Shantungosaurus | The "Untouchable" Hadrosaur | Giant Dinosaur

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  • Shantungosaurus was the largest Hadrosaurid Dinosaur EVER! 15.5 metres long, 16 metric tonnes... Shantungosaurus was a massive beast. Hence, It has earned the nickname 'The Untouchable Hadrosaur' since its discovery in 1973. But was Shantungosaurus really untouchable? In this video we discuss the growth of Hadrosaurrs and the subsequent struggle of Sauropods. I put into perspective just how large Shantungosaursu was (F*CKING MASSIVE) and conclude whether or not it deserves the 'Untouchable Status'.
    Corrections: I meant facultative... not facultive. (Im terrible with words lol)
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 172

  • @Paleofactus
    @Paleofactus  Рік тому +24

    Quiz question: which word did I say wrong in this video? (I did it as a test and DID NOT say it wrong due to my useless year 9 English teacher... Miss Mais)😢

    • @Lenny-by8qs
      @Lenny-by8qs Рік тому +2

      I'm not sure but in the video you said tarbosaurus lived with zhuchengtyrannus. I'm not saying that's wrong but I thought zhuchengtyrannus lived in the djadochta formation around 75 to 71 million years ago while the tarbosaurus lived in the nemegt formation around 70 to 66 million years ago (you said it at 6:52)

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +5

      @@Lenny-by8qs aha I didn't even realise this. You're right, Tarbosaurus came about a few million years later than I thought, it's probable that shantungosaurus never actually shared it's habitat with Tarbosaurus. Thank you for bringing this to my attention!

    • @HassanMohamed-jy4kk
      @HassanMohamed-jy4kk Рік тому +2

      Are you going to think of a suggestion and creating a UA-cam Videos all about the Extinct Marine Mammals, Steller’s Sea Cows (Hydrodamalis gigas), also known as the Northern Sea Cows, or the Great Northern Sea Cows on the next Paleofactus coming up next?!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍
      Please Comment Me And Let Me Know Right Away Now!!

    • @erichtomanek4739
      @erichtomanek4739 Рік тому +2

      @@HassanMohamed-jy4kk
      And Carribbean Monk Seal!
      I've also read there was a Red Sea Seal species; was this the Mediterranean Monk Seal or its subspecies or a separate species?
      Although there's no evidence (I think), I'd like to think there was a dozen or so species of Monk Seal girdling the tropical and subtropical seas!

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim Рік тому +1

      @@erichtomanek4739 Also there are the Desmostylids (members of Afrotheria if I remember right) and some type of ground sloth that were also marine. And tons of Pinnipeds in the fossil record, including all kinds of walrus relatives with weird (or no) tusks, as one small example. And then Cetacea, a whole bunch more. Quite a few extinct marine mammals!

  • @Jogabsha
    @Jogabsha Рік тому +81

    Finally someone giving them real credit as dinosaurs

  • @commandershepardmessiah3345
    @commandershepardmessiah3345 Рік тому +114

    Shantangosaurus and even edmontosaurus, I consider them to be the Moose equivalent of dinosaurs. And if you know just how much of a massive muscular beast Moose are especially the bulls then you'll get it.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +13

      Great comparison. Thank you for the comment my friend!

    • @matthewgordon9341
      @matthewgordon9341 Рік тому +15

      Yea fr I have a pretty big sedan and I drove by a female moose one time and even the female made my car look small which is frightening

    • @surgeonsergio6839
      @surgeonsergio6839 Рік тому +2

      They don't have antlers. They're more like horses.

    • @Viperboi-qn5of
      @Viperboi-qn5of Рік тому +2

      ​@@surgeonsergio6839i think he didn't meant 80% the same it's probably just an comparison with dize in mind

    • @theoofer478
      @theoofer478 Рік тому +1

      @@Viperboi-qn5ofMoose and hadrosaurs are extremely different. End of story.

