What's enlightening here is that Aegon is not depicted having Joffrey's cruelty. He's simply childish and entitled, but does not ask to be ruler nor wants to. He just wants to have the lifestyle, not the responsibility. It's what gets thrust upon him later in the story does his character change.
@parakrambasnet6317 even in the book she and otto do it for power and THEN her children's safety xd... and the most ridiculous thing is that he could ensure the life of his children AND put her blood on the throne XDD but he refused because of his hatred for Rhaenyra xd
@@teddy4844 But Jacaerys was bastard and she was faithfull to Seven. You don't understand that she couldn't really give her daughter to child conceived by sin? You can say Rhaenyra was desperate. But how Alicent could know that? Rhaeyra lied to her even before and then she act exactly as one would expect, from Alicent's point of view and with her informations. Rhaneyra was unlucky, that they couldn't have children with Laenor, but no one forces her to sleep with man who looks nothing like Laenor and scream to whole world Strong boys aren't his.
The way she fucking grabs his face. Wow. Olivia Cooke sold this scene and Ty Tennant was amazing too, he looked like he legit flinched at her intensity. Great actors, I wish we could gave seen more of them together.
It doesn't matter Aegon would not challenge... The threat would always be there in Daemon's eyes and, through his influence, in Rhaenyra's... same with Jon discovered to being a Targaryen, two centuries later... He would forever be a threat to Danny's claim! This is the TRUE game of thrones, brothers envying brothers, kin envying kin, all colluding to sit on the throne! I actually blame Viserys, not Otto! Had Viserys been a TRUE king, he would have tapped into the pulse of tradition and realised that even if he felt guilty for neglecting Rhaenyra so long in the obsessive pursuit of a male heir, once Aegon was born, he should have released Rhaenyra of that responsibility solely because it would proactively prevent everything that eventually happened, the clash between his tradition-disruptive choice and secular tradition, personified by Otto, the Hand of THREE kings! So, since the cause of anything is at the very beginning of it, I blame Viserys for succumbing to his fatherly remorse and completely failing to accept and therefore act on the growing feuds between both sides of her house, especially Daemon's vulturing over Rhaneyra! Viserys was a negligent father, a negligent king and THAT is what usually happens with PACIFISTS, they end up doing more harm than good! All would have been prevented by him having a frank, thoughtful talk with Rhaenyra after Aegon was born and was deemed healthy, and convincing her about the good of the realm being the MAINTENANCE OF TRADITION to prevent unnecessary and avoidable problems! THAT is what a TRUE, WISE king would do, do everything in his power to secure a peaceful succession, use his power to defuse those squabbles than ended up CAUSING the ACTUAL WAR, and do everything in his power to keep his family united, which he never did, being downright and willingly oblivious to it! You do not let feuds grow in your family, you squash them when they are still little! Had Viserys accepted the reality of Rhaneyra's bastards, he would have talked to Aemond and prevent their rivalry from escalating to losing body parts AND ultimately kinslaying!
@@rijoenpial YAP YAP YAP nyra would never kill them if they wouldnt usurp her. until the last episode she was literally still hoping that they all could make peace. also dont come up with the jon snow bullshit that completly violated the lore. jon snow still wasnt legitimate and even if he would have been, his line was disinherited by aerys. the kings word counts. thats why even otto and aemond admited that they usurped it. and thats why otto said to the folk that viserys changed his mind. otto himself disagrees btw. his best solution would have been if aegon was her king consort. he doesnt care if he sits on the iron throne or not. you are obviously a show only watcher who doesnt know anything about the lore
@@joel5135 Yeah in this very particular book version of events (particularly the 2nd season) rhaenyra behaves like a fairy tale character. I guess we've yet to see if they want to indulge that fantasy or show her for what she is in context.
Dang now i kinda wanna see Emma D'arcy do that phrase to maybe Aegon or Luke's actor Or maybe Emily Carey and Milly Alcock doing that phrase to each other. Wouldn't that be cool?
I feel kinda bad for Alicent. Her father has convinced her that Rhaenyra will kill her sons in order to secure her claim to the throne and now she's trying to do the same to Aegon. Rhaenyra wouldn't have killed Aegon. This war is the fault of Otto Hightower's shitstirring
She's doing all this due to her own ambition and she tell herself that she is doing it because she is morally better than Rhaenyra or the rest of Targaryens. But in the end is just ambitions, I wouldn't be surprised that she expects to be regent as well.
"Rhaenyra wouldn't have killed Aegon". The fact is, it's not that simple. Rhaenyra lives in a hostile environment. The Red Keep is a pit of snakes. The realm as a whole mistrusts women and is reluctant to accept them as rulers (yeah, there are exceptions like lady Arryn in the Vale, but they are just that: exceptions). Rhaenys, who by all accounts was more charismatic and intelligent than Viserys, and who was the daughter of the eldest son, was passed over precisely because she was a woman. Men in the Seven Kingdoms believe that power is their duty and privilege, and theirs alone. They could accept Rhaenyra when she was the king's only child; but the fact that she'll get the throne even with two living brothers is not just weird: it's an insult to the moral and social order these Lords know and enforce, a threat to the stability of their own houses (if a woman can inherit the Iron throne, will their own daughters keep silent and watch younger brothers get land and titles that could be theirs?). Add to that the fact that Rhaenyra had children out of wedlock, something that is considered unacceptable for a woman. It's an open secret that one day an illegitimate child will sit the Iron Throne. Again, this is an insult to the moral code of that society. In the eyes of the Lords, not only is the (future) queen a woman: she's also the worst kind of woman, one who has no decency and respect. Against this backdrop, Rhaenyra becomes queen. She is watched closely. Lords question every move she makes. If she yields, that's proof of her weakness as a woman. If she stands her ground, that's proof that, as a woman, she's unreasonable and spoiled. Soon, Lords start to question whether she's fit to rule. Maybe she should be replaced by a man, however young. But her own sons are bastards, the whole realm knows (or at least suspects) that. Who should the Lords turn to? And the answer is clear: Aegon. Aegon is a man & his parentage cannot be questioned. By the laws of Gods and men, HE should be the king of the Seven Kingdoms. And just like that, Aegon becomes a mortal danger to Rhaenyra. Her throne, her power, her safety and that of her immediate family are threatened by the fact that the lords of the seven kingdoms will never fully accept her as a queen as long as they have a viable alternative. What is she to do? When was she secure in her inheritance? When there was no alternative. When she was the only child of Viserys - or at least, his eldest daughter (notice that Alicent never mentions Halaena. She wouldn't be a threat to Rhaenyra). As modern readers/show watchers, we might not realize this. But Otto and (now) Alicent do. And I don't blame her for being terrified for her son. Viserys put her in a terrible position. He is a good man, and tends to forget not everyone else is as good.
@@camillaallegrucci1311 that's a hell of a lot of speculation. The realm can suspect Rhaenyra's children as bastards all they like but unless someone with actual authority over her ie Visarys declares them as bastards it doesn't really matter. The people with the most power get to decide what's true. If the heir to the throne says "these children are my trueborn heirs" then they are the trueborn heirs whether it's actually true or not. Besides they are not the king. Visarys is and like Daemon said, the king's word is law. They all swore allegiance to Rhaenyra. They can bitch and moan all they like but the king said Rhaenyra will rule and all of the lords agreed. So Rhaenyra has no reason to kill Aegon so long as Aegon doesn't challenge the claim. Because he is not the challenge. The king's word is law and the king is saying Rhaenyra is heir and these allegations are nothing more than gossip. So what the griping lords think really doesn't matter. Rhaenyra is also not a cruel monster at this point who would murder her own brothers. She was willing to resolve it with diplomacy until Aemon killed her son
It’s interesting the contrast of mothers in this episode. Rhaenyra, Laena, and Alicent. Alicent is protective of her children but not very affectionate. She wants them to know their place and displays deep paranoia. It’s like in the earlier episodes when she’s rocking her babes, she’s doing what she’s supposed to do, maybe even more than what’s expected since she doesn’t leave them with a nurse, but she’s vacant, disassociated from it all. In her scene with Helaena she seems to be half listening and then Aemond comes in after the episode with the pig. This is when she’s the most direct. Rhaenyra is all about the touch, the gentle looks, the caresses. She smiles at Joffrey constantly despite being in deep pain. Her children are her great love, she’s protective as well but handles her fear differently. She doesn’t show it to her children, her fear is meant to be a secret shielded from her children. Laena doesn’t have the same fears. She longs for home. She touches and caresses her children as well, assuages their fears. She ultimately dies with her child, greeting death by choice. She leaves her children in the hands of their father, hoping they’ll go home unlike her. it’s also important to note the fathers in each scenario. Viserys was not Alicent’s choice, Harwin is Rhaenyra’s choice yet unsuitable and dangerous, and while Daemon cares for Laena, she wasn’t HIS first choice, yet they have the most solid relationship. Daemon is also dismissive of his younger daughter, possibly bc she has yet to become a dragon rider.
Not sure if you've read the books, but there, things are slightly different. Laena and him loved each other and had quite the passionate relationship. He seems to have genuinely adored her, whereas in the show, there's this sort of gloom over their union. As if he had married her out of circumstance, as opposed to the fiery desire he had for her in the source material. And there, he was quite a loving, doting father on her daughters, both of them. Whereas in the show, he seems to be kind of distant. All in all, Daemon is depicted in a better light on Fire and Blood than on the show. He's shown as having a blissful, happy life there with Laena and his daughters, as opposed to the melancholy he feels here. In the books, Laena also dies in Driftmark, in her father's island. And before dying, she takes one last ride on Vaghar.
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ I have read most of Fire and Blood. Certain aspects I wish they kept like Laena and Rhaenyra’s friendship and Daemon’s love for his girls. Maybe they’ll become closer in the coming episodes. Even in the show, Daemon’s love/devotion for his family, specifically Rhaenyra and Viserys, is one of his strongest attributes yet it seems to have been dropped when it comes to his own immediate family.
Alicent and Aegon are like Cersei and Joffrey on acid. The show depicts Alicent as someone not narcissistic like Cersei but bitter and twisted by loneliness, anxiety and constant political tolerance, making her relatable but at the same time unhinged, that’s actually more terrifying than Cersei. Because Alicent would appear and act normal then totally go nuts.
Cersei is my favorite character and I can admit how horrible she is, but, this bitch? She's infinitely worse. It's like she just believed, overnight, that Rhaenyra would have her children killed with little to no preamble. It was like...bam! She lied about being "soiled" by Daemon and my slick ass, unemployed father had a vision that she'll kill my children! It's like...wtf?!
