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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2022
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Team Slingshot Member here. This is 1000% legit. Slingshot has changed my form to be so much more athletic, professional, and more effortless. If anybody is looking for real distance and effortless Coach T is the best coach to work with, hands down.
Tyee has effortless form. I’ve seen it live!
I 100% agree with Tyee on this take
its crap
That’s amazing to hear it’s sad that this Dave dude really trying to ruin plps goals telling them it can never happen just cause they didn’t put in the time to see the difference
@@blazesmith6841 and the majority wont gain 10 feet and hurt their arms/shoulders in the process. preposterous. nonsense these distance videos.
There was a good comment on this point on the last video showing the form progression. The farther that you throw the more effortless and easy it looks. I think most people have been at the 300 barrier trying harder and not getting any more distance
Should those players really be focusing on how to throw a disc further or how to throw a disc 300’ with less effort and more accuracy asking for a friend…
@@ryosapien27 both, if you can hit 500 with great form the byproduct is 350 is easy
I watch all of your videos, and you are correct. I am having some serious problems with the power pocket. They way you teach it makes so much sense. Thanks for your hard work.
Appreciate you!
Keep up the great content coach. This year has been amazing with the help of your videos! Can't wait for 2023!!!!!
After 9 years of playing (=frustration),i found out today that i have to do exactly what you are teaching here and it works for me ,with my mind now set to "one thing only" makes me throw much better,all focus on bringing the throw-arm backward even as i go forward in all other motions.....the result, no pulling arm in any way,the arm will be dragged in with the "rubber band" effect,result,a bunch of best shots ever on the course today,straighter and longer.Not at all what i expected of my shots regarding form,style and feel ,but hey ,if it works don´t overthink it!Big Thanks "coach T".
Thank you! As always I appreciate you watching the channel!
Brother I just wanna say that at 55 with Marine Corps issued arthritis everywhere I have struggled to throw past 230 feet. I have been throwing for years with terrible form. Always doing the lawnmower being stiff armed and pulling.
I thought I’ll never figure this out then I started watching your videos and I can tell you my accuracy, my distance, and my lack of shoulder pain has been a blessing.
Your journey, your open honest journey inspired me and I cannot thank you enough.
With my deepest thanks. Semper Fi
Planning to email you back by the end of the weekend!
Straight up, love your honesty. Great video. Keep ‘‘em coming 💯 coach T
If I remember correctly Paul got some of that form from Bradley Williams. If you watch his slow mo form he also does what you are talking about.
This could definitely make the top 100 best videos ever made in the history of making videos.
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literally just like pitching or throwing a baseball in general…the stretch that creates the slingshot effect or rubber band effect is a huge factor and something that harder throwers apply in effortless velocity…awesome video
Love what you teach. I throw over 400 and look forward to hitting 500. I grew up in sports and the one thing that is hard in disc golf to do is hit that over 450ft distance to reach certain holes only the pros can reach on your drives. So thank you.
That is my problem. I was a 400-450' thrower with bad form. I have been working on it and really trying to get this timing down. I lost about 50-100' of distance so far, but I know it will pay off as I practice it through the off season.
I love when coach T gets hate for coming up with his own way of describing disc golf form. Give the guy credit he dissected Paul macbeths form perfectly which IS a coaching talent. No where have you heard double move, magic position, or somebody telling you back leg disc golf,or forget about the power pocket, and he’s correct imho on all fronts. I for one would of never noticed the “magic position” but when he draws it on the pros and you see it you start to see it on all the top throwers they all with out a doubt hit that position at some point in the throw.
I’m so sick of hurting my body. I stopped throwing a disc three weeks ago, and I’ve been doing nothing but recoding and changing my form. I’ve watched all your videos 3 times. Great content.
I hope it helps! Stay safe
Keep up the great work, man! Your vids are great whether they are straight up technique, philosophy, or whatever. Have a great 2023!