  • @marcellus_h7930
    @marcellus_h7930 Рік тому +47

    Edmontosaurus annectens was also capable of reaching a size of 15 m and a weight of 15 tons. Shantungosaurus was like 17 m and sometimes 18 tons at its largest.
    Parasaurolophus cyrtocristatus grew to a max of 13 tons also. Magnapaulia could also reach 10+ tons weight.
    It's worth mentioning however that these numbers are very rarely achieved by these hadrosaurs and are representing the "superadult" specimens. The average weight for these were around half of what I've stated above, since the mortality of younger hadrosaurs was very high due to predation. Although iirc the study of cross-sections of the femur bones suggests a very fast growth rate for these animals.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +7

      Tbh I haven't heard these numbers so far in my research. I did base all of the numbers I gave in this video on the most recent research on the average size of the given species/genera. That's very interesting though. I read a few sources that stated that the bones of shantungosaurus were much thicker than that of other large hadrosaurs, suggesting a higher muscle mass and therefore a higher overall weight. I struggled to find exact measurements for this however, as there seems to be a lack of documented research on shantungosaurus. Thanks for the comment, and if you have any suggested research papers for me to read, I'd really appreciate a link.

    • @RAESP1TE
      @RAESP1TE Рік тому

      ​@@Paleofactusik my comments a bit late but they'd need to email you it or something as youtube will delete all links and so far every work around I've seen... Im also stating this for anyone who stumbles into this chain like me but didnt know that!

  • @erichtomanek4739
    @erichtomanek4739 Рік тому +35

    Q: What do you call a group of Shantungosaurus?
    A: An Untouchable.
    Excellent video, informative and visually appealing.
    The distended shnoz skin amplifying their vocalisations reminds me of Walking with Dinosaurs' Muttaburrasaurus.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      Thank you so much. I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @thomasmonroe7947
    @thomasmonroe7947 Рік тому +14

    There’s some minor inaccuracies and word deconstruction going on ( facultative not facultive) but I’m very pleased to see someone shining a light of a very much overlooked giant. Keep it up!

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for bringing this up, I actually noticed this mistake while typing out the subtitles and it frustrated me a lot lol. Out of curiosity, can you remember any of the inaccuracies? I only ask for my own benefit. Oh, and Thanks for the comment my friend!

    • @thomasmonroe7947
      @thomasmonroe7947 Рік тому +1

      @@Paleofactus hmmmm. Perhaps I should have used a term like ‘probable speculation’ as opposed to ‘inaccuracies’. The evolution of flowering plants, to me, probably occurred for a variety of reasons other than the specialized feeding of hadrosaurs VS. sauropods. Just an area of interest that, my opinion, still needs further exploration. And, if tyrannosaurids did pack up to level the playing field, I think a Shangtungosaurus herd would always be ripe for exploitation. Careful exploitation. So, my word usage was blatantly wrong in the negative vein. But I’m sure there were numerous novice carnivores that wound up with bashed in heads as part of a learning curve….in every succeeding generation as well.
      Still, this was one of the best hadrosaur breakdowns I’ve run across on UA-cam about one of my favorite sauropod sized hadrosaurs.
      Subscribed, liked and will be stopping in to get schooled.
      Awesome channel.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      @@thomasmonroe7947 some good points my friend. Thank you very much for the comment. I'm glad to have gained a subscriber!

  • @martincoleman3922
    @martincoleman3922 Рік тому +7

    Great video again PaleoFactus. Great to see you on screen, makes the documentary a lot more enjoyable and amusing. Let’s have some more.

  • @DerKalko
    @DerKalko Рік тому +5

    my guy played the isle legacy

  • @axelnova123
    @axelnova123 Рік тому +7

    Amazing video quality. I really hope your channel picks up some traction in the coming months, you deserve it homie.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      me too lol!! This was a very kind comment, thank you very much!

  • @elroboustein9102
    @elroboustein9102 5 днів тому +1

    Finally, they mention this non-sauropod hadrosaur that would possibly surpass any theropod today, including the t rex

  • @thomashelmka6438
    @thomashelmka6438 Рік тому +12

    Predators are opportunistic and often prey on the old/young/weak. So sure an adult Hadrosaur in their prime as part of a flock was off the menu but the species as a whole was certainly preyed upon.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +2

      Yeah I agree entirely tbh. It's silly to suggest that an entire species was entirely unkillable in every scenario. Makes for a good, dramatic video, but I do agree with you.

  • @sksk-bd7yv
    @sksk-bd7yv Рік тому +2

    Thank you! This vid gave me the great&happy-info smile. You know, like when you stumble upon a treasure, like finding a 10£ note hidden among the sofa cushions. 😊

  • @dee6349
    @dee6349 Рік тому +4

    Yo awesome video, big fan of your work so far, can’t wait to see what you have next

  • @nakoruruwantspepsi1556
    @nakoruruwantspepsi1556 Рік тому +2

    Yay! Youre back! I really like this new format! Also I'm always happy to learn about dinosaurs I gavent before

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      This comment means a lot. Thank you very much my friend!!

