Thanks so much for posting your DIY project John, you explained everything slowly, clearly and with good clean English! So it was easy to understand what you were talking about and you explained how the suction dredge works. This is the best suction dredge that I've seen, as I've looked all over the internet trying to catch all of the other designs. Tomorrow I'll head on over to Lowes with my shopping list of parts you mentioned and assemble one just like yours. It's gonna be fun to practice on a mortar tub full of water, sand, rocks! Cheers! :)
Hey John...Got it figured out and corrected!This nozzle suck it up fast man!My problem was a hose barb I used to connect the suction hose to the nozzle. It was creating backpressure because it went from 1.5" down to 1.25". That .25" was the problem. I took it out of the system and now the nozzle works fantastic!Like you I used heat to bend my PVC to get a nice even bend on it.My prospecting partner was super impressed when it threw a 1" rock 16" out the end of that 8' hose!Thanks for the help!Terry
I absolutely love both the 12 volt and the manual pump ideas. Making it all portable is one of the biggest things. A container to catch all the classified material while you are going from place to place in the water, and letting all that excess water escape. I can see it being attached to a sluice box. Where I go, you always have to stack up rocks and then balance your sluice and let water flow through it. The water flow by itself to be able to put it anywhere is awesome. Have you ever tried to build a ram pump? it would allow for even more pressure to be used for your idea you got here for the clean water flow side. They always have 1/10 efficiency with water escaping but the thing is the pressure. With a river or lake, you don't have this problem with water flowing back into it. Its the pressure your after. The more pressure, the more material you can process. The system can be build to the size you want just to get a 10th of it. Starting the ram pump is the main thing. But once it is started then it keeps going. Just don't want material going through it other than water. But, since that is the plan then it could work. May even not need the 12 volt battery if it works good enough.
another great video.the thing i noticed was that your pool water level was down at least 6 inches.this means it works out of the water.it should work even better in a stream, as the head pressure should increase as it doesn't have to lift the water up.thanks again
+bill bailey Yep, I agree bill, and it does. I set it upstream so that the head pressure is at its maximum. I'm also contemplating adding more water flow access into the pump itself by opening up the bottom of the pump and covering it with a mesh. Thanks.
Good job. I like the nozzle. Looks to work great. The two I built do not have much lift. I see you also ran yours very near flat also. I built two. One is 3/4 and the other is 1''. Both are made of metal. They did not work as well as I had hoped using a 2000 gph 12 volt pump. I will still use them with my highbanker gas pump. I made a 5 gallon bucket dredge with the pump. Hope it works better. I have not tested it yet. Goal is to put the wife on the bed rock to clean the cracks after I clean off it with the 4'' dredge.
12:28 "Its hard to do this: film with one hand and suck with the other" Best line of the video lmao! Seriously though, that is a great idea and I am going to be building a version of it but with a larger 12v pump than you're using. The sediment I need to dredge is up to 8 feet thick so I really want to get as much suction as possible out of it. I have 3 days now until our trip to prospect and a dredge will up our game significantly! I will try and get video of it for our new channel about our family adventures out prospecting! I'm taking my 9 year old son out for his first time on Tuesday!
Fantastic video!... i plan on making this to suck up material downstream of big boulders as well as using this and a crevice tool...me and my wife can backpack this out in the rocky shallow river...
Very nice buid , i didnot wanna go this way on mine nozzle becouse the pvc loop is in your way when you wanna suck bottom of hole , thats why i made the loop as small as posible so it would not by in the way , you should use the plastic funnel like i did :) , great video thanks
when you put your cone for the jet cut it so it is a 3/8" nozzle and you will get better suction action and also leave your end flow at 1 1/2" and it will work great
hey, good video. went the power jet way where my jet is close to the sluice and works perfectly. so I just drag a 1.5 hose. but never thought of adapter for creavesing. I'd like to create a video like yours someday explaining how I built dredge. anyway. thanks for the ideas.
