult.
+Novaman- did your megachurch ever encourage you to go out and preach as Jesus instructed as to in Matthew 24? and what did the programs usually teach?
Yes ! This is what God has been putting in my heart,the whole stereotypical western church thing is totally wrong.Its not how they functioned in the beginning of the NT and I kept questioning these things within myself and the Holy Ghost showed me exactly what he showed him ! We are the church,we are literally a temple.church is not a church building its us !
Amen, I like that and I've heard people say that but I don't think that many look at it in that way. But what about tithes and offerings? How are you going to pay that if you're not in church? Secondly, what have you been taught about that? There's lots of people who have been taught differently about tithing. To my understanding we're not under the law but we still have our obligations to the father above. Get back with me on this because I would love to hear from you.
Marie Floyd you don’t need a church to tithe.
@@mariefloyd6174 Tithes and offerings go to two places: one is to those who are extending the Kingdom into truly unreached areas. This would be missionaries going to UUPG's in different parts of the world. This is supporting those with apostolic giftings to reach new people with the Gospel who have never heard it before. (For example, Paul in the NT, going to various places and raising support, even though he was actually bivocational). The other place is giving to the poor. God had a lot to say in the OT (like in Amos and Isaiah) about His people honoring Him with their lips but not with their hearts. Nowhere in the NT is money raised to fix buildings, buy bigger screens, or more instruments. Paul collected tithes to give to other Christians who were in need (like those in Jerusalem). We are still under obligations to give. That is not removed. It's where the giving is going to.
God you wanted a church that were known for their love. Hallelujah!
Praise God!.....a Church is the body of Christ, living in Love...blessings to you bro Francis,
Makes sense, it's not about me mindset, praise God! 👍🙏😇
wow that was really beautiful. I never felt like church was family. I've always felt like God was family, Jesus was, but not Church people. I grew up in a holiness Church, where they speak in tongues on a whim. It never felt real. I never had the Holy Spirit come over me and talk in tongues and I felt like a big failure because of it. To this day I still haven't had that but I have been at war with demons. Literal demons, I mean. I let them know that I belong to God and they still show up, and I still run them off in Jesus's Holy Name, but I long for that family feel. My blood family is all gone now but I have a wife and kids whom I love very much but I want us to have a spiritual family.
Moses Pascal wow! that's so lovely tht u would take the time out to help h pray....I need some help in prayer
.my faith have fail n I'm going some spiritual .battle...do u ave a fb account or so?
Brian Michael, maybe you can start a house group in your area.
Brian Michael kindly visit our website brother.www.incmedia.org.ph.
Brian Michael demons are targeting u because God has a big plan for u. When demons show up tell them their end is finished in the lake of fire in Jesus name. Step out in faith n trust God n go preach the gospel.
where are you located
I am very sad and sorry to say i have never truly experienced the "family love" in church; rather i see so much hypocrisy and, have been hurt and betrayed so many times that i do drag to attend the service sometimes.......i am really praying that the Lord will change and strengthen me not to fear obeying His commandment to fellowship with other believers....
Therefore, it is so refreshing to hear something so honest from a pastor. that IS a pastoral heart!
Maybe God wants you to start your own?!
Maybe you should become an atheist?
Same here. I experienced the same. I stepped away for awhile and found Jesus. He helped me understand why people are broken. He showed me things beyond my own imagination of what I thought was impossible. Then I went back to a congregation and boy oh boy do people need Jesus. Maybe we are the few that are meant to guide others and be real with them. Idk in the meantime, I'll pray about it.
Me too Thea. I ended up burning all my bibles and books because of judgmental Christians. I lost it with "Christianity." It's full of judgmental hypocrites who are full of negativity who have nothing good to say about one another, even condemning one another. "Christians" are the main driving force to Atheism, and the #1 reason why the church isn't growing today.
I've since been restored and now go to the best church I've ever been to.
jim martel yea I understand. I’m sorry you had to experience that as well. That’s why I never define Jesus by people who are imperfect. It is better to be an example through His love 😊. God bless you! 💙
I truly believe that's what God wanted to get us back to during the pandemic.. But too many leaders were frustrated that we couldn't come to be building.
We need to know how to accomplish it in our churches
He’s one of the most real people I have watched. It does not get more real than this and he’s so humble.
This is so on point ❤
I love his heart...He has the Lord's heart.
We are to give people room in the church to help use their gifts for the edifying of the body. He is right. Sitting in the pews are not what it was all about. That's why we need good leaders in the Church calling others to use their gifts, not sitting around.
Jennifer, they can't control people if they actually allow them to walk in their own callings and gifting.
William, even more to the point, they won't get their mammon...:/
William Floyd they can't control but pray and encourage!
Echaka Monjok, what do you mean?
William Floyd i meant we can't control others to use their gifts but we can encourage and pray for people.
He nail it! Multiply faith, not the number of congregants in a particular church.
God Bless you sir for admitting and implementing what the true church ought to be..
By walking away you let god know that you truly love him. You are loved with your megachurch or you pastoring you’re neighbors. I’m looking at you and Thanking the lord for how he love us. This makes my heart warm.
thats deep
church, instead of it being a orphanage, adopted
family 🙂😕🙂😢 strikes a cord
I loooove this!! yes!!! this is how it's supposed to be!!