  • @Akki-oe5hi
    @Akki-oe5hi Рік тому +2

    Love the the isle clips

  • @BronyLord-wo1ym
    @BronyLord-wo1ym 6 місяців тому +1

    Hadrosauridae is a very interesting species of Dinosaur. Acrocanthosaurus is my favorite Theropod, Now looking to see which is my favorite Duck - Billed Dinosaur...

  • @RomulusTheWild6693
    @RomulusTheWild6693 Рік тому +2

    1:06 that was halarious😂

  • @soudino2723
    @soudino2723 Рік тому +6

    palaeoloxodon namadicus and paraceratherium were probably equivalent in size or even larger than shantungosaurus

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      Yeah, it's questionable. Neither of them really come close in terms of physical length and height. But both were extremely robust, estimated to reach over 20 tons at their heaviest. But then again, shantungosaurus has also been estimated at over 20 tons at extreme weights. I still stand by shantungosaurus for now but I plan on making videos on both of those giant mammals in the near future so I might end up changing my mind??? Thanks for the comment mate, and stay tuned!

  • @TravisMcInroy
    @TravisMcInroy Рік тому +2

    If we compare T. rex at 12.3m and 9 metric tonnes to Shantungosaurus at 15.5m and 16 metric tonnes, that would be the equivalent of me (175cm, 79kg) trying to move a person of 220.5cm and 140.44kg.

  • @abbiebrowne9781
    @abbiebrowne9781 Рік тому +3

    Great video! Love the new format (and the shirt)

  • @michaelblevins1651
    @michaelblevins1651 Рік тому +2

    I like the sue of the Isle’s Shant I hope when they put it in Evrima In a biped form

  • @andypanda4927
    @andypanda4927 Рік тому +5

    While dubious T.Rex was pack hunting, it is possible. Harris Hawks cooperatively hunt, just, not likely to, generously share like African Painted Dogs will.

    • @evilcrashbandicootthetouho2753
      @evilcrashbandicootthetouho2753 Рік тому +1

      If the Asian Rex was close to the American one they could hunt this zebra too 🍖 eating animals all time's hunting something bigger than themselves even in the sea in airs

  • @BEERWAR
    @BEERWAR Рік тому +1

    eyyyyy nice to see my videos years later come in use for something ^^

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      Hey man, it was real handy finding some good video game footage of shantungosaurus. Thanks for making that content and being cool about me using bro!

    • @BEERWAR
      @BEERWAR Рік тому

      @@Paleofactus was a great vid! I enjoyed it look forward to your content to come!

  • @hvostgallika
    @hvostgallika Рік тому +1

    Aw yes, The Isle's finest tank

  • @gamersletsplay1195
    @gamersletsplay1195 Рік тому +3

    Edmontosaurus Annectens could possibly grow to a similar size as Shantungosaurus since its prosumed to be Hell Creeks largest non Sauropod animal. Tho it might be a little smaller than the Highest estimates of Shantungosaurus .

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      From what I can tell, even these higher estimates are nowhere near as heavy as shantungosaurus. But I'm getting a lot of comments regarding how big edmontosaurus annectens could grow, so im starting to think that there's a paper or two that I've missed in my research. Thanks for the comment and let me know if you have any sources that will make sense of this.

  • @jking8054
    @jking8054 Рік тому +3

    Shantungosaurus was most likely about 18-20 tons

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      The most compelling study I read, averaged Shantungosaurus at about 15.5 metric tonnes. But it's almost certain that individuals would have reached those higher estimates. Thanks for the comment mate!!

  • @enricopaolocoronado2511
    @enricopaolocoronado2511 10 місяців тому +1

    Been binging a lot of dinosaur related videos and now I'm just raring to write a dinosaur novel where some of the characters ride dinosaurs around like horses, including the Shantungosaurus.

  • @sksk-bd7yv
    @sksk-bd7yv Рік тому +2

    Could you please lower the volume of the background music? As I am hearing impaired, a loud background makes it very hard to distinguish your voice.
    Cheers!

