Richard Rohr | Your True Self | You Can't Get There... You Fall There.
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- Author & spiritual reformer Richard Rohr preached about "The Change That Changes Everything" on Sunday, March 25, 2012, at All Saints Church, Pasadena.
"First there is the fall, and then there is the recovery from the fall, both are the Mercy of God".
Readings: Jeremiah 31:31-34 and John 12: 20-33.
For more information on All Saints Church visit our website at www.allsaints-pas.org.
Richard Rohr is incredibly underrated as a spiritual thinker. His books really changed my spiritual trajectory during some very dark times. I think the book he is referencing here is called Immortal Diamond, and it's an incredible book I recommend to anyone watching this. ✝️🍄✝️🍄✝️🍄✝️🍄
Yes, it is Immortal Diamond.
I wish I could just sit with him for a day. An hour. He has changed my life immeasurably.
I had a profound encounter with God in January (yes through Jesus) and was told of several deep wisdoms that is hard to put to words because it so different to what I'm perceiving the average Christian understands. Richard Rohr has this message too it seems. Grateful to see these teachings come through other people. I feel validated and inspired to write about my encounter.
Father Rohr understands the heart of Christianity. I pray that Christians come to understand what it really means to be a Christian.
Every time. EVERY TIME I hear Richard speak, I see a realization of the Holy Spirit. “ Here comes everybody.” See with the eyes of God, people. It’s so simple it’s hard to teach. It’s a matter of WHEN. When are we going to get it? Please do not wait until the last five days of life. We need your eyes NOW.
@William Oarlock Just no.
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Thank you for making this available. 🙂
What Father Rohr shares is very Un-programed Quaker faith. As we sit in stillness, without a priest. We are paying attention to the God within and, at times, sharing what is in us as we connect. A connection with God and with our community and the world, all at once. Peace to you who pay attention to that which is Holy within and without and never let go of the Holy for the rest of the week or life.
Father Richard is a blessing🙏
I love this so so much. It changed my day. I want to thank you from the heart for posting it.
Glad you enjoyed it! It's important stuff!
“That’s not me, that’s not me.”
That is so powerful. All the things society has made us believe, our parents, our teachers.
That’s no me. Xx
Thank you.
I cry through all talks-Truth brings this and spoken so elegantly always by you. This talk is absolute Truth. I’m a student of spirituality for many years and see you as a gift to all.
This process of "dying" and allowing God, by his grace, to begin opening my eyes (and slowly defeating my dualistic mentality) has been an interesting ride. One thing Richard mentioned in another video that has stuck with me and very much given me a new view of things was the concept of (us) "forgiving an imperfect world". Today, while sitting in Costco, having a hotdog and Coke, I glanced at the shoppers around me and my usual judgmental evaluations ("She's fat", "He's a slob", "What a RUDE person", "What a terrible dresser", etc., etc., etc. were largely removed and the sensation of being a living prayer and loving those around me was happily present. All I can say is..........Richard is right on target and God is FULL of grace...!!!
God Loves Every-THING
@@DocJoby to love everything is to love nothing.
@@almilligan7317 to Love nothing is to love nothing. Jesus loves everything, especially his enemies.
@@DocJoby Is death a thing? Is adultery a thing? Are dead babies things? These seem to be things in the universe.
@@almilligan7317 God created them, yes.
Love you Richard rohr ❤❤❤❤
Such a beautiful talk, thank you 🙏
Sugary sophistry you mean.
"You can't jump in the arms of God. You have to fall." from "Falling Man" by the band Fono
Love it , love it , 👏👏👏👏
Great message Fr. Rohr!!!
thank you for the support of the message Michael! We need "inner-authority", not blind followers of "outer-authority"!
Wow. He just told rich people and doctors and lawyers that their achievements are nothing and “just sort of stupid”. Seriously who has this kind of truth and boldness? And that everyone has this Immortal Diamond and the only difference is the degree to which they’re living into the awareness of it. My God this can change the world. If we just listen and allow it to be done unto us.