Alicent changed because the story changed, stop complaining and accept it. It's called character development and here Aegon is alive and well, Alicent by now is hopeless and knew the truth behind Viserys words...
@@captaindesperatehousewife2441 Before Viserys died, she was preparing Aegon to become king. The scriptwriters forgot that they've written this. You don't need to lecture me.
@@tulesuresin Because Otto told her that once Rhaenyra becomes Queen, Aegon will be subjected to harm by the people and everybody until he becomes King due to tradition, so it necessary for Aegon to fight for his claim traditionally. However, Aegon is now very injured and Alicent probably thinks he's dead. Alicent can trust anybody in the green side anymore and she wants to escape with her poor daughter and child before Aemond corrupts them too. On top of that, Alicent lost power to influence anybody and she learned the truth and realized Viserys true intention. Alicent never wanted Aegon dead, it was Rhaenyra who asked for it as a price for ending the war and saving the people from death. Clearly I need to lecture you considering people like you are busy whining left and right about the show developing characters, something that's apparently forbidden for a political show to do. Go rewatch the show correctly and stop following your delusions...
@@captaindesperatehousewife2441 I didn't say anything that wasn't in the series, there is no delusion or anything. Stop being arrogant. In the timeline of the series, not even a year has passed since King Viserys I met Stranger. I don't know exactly whether it is 3 months, 6 or 11, but during that time, Alicent, who is preparing her son to become king, goes to dragonstone alone to run freely in the countryside and offers the city, the throne and her sons' heads on a golden platter to the woman she has been jealous of all her life. This is not character development.
I love that he doesnt care, even saying “that he wont challenge”. Shes doing the same thing her dad did to her, thus likely instilling fear into Aegon when he didnt need that. Rhaenyra likely would not hurt him, but Alicents attacking something she fears before it even existed is why the Dance probably happened at all.
@@janellejulianajoy Except that she's 100% right. You're all missing the point by a mile. The fact he exists means that someone else can use him as a claimant to the throne regardless of what Rhaenyra or Aegon wants. Him existing is a constant threat to her power.
@@stephenjenkins7971 Except Rhaenyra wouldn't have killed Aegon if he hadn't challenge her as heir. Even after his coronation, Rhaenyra said she was willing to spare her half-siblings if they yielded. Rhaenyra is not a monster or a kinslayer, at least not before her children's deaths. Alicent could have accepted Rhaenyra's proposal of marriage between Jace and Helaena, and all matters would have been resolved because it would be Hightower blood on the throne when Jace dies and his heir ascends.
@@tho951 1) You don't know that, Rhaenyra can and has been cruel before 2) She'd have no choice eventually since he would always be a threat to her rule regardless and they're not close enough to trust each other 3) Rhaenyra can say anything she wants, it doesn't change anything I said. He's a threat, and people are already iffy about her; so whether Daemond convinces her or people whisper in Aegon's ear -war WILL happen. 4) Even if Alicent agreed to wed their children (literally does NOTHING for her family), Jacaerys would still be seen as a illegitimate bastard and Daemond's sons would 100% turn on their brothers for power. Regardless of what happens, Rhaenyra guaranteed her family's self-destruction at some point. The stupid princess set everything up horribly.
@@stephenjenkins7971 Calling Rhaenyra stupid as if Alicent isn't the bad mother who poisons her own children for her political purpose and forcing her son and daughter to marry each other and be miserable lol. When exactly was Rhaenyra cruel before her sons' death? Aemond is the one who set the whole war full on when there was still hope to resolve the conflict peacefully. Daemon loves Rhaenyra's children as if they were his own, Aegon III and Viserys II practically worship their older brothers because unlike Alicent, Rhaenyra did not raise them to be power hungry douchebags. Marrying Helaena to Jace would ensure that Alicent is the grandmother to the heir of the throne and thus prevent the war, which is more or less the same thing they did in the end when Aegon III ascended anyway. If Otto and Alicent only wanted their blood on the throne, then it does not matter whether Aegon is king or Helaena is queen, instead now Helaena is trapped with a rapist for a husband who could not care less about her. Whoever Jace's father is, he is a Targaryen through his mother and therefore has a claim to the throne. As queen regnant, Rhaenyra could just legitimize all of her eldest sons and be done with it. As for mothering bastards it was made clear in the show that Laenor was sterile, it was not Rhaenyra's fault they could not have children.
And now Alicent has sacrificed everyone she has ever loved and cared about on the Altar of worshipping Rhaenyra. Alicent is destroyed. Its no longer team green, its team Aemond, population uno.
It already meant nothing by Episode 8 of Season 1, though. Season 2 follows the events of the last three episodes of Season 1, (8, 9, 10). By Episode 1x08 Alicent had already turned into Season 2 Alicent. If you don't believe me just rewatch those episodes. The time skip between Episode 7 and 8 changed her.
@@freethuggeryadigg no, it's not bad as season 8 but I would rank it around season 5 or 7. People refused to believe that the quality was going down during these seasons.
More than anyone, Otto is the main cause for the war to come. Setting aside the utter grossness of pimping out your own teenaged daughter to a grieving old man without even having the decency to propose the match to start with, Otto instilled the paranoia that Alicent passes on to her kids who are also dragon riders. Yeah, it’s conceivable that some lords in the realm Would have challenged Rhaeynera’s succession. And that war would have lasted less than a month with a United dragons faction. By forcing conflict within the Targaryen family itself, Otto set the stage for a brutal civil war where both sides had access to the midevil equivalent of nukes.
That was the most conventional marriage for the time. A purest form of meritocracy in an absolute monarchy. Otto is what every Westerosi man should be. Plus how are uncle lovers and wifeslayer stans moralizing about Otto?
More that Otto was a terrible parent who made Alicent into a paranoid wreck spreading that same poison to her kids all for the sake of his insatiable need to put his family in a better position. He would get his heir on the iron throne, but his family and the world would be all the worse for it.
@chase mcnab what otto did (the marriage) was completely normal and conventional for that time period. what otto said (about her son's lives) was very practical given all of targaryen history. Otto did nothing wrong. maybe rhaenyra should just quit when the realm refuses to accept her as a ruler.
Rhaenyra proved she was a threat to Alicents sons. When she demanded Amend be sharply questioned immediately after he lost his eye. Sadly Otto was correct she would have no choice but to put the 2 boys to the sword. Everyone knew what Rhaenyra kids were.
@@b.b.s7545 I know that. But it’s not like it’s being played in the scene itself, like it was at the red wedding. It’s purely for the audience rather than the characters
Same with real life royalty to be honest. If there's a firstborn son of a king kicking around, they're probably going to die. Like the Princes in the Tower.
@@s_.777yeah she had daemon killed vaemond and fed to her dragon.she has three half brothers who have a better claim than her acc to westerosi laws and customs.plus she wants to put her bastards in the line of succession, can she really do that while her half brothers live, while their claim is way stronger than her strong sons.just by existing the sons of alicent are a threat to her and daemon, any grasping lord in his greed might try to assasinate rhaenyra and her one of her sons just like tywin did when he killed aegon and rhaenys.
@@s_.777 yes she would lol. She wanted a young Aemond to be "sharply questioned" (meaning tortured) after one of her bastards attempted to murder him. And then she wants the same bastard who commited the attempted kinslaying in line for the throne? Lords will object to that and people will challenge her claim no matter what. Whether Aegon and the Hightowers challenge her claim or not.
I'm so sick of the Team Black cope saying Rhaenyra only wants his head now that he did usurp her throne. No, Alicent is correct in the scene the very fact that he exists undermines Rhaenyra and her bastard.
Rhaenyra literally said she wanted Aemond (a literal child who had just been mutilated) to be tortured and accused him of treason. She lined up literal children to be burned by Vermithor to get dragon riders for her war. Moreover, Rhaenyra was favoured like Viserys' Golden Child and he never protected the Greens (like Aegon) from her or her kids. She stole Driftmark from it's rightful heirs, whose to say she wouldn't be willing to kill to secure her claim? That fact aside, Daemon has proved he often acts without her consent killing people and he's utterly sociopathic. Even the people by her side pose a danger.
@@lordfreerealestate8302you clearly didnt understand that scene. Rhaenyra said that she wants Aemond tortured just to make Alicent expose herself, which she did
Rhaenyra looks weak now by picking Aegon to be beheaded in public. Aemond and daeron are next in line and have dragons. She only chose Aegon because he is now crippled and can't defend himself.
and then you have people acting like aegon plotted to sit the throne, he never wanted the throne, he was forced by the men of the realm to wear the crown, by the society around him, forced to a role based on his gender.
I've seen people compare Alicent to Cersei, since they're both villains and both Queens, but I don't think they have much in common, apart from wanting to see their sons ascend the throne. Cersei is more on the sinister side of bad, white Alicent is more on the fanatical side of bad. Also, I don't think Alicent enjoys inflicting pain on others as much as Cersei does.
Alicent doesn't enjoy inflicitng pain period, it sickens her. She is only driven by anxiety and paranoia not sadism or cruelty like Cersei. Yet she will commit the same levels of atrocity or worse, she will go to any lengths because the "game" has unhinged her. In my mind she is more relatable and honestly maybe more terrifying than Cersei. She is a normal woman whose psyche was irrepairably damaged by the horrible politicking her father thrust her in, and now she is perpetuating the cycle of violence and schemes
It may seem like Alicent is paranoid that Rhaenyra may kill her kids to protect her own claim, but Rhaenyra did demand that Aemond, who had just lost an eye at Rhaenyra's son's hand, be strongly questioned, which implies torture Both Rhaenyra and Alicent have a darkness to them that comes out occasionally, but only Rhaenyra's is ignored for the most part
True, but that was only AFTER Aemond called her children bastards, which puts their lives at risk, and got into a physical altercation with them where Aemond tried to hit one of the with a rock. Plus, I think after dealing with Alicent's bullshit for 10 years, this was the straw that broke the camel's back for Rhaenerya.
@@shannonrichardson5129 All of that precisely proves Rhaenyra would actually have ended up killing her half-brothers (and maybe even her half-sister) in order to protect her children. Alicent is right.
Um.. no Alicent created that incident by turning her own sons against Rhaenyra's. Had she properly raised them this shit wouldn't have happened. Alicent created most of her problems. The rest is mostly her father's fault.