  • @Psalm1101
    @Psalm1101 10 місяців тому +1

    They were what I call a real dinosaur all around

  • @ianmcdougall4930
    @ianmcdougall4930 Рік тому +1

    Big Shantungus

  • @tawnyt3935
    @tawnyt3935 Рік тому +3

    I feel like there are a lot of theories in relation to morphology here stated a little too objectively but otherwise this was a good and interesting video that gives credit where it's due.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      It's true, I have a habit of stating compelling theories as fact. It makes for a more interesting and engaging script but I will definitely keep this in mind for the future. Thank you for the comment my friend! (I wonder if I could put a disclaimer at the start of my videos, explaining that the following explanations are theories, not fact. after all paleontology is basically all speculation, but I like focusing on specific theories for the sake of storytelling) let me know what you think of this, perhaps people would prefer for me to go into more detail on all of the theories instead?

    • @tawnyt3935
      @tawnyt3935 Рік тому +1

      @@Paleofactus More detail is always better in my opinion! It's interesting to know what logic goes into the theories.

  • @skullrum7893
    @skullrum7893 Рік тому +1

    huaxiaosaurus it's a true Titan 18 m long and 20 tons a sub species of shantungosaurus, considered XL shantungosaurus brother

  • @nickkorkodylas5005
    @nickkorkodylas5005 11 місяців тому +1

    Naming it was a wasted opportunity. Shantung is Chinese for east mountain, in greek Shantungosaurus would translate as Anatolorosaurus that would be a perfect double if not quadruple entendre referring to its place of origin, it's relation to Anatosaurus, its beaks' semblance to a duck and a swan as well as its relative size compared to Anatosaurus.

  • @vilx1308
    @vilx1308 11 місяців тому +1

    Fun fact: people in province Shang dong today are still taller compared to rest of China, quite tall even in global standards, something is going on with the land

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  11 місяців тому

      That's really interesting. Thanks for the fun fact mate!

  • @parkerpshebnisky1051
    @parkerpshebnisky1051 Рік тому +1

    I love the hadrosaurs!

  • @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319

    Subscribed 🦖

  • @Jarod-vg9wq
    @Jarod-vg9wq 10 місяців тому +1

    “Untouchable” depends what carnivores lived in its environment during its time? Was there any large predators?

    • @wildlifeisthewealthofnatur5457
      @wildlifeisthewealthofnatur5457 2 місяці тому +1

      Even T rex will most likely fail to hunt an adult. Large predators in their environment was a tyrannosaurid named zuchengtyrannus whose length was like 35 feet. Even a pair of them wouldn't be able to hunt a healthy adult Shatungosaurus. It would require a pack.

  • @DudeInADinoOnesie
    @DudeInADinoOnesie Рік тому +2

    Big phrog

  • @surgeonsergio6839
    @surgeonsergio6839 Рік тому +2

    Shant isn't the largest non sauropod land animal. There are numerous mammals much larger, paleoloxodon, paraceratherium etc.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      I don't know about much larger. There are some speculative studies that put those mammals at over 20 tons but the same goes for shantungosaurus really. Although that study is particularly questionable. Regardless, those mammals are definitely strong rivals at the very least and I do plan on making videos on them soon. Thanks for the comment

    • @elroboustein9102
      @elroboustein9102 4 дні тому

      The issue here is about non-sauropod dinosaurs, they are not talking about the true largest mammal land animal

    • @surgeonsergio6839
      @surgeonsergio6839 4 дні тому

      ​@@elroboustein9102 3:28 He called the shant the largest non sauropod land animal ever.

    • @elroboustein9102
      @elroboustein9102 4 дні тому

      @@surgeonsergio6839 Uhm, I see, it sounds a little confusing, but maybe he meant that it was the non-sauropod animal that was big for his own time

    • @surgeonsergio6839
      @surgeonsergio6839 4 дні тому

      @@elroboustein9102 That's not what is meant by saying, "x is the y-iest thing EVER" but, ok.

  • @binxbolling
    @binxbolling 7 місяців тому

    Their young were probably the targets of predators, not the adults.

  • @firenado1674
    @firenado1674 Рік тому +3

    i feel like u dont need to put ur face in these videos, so it dosent distract the viewers from the main content, and it feels more professional on a documentary level

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +2

      So far, the analytics for this video have shown me that putting my face in it is a good idea. I think overall, it's going to help me reach my target audience better. Starting this channel, I wanted to make paleontology fun and entertaining and accessible to all people so I think adding my face is a step in the right direction. Thank you for the comment though. I'm in the process of upgrading my studio setting so that may help it to look more professional.