95% of the world's people are not "rich" people, doctors or lawyers - most live in abject poverty and can't even provide for themselves let alone help anyone else and most of them are no closer to God than the next.
Ecclesiastics says it all really
very rich, thanks for sharing
Thank you!🙏❤️
Love you ❤❤❤
Thank you muchly
Thank you for for appreciating this important video!!
Wow!
Brilliant
Listen carefully starting 12:07.
Halleluiah
See with the eyes of God? How is that possible? There is no way we can ever manipulate our brain to see with the eyes of God. How could we - we are certainly not capable of that!! It may be that we have an idea about God where we feel we know God well enough to see what he sees, but how do we know he even has eyes? I am a faithful believer but I do not pretend to see God. I do have strong feelings for God and the Word of God. Those feelings are guided not by my eyes. They are guided by the feelings of love God has given me for Him and others. What could be better than that? Respectfully submitted.
Amen.
Yes, you need to drop the “me”, the conditionings of the mind the personalities, becoming open, transparent, empty, innocent but of course not naive, reevaluating and the stories what we’re telling about ourselves need to fall away. Isn’t it not worthy in this way to be in the presence of God?
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Thank you for your comments Margarete!! They help this video reach more people! This message from Richard Rohr is important for humanity!! :)
Such a good God Daddy!
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This is called Love, thank you father ❤️
If I'd had a parish priest like Richard Rohr, I wouldn't have excommunicated myself from the Church at age 13 in 1960. I "fell" to the Advaita Vedanta, and it includes everything Rohr says here and much more. It's where the Church would have gone if Constantine hadn't won the battle of Milvian Bridge in Rome and politicized the faith. This priest understand what the real Christ is, and it's not a historical character put here by God. It's the Real Self the Catholic Church kills in all of while we're young so it has mental slaves for life.
Where's this full sermon?
Truth is....un truth is not....thank you Father Rohr🕉☯️❤️🙏🏼
Is the part of us that experiences lust (sexual fantasy, grasping for sexual experiences, etc.) an aspect of the false self?
I think it is a natural instinct that has gone astray. Sexual desire and attraction are vital to the continuation of life. Lust is a thing that can be placed within the ego, it is purely based in selfishness.
For a sufi, it's painful to see this master teaching spirituality steps and to see the commentaries, saying it's not authentic christian teachings or cursing him etc.
As it is sad to see Sufi imams teaching and people warning others from him...
But I think maybe he needs to speak about the revival of human being. Spiritual life is a resurrection. After you died, you live a new life. Same in Islam. "We shall resuscitate him for a sweet life" coranic verse. I'm sure there is a verse of the bible or the gospel with the same words or close.
Ephesians 2:1
Gnosticism.
WE MUST ALL REALIZE THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN
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You’re either born again (John 3:3), or you’re not. I just don’t understand all the psycho babble about the true or false self…. Now Sanctification I get as we are all at different stages in our relationship with Christ, but our true self is found in Christ. This message is to me, for an infant in Christ at best. Paul says that we’ve put on the new self. There’s no false self just the old self that has died!!! There’s just now either a disobedient self or an immature self… Read your Bibles.
What does it mean to be born again?
@@DocJoby John 3:3! 😬 It’s spiritual. God takes us from being dead in our trespasses and sins, and makes us alive to Christ. We who believe have passed from spiritual death, to spiritually alive in Christ. He puts His Spirit in those who repent and believe in Christ Jesus. From death to life.
Only the Trinitarian God has a "divine nature." But Rohr states at 8:45 that all mean have a "divine nature." He also puts up a lot of straw men. Don't be taken in by this. Check out what Perennialism is because Rohr is one of its biggest advocates.
TheExastrologer
what are the straw men?
Genesis1:27 "So God created mankind in his own image." You are saying that the "image" of God is not divine?
