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Where do Christianity and Nonduality meet? - Father Richard Rohr
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2012
- This is an excerpt from the interview with Father Richard Rohr (Franciscan friar ordained to the priesthood in the Roman Catholic Church) at the Science and Nonduality Conference 2011 featured in the 3DVD set "Science and Nonduality Anthology Vol.3". For the full interview please visit: www.scienceandnonduality.com/d...
music by: Matthew Schoening
Jesus taught the way of love , the bible has many levels of understanding and we will receive the level we are ready for. Some teachers of christianity still have much learning to do.
I used to think that Christians and Catholics indeed had a... less evolved or matured spiritual knowledge and experience... But oh boy, after almost a couple of decades traveling different roads, it's amazing for me to realise I hadn't been able to see what it has. But now I can see. I can see that it's alive! God isn't just beliefs, ideas, concepts or even experiences like meditation, but He's real in a very tangible way that answers to you and really tangibly nourishes your life and makes you grow.... very much in contrast with several paths that promise a lot but... eventually show their true colours. Indeed, "by their fruits you shall know them."
@@lauramorales377 I would even say that "jesus is love".
Most excellent and very correct.
@@lauramorales377 Very correct. Some people say that Jesus lives. I would like to argue that the purpose of Jesus (or Self/Life) is Love. Blessings.
My experience exactly. Thanks for your comment.@@lauramorales377
We need more such priests!
Please note that Advaita has hundreds of sub-schools (you can spend your whole life-time reading up on it and still not 'know' it all). As a baptized RC, I am naturally a big fan of Saint Francis and Thomas Merton (yes, it is perfectly fine to enjoy a good Trappist). I do however also love Sufism, Kabbalah, Upanishads, Krsna in particular, the Vedas, et all. All of these including true Christianity deliver the same message of all-inclusive Love. Love is all that matters and perhaps it should be taken quite literally so for I believe we truly are the manifestation of Love (1 Corinthians 13:13); Love in the Flesh. That being said, I believe the error is seeing duality as something negative while it is actually positive. Why? Duality simply means the unity of two (duo) complementing lovers (man and woman for example) existing as One and that is Godly perfection right there. It requires no further questioning. After all, is there not night and day, is there not ebb and flow, are there not the seasons? There is nothing wrong to embrace our God-given individuality as long as we see God in all for All is G-d in reality. In other words: I would be very careful in surrendering to extreme forms non-duality for it is not the purpose (in our physical manifestation).
The difference between all these forms and Christianity though, is that this love and divinity didn't just stay somewhere abstract out there waiting for us to get to it, rather that God came to us to save the space that separated us and the way to do it was by taking upon himself the debts we had and paying them himself with his suffering and death, allowing us to be freed from that debt and go back to Him and for Him to come to us fully and from that moment on, receiving His Spirit to accompany us even from the start of the spiritual journey to help us grow and to become the warrant of our soul never being lost after death. All of this is sort of omitted about Christianity when taking into account all the other spiritual paths out there.
@@lauramorales377 You are right and I forgot where it is mentioned but there's a quote that paths are many but truth is one. All we can do is love and keep on loving. Blessings.
I agree. I was raised Christian but was not religious. I saw loving others as myself and loving God above all but my concept of God was formless. I wanted to know what Jesus knew not second hand from interpretation, I always valued my personal experience over what I was taught.
I wasn't really seeking spiritually, I prayed and asked for guidance but not much more.
I had a extreme trauma, witnessing my son's death after his battle with mental illness and after attempting CPR there was nothing I could do or think and I surrendered completely and I stepped out of the dream, understood fully I and the father are one And a peace beyond human understanding and God was that in which we lived and moved and had our being. I felt like I sobered up saw I had been playing a character and had forgotten it wasn't me and that character's previous prayers had been to ask the author/screenwriter to change the chapters of the book/play the character was in.
It was a fictional being wanting it's story to be different, but the story was written.
This was all in a split second but actually time didn't exist ,I was shown the eternal now all time was coexistent.
Then the mind came back online but was silent as there was a witness neutral and content watching the "me" I had mistaken as myself as it mourned and wailed.
I then discovered the Eastern non-dual teachings and they have such clarity and help one understand the original meaning of Jesus's teachings before they were interpreted second hand by those who did not understand and often had agendas of controlling the population.
