Assessing The Damage On Wago's Engine! (It's Bad)
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Brent is totally right on what happened to Wago !!!
Yup didnt seem like much happened so it must have happened quick. If it was the valve prob would have been able to hear carnage more. Water killed the metal sounds or it just broke the piston and valve instantly.
I've never seen a dropped valve make a piston dissapear, in any engine ever. Perhaps it's happened, but often times the engine will still run with a horrible clatter of the valve head beating the piston top and combustion chamber to death. That's all I've ever personally seen from dropped valves alone. Took some serious pressure to bend that rod, and even if the valve caused the piston to dig into the sleeve and shatter, the rod wouldn't have been under the stress to bend. It would have shattered the piston too fast to bend. Trying to compress water...that'll bend a rod fast.
Brent is right 100% I test engines for a living and I can tell you that it cracked a sleve, forced water into the cylinder, bent a rod, pushed this piston into the side of the cylinder breaking the piston, then the bits of piston went flying around into the opening and closing valves breaking that intake valve, a bit of piston probably got stuck behind that valve then when it tried to close it pulled it apart.
Defiantly not dropping a valve for sure. That has happens loads of times and all it does is mess up the head and top of the piston, it doesn't bend a rod, crack a sleve and shatter a piston.
chris critchley but how much pressure is the coolant really under tho, like 30psi? Looks like everyone thinks it hydrolocked first but I just can’t imagine that much water getting in on one individual stroke when the motors at like 8k rpm
@@ghettobikelife8833 you really don't need alot of water for it to hydrolock. These stock honda engine are quite high compression and the volume when the piston is at top dead centre is very small, maby around 40ml. So if more than 40ml of water got in then it completely fills the cylinder when at TDC. Also a used, previously turbocharged engine is probably going to experience a fair amount of blow by, so as soon as it cracks the sleve pressurised water pushes water in whilst there is no pressure in the cylinder, either exhaust or intake stroke and boom, bends a rod. Piston gets pushed into the cylinder wall and the rest follows.
@@ghettobikelife8833 I agree. The coolant pressure is probably less than 15 psi, while the boost pressure is twice that.
No, you are completely wrong with this. Dropped the valve and piston hitting it breaks the sleeve and then the rest is history. As you can hear in the video when this happened, James over revved the engine during she shift (watch is with 0,5x speed) plus he is a complete disaster how he handles that car, shifts etc. No wonder a clown like that breaks an engine when he even cant use it properly.
agreed, this is far too much damage to be from a dropped valve alone. if this were a dropped valve due to overrev, you'd see signs of valve float from the other valves as well.
I always love how positive Brent is. It must be nice working with / around him.
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Brent is right. The hydrolock was first. You cracked the sleeve Kyle. You knew you probably would with that much power on a stock engine.
Did it overboost because of the additional passenger load?
A boost spike in first might be so fast you didn't even notice.
Props to james for ripping it right!
Hydro lock Brent nails it again
Yup water is non compressible.
I have turned wenches for over 30 years and seen this alot Brent was right
Had it happened to my eg
Agree
That is correct
I have to go with Brent on this one, if it cracked the sleeve and pushed a wall of coolant at the open value it would smack that sucker like a brick wall, crack the value and push it into it's seat sealing the cylinder before top dead center and it hydrolocked, bending the rod and destroying the piston from the subsequent debris.
95TurboSol like a docta 🥼
If the coolant got sucked in through a crack, wouldn't it just go back out and/or make the crack bigger?
@@peejay1981 No, the piston is moving so fast - it wouldnt have been able to push all the coolant out back through the crack... i also agree with brent, to much load, too much boost, cracked the sleeve, coolant entered, piston hit it like a ton of bricks, bend the rod, broke the valve, which all ended up demolishing the piston. As brent said, a valve woudnt bend a rod - it would just dent the hell out of the head and piston top - and a valve being forced sideways to break the sleeve - I dont see it.
Paul Jones if the piston had been forged instead of cast it possibly would have but since the piston was the weaker link it just exploded when the water started to “try” to compress.
I had basically the same damage from a stuck 120# injector on an LS engine, except my rod broke in half too
Brent's theory makes the most sense to me.. #teambrent
dont argue with Brent you know he is right
DUNWORX doesn’t make sense
@@wendellgreenidge3362 Do you think it dropped a valve or somthing
I think the sleeve did crack but I don’t think it hydro locked because I’ve seen plenty of engines hydro lock and none caused a valve to break. If the sleeve cracked first then water came into the cylinder then when the piston tried to compress it then the water would have went right back the way it came. I think when the sleeve cracked something else came loose(more than likely a chunk of the piston) and broke the valve off and messed up everything
@@wendellgreenidge3362 hi Wendell thank you for the reply. i can see where your coming from but i find it hard to see a broken valve cracking the sleeve like that.I know it dropped a valve but it actually broke the valve stem.i still think boost burst the liner ,hydro locked water went everywhere inc the crack where it came from but also flooding the cylinder and getting behind the valve which stopped it closing. the clue is the broken valve.