I thought the concept of the Trinity is not even specified in the Scriptures. What makes you so convinced that "only the Trinitarian God has a divine nature?"
@@3coblue God is divine but mankind, or should l say humankind, is not. Your logic is skewed.
@@jen9774There is no point in saying "Your logic is skewed" if you don't logically explain how it is skewed in conjunction with the bible verse.
@@3coblue Rohr is a false teacher he doesn't preach the actual atonement that Jesus died for sin.
He preaches non dualism. He does have wisdom but it's not the gospel
Nice idea absolutely zero instruction on how to get there and he is looking down on everyone. So destroy your life and let God catch you. I’ll pass. He attended the Jesus school of random thoughts cryptic messages.
What do you believe?
A TRUE DECEIVER OF THE TRUE WORD OF THE LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST THIS MAN IS NOT A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN IN THE HOLY SPIRIT HE IS OF THE RC MYSTIC DEMONIC REALM
Can you help me understand which specific teachings of Jesus you think are being misrepresented here? How do you interpret the messages of love, compassion, and mercy that Jesus emphasized?
@@DocJoby EVEN SATAN COMES AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT AND SO DO HIS MINISTERS
@@TheElizabethashby why are you implying that Richard Rohr is akin to Satan or a deceiver?
@@DocJoby SATAN COMES AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT AND SO DO HIS MINISTERS THEY ARE DECEIVERS OF THE TRUE WORE OF GOD JESUS
Antiquated theologian from the temple God era. Fools. It's 2020
Richard Rohr wants us to evolve.
JESUS IS GOD AND ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM HAS EVERLASTING LIFE - ROHR DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MAN IS A LIAR OF GOD JESUS WORD
Richard Rohr states that Jesus is God.
@@DocJoby SO DOES SATAN AND HIS MINISTERS - READ YOUR BIBLE SO YOU WONT BE DECEIVED BY THAT MAN
@@DocJoby SATAN KNOWS THAT AND SO DOES HIS MINISTERS
READ YOUR BIBLE SO YOU ARE NOT DECEIVED
No! We don’t have it in us all along. We are sons of perdition until we accept Jesus and his teaching. This is heresy that leads to destruction. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through him!
Jesus was a great heretic. Richard Rohr is a great heretic too. If you believe in Jesus you stop hunting heretics.
@@DocJoby Except when they deny the atonement. Richard Rohr is leading people to hell.
@@charliedontsurf334 does he deny the atonement?
this guy is insufferable
What do you believe?
A Rohring lion destroy everything in its path. If anyone preaches another Gospel or if Paul himself preaches another Gospel let him be accursed. The Christ is not a cosmic code word. That is the Gnostic heresy. But I delivered to you what I received from the Lord, that on the night he was crucified... Rohring lion is no different in his message than the Buddhist and the idea of the beginningless mind. Laughing at the cross and the idea of God's love is anti-Christ. In Christ we have hope. Christianity wasn't a final hope for history. Here Rohr again and again misrepresent the gospel. For God so loved the world that WHOEVER receives him he gave power to become a child of God. Not the world. He showed them his hands and side because he was dead and disciples did not believe their eyes. It is no surprize that Rohring lion uses John's gospel so much. John has been called the gnostic gospel. In Mark's gospel the disciples do not go down to Gallili to meet Jesus. Here again Rohring lion misquotes the gospel saying to Thomas believe in the Cosmic Christ when it was Thomas himself who said he would not believe that Jesus had been raised unless he could put his fingers in the nail print, which he in fact doesn't do. The Catholic church has argued that Rohr's is a heretical gospel. So now where do the poor and those who are lost go for salvation since it is obvious Rohring lion isn't talking to them. Beware of those who come in my name saying he's here, he's there. The very elite will fall into this lie. That is the job of the ante-Christ, to divide and mock the real Christ, a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks. How many times does Rohring lion say that the simple understanding of the Crucifiction and the Resurrection is foolishness and makes fun and laughs at those simple minded idiots?