Means a lot!
You have said this before, but I think it’s the key to the slingshot timing, is the slow “reachback” ie moving around the disc. The timing for getting your arms to move in opposite directions is really hard to do when you are reaching back quickly. I was getting quite frustrated because it felt weird, but Once I started thinking 1-2-3-4 with my reachback timing I could feel it starting to click. I’m not quite there yet but I can feel it coming. Thanks for explaining this the way you do. It makes a lot of sense! You make great content!
I've picked up over 150' in the past six months. ( via Slingshot)
Things I notice.
1. DG is a lot more fun now.
2. Drives require less effort / power, and as a result my control is also way up.
3. My shoulder doesn't hurt like it used to.
Tip: if you order a slingshot make sure to get one with Boom Sauce!
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rofl, pure bs
@@davehart9972 listen carefully. When it comes to form Its hard to correct our exact deficiency. If you have tried this method and its not working its likely you're missing key details. I put more time in studing DG form than I did in my organic chemistry class.
You can fix the lack of "big arm" with big brains. Details count. Tiny little things have huge effects. GL bro.
True. It snaps its self and there is less effort. Sometimes I create little swinging during run up to get this rotation timing before pulling through.
I’ve played disc very casually for 4 years, but just started taking it seriously in the last 8 months. This has been a 4 week project for me. This concept of coiling across my back and punching through has already added ~50 ft to my not so amazing drive, taking me out to 350. I have popped two out to 400 ft, but I didn’t necessarily feel in control of either throw.
Combining these concept of coil and back leg propulsion has not been easy. At times I feel like I’m spraying my drives when the timing is a little off. But, I’m seeing the results, so I am going to stick with it. Slow learning, but I believe it’ll pay off.
It looks so easy lmao! It's so difficult to internalize the timing; getting the plant foot down before full extension, starting the turn to extend the disc and keep good angle control. This really does make a ton of sense though, it's not about pulling, it's about slinging. Cheers
Thanks Thundy!
Hopefully one day I’ll get it & your channel will get most the credit. Great content! 🙌🏻
I appreciate that Logan!
This is so interesting to hear. I have been going thru this same logic. I'm a decent athlete at other sports. I can throw a forehand 400ft, but my backhand is stuck around 240. I don't believe it's a physical limitation, but I'm doing something fundamentally wrong. I don't expect to be awesome, but I should be able to throw 350.
Those instincts are correct. If it feels like their is more distance…means there is.
If you can forehand 400, I bet in a summer you can get your backhand to 400
@@jeffgood1580 I swear I have been practicing every other day since June and still can't figure it out.
@@joem8496 I would highly recommend joining the discord. I was also in the same boat and once I joined I made more progress in a few months then the entire 2 years I had been playing
Join one of the tiers even if it’s only one review a month guarantee he finds something every time,e for u to work on you didn’t see. If not it’s imperative you tape yourself there’s no point in practicing non stop with the wrong form just bad habits later to brake
I definitely try to use the power pocket I'm going to practice and hopefully relearn not to do the power pocket but coil like you demonstrated in this video.
It’s all about coiling for sure
Ive been working hard unlearning years of ultimate frisbee. Before incorporating the slingshot method I had to throw sky annys for 400’. Im getting more consistent at 400’ distance with a smooth backhand golf line now. It’s not easy AT ALL but it has made me more consistent, throws are more effortless, and the game is even more fun. If you want to get better and are willing to work, you will see results.
Truth
love the way you teach this .
Ive been struggling to get a proper extended reachback and hope this helps me, but i was wondering if youre forcing your throwing arm to keep extending as your bring your left arm in or you are holding your right arm still?