I think your reading into things, I think she simply wanted to know who told him of their kids parentage I don’t think she’d hurt a boy to get that knowledge, besides Rhaenyra already knows just needs confirmation as to hold whisperre such things I think DAEMON might’ve killed aemon or hurt him on her behalf but rhaenyra isn’t violent or confrontational like that I mean when did u ever see her have someone murdered interrogated & killed all of her own whim & secrecy ??
now she acts like a saint in front of rhaenera, says that she only supported aegon's ascension because she misheard her father even though she was planning it since they were children. she was always a hypocrite but the way show is making her a damsel who had no control is awful approach.
Alicent is protective to her children, she had no interest when heleana is taking about her bugs. It seems like shes just talking to her but so bored and so disinterest with it. She protects aemond, because he had no dragon thus subject for bullying. She also blind sighted because she knows its aegon who actually makes fun of aemond, yet she convince herself that its rhaenyra's sons.
@@garlantyrell6368Alicent cleverly left out the part where Aegon too teased Aemond and blamed Jace and Luke to Viserys. Viserys of course knew better and pointed out how Aegon would've been the mastermind behind such pranks. And here u can see how Alicent is poisoning Aegon's mind and trying to turn him against his sister and nephews. So no wonder Aemond felt the same and had this superiority complex.
Rhaenyra lied to her before on her mothers grave considering how religious Alicent is what makes her think she wouldn’t lie again saying she wouldn’t harm her children? She has all rights to prepare her children for what’s to come
Actually Rhaenyra didn't lie because Alicent's accusations was Rhaneyra sleeping with Daemon, which she didn't do, she slept with ser Criston Cole, so Rhaenyra wasn't lying when she said she didn't sleep with Daemon. Also Alicent is venting all her pent up anger for being force to marry an old man by her father unjustly on Rhaenyra and she's jealous because Rhaenyra get to do what she wants, so she's spiteful towards her because she doesn't have that kind of freedom. Reality is she wants to have what Rhaenyra has. The throne, the power, the freedom, everything. Afterall green is not just the color of the Hightower's banner in war, but also the color of greed and jealousy.
@@kerol5905 No, Rhaenyra swore on the memory of her mother that Daemon never touched her...which is not true. Alicent later mentioned to Viserys that Rhaenyra had said that she was still a maiden...which was also not true. I am sure envy of Rhaenyra's freedom and resentment for having to marry Viserys are part of why Alicent is acting this way but from her perspective she also has no real reason to believe her about anything anymore.
@@Regenmacher175 You have to think of Rhaenyra’s character so far. She is not a monster and would not hurt her siblings. Alicent on her own accord said Rhaenyra was still a maiden, even though she didn’t say she was. She swore that Daemon never “touched” her. Touch in this aspect probably means intercourse, which they didn’t have. Is R perfect? Not at all. Alicent’s fears are valid but Rhaenrya is offering good solutions and Alicent is saying no.
@@kazzlie4510 I agree that Alicent should have accepted Rhaenyra's olive branch but the problem is she can no longer be convinced that Rhaenyra is not a snake. They're at an impasse.
Do you really want to know? SPOILERS Alicent’s ENTIRE Targaryen bloodline is wiped out after the war ends and the dust settles. Alicent dies of a fever the same year her last descendant dies, little Queen Jaehaera.
Interesting that a remix of Rains of Castamere (House Lannister's theme song) is playing the background. Could be foreshadowing that Alicent's plotting is fated to doom herself and her house just like the lord of Castamere did with his.
Alicent is right honestly . Considering Viserys would let Rhaenyra get away with high treason, and Daemon killed his first wife just cause he wanted, and then seemingly Laenor as well... Is Alicent wrong? What's stopping Daemon from going after her kids, one by one, in some "accident" or another?.
Viserys also let alicent get away with high treason by attacking and drawing blood from his heir. Alicent protects criston cole who has murdered people just cos he goes batshit and also protects larys when he murders his own father and brother even tho in thisbuniverse kinslaying is viewed as an abomination
I feel bad for Aegon, sure he's childish and acts kind of jerky, but he's just a child in a mans body. He has no want for power or the throne, he just wants to enjoy his life. His mother is pushing him to do something he does not want. She is straight up nuts, she thinks Rhaenyra is planning her sons death at every waking moment. I thought Aegon was going to be Jofferey level of narcist, he has bad qualities sure, but I think he has a childs mind, I could see him doing some bad stuff later on, but so far he is a lot more tame than I thought he was going to be.
It is funny that the Targaryen want to multiply as much as possible to spread their Valyrian blood and not to mention that they practice incest and linebreeding to diversify the genepool while retaining Valyrian traits. Killing kins is the last thing on rhaenyra mind
@@janellejulianajoy I feel you, I can see it in his eyes the way he looks at the world. When he went to find the dragons and I saw him looking at the dragon like he ready to mess people up. He look like he would burn down a whole city and not blink an eye.
@@canococentral1159 The dragon gave him confidence that he needed , but, it changes him. He becomes a force to be reckoned with as a fighter, now, add being a rider to the largest and fiercest dragon alive. Not to mention, he gains this with using only one eye. You can't tell him shit. He's Joffrey on crack. He can personally back up his threats.
Even if he didn't challenge the situation is complicated, many will accept her as their Queen but people can't just abandoned the way they lived for a hundreds pf years, the realm will never fully accept a women as a ruler especially if their is a male rightful heir, so as long as Aegon lives its clear that his life will be in danger. What Alicent did doesn't matter, Otto and the council were gonna made Aegon king anyway, her words about Viserys only work for her, it was the thing she tell herself to made herself feel better about the situation, none of the council actually think Viserys said those words.
I’m sorry but anyone who knows anything about the history of Kings and Queens in Europe, knows that Rhaenyra would definitely execute Aegon, Aemond and Daeron. She would have no choice. Knowing her character, she wouldn’t do it as soon as she became Queen. But as long as her brothers (and their children) lived there would be Lords rebelling against her to put one of them on the throne. If you want to wear the crown and hold onto it, you have to be ruthless, and you can’t have people with better claims readily available to replace you.
Gotta consider the medieval context where some of the possibilities she's paranoid about are likely. Lingering conflicting claims always cause problems. Sure Aegon is unwilling but what if his brothers or any of their descendants aren't? They look at the precedents of the past and say they are the true kings? Just by existing they are a rally point for all of the discontented. Rhaenyra would be stupid not to deal with 3 siblings who arguably have a better claim, and if she can't see it then those who invested in her (her supporters) will, especially because the unprecedented nature of her claim and the illegitimacy of her children. Her siblings definitely have a better claim than her bastards and if she wants to protect her frauds she should remove the legitimate claimants. Unwilling Aegon here can't really walk out of this because half the realm thinks he's the true king simply by existing and that's the threat.
A lot of people are saying Rhaeynyra likely won't kill Aegon but I can see why the Hightowers are so fearful of it. Primarily, they feel uncertain about what type of ruler Rhaenyra would be if she claimed the throne with the rumours floating around about her bastard sons. It's interesting how viewers will try to argue in Rhaenyra's favour saying that she won't likely take that path but if we were all in Alicent's position, how can you be sure? And if you can't be sure, wouldn't you try to secure your own power and position rather than (as Otto said) bank on the fact that Rhaenyra won't execute your children? It's clear that the Hightowers are acting based on their fear (and yes, better decisions could have been made, as always with anything) but it's understandable nonetheless.
@@BleedingGrafitti would have made a terrible queen regardless. Passing those two bastards are Targaryens, she basically ensured someone will question their claim no matter what happens. She's lucky Viserys I is incompetent and has favoritism.
@@SDG.12 Unless the writers decide to cut it out ... like they've softened so much else. Rhaenyra has exhibited malicious tendencies (like wanting a child tortured) and deeply manipulative tendencies. She also surrounded herself with Daemon and Rhaenys, who have killed innocent people before and are very dangerous/unpredictable. But the poster above is right in saying she's a wild card ... and the Greens would be gambling their very LIVES on whether or not she'd be willing to show mercy to family members she doesn't even really like.
What's so dumb is that vicerys was convinced to marry again to "strengthen his line and produce more heirs". Doing so actually killed his heirs and weakened his line. Would have been so much better off just leaving things alone. And rhaenyra would never have killed her brothers. She was not the scheming one.
@@philippeblais8594 @philippeblais8594 what I find very unrealistic is that he didn't make any legal move to formally make her his heir. Because this is modeled on medieval Europe and that's what they would do. Kings were obsessed with who would be their heir. And they had these major legal documents and proceedings which made it very very clear who would be their heir so that if they should die suddenly exactly such a situation as this would be avoided. It reminds me of the whole tumult regarding an heir to Edward vi, son of Henry VIII He drew up a document naming lady Jane grey as his heir. It didn't help though, as it was contested and they killed poor Jane, who had never pushed to be queen anyway...
I used to feel sorry for her in the first episodes but after seeing what she did to Rhaenyra after giving birth and seeing her trying to manipulate Aegon and Viserys into her favour not anymore. Both alicent and criston cole characters went to 🗑 during this episode.
I've never like her or her father, they are willing to destroy a family to fullfil their ambition. Her children are awful as well. Never understand what is her problem with Rhaenyra, like she was an example of vitude. I guess she forgot about Daemon.
@@jayashreedas4497 SPOILER It is rumour that Otto Hightower hates Daemon because he took Alicent's maidenhood and also that she might still be in love with him. So this one criticizing Rhaenyra is a joke. I don't know if the show will ever talk about that.
@@Emy-fv5ny we will see more of what Older Rhaenyra is capable of later this season. Im just gonna wait for now on how the show would handle it when she will face a certain opponent
She's not wrong, he is a challenge to Rhaenyra by existing. Even if Rhaenyra is not cruel, and Aegon does not pursue the throne, others may take action on his or her behalf that will put his life at risk
100% Not true. Alicent planted seeds of mistrust in Aegon because Otto did the same with her. Lack of trust and faith in Rhaenyra and the king's word is why she is telling Aegon this. To think that Rhaenyra or Daemon would kill Aemond and Aegon just to ensure Rhaenyra has no potential challengers is actually... paranoid thinking.
@@in_vas_por8810 Actually there was a real threat of that. As long as Aegon was alive there would be those who would say he is king since he was Viserys oldest son. They would commit acts of rebellion in his name, whether he condoned it or not and Rhaenyra would eventually have no choice but to kill him, his brothers and sons.
@@TJ-fe7rr Those oaths went out the window the second Aegon was born. Those lords are the same people that voted for Viserys to be king over Rhaenys. They'd prefer an incompetent man with no dragon over a formidable woman who had the fastest dragon and 4th largest dragon at the time.