    • @firenado1674
      @firenado1674 Рік тому

      @@Paleofactus big g thomas was huge before he decided to put his face in every other frame, dont get me wrong hes a handsome fella, but it just breaks the immersion

  • @bababoey6532
    @bababoey6532 Рік тому +1

    Arent newer estimates of edmontosaurus annectens close in size to shantungosaurus

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      Yeah, I'm not completely up to date with them but there are definitely some larger estimates that I didn't account for in this video but should have. Shantungosaurus is still the largest but almost definitely not double that of edmontosaurus as suggested in the video.... Oopsies, lol.

  • @IndominusRex-wc1ey
    @IndominusRex-wc1ey Рік тому +1

    "At over double the weight of every other species of hadrosaur"
    Edmontosaurus annectens and Parasaurolopgus cyrtocristatus, rivalling Shantungosaurus giganteus in size:

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      My research doesn't reflect your comments. The values stated in this video are averages for a given species. Both edmontosaurus and parasaurolophus average at way lower masses. They were capable of very large sizes in certain circumstances but particularly large shantungosaurus specimens have been estimated at over 20 tons. Im pretty sure that the bone sizes themselves (as in their diameter) reflect just how much larger shantungosaurus was compared to others. Thank you for the comment though and let me know if you find any research that contradicts what I've read.

    • @IndominusRex-wc1ey
      @IndominusRex-wc1ey Рік тому +1

      @@Paleofactus this statement conflicts with what I've been told. A few months ago I was told S. giganteus weighing 20 tonnes has been disproven, rather 16 tonnes being a better weight, which would put it in-line with Edmontosaurus annectens, which has potential for 15 tonnes and confirmations of 11 tonnes, alongside P. cyrtocristatus which has 13 tonne potential and based off a footprint calc (so take it with a bucket of salt since footprint calcs are more shoddy than dentary scaling) has 18 tonne potential

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      @@IndominusRex-wc1ey I'll have to look into it further, I'll correct myself in the description I can confirm that stuff. Thanks for the information dude.

  • @xanshen9011
    @xanshen9011 Рік тому +2

    Wouldnt paleoloxodon namadicus and paraceratherium actually be the largest non-sauropod terrestrial creatures? Not shantungosaurus?

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      I've had another comment saying this. I think it's debatable. Neither of those were as physically large in terms of length or height but they were extremely heavy with some estimation exceeding 20 tons. The thing is that shantungosaurus has also had upper estimations of over 20 tons so it's probably just one of those situations where you can get away with saying either really. I plan on making a video on those mammals soon so perhaps my mind will be changed after some extensive research.

    • @xanshen9011
      @xanshen9011 Рік тому

      @@Paleofactus “Largest creature” title is usually determined by weight rather then height or length. In that case then the lions mane jellyfish would the the most largest creature ever rather than the blue whale because its longer, or a giraffe because its taller.
      There were theropods taller or longer than the T.Rex but it’s considered the largest because of it’s weight.
      But I would agree than the shantungosaurus is the largest terrestrial biped to ever exist, that we know of.

    • @TheThrivingTherapsid
      @TheThrivingTherapsid Рік тому +1

      @@xanshen9011 I too tend to think that the long tails of the dinosaurs is a bit deceptive. Take neovenator, for example, at 7 meters long it's a huge theropod dinosaur from Europe at about 130 m. y. a.. A carcharodontosaur, which makes it a close relative of the really huge giganotosaurus. It wighed about 1000 kg, so about the weight of a large bull. Its tail was almost half of its length!
      There is also an ancient trend of sauropsids generally evolving toward more gracile, larger, lighter bodies. We synapsids, from the pelycosaurs onwards, tended to evolve to more robust, stockier, heavier, bodies, which can be seen in the dinocephalians in the middle Permian, for example.

    • @xanshen9011
      @xanshen9011 Рік тому

      @@TheThrivingTherapsid True, if we discount the sauropods its the mammals than on average dwarf the dinosaurs in terms of weight.

  • @seraphyna6632
    @seraphyna6632 Рік тому +2

    Why does nobody talk about the fact that Magnapaulia just means 'Big Paul'.
    Big Paul? It's official name? Come on, that's awesome.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      Did I mention that in this video? I can't remember, lol. I hope I did cos I do love that fact.