I made the same thing you did in the spring cause I didn't want a gas power motor dredge and that's all they had when I stared making my 12 vote and its nice to see someone else that thought of it too thanks for showing what you made and I got one from poor mans nozzle made from stainless steal it is better cause It is metal and for 85 bucks I bought one and I am making 4 to sell . mine are all in one unit and they should go fast I hope . ( next year ) oh and good luck getting that yellow stone thanks for your movie
Very nice. One comment/question is do you find that the curved part bumps into things a lot? I would think making it shorter where it comes in to the "sanitary T" section would have less PVC pipe sticking out in front, and make it able to get into smaller spaces.
will the flexible pool hose will slow the flow with all the ridges or is it smooth on the inside? if it's not smooth id maybe pool backwash hose from amazon is $20. for 50 feet and might improve flow rate a bit more.i hope you get a chance to use it again before the cold sets in and take a video maybe.
+bill bailey Bill, I thought of that also. The pool pipe I'm using is fairly smooth on the inside, but any resistance reduction will help. Thanks for your input. Much appreciated.
This great, and I'm going to try making one. I been wanting a high banker but that money I don't have to spend.ni do have the bazooka mini, and a small suction dredge that I don't have to bust my arm pumping would be better.ni too own a gold n sands, but it has been backfiring water at me. Maybe I should drill it a top hole. I do have a lot of PVC pipe, going to try and make one. Thank you.
I'm not certain. I built mine this way because a normal suction nozzle is made with this type of bend. I've also seen others who have built 12volt nozzles without the bend. Thanks
what if you put a longer hose onto the vacuum end where it sucks up the material? will it still work good? it would be easier of you could add a hose to work with
have you tried an aquarium pump like a mag drive? they handle head pressure alot better than those bilge pumps and they are also very light on the amp draw. you would need ac/dc converter but i think it would be better.
How much static suction are you generating? Have you checked with a vacuum gauge? The ones I build are similar, but yet different. Two venturies, up to 12" of vacuum using a similar 12Vt pump. Great job! 👍
What is the purpose of the pvc 90*? Can you just loop the hose/continue the loop with the hose and do without the pvc altogether(until the Y and Venturi input of course )? Just wondering if the solid 90* increases pressure or does some rad magic. We highly enjoy your projects and gain inspiration from your videos. Take care.
Wouldn't it give you better suction if you didn't have your flow necked down to about only 1/2 inch where you used your calk tube end? If you made that a larger volume of flow wouldn't it give you greater suction? Or is my understanding of physics and water flow all upside down?
+Jamie Burke I'm using a 30" sniper in the video. When I bought it they only came with this package. My 36" prospector has the larger, heavier grizzly and material.
+John Jacobs Yeah coolness. I mean the .25in screen mod over the grizzly bars. To keep even more rocks out of the catch. Bleh, ordered mine like 2weeks ago.. still no word!
The gold down here is so fine and flat, so I'll be going to lowls and getting some mesh. The dude I saw it from said that by doing so, he can run longer without cleanout and that the larger rocks won't displace the fines as easy.
Hi John,Very informative video! I am trying to build one but not having much luck...NO SUCTION! I'm really hoping you can point me in the direction I need to go with this...I'm using a 2000 gph pump that has a 1 1/8" outlet. The closest sized hose I can find that has a relatively smooth inner wall is 1 1/4" I.D. It is 8' long and I've reduced it to a 5/16" jet ( I've also tried a 3/8 which threoretically should have been the perfect size) and a 1/2" jet) inside the 1.5" plumbing "Y" as you have done. Of course the outlet of the nozzle is 1.5" and the hose is 8' long also. The set up you show in the video appears to be longer that that and yet has very good suction...I know your pump is larger @ 3750 gph but still I would think I should be getting at least a little suction. I've been after this for almost 3 weeks and I'm lost...any suggestions???
Terry l, look up my vid for where i made it work with 12v 1000gpm pump , its really diferent with every pump , the jet size have to be mached to your pump , the best way i found to do it is to run your pump with the hose u want to use , and test diferent sizes until the streem of water from the jet sprays the farthererst , and its a smoth streep of water , i have my smal pump with barly any presure spray over 10 feet distance with my funnel made jet .