My heart always ache's when I remember Aegon never even wanted the crown. It hurts seeing how Alicent planted the same idea's into her son's head that her father planted into her's. Generational trauma at it's finest
The writers tried to turn Rhaenyra into a sainted Girlboss while villifying the Greens. Then, they lost all cohesion and direction and good interpretation of the source material in a fiasco so bad even GRRM himself released a statement saying they screwed up.
Alicent was right, though. In order to secure her claim, Rhaenyra would have to put her half-siblings and their offspring to the sword, even if she didn’t want to do it. Robert didn’t want to slay the remaining Lannister children so he left it to Tywin. If Rhaenyra couldn’t stomach it, Daemon would have leaped for the chance.
@@janellejulianajoyhistorical precedent as well as the whole blackfyre rebellions contradict this. Even Robert Baratheon (aswell as Tywin) as the other guy mentioned knew that should Rhaegar's children remain alive there would always be a challange to his throne which is why Tywin had them killed and Robert didn't punish him, he also sent Stannis to dragonstone to capture Viserys and Daenerys. Maegor became king exactly because of what you said wouldn't happen. I swr ppl are naive to the realities of medieval politics.
I don't think Alicent is wrong here. People forget that Rhaenyra being heir is literally against the law and customers of Westeros and as Daemon said you have to take into account what the people think. They wouldn't just let Rhaenyra be queen without pushing back Then there's the argument that Rhaenyra wanted to end the fighting by betrothing her son to Alicents daughter with Alicent refusing. But Alicent was already convinced that Rhaenyras kids were illegitimate and had no right to claim the throne. Just like her father, she's just playing the game based on the time and place she's in
She will have. Because she is a woman and not ever before has a woman inherit ahead of males in the realm not to mention her sons are bastards and her descendants would be Velaryons not Targaryens (surname is inherited by your father). On top of it all, no matter who opposed her (all kings and queens have oppositors or people displeased) her brothers would be used as a treat to depose her and put them instead. They will be a constant threat to her power. 3 male brothers! All with desires to also be made Kings because why would they have to have a female ruler when in the past males inherited ahead of them? So once she executed them they would no longer cause a threat to her own claim and people liking her or not would have to stick with her (unless she really messes things up and her son or another dynasty is put in place). Its a matter of how not really if she would have done it. Same happened to Mary Tudor (who didnt but should haved killed Elizabeth I) and to Elizabeth with Mary Queen of Scots, only one can remain.
i ddint even realize that the rendition of “Rains of Castamere” (House Lannsister’s theme) was being played at the end of this scene! Really comes to show the similarities of Alicent and Cersei’s political paranoia to a point where they both try to manipulate their children in attempt to bring themselves into power.
@@AdvicewithAviana Interestingly, Alicent was made to have kids for Viserys when she wasn't much older than Aegon is here. By shaming Aegon for not living up to his culturally-imposed role at an unreasonably young age, she's repeating the societal abuse levied against her. She's a victim of the system, and she's failing to break the cycle for Aegon.
@@fortheloveofcats2462 that's an unnecessary rude comment imo. But anyway, in the books "sharply questioned" is a pretty way to say 'torture' and was used several times in that context.
It's really funny how people see rhaenyra as some revolutionary feminist and alicent as an evil stepmother, even though they're not not.Both parties didn't have any option other than either be killed or kill. There are only two option available for peace between green and black:- 1) marriage between rhaenyra and aegon. 2) no second marriage of viserys.
This is sad, but unfortunately, a logical path for her. If Rhaenyra remained sincere with Alicent regarding Criston Cole, I believe she would still listen to Rhaenyra more than Otto, thus not believing a word from him regarding Rhaenyra as a bloodbath queen. And now, Alicent is trying to influence her son like Otto with her. That's what I like about GoT. Everyone has pretty much paved the path to this direction.
@@yakiralovesall This is why i said "If". Rhaenyra had the right to ignore Alicent, which is fine in a normal setting. (Fire with fire) But here, it's a royal court. Every connections matter, because it has an impact on the way a place is managed.
The are opposite of Cersei and Joffrey Joffrey is Cercei fav child Alicent hate Aegon the most When Cercei ask Joffrey to do something he does it in a opposite way or ignore her while Aegon is doing what Alicent tell him or at least he is trying too hard Cersei is trying stop Joffrey from being too cruel Alicent is pushing Aegon to be more cruel Cercei slaps Joffrey he threatened her to kill her When Alicent slapped Aegon he was hurt and almost cry Cercei gave gave Joffrey the most love out of all her children spoiling him Aegon got the least love from Alicent
What's enlightening here is that Aegon is not depicted having Joffrey's cruelty. He's simply childish and entitled, but does not ask to be ruler nor wants to. He just wants to have the lifestyle, not the responsibility. It's what gets thrust upon him later in the story does his character change.
"We must defend our own" - well that was a fu***ng lie
not in the books its not
@@Yellow-lb1rd Yeah, her words will came back to hunt her, Aegon too.
@parakrambasnet6317 even in the book she and otto do it for power and THEN her children's safety xd...
and the most ridiculous thing is that he could ensure the life of his children AND put her blood on the throne XDD but he refused because of his hatred for Rhaenyra xd
@@teddy4844 But Jacaerys was bastard and she was faithfull to Seven. You don't understand that she couldn't really give her daughter to child conceived by sin? You can say Rhaenyra was desperate. But how Alicent could know that? Rhaeyra lied to her even before and then she act exactly as one would expect, from Alicent's point of view and with her informations. Rhaneyra was unlucky, that they couldn't have children with Laenor, but no one forces her to sleep with man who looks nothing like Laenor and scream to whole world Strong boys aren't his.
The way she fucking grabs his face. Wow. Olivia Cooke sold this scene and Ty Tennant was amazing too, he looked like he legit flinched at her intensity. Great actors, I wish we could gave seen more of them together.
"She could move to cut off any challenge to her succession!"
"We'll then I just won't challenge..." 😂
It doesn't matter Aegon would not challenge... The threat would always be there in Daemon's eyes and, through his influence, in Rhaenyra's... same with Jon discovered to being a Targaryen, two centuries later... He would forever be a threat to Danny's claim! This is the TRUE game of thrones, brothers envying brothers, kin envying kin, all colluding to sit on the throne! I actually blame Viserys, not Otto! Had Viserys been a TRUE king, he would have tapped into the pulse of tradition and realised that even if he felt guilty for neglecting Rhaenyra so long in the obsessive pursuit of a male heir, once Aegon was born, he should have released Rhaenyra of that responsibility solely because it would proactively prevent everything that eventually happened, the clash between his tradition-disruptive choice and secular tradition, personified by Otto, the Hand of THREE kings! So, since the cause of anything is at the very beginning of it, I blame Viserys for succumbing to his fatherly remorse and completely failing to accept and therefore act on the growing feuds between both sides of her house, especially Daemon's vulturing over Rhaneyra! Viserys was a negligent father, a negligent king and THAT is what usually happens with PACIFISTS, they end up doing more harm than good! All would have been prevented by him having a frank, thoughtful talk with Rhaenyra after Aegon was born and was deemed healthy, and convincing her about the good of the realm being the MAINTENANCE OF TRADITION to prevent unnecessary and avoidable problems! THAT is what a TRUE, WISE king would do, do everything in his power to secure a peaceful succession, use his power to defuse those squabbles than ended up CAUSING the ACTUAL WAR, and do everything in his power to keep his family united, which he never did, being downright and willingly oblivious to it! You do not let feuds grow in your family, you squash them when they are still little! Had Viserys accepted the reality of Rhaneyra's bastards, he would have talked to Aemond and prevent their rivalry from escalating to losing body parts AND ultimately kinslaying!
@@rijoenpial YAP YAP YAP nyra would never kill them if they wouldnt usurp her. until the last episode she was literally still hoping that they all could make peace. also dont come up with the jon snow bullshit that completly violated the lore. jon snow still wasnt legitimate and even if he would have been, his line was disinherited by aerys.
the kings word counts. thats why even otto and aemond admited that they usurped it. and thats why otto said to the folk that viserys changed his mind.
otto himself disagrees btw. his best solution would have been if aegon was her king consort. he doesnt care if he sits on the iron throne or not.
you are obviously a show only watcher who doesnt know anything about the lore
@@joel5135 Yeah in this very particular book version of events (particularly the 2nd season) rhaenyra behaves like a fairy tale character. I guess we've yet to see if they want to indulge that fantasy or show her for what she is in context.
@@gezenews I'm afraid they're going to change the events from the book. You never know they could alter everything by this point.
@@rijoenpialYeah....this is false 😂
0:36-0:40 - Brilliant acting by Olivia Cooke. She's so effective as the more cunning and manipulative Alicent.
Dang now i kinda wanna see Emma D'arcy do that phrase to maybe Aegon or Luke's actor
Or maybe Emily Carey and Milly Alcock doing that phrase to each other. Wouldn't that be cool?
She makes me despise her and I love it. Her acting is amazing.
She deserves an Emmy
Olivia Cooke will be getting an Emmy for this for sure
I don't think that she was trying to be manipulative. I think she really believed what she was saying because of otto's manipulation.
I feel kinda bad for Alicent. Her father has convinced her that Rhaenyra will kill her sons in order to secure her claim to the throne and now she's trying to do the same to Aegon. Rhaenyra wouldn't have killed Aegon. This war is the fault of Otto Hightower's shitstirring
She's doing all this due to her own ambition and she tell herself that she is doing it because she is morally better than Rhaenyra or the rest of Targaryens. But in the end is just ambitions, I wouldn't be surprised that she expects to be regent as well.
"Rhaenyra wouldn't have killed Aegon". The fact is, it's not that simple.
Rhaenyra lives in a hostile environment. The Red Keep is a pit of snakes. The realm as a whole mistrusts women and is reluctant to accept them as rulers (yeah, there are exceptions like lady Arryn in the Vale, but they are just that: exceptions). Rhaenys, who by all accounts was more charismatic and intelligent than Viserys, and who was the daughter of the eldest son, was passed over precisely because she was a woman. Men in the Seven Kingdoms believe that power is their duty and privilege, and theirs alone. They could accept Rhaenyra when she was the king's only child; but the fact that she'll get the throne even with two living brothers is not just weird: it's an insult to the moral and social order these Lords know and enforce, a threat to the stability of their own houses (if a woman can inherit the Iron throne, will their own daughters keep silent and watch younger brothers get land and titles that could be theirs?).
Add to that the fact that Rhaenyra had children out of wedlock, something that is considered unacceptable for a woman. It's an open secret that one day an illegitimate child will sit the Iron Throne. Again, this is an insult to the moral code of that society. In the eyes of the Lords, not only is the (future) queen a woman: she's also the worst kind of woman, one who has no decency and respect.