I LOVE the cross. Richard Rohr LOVES the cross. You are free to believe the things that you wish to believe sir. We are here speaking about the movement from "outer authority" to "inner-authority". Listening to "outer-authority" lead to the event of Jesus being nailed to the cross. If the people listened to the aboriginal vicar of Christ in their hearts... if they searched in their conscience, they would not have condemned Jesus, they would've seen the TRUTH, the GOODNESS, and the BEAUTY in his words. Fr. Richard supports the importance of the cross, and with the LOVE of God, I think you would be able to see that.
@@DocJoby Begs the question. Simply because I disagree with you and Rohr I don't have the love of God. Ad hominem. The gospel is that Jesus had to die on the cross forsaken by God and man. Read Mark's gospel where it is said that Jesus died a ransom for many. But you don't buy the atonement, that Jesus paid the price for our sins? And neither do you have to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved? That's merely a cultural interpretation to the cosmic idea. You would love the beginningless mind (cosmic Christ) of the Mahayana Buddhists like Richard Gere. Your theology is divisive and elitist. Nor is there a need in your thinking for the communion of the body and blood of Jesus Christ the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
@@almilligan7317 you can believe what you want Al. You're allowed in my church. I love you.
@@DocJoby What does that mean? You can believe what you want? A lie? Sorry I don't have that option to believe what I want. If that was the case, that I have the right to believe what I wanted, there would be no objective reality. I do have a right under the laws of this country to worship the devil if I want. But I don't have the right under God to believe what I want. For example, I can not believe that Jesus is not God's son and call myself a Christian. Islam says that if I believe that I deserve death. That is the point when we undermine the gospel with relativity and abstractions. To differentiate from Jesus from the cosmic Christ is to know the mind of God beyond what we can experience. It is death of God. Like Nietzsche says, God is dead, and we killed him. That is RR to me.
God bless you. May your mind be opened so you will be able to see the spirit of God in all you meet and see. Fr. Richard Rohr is a gift that keeps on giving. I pray you keeping listening and receiving... the world will become a more peaceful place. If we can set aside our petty differences, we will begin to truly live as Christ would have us live. Please listen more carefully and try to set aside the dogma you seem to cling so tightly to. You might find that Christ is for all of us.
He is preaching another Gospel. Not the Gospel of the Bible. He mis-quoted Scripture...
Where did he misquote?
Why was he wrong?
@@DocJoby He half quoted Scripture then used it out of context to support his unbiblical version of the Gospel. If you listen to his other presentations and read his writings then compare them to historic Christianty - what was preached by Peter, John, Paul, Jude, James. And it's no good taking phrases of their writings without giving due respect to the context - you will see that it all departs from beliefs and practices found in the NT. Start with a Word, then, phrase, paragraph, the topic being discussed, book/Epistle, the wider message of Scripture. For example: Jesus is the only way, all other religions/ways are false; we are not divine (nothing in us is Divine); we are dead in trespasses and sin; salvation is by faith in the finished work of Jesus; we must be born again to become spiritually alive; Easter mystic practices are not a route to salvation, as they lead to a more profound delusion.
@@DocJoby Rohr presents a "religion" - a "way" - full of Eastern mystical practices. Yes, they are to be found in the Desert Fathers, but they got them from the Far East and added them to "Christian" practice. If you subscribe to RC theology, then this will seem acceptable (as it concurs with the RC catachism) esp considering its reverance for "tradition", but if you are a 5 solas Christian you see Rohr for what he is: a wolf in sheep's clothing. Read Gal. Ch1 and you will see the seriousness of his position. He is about as Christian in his teaching as a Hindu, Buddhist, Shaman, .....
@@philjones7351 why did they preach that “Jesus” is the “only way” and what does that mean? Where does this guide us?