  • @HassanMohamed-jy4kk
    @HassanMohamed-jy4kk Рік тому +2

    Are you going to think of a suggestion and creating a UA-cam Videos all about the Extinct Marine Mammals, Steller’s Sea Cows (Hydrodamalis gigas), also known as the Northern Sea Cows, or the Great Northern Sea Cows on the next Paleofactus coming up next?!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍
    Please Comment Me And Let Me Know Right Away Now!!

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      I actually am. I recently saw a manatee in real life and it inspired me to take your suggestion. It's in the works but will be probably another months wait for that video. Stay tuned!

  • @XForrestX
    @XForrestX Рік тому +1

    You should play Path of Titans you would like it it’s a MMO dinosaur game with your favorite dinosaurs

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      I actually played that recently and really enjoyed it!

  • @Giraffebrawlerfrfr
    @Giraffebrawlerfrfr Рік тому +3

    Epic

  • @wpower7435
    @wpower7435 Рік тому +1

    That's very interesting I sometimes forget how massive some hadrosaurs are African elephants rhinoceros hippos will fill tiny near them just saying

  • @robinator789
    @robinator789 Рік тому +1

    Cool video, but Zuchengtyrannus did not co-exist with the Tarbosaurus, I'm pretty sure. Other than that, it's an awesome video covering the largest non-sauropod dinosaur.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      Thanks for the comment. Ive received a few comments correcting my mistake regarding when Tarbosaurus lived. For some reason I was under the impression that Tarbosaurus lived from 80 or so million years ago. I'm glad you enjoyed the video my friend!

    • @robinator789
      @robinator789 Рік тому

      @@Paleofactus it's ok! Everyone makes mistakes sometimes, especially with paleontology and stuff. And your welcome.

  • @bkjeong4302
    @bkjeong4302 Рік тому +2

    Smaller ornithischian herbivores never outcompeted sauropods (this is a very, VERY outdated idea originating from only looking at the North American fossil record). Sauropods of various sizes thrived in Asia, South America, Africa and Europe even in the presence of hadrosaurs and other ornithischian competitors.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      Yeah, perhaps I should have made it more clear? Even in North America, sauropods eventually 'returned'. After all it's called the sauropod hiatus, not the sauropod extinction. Also I decided to use the word 'outcompete' despite it being technically incorrect. I read a couple papers that discussed the fact that sauropods and hadrosaurs wouldn't have directly competed for the same food sources (based on things like the shape of their teeth etc.) But I wanted to use the word outcompete regardless, to give it more weight, just to demonstrate the advantage that hadrosaurs were given in these areas via the change in environment. Apologies, if it came across as if I was suggesting that sauropods had been globally replaced by hadrosaurs. Thank you for the comment my friend!

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Рік тому +1

      @@Paleofactus
      Yeah “outcompete” was definitely the wrong choice of words, as that at least implies (if not states) that Group X directly wiped out or displaced Group Y, rather than that Group X merely became more successful.

  • @bababoey6532
    @bababoey6532 Рік тому +1

    Shantugosaurus was actually not the largest non sauropod animal ever, being as large as palaeoloxodon antiquus and smaller than palaeoloxodon namadicus

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      Out of curiosity, what stats are you basing that off of. Based on my research, I found that paleoloxodon antiguus averaged at 10 metric tonnes which is quite a bit smaller than the average shantungosaurus. As for p. namadicus, there is the questionable 18 metric tonne estimate but if you're going to count that, then you also have to count the higher estimates for particularly large shantungosaurus specimens which come pretty close to that.

  • @HuckleberryHim
    @HuckleberryHim Рік тому +1

    Great video, entertaining and well done, but a lot of times you seem to present speculation about the past as very certain and concretely known. For example you flatly say that Edmontosaurus and Shantungosaurus ran at such and such speeds, but it should be very clear that this is according to certain studies, not just confidently known. Also, you say that Hadrosaurs were vocal, again in a very matter-of-fact way, as if they are alive today and we know for sure. It is possible or even probable, but definitely not just known for fact.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      I'll give you the vocal one, I definitely should have used the word 'known' lol. But If I remember correctly, I did give a disclaimer regarding the speed of shantungosaurus. Regardless, I've received a fair bit of criticism for my habit of stating speculation as fact so I'll definitely take this on board for future videos. Thanks for the feedback!