Against this backdrop, Rhaenyra becomes queen. She is watched closely. Lords question every move she makes. If she yields, that's proof of her weakness as a woman. If she stands her ground, that's proof that, as a woman, she's unreasonable and spoiled. Soon, Lords start to question whether she's fit to rule. Maybe she should be replaced by a man, however young. But her own sons are bastards, the whole realm knows (or at least suspects) that. Who should the Lords turn to? And the answer is clear: Aegon. Aegon is a man & his parentage cannot be questioned. By the laws of Gods and men, HE should be the king of the Seven Kingdoms.
And just like that, Aegon becomes a mortal danger to Rhaenyra. Her throne, her power, her safety and that of her immediate family are threatened by the fact that the lords of the seven kingdoms will never fully accept her as a queen as long as they have a viable alternative. What is she to do? When was she secure in her inheritance? When there was no alternative. When she was the only child of Viserys - or at least, his eldest daughter (notice that Alicent never mentions Halaena. She wouldn't be a threat to Rhaenyra).
As modern readers/show watchers, we might not realize this. But Otto and (now) Alicent do. And I don't blame her for being terrified for her son. Viserys put her in a terrible position. He is a good man, and tends to forget not everyone else is as good.
@@camillaallegrucci1311 that's a hell of a lot of speculation. The realm can suspect Rhaenyra's children as bastards all they like but unless someone with actual authority over her ie Visarys declares them as bastards it doesn't really matter. The people with the most power get to decide what's true. If the heir to the throne says "these children are my trueborn heirs" then they are the trueborn heirs whether it's actually true or not. Besides they are not the king. Visarys is and like Daemon said, the king's word is law. They all swore allegiance to Rhaenyra. They can bitch and moan all they like but the king said Rhaenyra will rule and all of the lords agreed. So Rhaenyra has no reason to kill Aegon so long as Aegon doesn't challenge the claim. Because he is not the challenge. The king's word is law and the king is saying Rhaenyra is heir and these allegations are nothing more than gossip. So what the griping lords think really doesn't matter. Rhaenyra is also not a cruel monster at this point who would murder her own brothers. She was willing to resolve it with diplomacy until Aemon killed her son
Rhaenyra would definitely have killed him.
@@camillaallegrucci1311 that was a very astute analysis. bravo
Omg the last musical phrase combines “Light of the Seven” (cello undercurrent) and the “The Rains of Castermere”… chills.
It’s interesting the contrast of mothers in this episode.
Rhaenyra, Laena, and Alicent.
Alicent is protective of her children but not very affectionate. She wants them to know their place and displays deep paranoia.
It’s like in the earlier episodes when she’s rocking her babes, she’s doing what she’s supposed to do, maybe even more than what’s expected since she doesn’t leave them with a nurse, but she’s vacant, disassociated from it all.
In her scene with Helaena she seems to be half listening and then Aemond comes in after the episode with the pig. This is when she’s the most direct.
Rhaenyra is all about the touch, the gentle looks, the caresses. She smiles at Joffrey constantly despite being in deep pain. Her children are her great love, she’s protective as well but handles her fear differently. She doesn’t show it to her children, her fear is meant to be a secret shielded from her children.
Laena doesn’t have the same fears. She longs for home. She touches and caresses her children as well, assuages their fears. She ultimately dies with her child, greeting death by choice. She leaves her children in the hands of their father, hoping they’ll go home unlike her.
it’s also important to note the fathers in each scenario. Viserys was not Alicent’s choice, Harwin is Rhaenyra’s choice yet unsuitable and dangerous, and while Daemon cares for Laena, she wasn’t HIS first choice, yet they have the most solid relationship. Daemon is also dismissive of his younger daughter, possibly bc she has yet to become a dragon rider.
Not sure if you've read the books, but there, things are slightly different.
Laena and him loved each other and had quite the passionate relationship.
He seems to have genuinely adored her, whereas in the show, there's this sort of gloom over their union. As if he had married her out of circumstance, as opposed to the fiery desire he had for her in the source material.
And there, he was quite a loving, doting father on her daughters, both of them. Whereas in the show, he seems to be kind of distant.
All in all, Daemon is depicted in a better light on Fire and Blood than on the show. He's shown as having a blissful, happy life there with Laena and his daughters, as opposed to the melancholy he feels here.
In the books, Laena also dies in Driftmark, in her father's island.
And before dying, she takes one last ride on Vaghar.
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ I have read most of Fire and Blood. Certain aspects I wish they kept like Laena and Rhaenyra’s friendship and Daemon’s love for his girls. Maybe they’ll become closer in the coming episodes. Even in the show, Daemon’s love/devotion for his family, specifically Rhaenyra and Viserys, is one of his strongest attributes yet it seems to have been dropped when it comes to his own immediate family.
@@jackierosas9593 Exaxtly.
Laena and Rhaenrya became quite close as the latter was there to assist in her birth before she died.
So eloquently said.
Aemond and Helaena are definitely Alicent’s favorites
Alicent and Aegon are like Cersei and Joffrey on acid. The show depicts Alicent as someone not narcissistic like Cersei but bitter and twisted by loneliness, anxiety and constant political tolerance, making her relatable but at the same time unhinged, that’s actually more terrifying than Cersei. Because Alicent would appear and act normal then totally go nuts.
Rhaenyra is more like Cersei. Cersei do whatever she wanted, get Bastard sons, incest acts.
Rhaenyra is more like Cersei tbh
Alicent is nothing like Cersei. The whore of Dragonstone and her entitled attitude feels more like Cersei to me.
Cersei is my favorite character and I can admit how horrible she is, but, this bitch? She's infinitely worse.
It's like she just believed, overnight, that Rhaenyra would have her children killed with little to no preamble.
It was like...bam! She lied about being "soiled" by Daemon and my slick ass, unemployed father had a vision that she'll kill my children!
It's like...wtf?!
@@joyboy_5613 But she had her bastards by specifically NOT doing the incest she was supposed to be engaged in with her gay cousin. lol.
I want Alicent back in this scene 😢
Alicent changed because the story changed, stop complaining and accept it. It's called character development and here Aegon is alive and well, Alicent by now is hopeless and knew the truth behind Viserys words...
@@captaindesperatehousewife2441 Before Viserys died, she was preparing Aegon to become king. The scriptwriters forgot that they've written this. You don't need to lecture me.
@@tulesuresin
Because Otto told her that once Rhaenyra becomes Queen, Aegon will be subjected to harm by the people and everybody until he becomes King due to tradition, so it necessary for Aegon to fight for his claim traditionally.
However, Aegon is now very injured and Alicent probably thinks he's dead. Alicent can trust anybody in the green side anymore and she wants to escape with her poor daughter and child before Aemond corrupts them too. On top of that, Alicent lost power to influence anybody and she learned the truth and realized Viserys true intention. Alicent never wanted Aegon dead, it was Rhaenyra who asked for it as a price for ending the war and saving the people from death.
Clearly I need to lecture you considering people like you are busy whining left and right about the show developing characters, something that's apparently forbidden for a political show to do. Go rewatch the show correctly and stop following your delusions...
@@captaindesperatehousewife2441I'm not the one with the delusion, I didn't say anything that wasn't in the series. Stop being a smartass.
@@captaindesperatehousewife2441 I didn't say anything that wasn't in the series, there is no delusion or anything. Stop being arrogant. In the timeline of the series, not even a year has passed since King Viserys I met Stranger. I don't know exactly whether it is 3 months, 6 or 11, but during that time, Alicent, who is preparing her son to become king, goes to dragonstone alone to run freely in the countryside and offers the city, the throne and her sons' heads on a golden platter to the woman she has been jealous of all her life. This is not character development.
I love that he doesnt care, even saying “that he wont challenge”. Shes doing the same thing her dad did to her, thus likely instilling fear into Aegon when he didnt need that. Rhaenyra likely would not hurt him, but Alicents attacking something she fears before it even existed is why the Dance probably happened at all.
This is exactly what happens. Aegon didn't care, but, after years of having it forced onto him he started to believe what they said.
@@janellejulianajoy Except that she's 100% right. You're all missing the point by a mile. The fact he exists means that someone else can use him as a claimant to the throne regardless of what Rhaenyra or Aegon wants. Him existing is a constant threat to her power.
@@stephenjenkins7971 Except Rhaenyra wouldn't have killed Aegon if he hadn't challenge her as heir. Even after his coronation, Rhaenyra said she was willing to spare her half-siblings if they yielded. Rhaenyra is not a monster or a kinslayer, at least not before her children's deaths. Alicent could have accepted Rhaenyra's proposal of marriage between Jace and Helaena, and all matters would have been resolved because it would be Hightower blood on the throne when Jace dies and his heir ascends.
@@tho951 1) You don't know that, Rhaenyra can and has been cruel before
2) She'd have no choice eventually since he would always be a threat to her rule regardless and they're not close enough to trust each other
3) Rhaenyra can say anything she wants, it doesn't change anything I said. He's a threat, and people are already iffy about her; so whether Daemond convinces her or people whisper in Aegon's ear -war WILL happen.
4) Even if Alicent agreed to wed their children (literally does NOTHING for her family), Jacaerys would still be seen as a illegitimate bastard and Daemond's sons would 100% turn on their brothers for power.
Regardless of what happens, Rhaenyra guaranteed her family's self-destruction at some point. The stupid princess set everything up horribly.
@@stephenjenkins7971 Calling Rhaenyra stupid as if Alicent isn't the bad mother who poisons her own children for her political purpose and forcing her son and daughter to marry each other and be miserable lol. When exactly was Rhaenyra cruel before her sons' death? Aemond is the one who set the whole war full on when there was still hope to resolve the conflict peacefully. Daemon loves Rhaenyra's children as if they were his own, Aegon III and Viserys II practically worship their older brothers because unlike Alicent, Rhaenyra did not raise them to be power hungry douchebags. Marrying Helaena to Jace would ensure that Alicent is the grandmother to the heir of the throne and thus prevent the war, which is more or less the same thing they did in the end when Aegon III ascended anyway. If Otto and Alicent only wanted their blood on the throne, then it does not matter whether Aegon is king or Helaena is queen, instead now Helaena is trapped with a rapist for a husband who could not care less about her. Whoever Jace's father is, he is a Targaryen through his mother and therefore has a claim to the throne. As queen regnant, Rhaenyra could just legitimize all of her eldest sons and be done with it. As for mothering bastards it was made clear in the show that Laenor was sterile, it was not Rhaenyra's fault they could not have children.