Thanks, I have it figured out. I can throw a 1" rock a full 2' out of an 8' hose now. Only problem Inhave now is getting the material to settle out of the hose to go over the riffle in in the sluice box. To that event I think I will need to make a crash box header I think I will add a short section of garden hose to make a pressure nozzle for flushing out cracks. Then it would work on dry land too!!! This is a killer backpacking set up!
Hello, can you buy such a nozzle somewhere? I would like to build something like this myself, can I ask for more construction details? I don't know if I can handle it. Regards, Syla.
Michael Leeper. For some reason I can't respond to you, so I thought I'd put this in the comments for you to hopefully see. There is a dredging season specified in Idaho...mid July thru mid August. I would imagine that this falls into that category.
The sand was used to control the heat and to keep the pipe integrity while I was heating the pipe and bending it. I removed the sand after the pipe was bent. Thanks
I called Keene from Keene Enginerring. He stated that a 3500 gph would not have much suction with one of his 2 inch keene suction nozzles. Anyone have a different actual result? Im planning on using a 3500 gph 12 volt pump with a 2 inch keene nozzle. Thanks for any help!
Yeah, I agree with them. I have a 3" nozzle and use a Honda 125 gpm high pressure water pump to power it.I use my 3500 gph for my small nozzle in this video and for my small and medium highbankers. They work fine in these applications, but won't be sufficient for 2"-3" suction nozzle.thanks.
Here is my ring in a tub test. A bit more to complete my project but very happy on the performance so far. ua-cam.com/video/4GNFdvgE3ig/v-deo.html Cheers, #SeattleRingHunter
hey john, looks awesome. I think you have a pretty sweet design that Im going to try and replicate in some sort of way. Just wondering if you have tried the de laval nozzle? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Laval_nozzle
That 3700 Rule .... does a lousy job.. It has no PSI.. you need PSI to make a good suction nozzell. Try your house pressure garden hose at 80 psi, you will see, oh and mostly you would have a head pressure problem too at any depth
Thanks so much for posting your DIY project John, you explained everything slowly, clearly and with good clean English! So it was easy to understand what you were talking about and you explained how the suction dredge works. This is the best suction dredge that I've seen, as I've looked all over the internet trying to catch all of the other designs. Tomorrow I'll head on over to Lowes with my shopping list of parts you mentioned and assemble one just like yours. It's gonna be fun to practice on a mortar tub full of water, sand, rocks! Cheers! :)
Hey John...Got it figured out and corrected!This nozzle suck it up fast man!My problem was a hose barb I used to connect the suction hose to the nozzle. It was creating backpressure because it went from 1.5" down to 1.25". That .25" was the problem. I took it out of the system and now the nozzle works fantastic!Like you I used heat to bend my PVC to get a nice even bend on it.My prospecting partner was super impressed when it threw a 1" rock 16" out the end of that 8' hose!Thanks for the help!Terry
Glad you got it worked out. I hope you suck up a lot of gold with it!
Great build ! And great video ! I love building stuff like this. Thanks for sharing !
+Brick Au Thank Brick...much appreciated.
Interesting build! Congrats!
I absolutely love both the 12 volt and the manual pump ideas. Making it all portable is one of the biggest things. A container to catch all the classified material while you are going from place to place in the water, and letting all that excess water escape. I can see it being attached to a sluice box. Where I go, you always have to stack up rocks and then balance your sluice and let water flow through it. The water flow by itself to be able to put it anywhere is awesome. Have you ever tried to build a ram pump? it would allow for even more pressure to be used for your idea you got here for the clean water flow side. They always have 1/10 efficiency with water escaping but the thing is the pressure. With a river or lake, you don't have this problem with water flowing back into it. Its the pressure your after. The more pressure, the more material you can process. The system can be build to the size you want just to get a 10th of it. Starting the ram pump is the main thing. But once it is started then it keeps going. Just don't want material going through it other than water. But, since that is the plan then it could work. May even not need the 12 volt battery if it works good enough.
I watched this a long time ago (on my TV) - I am now able to comment (on my PC and now have a channel)... thank you for sharing.