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim Рік тому

      @@Paleofactus Ah, I didn't notice that, my bad; was just one example anyway. Sorry if it comes off harshly, just didn't have much else to say because I did really enjoy the video overall. There are lots of paleo channels now but yours still stands out, extremely watchable. Definitely subscribed, keep up the good work mate

  • @mackea1
    @mackea1 Рік тому +2

    Yes indeed. Good points. Like this video
    If you compare the modern predator to prey ratio.
    American Bison are very dangerous as individuals and as a herd. They are also very large.
    Their only natural predators are Bears, Mountain lions, and a pack of Wolves.
    Humans hunted them to almost extinction by using guns.
    Look at Water Buffalo in Africa.
    Or Zebras, and other large herds of herbivores. Very dangerous and only predators are a Pride of Lions. A group of Hyenas. A pack of wild dogs.
    Large vegetarian animals that live in large groups have always been difficult to catch.

  • @evilcrashbandicootthetouho2753

    The fans of this dinosaur think he was a meat eaten animal and he hunting on trex 😅

  • @JMObyx
    @JMObyx Рік тому +2

    Shantungasaurus WAS indeed untouchable.
    But the Tyrannosaurs would've waited until night-fall, when their small eyes could no longer be relied upon, and they'd be able to send the herd running and pick off one that strays.

    • @itsahostiletakeover
      @itsahostiletakeover Рік тому +3

      Most hadrosaurs had large eyes relatively speaking, and they were also supported by sclerotic rings, which when seen in modern birds, indicate good eyesight. The bones of their ears indicate that they also had very good hearing. Ironically, despite lambeosaurines' possessing hollow crests composed of nasal bones, it seems their sense of smell may have been the weakest of these 3 senses as recent research by hadrosaur expert David Evans indicate smaller than expected olfactory lobes of hadrosaur brains.

    • @JMObyx
      @JMObyx Рік тому

      @@itsahostiletakeover Good eyesight doesn't equate to good night vision, would you be able to tell which one is the nocturnal predator if you compare the skulls of an owl and an eagle?

    • @Viperboi-qn5of
      @Viperboi-qn5of Рік тому +3

      ​@@JMObyxi mean larger eyes can catch more light hence why animals eith nightvision tend to have large eyes along with other stuff...
      But yeah he might not have night vision but would not be blind in the night

    • @itsahostiletakeover
      @itsahostiletakeover Рік тому +1

      @@JMObyx Fair point, but how do we KNOW T.rex had superior night vision vs Edmontosaurus as you are claiming? Please direct me to that paper if you know of it as I'd love to read it. The only thing I've read about possible nocturnal hunting with tyrannosaurs actually has more to do with their earbones and said cranial positioning (similar to all birds of prey, not just owls) than with their actual eyesight.

  • @enscroggs
    @enscroggs Рік тому +1

    Baboons are untouchable. These are Old World monkeys that have evolved the means to live primarily as ground-dwelling generalists, an environmental niche that usually belongs to much more formidably armed animals than primates given the apex predators of Africa. Baboons have evolved the weapons, the social organization, and the intelligence to overmatch the African big cats that usually dominate the open savannah. Nevertheless, lions and especially leopards manage to keep baboons on their menus. The big cats accomplish this by preying mostly on juvenile males. Baboon society is characterized by the troop, a formation of related females dominated and protected by a single adult male and a few of his allies who together have exclusive sexual access to the females. The troop is organized into a series of concentric rings with the reproductive females and their infants in the center. Outside of that is the ring of the juvenile females, and beyond that the ring of juvenile males. All the rings of the troop are patrolled by the dominant male and his allies. The non-breeding males and the juvenile males are stationed at the most distant and least defended fringes of the troop, where they function as predator alarms. However, using stealthy ambush tactics lions and leopards pick off an isolated male from time to time. Cretaceous theropods probably dined on the untouchable Shantungosaurus by similar means.

  • @cerovk6000
    @cerovk6000 Рік тому +1

    Aren’t hadrosaurs sauropods? 4 legged herbivore dinosaurs.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      No sauropods are the long-necked fellas that belong to the saurischian clade as opposed to the ornithischian clade.