And now Alicent has sacrificed everyone she has ever loved and cared about on the Altar of worshipping Rhaenyra. Alicent is destroyed. Its no longer team green, its team Aemond, population uno.
This show is heavily biased towards Rhaenyra/Blacks, so of course the writers made her fall at her feet.
@@lordfreerealestate8302you wanted the greens of the book? They were pure villains in there.
@@katytyrell406 the greens in the show are more cartoonisnly evil. The greens in the books had some qualities.
WHERE IS THIS ALICENT IN SEASON 2?
As it turns out, this scene meant nothing.
It already meant nothing by Episode 8 of Season 1, though. Season 2 follows the events of the last three episodes of Season 1, (8, 9, 10). By Episode 1x08 Alicent had already turned into Season 2 Alicent. If you don't believe me just rewatch those episodes. The time skip between Episode 7 and 8 changed her.
You just not smart enough to understand it bruh
You know, i also saw comment like yours when GoT S8 aired.@@raminMTL
@@kushagraprasad4367you all have shit taste if you think HOTD season 2 is even HALF as bad as season 8 of GOT
@@freethuggeryadigg no, it's not bad as season 8 but I would rank it around season 5 or 7. People refused to believe that the quality was going down during these seasons.
More than anyone, Otto is the main cause for the war to come. Setting aside the utter grossness of pimping out your own teenaged daughter to a grieving old man without even having the decency to propose the match to start with, Otto instilled the paranoia that Alicent passes on to her kids who are also dragon riders.
Yeah, it’s conceivable that some lords in the realm Would have challenged Rhaeynera’s succession. And that war would have lasted less than a month with a United dragons faction. By forcing conflict within the Targaryen family itself, Otto set the stage for a brutal civil war where both sides had access to the midevil equivalent of nukes.
That was the most conventional marriage for the time. A purest form of meritocracy in an absolute monarchy. Otto is what every Westerosi man should be. Plus how are uncle lovers and wifeslayer stans moralizing about Otto?
More that Otto was a terrible parent who made Alicent into a paranoid wreck spreading that same poison to her kids all for the sake of his insatiable need to put his family in a better position. He would get his heir on the iron throne, but his family and the world would be all the worse for it.
@chase mcnab what otto did (the marriage) was completely normal and conventional for that time period. what otto said (about her son's lives) was very practical given all of targaryen history. Otto did nothing wrong. maybe rhaenyra should just quit when the realm refuses to accept her as a ruler.
Im surprised what remained of house targaryan didnt erase house hightower from existence.
@@BlackDiamond2718 Nothing remained of House Targaryen lmao. House Hightower prospered.
Rhaenyra proved she was a threat to Alicents sons. When she demanded Amend be sharply questioned immediately after he lost his eye. Sadly Otto was correct she would have no choice but to put the 2 boys to the sword. Everyone knew what Rhaenyra kids were.
Olivia Cooke is amazing, love the new cast! It’s getting juicy
Love how the rains of castamere is playing in the background
Bro was jaggin off while standing on the edge of the window 🤣
Man's living life the right way 🤣😭
And then you realize, that is the same window when Tommen killed himself
@@margarethmichelina5146 Where kings came and went
Kinda weird that Alicent sneaked up behind him and starting talking.
@@HappyduderawrNo big deal for Westerosi. In the books Robb Stark talks to his mom about how he hasn’t gotten his wife pregnant yet.
I'd have lost it if we heard her yell off screen at the end "and stop doing that out the window!"
How did I notice “The Rains of Castamere” the first time I watched this? I guess it kinda fits the whole “wipe out an entire family” theme
Don't do that. These people could never..
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Except it's a song that doesn't exist yet in the time of this show
@@b.b.s7545 I know that. But it’s not like it’s being played in the scene itself, like it was at the red wedding. It’s purely for the audience rather than the characters
@@BIastwave. I believe Reins of Castamere is playing because (spoiler alert) the Lannisters side with the Greens later on
Its only in this video, not in the actual scene
Alicent in Season 2: I wonder why my sons so cruel and sociopaths 😭
Alicent in Season 1:
Aegon is no sociopath. Just very unhappy young man chased by everyone and changed by his trauma.
Aegon and Aemond aren't sociopaths. They have a sense of family loyalty which the show doesn't show.
Knowing the world of ASOIAF, Alicent does have a point.
Same with real life royalty to be honest. If there's a firstborn son of a king kicking around, they're probably going to die. Like the Princes in the Tower.
nyra would never do that. this is alicent speaking from pure paranoia from being brainwashed by her father.
@@s_.777yeah she had daemon killed vaemond and fed to her dragon.she has three half brothers who have a better claim than her acc to westerosi laws and customs.plus she wants to put her bastards in the line of succession, can she really do that while her half brothers live, while their claim is way stronger than her strong sons.just by existing the sons of alicent are a threat to her and daemon, any grasping lord in his greed might try to assasinate rhaenyra and her one of her sons just like tywin did when he killed aegon and rhaenys.
@@s_.777 yes she would lol.
She wanted a young Aemond to be "sharply questioned" (meaning tortured) after one of her bastards attempted to murder him. And then she wants the same bastard who commited the attempted kinslaying in line for the throne?
Lords will object to that and people will challenge her claim no matter what. Whether Aegon and the Hightowers challenge her claim or not.
Of course she does. With three living sons of the king, rhaenyra's claim would be challenged as long as they're alive
I'm so sick of the Team Black cope saying Rhaenyra only wants his head now that he did usurp her throne. No, Alicent is correct in the scene the very fact that he exists undermines Rhaenyra and her bastard.
Rhaenyra literally said she wanted Aemond (a literal child who had just been mutilated) to be tortured and accused him of treason. She lined up literal children to be burned by Vermithor to get dragon riders for her war. Moreover, Rhaenyra was favoured like Viserys' Golden Child and he never protected the Greens (like Aegon) from her or her kids. She stole Driftmark from it's rightful heirs, whose to say she wouldn't be willing to kill to secure her claim?
That fact aside, Daemon has proved he often acts without her consent killing people and he's utterly sociopathic. Even the people by her side pose a danger.
@@lordfreerealestate8302you clearly didnt understand that scene. Rhaenyra said that she wants Aemond tortured just to make Alicent expose herself, which she did
Rhaenyra looks weak now by picking Aegon to be beheaded in public. Aemond and daeron are next in line and have dragons. She only chose Aegon because he is now crippled and can't defend himself.
Olivia Cookes acting is just phenomenal
and then you have people acting like aegon plotted to sit the throne, he never wanted the throne, he was forced by the men of the realm to wear the crown, by the society around him, forced to a role based on his gender.
Great job adding the light of the seven music in the background but every subtly.
thanks ! finally someone noticed.
I've seen people compare Alicent to Cersei, since they're both villains and both Queens, but I don't think they have much in common, apart from wanting to see their sons ascend the throne. Cersei is more on the sinister side of bad, white Alicent is more on the fanatical side of bad. Also, I don't think Alicent enjoys inflicting pain on others as much as Cersei does.
Alicent doesn't enjoy inflicitng pain period, it sickens her. She is only driven by anxiety and paranoia not sadism or cruelty like Cersei. Yet she will commit the same levels of atrocity or worse, she will go to any lengths because the "game" has unhinged her.
In my mind she is more relatable and honestly maybe more terrifying than Cersei. She is a normal woman whose psyche was irrepairably damaged by the horrible politicking her father thrust her in, and now she is perpetuating the cycle of violence and schemes
Not yet but the way her character is going, I wouldn't be shocked if she started to enjoy punishing those against her
Rhanerya is the villain in the Dance of Dragons lmao. Look it up
Alicent is not a villain
It may seem like Alicent is paranoid that Rhaenyra may kill her kids to protect her own claim, but Rhaenyra did demand that Aemond, who had just lost an eye at Rhaenyra's son's hand, be strongly questioned, which implies torture
Both Rhaenyra and Alicent have a darkness to them that comes out occasionally, but only Rhaenyra's is ignored for the most part
True, but that was only AFTER Aemond called her children bastards, which puts their lives at risk, and got into a physical altercation with them where Aemond tried to hit one of the with a rock.
Plus, I think after dealing with Alicent's bullshit for 10 years, this was the straw that broke the camel's back for Rhaenerya.
@@shannonrichardson5129
All of that precisely proves Rhaenyra would actually have ended up killing her half-brothers (and maybe even her half-sister) in order to protect her children. Alicent is right.
Um.. no Alicent created that incident by turning her own sons against Rhaenyra's. Had she properly raised them this shit wouldn't have happened. Alicent created most of her problems. The rest is mostly her father's fault.
After Aemond threw the first punch and made the threats he was going to kill them. That’s why the knife was drawn and he lost his eye
I think your reading into things, I think she simply wanted to know who told him of their kids parentage I don’t think she’d hurt a boy to get that knowledge, besides Rhaenyra already knows just needs confirmation as to hold whisperre such things I think DAEMON might’ve killed aemon or hurt him on her behalf but rhaenyra isn’t violent or confrontational like that I mean when did u ever see her have someone murdered interrogated & killed all of her own whim & secrecy ??
Alicent is very good and complex character.
"You are the challenge, you are the challenge Aegon, simply by living and breathing." said Alicent calmly. :))))
And his sister wouldn’t have even thought of doing that smh. Curse the Hightowers who really messed everything up smh
She would. She is pretty stupid and incompetent just like her father. Would have made a pretty cruel queen.
now she acts like a saint in front of rhaenera, says that she only supported aegon's ascension because she misheard her father even though she was planning it since they were children. she was always a hypocrite but the way show is making her a damsel who had no control is awful approach.
Alicent is protective to her children, she had no interest when heleana is taking about her bugs. It seems like shes just talking to her but so bored and so disinterest with it. She protects aemond, because he had no dragon thus subject for bullying. She also blind sighted because she knows its aegon who actually makes fun of aemond, yet she convince herself that its rhaenyra's sons.
Jace and Luke also laughed at Aemond too and they also knew of the prank beforehand. They had a part to play; it wasn’t just Aegon who pulled it.
@@garlantyrell6368 we all know whose idea it must ahve been. But no outrage for Aegon? Why would there be as there is none for many of his crimes.
@@garlantyrell6368Alicent cleverly left out the part where Aegon too teased Aemond and blamed Jace and Luke to Viserys. Viserys of course knew better and pointed out how Aegon would've been the mastermind behind such pranks.
And here u can see how Alicent is poisoning Aegon's mind and trying to turn him against his sister and nephews. So no wonder Aemond felt the same and had this superiority complex.