DUNWORX I never said it was a dropped valve that caused all this damage. I said I feel the cylinder sleeve cracked from boost or the piston failed causing the crack in the sleeve and then damaged the valve
100% Brent's theory.
Sleeve cracked, coolant filled the cylinder, bent the rod and cracked the piston, valve was a casualty.
Water just couldn't get out of the way fast enough. If there is too much water in a cylinder, even trying to start the engine will bend a rod.
My issue with this is that there are hundreds of dents in the head from the valve. If the rod bent and cracked the piston, it wouldnt leave that many nicks in the head. But i guess it depends on how the piston fell apart.... it couldve cracked, taken the valve out, and not fully disentigrated into the pan long enough for the valve to do what it did to the head.
who knows! there's really no way to tell exactly.
@@sirbow2 Also wouldn't the force of combustion force all the water out of the engine? I've seen motors with cracked sleeves run for a while.
nah for sure the thin ass valve bent the rod which is way thiccer
Explain how the vavle broke please.
@@mmodtomic7119 when the piston was trying to go up since water cant be compressed it pushed the valve up and snapped it. what i said may not make sence to you but it does in my head so im going with it
I'd like to hear Phong's opinion too
I second this.
That's literally the first thing I thought. Him and Brent are masters at there craft. Phong is a mad scientist when it comes to Honda's. That all motor he's got is ridiculous
I agree , ask phong
Ask pong!!
I just want to see what cool piece of art he turns the broken block into
James = The Hondanator. I need your clothes, your boots and your Honda! 😂😂😂
This is gold👌😂😂😂😂😂😂
SupremeVids - lmao!!
James!! What did you do!!
“Talk to the Hand” 🤚🏼
@@DrtyBrd_5.0 dont put up a emoji hand....you just made shit awkward for the people who gotta scroll down and see that shit....u cant put a James joke in same comment as another it unethical and inhumane
James is the final boss.
Brent seems to be the most correct based on the actual cycle of the engine, cause and affect to how the engine blew up.... Brent +1
James was just being james..... stock engine with that kind of boost is uncharted waters above 500hp
450 500 is fine for stock. After that internals for sure need upgraded and those k sleeves are good for 600
Rule of thumb with stock k's has been dont go over twice stock hp with boost so if the motor does 220 dont go past 440 and this is just for dependability. Have ran a stock a2 on 20lbs boost smaller turbo doing 46x hp and its ran over 120k miles now.
k20aef8 I’ve got a fully built k20a2 bottom end in my 06
@@slammed-06.type_ss84 yeah they can but I didnt want to blow up my crx so shes happy summer daily at 460, now the ep3 I'm building that's a whole different story. K24a2 being fully built, my biggest problem right now is getting the drivetrain from a honda swift aka the 4 door ep3 its awd... so just a little teaser.
k20aef8 460 is ideal for daily. 500 it can hold it but after you start to get into the i hope she don’t blow. Slick k sleeves can hold 6 but at that point rods and pistons is basically necessary for rods and pistons and such
I have seen a Honda hydrolock before and the result was almost the EXACT same as the damage to the Wago motor...
Boosted boys quickly turned into American chopper at the end lol
😂😂😂😂
LMFAO! however that said, that was 25% because they didn't start yelling and throwing chairs at eachother or slamming doors and shit! They need to go full send next time
"I'll tell you another thing pop.."
"Yea? Yea? Shut up Mikey.."
This comment is gold!!
no thrown chairs
Seeing brent and that guy argue what happened is funny as heck and entertaining I love it lol.
Hearing you guys argue over how you think it blew up was beautiful 😂
*Piston has left the chat*
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Good one haha
Odddball gone lol
100 percent agree with brent. Best video on kyles channel for sure. Love tje tech stuff and this is 90 percent of what guys on a budget deal with. Identifying weak points and what was the cuase. The last part of the vid was the best. Watching people take engines apart on a timelapse with music is useless lol
the coolest part of the video was the diagnosis from everyone. What I admire the most about Brett is that his explanation of the unfolding of events is fact based. The guy knows his shit.
Brents right hydro damage all the way!
PLZ let PEDRO make that wago smoooooth as a babys bottom
He says "I'll let him drive it blow it up again" I can't even get my boi to let me go to the liquor store 😂😂
So no one thought to drain the oil before removing the engine?
right!?