Anyway I find looking through the lens of the east and also Christian mystics actually helps understand the true meaning of the Good News and allows to have the eyes to see and the ears to hear and understand why there is no need to worry for tomorrow and that our neighbor is truly ourself and everyone and all living beings are our "neighbors".
It frees us from guilt, shame, condemnation and hatred.
And opens us to the wonder of life/God and the manifestation as it unfolds while knowing we are that.
@@AngieF8 Bless you Angela. I am beyond speechless about your depth of understanding . But I am also very sad for your loss. Again beyond words. But happy you discovered the truth and that the truth brings you peace. Bless you. Thank you. Appreciate you. Wishing you a feel good paeceful and easy going day not just today but everyday. All overwhelming heart warming love.
Ahh! Beautiful. Thank you very much.
Fr. Rohr. He's simply a good man. I really like how his pragmatic, compassionate, german logic comes through.
Non Duality(Advaita) is the concept of Hinduism and Adi
Shankaracharya is the founder
Advaita of Adi Shankara is the hindu expression of this universal truth. But at the core it is not a philosophical idea but an experience of fully developed human awareness, found in all major religious traditions.
@@jaigurusampradayadeutschla4216 thank you, great reply
@@jaigurusampradayadeutschla4216 Buddy that experience has to be brought into the philosophy. It is Shankara who brought in. While you are talking about all the religion , please tell me how many times Abrahmic religion talk about non duality?? The frequency is really less while it has wide range of discussion in hinduism. Whatever is good you discredit hinduism, whatever is bad you blame hinduism ??
No Adi Shankara was not the founder ... Ashtavakra Gita is a highly nondual text predates Adi Shanakaracharya by atleast 10 centuries .
@@SrikanthIyerTheMariner Right
The problem with this, and the difference between non duality and Christianity, is that the former doesn't include the essentials of Christianity, of course. A lot of systems in the world apparently partner up with Christianity to say they're the same... but the problem is that they leave behind or completely omit the main thing here: What was the reason for Jesus to come here as that full human - full divine: which is to basically rescue us from the condition we got into when the fall happened, with partly was to have a difference between good and evil. Partly, from the non dual perspective, this would be another similarity between the two. But the problem here could be that evil or the negative part of how we are and what we've done (and its consequences) can be not recognised as such, as *negative* nor having bad consequences as such. And if this isn't recognised and accepted, you can't repent about them and relinquish them AND the effects it has... continue operating. In a Christian perspective we HAVE to be able to recognise our mistakes and even reject them with a passion in order to die to all of them and be reborn as a new man. With his death, Jesus/God payed for all those debts we amassed and that we needed to pay, and so he liberated us from it, that's why it's willingly chosen to die symbolically as he did in order to pay what we needed to pay and from that moment forward, start being a new creature, born again in spirit. But yeah, through this and through the spiritual growth process that follows, you HAVE to be able to discern between good and evil in order to stop creating more "karma" and remaining in grace. Although this time you have the Holy Spirit to be your guide about it, same as your sword and power to defeat everything that has been having control over your life through the *unawareness* of what evil causes in your life. So yeah, even if non-duality in general sounds good... it doesn't say about the possibility we have of reestablishing such a direct relationship with God, and to have a new life and an eternal one.
i love RR! hes an inspiration for my books and channel!
If you want to understand Nonduality . try studying the Mobius Strip ... Worked for me.
Tommy Applecore i dont get it
@@chimenerf The apparent two-sidedness of the strip is actually one-sided. Look it up.
Plato already used a word for it. "Henosis" or "unity" in the platonic and neoplatonic school of thought is part of what paved the way for monotheism in the west.
At 0:56 he says Jesus is a highly evolved being. This is contrary to the christian teaching that I have learned where Christ is forever the same. This sounds more like hinduism.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
You're exactly correct.
Ur right
Thanks love your explaination❤️🙏🏼✨
Beautiful speaker. Thanks for sharing this video. Its EXACTLY what I set out to find today! Jesus lives, through the me that is imaginary, to recognise the non dual nature of myself. I am one.
Imaginary, uff I thought once perhaps that was the case. But Jesus is not just *that* to make you recognise some non dual nature of yourself... Jesus is very much alive and it's God who became flesh in order to take what separates us as humans from Him: -to put it in some words- our karmic debts and pay them himself in order for us to stop having the consequences of the chains that would put in us in this life, reestablishing our relationship with Him since it was blocked by all those effects so we're truly free. Non duality sometimes can't let you recognise, accept and relinquish the negative actions we've done to ourselves, others and God and so we cannot repent and give them to God in order for him to liberate us from them. That's the main problem.