Now that's using your brain, great vid, and nice rig! Thanks for sharing!
grate video John ! i have learned a lot ! thanks !
+tod cooper Thanks Tod. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Great video!
i am very happy to see this tec....Thanks
Well done!
wow john, very nice build and thanks for sharing your idea.
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+ron lewis Thanks Ron. I hope all is well with you and yours.
another great video.the thing i noticed was that your pool water level was down at least 6 inches.this means it works out of the water.it should work even better in a stream, as the head pressure should increase as it doesn't have to lift the water up.thanks again
+bill bailey Yep, I agree bill, and it does. I set it upstream so that the head pressure is at its maximum. I'm also contemplating adding more water flow access into the pump itself by opening up the bottom of the pump and covering it with a mesh. Thanks.
Good job. I like the nozzle. Looks to work great. The two I built do not have much lift. I see you also ran yours very near flat also. I built two. One is 3/4 and the other is 1''. Both are made of metal. They did not work as well as I had hoped using a 2000 gph 12 volt pump. I will still use them with my highbanker gas pump. I made a 5 gallon bucket dredge with the pump. Hope it works better. I have not tested it yet. Goal is to put the wife on the bed rock to clean the cracks after I clean off it with the 4'' dredge.
+Basil Key Thank Basil. I'd love to see some footage of yours in action. Hope you're finding lots of that pretty yellow metal.
You can also neck down the nozzle to a pex tube for really small cracks.
It would be nice to have a parts list for the 12v dredge and hand dredge.
12:28 "Its hard to do this: film with one hand and suck with the other" Best line of the video lmao!
Seriously though, that is a great idea and I am going to be building a version of it but with a larger 12v pump than you're using. The sediment I need to dredge is up to 8 feet thick so I really want to get as much suction as possible out of it. I have 3 days now until our trip to prospect and a dredge will up our game significantly! I will try and get video of it for our new channel about our family adventures out prospecting! I'm taking my 9 year old son out for his first time on Tuesday!
Fantastic video!... i plan on making this to suck up material downstream of big boulders as well as using this and a crevice tool...me and my wife can backpack this out in the rocky shallow river...
Very nice buid , i didnot wanna go this way on mine nozzle becouse the pvc loop is in your way when you wanna suck bottom of hole , thats why i made the loop as small as posible so it would not by in the way , you should use the plastic funnel like i did :) , great video thanks
How do you fluidize the bed in your bazooka when you use this as a dredge?
nice and quiet.. cool vid
when you put your cone for the jet cut it so it is a 3/8" nozzle and you will get better suction action and also leave your end flow at 1 1/2" and it will work great
I have Ben thinking of combining a high GPH pump with a high pressure diaphragm pump or 2.
To try to increase pressure so I can run longer hoses.
hey, good video. went the power jet way where my jet is close to the sluice and works perfectly. so I just drag a 1.5 hose. but never thought of adapter for creavesing. I'd like to create a video like yours someday explaining how I built dredge. anyway. thanks for the ideas.
That's sooooooo funny that glue nozzle is the exact same thing I used for my tip before I even watched this video!
I made the same thing you did in the spring cause I didn't want a gas power motor dredge and that's all they had when I stared making my 12 vote and its nice to see someone else that thought of it too thanks for showing what you made and I got one from poor mans nozzle made from stainless steal it is better cause It is metal and for 85 bucks I bought one and I am making 4 to sell . mine are all in one unit and they should go fast I hope . ( next year ) oh and good luck getting that yellow stone thanks for your movie
Thanks for the vid!
That is awesome..
Awesome!
Awesome 👌
You can heat the sand before you fill the pipe, makes bending a lot easier sometimes. I heat the sand in a pot stirring as it heats.
Nice idea - thank you!
What gph pumps needed? Fluid bed sluice is a awesome idea.... catches well enough on chunky and fines?
Very nice. One comment/question is do you find that the curved part bumps into things a lot? I would think making it shorter where it comes in to the "sanitary T" section would have less PVC pipe sticking out in front, and make it able to get into smaller spaces.