@@DocJoby The Apostles preached Jesus as the only way because Jesus said it: I am the the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. All other ways lead to death, not life. If the founder of the Christian faith (God incarnate) taught this how can anyone dare to teach anything different? As to what He meant, any other system you can choose will not save you. You must believe that Jesus was the Christ, God manifest in the flesh, sinless, that He gave His life in your place and that by accepting Him as both Lord and Saviour you are accepted by God and become born again. Anything else leads to destruction; a lost eternity. How don't you know this?
This guy is the Santa Claus of rhetorical constructs. He has a bag full. There is no self. There is no higher self or lower self or true self or false self. We are consciousness. Individuated, loosely bound, consciousness. We vary in how refined, expanded, evolved our consciousness might be - which is a function of experience, which is a function of lifetimes lived. We are not all on the same lap around this oval called life. We may be many hundreds of laps apart. The lower number laps are prone to exoteric belief systems that paint things in black and white and offer carrot and stick constructions for achieving something with eternal consequences, both good or bad. Christianity is the most primitive of these constructs offering sensational promises and threats realized only after death - the ultimate carrot and stick, superstitious motif aimed at the most simple minded/lesser evolved who would respond and react to promises and threats. This man is a young soul preaching pure fiction yet he is completely overtaken by it. He may well remain with one foot nailed to the ground and go in circles for hundreds of incarnations on end. He is in love with his bag of mental constructions. All derived from a book of fiction. So say I. So said Albert Einstein and Thomas Jefferson.
Brother. I believe that many of your criticisms of "Christianity" are covered in this video. Richard Rohr does not believe in the punitive God that you describe. Nor is he denying that we all have individual consciousnesses. He is describing what he has called "The True Self", and he is distinguishing this from "The False Self" which are the ideas in your head about what you are, i.e. "Christian, Conservative, Republican, black". The constructs in your head are not 100% accurate, they are not real, and Richard is only saying that there is something deeper, more real, more true, more complete.
@Doctor Joby He's wrong. There is nothing deeper that what we are. If he is alluding to essence, then yes, we can be reduced to something pure - pure consciousness. But it is non-objective. It is an infinity. This man poeticizes. He philosophizes. He creates constructs. Abstractions that exist only between his ears. He's a populist. He tells people over and over again exactly what they want to hear to make them feel special, safe and apart from the rest in ways that gain them special favor and dispensation. If he doesn't believe in a punitive god then he isn't a Christian. Christianity revolves around the false notion of sin - and sin necessarily bifurcates those aligned with the pseudo Christian god from those non-aligned - and the non-aligned miss out on the after party at Club Nirvana - which is judgment applied. This man knows nothing. You know nothing. You are playing make believe and not only do you not realize it, but you can't understand it when explained to you - which is why I say theists have non-functioning brains. You are perfectly deluded. If there is some type of sentient singularity that belies the phenomenal and that may have engendered it - something you might assign the label god unto - not only do we not know it - but we can't know it as it would lay outside space/time unto which we are consigned and confined. If there are other dimensions, we are not privy to them - nor to anything that might derive from those dimensions. You are playing make believe and you refuse to see it. Does it require intelligence to beget intelligence? It seems very plausible. The universe may well have had an intelligent source. But we do not know it and we can't know it and we can't infer it through "a priori" philosophical rumination - all teleological, ontological, cosmological, causal, and moral arguments aside. Existence has to be demonstrated. It can't be argued. You do not argue something into existence. And you can't assert the existence of something ostensibly formless, non-local, and unbounded. It would be like objectifying the unified field.
Truth is known when one who does not agree with another still gives them worth, respect and grace..just a thought
I don't know what the fuck you just said, but you are obviously a kool aid drinker, in support of this charlatan and avoiding all the substance of my post to instead attack my, my what exactly? Where are my words robbing him of worth, or grace or whatever? This man has zero interest in truth. He is on this planet to hear himself talk. That's all.
God is love.