@@lauramorales377 what separates 'humans from God' is an imaginary concept called 'separation', created by God in order to understand the non dual nature of ourself (God). I AM.
Aquinas made the last bold attempt to reconcile non-duality and the teachings of Christianity. Apart from a few unique cases in which highly advanced Saints (such as St. John of the Cross), succeeded in uniting Christian faith with actual nondual Realization, Christianity as a whole is based on the single doctrine of Salvation by Grace through faith, (Galations, and that faith is a body of beliefs). The approach in nonduality is to transcend particular beliefs, and that's why it's accessible to anybody irrespective of beliefs. Fundamentalist Christians would definitely disagree with that.
Non-dualistic thinking can also be clearly seen in St. Paul.
Could you provide some examples?
No, because Paul was grounded in reality.@@internetuser777
His speech on Mars Hill?
It is very clear to me that he is exactly right in what he is saying. Jesus very obviously had a non dual message that was completely lost for centuries. What else could he have meant when he talks about being the father and the son or becoming eternal? Another thing is the gospel of thomas, the ideas in that gospel supposedly from Jesus are without doubt nondual. He is also correct to suggest that the Christian mystics understood this all along.The same can be said to some degree with Islam because sufi philosophy is nondual also. The way i see it is there is only one truth, and that truth can be found if you look deeply enough in all of the main religions of this world.
Exactly.
Cash Money ““I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.””
Luke 12:49-53 NIVbible.com/111/luk.12.49-53.niv
Jesus was essentially teaching non-duality in an understandable way for the masses, and subsequent ‘Christians’ turned him into a dualistic deity that must be worshipped. The misunderstanding in most Christians’ interpretation is epic.
I think some say it is found even more in the catch-all Shamanistic belief. And the Celtic ways which go all the way back to the Aryan speakers who brought the Upanishads to India.
I beg to differ. Jesus was actual a faithful Jew who taught from the Torah. It’s essential to be cognizant that he didn’t remove any of the said Laws but make them more practical in nature. He said it time and time again, “do what they preach but don’t follow what they do”
The Jewish people understanding of God wasn’t wrong. Also no Christian Mystics believed in what you mentioned.
Everyone is talking about “non-duality” but the Christian revelation comes from far above the “non-dual” or unitive energy experience which is the aim of all the natural religions teachings. The Orthodox talk of this unitive state as the uncreated energies of God. Other teachings have different names for the state of consciousness. But it seems to have been forgotten that the revelation offered by Christ is on a much higher level. This fact seems almost forgotten. It is the experience of the Logos/Christ the Word decent into the human heart and lifting one up to and before the Father of Lights. This experience is most clearly theistic and clearly Christian. Other faiths do not speak of this state bc only through Christ can one come to the Father. If you just stop with the “Oneness” experience then one hasn’t seen ultimate Reality.
"I Am" is the way.
"Understanding" the doctrine is where the problem lies without being influenced by the dualistic thinking. How can I experience Jesus' oneness with His divinity, is for me, the big question?
The real power and beauty of non-dualism is that, in a world of nearly 8 billion views and beliefs, all are equally correct!
Far from it. They present contradictory and incompatible truth claims. "Non Dualism" is a philosophy which obfuscates truth and confuses its adherents. Jesus said, "I AM the Truth" .
@@glennsimonsen8421Jesus also say earth is 6000 years old and sun a revolving around the earth 😂😂
@@mktipsfun1564 What scripture verse is that?
I see both descriptors to be a distorted perception of labelling of the same thing.
Right on, Amen bro.
Indeed "In God you move, live and have your being" Paul on Mars Hill affirming non dualism as he goes onto preach the risen Christ.
Omniscient is by definition nonduaulastic.
It wasn't clearly seen for 2000 years. After going through Hinduism and Buddhism you can find non duality even in a comic book. Christianity has nothing whatsoever to do with non duality.
@@st.mephisto8564 You’re right that Christian mysticism espouses non-duality, but surface level Christianity does not. This is what the majority follow, and it’s very destructive. In Eastern traditions, the unity of all things is much more explicit and is understood even by laymen.
@@internetuser777 I agree with you
The Holy Bridge:
Acquaintance with Jesus is consolidated.
The Bridge between Advaita(Non-Duality) and Christ Consciousness is inaugurated.