Whenever I go out and try to learn/practice the slingshot method, I always end up bouncing my disc off of my right shoulder which knocks everything off. I say right shoulder because I am left handed. If I try to do the double move, that's what happens. I have to, kind of, press my right arm against my side and use more of the power pocket (I think I'm doing the power pocket anyway) to get a clean throw. I don't know what to look for or at to maybe fix this. Great video either way though 🤘
Try to have your final plant foot end more out ..i mean..more right (on lhbh) so that you have more space between chest and arms. Watch lizotte or gibson..especially their footwork and you will know what i mean
@@erniejeong1821 stepping out like that is what I've been practicing for a while now and do it pretty consistently (as far as I know anyway lol). I'll take some video and look. Thanks 😊.
FYI I jumped from about 390 to 500’ incorporating this guys teachings into my backhand. I’ve only been playing for 3 years. I played 2 varsity sports in college, and I am well above average in athleticism and nothing else was working. I stumbled on Slingshot DG and progress has been amazing learning to be a back leg player.
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rofl, and then you woek up.
@@davehart9972 nope. I can throw a 500’ golf shot. Let me guess you’ve never really passed 350’ so you rag on better players for having higher genetic ceilings.
@@thediscgolfdude8607 no that exactly proves my point. you can practice form for 20 years and if you your ceiling is 350 you arent gaining 150 of distance magically. its all genetics. thanks for agreeing with me.
@@davehart9972 but if you don’t find the proper throwing mechanics for you, you’ll never unlock the extra distance plain and simple.
300 has been my wall for a year, shoulder tweaked 1/2 the time.
Been there
I don’t think the power pocket is the problem. It seems what you’re saying is that people get into the pocket to early, and are too rigid.
Another great video! I'm glad I found your channel. Now I can start undoing Danny Lindahl's methods. I stopped watching his vids after he broke down Paul McBeth's form. He kept saying that what he (Paul), was doing, you can't. I don't know what the point was.
Great stuff as always.
Thank you Brett
Really can’t wait to try this out been stuck at 300-350 (depending on the wind and if it’s uphill or downhill) max Accurate distance for a few months now trying to find the next step, and I think this will be the key to reaching 400 getting my timing and truely slingshotting my discs aka Paul mcbething it
its NEVER going to happen, these videos get everyone hyped up, but its all genetics. You can have all the good form all you want but you are never throwing a baseball 95 mph or throwing a football 80 yards.
@@davehart9972 I’m lmfaooooo dude you truly are clueless it’s all about form and the amount of work you put in I threw less that 150 ft for a year then got a better form stated throwing 200 kept working on my form and strength started throwing 300 and in the last 3 months I’ve been able to throw up to 350-380 uphill consistently but if you wanna tell people it’s impossible to get better and do better go back to smoking crack my guy. But thanks for not believing in me I’ll use that as motivation to throw 400 ft consistently on flat ground just to prove you wrong and I’m only 130 lbs 5’10/11 definitely isn’t genetics it’s the amount of time you put in and how Consistent you are at practicing but have a good day
@@davehart9972 well it’s time for me to hit the courses and put in the work
@@blazesmith6841 rofl, ya keep it up you'll be at 450 in no time. good grief.
@@davehart9972 ayee that’s the mind set g but prolly never coming back to this comment so have a great time try to stay positive
At 58 I’m like an old dog, you can’t teach it new tricks, looks like I’m stuck with the power pocket, I’ve just got the Zeus for Christmas off the wife, I have no problem getting the distance I need on the courses I have here in the uk, but great information for younger players to pick up on👍 Happy new year to all disc golfers around the world 🥳🍻🍻😂
You can learn at that age…I’ve seen it personally
Whenever I see someone struggling with form in person or online I recommend your channel to them.
Thank you!
I second that I’m happy to recommend your channel to anyone struggling to push past whatever is holding them back with their backhand
Thank you.
I was hitting 290-310 consistently 2 weeks ago. Ive dropped something during a couple days rest i took. Today i was having all kinds of issues. Sucky distancs, nose up release. Couldnt flip my usual distance flippers. I feel like im someone who just cant take a day off 😂. I know 310 isnt far. But im 6 months is and its alot better than where i started. I was having a hard time reaching much over 200 at first
always extra pumped to hit the course after a fresh SSDG vid.