It was pretty obvious when they pulled the plug it was done why waste the time
@@adambergeron6991 So you don't end up with 4 quarts of oil on your floor.
Emilio plays pool competitively? cool!
To show you the power of flex tape I cracked this sleeve in half!
A lot a damage...
Brent's right full stop
You & Emilio are such a chill dude!! Great team work
Hydro lock. For sure
No water in oil tho
Engine stopped before had a chance to mix in won’t take much water to do that
It broke
Hey the other fucking idiot is dumb for arguing with brent
Agree. Cracked sleeve was pretty clean at the crack. Not like it was cracked from a piston smashing it. Looks like it build so much pressure it blew out just like a busted condom. LOL
Love this episode, think James blowing it up was worth this content lol. Getting a debate/analysis of the incident from a bunch of experts is priceless. At least to me and many others who aren’t around it often if ever.
the delegation of damage is hilarious!! all of you guys are awesome debating over the dead engine lol.
Love the time-lapse! You guys should do more of them when you are doing general stuff as it seems less intensive filming wise. Love your vids!
14:45
When you chillin with the boys and that cola kick in hard
And salmiakki
Brent's 100% right on the hydrlock. The crack is in the cumbustion zone and it could've cylinder walked without a block guard too. Aluminum pistons wont crack steel sleeves! just like jet fuel can't melt them!
@Marty Fisher That is very possible too. Not very common in stock Honda engines so much. People boost them without opening them up all the time, without issue. On something like an LS I've heard of piston rings being too tight for boost and it's more common than Honda. Hondas weak points are IMO the rods, sleeves then poisons. Regardless of how though, the cracked sleeve caused the failure. Probably even stopped the valve from closing making it snap. 😕 they could probably look for water in the intake port of that cylinder to confirm. If it's not completely full of everything else that flew around in there xD
@Mad Adam like they said "what came first? The chicken or the egg?" If the cylinder moved, the sleeve let go under the extra load or a hung up valve hard to tell with all that carnage. The was the crack on the sleeve is from bigger from top to bottom suggests that's where it started. Right next to where the block guards fill in too 😄
@Mad Adam haha well not warming up a car before ripping on it is always going to end in a bad time. Especially when it's boosted. You think that's a pretty new mistake for the boostedboiz ☺️ I don't think James ripping it into second was any worse than what Kyle or cleetus would have done to it! But it just so happened to let go while he was driving I think bad luck of the draw haha
@Mad Adam I agree as well. it could have been basically a perfect storm of things. All-wheel drive puts on different loads than a spinning front wheel drive ☺️ haha well not warming up a car before ripping on it is always going to end in a bad time. Especially when it's boosted. You think that's a pretty new mistake for the boostedboiz ☺️ If it wasn't ready to rip Kyle should've has let him in it yet so that's on him LOL I don't think James ripping it into second was any worse than what Kyle or cleetus would have done to it! But if it was ready-to-send then it just so happened to let go while he was driving then I think bad luck of the draw haha
Jet fuel still burns above the recrystallization temp of a36 structural steel lol and well above forging temp. There's no rigidity at that temperature, that argument is so ridiculous
Awesome videos. Always funny n great learning experience for people that dont kno much or just want to learn more about automobiles. Thanks n keep up the great work.
The valve broke at the middle of the stem which means something was lodged under it usually. If the valve had dropped it would be from the keepers and if it hit it would bend and break apart as they ARE NOT that strong. I think Brent/shawn is right that the piston broke and battered everything and cracked the valve stem then smashed into top of the cylinder and cracked the sleeve due to it hydro locking. It's actually commonish with these
brent has it, hydrolocked 100%
To prove the strength of flex tape, I BLEW THIS MOTOR UP
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And slapped it with the might of zeus
Lol
What a awesome bunch of guys. To understand accidents happen and you fix shit and move on. james is a great guy and wouldn't hurt a fly on purpose lol
that was crack up the end with all the arguing haha i recon Brent is right he has years of experience
It’s obvious. To much torque. The liner cracked so water got in. The rice swelled up. You can’t compress rice so the rod bent then a piece of either the piston or a piece of sushi got stuck under the valve so it couldn’t close and the piston hit it and broke it of.
It noticed Phong's stop and deiced to do the same.
Im sure you wannabe car enthusiasts. Clueless manchild or kid
Not even close. Sounds like your feelings get hurt pretty easy. 😰
@@092783sn no you troll maybe because I'm in the automotive industry unlike you haven't got a clue. Still at home with your mum and dad i bet manchild. Stfu
@@_i-kr6eg you're the only one acting like q man child here little skid stain. No one gives a fuck if some UA-cam commenter says they're part of the automotive industry.