Unconditional love is the 'Labour' from Grace to be appointed.
The price of the Bridge needs to be 'Silently' sorted.
The final price of the Bridge is quoted by 'I am'.
Bible Quote:"Before Abrahim was,'I am'."
Advaita Quote:" 'I am' beyond Brahma".
'No Mind' is finalised to be the material of construction.
Advaita:I am' is beyond Mind.
Jesus:"Walk by faith,not by sight".
'The Bridge' is designed to be 'Invisible' for 'Invincible' to arrive.
Assignment of the Bridge took, appropriately, 'Three days' to complete .
According to Advaita: 'I am' is beyond 'The Three':Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva.
According to Bible:The Holy Spirit (I Am) Resurrected 'Three days'(Wholeness,love and perfection) after Crucification.
'The Bridge' is a connection of 'Two same Ends'.
A union of Truth(Christ) and True Self (Advaita).
Two Different Names with thousands of years apart.
The 'Emptiness' remaining 'Still'(Jesus:Be 'Still' and 'Know' you are God) with no holds barred.
HARI OM TAT SATYA ('The Bridge' is instantly available)
Vikram Attri
Its shoving a round peg into a square hole.
Neo-Platonism (Plotinus, Origen, etc.) did have a non-dual and monistic philosophy, though, and it was a very prevalent belief system at the same time that Christianity started to really take off. So it's not like it didn't exist within the Hellenic cultural sphere at that time. I would actually think it was the Abrahamic influence on Christianity rather than the Greek which pushed it away from non-duality.
Where can I read more about this? Are you speaking of the Church Father Origen as being Neo-Platonic?
I am not sure what Rohr is arguing here. Thomas Aquinas didn't understand the incarnation? The incarnation does not involve a contradiction because God and man do not occupy the same logical space, such as square and circle or tiger and man do. There is no _a priori_ contradiction involved in believing in the incarnation given that in no world do God and man _compete_ with each other for space, as a man-tiger would (you cannot be both a man and a tiger at one and the same moment in any universe). Is this nondualism?
Atleast he is grateful to the east for introducing the word.
Belief preempts realization of the truth.
If you think you already know, you are incapable of hearing and unwilling to explore.
Thanks GOD I born from east religion Sikhism clearcut none duality ok
@ReAnderson90. I AM THE LINE. To love and accept all things good and bad. It is natural to want to be around things that we are alike .birds of a feather flock together. The universe is god including All the Life in every living thing. To be a christian is it not to want to be christ like. I never realized you wanted to have so many wars and take so much food away from so many people. Perception is strange isn't it.
everything is one. if "god" made it, then it's all made of god. all god. all one.
if you made it, is it all made of you.?? He is the potter, we are the clay. His Spirit dwells within His children. When God spoke to Abraham, He was not talking to himself. Ditto Moses and the prophets. Even Jesus, who was one with the Father, was not the Father.
wisedyes if god was all there was before creation and he was one, then what could he use to create other than himself?
@@FungalPsychosis The traditional christian view of God is capable of creating something outside of himself.
Brandon Mather ya creation ex nihilo, i just don’t agree with that idea. if before creation there was nothing but god and he is infinite, him creating something from nothing implies that there was a nothing that existed alongside him. i just don’t see how something infinite can logically create something separate from itself without using its own essence in the process or something else if that makes sense, leading me to monism. if you have any insight i’ll gladly listen
@@FungalPsychosis That's a little silly. Nothing isn't a "thing." Saying that "nothing existed alongside him" is like me saying that I don't have a brother, so it's me and my lack-of-a-brother at the family reunion.
In the beginning of genesis, and even the first letter of the hebrew alphabet (Aleph) man and GOD were one (echad) but were they in the beginning, or was the end being seen from the beginning?
Adam WAS a son of GOD, an image that GOD made man in, to be an image of...
The very word "beginning", also means "firstfruit", a fruit takes a while to grow from a single seed planted in the womb.
Has mankind ever lost his way, or is his way yet to be found....
I know the light shines in me, to which i may not comprehend... but surely when it rises up, I will know who I am ❤
The title is dualistic lol 😁
Mudskipper ☯️
Proof please. thx
this mans view of the passage I and the Father are one is taken out of context Yeshua is not only talking about Himself as the Son being one with the Father.. but he is using "I" in the sense that all men are one with the Father. The Ruach and Nephesh.
Plzhlp. And what’s wrong with that?