Such good acting
Who else heard the 'Reigns of Castemere' playing at the end?
Rhaenyra lied to her before on her mothers grave considering how religious Alicent is what makes her think she wouldn’t lie again saying she wouldn’t harm her children? She has all rights to prepare her children for what’s to come
Actually Rhaenyra didn't lie because Alicent's accusations was Rhaneyra sleeping with Daemon, which she didn't do, she slept with ser Criston Cole, so Rhaenyra wasn't lying when she said she didn't sleep with Daemon. Also Alicent is venting all her pent up anger for being force to marry an old man by her father unjustly on Rhaenyra and she's jealous because Rhaenyra get to do what she wants, so she's spiteful towards her because she doesn't have that kind of freedom. Reality is she wants to have what Rhaenyra has. The throne, the power, the freedom, everything. Afterall green is not just the color of the Hightower's banner in war, but also the color of greed and jealousy.
@@kerol5905 Well, that's only not lying if you don't believe in "lie by omission". It's flimsy.
@@kerol5905 No, Rhaenyra swore on the memory of her mother that Daemon never touched her...which is not true. Alicent later mentioned to Viserys that Rhaenyra had said that she was still a maiden...which was also not true.
I am sure envy of Rhaenyra's freedom and resentment for having to marry Viserys are part of why Alicent is acting this way but from her perspective she also has no real reason to believe her about anything anymore.
@@Regenmacher175 You have to think of Rhaenyra’s character so far. She is not a monster and would not hurt her siblings. Alicent on her own accord said Rhaenyra was still a maiden, even though she didn’t say she was. She swore that Daemon never “touched” her. Touch in this aspect probably means intercourse, which they didn’t have.
Is R perfect? Not at all. Alicent’s fears are valid but Rhaenrya is offering good solutions and Alicent is saying no.
@@kazzlie4510 I agree that Alicent should have accepted Rhaenyra's olive branch but the problem is she can no longer be convinced that Rhaenyra is not a snake. They're at an impasse.
0:34 why is the Lannister theme playing here lol
Do you really want to know?
SPOILERS
Alicent’s ENTIRE Targaryen bloodline is wiped out after the war ends and the dust settles.
Alicent dies of a fever the same year her last descendant dies, little Queen Jaehaera.
lol i was wondering that as well?? it's weird, maybe the youtube account that posted this clip added it
@@asoiaf__yes and what does that have to do with the rains of castamere playing
Aegon looks like he would fit perfectly in Euphoria
Interesting that a remix of Rains of Castamere (House Lannister's theme song) is playing the background. Could be foreshadowing that Alicent's plotting is fated to doom herself and her house just like the lord of Castamere did with his.
The foreshadowing omggg
No because the music does not play in the official episode, it was added for this video.
Alicent is right honestly
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Considering Viserys would let Rhaenyra get away with high treason, and Daemon killed his first wife just cause he wanted, and then seemingly Laenor as well...
Is Alicent wrong? What's stopping Daemon from going after her kids, one by one, in some "accident" or another?.
Of course Alicent is right.
Viserys also let alicent get away with high treason by attacking and drawing blood from his heir. Alicent protects criston cole who has murdered people just cos he goes batshit and also protects larys when he murders his own father and brother even tho in thisbuniverse kinslaying is viewed as an abomination
Viserys let many people get away with a lot of shit. That includes Alicent as well. Don't pretend it is not.
@@happilyevernever4289 Viserys is just a weak king, everyone get away with everything
They should have chosen Rhaenys and her son Laenor
I feel bad for Aegon, sure he's childish and acts kind of jerky, but he's just a child in a mans body. He has no want for power or the throne, he just wants to enjoy his life. His mother is pushing him to do something he does not want. She is straight up nuts, she thinks Rhaenyra is planning her sons death at every waking moment. I thought Aegon was going to be Jofferey level of narcist, he has bad qualities sure, but I think he has a childs mind, I could see him doing some bad stuff later on, but so far he is a lot more tame than I thought he was going to be.
It is funny that the Targaryen want to multiply as much as possible to spread their Valyrian blood and not to mention that they practice incest and linebreeding to diversify the genepool while retaining Valyrian traits. Killing kins is the last thing on rhaenyra mind
Exaxtly. He's pushed into what he becomes later.
Aemond? Alicent should've swallowed that one.
@@janellejulianajoy I feel you, I can see it in his eyes the way he looks at the world. When he went to find the dragons and I saw him looking at the dragon like he ready to mess people up. He look like he would burn down a whole city and not blink an eye.
@@canococentral1159 The dragon gave him confidence that he needed , but, it changes him. He becomes a force to be reckoned with as a fighter, now, add being a rider to the largest and fiercest dragon alive. Not to mention, he gains this with using only one eye.
You can't tell him shit. He's Joffrey on crack. He can personally back up his threats.
Hes not even in a mans body, hes like 13
Rains of castamere in the background gives me chills....
I love the Rains of Castamere, But they shouldn’t placed here , since the event happened after and it was made for the Lannisters
@@TM-qf6vl I think it was to mirror the similarities in both of the families
Even if he didn't challenge the situation is complicated, many will accept her as their Queen but people can't just abandoned the way they lived for a hundreds pf years, the realm will never fully accept a women as a ruler especially if their is a male rightful heir, so as long as Aegon lives its clear that his life will be in danger. What Alicent did doesn't matter, Otto and the council were gonna made Aegon king anyway, her words about Viserys only work for her, it was the thing she tell herself to made herself feel better about the situation, none of the council actually think Viserys said those words.
She is a lot like Cersei in that all her decision making is poisoned by a prophetic threat to her children.
I’m sorry but anyone who knows anything about the history of Kings and Queens in Europe, knows that Rhaenyra would definitely execute Aegon, Aemond and Daeron.
She would have no choice.
Knowing her character, she wouldn’t do it as soon as she became Queen. But as long as her brothers (and their children) lived there would be Lords rebelling against her to put one of them on the throne.
If you want to wear the crown and hold onto it, you have to be ruthless, and you can’t have people with better claims readily available to replace you.
You got this, Aegon! You are half Time Lord, after all.
3/4 Time Lord, his mother is half Time Lord haha
@@colemacgrath2005 Good point hahaha
His parents are Alicent and Viserys?
@@woahseph2237The actor who plays young Aegon is the son of David Tennant, who played The Doctor in Doctor Who. Hence, the timelord bit.
Gotta consider the medieval context where some of the possibilities she's paranoid about are likely. Lingering conflicting claims always cause problems. Sure Aegon is unwilling but what if his brothers or any of their descendants aren't? They look at the precedents of the past and say they are the true kings? Just by existing they are a rally point for all of the discontented. Rhaenyra would be stupid not to deal with 3 siblings who arguably have a better claim, and if she can't see it then those who invested in her (her supporters) will, especially because the unprecedented nature of her claim and the illegitimacy of her children. Her siblings definitely have a better claim than her bastards and if she wants to protect her frauds she should remove the legitimate claimants. Unwilling Aegon here can't really walk out of this because half the realm thinks he's the true king simply by existing and that's the threat.
Did they really put The Rains of Castamere here 0:55 wow.
A lot of people are saying Rhaeynyra likely won't kill Aegon but I can see why the Hightowers are so fearful of it. Primarily, they feel uncertain about what type of ruler Rhaenyra would be if she claimed the throne with the rumours floating around about her bastard sons. It's interesting how viewers will try to argue in Rhaenyra's favour saying that she won't likely take that path but if we were all in Alicent's position, how can you be sure? And if you can't be sure, wouldn't you try to secure your own power and position rather than (as Otto said) bank on the fact that Rhaenyra won't execute your children? It's clear that the Hightowers are acting based on their fear (and yes, better decisions could have been made, as always with anything) but it's understandable nonetheless.
Btw, Rhaenyra ends up being a really terrible queen for the brief period she rules.
@@SDG.12 Yeah cuz everything had already gone to sh*t and she was mentally broken after losing two sons by then.
@@BleedingGrafitti would have made a terrible queen regardless. Passing those two bastards are Targaryens, she basically ensured someone will question their claim no matter what happens. She's lucky Viserys I is incompetent and has favoritism.
we're not viewing from alicent's perspective you moron
@@SDG.12 Unless the writers decide to cut it out ... like they've softened so much else. Rhaenyra has exhibited malicious tendencies (like wanting a child tortured) and deeply manipulative tendencies. She also surrounded herself with Daemon and Rhaenys, who have killed innocent people before and are very dangerous/unpredictable. But the poster above is right in saying she's a wild card ... and the Greens would be gambling their very LIVES on whether or not she'd be willing to show mercy to family members she doesn't even really like.
What's so dumb is that vicerys was convinced to marry again to "strengthen his line and produce more heirs". Doing so actually killed his heirs and weakened his line. Would have been so much better off just leaving things alone. And rhaenyra would never have killed her brothers. She was not the scheming one.
Or marry Laena Velaryon. Or at the very least, even after Aegon's birth. Publically affirm Rhaenyra's position as heir.
@@philippeblais8594 @philippeblais8594 what I find very unrealistic is that he didn't make any legal move to formally make her his heir. Because this is modeled on medieval Europe and that's what they would do. Kings were obsessed with who would be their heir. And they had these major legal documents and proceedings which made it very very clear who would be their heir so that if they should die suddenly exactly such a situation as this would be avoided.
It reminds me of the whole tumult regarding an heir to Edward vi, son of Henry VIII
He drew up a document naming lady Jane grey as his heir.
It didn't help though, as it was contested and they killed poor Jane, who had never pushed to be queen anyway...
I didn’t expect the Lannister theme song to be so well-suited for this scene…
I used to feel sorry for her in the first episodes but after seeing what she did to Rhaenyra after giving birth and seeing her trying to manipulate Aegon and Viserys into her favour not anymore. Both alicent and criston cole characters went to 🗑 during this episode.
I've never like her or her father, they are willing to destroy a family to fullfil their ambition. Her children are awful as well. Never understand what is her problem with Rhaenyra, like she was an example of vitude. I guess she forgot about Daemon.
@@Emy-fv5ny What about Daemon?
@@jayashreedas4497 SPOILER
It is rumour that Otto Hightower hates Daemon because he took Alicent's maidenhood and also that she might still be in love with him. So this one criticizing Rhaenyra is a joke. I don't know if the show will ever talk about that.
@@Emy-fv5ny Not all of her children are awful. Helaena and Daeron were quite lovely people.
@@Emy-fv5ny we will see more of what Older Rhaenyra is capable of later this season. Im just gonna wait for now on how the show would handle it when she will face a certain opponent
I feel so bad for Aegon, he was manipulated
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By that logic, all humans are manipulated. Whats ur point
I don't think that she was trying to be manipulative. I think she really believed what she was saying because of otto's manipulation.