+John Foster Yeah, I made another edition of it and shortened the sweep. Works great!
will the flexible pool hose will slow the flow with all the ridges or is it smooth on the inside? if it's not smooth id maybe pool backwash hose from amazon is $20. for 50 feet and might improve flow rate a bit more.i hope you get a chance to use it again before the cold sets in and take a video maybe.
+bill bailey
Bill, I thought of that also. The pool pipe I'm using is fairly smooth on the inside, but any resistance reduction will help. Thanks for your input. Much appreciated.
What about using 2 pumps? Like 2x2000gph rule pumps?
Can this be done with an air compressor or does it work better with a water pump?
This great, and I'm going to try making one. I been wanting a high banker but that money I don't have to spend.ni do have the bazooka mini, and a small suction dredge that I don't have to bust my arm pumping would be better.ni too own a gold n sands, but it has been backfiring water at me. Maybe I should drill it a top hole. I do have a lot of PVC pipe, going to try and make one. Thank you.
Hi John, great video. Is it important to bend the pipe? does it increase pressure?. regards Bill
I'm not certain. I built mine this way because a normal suction nozzle is made with this type of bend. I've also seen others who have built 12volt nozzles without the bend. Thanks
Not too bad at all!
what if you put a longer hose onto the vacuum end where it sucks up the material?
will it still work good?
it would be easier of you could add a hose to work with
How many watts of power does the pump have?
John, What are the laws for using this in Idaho-Lucile/Big river area?
Hey great job with your custom dredge! I'm looking to do one electric too. How many gph is the pump you used? I like how you did the nozzle.
+TheCaribbeanDigger I use a 3700gph Rule pump.
+John Jacobs Sorry I fast forwarded the video and just missed the pump's specs at the begining.LOL! Thanks for the info again!
have you tried an aquarium pump like a mag drive? they handle head pressure alot better than those bilge pumps and they are also very light on the amp draw. you would need ac/dc converter but i think it would be better.
Thanks for the idea. Much appreciated.
Any improvements or modifications.
HI there, how did the battery suction dredge work in the end?
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How much static suction are you generating? Have you checked with a vacuum gauge? The ones I build are similar, but yet different. Two venturies, up to 12" of vacuum using a similar 12Vt pump.
Great job! 👍
Hey that worked pretty dam good im gonna build one off ur idea if you dont mind
What is the purpose of the pvc 90*? Can you just loop the hose/continue the loop with the hose and do without the pvc altogether(until the Y and Venturi input of course )? Just wondering if the solid 90* increases pressure or does some rad magic.
We highly enjoy your projects and gain inspiration from your videos.
Take care.
Yes u can just loop house , thats what i did and it works fine
Quantas horas a bateria suporta?
How much does it cost?
Wouldn't it give you better suction if you didn't have your flow necked down to about only 1/2 inch where you used your calk tube end? If you made that a larger volume of flow wouldn't it give you greater suction? Or is my understanding of physics and water flow all upside down?
It needs to by reduced to make a jet , i have video where i explain it
Nice man. Just ordered the 36in bazooka for the owhyees. I see you didn't do the 1/4in mod for the BGT. What's your thought on that?
+Jamie Burke I'm using a 30" sniper in the video. When I bought it they only came with this package. My 36" prospector has the larger, heavier grizzly and material.
+John Jacobs Yeah coolness. I mean the .25in screen mod over the grizzly bars. To keep even more rocks out of the catch. Bleh, ordered mine like 2weeks ago.. still no word!
+Jamie Burke I wasn't aware of that mod...I'll check it out. Thanks!
The gold down here is so fine and flat, so I'll be going to lowls and getting some mesh. The dude I saw it from said that by doing so, he can run longer without cleanout and that the larger rocks won't displace the fines as easy.