A haiku:
Boosted the Wago
Made several high rev pulls
Wago no like James
As a marine mechanic, I see hydro locked engines often. That engine hydro locked, and yes the valve got broke from flying piston parts. Brent is spot on!
You guys are getting great views I love what you guys got going on a bright future ahead
Who think Brent is right like the comment!
How is that other dude gona try argue with Brent, does he know Brent is a god 🙌
For real, Brent is fucking engine Sherlock Holmes
makes sense the water kept the valve from opening, valve broke = boom
Brent is %1000 correct
Brent or Shaun is right for sure. A droped valve doesn't do that might carnage and definitely doesn't crack sleeves.
A Vtec joke...
Knock knock?
Who's there?
Cylinder 2 and 3
I thought you were going to go with,
Piston Broke
Steveninthe321 😂😂😂😂
Steveninthe321 cylinder 2 and 3 who ?
Cylinder 2 and 3 poo'd
Friendly argument lol love it. You are all so smart and talented I believe everybody. More debates on expired engines can teach all of us new things.
That entire debate made my whole day
im jealous that James can blow up a Honda like that, thats impressive. cant wait to see wago run again. Still want to see the 2kz
Clicked faster than wago blew up 😂😂
hahhahahahaha REKT
To soon lol
So you took all weekend?
CaveMan what lol
It's Murphdog it took wago all weekend to blow.
Absolutely loved the little debate section reminds me of me and my buddies so much lmao
Never question Brent, he knows all.
“Honda’s don’t blow up!”
Car God’s: Hold my beer. 🍻
-Piston: knock, knock.-
Valves: Hello, do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior...V-Tech!
Welcome To The Madness what's v-tech
vtech your talking about a phone right ?
vtec* maybe it was an autocorrect.
Hondas*
Gods*
Welcome To The Madness Good joke. Bad grammar.
I say some plastic from you headlight went into the turbo. Made it through the system and cuased the whole thing
Glass housing headlights
@@nickangelo2119 lol. correction. " glass in the turbo"
Would of thought most of it would of got caught in the intercooler... Well there should at least be some evidence left over on the intake side of the cooler, if this is the case. But I doubt it, personally.
I hope you’re brain didn’t overheat coming to that conclusion
@@justa5oh136 you're?
Awesome video. Like always
Time for a light K series build! Stainless valves, stronger springs, stronger rods and maybe a block guard? Get some lower comp pistons so you can dump the boost more efficiently! Definitely a hydrolock though I agree! Absolute Carnage!
I think brent is 100% right. The piston wont be able to push all the water out the exhaust valve fast enough and water can't be compressed.
*How will the the boost pressure (20 psi) let the water in the cylinder?*
@@coollasice4175 if its on an exhaust stroke it wont have boost in the mix
@@coollasice4175 the cooling system is under a lot of pressure when it heats up, thats why your safety cap explodes when the pressure gets too high, more than the boost pressure. All that space around the cylinders is filled with cooling fluid and when the sleeve cracks the water pours in.
This is the best debate i've ever heard in my life. Screw the news lol
Gotta love to see that Milwaukee putting in work.💪🏻
LOVE THE BOOSTED BOIZ!!!!!
Brent's shop = Brent right on death of engine ;O)
Old Gear Head
It’s not Brent’s shop! Brent’s shop is next door...
The way you guys talk about these k engines makes them sound like the LS of Honda's the way you just grab a old stock engine out of wreck or whatever don't really mess with and run it. That's pretty cool.
I love the whole “now that’s a lot of damage lets get the flex tape” boosted boyz be watching that project farm 😂👍
If you listen to the audio the engine is happy up to the point where the clutch is lifted on second gear. It also sounds like there was a bit of wheelspin at the end of first gear, resulting the rpm to drop low after the shift. Full boost at low rpm > bent rod > cracked piston > broken sleeve, snapped valve > dead.
James get the tool box!
$10; says all that damage happened within a split second of each other before James push in the clutch and released the rotating force on the engine. Valve broke, beat up the piston and cracked sleeve, water came in too cylinder and caused a hydrolock shattering the piston and bending a rod
ive done it a few times at 700 on a factory rotating assembly... looks about the same lmao
If the valve dropped first there wouldnt have been compression to hydro lock. $10 please lol
It did happen within a second.. but it wasn't the valve.. couldn't be.. cracked a sleeve first and hydro locket
Cracked sleeve and hydro locked and when the piston went boom a chunk took out the valve. My theory
@@morganclawson9985 depends. You cannot compress water and if the water could not escape through the port quick enough it could still create enough Force to bend a rod. I didn't watch the video very close but wasn't the valve still seated in the head also?