  • @McChickenIsNotReal
    @McChickenIsNotReal Рік тому +1

    Pov isle players get mad when there Rex can’t go head to head with a shant.☠️

  • @timetraveler1973
    @timetraveler1973 10 місяців тому

    probably more likely that as the large quadrapeds had very vulnerable young the carcharadontisaurs and tyranosaurs were adapting and able to pick off the young quadropeds before they could grow and mate. so the rise of hadrosaurs, ceretopsions becoming actually large, armed, and dangerous, becae the dominant herbivores. which young animal was easier to kill....

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  10 місяців тому

      An interesting theory, I like it!

    • @timetraveler1973
      @timetraveler1973 10 місяців тому

      @@Paleofactus yeah if you look particularly in the t-rex territories. sauropods started dying off till the southern end of rex territory. so i immagine pre-rexes and eventually final evolution of rexes had picked off the young quadrapeds who are thought to have left large piles of eggs and continue migrating leaving the young defenseless. There is also evidence that younger ceratopsians would be in numbers for protection till they got older and could hold their own.

  • @Carnidoom
    @Carnidoom Рік тому +1

    so this was edmontosaurus on roids. before edmon was a thing.

  • @raybiscoejr5684
    @raybiscoejr5684 Рік тому +1

    Did he just used path of titans clip

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      I think it's the isle

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      I've found video games provide pretty good dinosaur footage yknow

  • @Carnidoom
    @Carnidoom Рік тому +1

    cannot find exact time it existed wa sit 85? millon

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      It belonged to the Wangshi group of Shandong which ranges from about 85-75 million years ago

  • @dynamoterror18
    @dynamoterror18 Рік тому

    Tarbosaurus didn't live in the same formation as shantungosaurus, but zhuchengtyrannus did.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +1

      Hi, this was a mistake on my part. I misunderstood the timeframe in which Tarbosaurus lived in China and wrongly entertained the possibility of them co-existing. Thanks for the comment.

  • @JamesComstockCages
    @JamesComstockCages 10 місяців тому +1

    Probably went extinct when the T-Rex ate them all.

    • @wildlifeisthewealthofnatur5457
      @wildlifeisthewealthofnatur5457 2 місяці тому

      Kid, no dinosaur till now is extinct by overhunting by predators. Just for some education, T rex and Shatungosaurus never met each other. And a healthy adult Shatungosaurus would destroy a T rex. Your T rex wasn't an invincible creature you little fangirl.

  • @ronnie5340
    @ronnie5340 11 місяців тому +1

    Comment for algorythm

  • @mauandainuralarconm.9121
    @mauandainuralarconm.9121 Рік тому +1

    Use feet

  • @barrybarlowe5640
    @barrybarlowe5640 Рік тому +1

    Untouchable? That's laughable! Ever see a pride of lions mob Buffalo and elephantd? We don't know how theropods hunted.

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому +3

      Here at paleoFactus we are committed to making our viewers laugh.

    • @fireshadowdark5462
      @fireshadowdark5462 Рік тому +3

      I don't say that what you say is impossible, but mammals generally are smarter than reptillians. (Although dinosaurs are a special kind of reptillians)
      Most theropods probably weren't smart enough to do it as good as lions do. Some might've though. I really don't know enough to say much more.

  • @115_abusalmanchoudhury2
    @115_abusalmanchoudhury2 8 місяців тому

    That's a fat one

  • @greyideasthetheliopurodon4640
    @greyideasthetheliopurodon4640 Рік тому +1

    The sauropod hiatus is actually questionable, there are some sauropod remains that bridge the gap. On top of that, the sauropod hiatus is mainly restricted to north america as there are chinese sauropods during the 90-75 mya.
    www.ivpp.cas.cn/cbw/gjzdwxb/xbwzxz/201507/P020150715560422126364.pdf

    • @Paleofactus
      @Paleofactus  Рік тому

      Yeah, I mean typically the sauropod hiatus does just refer to North America. But there's an undeniable drop in sauropod fossils across the northern hemisphere and seeing as this video focused on late Cretaceous china, I did stretch the term 'sauropod hiatus' a bit further than is typically used. Thanks for the comment!

    • @greyideasthetheliopurodon4640
      @greyideasthetheliopurodon4640 Рік тому

      @@Paleofactus sure, btw I can help you on editing scripts when it comes to research

    • @greyideasthetheliopurodon4640
      @greyideasthetheliopurodon4640 Рік тому

      @@Paleofactus sure, btw I can help you on editing scripts when it comes to research