Hi John,Very informative video! I am trying to build one but not having much luck...NO SUCTION! I'm really hoping you can point me in the direction I need to go with this...I'm using a 2000 gph pump that has a 1 1/8" outlet. The closest sized hose I can find that has a relatively smooth inner wall is 1 1/4" I.D. It is 8' long and I've reduced it to a 5/16" jet ( I've also tried a 3/8 which threoretically should have been the perfect size) and a 1/2" jet) inside the 1.5" plumbing "Y" as you have done. Of course the outlet of the nozzle is 1.5" and the hose is 8' long also. The set up you show in the video appears to be longer that that and yet has very good suction...I know your pump is larger @ 3750 gph but still I would think I should be getting at least a little suction. I've been after this for almost 3 weeks and I'm lost...any suggestions???
Terry l, look up my vid for where i made it work with 12v 1000gpm pump , its really diferent with every pump , the jet size have to be mached to your pump , the best way i found to do it is to run your pump with the hose u want to use , and test diferent sizes until the streem of water from the jet sprays the farthererst , and its a smoth streep of water , i have my smal pump with barly any presure spray over 10 feet distance with my funnel made jet .
Thanks, I have it figured out. I can throw a 1" rock a full 2' out of an 8' hose now.
Only problem Inhave now is getting the material to settle out of the hose to go over the riffle in in the sluice box.
To that event I think I will need to make a crash box header
I think I will add a short section of garden hose to make a pressure nozzle for flushing out cracks. Then it would work on dry land too!!!
This is a killer backpacking set up!
Hey, can you tell me why the water returns inside?
Hello, can you buy such a nozzle somewhere? I would like to build something like this myself, can I ask for more construction details? I don't know if I can handle it. Regards, Syla.
1:30 I was wondering how you bent the pvc pipe and I had in my head fill it with sand and you said you filled it with sand 🔥💯💪🏻👊👍
Yeah. I filled it with sand and heated the pvc with a heat gun...then I slowly bent it into the form I needed. Hope this helps.
what kind of pump are you using?
+Kurt Boczarski A 3700 gph Rule 12v pump
Michael Leeper. For some reason I can't respond to you, so I thought I'd put this in the comments for you to hopefully see. There is a dredging season specified in Idaho...mid July thru mid August. I would imagine that this falls into that category.
Hi John, why do you even bend the pvc pipe in the first place? Why not just go directly from the Rule pump into the black piece?
I’m not a a physicist, but I think the water actually speeds up while it goes through the reducer and bend
You have battery powered high pressure washers up to 22 bar now.
I don't understand what the bend does for the operation.
Why do you put sand? Doesnt that block the flow?
The sand was used to control the heat and to keep the pipe integrity while I was heating the pipe and bending it. I removed the sand after the pipe was bent. Thanks
hey mate what do you call that blue hose ?
Its 1-1/2” pool hose.
I called Keene from Keene Enginerring. He stated that a 3500 gph would not have much suction with one of his 2 inch keene suction nozzles.
Anyone have a different actual result? Im planning on using a 3500 gph 12 volt pump with a 2 inch keene nozzle. Thanks for any help!
Yeah, I agree with them. I have a 3" nozzle and use a Honda 125 gpm high pressure water pump to power it.I use my 3500 gph for my small nozzle in this video and for my small and medium highbankers. They work fine in these applications, but won't be sufficient for 2"-3" suction nozzle.thanks.
i tried to give you a thumbs up and i had to push the thumbs sign 10 to 15 times before it stayed blue but the number did not change
I would remove that 180° turn. The more 90s you have the more chances of getting stuffed up
Here is the 5 Gallon bucket Dredge. Just got it to this point today.ua-cam.com/video/dYq4lpj5rEc/v-deo.html
Here is my ring in a tub test. A bit more to complete my project but very happy on the performance so far. ua-cam.com/video/4GNFdvgE3ig/v-deo.html Cheers, #SeattleRingHunter
John. Are you still replying to this video??
hey john, looks awesome. I think you have a pretty sweet design that Im going to try and replicate in some sort of way. Just wondering if you have tried the de laval nozzle?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Laval_nozzle
No, I've never tried that nozzle. Thanks
Using hot sand is better
That 3700 Rule .... does a lousy job.. It has no PSI.. you need PSI to make a good suction nozzell. Try your house pressure garden hose at 80 psi, you will see, oh and mostly you would have a head pressure problem too at any depth
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