The omnipresent GOD imeg my imeg and lights from HIS mouth satnam waheguru waheguru all religions on the heaven's ok
Jesus and God is fine as a nonduality, but what I'm seeing that is so pervasive in those who dabble in studying Christian mysticism, is that soul and God are one also, and this obliterates the relationship with Christ element that is so very important in Christianity. Nonduality seen in this way is a quick road to thinking that one wants to become God.
once I hap'd up on non-duality, it all starting making more sense to me...I've lived in southeast Mississippi for 65 yrs...this is the bastion of dualistic, fundamentalist Christianity...it's hell on earth...it's very divisive and ugly...I will never darken the door of a fundamentalist church ever again.
Advaita Vedanta - over 3800 years ago the Vedic era Hindus came up with a theory that explains/understands the nature of reality, And non-duality is nothing but an english translation of Advaita. If you want to understand non duality, seek Advaita Vedanta in Hinduism. There is no Christian non-duality or a Islamic non duality or an atheistic non duality. You want to learn about non-duality - start with "Atma Vichara" or self-enquiry into WHO AM I - The Ramana Maharishi's way or Adi Shankara's way, or the Ramakrishna's way etc and you will learn about Non-duality. If you want to listen to an lecture on avacado by someone that's never heard of or tasted or seen an avacado then read or listen to Christian or Islamic teachings on something that is not non duality but is fashioned, shaped and served as non-duality just to get you into their fold. The Abrahamic religions are all about an external god - who is separate from the self. This is the core doctrine of all Abrahamic religions. This is the opposite of non-duality. Some well meaning folks interpret the biblical writings as non-duality. This is bogus non-duality. Neither the bible nor the Quran or the Tora explains non-duality. Neither Jesus or Moses or Mohamad talked about or explained non-duality. Some well meaning folks corrupt their teachings.
I can confidently state that self-enquiry is the far superior method to understanding and experiencing non-duality. It helps if you read up and understand what non-dualism or Advaita is all about before you practice self-enquiry. The Question "WHO AM I" will lead you to a hundred other questions..each one is a precious thought by itself. When you can confidently say "Aham Brahmasmi" or "I am Brahman" or could be interpreted as "I am the creator of the Universe - There is no god outside me" I am this formless, eternal being that is not this body or the mind. You have experienced Brahman. or in other words You have understood and experienced Advaita or non-duality. And this's the most profound experience you will ever have in this life as a human manifestation of Brahman.
That’s a very dualistic way of looking at non-duality my brother. It is within all religions if you have the eyes and ears to see it.
@@st.mephisto8564nonsense dwaitins may dislike them but they do not believe that advaitin will burn in hell
@@antiabrahamicreligion I'm anti Abrahamic now. Christianity and non Duality are no compatible with each other. I didn't know any better back the. You are right.
This digestion of Hindu thought and Philosophy by Abrahamists needs to be stopped. I have changed my mind greatly that reply was 2 years ago
1 Timothy 4:1-2
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
Jacob Stanziole so what exactly are you saying?
@@bridgetgullison8848 Everything is God. We are God. Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
@@wisedyes So many people say the idea of god in everything is un-christian
@@TheSkyCactus I was being sarcastic. We are not the Creator. The greatest deception of mankind is that WE are God. As if we are not narcissistic and self absorbed enough. Although I do believe God's Spirit dwells within His people.
@@wisedyes Oh okay sarcasm it's hard to read sarcasm tho but thanks for ur reply
this guy is still talking about "divinity" as if it is something other than what we all are.
I've heard that that is only true at an absolute level. On another level, a more practical level, divinity and creation are separate.
Even the great Advaitin masters speak of duality on the contingent level. Shankaracharya in ancient India and Sri Ramakrishna in modern times emphasized devotion to God as part of the path to liberation.
@@stevenhunter3345 god as deity = devotional path, but because deity is separate, it stops enquiry and living understanding. religions in this way are an escape from liberation and being stuck with a recipe with no juice.
Hello God😉
@@BrandonMather8 no seperation.
Only the ego perceives seperation for survival.
You are God ...you just dreaming your not😉
Jesus was dual, but he was not conscious about it.
I feel like this guy is parsing doctrines in order to make them fit the concept of non-dualism so he can be one of the kool kids. The Shema, from Deut. 6:4, says, "the LORD our God is one LORD"; yet, Christians take that and change it to three Gods--every person of their infamous godhead is considered "a" God. They pray to "Jesus", they pray to the Holy Spirit, and they pray to the Father; but, they never pray to the "godhead" and that puts the lie to their claims of unity. They are as far from non-dualism as the East is from the West.