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gosh you should be throwing 600 by now
I hold the disc out like Eric Oakley until my left arm hits my chest then pull through but I've thrown ten thousand throws and only felt the buttery snap 2 times. I can make the snap noise but get no extra distance little more spin (by gripping harder).
Just from watching this video, I'd guess that my own problems are too fast of a backswing, and potentially far too early starting the backswing
You helped me so much this year. Thank you for everything.
Can we train this while standing still or only in combination with the X step?
The thing about disc golf that has frustrated me for a decade is that I am athletic, but I haven't been able to throw over 380' more than a few times. I high jumped 6' 4" in high school after only doing it for two years. I had an exceptionally strong arm playing SS in baseball before that. I have the explosive power, but can't translate it to disc golf.
I get it
Your videos are helping a lot! I've been doing "ghost throws" all over my house this winter, and I'm getting a net this weekend so I can get more reps with discs. I can already feel the difference between the power pocket and the slingshot/rubberband.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Same, your prob use to being able to just muscle through the other stuff with great results that’s the hardest part about this sure you can muscle a disc but you aren’t getting much over 400 w/o the correct form unless your 6’5 with long limbs and huge hands
My longest throws are when I'm at like 70% power. It's a weird skill...
Do you think you hsve reached your max distance? And what is your distance..im still working on my backhand form and sit around 250-300 consistently depending on the disc
Yes I’ve reached my max distance. But that doesn’t mean I’m on the level of any of the pros. 9,000 more hours to go if I want to achieve perfect angle and accuracy on every shot.
Been a fan of your content from the start. I have the exact same feeling of my athleticism not translating into disc golf and I can tell something isn't right when I throw. I can just tell I'm not getting anything from my lower body in terms of power. I'm curious if you could explain what it should feel like when you actually get all the timing and form correct and what that progression looked / felt like for you? Cheers
Honestly. It should feel euphoric. At least when you first start doing it. Like anything else you get used to it and kind of goes away but that first 6 months I had it down felt supernatural. Until it feels that good you know there’s more! Keep grinding and just believe it’s possible
You're the man. Thanks!
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 This both excites me but also makes me sad because it's been 5 years and I still haven't felt this. I'm worried I'll never be able to teach myself the feel and the timing even though I've watched OT and your channel since the start. I'm just not athletic in that way.
@@HyzerFlip let me review your form on my channel. I want to see what’s really going on with your current form. Either way I appreciate your support!
I’m new here!! Very interesting “slingshot” concept… do you offer individual form corrections?
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This is the moment you have me hooked. 1:44 . I’m the same height as you same general athleticism as you. Can’t wait to see where the rest of this video goes, and I’m excited to learn from you.
Played my first round after watching this video, and focusing so much more on my other arm and maximizing that extension, I only got a couple of good throws, but I see where this is going. Please keep the content coming!
Love the content! Hate the clickbait!!!
I have no choice. I hate it too. If I put a normal title nobody will see it. Trust me it sucks
If you don’t pull at all with your arm how do you keep it in line? This game is so hard!
I have asked few times how much age affect meaning muscles loses "explosiveness" when you become older. I'm 44 threw 4 year with good throw i can reach just 400+ but haven't gain anymore distance.
Age, unfortunately does limit distance. Pro athletes in every sport lose athleticism and it’s rare to see pro athletes past 40. As Charles Barkley always says…” Father Time is undefeated”. However…age does not effect form. It only effects distance because distance is a measure of athleticism.
The power pocket is a little misunderstood because of the amount of rotation back (coming inside) and working from a closed hip setup as the front foot plants. You shouldn't be throwing the arm out, in then out again. Rather create a path that passes through it during the dynamic rotation. It will feel like you aimed to far left until you find it. This is also why many players get better distance on their grip locks. I study biomechanics for ball and disc golf, this is just my analysis from years of coaching 1 on 1.