Brent is right for one simple reason: The rod bent. Dropping a valve won't bend a rod, the valve will go straight thru the piston. I've seen it happen a few times before, the valve will chop the piston right up or embed itself into it but the rod won't bend. Really the only thing that'll bend a rod is a solid obstruction, and that's exactly what water is.
It’s a good thing when you laugh about it being mad gets you no where to yes big up to you guys!!
Hit up james to come help with the rebuild! I thought I remember him saying he wants to build a honda
James get the TOOLBOX!!!!!!!
I love the arguing over how it blew up. Me and my buddies do the same shit, arguing about something that at that point doesn't matter but will spend an hour getting heated for the hell of it lmao
Dangaranga just about learning and kikn it with the boiz
Most definitely a hydrolock. Brent is 100% correct. A valve will not bend a rod. Too much boost pressure on a bone stock engine cracked the sleeve and it instantly filled with coolant.
Source- me (getting my BAS in Automotive Technology)
LOL! This talk about how it blew is a great example of Monday morning racing! I would think the rod bearing started acting the fool before the carnage.
Gonna take a hefty dab for this one 😰
For real just packing my bong now
Lets goooo!
Im smokin bowls rn✌
Dakota Randall I’m reporting you to the feds
Hell ya boys!
Just the stuff that happens when youre out here doing it for Dale.
@@aliceshaw8265 I probably have a bigger Dale memorabilia collection that you even knew products that existed. But keep wondering.
YES!!!!! 2KZ!!! Can't wait for it.
Lol I love the ending arguments
Lmao I love the debate they had on what happened to the cylinder
If I want to see clean horsepower, I watch PFI. If I want some failure mode info and general carnage, I watch the CleetusMcFarland youtube channel. So this is what happens when they meet? 😂
Word to Brent! He is definitely on point here, valves pretty much cannot crack a sleeve nor a piston. The piston and head absorbs almost all the debri from the valve. A sleeve is too hard for a valve to do any serious damage as puncture it. Water isnt compressible and it cannot move fast enough to get out of the bore so rod always gives first when exposed to water. Doesnt take much water to hydrolock an engine especially on boost.
This is going to be a best argument ever😅
Jesus Christ... that cylinder looks worse than Lindsay Lohan after a night out with friends.
LOL, well at least the block doesn't try to kidnap homeless kids on a rough night out
😂😂😂
I love you guys your cars just crack me up
They crack their engines up too.
That’s a full send.. take a little of everything out with it 😎😎😂
The top of the piston is the part of the engine subject to far more pressure and temperature. The top of the piston shattered. Then the shattered corner did havoc, causing further shatter of piston, valve and jacket. The stock piston is probably good up to 300HP. The effective weight on top of the piston is in the range of tens of Tons at 400s HP. This needs special piston. But bear in mind that the Japanese engine was driven off-road without air filter, for some time. Dust accumulated on bottom of intercooler. Dust from off-road on bottom of intercooler was being shaken hardly during the time when the engine was broken. Dust got into intake valve.
When are you guys getting a lift for your bay?
At least a set of quick jacks
When they went to Texas and the other guys drove to pick something special up, I figured they were going to buy some used lifts, not a used dyno haha. They definitely need to get some lifts in there.
@@Jeremy-eu9bx lifts are cheap and driving to Texas from colorado for one is stupid
Just like Brent with the positive attitude. (That can be fixed)
Yep, clean the mating surface and spin the valves and do a leak test and send it.
I'm sure some drain pan companies would love to sponsor you guys
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Hey kyle new merch alert james killed it.
Brent is correct: the crack put coolant in cylinder.
Geee just wanted to sleep, well it can wait😂
Greetings from Germany
Make sure there is antifreeze in the new block especially in the cold of that Colorado workshop. Good video guys. As James says: “Kill it and grill it”.
Glad to see you giving James a break , last video came off a little strong
Transmission stuff from the UK, something from Quaife maybe?
Happy birthday Hayden!
You boys be getting down. An hour hell yeah bro
Brent’s blown up and diagnosed and fixed more Honda engines then everyone put together 10x over lol. I’d go with his theory and don’t sweat it , get James to grab the tool box and it’ll be LS swapped in no time
I agree with Shawn, the load bent the rod initially.
Your wrong. 100% hydro locked I've seen this happen before.
Get phong to fix tht head
Love it when opinions get heated 😂
Brent knows his shit definitely with him. The load with awd, that hard shift, high revs and more weight in the car bent the rod and it hydrolocked.