@david mike
Not at all. People take the Godhead and make it into something nebulous and abstract. Modern trinitarian doctrine clearly shows that God is seen in creation: Anything that exists owes its continued existence to the constant presence of the non-contingent and unconditioned reality which allows for it to exist. This is where the Father is seen.
Every thing that exists is distinguishable, intelligible as distinct from its surroundings and other objects. Every object exists as a part of a pattern, or patterns of patterns, from the gross macro level to the subtle micro level, from the physical level to abstract/spiritual levels. This is Christ, who is not only the patterning voice of god, but the very voice which declares existence into existence, thus the Word.
Every thing in existence exist in relation to everything else in existence, if not in spatial distance than in temporal distance, through cause and effect. These relative causal relations have a spectrum, from selfless wholesome love to cold, wretched selfish desires. Where an object is animated for the sake of love, be it living or non-living, it is done so by the Holy Spirit. What are the fruits of the Holy Spirit, what meaning do they have if not the proliferation of God's will, agape?
Yet, you limit God by saying that God is any of these things. You limit god by saying that God couldn't possibly be any of these things. You limit the almighty by claiming that god wouldn't be something, or couldn't be something, or couldn't be in something, couldn't use something to inspire something else. So, is God his creation? Or is it more like, God is in his creation, and the creation in God? I'm a fan of that latter explanation, that we owe our pure conscious illumination to the Father, who is aware of all things, but in the limited capacity we are aware, what we are aware of is our existence, but we see it and the ego makes it its own and says "I am my existence", but non-dualism and christianity, can make this more like, I am because I am shown that I am, my consciousness is illumined by the ever-present light of God.
David, make no mistake, wherever there is honesty, truth, rationality, you are in the presence of God's light. Wherever the existence of something is being constantly sustained, distinguishable from other things, and animated in honor of the highest form of love, you are in the presence of God. How could it be otherwise? God is the source of all good things.
God once said to St. Catherine of Sienna: "I am, and you are not."
friends, Rohr is not Christian. His views defy historic/biblical Christianity (the views from the earliest church around AD 33). Please research this.
So first he admits duality:
//what we believe is that Jesus is the image of full humanity and full divinity put together; which logically is an impossibility -- you're either one or the other.//
And then he claims that's an affirmation of non-duality:
//So we have non-duality at the core, at the center of the whole mystery.//
"So" meaning as in "therefore"? WTF?
Everybody wants on the non-duality bandwagon I guess.
Christianity -- and every other belief that holds in the simultaneous reality of the physical and the non-physical (spiritual/supernatural/ethereal) as different kinds of real stuff -- IS DUALISTIC.
Why try to cover that up?
Not the kind of thinking I'm doing... :-)
Obviously not
Try distilling the subtle nuance of an argument into a 3 minute video. Explain trinitarian doctrine to a muslim in three minutes.
@@BrandonMather8 well that would be a problem, wouldn't it?
1) "Trinitarian doctrine" is unBiblical.
2) "Trinitarian doctrine" is irrational.
3) "Trinitarian doctrine" is utter bullshit, in the technical sense described by Harry Frankfurt in *On Bullshit* (www.amazon.com/Bullshit-Harry-G-Frankfurt/dp/0691122946)
4) Why would I bother?
5) Why should I care?
My point in that comment is that Rohr gives us a great example of how Christians have been mind-twisted (-f**ked?) into internalizing mutually and absolutely incompatible nonsense in the name of "mystery". "Christian mystery" is just an excuse to forego understanding, in direct violation of Proverbs 2. It's a recipe for eternal ignorance, which I'm pretty sure doesn't belong there wherever it is we're going...
@@BrandonMather8 and on a far simpler level, please explain how brevity gives license for flat-out self-contradiction. That would be interesting! :D
Earth is not a spinning ball floating in space. Non duality doesn't make you Jesus, nor does it make you God. When your being is absorbed in the Holy Trinity you don't become a God, and you don't become Jesus. It makes you humble. That's true Christianity. Orthodoxy. Humbleness. Because you are actually nothing. By the way, Hell and Heaven are real too. And again, you should be 100% convinced that Earth is not a spinning water ball floating in space.
"Eric Dubay" look it up
This is Horrifically FALSE FALSE FALSE