@Lasr8 it's kinda hard to explain in writing but I'd Start by watching the angle of run up and where that front foot plants. The hips are almost always preset closed/back. So it might feel like everything is left. Continue rotating but by the time your open to the target the disc should already be released. Feel inside out with good rotation. This is for distance mainly. Things get a little less exaggerated as you slow it down.
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Ya most people don't recognize that paul is literally 5 ft 9 or 10, he's an average size guy with top level power because he maximizes efficiency. If someone like Simon or brodie size could maximize efficiency like that they would be unstoppable
Simon is able to throw over 700’ how is that not efficient? Brodie on the other hand 😮
@@johnjordanville you're right simon is maximizing efficiency, I just meant that tall build in general my bad
It's like a retrograde motion between the core and the reach back.
I'll try to focus on this in warmer months ahead. Off topic: tips for throwing nosing down?
Makes sense. Have to be warmed up to do any of this.
Wait that’s the end of the video? I thought it was just getting to the good part
Does Shusterick sling or pocket?
I will be reviewing his form on the coach T show at some point. Every Wednesday. See Slingshotdiscgolf.com if you want to join. I will release the review on UA-cam most likely though.
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 He does seem to "reach" back after his right foot plants
Firm believer that Eagle McMahon is the greatest thrower of a disc the world has ever seen. His power both forehand (pre-injury) and backhand is unheard of. Paul’s form is great I won’t dispute that, but the way Eagle can accelerate a disc is next level and I don’t even think it’s teachable it’s just raw talent
Agree
Just like any sport the best of the best are a combination of technique and pure talent. When I did weightlifting there were world record holders who had "bad" form.
Yes I agree eagle is extremely gifted physically. He’s #5 on my form list so I’m not arguing. I’m a big fan of eagle
Anything a human does is teachable.
How did Eagle learn? Did his dad teach him? 2nd gen athletes have a huge advantage in sports. From not only genetics but from the knowledge passed to them at a young age.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. But perhaps an old dog can still benefit.
If you gave a thousands of kids eagles upbringing many of them would thriw like that. Same story for Simon. 2nd gen Dg. You see this trend in a lot if sports.
Just watched a slow-mo of Paul's form and he has what I consider is the "power pocket" ua-cam.com/video/sPrUjSKpPD0/v-deo.html Am I misunderstanding what the "power pocket" is?
Your seeing in and out fast twitch acceleration. That’s not where the power comes from. These are just my opinions though. Whatever works for each individual
But McBeth can throw insanely far, and coming from Paul himself, he says get distance first, accuracy second.
The most effortless form…as I describe…leads to your max distance potential as a by product
Would you ever do a video on forehands?
No. I refuse to learn it because I know how much pain I will have to endure trying to learn it
As of now my max is 250 forehand lol
Sounds like your contradicting your power pocket video?
No just a different explanation.
I’ve also improved 200% since then as a coach. My early explanations are not great
Yet here you are for the info😂😎
LOL
Yea I think I'm gonna go ahead and trust drew Gibson on this one over some random channel I've never heard of
Can’t argue with that
Lol.
But seriously, did Drew have to struggle to learn his technique? It's hard to teach something that comes easily to you...
@@joem8496 watch his video with Brodie Smith 2 years ago
@@nathanrobbins2440 will do
You want to get past 400 ft you need to go to the gym. The end.
There’s a lot of truth in that
Tell that to the 14 year old, 120lb twig of a kid at our local course burning 450' drives. He looks anemic but crushes.
Love it 🎉
Thank you
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 been watching you since the beginning and it never really clicked. Until the other day i just really wanted to get my left arm and left side of my body more active and it finally clicked alot more. Still gotta fix my timing with the double move and all that but it already feels more effortless than before and easier distances