She's not wrong, he is a challenge to Rhaenyra by existing. Even if Rhaenyra is not cruel, and Aegon does not pursue the throne, others may take action on his or her behalf that will put his life at risk
spitting harsh truth to someone who doesnt realize what he is gonna be into isnt manupilation lol
Well done with the music!!
People call her paranoid, but she had a point. If their deaths weren’t ordered by rhaenyra, they definitely would have been ordered by daemon.
100% Not true.
Alicent planted seeds of mistrust in Aegon because Otto did the same with her. Lack of trust and faith in Rhaenyra and the king's word is why she is telling Aegon this. To think that Rhaenyra or Daemon would kill Aemond and Aegon just to ensure Rhaenyra has no potential challengers is actually... paranoid thinking.
Or by any of Rhaenyra's supporters.
@@in_vas_por8810 Actually there was a real threat of that. As long as Aegon was alive there would be those who would say he is king since he was Viserys oldest son. They would commit acts of rebellion in his name, whether he condoned it or not and Rhaenyra would eventually have no choice but to kill him, his brothers and sons.
@@kca3346 "those people" would've been nobodies. Because all the lords of Westeros swore to Rhaenyra as rightful heir to the throne.
@@TJ-fe7rr Those oaths went out the window the second Aegon was born. Those lords are the same people that voted for Viserys to be king over Rhaenys. They'd prefer an incompetent man with no dragon over a formidable woman who had the fastest dragon and 4th largest dragon at the time.
Alicent was right, Rhaenyra is a threat to Aegon, Aemond, Daeron and Helaena.
Is that rains of castamere ?? Holy mole 🎉
Yeah this scene definitely hits different with the music you added. Nice edit
Westeros: A continent of Sideshow Bobs stepping on rakes as they plot to kill each other, played out over decades.
My heart always ache's when I remember Aegon never even wanted the crown. It hurts seeing how Alicent planted the same idea's into her son's head that her father planted into her's. Generational trauma at it's finest
Damn, what happened to this show?
The writers tried to turn Rhaenyra into a sainted Girlboss while villifying the Greens. Then, they lost all cohesion and direction and good interpretation of the source material in a fiasco so bad even GRRM himself released a statement saying they screwed up.
And she betrayed him 😢😢
Rhaenyra was never the danger of her siblings: turns out it was their mother.
@@garlantyrell6368nah, she was also the danger
Alicent was right, though. In order to secure her claim, Rhaenyra would have to put her half-siblings and their offspring to the sword, even if she didn’t want to do it. Robert didn’t want to slay the remaining Lannister children so he left it to Tywin. If Rhaenyra couldn’t stomach it, Daemon would have leaped for the chance.
No, she wouldn't. Who would make her? She's Queen. As long as they stayed in their lane, she wouldn't bother them.
@@janellejulianajoyhistorical precedent as well as the whole blackfyre rebellions contradict this. Even Robert Baratheon (aswell as Tywin) as the other guy mentioned knew that should Rhaegar's children remain alive there would always be a challange to his throne which is why Tywin had them killed and Robert didn't punish him, he also sent Stannis to dragonstone to capture Viserys and Daenerys. Maegor became king exactly because of what you said wouldn't happen. I swr ppl are naive to the realities of medieval politics.
I don't think Alicent is wrong here. People forget that Rhaenyra being heir is literally against the law and customers of Westeros and as Daemon said you have to take into account what the people think. They wouldn't just let Rhaenyra be queen without pushing back
Then there's the argument that Rhaenyra wanted to end the fighting by betrothing her son to Alicents daughter with Alicent refusing. But Alicent was already convinced that Rhaenyras kids were illegitimate and had no right to claim the throne. Just like her father, she's just playing the game based on the time and place she's in
I’m only now hearing Rains of castamere in the background
Rhaneyra wouldn’t have killed her half siblings but that changed the moment aegon was crowned
And the one-eyed monster killed her son.
@@janellejulianajoycry for it
@@janellejulianajoy The green eyed monster
@@hhhjjhbbbvhvccjjvuitryhcdfh?
The one who's gonna cry is Aemond when Daemon stabs his tacky saphire and murders his pretentioous ass.
She will have. Because she is a woman and not ever before has a woman inherit ahead of males in the realm not to mention her sons are bastards and her descendants would be Velaryons not Targaryens (surname is inherited by your father). On top of it all, no matter who opposed her (all kings and queens have oppositors or people displeased) her brothers would be used as a treat to depose her and put them instead. They will be a constant threat to her power. 3 male brothers! All with desires to also be made Kings because why would they have to have a female ruler when in the past males inherited ahead of them? So once she executed them they would no longer cause a threat to her own claim and people liking her or not would have to stick with her (unless she really messes things up and her son or another dynasty is put in place).
Its a matter of how not really if she would have done it. Same happened to Mary Tudor (who didnt but should haved killed Elizabeth I) and to Elizabeth with Mary Queen of Scots, only one can remain.
Can't she notice that the boy doesn't have ambition to be a king? Just look at his face when she is saying: "one day you will be a king...
Of course she notices that. The point is that him becoming king is his (and his brothers') only chance to survive.
@@libiusperseus then why didn't they make a king the more capable brother but him
@@min_min02
Because Aegon is the eldest son, meaning the legitimate heir. Aemond has no way to claim the throne as long as Aegon is alive.
@@libiusperseus then they had to invest more in him so he can be at least a little bit capable to rule. Still their fault
i ddint even realize that the rendition of “Rains of Castamere” (House Lannsister’s theme) was being played at the end of this scene! Really comes to show the similarities of Alicent and Cersei’s political paranoia to a point where they both try to manipulate their children in attempt to bring themselves into power.
it wasn’t
the uploader added it
@@gericoleman oh LOL, well i still stand by my point
Came back to watch this scene after watching Alicent gaslight and ridicule Aegon for being a bad king in the most recent episode.
Bro how dare she speak to him like that after forcing him on the throne, he literally ran away the day of coronation
I don't think that she was trying to be manipulative. I think she really believed what she was saying because of otto's manipulation.
What manipulation ? Both Otto and Alicent simply say the truth.
She is manipulative tho. Whatever happened to her sons is because of her own doing.
why is it playing the rains of castamere on the background?
That's my king and all ya'll will cope and seethe.
"you are nearly a man grown" she says to a thirteen-year-old
Well in westeros he is
@@AdvicewithAviana Interestingly, Alicent was made to have kids for Viserys when she wasn't much older than Aegon is here. By shaming Aegon for not living up to his culturally-imposed role at an unreasonably young age, she's repeating the societal abuse levied against her. She's a victim of the system, and she's failing to break the cycle for Aegon.
Olivia Cooke deserves her flowers for her performance. Hope to god the Emmy's wake up and realize that Emma D Arcy isn't the only one on the show.
Now if they has fostered close relationships and loyalty in that family there would be no problems
The music has a little of The Night King vibe.
Well how daemon send mercenary and rhaenyra put bounty on the head of her grandchildren, i wouldn't doubt alicent pov about rhaenyra cruelty.
Why is Rains of Castamere playing in the background?🤣🤣
Alicent reminded me of Cersei so i added it there c:
@@divinehate understandable
she made her children the way they are and now she says want to be free, what a joke ¬¬¬¬
Why Alicent didn’t mention Daeron in this scene is always funny lol 😆
Why play the Rains of Castamere as the soundtrack for this scene, when it is the Lannister theme? 🤔
It's not there in the show
Wait ,the lannister theme is playing 😂
I think she’s the challenge lol
Alicent’s fear is not that irrational considering how Rhaenyra wanted to have Aemond tortured for calling her kids bastards.
Yeah I hate how people ignore that and just call alicent crazy
She never wanted to have him tortured, just questioned. There's a huge difference, but perhaps you spoilt brats won't understand it.
@@fortheloveofcats2462 that's an unnecessary rude comment imo. But anyway, in the books "sharply questioned" is a pretty way to say 'torture' and was used several times in that context.
@@fortheloveofcats2462 spoiled*
You disgust me
Facts
Olivia Cooke acts her ass off like no other oh my goodness
Is it just me? Or does alicent somehow reminds me of Helen Bohem Carter
Ughhh i LOVE her ACTING!!!✨♥️
And rayns of castemere is playing backround
anyone notice the reynes of castemere playing? Marvelous
It's really funny how people see rhaenyra as some revolutionary feminist and alicent as an evil stepmother, even though they're not not.Both parties didn't have any option other than either be killed or kill. There are only two option available for peace between green and black:-
1) marriage between rhaenyra and aegon.
2) no second marriage of viserys.
This is sad, but unfortunately, a logical path for her.
If Rhaenyra remained sincere with Alicent regarding Criston Cole, I believe she would still listen to Rhaenyra more than Otto, thus not believing a word from him regarding Rhaenyra as a bloodbath queen.
And now, Alicent is trying to influence her son like Otto with her.
That's what I like about GoT. Everyone has pretty much paved the path to this direction.
You make no sense. Did alicent tell nyra, yeah I'm seducing ya dad. No she didn't. If I'm not cool with you, why would i tell you my secrets.
@@yakiralovesall This is why i said "If". Rhaenyra had the right to ignore Alicent, which is fine in a normal setting. (Fire with fire)
But here, it's a royal court. Every connections matter, because it has an impact on the way a place is managed.
@@nasmatique oh I understand what you mean now. Makes sense
Does anyone notice the rains of castamere playing in the background or is that just me?
why are they playing the Lannister theme song in the background?
Alicent did her best to make sure the hatred between her sons and Rhaeynera grow up while they were accepting that she is the heir to the throne
I mean she's right. Rhaenyra prob wouldn't kill them but Daemon most definitely will.
Is that the rains of castamere in the back? Or was it added?
The casting in this show is confusing at times. This guy looks more like Aemond than Aegon.
The are opposite of Cersei and Joffrey
Joffrey is Cercei fav child Alicent hate Aegon the most
When Cercei ask Joffrey to do something he does it in a opposite way or ignore her while Aegon is doing what Alicent tell him or at least he is trying too hard
Cersei is trying stop Joffrey from being too cruel Alicent is pushing Aegon to be more cruel
Cercei slaps Joffrey he threatened her to kill her When Alicent slapped Aegon he was hurt and almost cry
Cercei gave gave Joffrey the most love out of all her children spoiling him Aegon got the least love from Alicent
does anyone recognize that the background music is the Rains of Castamere.